jan seme li wile e mi
#โโญ๐ sona Kekan San
tropic glacier
vocal trellis
it's incredibly cool too because there's a bunch of stuff i just could not have done without the help of the community
the thumbnails were a volunteer addition by jan Keten (nyxoom) (i pay for them now because it's worth it)
jan Sa volunteered to do the subtitles and they're fantastic
the idea to do recorded VR stuff was because of fuopy's awesome work building the TPVR community
and from that too, he encouraged me super hard to teach and gave me a space to do it routinely so i got better
the map i record on is from jan Iseja, made for suno pi toki pona, and the chalkboard became an iconic part of my lesson series
the site i put my written lessons on was originally set up like jan Lentan's static site generator
the starman avatar i lucked into but i fuopy recommended me somebody to commission it from and it came out Perfectly
the lesson content has been refined time and time again by conversations, both tpt and lon nasin, with kili, jan Ke Tami, jan Tepo, jan Lakuse, jan Olipija, and so many others i couldn't possibly recall all of
also the help from jan Ke Tami and jan Kasape to help identify errors in these lessons, cause they're not always perfect!
not to mention those spreading these lessons around and getting more people to look at them!
it's a lot more than just high production value
i recognize my contribution in the editing, my voice, and the time and effort i've put in to get things right
that is my avatar up in the video at the end of the day :P
but i cannot possibly mean this more when i say this work is only here because of this phenomenal community encouraging me and helping me to do even better work
and i could not have done it alone.
exotic shuttle
ok that reminds me, please end off your video series with a "special thanks" section
vocal trellis
that is 100% the plan already!
exotic shuttle
olin a
tropic glacier
the real learn toki pona series was the friends we made along the way
solar valley
I'd like to ask something about your latest video on anu
Usually, anu seme is used to mark a question: sina pali anu seme - do you work? / are you working?
If I'd say: sina pali anu lape -- does this only read: you are working or sleeping
or could this also be understood as a question: are you working or sleeping?
or do I still need to add anu seme: sina pali anu lape anu seme?
Seems that anu seme adds another option to answer. While sina pali anu lape? could give only two options to answer.
vocal trellis
I'd like to ask something about your latest video on *anu*
Usually, *anu seme* i...
Generally, no, this is not considered a question on its own, it's just a statement: "You work or sleep."
There are some speakers who do form questions like this, and so they rely on inflection or punctuation to convey that the statement is a question, but that is fairly rare to my knowledge.
In addition to that, in my experience, these speakers are newer to the language and not used to forming a question grammatically in Toki Pona.
You will see multiple anu used in addition to anu seme to form a set of options to a question, like so:
sina pali anu lape anu seme?
This is also relatively infrequent, but it's valid in the way anu is commonly used and in forming a question grammatically with anu seme.
The trouble with anu is that answering any questions regarding its use requires recognizing that there's almost no consensus on how it works, a a
But, and I'll get to this in a future lesson, there are generally 3 ways question forming works:
verb doubling with ala, sina pali ala pali? forms a yes or no question
ending a statement with anu seme (or technically placing it at the end of any part of speech, but by far most commonly at the end of the sentence entirely), sina pali anu seme? forms a yes or no question as well
and putting seme in place of any content word, sina pali seme? forms an open ended question where the respondent fills in the blank!
solar valley
I am familiar with this concept. It's totally fine.
I personally have the feeling that anu seme adds the answer option "or what?" making it an "open question":
Do you work or what? ... so the answer could be: I eat
do you work or sleep or what? ... the answer could still be: I eat
I was wondering if there is a way to give a certain set of answer options and not adding one open
Just experimenting:
sina pali anu lape la, seme li lon? - you work or sleep: what is true?
vocal trellis
I am familiar with this concept. It's totally fine.
I personally have the feelin...
Ye, that's true as well! An anu seme question could be open ended as well. I call it a yes or no question because it is generally answered in the same way as an x ala x question.
I've heard some speakers say it conveys expectation in the answer, as if the statement part of the question is expected to be true. Personally, I most often use it to ask questions in larger, more complex sentences :P
If you wanna get even more technical, any question could be open ended; the x ala x questions don't necessarily have to refer to the doubled verb as the affirmed information, it just is grammatically! "sina pali ala pali e tomo poka?" "ala. mi pali e tomo sin." The answerer can provide any information they want about the question.
And, I would interpret your suggested question as "When you work or sleep, what's happening?"
I definitely encourage exploration, bc there's absolutely room for toki pona to grow and change over time
(It would be legit cool to come back 5+ years from now and find my lessons totally outdated)
But always be wary of others interpretations! a a
If you wanted a question with an explicit set of options more than a binary as in x ala x, you might wanna try this:
kili suwi en kili pi suwi nasa en pan la sina moku e seme?
solar valley
Thank you for this long answer. I see the point.
I think there is even more possible with spoken TP. It makes a big difference if you just read a sentence or if you would sit in front of me. Me staring sternly at you: sina pali anu lape ... anu seme? you might have the feeling that there is definitely no third option a a a
I like your last example how to probably give a set of options. helps a lot!
vocal trellis
Oh yeah, spoken TP tends to be much more fluid with the grammar than written TP. Which is fun! I don't have any strong examples off hand, but that's how I've felt when speaking tp anyway :P
Otherwise, glad to help :)
sullen raft
idk if i agree
like people might be more fluid in general but not grammatically
like nothing in the syntax changes
as for anu for questions itโs pu to do โmi wile sona e ni: sina moku e kili anu pan?โ and the like, so feel free to use that construction
on its own a lot of people on this server dislike using it on its own but eh itโs not terrible and as jan Kekan San mentioned, because thereโs no consensus on how anu is used you like can use it like that and if people complained after you decided to use it with all of the nuance youโve just learned about, idk it wouldnโt be their place to do so
fwiw i have seen it used a lot
vocal trellis
like people might be more fluid in general but not grammatically
mi kute e ijo ante ๐คท
mi en jan ante li toki la mi kute e ijo lili mute ante
jan li ken weka e nimi open, li ken pana ala e nimi pi, li ken pana e sona wile kepeken nasin nasa tawa nimi seme, li ante a :P
kin la mi taso ala li toki e ni, waso Keli en jan Ke Tami li toki e ijo sama: toki pona uta li ante lili tawa toki pona sitelen, ante pi toki pona li ken kama tan toki uta a
vocal trellis
as for anu for questions itโs pu to do โmi wile sona e ni: sina moku e kili anu ...
ni li pu ala pu? pu la pilin mi li ni: jan li toki mute e ken pi nasin ni pi wile sona
taso ona li toki lili e ni, li toki e ni sama mi lon pana sona: nasin anu ni pi wile sona li lon, taso jan pi mute lili li kepeken
ona li pu la o pana e nanpa lipu, mi wile lukin a
solar valley
I guess it's the same as with natural languages... there will always exist some variations and maybe there are more than one valid interpretation. I will find out the more I will interact with TP. Thank you both for answering to my question!
I wish there were any people in my local area I could talk to face to face in TP. I keep encouraging my friends to learn TP ๐
ashen kelp
wile sona nanpa wan li ni: ale li pona anu ike?
ni li pu
vocal trellis
> wile sona nanpa wan li ni: ale li pona anu ike?
ni li pu
taso, ni li lon lipu nanpa seme?
lucid jackal
taso, ni li lon lipu nanpa seme?
80
vocal trellis
80
aaa wawa, sina pona
wile sona SIN li kama
ni li pu la jan li toki ala e ken pi nasin ni tan seme a????
vocal trellis
nasa
lucid jackal
pu isn't gospel, it's not a lipu sewi, and it doesn't reflect the usage of anyone but Sonja
still, i also think it's weird when people don't like using anu for questions
but anu is itself weird, so i can't blame em a a a
solar valley
hm now, I am really curious... What's written on page 80?
lucid jackal
a bunch of famous quotes
vocal trellis
> wile sona nanpa wan li ni: ale li pona anu ike?
ni li pu
@solar valley ni
ni en ijo ante, a a
vocal trellis
still, i also think it's weird when people don't like using anu for questions
to be clear, i don't think it's weird!
for myself, i genuinely like and prefer when a given sentence is unambiguously a question or not by the grammar alone, without needing inflection/punctuation/further questioning to inform that. it's a really fun property of toki pona and lets me be more free with my inflection and vocal expression, as well as my punctuation. i've used ? before to indicate a statement i am uncertain about but not asking a question about either, for example. there are statements i've made that, if interpreted as a question, become not at all what i intended.
this is also why i avoid statements like: mi ken ala ken e ni -> i am unable to allow this; altho these don't really come up anyway bc they're silly lol
but that's why i do it!
as i noted before tho, i don't see/hear a lot of speakers use anu alone to form questions, and most of those speakers are newer to the language as well
it'll get a mention in my questions video in any case
rocky cypress
hm now, I am really curious... What's written on page 80?
It's the "famous quotations"
... anupu
calm zincBOT
#9583 ๐ฃ In "Toki Pona: The Language of Good", the word "anu" is defined, but not explained, outside of its role in "anu seme" type ... questions.
"anu" remains a debatable subject when it comes to it being able to form questions on its own, without the "seme" or the "[predicate] ala [predicate]" format. pu only gives 2 sentences containing "anu" without "anu seme":
mi kute e mije anu meli.
(answers to Lesson 7) as a translation to: "I hear a man or a woman."
wile sona nanpa wan li ni: ale li pona anu ike?
(famous quotations) as a translation to the quote attributed to Albert Einstein: "The most fundamental question we can ever ask ourselves is whether or not the universe we live in is friendly or hostile"
Notes:
- While the first use of "anu" is presented as a statement, "anu" might still act as a kind of choice, and could in some way still work as a disguised question
- While the second use of "anu" is presented as a question, it's not clear if "anu" is responsible - or solely responsible - for forming a question. The "wile sona" might do some heavy lifting
- The second use of "anu" is also not a question in the English sentence (although a question format arises out of the reformulation in toki pona)
rocky cypress
(note: this is something I wrote up, and might not be the best - it was meant as a draft that I never managed to improve on)
lucid jackal
to be clear, i don't think it's weird!
for myself, i genuinely like and prefer w...
hey i didnt call you out specifically :p
but yea i getcha
vocal trellis
that's a very thorough explanation of the quote!
it addresses one of the thoughts i had when i read the original statement, that it wasn't even stated as a question in the original english, so it may not have been intended as a question in the toki pona
who knows, a a
lucid jackal
hey i didnt call you out specifically :p
but yea i getcha
i try to not think too hard about the esoteric intricacies of grammar, and instead use what feels intuitive and makes logical sense to me, even if it's "technically incorrect" (like using anu for questions)
vocal trellis
i try to not think too hard about the esoteric intricacies of grammar, and inste...
this is something that i actively avoid to some extent, because i don't wanna just speak english with a coat of paint
i try to avoid things in my intuition because that intuition is often informed by english, a a
lucid jackal
well yea, i try to do what feels intuitive in toki pona, and i'm sure it's impacted by other languages i speak to some extent
but stuff like "anu can't form a question on its own" feels kinda pointless
because even if it doesnt, it does show the speaker being uncertain
which the listener can then fill out and explain, even if it isnt technically a question
rocky cypress
anu only covers rhethorical questions /thought out of nowhere that isn't meant to be serious in any way
lucid jackal
same with the "wile sona"
if i say, "mi wile sona e ni: sina pona anu ike." it's not technically a question, but it shows uncertainty and is a prime opportunity for the listener to hop in and elaborate
vocal trellis
same with the "wile sona"
if i say, "mi wile sona e ni: sina pona anu ike." it's...
mm partial disagree, you're ignoring some uses of anu
ex., soweli ni li ken moku e kasi anu kala, this animal can eat plants or fish
but like, ye, otherwise sure
(also, this is an example out of my lesson and it's notable bc it's a valid use of anu but also identical to using e)
solar valley
Well, as Einstein was German, the quote goes like this:
Unsere wichtigste Entscheidung ist, ob wir das Universum fรผr einen freundlichen oder feindlichen Ort halten.
"Our most important decision is, whether we consider the universe a friendly or a hostile place."
Not a real question here
lucid jackal
yea, but it got rephased as a question in toki pona
the primary want-to-know is this: everything is good or bad?
i'm sure you could translate it without making it a question, but that's not the route that jan Sonja went with
sullen raft
aaa wawa, sina pona
wile sona SIN li kama
ni li pu la jan li toki ala e ken pi n...
mi toki kepeken nasin ni lon tenpo
solar valley
yea, but it got rephased as a question in toki pona
the primary want-to-know is ...
is the quote an explicit example for how to form a question? Or is it... just a quote?
sullen raft
does it matter too much
lucid jackal
it is a quote translated into toki pona, which happens to have a question due to the rephrasing
it's not explicitly used as an example of how to make questions
sullen raft
if you can express something that is a question in english a certain way in toki pona to fill the same role then why not label it as a question
solar valley
it's not explicitly used as an example of how to make questions
okay, thank you
maybe it's not appropriate for me to comment too much about it, as I've learnt TP just half a year ago...
but I deal with such problems in my real world job, so I am quite interested into it.
Thanks everyone for the discussion and their input. I think I am able to come to my own conclusion now ๐
vocal trellis
maybe it's not appropriate for me to comment too much about it, as I've learnt T...
Be confident in yourself!
A lot of speakers here started exploring and sharing their understanding of the language before they were fully confident in the language.
The worst that happens is you're moving against the crowd, and that's not a big deal- nobody's gonna bite your head off about it! We all just wanna have fun with the language and do the best we can, a a
In the meantime, I am about to record my next lesson, the second to last!
lucid jackal
aw
good luck!
what're your plans for when you're done with the series?
are you just gonna rest for a bit?
rocky cypress
modding two times half a dozen servers will keep the star man busy
lucid jackal
yea exactly haha, Kekan San does a lot in the community already
fell onto the scene and took the spotlight within a few months
vocal trellis
two plans!
- a corrections and thank you video; unsure yet if this will be one or two videos
- a short form explanation of toki pona's grammar to be used as a reference, to go alongside the series. max runtime 20 minutes. think kili's nasin toki but video. I might also upload this as a set of shorts, in addition to one long form video.
after that, the plans are more nebulous, but I wanna do more proper TPT content (and I have a few ideas for what!)
I'd like to make video essays, lmao
if I get around to that, the plan is to release them in both English and Toki Pona, with the English some period of time later. Same editing otherwise
lucid jackal
oh yea! you've mentioned essays
more tpt content will be great too! too much stuff about tp, too little in tp
i might get into that and make some stuff too, depending on how motivation treats me
vocal trellis
modding two times half a dozen servers will keep the star man busy
it's less work than it seems, a a
a lot of days pass where there's no mod action for me to do
but, i am only a mod in half a dozen communities, and of those ma pona takes the most time and mtpvr takes the second most
i am trying to figure out how to delegate stuff, a a
but a lot of it i legit just enjoy doing; tptpt is an example of this, it's so cool to see the server speaking toki pona fully
vocal trellis
tenpo pi toki pona taso (but i mash all the letters into a useless acronym becasue it's a funny acronym)
lucid jackal
aw damn
sullen raft
itโs double tonguing but switch out the the velum for the labias
vocal trellis
it took me several seconds to realize you were referring to the physical motion of pronouncing 'tptpt'
cinder tiger
i was actually thinking about the "does anu form a question or not" while captioning the video
and i think it doesn't matter to some extent
bc what you say can be a statement
but then the listener might clarify the statement you made
but ofc thats not really garunteed
lucid jackal
I feel exactly the same
And arguing that it can't form a question cause of this and that feels pedantic
Cause even if it can't, it still works in context and allows the listener to elaborate
cinder tiger
im not saying its a question
it's just like... a unsure statement
like maybe there's some functional overlap
but it's not a true question
lucid jackal
Eh I guess
But yea I don't see if it really matters if it's technically a question or not since they play the same-ish role in context
One is asking for an answer and one is uncertain allowing an answer
vocal trellis
that was a lot of speaking eeeee
wondering if i should break it into two lessons
i think in editing it'll be more cohesive, but wow that was a lot a a
solar valley
Well, this was exactly my conclusion.
(I don't need to discuss it, I just want to share my thoughts)
I'd call it explicit questions and implicit questions.
Explicit questions are formed by grammar: X ala X or anu seme
Implicit questions are formed by context. A statement is uncertain and provokes some answer.
ale li pona anu ike. ni li wile sona nanpa wan.
In this example there is an uncertain statement: ale li pona anu ike. The listening person knows by context that it is open for an optional answer, but not mandatory. Same goes with mi wile sona e ni: ale li pona anu ike - two statements: the first about me wanting to know and the second about the uncertain, provoked by anu
ale li pona anu ike anu seme?
Now, it is an explicit question by grammar. The listening person knows by grammar that an answer is required.
As always (not only) in TP, it's about context. Context may rise an implicit question, no explicit form needed.
Well, just my personal thoughts.
karmic venture
i don't like question marking with anu because it relies on tone of voice or written question marks
so you can't express it in sitelen pona
also i've heard it's harder for people whose first language is tonal, to pick up on question marking with tone of voice
i can't evaluate that claim
exotic shuttle
yeah "tone=question" is a very anglocentric thing
like I forget which but I believe I heard that some languages do downward tone to mark questions
rather than english's rising tone
sullen raft
like I forget which but I believe I heard that some languages do *downward* tone...
some dialects of english do downward tone to mark a question
drowsy aspen
really? (downwards tone)
sullen raft
really? (downwards tone)
that oneโs also a rhetorical question though
vocal trellis
hmm the downward tone I'm imaging is all rhetorical
like superintendent chalmers saying it
drowsy aspen
really? (squiggly tone, but not in a mocking way, sort of like a voice crack, but smoother)
ashen kelp
i don't like question marking with anu because it relies on tone of voice or wri...
mi la nimi anu li lon wile sona taso
sullen raft
hmm the downward tone I'm imaging is all rhetorical
i remember noticing and analyzing this when i went to new zealand when i was 8
โoh this person iโm talking to has the reverse intonation patters that i have interestingโ as a fucking second grader
also uptone is a thing in the united states and it doesnโt mark a question
karmic venture
mi la nimi anu li lon wile sona *taso*
a nasin wawa
ken la mi o ni
tropic glacier
hi
cinder tiger
my guess is this is like an example of laso idk
umbral hull
i bet its a single green square from a wordle
my prediction is: ur going to show off how u managed to beat a wordle in one try and thats the entire video
vocal trellis
kule li suli ala, taso kule li lon sitelen kama, a a
vocal trellis
it is actually SEVERAL pixels
the spoiler image i took is that size originally
it is a cutting from a larger image, ofc
pale crow
an entire 2448 pixels
tropic glacier
yes
that is MANY pixels
ale ale ale ale ale ale ale ale ale ale ale ale ale ale ale ale ale ale ale ale ale ale ale ale mute mute luka wan tu
arch linux
vocal trellis
true
cinder tiger
hey everyone, just noticed that the captions for lesson 9 have been unpublished for some reason, i just republished them so they should be good now
vocal trellis
wack, i wonder what happened? i don't think I've fiddled with the settings any
thank you!
cinder tiger
i think it was that i changed something but assumed that it would at least keep the original version published
cuz the nonmusic version also had the same problem and i made an edit on both
vocal trellis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDwKqOy4_7Q
@stone jetty li WAWA MUTE A
ona li toki Epanja e sitelen mi nanpa wan a!
tropic glacier
ni li pona mute
neon junco
a pona!
vocal trellis
in fond remembrance of the 14 of those who distracted me during this process who i have a permanent burning need for vengeance against
vocal trellis
jan kekan san swear in a future video real working 2023
woah i have a reaction prepared for exactly this moment
anyway it is meant to look like that for chaotic reasons 
sullen raft
is this a funny video
vocal trellis
yes!
sullen raft
yay!
vocal trellis
it is objectively funny in fact, i have solved comedy
sullen raft
hmmmm your last one was lost on me and everyone i showed it to
vocal trellis
the last one was p much just an iteration on a meme that had very little to do with toki pona
sullen raft
i have high hopes though the bar is high
heavy gulchBOT
You somehow sound nothing like I thought you would and exactly how I thought you would. Radio voice moment
mun te Kekan San toโโฉ๏ธ
Guess I gotta watch ur videos now sigh /burdened /reluctant /
vocal trellis
You somehow sound nothing like I thought you would and exactly how I thought you...
ehehehe, thanks @ this
you don't have to watch my videos but i do put a lot of effort into my voice :P
heavy gulchBOT
mi wile ๐ซ
vocal trellis
ehehehe
ok take some short funny then
this is my favorite i've made tbh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU9PEZ9TARs
heavy gulchBOT
HBSBDBFHHSBDNFBBDBDB
sullen raft
-remindme 8h @vocal trellis :)
floral quiverBOT
Set a reminder in 8 hours from now (<t:1679875161:f>)
View reminders with the Reminders command
vocal trellis
reorganized chaos ball (with added spoiler!)
lucid jackal
||angry crown people yelling guards noise tension riot ambience|| ๐๏ธ
vocal trellis
one hour
tropic glacier
pali kalama
I recognize that color green from anywhere
floral quiverBOT
Reminder for @sullen raft
sullen raft
@vocal trellis >:(
vocal trellis
<@497549183847497739> >:(
mi nasa e lawa la sina awen ala awen wile?
(nasa li tan ala WILE li tan ni: jan sona li pana e ijo ni tawa mi: ona li weka e pilin ike tan monsi lawa)
tropic glacier
bruh te and to
vocal trellis
tan musi
vocal trellis
*kepeken e*
sullen raft
gonna use kepeken e from now on
tropic glacier
fucking is a very complicated word
if you put it anywhere else in that sentence, you get a weird sentence
if you take it out, you get a normal sentence
cinder tiger
its fine at the beginning
fucking look what you did
drowsy aspen
if you put it anywhere else in that sentence, you get a weird sentence
yeah cus any other place isn't proper grammar-
except at the beginning but even that is iffy
tropic glacier
yeah cus any other place isn't proper grammar-
except at the beginning but even ...
well, we just think it sounds off
drowsy aspen
no it's an adjective it doesn't fit anywhere else-
fathom ledge
no it's an adjective it doesn't fit anywhere else-
well, with more punctuation and context, maybe
cw unpa ||"look what you did (implied 'while') fucking"||
or if it's a name, "look, Fucking, what you did"
or to emphasize that it was the listener who did it (this one's much more iffy tho) "look what fucking YOU did!"
anyways i came here to compliment jan Kekan San on the funny references to gravity falls and fine art in the testrum thread
musi a :)
cinder tiger
no it's an adjective it doesn't fit anywhere else-
feels more like an adverb to me
also i think it would sound less weird as an adjective if it was third person
look what fucking jerry did
vocal trellis
tropic glacier
another leak!
vocal trellis
h
tropic glacier
that is a chair
sullen raft
oh I was thinking something else
summer ingot
that is sitelen pona for luka if you do not know what a thumb is
drowsy aspen
btw this link leads to the wrong video
it leads to the mi kute e kalama pi musi Tewalija la video, not Translation Practice - Learn Toki Pona! Extra 1 video
(also Tewalija doesn't match with the logo, it's spelled Telawija there)
cinder tiger
did you see my spoilers
I get it now....
Its this guy....
A "Green Guy" of sorts, perhaps?
neon junco
hapsper
tropic glacier
this is what all of that allusion to the moon-shaped kekan san was referring to
forest hollow
oh i didn't even realize the shape was different
vocal trellis
Esperantists gonna consider that war I think
excellent
vocal trellis
btw this link leads to the wrong video
it leads to the mi kute e kalama pi musi ...
fffff i cannot believe i made BOTH these mistakes, i perish
gonna fix asap, thank you!
tropic glacier
this is literally anti-kekan san
vocal trellis
๐
tropic glacier
moon from odyssey ๐
lucid jackal
this is literally anti-kekan san
kekan san if he was a good person (esperantist)
stone jetty
coming next week to conlang youtube: jan Misali's "conlang critic redone, esperanto, and how it exceeds at being a minimalist language without it even being its goal"
dark times are upon us... trully...
vocal trellis
let it be known that two esperantists have reached out to me to tell me i forgot two pronouns
@lucid jackal
cinder tiger
LOL
heavy gulchBOT
Welcome to your purgatory or something
summer ingot
this is what all of that allusion to the moon-shaped kekan san was referring to
kekan mun
lucid jackal
let it be known that two esperantists have reached out to me to tell me i forgot...
si is cringe and ฤi and tiu doesn't count
also oni
Which I just forgot oops
not my fault I ran out of space on the board ๐
This is lesson one, the wacky pronouns will have to wait
cinder tiger
TRUE
lucid jackal
LMAO
tell them they forgot oni
i think i remember thinking about putting si and oni, but it was getting too long so i skipped them since they're less important lol
but to mention ci but not oni, that's funny
fake esperanto-fan ๐
mental agate
wait
their name is Kekan SAN
we've only seen 2, the star and moon
where's the third one
is it a sun version??
lucid jackal
jan Kekan sun
mental agate
oh shit you're right
tropic glacier
kasi Kekan San
mental agate
vocal trellis
ILOOO
cinder tiger
seme a
forest hollow
ilo li nasa e tenpo
vocal trellis
more on the way ๐
wanna do some stuff about Toki Pona and Experiential Metaphor
wanna finish my lessons, la lesson is in editing hell because busy
mental agate
cinder tiger
more on the way ๐
yay!
vocal trellis
plant
mi sona ala e tannn
why
thread. it's a thread. it's not just a channel.
i remove the plants from room this
vocal trellis
mi wile e musi pi toki pona sama ni
(mi pana sin e ni tan tomo ante)
O SONA ALA E NIMI
- sona nimi li SULI ALA A la O SONA ALA E ONA
- TENPO SULI LA SONA NIMI LI LON, taso tenpo ALE la PILIN nimi li nanpa wan
- sina wile sona e nimi anu seme? ni la O KEPEKEN NIMI O TOKI
- "nimi waso la ijo li lon sewi li tawa sewi" - toki pi nasa wasa tan jan pi """"sona"""" nimi
O LUKIN e pakala nasa mute tan jan pi "sona" nimi pi toki pona. ona li wile e pilin pona sina la ona o ANPA a:
(ni li nasin LON pi jan LON pi sona nasa)
[sitelen]
"toki a, o lukin e waso mi" [ona li weka e sike musi tawa sewi]
ona li anpa mute e mi ale
kind osprey
mi wile e musi pi toki pona sama ni
(mi pana sin e ni tan tomo ante)
O SONA ALA...
aย ยท mi pali e teken sama lon ma Weteย ยท teken li toki e nimi โนmuโบย ยท nimi ona li nimi โนo mu alaโบย ยท
vocal trellis
musi a
vocal trellis
@stone jetty li toki Epanja e sitelen mi nanpa TU!
o lukin e ona, o pana e ona, o kama sona e toki pona!
@stone jetty translated my SECOND lesson to Spanish!
Check it out, send it to friends, learn toki pona!
vocal trellis
TOKI A
COMING SOON TO THEATRES NEAR YOU
TENPO POKA LA NI LI LON POKA SINA LON TOMO PI SITELEN TAWA SULI
@wintry shell mu
wintry shell
MI SITELEN
vocal trellis
SINA SEME?
wintry shell
vocal trellis
SITELEN
wintry shell
kepeken nasin sitelen 4K
vocal trellis
WAWAWA
exotic shuttle
kulupu pona a
vocal trellis
yooooo YOOOOOO
a pakala
joooo JOOOOO (mi jo)
(mi wile ala e mani, taso ni li sin wawa!)
rocky cypress
wawa
exotic shuttle
musi a
craggy imp
get da caลก
wintry shell
jan sin li kama sona e pona ๐ (jan ni li lon poka mi lon tenpo suli, li pona mute tawa mi; mi open kama sona li toki e toki pona la jan ni kin li open lili :] ona li pona mute tawa ale)
vocal trellis
tropic glacier
jan musi epiku ||epic gamer||
lucid jackal
<:sungle:946895292006035526>
1000th of the way there ๐ซก
wintry shell
jan suli pi ilo JuTu
pale crow
gregdan3d implies a gregdan2d exists
wintry shell
๐ซต pipi
pale crow
mu a
cerulean gulch
<:sungle:946895292006035526>
should i add you to the wikitubia /hj
u got 1k subs woohoo
when is the next episode coming out??
vocal trellis
should i add you to the wikitubia /hj
I didn't even know that was a thing, neat!
vocal trellis
when is the next episode coming out??
mi toki ike la
i should be done editing by this weekend, so within ~2 weeks of that!
cerulean gulch
mi toki ike la
i should be done editing by this weekend, so within ~2 weeks of t...
Yayy
vocal trellis
cinder tiger
a mun li wawa a
sage flicker
mun li kama wawa
forest hollow
ni li tan pi mani Kekan San anu seme
vocal trellis
ala, mani Kekan San li kama tan sitelen mi mani :P
mi alasa e ona
#pali-musi message
cinder tiger
sona pi mani Kekan San nanpa wan li weka tan jan ale...
cerulean gulch
please dont put junior double triple whopper ads
vocal trellis
LOL
I haven't added any ads yet
I'm mixed on adding them at all
On one hand, it would be a smol income stream and I would probably just put all of that straight toward more toki pona things
On another one hand, YouTube will recommend my videos more if they serve ads, increasing my reach
On the other hand, ads.
I have a project coming up which will involve a dual release of videos
I think the only appropriate action is to monetize the one of these that is in English lmao
Nah but in seriousness if I do put ads, I will ensure they are as uninvasive as possible (no unskippables for example)
rocky cypress
a a a o mani e toki Inli
lucid jackal
i'd say just put ads on em
get that mani
sure ads suck, but so does everything ever
vocal trellis
the most ethical action would be to put out a video telling you how to get adblock
lucid jackal
yea i guess
tropic glacier
you are probably the most viewed toki pona channel right now
(besides conlang critic, but that guy isn't as much of a toki pona anymore channel as you are)
oh yeah they starting some weird blocker to stop adblockers
adblockerblocker
vocal trellis
you are probably the most viewed toki pona channel right now
sitelen mi mute li lon toki Inli la ni :P
taso! sitelen te esun pi jan suli ike Pi to li wawa lon mute lukin li toki pona taso
tropic glacier
lon
mi wile open e kulupu pi sitelen tawa musi pi toki pona taso
mi ken ni tan ni: mi kama ken toki kepeken toki pona
guys what does kama even mean?
like it is impossible to translate it, but I know exactly how it works
lucid jackal
guys what does kama even mean?
everything~
vocal trellis
ijo li kama ante
tropic glacier
like, at one time, something didn't, and now it does?
vocal trellis
mi ken ni tan ni: mi kama ken toki kepeken toki pona
sina kama ken toki kepeken toki pona la sina ken ala toki pona lon tenpo wan li ken toki pona lon tenpo sin
taso, sina lon seme lon pali ni?
sina ken lon kama sona lon pini pi kama sona lon open pi kama sona
sona poka li pana e sona ni
tropic glacier
a mi sona
what if tawa as a preverb meant the opposite as kama
I don't use tawa personally
lucid jackal
what if tawa as a preverb meant the opposite as kama
so awen?
vocal trellis
ijo li awen
tropic glacier
ala
vocal trellis
ijo li kama ijo la ona li ante tawa ijo
ijo li awen ijo la ona li ante ala li ijo
tropic glacier
tenpo wan la, ijo li awen; taso, tenpo sin la, ijo li tawa li awen ala
vocal trellis
la ona li kama tawa
lucid jackal
ona li kama tawa
tropic glacier
ken
lucid jackal
I don't use tawa personally
i only do preverb tawa cause i know it makes people upset
same with preverb open
tropic glacier
oh yeah I have to give you a standing ovation for captioning EVERY video you make
lucid jackal
i only do preverb tawa cause i know it makes people upset
same with preverb ope...
/i say this as a joke but if people didn't push back against these preverbs i wouldn't use them, i only use them cause they are controversial
tropic glacier
like good job I think there needs to be more people like this
vocal trellis
- they are not all captioned i'm like 90% sure!
- i am not captioning them!
tropic glacier
oh I need to talk to that person
vocal trellis
@cinder tiger sina wawa tan pana sitelen sina
tropic glacier
yes good job jan Sa
vocal trellis
jan Sa is credited in the description but i should make that part of the video
only reason that isn't the case is cause my lessons were not Scripted Scripted
they're just kinda read off my written lessons
tropic glacier
youtube should give more of an incentive for captioning or buff their existing incentive
vocal trellis
here is an exhaustive list of their incentives for captioning content:
tropic glacier
wow that is quite the list!!
lucid jackal
you can filter for captioned content specifically but you can't filter for non-captioned content
yes, that's the closest thing to an incentive i can think of lmao
vocal trellis
actually i lied a little bit there is one real incentive that just isn't stated
youtube is going to attempt to index your content via search and theyll do so with the automated captions
but if you provide your own captions, you can add any keywords you want to this even if they do not appear in the video (cause the relationship of captions to content is not enforced)
so the incentives are now
- if somebody is intentionally looking for captioned content, your video can appear
- you can get your content on google search with optimizing keywords
wintry shell
I love accessibility
cinder tiger
yes good job jan Sa
sina pona a
forest hollow
the most ethical action would be to put out a video telling you how to get adblo...
unfortunately youtube has recently been making that harder, if not impossible
especially for chrome users since adblockers got nerfed there
double especially for mobile
upload to ma Seka
exotic shuttle
tbh it's time to just go back to firefox
- wants to not get targeted advertising
- uses web browser created by company that exists for the purpose of targeted advertising
balmy remnant
Why'd you edit upload to ma Seka.
It's great.
If we only uploaded to ma Seka It'l be easier to gatekeep people. grow the community.
forest hollow
i didn't edit that part, it was crossed out since the start
sharp hinge
the most ethical action would be to put out a video telling you how to get adblo...
toki pona lesson in which you describe the process of installing an adblocker
tropic glacier
YES
vocal trellis
unfortunately youtube has recently been making that harder, if not impossible
es...
aha, i do have stuff i could upload to ma seka
i haven't thought about ma seka a lot though
it feels like i should only put tpt stuff up there
vocal trellis
toki pona lesson in which you describe the process of installing an adblocker
ni li ken musi, a a a a a
forest hollow
aha, i do have stuff i could upload to ma seka
i haven't thought about ma seka a...
i believe we have a video about tp from kala Asi
and the instance description is
vocal trellis
ahh okay, fair enough
forest hollow
a tpenpo li open
vocal trellis
oh no it's configured for me specifically
mi toki ike la
@forest hollow it's possible to enable it for individuals, but i'm not satisfied with the commands or database and haven't sat down to fix it for a while
hmm
i do have the originals for all of my content and could put it up
singlehandedly triples the disk use of ma seka
forest hollow
honestly idk if we're even using more than the 40gb that came with the vm (i got an extra 256gb expecting more usage but yeah)
also i should really put the box to more use
wordpress perhaps
vocal trellis
i would only add about 20gb lmao
forest hollow
honestly i'll be more worried about the transcoding
half a core and all
vocal trellis
aaa
pana li ken taso lon tenpo ni
mi sona ala e wile
taso ilo li wawa lili la mi ken pana e ijo lili taso
tropic glacier
I mean there is always this
https://codeberg.org/Ashley/poketube#user-content-usage
kind osprey
@vocal trellis oย ยท
vocal trellis
WAWA SEWI
kind osprey
a aaย ยท
vocal trellis
o pana e ni tawa #pana ๐
kind osprey
ni li kenย ยท
taso mi wile ala tu e panaย ยท oko la kulupu li pana e ona tawa #pona-kulupuย ยท
rocky cypress
a ona li kama lon #seme-li-lon
kind osprey
a ponaย ยท
kind osprey
<@497549183847497739> oย ยท
lon tenpo pimeja la kalama suwi li kalamaย ยท jan seme li sona e niย : kalama li tan semeย ยท
ashen kelp
@kind osprey sina toki pona e musi seta kepeken nasin seme
kind osprey
mi toki e ni lon tenpo anteย ยท mi lapeย ยท
ashen kelp
lape pona
kind osprey
<@747011811978772531> sina toki pona e musi seta kepeken nasin seme
ilo mi li pimejaย ยท mi lon ona e sikeย ยท sike li jo e ma musiย ยท mi pana e poki lili tawa ilo pimejaย ยท poki lili li jo e ilo mokuย ยท ilo moku li tan sike e ma musi li tawa poki lili e onaย ยท mi tawa ilo pali e ma musiย ยท ma musi li jo e lipu muteย ยท lipu mute li toki e ma anu teken anu tokiย ยท taso mi ken ala sona e lipu tokiย ยท tan ni la mi lon ilo mi e ilo nasinย ยท ilo nasin li ante e nasin pi lipu tokiย ยท ni la lipu li toki miย ยท ni la mi ken sona e lipuย ยท lon kulupu lipu la mi alasa e toki kasiย ยท mi pona e toki kasi kepeken ilo wawaย ยท mi lon ilo pali e ilo pali liliย ยท tan ona la lipu ali pi toki jan li unpa e ona li kama lipu suli wan pi toki iloย ยท mi lon poki e lipu suliย ยท kin mi lon poki e ilo panaย ยท mi lon ilo pimeja e pokiย ยท mi nasa e ilo pimejaย ยท ni taso la ona li kute e miย ยท tan nasa la ona li wile open e ilo panaย ยท ilo pana li pana e lipu suli tawa ma musiย ยท sike li lon ilo la mi kama lon ma musiย ยท toki ona li kama ponaย ยท
marsh delta
<@497549183847497739> oย ยท
confused, whats the thing that theyre sama? i havent seen that glyph so im confused
rocky cypress
confused, whats the thing that theyre sama? i havent seen that glyph so im confu...
It's a simplified version of "jan", drawn in a single loop
(And the 2 // lines are a simplified version of "e")
I wouldn't expect people to be able to read it, although it is possible
marsh delta
aaa mi sona!
kind osprey
There are captions on the ma Seka and YouTube versions.
kind osprey
It's a simplified version of "jan", drawn in a single loop
(And the 2 // lines a...
And I also donโt expect anyone else to be able to read it. But thatโs not my goal anyway.
rocky cypress
Yeah
Just giving extra context, sorry
vocal trellis
SUWI
vocal trellis
when is next episode?
mi awen pali 
taso, tenpo poka a
cerulean gulch
r/place
marsh delta
EPIKU
vocal trellis
balmy remnant
lรดn
vale widget
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ituR4S-NS0
ni li sitelen tawa sina li epiku
I'm subscribed to you mani Kekan San
vocal trellis
a :) sina pona!
tenpo seme la sina kama lukin e pali mi?
vale widget
mute
vale widget
nanpa li ike
vocal trellis
MUSI
cinder tiger
which video is this on a a a
vocal trellis
esun pi jan suli ike Pi
a a a a a a a
a!
tenpo poka la mi pana e toki suli sin
mi wile e sitelen mi ale lon ma wan, a a a a
lucid jackal
a!
tenpo poka la mi pana e toki suli sin
mi wile e sitelen mi ale lon ma wan, a ...
toki suli seme?
toki ni anu seme: ale li nanpa?
vocal trellis
toki suli seme?
toki ni anu seme: ale li nanpa?
aaaaa, ala
mi pana e toki suli lon tomo pi nimi ni: #1020033302595391488
lucid jackal
a! sona!
tawny moss
ilo li telo e len li lili e ona a
vocal trellis
eh look I found fan art
wawa!
mi lili a!
taso seme loje li lon sinpin mi?
forest hollow
poki
tropic glacier
uta olin!!
tropic glacier
o moku pona!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
vocal trellis
to
ki
sina sona e ni: mi pana e sitelen e toki tawa suno pi toki pona
TASO
ona li kama ala lon lipu mi pi ma Jutu
wawa la mi kama pana e ona!
kin la
sona pi nimi la
li lon poka pini
tenpo suli la mi pilin nasa lon pali li ken ala pali pona
taso sin la mi kama wile pali
lucid jackal
wawa \o/
vocal trellis
sina lukin e mi pi pali ala la o toki e ni:
JAN KEKAN SAN O PALI
a, kin la! mi open e tomo lili sin lon tenpo poka
lucid jackal
tan lape ala a a a
lawa mi li nasa lon lape ala
mi lukin e sitelen tawa sina li pilin e ni:
mi pali e ni! sitelen pi Jo Paten li toki e ni: "mi ni"
ni la, mi sama jan Jo Paten
or smth mi sona ala a a a
mi tawa lape
vocal trellis
o tawa lape
lucid jackal
a a a
mi o pini lape lon tenpo luka wan
nasin lape mi li pona ๐
vocal trellis
sina ni e sina tan semeeeee
sina lape ala la sina ken moli aaaaaaaa 
lucid jackal
a a a
nasin tenpo li ike tawa mi
mi sona ala e nasin pona
ijo mute la, ni li lon
nasin pali mi li ike, nasin lape mi li ike
nasin li ken ala lawa e mi ๐ (ni li ike)
vocal trellis
nasin tenpo li ike tawa mi
mi sona ala e nasin pona
ijo mute la, ni li lon
nasin...
nasin tenpo li ken pona tan pali taso
sina o pona e sina lon tenpo kepeken nasin ni:
o tawa lape lon poka pi tenpo sama lon tenpo suno ale.
ni la sijelo sina li kama sona e nasin lape :P
lucid jackal
mi sonaaaaaaa
mi o niiiiiii
lucid jackal
mi majuna ala a a a
mi sona ala e nasin pi jan majuna a a a
wintry shell
nasin pona li ni: o lukin ala e tenpo. o lukin e pilin sina
sina pilin lape la o lape. pilin lape li pini la o kama pali ante. pali pi sina ala li wile e sina la o nasa
lucid jackal
nasin pona li ni: o lukin ala e tenpo. o lukin e pilin sina
a a a
pilin mi li nasa li ike tawa lape tawa pali
mi kute e pilin mi taso la, sijelo mi li kama ike
lucid jackal
nasin li lon ala a!
||No way!||
vocal trellis
DESPAIR
wintry shell
mi o lukin pini e sitelen ni pi toki pona. mi wile ni lon tenpo taso mi awen ni ala
wintry shell
[mi open ni] sina toki ala toki e monsuta Loko lon toki ni a a a a a a a
musi ala la wawa
aa suwi + nasin pona
mi ken ala kute e ni pi toki Inli lon tenpo lon tan ni: tenpo pali pi kulupu kalama li open
ni li pini la mi o toki e pilin o kute e ni pi toki Inli
vocal trellis
[mi open ni] sina toki ala toki e monsuta Loko lon toki ni a a a a a a a
a a a a a a a, mi ni ala
tenpo kama la mi ken ni ๐ anu seme
mi moli tenpo e jan ale pi toki pona kepeken sona ni ๐
vocal trellis
mi ken ala kute e ni pi toki Inli lon tenpo lon tan ni: tenpo pali pi kulupu kal...
lon la ona pi toki Inli li sama a
suli la nasin toki ona li sama nasin pi toki pona, taso sona sama li lon
wintry shell
tenpo ni la mi sona, taso mi awen wile kute
mi toki e pilin mi lon anpa sitelen la mi kepeken nasin sama a a a
vocal trellis
aaaaa mi toki tawa sina lon ni!
vocal trellis
aaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAA
tenpo pi suli seme la mi ken toki lon toki ni
o pana e pilin sina
jan Kekan San pi tenpo pini ***o lili e toki ***
wintry shell
nimi "la" 
ashen kelp
suli nasa aa
vocal trellis
suli nasa aa
lon la tenpo suli li jo ala e toki tan ni mute:
mi kama lukin e lipu ante mi, mi pakala li weka e sitelen li kama sin, lawa mi li pini lon tenpo li kama sin
pilin mi la sitelen ni li kama suli sama sitelen ante mi
ashen kelp
a pona
lucid jackal
ona li ilo kon pi suli nanpa wan /calque
wintry shell
mi lukin e ijo
vocal trellis
ona li ilo kon pi suli nanpa wan /calque
taso la jan pi ma Elopa li kepeken nimi ilo pi toki Inli sama ni, anu seme
wintry shell
ona li ilo kon pi suli nanpa wan /calque
o awen taso e mi /calque
lucid jackal
taso la jan pi ma Elopa li kepeken nimi ilo pi toki Inli sama ni, anu seme
nnn, toki mute pi ma Elopa li lanpan e nimi tan toki Inli
taso, mi sona ala e toki ale a a a
ona li nasin Inli
wintry shell
lon
vocal trellis
nnnn, jan pi ma Elopa pi toki Inli
wintry shell
ona li nimi sama pi tan sama ala
vocal trellis
mi wile toki e ni lon open:
a, jan pi ma Juke taso li ni
taso sina lon ala ma ni
wintry shell
ilo kon + jan li pilin pona wawa tawa ijo
lucid jackal
mi wile toki e ni lon open:
a, jan pi ma Juke taso li ni
taso sina lon ala ma ni
a!
toki Sensa la, mi kepeken e nimi "Fan" tan toki Inli
ona li ilo ala. toki Sensa la, nimi "Fan" li ken toki e jan anpa pi ike nanpa wan a a a
balmy remnant
Who says fuh nad eek
๐ฑ
wintry shell
ilo kon + jan li pilin pona wawa tawa ijo
nimi ni li lili pi nimi nanpa tu
wintry shell
Who says fuh nad eek
๐ฑ
mi sona ala a
lucid jackal
a!
toki Sensa la, mi kepeken e nimi "Fan" tan toki Inli
ona li ilo ala. toki Sen...
toki Sensa la, tan ante li lon
musi a
wintry shell
wawa a a a
wintry shell
nasin toki pi tenpo ale
(lon la mi ni pi nasa ike la mi ken ala. mi lukin mute e ma ni, li sona e ni kin: tomo ni la ijo sin mute li pona li lon ijo suli)
lucid jackal
a mi sama
toki li lon tomo ni la, mu lili li kama lon ilo Siko mi
wintry shell
tInli la I Am sorry for Being Weird About It if I am I am just really like this
lucid jackal
sina ike ala a a a
wintry shell
wile musi pi tenpo ale en pilin pona pi wawa nasa li ken nasa e nasin mi a a a
lucid jackal
mi la nasin musi li nasin pona
vocal trellis
ona li ilo kon pi suli nanpa wan /calque
WAIT A MINUTE
I READ THIS AS "THEY ARE THE BIGGEST TOOL"
NOT FAN
vocal trellis
DID YOU ADD KON LATER?
vocal trellis
@wintry shell AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
lucid jackal
genuinely right after i clicked enter i noticed and added it lmao
lucid jackal
i did not mean to call it a tool that's so mean lmao
lucid jackal
DID YOU ADD KON LATER?
i have a bad habit of sending first, proofreading and fixing after
wintry shell
IT'S OK I UNDERSTOOD
lucid jackal
AAAAAAA LMAO
vocal trellis
KULUPU O
mi pana e sona lon sitelen la mi pana e kalama tan musi
kalama pi musi seme o lon sitelen kama
(ni li sitelen pi nimi la)
(tenpo SULI li weka tawa ni: mi pana)
vocal trellis
๐ ๐ ๐ ๐
mental agate
a
vocal trellis
mi wawa.
mental agate
marsh delta
aaaa!!! ona li kama tan sitelen :O
forest hollow
o sewi ยท ma [Patemo] suwi o ยท https://cohost.org/cathoderaydude/post/1255198-congratulations-bal
