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bold harness
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i mean it sometimes does work

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ill tell ya what we need , we need an f14 with phoenixs

hazy delta
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💀

bold harness
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that thing makes me goon

hazy delta
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f-18 mod when

bold harness
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okay i gtg gym bye blud

regal onyx
rocky glen
strange meteor
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VTOL V/R EWAR version is fun

regal onyx
magic fable
# hazy delta f-18 mod when

I always liked the super hornet mod. The “difficulties” of flying it scared away the lesser pilots so I always felt safe knowing that if the pilot was comfortable enough flying it, they were generally pretty good.

hazy delta
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the f-18 by itself is pretty pog and the mod makes it cooler

bold harness
magic fable
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I have something for this

naive kayak
hazy delta
magic fable
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FEAR THE BONES

agile cypress
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@strange meteor im litteratly watching a video on that rn lmao

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seems really cool

strange meteor
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I agree. Maybe he could make the AI actually try to HARM me once

rocky glen
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i just skimmed the mod page

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looks so cool but probably too resource intensive for lib

strange meteor
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We'd have to test it. It's made by Rimmy specifically to work for larger communities.

rocky glen
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ooo

regal onyx
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Fellow rimmy enjoyers I see

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As cool as this looks it seems like it would be hell for Beans and Barrett to try and implement

strange meteor
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I'm optimistic. Maybe we run a one-off campaign like GWOT again to see how it runs, and go from there. DCO was promising, and we gave it a shot.

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It would at least give us the gameplay of being able to conduct strategic operations above the level of "Where next? and "Need factory".

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Maybe those factories could be the supply depots. Maybe Harpy has to run from Spec Ops QRF's once we make enough noise. Taking an airfield could actually mean something.

odd echo
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ayy rimmy

sinful dew
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Yeah lets buy air that can't defend itself in the heaviest Red Air environment because f the dudes playing infantry, let them be stuck at FOB because no ground assets are around because it's all spent on demon and reaper.

rocky glen
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  1. air can defend itself fine
  2. you're getting stuck at fob cause of red air, not cause of lack of transport
agile cypress
sinful dew
bright bane
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its more like 1-6 dont want inf using vechs or inf not wanting vechs

agile cypress
rocky glen
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i saw at least 2 or 3 strykers, a gmv and 2 mraps at fob alpha

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that is plenty

regal onyx
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According to assets this morning there were

1 gmv
3 Mraps
2 softtop trucks
2 lras strykers
1 Mrzr

That's quite a bit but there could always be more

cobalt frigate
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We pretty much have to beg on our knees to 1-6 to get permission to grab a ground vic

rocky glen
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cause the map sucks for it and they die if misused

cobalt frigate
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Everything can die if misused

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What's the point of buying anything if we're to afraid to use it

rocky glen
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a stryker literally got left out yesterday by a line squad

cobalt frigate
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eh, stryker shouldn't be given to a line squad in the 1st place, im talking more about mraps

odd echo
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I genuienly mean that we could just buy ground stuff instead and fuck CAS since its not viable

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but then everyone has to agree on that (which is not happening)

regal onyx
odd echo
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real

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savage is great

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mil point? dump all clusters and HE in a 100x100 box

sinful sable
regal onyx
sinful sable
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I woke up in a good mood, let's say that

rocky glen
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what happens if your in a bad mood

sinful sable
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idk

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we buy an MGS or something

grave mauve
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I know I'm late to the party and I don't know if someone said it, but LAFS will 100% NOT work in Liberation.

The mod is designed to be used with controlled missions (be it by a Zeus or scripted), not for persistent missions like Liberation, Antistasi, Wasteland, etc

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I watched Rimmy's video and was excited about it but it would only be practical for KOG or KT unless under special circumstances

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Liberation has it's own version of some of these systems, like Spotters, Counter Battery, CAS/CAP aircraft spawning.

Liberation's version of these systems are significantly simpler, but there isn't an on/off switch for these things

strange meteor
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Ah, shame. Thanks for the info!

regal onyx
rocky glen
hazy delta
agile cypress
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rescript lib from scratch fr

regal onyx
rocky glen
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FRR

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get rid of fleurs missile code would be a good start /j

regal onyx
rocky glen
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cope

regal onyx
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no...you literally couldn't

rocky glen
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ive learned since then im better

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trust

regal onyx
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it's been like 3 days 💀

rocky glen
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exactly

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im just John F-16 yk

hazy delta
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bruh

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vanilla sam sites are ez

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💀

grave mauve
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32KM range

regal onyx
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tbf he had 4 launchers go active at the same time, and i datalinked them

rocky glen
hazy delta
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😂

agile cypress
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they are so op its not even funny

rocky glen
rocky glen
hazy delta
agile cypress
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pla a2a missiles do the same shit for some reason

regal onyx
grave mauve
rocky glen
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The good thing is with lib sam sites is you can just peek into their lock range and lob a harm

regal onyx
rocky glen
agile cypress
regal onyx
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arma 4

rocky glen
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arma 5

regal onyx
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but it would be shitty

lapis abyss
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@zealous dagger ngl I think that would be pretty creative

zealous dagger
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Thank you sphaggi

lapis abyss
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would be awesome used in conjunction with banshee for medevacs to create that sort of environment

gray python
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Funnier idea is letting them help both sides

zealous dagger
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I would honestly do that

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But nah that’s troll move

lapis abyss
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Feedback: I really love how the ai don't instantly die now, although they tank bullets it's great to see some of them not instantly flopping after taking non critical shots

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even if it was just a setting overlooked it would be nice to keep it on

gray python
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Pretty sure it's just their armor

dusky hemlock
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Ma game running like shit rn
and u wanna make it worse??

hazy delta
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lock tf in and upvote now

dusky hemlock
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Rgr Sir 🥶

rocky glen
magic fable
rocky glen
bold harness
regal onyx
dusky hemlock
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We can do modern there

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Check the map out

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You will see why is a good map

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For all assets

regal onyx
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screenshots look nice but i'm downloading it

dusky hemlock
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You see

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Its just like playing WARNO

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Lol

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Get harpy in that treeline

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Boom Mi-28 gone

rocky glen
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i was cringing at only 15x15 but now i'm happy

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dusky hemlock
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But it will be enjoyable

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Ahh

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Perfect map for GAFs

regal onyx
rocky glen
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fair enough i just want a big map ngl

regal onyx
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this map is pretty nicely made

rocky glen
crimson briar
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ahhh good ol rosche

tacit pasture
regal onyx
tacit pasture
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lib

regal onyx
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how was the point density

tacit pasture
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yes

regal onyx
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lol

tacit pasture
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it was fine

rocky glen
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im tempted to design my own arma 3 map

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maybe of my town or something

half stone
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...I'm pretty sure we did Rosche before, and the AI could see through all the foliage because it wasn't done properly or something

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And had some performance issues

tacit pasture
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Was that not viro

half stone
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Virolahti was also bad in terms of performance lol

glad field
lilac yacht
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@wet shale super tucano maybe?

dusky hemlock
wet shale
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But a little turbo prop cas aircraft would be fine I think

lilac yacht
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yeah for sure. i know the super tucano is an rhs plane

half stone
wet shale
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Atleast give it something with flares to give them a small chance

sinful sable
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eh, personally I feel like we need a better CAP plane (which the F-22 was meant to be) that doesn't have a dysfunctional radar that prevents it from...being a good CAP plane.

gray python
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Prop reaper planes sounds like a bigger waste of money then just saving for the jets

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I don't disagree with the idea of cheaper reaper aircraft they just can't be props

sinful sable
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like, the real issue this map so far has been the quantity of red air which we can't reliably contest because the dedicated CAP aircraft has a weak radar for some reason

gray python
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Also no ECM

sinful sable
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ye

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ECM isn't the problem itself, though

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the F-22 has the stealth capability to not need it

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it's lacking radar is what tips it over the edge

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because the F-22 we ended up paying for gets shot at first anyway because the J-20's radar is more or less better

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now, we do have two mods available to us that can rectify this issue

I've tested one and I am testing the other, so it's possible to make a suggestion for it..

gray python
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What mods are those?

sinful sable
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the one I have tested is the Firewill F-35B, and outside of some...meh cockpit visuals (and specifically cockpit visuals, I think the aircraft itself looks awesome), works perfectly fine

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diverse loadout options so we can balance it for a decent price, has a working targeting pod and radar, probably would look very well if we gave it 4-6 Air-to-Air missiles for CAP, maybe like 2 guided bombs at most and then a bunch of unguided rockets (since it would be able to use them without being instantly annihilated out of the sky)

Also, VTOL funnies

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the one I am testing currently is the Firewill F-22

sinful sable
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okay, I finished testing

yea, the F-22 looks quite a bit better visually in the cockpit, has similar sensor capabilities, the only issue would be that it's just a little more quirky to make a loadout for it because you can't mix AA and bombs in the internal pylons section, and it only carries guided bombs for CAS

Also no VTOL but eh, not a problem

gray python
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I don't think it matters if you can't have bombs, having a bird that's sole purpose is cap could be good especially on this map

sinful sable
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no no, you can
you just have to not have AA missiles in the internal pylons and you can equip two bombs inside (the internal pylons only capable of carrying sidewinders don't count towards this)

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you can still equip a pylon or two with sidewinders externally and arma doesn't affect stealth that way

gray python
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What can be carried externally or is it just sidewinders?

sinful sable
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externally, it can be AMRAAMs, Sidewinders, and bombs

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which is your options btw

gray python
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Im assuming it has like 6 to 8 pylon slots?

sinful sable
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uhhh, up to 8 internal if it's only AA, 8 external

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the F-35B has 4 internal and ordnance does not matter, 6 external

gray python
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That sounds good, im assuming if they were added both would be cut down a bit

sinful sable
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obviously, you don't have to fill every pylon

gray python
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How does the radar compare to the one we have right now?

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in the f-22

sinful sable
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works

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you know, it's not dysfunctional

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will do the job of 'detecting enemy aircraft' better

gray python
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What's the max range?

sinful sable
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I think 30-32 (but detection capabilities are better within this range, which is the F-22's problem)

gray python
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That sounds good, I would suggest it

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We need a f-22 that can actually do it's job

sinful sable
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the F-35B is similar

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so either can do the job

gray python
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I guess the only question is how does the stealth compare because that's not easily checkable

sinful sable
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and I'd recommend the F-35B since we can balance it's capabilities by agreeing to Cynic's favourite past time of 'trying to make Reaper assets look cool'

sinful sable
gray python
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Im assuming it doesn't have like ecm or anything like that or does it?

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Also yeah that's good

sinful sable
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nah, no ECM

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doesn't need it tho

gray python
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yeah true

sinful sable
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decent IRCM suite, decent stealth, good radar

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no need to make it OP

gray python
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I think you could honestly just switch the f-22s we use now for it and keep with similar loadouts

sinful sable
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like, we can give the F-35B 4 AMRAAMs, 2 bombs (say, GBU-54) for SEAD or CB, and then some Zuni HEAT like the ones on the Wisconsin for unguided CAS since it'd be able to pull it off thanks to a decently shielded airframe

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on the Firewill F-22, I'd imagine we can give it 2 Sidewinders to replace the Zunis we can't have unless we manually give it the option to carry them externally

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the only bug I have ever ran into with these two is a visual bug that doesn't affect gameplay at all

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so, what'cha think? Good suggestion that can be seriously considered?

gray python
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I see no downsides

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Consistent with what's already available

sinful sable
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the mods aren't even that big btw

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the F-35B was a whopping 90 MB

gray python
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Yeah that sounds great

sinful sable
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and we only need to install THAT one mod

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and then have barrett make the loadouts I mentioned above, then put them as basically the same price as the F-35 Light or the F-22 Light (or maybe even a bit more, who cares if it's 1200/1200/1000)

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...I can't imagine this takes much longer than readding the F-15 after they forgot about it

odd echo
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Weve done rosche twice no?

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Fun but ass for CAS cause 0 terrain
It is what it is

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80s/90s cold war would go crazy on rosche

tacit pasture
ebon gyro
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#1124647926199758899 message

@wet shale The answer to most of this is the F-15.

As it takes two to operate it will mitigate the risk of inexperienced pilots getting up in the air unprepared. Chances are at least 1 pilot will be experienced and can help teach.

As for cheap CAS, guess the Super Tucano that we have in our mods could be used when we do GWOT à la Sky Warden.

gray python
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The only way I see a super tucano working. is in a campaign with no fixed wing red air, because the second red air spawns you're cooked.

rocky glen
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The F-15 is so based idk why we dont buy it more often

gray python
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We could get it this map eventually

hazy delta
gray python
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speaking of the f-15, they need to put it in the training server

hazy delta
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and if the rumors are true and the apkws are gone uh...

rocky glen
hazy delta
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nvm im looking at draco's sheet for pylons

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still has 2 gbu-12s and 14 apks

rocky glen
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yeah i forgor 💀

rocky glen
bold harness
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i just wanted to bump it incase of CSs' forgor about it

rocky glen
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fair

bold harness
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plus if u think about it if we actually get it reaper is gonna survive more cause more competent people will fly it

sinful sable
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yea it'd be nice if it came back

bold harness
sinful sable
bold harness
sinful sable
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personally another thing I hope to see if we replace the F-22 with a more...functional, firewill aircraft like the F-22 or even the 35B

just so when we actually need a CAP-focused aircraft that can skip some of the more grand CAS needs, we actually have one that can face the 2 J-20s and 4 Mi-48s headed our way constantly

half stone
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I mean, why not use the resources to buy CAP F-16s instead of CAS?

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And see if battalion's willing to do BOGO deals lmfao

hazy delta
sinful sable
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we don't have CAP F-16s is the thing

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the best IS the alaska

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which is why I posted what I said above, I think you'll quite like it.

half stone
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Well, maybe invest in the F-22 first or something

sinful sable
half stone
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If enemy air is what's causing problems, get an asset that directly address it and isn't multirole

sinful sable
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like, it has poor defenses and a bad radar

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it's why I personally want them replaced by the Firewill ones, we carry over the pricetag and the loadout, maybe add some unguided Zuni rockets so we can do a cool ass strafing run and not instantly eat shit and die because you and I can agree that unguided CAS can be pretty cool for infantry to look at, but where you and I disagree is on the price we pay after that, and problem solved

we get a competent radar and a competent defensive kit for a CAP aircraft

hazy delta
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We need cynic in reaper he'd kill anything and everything in a cessna frfr

half stone
agile cypress
hazy delta
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I mean he doesnt lol

sinful sable
hazy delta
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he just yaps

half stone
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The flares in Project Wingman work, so it should work in Arma, right?

sinful sable
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gee I wish they worked that way
sadly, uhhh
RNG

the only reason we buy the F-16 Alaska is that, while it may not have the IR or radar reductions necessary to perform most 'normal' air-to-air in arma, it has ECM
one of the few ways we can bypass RNG

half stone
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Do some of that pilot shit

sinful sable
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well, see, I'd love to

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now, credit where credit is due, this mostly happens with the SAM sites
but don't worry, Cu Chang and his PL-12 can ALSO do this.

half stone
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Clearly the PLA is more advanced than the US

grave mauve
sinful sable
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I mean, straight up their fifth gen stuff is better than the ones we have in the USAF mod

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....and they can get like 3 of them at once, for free

half stone
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So ask battalion for like, a free F-22 every restart

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What's the worst thing that they can say, no?

sinful sable
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straight up, a battalion F-35 Light or F-22 Light that respawns every restart

half stone
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Let's not be greedy

bold harness
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slap it in command or suggestions if yall want to ,but we all know the answer

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and tbh they gave us tons of stuff people just got em shot down coughcough

wet shale
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I'm loving everything you just said

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Ger this guy a true

ebon gyro
rocky glen
half stone
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Just get battalion to kludge on a double AMRAAM pylon on the A-10 and you're fine

lapis abyss
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this guy gets it

rocky glen
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frr

ebon gyro
sinful sable
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See, I actually kinda like that second option more (because it's not a prop)

ebon gyro
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What happened to ground BG’s? Feels like that was a long time ago those happened.

trail sigil
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Don't work in the jungle

regal onyx
ebon gyro
# trail sigil Don't work in the jungle

Makes sense, but am I wrong in feeling even before Praire Fire the air / ground BG ratio is now skewed towards air BG’s, compared to how it normally was before?

trail sigil
gray python
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Arma Ai doesn't handle complex pathing well

ebon gyro
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I totally understand the jungle limitations, was just a reflection I had about ground BG’s in general, even before we did Vietnam maps.

Feels like something has been changed the last year or so, where Air BG’s just have become more common than ground ones, when it used to be the opposite.

It’s probably just my selective memory messing with me.

hazy delta
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Air BGs have been a thing even on non jungle maps or rather only air bgs spawning

gray python
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Air bg's are just more of a threat, which is why they send them more I feel like"

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Like how is a ground bg ever going to be a threat to the platoon when we have an apache or fixed wing up

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They just can't do anything at that point to effect anything

ebon gyro
# gray python Air bg's are just more of a threat, which is why they send them more I feel like...

They are a larger threat due to how they will insta cap objectives, but less fun of a threat IMO.

Used to be great fun to have the whole platoon re-orient to set up ambushes on suspected BG paths, instead of shooting down helicopters and then have to hunt down lost and scattered EI patrols all around your objectives.

One did promote a bit of teamwork and thinking, the other is just a progression controller.

Ground based BG’s usually allow you the time to respond and set up a defense, whereas air doesn’t, creating a lose point and re-cap mechanic.

gray python
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I don't disagree that air bg's are less fun of a threat, but it's pretty much impossible to make ground bg's a threat on their own. I think if they also sent like a nasam comparable/ avenger comparable vehicle they'd harder to deal with

ebon gyro
# gray python I don't disagree that air bg's are less fun of a threat, but it's pretty much im...

Honestly, the same assets that would nullify a ground BG, nullifies air BG’s.

I think the biggest difference is time from alert to time when there’s enemies on the point.

Where air is much quicker, but easier to defeat (but too quick to respond to, creating lose and re-cap mechanic) and ground is much slower and harder to defeat, but able to put defenses in place.

A rogue armored BG, is devastating if the platoon is not in order.

gray python
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We don't tend to see rogue armored bg's at least not once we get into the middile/late part of a map

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Early in the campaign you'll see a couple, but after that it just doesn't happen because of the assets we field

agile cypress
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ground bgs with no assets are 10x harder to deal with

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vs air which only drop inf

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when you got assets both are easy

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should never lose a point to bg with a jet up tbh

gray python
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yea exactly

naive kayak
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Honestly I love a mix of air and ground bgs like this, imagine if they both attacked the same point. air BG to lighten to defenses the ground bg to wipe everything out. That would be dope

hazy delta
rocky glen
naive kayak
lapis abyss
ebon gyro
half stone
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And the AI was able to see through nearly all the foliage on the map for some reason

lapis abyss
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ah ok

minor beacon
zealous dagger
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Honestly bro just make it to where we can fix fractures again in the field

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That’s the only thing that’s been bugging me

hazy delta
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honestly real

zealous dagger
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But if y’all got suggestions for reworking them then throw it out there

hazy delta
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let banshee fix simple fractures again

bold harness
strange meteor
gray python
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I thought the banshee fractures was just a nam thing, but they carried that over to modern?

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that's terrible

zealous dagger
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The badmins don’t like us having fun

green umbra
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Make Banshee great they only stabilize and exfil CAS's and 1-9 sits at fob and fixes ppl Banshee brings to them.

I wanna PJ

edgy raptor
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Stabilize and exfil is literally what a PJ does. They are personnel recovery not front line doctors/surgeons.

lapis abyss
gray python
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I mean what would the reason to do that be though?

low oak
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End of restart you could sorta see how fucked the platoon was

lapis abyss
gray python
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I don't think those two things are important enough for them to only be a three man team

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Fixing fractures is a big part of what gave them a purpose

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The server isn't really designed for pjs to have a purpose when by the time banshee gets to injured people they're already dead

gray python
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And they still need to either bring them to 1-9 or exfill them back to the banshee vic

naive kayak
naive kayak
# gray python Banshee should be a bigger team then if they're going to get part of what makes ...

Why would you increase the size if the only thing different the aed and Vic’s? You’d just be losing all the line medics

And I 100% disagree that fixing fractures is what gave them a purpose, they’re there to stabilize mad cals maybe get them up and exfil so they can be brought back to ccp for fixing and packing.

And maybe they wouldn’t be dead if banshee didn’t wanna paradrop all the time sitting 2-3k away or more in the pavehawk.

I get what we want banshee to be. But ace medical and the server medical settings dont allow for that since it’s a public server. Players won’t want to sit for minutes on end waiting for 10 plus min for someone to save them when they’re unconscious

strange meteor
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Just for shits and giggles, what if we turned on the surgery thing and made it to where 1-9 could do it. Make the surgery thing a rare need and boom, an excuse for medevac.

green umbra
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ACM when?

bold harness
green umbra
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Nah you gotta do whole restart surgeries. You have to go to medical school

zealous dagger
regal onyx
zealous dagger
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Also there’s no point taking them back to base because we can just PAK them out in the field with our wambulance or 1-9 can do it as well

zealous dagger
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It might because they too high idk might be an arma thing but I’m sure there’s mods that can fix that

rocky glen
zealous dagger
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Also let us fix simple fractures again cause it’s dumb how we can and we gotta depend on a 1-9 or our banshee vic

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It was fun having to fix fractures out in the field like the simple ones and there’s two others (I forgot the name of those fractures) that needs a 1-9 or our banshee Vic

edgy raptor
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Again banshee is not a doctor. They should not have the ability to fix fractures. They should stabilize and bring the cas to 1-9 who is a doctor in order to fix it.

agile cypress
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being able to do it inside a vic is fine imo

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just banshee dont bring the vic 90% of the time

hazy delta
zealous dagger
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Because it’s a shitmoblie

hazy delta
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literally

agile cypress
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its not fast but you're gonna be moving super slowly behind inf anyway

zealous dagger
edgy raptor
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For real world examples.
Squad medic = I have my first aid certificate. I can give you a bandage.
Banshee = I am a paramedic and ambulance. I rescue you when you are fucked and bring you to a doctor.
1-9 = I am a doctor and or surgeon

hazy delta
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we had this whole discussion in medical 💀

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#🩸kc_medical message

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im not doing it again

edgy raptor
zealous dagger
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Idk any of this stuff so I’m passing this to a better person than me

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@hazy delta sick’em

gray python
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If we’re being serious no one would “fix a fracture” you’d get a cast or splint put on and be sent into recovery

zealous dagger
hazy delta
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I will die on this mountain

regal onyx
zealous dagger
bold harness
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pavehawk is the most useful in areas with no AA there can be AAA ,but it is the mostt useful in areas with alot of desert and open areas but no AA

hazy delta
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Also they only do the same thing cuz the have similar training cuz we're 75th rangers, when we go back to normal army bozos, guess what PJs can do MORE than 1-9...

strange meteor
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Let's make Banshee a SOST and have them stand up field hospitals in random places

(only joking, however fun it may or may not be)

gray python
hazy delta
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So listen, we add KAT with airways and if you have a compound fracture you need to be CASEVAC'd by PJs, no fixind broken limbs at CCP and no paking :3

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or even better we add ACM and run KOG's settings

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no ballz

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(this is a joke)

strange meteor
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Fuck it, one-off campaign with one-life resets

bold harness
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only way to fix banshee is KAT

gray python
strange meteor
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Speed run any%

edgy raptor
rocky glen
bold harness
trail sigil
bold harness
zealous dagger
agile cypress
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i feel like if banshee had an extra medic they'd do better

hazy delta
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medical is so easy

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and ass

zealous dagger
agile cypress
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maybe 1 person who is just a rifleman as security

hazy delta
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you go to cas, stabilize, push fluids boom

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did he get fucked by MBT? oh TXA going in

agile cypress
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OR allow people to slot banshee pilot and be the mev driver

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@zealous dagger i've seen banshee go to help at mas cas and die so many times

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an extra gun would help

zealous dagger
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They know the risk

agile cypress
zealous dagger
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@edgy raptor we giving you ideas here

edgy raptor
hazy delta
magic fable
# edgy raptor Stabilize and exfil is literally what a PJ does. They are personnel recovery not...

I get that you’re green now so I intently hold your opinion higher than I would anyone else in this environment but you have to know that this isn’t true on KC due to the medical mods and settings. Should it work that way? Yes. Does it make sense with current limitations for it to be played that way? No. IMO.

I see your further description of ARFR - first aid, pj - paramedic, 1-9 - doctor and though I can understand where you’re coming from due to arma 3 settings “medic vs. Doctor” but that’s not really supported by irl accuracy nor how it is commonly played in KC lib. For a final note on that:

The “line medic” is not a medic irl. They are the most senior / comfortable rifleman with CLS/TCCC and they perform initial stabilization.

1-9 is a SOCM trained pmed, he holds an actual civilian paramedic certification and is trained in some surgical procedures and has pharmacological capabilities similar to that of a civ physician assistant.

Banshee (pj) holds the same if not a bit more medical training to that of a SOCM trained pmed. Pj’s generally have A LOT more CSAR - RESCUE - extraction training than a SOCM, but generally speaking hold very similar medical training to that of a SOCM.

With all of that said, if you and other administration / community staff want to see this game played in the way you’re describing I would further clarify that in SOP’s (if it’s not already), or provide enforcement of this model via. Escalating strikes. Because at this point, as far as I can tell, banshee are just additional 1-9’s that are more comfortable in the shit (becuase there’s more rifles in the team), and they can’t fix fractures.

Just my $0.02, happy to discuss further if you think it would be beneficial.

Xoxo ❤️

— Colin, TACP enthusiast and budding medical nerd.

regal onyx
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Bro cooked and left no crumbs

gray python
#

Colin right now

rocky glen
magic fable
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I know this probs will upset asecurity because my pov is directly opposite of his, but I hope it’s no hard feelings. It’s all said with love.

You all know by now how I feel about our medical settings and we know for a fact it’s not changing - so as long as the play type is not prohibited by SOP’s I say do it how you feel.

Unless randoms / security’s points are actually mandated by SOP’s - then do it that way because this silliness is not worth a strike on your perms.

You’re all eRangers in my heart. 🩷

rocky glen
magic fable
# rocky glen I don't really play medical at all but im probably gonna trust the guy who does ...

Thankfully, NONE of this has to do with irl civ paramedicine - if it did I’d likely be screaming.

But for about 4 years of my career I was a site cadre of the us SOCM program I have a tiny little bit of insight on their training and capabilities. Those are some of the hardest working guys I’ve met in my career - and though the 75th generally had the youngest and dumbest SOCM candidates - when they graduated they still became special operations combat medics - and they have all the capabilities of a SEAL SOCM or a CAG SOCM.

zealous dagger
agile cypress
magic fable
hazy delta
#

cag gif spam incoming

zealous dagger
#

Who’s man is this and who let him cook this fucking hard

agile cypress
#

banshee is the closest you can get to cag in lib confirmed

hazy delta
bold harness
rocky glen
magic fable
hazy delta
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This gif is still funny asf

regal onyx
#

You're welcome

naive kayak
hazy delta
naive kayak
agile cypress
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gameplay is more important

rocky glen
#

fr

naive kayak
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That way banshee isn’t waiting at a HLZ begging for a mascal sp they can jump in and 9 doesn’t have to rush to the front line to actually heal people since he’s not competing with banshee

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The only things that separates 9 and banshee right now are mobile pack centers, banshee doesn’t have to deal with line medics and can’t fix fractures

lapis abyss
#

yeah nah

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@granite cape H to heal when

regal onyx
edgy raptor
lapis abyss
#

the ultimate one life challenge

wraith wraith
rocky glen
#

i wanna put that in suggestions so bad

naive kayak
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Do it

crimson briar
#

wont work since we use RHS vehicles and RHS had done a update which rendered the mod useless

rocky glen
wraith wraith
crimson briar
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Says it in his mod

regal onyx
crimson briar
#

we used it once in a kt op then never again lol

rocky glen
#

so true kagmic

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id actually play banshee if we had to do CSAR

hazy delta
wraith wraith
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But hatchet and the custom fixed wings would still work, wouldn't they?

regal onyx
naive kayak
tacit pasture
tacit pasture
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The Apache might

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but my personal testing came up to be it being inconsistent

rocky glen
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#1124647926199758899 message @low oak i fully agree but ogre should only be strikeable for negligence, not just vehicle loss and done on a case by case basis

regal onyx
#

I mean If this unnamed person is "refusing to move for cb" then they should be reported but that's just my opinon on the matter. Not to witch hunt or anything

rocky glen
#

fr

grave mauve
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KC: there's a problem and y'all haven't fixed it!

Admins: did you report it?

KC: no

regal onyx
rocky glen
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better to report than not report

grave mauve
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Even if your individual report doesn't lead to anything, if we get a bunch of reports about the same person for the same thing, it still helps

rocky glen
#

frr

grave mauve
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We also will NOT be talking about when/if we ever take action against someone for anything

low oak
grave mauve
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There has to be evidence of refusal to protect the asset, or pure negligence in the role.

Making a mistake, underestimating counter battery, or simply not knowing about CB, are not reasons we would blacklist someone from the role

low oak
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Yeah ik on a single occasion

naive kayak
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Basically, make sure you’re recording

cloud oracle
#

Steelseries moments is my favourite

naive kayak
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its what ive been using

strange meteor
#

Same. Works every time

rocky glen
#

I use medal since all of my clips that date back to 2019 are on there + it can save to my NAS

hazy delta
rocky glen
cobalt frigate
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I had so much clips there and then they made the change to medal

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And all was lost

low oak
rocky glen
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always what i do

gray python
#

I already use additional measurements @zinc aurora

zinc aurora
gray python
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Let me check my list, because im almost positive I have it loaded

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hmm I guess I don't

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I could've sworn I used to use it

zinc aurora
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but i haven't been able to since CS changed the server to whitelist only

zinc aurora
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@lapis oyster #1124647926199758899 message

I don't really agree. I've found it very useful for stalker, and im pretty sure a lot of airbozos used it when it was allowed. Also when we were able to use it on the server, nothing of the sorts happened that I've witnessed.

rocky glen
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i agree w you how the hell am i meant to block angels 12-15 if i can't see feet only km

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and i use a mixture of metric and imperial

zinc aurora
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western aviation is standard in imperial so it's annoying for it to be in metric, especially after people are used to flying in other games

although some people may still prefer metric, which is fine because they could just not load the mod, or have it set to metric

rocky glen
#

(i think you meant metric for that last bit)

lapis oyster
zinc aurora
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it changes only the speed and altitude icon in the corner, it wouldn't affect savage

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dagr and the map would still be in metric

lapis oyster
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Oh.. then yeah I guess it makes sense then 🤔

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That also means that as a 1-8, I need your unit of measurement before you even take off, or I cant route you safely.

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If I now tell someone to hold Angels 8 block 10, it'll now be angels 26 block 32..
Now imagine someone flying 30km up and get shot down by SAM..

cloud oracle
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Please no dont do that

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Use feet

cloud oracle
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In blocks of 1000 feet

odd echo
lapis oyster
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I'm aware, but since Arma doesn't let you change from meters it has always been the measurement used, which is why when I give someone Angels 2, they've been flying at 2000m

cloud oracle
cloud oracle
lapis oyster
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I'm fully aware that angels are feet in blocks of 1000, and cherubs are feet in blocks of 100, but reapers fly in terms of meters because that's all there is...
Same as you don't use NM for distance in arma even though it's correct.

rocky glen
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always feet

cloud oracle
#

You're making me cry brother

rocky glen
zinc aurora
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if only there were a way to let people change from meters to feet

lapis oyster
#

So I'm guessing everyone has been using conversions to interpret their altitude in meters into what I give them in feet?

cloud oracle
#

Yeah..

rocky glen
#

unless specified then i will ask for you not to say angels or cherubs

cloud oracle
rocky glen
lapis oyster
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Like I said, I don't mind the mod, as long as EVERYONE uses it, it can't be an optional mod.

rocky glen
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i am annoyed they removed it

lapis abyss
#

I should probably know this 💀

rocky glen
lapis abyss
#

oh

cloud oracle
lapis abyss
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right

rocky glen
#

tbf ive always heard it as block angels X-Y

lapis oyster
tacit pasture
#

You can convert the measurement pretty quick

cloud oracle
#

Am I tripping

tacit pasture
#

No you aren't

naive kayak
#

Yes, but that’s a separate issue

rocky glen
tacit pasture
#

1000 feet is around 300 metres give or take

cloud oracle
#

If I see a mf using yards or rods or astronomical units do point them out to me

naive kayak
#

I’m gonna tell reaper to fly at 10 premier league pitches

lapis oyster
rocky glen
lapis abyss
cloud oracle
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So if it was added it would just make mental maths less of an issue

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Are people currently going angels 8 and then going 8km?

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Not a passive aggressive thing

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Genuinely curious

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So we can fix that as a community because that's not what we want

lapis oyster
rocky glen
lapis oyster
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And yes I've seen people multiple times flying like 4km up in the air when I give them Angels 4, only to be locked by SAM

cloud oracle
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Oh ಠ⁠_⁠ಠ

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Okay I see what you mean now I get you

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You're saying add it so everyone uses it

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Do that stops happening

lapis oyster
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Yes

rocky glen
#

oh my god i feel so stupid

cloud oracle
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I didn't realise that was a common issue

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That's what I didn't get

rocky glen
#

that's what he meant Kek

agile cypress
#

It happens a lot I always use meters to avoid confusion

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Best way imo

rocky glen
#

NATO/FAA/CAA always use feet as standard

agile cypress
#

In game default is meters though

lapis oyster
#

Now imagine I start specifying distances in NM the proper way, and someone looks 3km away from IP instead of 6, shooting friendlies instead

cloud oracle
#

@magic fable Hey I have a new thing we need to add to the PowerPoint

lapis oyster
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This is why if we're gonna add the ability to change measurements, it should be forced in the basic modpack, and specified in SOP so its not up for interpretation

rocky glen
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more like beg the CS to make additional measurements part of the modlist

tacit pasture
cloud oracle
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Brain wasn't braining that people are being silly with their altitude

lapis oyster
#

Yeah I'm just saying that there is a universal standard in rl aviation for a reason, it can't be up to individual players what they want their measurements to be 😅

naive kayak
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Confused af until they asked if it was in feet or meters

magic fable
#

I am in

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so much pain

magic fable
lapis oyster
magic fable
#

We don’t have to reinvent the wheel or add additional mods because people can’t do maths.

lapis oyster
#

Well then you have issues like today where I'll clear someone up to Angels 8 to do SEAD and they climb to 8km and get shot down loosing the asset

naive kayak
#

cant FAC if no bird

magic fable
# lapis oyster Well then you have issues like today where I'll clear someone up to Angels 8 to ...

I apologize he interrupted our civil discussion.

Anyway, yeah that’s a loss but if your intent was to clear the bird for a ceiling of 8000 feet and the pilot disobeyed that clearance that’s entirely the pilots fault. If you’re utilizing doctrinally correct brevity that is commonly in use in server - and a pilot does not understand and does not ask for clarification - that is entirely the pilots fault and he should be held liable.

rocky glen
#

i feel like you could take that to #❗❗admin

naive kayak
#

i didnt record and at this point i dont remember the names

rocky glen
#

fair

naive kayak
#

and realistically, its not a strikeable offense and i talked to the 8 alpha about what i expected and what was needed and it improved slightly after that but overall was not good

bold harness
agile cypress
#

Ignoring the not understanding of 8km vs Angels 8 they still must’ve flown way too close to die to a Sam

bold harness
#

me personally my head and brain fails when i try to use feet an NM , so i just use km/m

magic fable
#

Disappointing. Profoundly disappointing.

rocky glen
bold harness
#

Me personally i just use over there system

tacit pasture
#

@zinc aurora It’s in the optional mod list

rocky glen
#

It should be required is what he means

tacit pasture
#

bro needs to edit his post

cobalt frigate
#

I don't understand why we even have such a major mod as an optional, same with HMD mods. Why not just make them a standard part of the modlist?

edgy raptor
#

not everyone flies. why put extra burden from a mod on someones pc that is never going to use it?

agile cypress
#

all crows guns work with it

edgy raptor
#

Let me reword it then. There are people who play infantry only. forcing them to include a mod they will never use its just adding more to their system

hazy delta
#

Everyone uses it

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Even line

agile cypress
hazy delta
#

Cant see sparkle from shadow without it

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soo

agile cypress
#

also that ^

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not being able to see sparkle is a massive issue

edgy raptor
agile cypress
edgy raptor
#

It is optional for a reason. Not everyone needs it

rocky glen
#

"not everyone needs it" only 90-95% of people but alr

agile cypress
#

harpy also needs it for their vehicles, stinger pods also can use it

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everyone should be using those

rocky glen
#

In my opinion it should completely override default arma thermals with the "N" keybind rather than be a different bind, save for the Javelin CLU that needs default thermals to lock (for some reason).

zinc aurora
#

being unable to see that can be very detrimental

ebon gyro
ebon gyro
edgy raptor
zinc aurora
edgy raptor
regal onyx
tacit pasture
#

It needs persistent zeus to make it work too I heard

warped quest
#

Ahhh I blame Bullet

rocky glen
#

literally had 0,0 red air spawn and it does nothing

snow grove
#

the iron dome? yea ive heard the kajman spawns below the Sea Sparrow so its not able to engage, but also it could be the iron dome got nuked before. a cwis on the beach prolly could take down a couple kajmans with enough ammo

gray python
#

The iron dome has it's target depression locked at 30 degrees and above, and which means the helicopter has to be flying pretty much above it to fire

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When they spawn far, the iron dome is simply unable to look down to the degree that is needed to fire

snow grove
#

is there a specific reason we use the Iron Dome over vanilla? I placed the vanilla Mk49 Spartan and Praetorian 1C on a hill near Ops & they had -25 degrees depression on targets from 0,0 albeit they dumped missiles till 1 impacted, they killed everything

regal onyx
rocky glen
#

it's v weird

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wish we just had the air defense VLS with sea sparrows

gray python
strange meteor
# snow grove is there a specific reason we use the Iron Dome over vanilla? I placed the vanil...

It has a lot to do with the background work Fleur did a long while ago to make the Iron Dome do the correct math's to intercept incoming fires reliably.

It also has a lot to do with the mindset for Lib that Richy mentioned: they want manned things doing the brunt of the work. They don't like automated stuff unless there's no other way to do it, hence iron dome. A long time ago it used to have a range of 10km, but it was cut back to 6km for balance reasons.

snow grove
#

yea rog, im proding if its possible to upgrade the Ops Base Iron Dome so the bug causing the Kajman's to spawn behind us at 0,0 becomes no threat to the EWR which constantly gets hit whenever built at ops base

gray python
#

The iron dome when it works is quite good, it's just that requires a very specific set of circumstances and positioning for that to occur

snow grove
cobalt frigate
#

and please add the grip variant of the urgi

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they're availabe in the ace arsenal

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and tan mags 👀

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for the ultimate cag factor

strange meteor
zinc aurora
#

@cloud slate #1124647926199758899 message

I mean CS probably would just remove it, but the MK18 urgi is cool and im unhappy I don't get to use it.\

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afaik all they have to do is add a rail attachment and it'd be fixed

lapis abyss
#

@lapis oyster we are using W28 which uses some aspects of 3DMA plus is a lot better

lapis abyss
#

oh also we tried using 3DMA before and it made the server lag because it's all high poly

lapis oyster
#

Damn.. Yeah I have some "cursed" mods locally that Im not supposed to have that are high poly af.. they are so damn beautiful...
But ofcourse thats in SP and it doesnt really lag.

grave mauve
#

Ya @lapis oyster we tried 3DMA both for Lib and for KOG. The models are not optimized very well for Arma 3.

During testing, we had an average 10-30 fps drop when there were like 4 or 5 of those scrim helmets within your view

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It's better now, but it even says it in the workshop page. The models are not optimized and will cause performance issues when a lot are used

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There's a reason mods like RHS use lower poly assets

lilac yacht
warped quest
#

You will take your double GL and like it

odd echo
#

US Army Grenadiers have them attached to their rifle officially

zinc aurora
#

last time we ran us army we had that option I'm pretty sure

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this is anecdotal but irl afaik most guys prefer it separate so there's not a massive weight on the front of their gun

cobalt frigate
#

@zinc aurora i know that might be a shitty solution but if you put a bipod on it he holds it properly

zinc aurora
#

i guess

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crimson briar
#

The bipod has a angled grip that goes with it as well

#

It’s like 2 in 1

glad field
#

@cobalt frigate #1124647926199758899 message i would prefer most have access only to the underslung... ive seen issues in the past that when people have the M320 they will just lob 40 HE into a point for little reason.. when it's on the gun it encourages them to switch and shoot bullets instead... you can though get a M320 in the general resupplies that SLs, PLs and Ogres pull. I think it would be best to get that as opposed to give everyone the option

agile cypress
#

having one as a secondary is much nicer than having one on your main gun imo and its annoying that you cant get a gun without one

rocky glen
#

i think the M320 is easier to aim with

sinful sable
#

eh, if I am ever grenadier, I just use the M320 anyway, rarely bother even carrying a rifle

crimson briar
#

You will love your rifle and your rifle will love you

lapis abyss
#

bro is ghosting me

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💀

sinful sable
#

hell, when I am 1-6, I usually grab my M320 and my MGL to have more flares as well as the 6rnd HE as needed

crimson briar
lapis abyss
sinful sable
#

so yea, double GL is a real thing and it's awesome
bullets are weak(unless it's phantom), 40mm explosion is not

rocky glen
#

id much rather have a rifle + M320

bold harness
sinful sable
#

I very rarely do

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It's the 1-in-a billion chance
(Far more likely to slot Demon, Shadow, Butcher, Harpy and Phantom when available as roles)

lapis abyss
sinful sable
#

Reaper is assumed unless it's an alaska

bold harness
sinful sable
#

Eh, just natural
Don't wanna fly something I dont like

low oak
#

Ogre doesnt get the new M4s?

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tacit pasture
#

Do they really need them?

#

those do the job if you get into contact

low oak
odd echo
#

You will receive your boom boom stick and be happy with it. You can try bugging the qm but he wont be happy

bold harness
odd echo
#

Consider yourself lucky you got IHPS instead of ACHs

regal onyx
cobalt frigate
#

IHPS doesn't have the cool IR strobe

naive kayak
odd echo
regal onyx
odd echo
#

Nahhhh

low oak
bold harness
#

boonies is the biggest W this campaign

hazy delta
bold harness
#

No protection but atleast u look cool

hazy delta
#

just dont get shot lol 😂

bold harness
#

Real

opaque shore
#

drip >>>> protection

bold harness
zinc aurora
cobalt frigate
cloud slate
#

Black Beanie w/ Comtac also looks cool

naive kayak
odd echo
#

No bleeding wounds anywhere except severe head lacerations from shrapnel

naive kayak
#

mans bypasses the uncon and goes straight back to fob

#

4d chess move

granite cape
low oak
#

More so a question why don’t we get any of the Ramp gunner variants of helicopters we have, like the chinook and when we occasionally have the stallion.

bold harness
odd echo
#

Kind of fun concept but anything below gwot levels of tech just drops pop

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also

#

as you mentioned youd need someone to write the story and a submod-developer

#

if you're willing to pay for those then I guess it could be done. But atm general admin staff is on the lower side and nobody would do that for free

#

Theres only 2 people who know how to work the lib code and they're already busy enough with irl + making the next map always ahead which does take a long time too

cobalt frigate
odd echo
#

thats the only difference but I personally hated Vietnam and ive voiced my opininon a good few times why

#

all the "og veteran" players left too and the playerbase was replaced almost completely by inexperienced people

#

I dont mind going back to nam for 1 map again every now and then

agile cypress
#

i would rather do ww2 than more vietnam

odd echo
#

but please never again more than 2 in a row

bold harness
odd echo
#

just not the lib I started playing for

hazy delta
cobalt frigate
cobalt frigate
bold harness
cobalt frigate
#

And I regret it so much

opaque shore
cobalt frigate
#

From what I heard Fallujah was all battalion assets that respawned on every restart

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That's a dream gameplay

bold harness
#

And i still do

odd echo
#

I like gwot+ lib because its more than squad

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instead of brainless wave pushes with just being in a platoon blob file to obj from a pb

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over and over again

#

you can (if you try) do tactics due to the radios and ctab

hazy delta
tacit pasture
#

GWOT was peak

regal onyx
#

Real I hope we do something like it in the future

sinful sable
#

I mean, it was peak partially because it was so lax

agile cypress
#

@harpy @harpy @harpy @harpy @harpy @harpy @harpy @harpy

rocky glen
#

well if they dont want to be pinged dont get the role

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simple

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i think it's something we should've done yesterday

zinc aurora
#

i'd be willing since you don't know if a harpy actually needed

rocky glen
#

same

zinc aurora
#

you're either critical to the survival of assets, or you just sit on a hill forever

zealous dagger
rocky glen
#

fr

hazy delta
rocky glen
zinc aurora
regal onyx
low oak
grave mauve
naive kayak
grave mauve
#

@lethal edge We have tried several mods that try and help AI shooting through folliage. Unfortunately the outcome of pretty much all of them is that AI just don't shoot at all

rocky glen
#

@agile cypress

agile cypress
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its maxed out

rocky glen
#

wtf

low oak
#

Vehicles are cheap, make it battalion and we’re going to have what has already been happening this map WITHOUT it which is Banshee being a frontline combat medic, if it’s not battalion there’s more accountability for it

cobalt frigate
#

Legs are not a fast way of transport so you kinda have to be relatively close to the front line to help anyone lol

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good luck running to a mascas 1klik away

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by the time you get there everyone is dead

snow grove
#

#1124647926199758899 message @umbral glacier I agree it might be easy for Butcher to wipe EI on points and maybe they should have their Anti-Infantry weaponary reduced espeically for the Bradley. But the ground based BGs that roll onto our points come with like 6 tanks and Butcher is great at eliminating them but highly vulnerable during those situations

rocky glen
#

they shouldnt be firing HE into civ points btw

hazy delta
#

they can if they get permission

rocky glen
#

well yeah if its needed but still

raven frigate
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We dont have abrams as bat

zealous dagger
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We do

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I’m pretty sure

bright bane
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we dont

zealous dagger
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Oh then my bad

zinc aurora
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afaik it got eaten by restart

bright bane
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it was for 1 restart

zealous dagger
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But yes let mev be battalion

umbral glacier
cerulean niche
umbral glacier
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CA exists because armor cannot stomp everything in its way alone

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Unlike here

odd echo
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Thats purely inf job

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Idk what youre experiencing but the line squads ive had on are struggling and taking masscas within just small villages. Without armor support thats going to be even worse

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I think the balance is quite fair atm. Forests can hide an entire squad from butcher's view and we've had them surprise our inf push. There's CQB within OBJs. Armor is able to effectively deal with enemy armor and majority of inf outside the objective so yall can move in to kick some doors

hazy delta
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Real

rocky glen
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also using butcher as rolling cover has proven successful for me at least

bold harness
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Plus theres tons of enemy bgs spawning and red air

rocky glen
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yeah those weird soviet C-47 clones i cannot ID for the life of me

sinful sable
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It's fine, just remember that chevy never exists and then shoot them all down

regal onyx
rocky glen
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oh that's so funny

low oak
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#1124647926199758899 message this is just punishing the bad players even more, experienced players More AT doesnt make a difference and they'll, "wipe a point" from a safe position and this AT will only effect ground forces like INF and Banshee vehicles etc, they still get AT, The red air still hurts armour

gray python
zinc aurora
zealous dagger
low oak
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That’s besides the point……

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Why slot at all, “Add phantom security” was something ages ago probably, you gonna just say slot an infantry slot?

hazy delta
zealous dagger
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Wouldn’t make sense to give phantom a random infantry but giving a butcher another butcher member is because they are the same role

glad field
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in terms of more slots for X or Y, if anything I think we should be removing specialised asset slots, merging wraith and butcher together... in order to promote infantry gameplay more. you get 30+ guys on at the moment and can't fill a single line squad

sinful sable
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Damn, it's a town of supports

agile cypress
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removing the slots wont make people play inf more

hazy delta
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Real

tacit pasture
glad field
sinful sable
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But yea, nobody is gonna be enticed to play Infantry if there's fewer specialised slots
You are just gonna see more of them fill up instead

agile cypress
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having specalist roles that are unpermed like wraith is great imo

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it is something other than inf for people to do who are new

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and if you dont have perms to do anything else its a nice break and introduction into other things to do on lib

sinful sable
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See, the real fix is giving Infantry and command all their old tools that were split off to make these new roles

tacit pasture
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nah

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more fun this way

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bring back dismounts it was always a vibe

agile cypress
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goblin stryker so cheap its best thing to use it for

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150 0 150 rn

tacit pasture
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wat

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Thats just Goblin dismounts

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Stryker = Goblin Barrel?

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let me cook

agile cypress
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brain rot game

ebon gyro
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@potent sinew

#1124647926199758899 message

100% would make so Shade will be used all map and not just the beginning. There's no reason to slot in Shade when we have Savage assets, because (normally) all prospective artillery helpers will just go ahead and slot Savage.

That and arguably it would be easier for a single person to operate a mortar tube compared to a M777.

naive kayak
half stone
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All combat is carried out in Humvees and on foot as infantry with artillery support only

sinful sable
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sounds pretty boring

half stone
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Infantry focused server

trail sigil
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Cynic right now

agile cypress
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infantry focused not infantry only

agile cypress
half stone
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If there is an issue with not being able to fill up infantry squads because too many people want to play non-infantry roles, start scaling back the non-infantry roles

snow grove
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But that wouldn’t fix it. Deniland in specific is massive and wide open, perfect for support assets

half stone
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You can also redistribute those slots to infantry adjacent roles, like more Shade teams

snow grove
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Vietnam on the other hand forced knife fight engagements. The balance swings dependent on the AO, I think admins will hopefully have something different and refreshing planned for the next map

regal onyx
half stone
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Who knows

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Maybe it should be an armor focused server instead

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Just a company of Abrams and Bradleys with an attached rotary squadron

snow grove
half stone
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I mean, I don't know what kind of sugar coated answer you're looking to hear lol

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potent sinew
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i dont disagree with cynics opinions but his solutions tend to be off the charts

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half stone
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People are saying that there are too many people slotting asset roles, line squads aren't being filled, infantry gameplay is boring and not challenging right now, but you don't want them to increase the difficulty or change the gameplay loop, and complain about some things being too hard or too difficult

potent sinew
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i'd agree with a reduction in armor and air assets, battlegroups would have to be nerfed to support the change

snow grove
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No, I agree that there’s a severe lack of Infantry rn, but we just got out of Vietnam and people can roll butcher now. There’s many factors that lead to this situation, it’s gonna happen, good to bring up and hopefully the AO can be adjusted. Maybe more ground vehicles, giving more AT to squads, and potentially just better more fun gear

half stone
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The battlegroup composition would most likely be shifted to motorized infantry formations

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Light skinned vics for transportation and heavy MG weapons

snow grove
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Yea it’s a little tough even for the Abram’s to engage a BG solo now, that should be escalated further up late game

half stone
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I've said it time and time again, focus on addressing any BGs that show up to reduce enemy awareness

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The higher the awareness, the scarier shit they send

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No one wants to do that, though, so you keep getting BGs sent loaded to the gills with max enemy awareness

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Low enemy awareness gets things like GAZs with infantry thrown at you

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Max enemy awareness are BTR-80As and ERA'd T-90s

snow grove
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Yea, make that a suggestion please

half stone
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It's not a suggestion, it's been part of the Liberation gameplay for awhile

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It's simply that no one wants to call off attacks or plans to take out BGs

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This isn't something new lol

potent sinew
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well being in the middle of an assault and having to completely pull off sucks

snow grove
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Well we’re getting slammed with tanks 24/7 even from the start. Idek if that’s scripted to have smaller BGs

potent sinew
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i wish BGs had like a 30 minute to an hour warning

half stone
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The only suggestion that I might make would be to increase the amount of awareness lowered with BG elimination

regal onyx
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Ngl I've never seen awareness go down from stopping a bg

half stone
half stone
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Rarely have they been hunted down to complete destruction

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There are usually a handful of survivors lingering around, and if they're not eliminated, that BG isn't destroyed

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That is a major reason why sending a single squad to try and stop them is rather ineffective

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If you're lucky, they may prevent a BG from taking a point, but they'll never wipe them out, and you'll never get the benefit of reducing enemy awareness

snow grove
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Well I guess we’re gonna need support assets to eliminate these tank rushes on deniland sadge

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That’s cool to know, i never really understood liberation game knowledge besides take point to be stronk

agile cypress
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we've lost like 1 point to the bgs so far they are not that bad

half stone
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Every point taken raises enemy awareness lol

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There used to be other mechanics to lower enemy awareness, but unfortunately they're broken in Lib's spaghetti code

potent sinew
half stone
potent sinew
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fun>realism
if you can combine the two great

naive kayak
potent sinew
naive kayak
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then increaseenemy air assets!

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the amount or air roles we have i think is a good balance, we just need the enemy to balance it out

potent sinew
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balancing the enemy over a bunch of apaches, abrams, and bradleys makes things worse for the infantry

snow grove
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We seriously don’t have any air assets right now. Stalker should not be getting to used to jinking MiGs. I think it’s at a good place till reaper becomes available

naive kayak
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we have apaches

snow grove
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They have thermoberic hellfires to my knowledge, they can’t even kill a tank

naive kayak
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im pretty sure they can but cant hit em in the front, i could be wrong

agile cypress
snow grove
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Yea the demon I was working with were struggling to lock their sensors onto the tank, the gunner had to manually slew the missiles which didn’t help

snow grove
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Distance from Ops Base to AO is making Little Bird runs a little tiring, flying so slow and having to refuel after 2 trips

bold harness
snow grove
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Do you know if the current has it or do we have to buy one?

bold harness
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it does

snow grove
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Nice, I’m hopeful

magic fable
potent sinew
craggy turtle
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It's better to have shade with a 60 than no shade at all

odd echo
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wdym the 60 is awesome

craggy turtle
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I never said it sucks, having shade is better than not having shade

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the 60 itself is awesome

potent sinew
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ye

snow grove
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I pray the Operator knows to check charge

potent sinew
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we already have to with the 81m and triple 7

snow grove
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Yes but the 60mm is gonna be much closer to friendly lines and wrong charge will more likely impact friendlies

craggy turtle
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true

snow grove
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There might be a reason it hasn’t been employed

odd echo
tacit pasture
potent sinew
regal onyx
potent sinew
odd echo
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By the will of the Omnissiah, I plead for the tube's Machine Spirit to accept the correct charge, and propel the munition towards thy enemies

potent sinew
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but anyway my main point is shade should be able to deploy if savage is able to

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even with 81m

craggy turtle
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Blessed be the Omnissiah!

craggy turtle
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but still

snow grove
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Or the mortar tube needs a loader

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Idk it’s loads of fun using it from a FOB and just plunking rounds at battle groups

potent sinew
lapis abyss
agile cypress
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@digital otter welcome to arma

craggy turtle
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yup, welcome to arma, 25-30 fps is about normal and what I get even in bigger operations

rocky glen
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you guys are getting 25 fps? im jealous

craggy turtle
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might get like 80 if I'm at FOB but 20-30 when op starts

craggy turtle
agile cypress
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also this map is wayyy smoother than last

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for me at least

rocky glen
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same

agile cypress
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performance has been great this map

rocky glen
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i was getting maddd frames

craggy turtle
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haven't payed attention to fps for me but god damn it's nice to not have thick forest 24/7

agile cypress
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deniland is pretty good there arent crazy amounts of objects

sinful sable
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FPS has been pretty good on my end

rocky glen
agile cypress
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its chenarus + takistan assets or vanilla pretty much

sinful sable
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the things I'd done earlier also worked but I did run into a few issues so hopefully I find a good software for GPU control to rectify that

agile cypress
half stone
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I mean

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We could also play vanilla Liberation with the vanilla game and get much better performance

hazy delta
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wrong gif blud

strange meteor
agile cypress
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this map with the reduced armoured vics on objs i've shot at more helis than ground vics with the jav lol

half stone
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@digital otter #1124647926199758899 message If you really feel that you have legitimate ways to address any performance issues, you can always try contact the CSs directly and see if they'll hear you out

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Since, you know, you're removing your messages and all lol

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Community Staff roles

regal onyx
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Community Staff, the yellow people (specifically Beans/Barrett)

half stone
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The bananas

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Then go talk to them if you feel you have practical solutions

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Message one of them and see what they come back with lol

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I'm not a banana

lapis abyss