what do you even plug in capture cards
#💻-building-a-pc
static pecan
Some are USB 3 like the HD60 S other's are PCIe and plug directly into the mobo on your PC
calm forge
thats cheaper than the hd60 s on the elgato website
static pecan
calm forge
Some are USB 3 like the HD60 S other's are PCIe and plug directly into the mobo on your PC
@static pecan anything else?
like
idk
static pecan
What do you mean anything else?
calm forge
like
hdmi cables or something
or like
idk
i have absolutely no clue when it comes to capture cards
static pecan
All of them use HDMI to transfer video signal
crimson scroll
avermedia, blackmagic design, razer
calm forge
thanks
molten basalt
i should upgrade to an intel Pentium
crimson scroll
https://www.testufo.com/ @mellow ferry @molten basalt
mellow ferry
ty
noble oak
Don’t mind this question but do I have to wait in line a micro center? I heard some of my friends said they just walked in
And if you guys been to micro center lately you can gladly answer
gilded frost
I’m going to upgrade to an AMD athlon
@noble oak Haven’t been there recently but you shouldn’t have too. are you going there to get something repaired? Otherwise you should probably stick with online unless you’re impatient
crimson scroll
on launch days you'll have to wait in line, otherwise you generally don't
fluid fern
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xRHccT hey could somebody look at this and make sure it's not completely terrible? This is my first time just trying to throw something together and I don't know if it'll work.
crimson scroll
it's not terrible but there are some odd choices
nzxt cases are famously anti airflow, i would pick one of the ones from here:
or if you don't like the look of any of those we can find a different one, there are some other ones that are also good
the 3600x is not worth a purchase over the 3600, unless the prices are the same. Zen 3 is also releasing in about two weeks so i would wait for that.
You don't need the h100i for a 3600/3600x, you can get a much cheaper cooler or even stick with stock
fluid fern
thanks for the advice!
crimson scroll
the memory is fine, the ssd is dramless but has hmb so it's okay, at the price too
and i would personally avoid msi products
their b550 line has a lot of high price/performance parts but the company is bad
fluid fern
oh ok
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HtYsJf how would you say it's looking now?
Although I'm not really loving the look of the case I chose
crimson scroll
you have two cpu coolers on there
crimson scroll
for similar cooling and aesthetic i'd look at id cooling
it's cheaper
the b550m ds3h is not great, maybe look at the pro4 b550m
and if you don't like the look of the case but like the look of the nzxt ones, consider the nr600
it looks similar but has a mesh front and has good thermals
fluid fern
Oh I like that one a lot more
crimson scroll
3300x if you can find it
fluid fern
ryzen 3 3300x
crimson scroll
or 10100
fluid fern
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NnVVYg so the price isn't very accurate at all, but how's the build looking now?
crimson scroll
better
fluid fern
If I can't get the 3070 I'm thinking about getting the 1660 super, is that a good idea?
gilded frost
Budget reasons , or stock?
fluid fern
stock
gilded frost
When are you planning to get the rig?
fluid fern
not all at once, although a family member offered to buy me a graphics card around christmas and that's why I'm worried about stock
I'm planning on buying it over time and putting it together once I get it all
gilded frost
Oh , you should be golden by then
fluid fern
cool
gilded frost
Don’t mark my words though, but it is a few months off.
fluid fern
yeah for sure
gilded frost
I’m assuming you’d go for a 60 super so later down the road when the 70 comes back on stock you can get it?
fluid fern
I'll probably do that actually
I didn't remember that I could just upgrade my graphics card lmao
fluid fern
yeah for sure
gilded frost
I was going to say , what was your initial thought?
On swapping out a 3070 for a 60 super, I thought you were doing it for the reason I explained
fluid fern
oh, the only reason the 60 super was involved was as a fallback for stock issues and stuff
if i could get a 70 for sure then i def would
crimson scroll
should wait for benchmarks
fluid fern
yeah that's true
crimson scroll
i would not look for that to be true anymore, they're competing more on quality and not so much on price
especially on the cpu end
fluid fern
anyways it's like 3 am, thanks for all the help with this, but i need to sleep
crimson scroll
the lowest announced zen 3 chip is $300
gilded frost
As seen on the cpu end agreed
This might be different since they killed intel with there last zen. For gpu’s they have to catch up
Marketing for CPU’s, bargaining for gpus
viral echo
3300x if you can find it
@crimson scroll how’d u know I couldn’t find it
it’s not on part picker
gilded frost
OOS
viral echo
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7CGQVc
give me tips on what to add/remove this is my first setup
gilded frost
3300x with a 1650?
What’s your budget @viral echo ?
Actually maybe reject can help, I’m going to get some sleep, 5 in the morning
robust juniper
gilded frost
Seems fine
sly grotto
Noice 👌
devout wolf
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7CGQVc
give me tips on what to add/remove this is my first setup
@viral echo 3300x and ds3h wifi kinda don't exist rn
ryzen hates that ram, and get dual channel
maybe cheaper ssd
a case which pulls air from this dimension
and a better psu
calm forge
lmao
technically i can drill into the front panel and make it mesh
and then add a dust filter on the inside of it
crimson scroll
...ok
gilded frost
Lot of extra work for something you could cough a few extra bucks up for
calm forge
nah
gilded frost
Your choice not mine
calm forge
ssssssss
gilded frost
I don’t see the point behind it
gilded frost
Ticking bomb
calm forge
yes ik
thats why im gonna be drilling some tiny holes into the front panel
for somewhat better airflow
crimson scroll
there are h510 mesh mods already out there
i'd watch videos on that and replace the front instead of drilling holes
calm forge
o
viral echo
what dual channel is good around 120
crimson scroll
that's so vague
gilded frost
You might screw something up, no pun intended, and because you’re going to have to re wire your fans and a radiator if you have one
crimson scroll
for 16gb you can get decent dual channel ram, 3200cl16, for around 60 bucks
gilded frost
Look on his list, there’s a few of them
BH, Amazon, New Egg
OWC
He’s new to pc building I’d presume e
calm forge
b & h?
crimson scroll
it's a retailer
calm forge
yeah ik
crimson scroll
easily googleable
gilded frost
Amazon and new egg are usually the go too for online parts
calm forge
yeah
gilded frost
Agreed
crimson scroll
and newegg has gone downhill ever since their acquisition
gilded frost
Best Buy over prices their products, not that they do much sale anymore anyways
They also only sell up to 2060’s and Ryzen 7’s in person
crimson scroll
i would recommend also checking manufacturer sites
gilded frost
I believe anyways, that’s how it is around here
crimson scroll
places like the WD store can get you severe discounts if you factor in new account/student benefits
gilded frost
Especially for the accessories of a pc, a quad cast mic is 300 on new egg, 140 on hyper x’s website, though it’s very frequently sold out on hyper x’s side
crimson scroll
I do wish there was more competition for newegg and amazon, microcenter has an online store but it's limited
viral echo
He’s new to pc building I’d presume e
@gilded frost i have never touched a pc
calm forge
..
gilded frost
Guessing you did a little bit of research before putting those parts on a list?
@viral echo Do you have a budget you’re strictly following?
viral echo
alr
gilded frost
@calm forge Yeah then you can pay the extra 200
calm forge
@calm forge Yeah then you can pay the extra 200
@gilded frost yeah
merry dew
Hi. I was planning on getting a Intel NUC NUC8i5BEH, but I need to get some RAM and a m.2 ssd to it. I am from finland, and I will not:
-order from abroad
-order from jimms or order online
Thanks in forehand.
gilded frost
Does Amazon operate there? By operate I mean, do they have a war house or any sort there
@viral echo I’ll try and update it for you at around your budget
viral echo
alright
crimson scroll
what are you using the nuc for? how much storage and ram do you need?
merry dew
Its a home theatre
and Itll stream movies to my tv
i dont need much since that is only for the os
calm forge
yeah but what does he plan to use the pc for
gilded frost
Yeah forgot about that one
crimson scroll
also i have issues with that list
a gigabyte OC 1660s is about 30 bucks more expensive. drop the b450 tomahawk max, get a b550m pro4 for cheaper, change the ram to tforce vulcan or similar for cheaper and probably better bins than the corsair
viral echo
Yeah forgot about that one
@gilded frost im not even going for hard core gaming/streaming, i just need a PC that have good frames with siege, COD, max chunk MC, and roblox without lagging during discord screenshare
gilded frost
I got the max just in case he was to upgrade to maybe a Lower tier AMD processor in the future
viral echo
thats y my budget isnt that high
gilded frost
A Macintosh could run roblox smoothly
viral echo
yea
me on my work laptop already runs 300 frames on certain games
with lowest graphics]
gilded frost
I need to rephrase
crimson scroll
also what i suggested was a b550 board
gilded frost
A lower tier processor of next zen AMD
crimson scroll
which...would support more or equal upgrades compared to a max board
gilded frost
Touché
crimson scroll
also zen 3 is last generation on am4 so
gilded frost
Others are priced at $150
toxic raftBOT
Donsta#9443 has been warned
crimson scroll
decent number of fan headers, decent vrm, certainly enough for anything he wants to do
gilded frost
AsRock*
crimson scroll
yeah, asrock
gilded frost
Swapped out the ram as well with Vulcan, stills, Bit over budget, I could swap the power supply with a non modular, or downgrade the 2tb HDD to a single TB. Micro ATX cases don’t get much cheaper, if at all, then the MID ATX up there
crimson scroll
i hate how pcpp doesn't show me prices for a lot of things
gilded frost
OOS , most of them anyways
merry dew
so can someone help me with the nuc
crimson scroll
Donsta asked you about amazon in finland
merry dew
not possible
closest is germany
and i wont order so that it gets ''delivered''
since it takes ages
I will much rather go to a physical store
crimson scroll
well, i don't know anything about physical computer hardware stores in finland, sorry
merry dew
gigantti power verkkokauppa etc...
gilded frost
Neither do I. It would be easier if you could name some
I take that back it would not be easier
merry dew
just did
crimson scroll
lmao
gilded frost
Lol
crimson scroll
well, i'd look at a single stick of 8gb 2400 sodimm first, see if that's good enough for your streaming
and since it's just an OS drive you could probably slap in a cheap vulcan 2.5" drive that has dram
crimson scroll
okay, what reason
merry dew
since I have a 2.5'' drive for storage
crimson scroll
okay
crimson scroll
i'd look at this, pick a drive that has either dram or hmb
and comes in 128gb variants
crimson scroll
it's not a complete list so your stores may have some inventory that's not there
viral echo
@gilded frost some of my friends are saying the previous intel cores are better because only ryzen 9th gen are good rn
idk if thats true or not since yknow not a pc person
crimson scroll
it depends on what you're doing with your system
also ryzen 9th gen doesn't exist
some things about your terminology, i think you mean intel CPUs, not intel cores
gilded frost
We’ll be under before 9th gen Ryzen realeases
crimson scroll
ryzen 9 processors are a thing, but they're a specific product line and don't indicate a generation
crimson scroll
your friends are misinformed
but context really does matter, it depends on what tasks you do
gilded frost
Only thing intel is good at is their over clocking, which got blown away by AMD in their new 5000 series announcement. 6ghz max over clocking.
crimson scroll
I wouldn't say that's the only thing intel is good at
gilded frost
Stability, stock
crimson scroll
they're plenty good at gaming
viral echo
it depends on what you're doing with your system
@crimson scroll uh just minor shit like cod siege mc roblox
gilded frost
Yeah, but they get knocked off by the higher tier Ryzen processors
calm forge
what processor
crimson scroll
they trade blows in specific applications like premiere, although ryzen has pulled ahead now on the very high end
calm forge
are you using
crimson scroll
also how can you say intel gets knocked off by higher tier ryzen in gaming
you can't compare unreleased parts using first party benchmarks
to current parts
gilded frost
Ryzen 9 and 7
crimson scroll
those aren' t better in gaming
gilded frost
Maybe the 9
crimson scroll
at an equivalent price point, intel is better than ryzen in gaming
calm forge
intel has the lead in terms in gaming
crimson scroll
on the high end, intel has the larger ceiling
gilded frost
For now
gilded frost
What happened to the i9 10980XE?
crimson scroll
that's what we're talking about
gilded frost
Never hear any word about it
crimson scroll
you can't say that intel isn't good at anything, and once i say something that intel is good at, you say "oh, that's just for now"
yeah some of intel's product choices have been very questionable
the x299 lineup for example
viral echo
what happens if i make the refresh rate of my 60 hz monitor higher
than its supposed to
crimson scroll
you can get flickering
it's definitely possible to overclock monitors, some do it better than others
viral echo
o
crimson scroll
how were you planning on making your refresh rate higher than the manufacturer presets
crimson scroll
look into CRU
viral echo
CRU?
crimson scroll
Custom Resolution Utility
viral echo
is it something i install
crimson scroll
yeah
crimson scroll
you use it in combination with the amd or nvidia control panel
crimson scroll
you can use the system settings to do it too then
using display adapter properties
devout wolf
hhhhh pcpp is annoying
search is broken now
half the things don't show up anymore, have to use filters and ctrl+f
crimson scroll
yep
calm forge
rip
viral echo
why do people who use 2 sticks of ram seperate them
crimson scroll
what do you mean separate them
cedar herald
for dual channel
crimson scroll
for better performance
viral echo
oh
what happens if u put 2 different dual channel ram companies together
or like
types of ram
idf
k
calm forge
do you mean like
devout wolf
depends
devout wolf
and voltage and memory chips
calm forge
^
devout wolf
which ones exactly??
viral echo
uhh
viral echo
whats this mean
devout wolf
just don't bother
calm forge
they have 2 types of vengeance ram
devout wolf
get matching sticks
calm forge
vengeance lpx
and just vengeance
but yeah its better if you just got matching sticks
devout wolf
there are more types of vengeance
devout wolf
vengeance rgb and vengeance pro rgb
calm forge
yeha
viral echo
oh
crimson scroll
everything will just run at the lowest rated speed
is it a good idea? usually not
you're more likely to get better clocks by running stuff that was meant to be run together
in some extreme cases the ram might not cooperate at all
but it's not like it'll break your system
merry dew
@crimson scroll
Kingston HyperX Impact 8 Gt(2 x 4 Gt) DDR4 2400 MHz CL14 SODIMM
will this work with the nuc
crimson scroll
yeah, it should
merry dew
and Itll run smoothly?
crimson scroll
yeah
merry dew
and not like garbage
viral echo
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gnpVdm is this good
crimson scroll
2400 is the max supported by the nuc anyways
crimson scroll
it's ... fine?
it's sodimm so generally it's not as fast as normal ddr4 desktop ram
also maleb that list is mediocre
for about the same price you can get 5 arctic p12 fans
viral echo
o
crimson scroll
the 2060 for 350 is a bad purchase
vengeance memory is mediocre at hitting rated speeds
and yuck, msi
viral echo
lmao
this is my friends setup
all my friends getting setups all of a sudden
like 4-5 of my friends
built their PCs last monthj
crimson scroll
nice
viral echo
im just tryna get one too lol
ive been on xbox since i was 5
it cuts wayyyyy too many frames
and skips
merry dew
Wait does the nuc come with integrated graphics?
so bad with the knowledge about these things
@crimson scroll
crimson scroll
of course
how else would you get display out
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/boards-kits/nuc/kits/nuc8i5beh.html the product page lists everything
you'll notice under expansion options there are no normal pcie express slots, only lanes assigned to the m.2 slot
merry dew
ok
crimson scroll
and it lists that the cpu has iris plus 655 graphics
merry dew
so it will work with 1 2.5'' hdd and the m.2 ssd
crimson scroll
yeah
crimson scroll
i would not support kinguin or g2a or any of those sites
especially for game keys, what happens is people will steal credit cards, buy keys, then sell them on the marketplaces. Eventually the people who got their cards stolen will find out and issue chargebacks, which hurts the devs of the games
and with OS keys you run into a grey market issue where you don't know where it came from
You can just use windows with a watermark for free
merry dew
''with a watermark''
its their own fault that the os costs a bazillion dollars
they deserve the grey market loss
again, 50€ would be reasonable
but no these vampires take 120€
I have one myself - will it work?
crimson scroll
I took an intro level class on the very very basics of the start of an OS
and it was very hard
you have to remember the price of the OS isn't just the current features
it's also R&D
and look at apple's ecosystem, their OS makes up a big portion of the cost as well
I don't like how expensive it is either but i'm not going to encourage potentially illegal activities because i don't like the price
If we were talking about something life threatening like insulin medication being super jacked up in the US, maybe
merry dew
i still doubt that they would lose their margin of profit by going under 50€
and didnt they say this is their last os?
well
then that should cost less to develop
= lower price
well what can you do the owner has a net worth of 92 billion
static pecan
They also said Windows 10 would be the OS that could run a literal potato PC and look how that turned out lmao
merry dew
exactly
crimson scroll
none of that justifies stealing
merry dew
really dgaf about how well microsoft does
all thats enough to know is that a wireless aa battery mouse costs 15€
and the manufacturing costs lay at 15 cents prolly
crimson scroll
if it's AA, you can buy it from any brand...
nobody says you have to buy it from microsoft if it's standardized
merry dew
yeah but it tells something
crimson scroll
about what? microsoft being greedy? i don't disagree with that
and you can choose not to support that
that doesn't mean you should steal from them
you literally have the option of using the OS for free
you lose out on a couple of features that most consumers don't even know about or care to use
static pecan
When the alternative literally comes from the Microsoft site is it really stealing though?
crimson scroll
no
i'm talking about him potentially buying keys from grey market sites
i am ADVOCATING for the alternative
static pecan
Ok, that's what I thought
crimson scroll
that is NOT stealing
also, again
the grey market issue is about more than microsoft
it's about the people who had their cards stolen
static pecan
Buying keys online is hella sus anyway lol I personally wouldn't do it just because I don't trust anyone ever especially some random dude online selling Windows 10 keys
crimson scroll
by providing a market for them, you incentivize them to keep doing that
crimson scroll
honestly if you're willing to put in the work, you can do a lot of the stuff (games) that windows can
but not everyone wants to do that, myself included
static pecan
Yeah my friend uses Linux now for like 75% of his games
pulsar fossil
Oh for sure
But linux isn't a viable option for 99,9% of people
At least not for gamers
According to my very not scientific test the website I work at has about the same amount of macOS and Linux users
crimson scroll
0?
crimson scroll
a lot of writers i know (which is a very small number) prefer macOS
crimson scroll
which makes sense, their laptops have fantastic battery life, really good for certain simple tasks, probably better than windows if you just need to plug and go
also the photographers i know, a lot prefer macOS
static pecan
I use MacOS for my media writing course
pulsar fossil
I've used it a lot for video creation
And they keyboards used to slap so hard
I really dislike their keyboards now
crimson scroll
i remember using white macbooks in school
with the icarts they'd wheel in
spaces was my favorite thing and it took windows forever to replicate that
but also windows had the snapping and it's not perfect now but they've released a tool to allow custom zones
pulsar fossil
Macbooks were barely a thing when I went to school haha
static pecan
My school system was too cheap for macbooks so we had netbooks when I was in 5th grade
crimson scroll
I'd love to build a PC in one of the old giant silver/aluminum mac cases
static pecan
Then some really THICC 15" HPs in middle school
pulsar fossil
I'm surprised how much bigger iOS is on our website compared to Android
static pecan
My photography teacher in high school had one of those old aluminum mac towers and I tried to buy it from him but he wouldn't sell it lol
static pecan
Ew MSI
Also ew Vengeance RAM
Also why are you putting a micro atx board into an ATX case?
static pecan
The ASRock board is micro ATX
viral echo
on the first one?
static pecan
Yee
static pecan
Why not have the WD NVME on both builds? Also don't buy MSI
viral echo
whats up with msi
gilded frost
Swap the 450 with a 550
static pecan
They were caught scalping their own 3080s and have threatened and intimidated independent reviewers for positive rating on their products
gilded frost
You’re going to kill everything in that system
Who in the hell needs 28 Tb of external storage
viral echo
i updated the CPU to i3
viral echo
ight bet
gilded frost
Too much ram, I’d go for a single stick of 1 gb of DDR3 ram
Power supply is pocket cash
gilded frost
You’re committing a large sum of war crimes right now.
devout wolf
Also why are you putting a micro atx board into an ATX case?
what's wrong with that?
static pecan
aesthetics lmao
crimson scroll
i'm flip flopping on that
performance wise it won't affect anything but it would bother me personally if i had a tempered glass case and could see it
viral echo
hey yall i just registered for razer with my schoola ccount
gilded frost
With the black background of the case, you really wouldn’t see much motherboard anyway
crimson scroll
meh
crimson scroll
ehh i wouldn't say that
but if you don't need the productivity features, consider the 5600xt/5700 instead
and also wait for rx6000 to come out
elder marsh
I know I’m waiting but someone recommended that to me
crimson scroll
i like the choice of case, the ssd is okay, the ram is expensive but if you really like rgb it's okay i guess
and the motherboard...i would avoid msi
fierce plaza
why do we avoid msi again
crimson scroll
they're an ethically sketchy company
static pecan
They got caught scalping their own 3080s and also threaten and intimidate independent reviewers for good ratings
crimson scroll
trying to blackmail or bribe journalists
fierce plaza
jeez
crimson scroll
it's a shame because they do have a large amount of good motherboards currently
viral echo
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wrcWXb
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RTMBPV
@crimson scroll ive gotten these 2 throughout the whole day
obviously the 800 dollar one will perform better
but i only play roblox, mc, cod, and siege
which is better for those 4 needfs
and good price too
crimson scroll
i don't really think a 2600 is a good purchase at $150
also why does the cheaper build have the more expensive ram
viral echo
tbh
i only put the 2600because pcpp doesnt have a ryzen 3 3300 posted with a price
but just think the 2600 is a 3 300
crimson scroll
still not a great board for the price
viral echo
hm
crimson scroll
the mb311l looks ilke it has bad airflow
same with the darkflash dlm21, at least get the airflow version of that
for that price range of ssd, i would just get the sn550 over the a60
crimson scroll
i mean, it's hard to know what to pick when you're new
viral echo
recommendations for mother board
crimson scroll
b550m pro4
crimson scroll
the aorus elite is considered pretty good
for 3700x
3950x
these are pcb thermals on the backside after running blender for an hour
and yes, you can use the 3300x with a b550 board
oh hm, i linked screenshots for the matx versions of the aorus elite
one sec
fierce plaza
that moment when ur ram costs more than ur motherboard
viral echo
that moment when ur ram costs more than ur motherboard
@fierce plaza hey man...
fierce plaza
hey
viral echo
1650 super or 1660
viral echo
alright @crimson scroll is this better https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XCh4Cz
gilded frost
200 for a 1650 Super?
fierce plaza
its 160
wot
its just not in stock rn
like
who would buy pc parts from office depot
viral echo
do u guys actually buy the parts from pc part picker
id probably look for cheaper parts in amazon lol
crimson scroll
amazon is often not cheaper
i'm still meh on the a60
still meh on corsair ram
still meh on the ds3h
case seems okay for airflow, but only one stock fan and at $65. For $70 i'd go for the nr600
fierce plaza
pcpartpicker doesnt sell parts, they show the listing from other sites
newegg, amazon, b&h, etc
yo @static pecan is the gigabyte oc 2060 ok?
or is it still bad compared to other
static pecan
Should be fine
viral echo
still meh on corsair ram
@crimson scroll what ram should i change it to
crimson scroll
vulcan, gskill, oloy, crucial
almost anything really, there's a lot of 3200cl16 ram out there
viral echo
whats up with corsair tho
crimson scroll
its badly binned
green gale
Bluetooth pcie card or wifi pcie card it just needs bluetooth?
crimson scroll
that's a statement.
green gale
Wut
crimson scroll
people in this chat need to learn to communicate clearly what they're asking
green gale
Lmfao can you not comprehend that it's obviously a question, why would I say that out of the blue
crimson scroll
i can
but it's annoying to deal with people who don't put effort into their queries
makes me not want to put effort into helping them, you feel?
green gale
No I don't feel😂
green gale
Gotcha big guy😂
viral echo
what if I put 6 intake fans and 3 exhaust fans
viral echo
bet
3 intake on bottom, 3 intake on the side or wall of the case whatever it’s called and 3 exhaust at the top
crimson scroll
what case is this?
this sounds like it's a lian li o11 dynamic
or the neo qube
not many cases have the ability to have 3 side fans
viral echo
idk it’s not my setup
devout wolf
O11 XLs have 4 exhaust slots
crimson scroll
could be that awful case gn reviewed
very unlikely though
Abkoncore Ramesses 780 lol
devout wolf
ahahahahaha
crimson scroll
that doesn't actually have top fan mounts so never mind
they're also mounted to the side
devout wolf
yeah
crimson scroll
it has to be an o11 or clone then
viral echo
wouldn’t getting a series X be better than my 650 setup @crimson scroll
crimson scroll
eh
devout wolf
We don't have a crystal ball sorry
crimson scroll
pcs are far more flexible than consoles
devout wolf
yeah and the 3080 was 2x the performance of the 2080 according to nvidia kek
it's like asking the culprit in court if they are guilty
crimson scroll
i mean, they do do that
viral echo
5th gen console cap at 120 right
devout wolf
i mean, they do do that
yes
viral echo
FPS
viral echo
yo the xbox one is equal to a rx580
crimson scroll
okay
devout wolf
pretty sure the xb1 and ps4 had really outdated specs on release
viral echo
o
crimson scroll
apparently it's different at 1080p vs 4k
viral echo
I like how the 3080 came out just as new gen consoles release with their 2080’s
devout wolf
Consoles also make back a lot of their money through subscriptions
viral echo
i heard that the series X runs at 8k
viral echo
yea
crimson scroll
you should really avoid believing everything you read or hear
viral echo
but sony and Microsoft announced it supports 8k gaming
devout wolf
and the 3090 is able to run 8k mainly because of dlss
crimson scroll
just because it supports 8k gaming doesn't mean it runs at any reasonable framerate
i'm sure i could also run minesweeper at 8k with my 1080ti
gamersnexus tested it
devout wolf
native 8k?
devout wolf
the dips oof
viral echo
that’s how much my current Xbox plays siege at
and cod
💀
does xsx use
pc parts or do they make their own stuff
crimson scroll
they use custom stuff by amd
devout wolf
But the parts are all proprietary to the console
crimson scroll
it's technically "pc parts" as they use the same technologies
viral echo
o
devout wolf
Only thing could be ssd i guess
crimson scroll
and also where would you even buy it
devout wolf
It might use standard m.2 nvme
crimson scroll
microsoft will source directly from amd who works with tsmc
so there's not really a way for you to get any parts
viral echo
what’s the Ghz in a cpu mean
viral echo
man I learned this in science 2 years ago wtf am I doing
pulsar fossil
Yeah the giga is kinda like the kilo in kilograms
viral echo
how many GHz do them high end CPUs usually run at
crimson scroll
it depends
boost/turbo frequency, which means a single core boosting up its frequency, can get pretty high
current intel can go 5, 5.1+ ghz
pulsar fossil
Yeah and the GHz number isn't the full story
crimson scroll
not including exotic cooling
yeah, there's also the concept of ipc, instructions per cycle
crimson scroll
a lot of that is just numbers for intel and amd to throw around though
you can calculate different IPC values using different software, different testing methodology
it's better to focus on raw performance numbers based on third party benchmarks
viral echo
oh I was just gonna compare it to the xsx custom zen 2
crimson scroll
for example, bulldozer could clock to high frequencies, but it still sucked
compare it how
pulsar fossil
I mean you can compare specs on paper between consoles and PC but it won't be a fair comparison
pulsar fossil
You get more GPH (Graphics Per Hertz) on console
crimson scroll
devs are able to code for a specific set of hardware, rather than fifty billion possible combinations for pc
pulsar fossil
Exactly
pulsar fossil
I just felt like making a new acronym :p
viral echo
alright alright but what do u think about these two https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H9PtJf
gilded frost
How much does a 1660 cost in comparison?
Never mind, not worth it for the slight improvement you get. They’ve bumped up all of the lower cards prices in the past week, probably to market the 3080, 70, 90.
calm forge
for the second pc
i wouldn't really go with a 1650
I would recommend just going with a 2060 but since all 20 series cards are screwed rn I don't want to
but you can consider getting a 2060
or a 5600xt or a 5700xt
also for the one with the 430w psu, just get a 500w psu
atleast 80+ bronze
gilded frost
5500XT
Bottom: You could swap out the ram, T-Vulcan has DDR4 16 GB 3200MHZ CL16 Ram for cheaper, probably get a more reliable M.2 drive. Case is a bit expensive for what you’re using it for, but that’s personal preference. If you don’t plan on upgrading in the future , a 430 w PSU is fine , maybe swap the GPU with a 5500XT or 5600XT
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xtGvVc
@calm forge Once he gets up the the 20 series he might have bottle neck problems, usually the ryzen 3 does well until about the 2060 or 2060 s, and 5600XT for amd
calm forge
are they vesa mount compatible
viral echo
how much more does the 2060 cost
calm forge
yeah
honestly if you think about getting a 1660ti rn
its kinda not worth it
because like for 100 more you can basically get a 2060
and on amd;s side
you can get a 5600xt
viral echo
is it better than the 1650
but then doesn’t geforce experience give u a bunch more optimization
calm forge
ill admit
amd's software on the gpus
are bad
but in terms of performance
the 5600xt is better than the 1650
thats why im thinking about selling my 1660ti
and getting a 5700xt
calm forge
?
crimson scroll
the 1650 is a bad choice unless you're going for low profile
viral echo
is the 5500xt better
crimson scroll
yes
crimson scroll
look at the 1650 super
viral echo
yeah its a 450 WE
calm forge
and he can still undervolt
crimson scroll
also i don't really see a point to getting the 3100 when the 3300x exists
price gap is pretty small
not like you can actually get either one anyways
crimson scroll
the 3100 and 3300x are sold in america
calm forge
than maybe you could get a 3600
crimson scroll
but they're always out of stock
calm forge
i wonder if amd will lower the prices of their older cpus
crimson scroll
retailers might
calm forge
yeah
tall cove
@tall cove
@gilded frost 27
calm forge
so maybe you could get a 3600 instead
tall cove
inches
crimson scroll
we've seen the 2600 drop to 150 from retailers
having said that, the 3600 has been 155 from retailers before
right now we're back on a price hike
and amd isn't competing on price anymore
tall cove
cedar herald
3600 used to be 150 rip
tall cove
these are the monitors that im looking at, and i would be getting two of em
calm forge
@tall cove yo thats actual a steal for 250
tall cove
dont want curved
crimson scroll
i don't think that's a steal
crimson scroll
do you specifically want 27"
tall cove
nah, i just saw it was on sale and was at a decent price ig
crimson scroll
imo 27" 1080p is too big but you may disagree
cedar herald
ya
tall cove
im ok with 24" and up
crimson scroll
cedar herald
the ppi would be bad
crimson scroll
IPS 144hz 1080p
viral echo
60 hz monitor gang
cedar herald
lol same
crimson scroll
there's a lot of 144hz 1080p monitors, i wouldn't pay more than maybe 200 for a good one
tall cove
and how would i then easily set this up to be two displays?
crimson scroll
uh...
calm forge
lol yeah 27 is pretty big
tall cove
yeah ik that sounded stupid
calm forge
do you mean like configuring which one is the first and second one?
tall cove
i normally use hdmi for mt connections and my gpu only has 1 hdmi and 3 displays
cedar herald
dp is better
gilded frost
only?
crimson scroll
dp>hdmi
gilded frost
^
crimson scroll
it depends on generation but
cedar herald
u should switch if u get a new monitor
crimson scroll
in general dp is better right now
gilded frost
How much does HDMI 2.1 support I forgot?
crimson scroll
for starters, freesync over gsync works on dp but not on hdmi
gilded frost
Or better, how much will
calm forge
two 144hz monitors
How much does HDMI 2.1 support I forgot?
@gilded frost HDMI 2.1 brings support for screen resolutions up to 10K at 120Hz, that's 10240×4320 pixels! Apart from that, PC and console gamers will get the long-anticipated native 120Hz at 4K support.
gilded frost
Christ
calm forge
10k
crimson scroll
you need both a supported port and cable though
calm forge
yeah
crimson scroll
if you get a dp 1.4 cable it'll work with nearly every modern monitor and card
just make sure you get a certified one
cedar herald
just go with dp probs future proof
gilded frost
Won't be useful in Gaming for a couple decades lol
crimson scroll
i wouldn't say dp is future proof
there's still a limit on bandwidth
and new standards are still coming out for both hdmi and dp
calm forge
lets go back to dvi and game on 120hz
cedar herald
bet
gilded frost
VGA
crimson scroll
Also hdmi is also backwards compatible so
cedar herald
lol
cedar herald
my dad still uses vga
calm forge
really
cedar herald
ya
calm forge
noice
viral echo
is there a significant difference between the MSI Radeon 5600xt and the gigabyte 5600xt oc
woah my grammar
died
crimson scroll
Yeah
viral echo
.
crimson scroll
One of them is made by msi
calm forge
LMAO
gilded frost
haha
calm forge
true
viral echo
bruh
cedar herald
lol
viral echo
soo dont get the msi
calm forge
if you're getting a 5600xt stay away from blower ones
cedar herald
GIGABYTE
viral echo
what
viral echo
tbh ngl i only got the MSI 5600 because it had a 20 dollar promo 💀
gilded frost
I love the all white GPU's, waiting for a third party seller to start selling one
calm forge
epic promo
viral echo
fr
gilded frost
You're banned from this chat now go to general
calm forge
yeah hydrodip the pcb
gilded frost
You agreed with him so yeah , you as well
gilded frost
Adios
viral echo
no i was agreeing with wryx
calm forge
what are pcbs made of
cedar herald
unless u really want to take the shroud off and dip it
calm forge
try not to dip the heatpipes
gilded frost
calm forge
and try not to leave some residue on the heat fins
calm forge
white 2080 super is cool
calm forge
no
gilded frost
thats a 2060 s
crimson scroll
copper and a non-conductive substrate usually @calm forge
in layers
but that's not including the smts and components
viral echo
i always question how the gpu holds on with only those pins
calm forge
copper and a non-conductive substrate usually @calm forge
@crimson scroll thank you
i always question how the gpu holds on with only those pins
@viral echo theres also a screw holding it
at the back of the case
calm forge
indeed you did
viral echo
ofc am expert pc man