💻-building-a-pc

[devout wolf]

fyi

m.2 =/= nvme

there are sata m.2 ssds that are no faster than 2.5"

[rigid swift]

he's gont one m2 ssd in his list, so im tryna keep things simple

[devout wolf]

it's a 970 evo

kinda overpriced imo

don't really need that fast of a drive for gaming

i'd go with a team mp34 or something instead

[rigid swift]

im assuming its gonna be his primary drive, and if he wants to spend the money, it pays off when having an operating system and important programs on it
the price is really ok for a drive that fast

[dusky crag]

so i should put windows on my nvme

[rigid swift]

yes, definetely

[devout wolf]

well

[rigid swift]

An operating system on a hdd, I wouldn't do that to anyone if i have the possibility to prevent it

[devout wolf]

there isn't any noticable difference between a slower nvme drive and a faster one like that for an OS

anyway i'll just edit the list and head to sleep

gaming only?

[rigid swift]

tbf I haven't made too much experience with that, but I have an 970 evo aswell and I don't wanna switch to anything else ever again

[devout wolf]

i have a sata ssd from 2012 and my windows boots in 8 seconds

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dusky crag]

gaming, editing, web browsing mainly

[devout wolf]

okay

what resolution are you going to be editing in

[dusky crag]

4k

[devout wolf]

gotchu

give me a min

[rigid swift]

you might wanna get a better psu if youre gonna have an i9 and a 3080 in one build
30x power consumption is estimeated to be pretty high and 80+ gold isnt too promising

[devout wolf]

pretty sure 750w should be enough

[rigid swift]

dont have it from my head but i think it was 550w for the 3080?

[devout wolf]

80+ isn't a indicator of quality

350w

FE 3080

[rigid swift]

oh

ok

then that should work

well with "only" gold youre not promised to get that 750w

[dusky crag]

i thought 3080 took 320w

oh

[devout wolf]

oh right

3090 is 350w

my bad

[rigid swift]

what? what did i see then which said 3090 is gonna need 750W xD

[devout wolf]

that's nvidia's recommendation

they assume the worst case scenario

[dusky crag]

so i should get like platinum

[devout wolf]

no

lol

[rigid swift]

well the worst case scenario is 100% load
on 4k.. with a few more fps than just 60
nobody has really tested the 30x models very precisely yet but that could get critical

and 350w is not even half of the tdp

[devout wolf]

by worst case scenario

i mean like paired with the top of the line cpu

i'm obv not putting an i9 in this list

[rigid swift]

i'm not sure I understand what you mean

Are you saying the i9 is gonna be a bottleneck for the 3080?

[devout wolf]

no

the 9900k is not a good buy right now

the 10600k can beat it with an overclock and 1151 is already dead

@dusky crag choose a case

Corsair 220T Airflow - https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wj4BD3
Bitfenix Nova Mesh TG - https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KgbCmG
**TD500 Mesh **- https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gfn8TW
be quiet! 500DX - https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3W6qqs
P400A Digital - https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QdXYcf
P500A DRGB - https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GmhmP6
Cooler Master NR600 - https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CbqhP6
Lancool II Mesh - https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PmZzK8/
Cougar MX330-G Air - https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7fn8TW

[rigid swift]

the 9900k is not a good buy right now
it really isn't
I got it like 2 months after it came out and I'm more than happy with it, but even if you really don't want an AMD, there's better Intels for almost the same prices out there rn

But I've already decided for myself that my next CPU is gonna be a threadripper
If my current PC will (hopefully) serve me for at least 6 or 7 years, which I'm now doubting thanks to 30xx series

[devout wolf]

9900k shouldn't hold a 30 series gpu back

it's still a good cpu

[rigid swift]

Without a doubt

[devout wolf]

oop

forgot to ask what his budget is

[rigid swift]

looks like around 2 to 2,5k

[devout wolf]

oh

i'm way under

[rigid swift]

well its 1,5k without the 2080

[devout wolf]

yeah i'm at 1.7k with the 3080 lol

[rigid swift]

how

[devout wolf]

i guess this calls for a cpu upgrade

[dusky crag]

yes

[rigid swift]

its not calculating the gpu in yet

[devout wolf]

yeah i set a custom price

rgb ram go nom on budget lol

[dusky crag]

so rgb ram is just way too expensive

[rigid swift]

corsair dominator platinum rgb was the best decision of my life
while still in the cheap sector of 64gb dimms, it still has rgb and 3200mhz

[devout wolf]

i used to have doms, but ddr2 1066

was a solid kit

[rigid swift]

so rgb ram is just way too expensive
not always, but this one could also become critical with the 9900k since its 3600mhz

[devout wolf]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f7Gysk

change the case to one of those i linked above

raichu will prolly come in here later and cringe at this list ngl

i'd wait for him to patch up any problems in the list

[rigid swift]

i dont remember what exactly it was but the officially supported clock speeds of the 9900k's controller is 2666mhz i think? or 2400 i dont remember

[devout wolf]

2666

[rigid swift]

however mine handles 3200 fine but 3600 could be a waste of money

[devout wolf]

but with XMP you can go higher

[rigid swift]

yeah im using that aswell

[devout wolf]

pretty sure the ringbus IMC can handle like >4400mhz no problem

low latency ram is crucial for amd

[rigid swift]

mmm im not sure abt that
3200 runs really safe but 4000 could already be too much

but i dont wanna tell lies

[devout wolf]

because of the IF's chiplet design, there is a lot of latency

so it begs for low latency ram and it gives a way bigger of a boost compared to intel

the problem is right now you can't go over 3800mhz on a good bin, the fclk will split 2:1 and you lose performance

[dusky crag]

will this be able to push around 360-400 fps on gpu heavy games

[rigid swift]

in 4k? probably not. i can argue for hours now that 400fps is way more that you're gonna actually need, but some people just prefer it

[dusky crag]

no 400 fps in 1080p

because i’m going to compete in fortnite n stuff

[rigid swift]

you can play fortnite on a toaster so that's probably gonna work

[unborn kiln]

You really dont NEED 400fps to compete in fortnite

[rigid swift]

you really dont need 400fps in nearly anything

except you have a 400hz monitor

[unborn kiln]

Exactly

[rigid swift]

i understand if people think it gives faster reaction time, but any monitor above 60Hz will do a better job than 400fps on a 60Hz panel

[unborn kiln]

Does he have a 50hz monitor?

60*

[rigid swift]

i dont know

[cedar herald]

@dusky crag u wanna go with a ryzen 3000 cpu coz they support pcie gen 4 which will double the bandwith between your cpu and gpu

[noble oak]

What good cpu for 3070? Ping me

[lean quarry]

should i go for the 7 3700X or the 5 3600 ?

[crimson scroll]

lol

you don't necessarily need pcie gen 4

we don't know if it matters, wait for benchmarks

could be that intel's gaming lead still holds despite pcie 4.0

[lean quarry]

should i go for the 7 3700X or the 5 3600 ?

[crimson scroll]

depends on your budget and use case

[lean quarry]

for gaming and streaming

[crimson scroll]

and budget?

[lean quarry]

i dont know yet

[rigid swift]

lol

then reconsider when you know what you can spend

[lean quarry]

but what is beter for the money

[crimson scroll]

that depends on what you're using it for

[rigid swift]

they have both good value

[crimson scroll]

generally 3600 overall but with the recent price jump it's hard to say

[rigid swift]

the 3700x has 2 cores more

[lean quarry]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/G6nbNq any tips (btw not all prices show up for some reason)

[crimson scroll]

rog strix is meh

why 32gb of memory

970 evo is generally overkill and pricey

[rigid swift]

why 32? why not?

[lean quarry]

the 32gb of memory is in my country a good price

970 evo is was thinking to change but i dont know to what

[rigid swift]

why? why not
16 was not enough for me, and before complaining about 32 on a few months / a year instead..

[crimson scroll]

well what were you doing with your system

that screenshot doesn't show you using very much

[lean quarry]

why that low speed

[rigid swift]

actually, not much
but playing big minecraft modpacks can become critical quickly when you also want to have a browser and discord open
and not use paging files

[crimson scroll]

fair enough

[lean quarry]

@crimson scroll you know a good NVME m.2 instead of the 970 evo ?

[rigid swift]

why that low speed
@lean quarry because my memory controller is already overclocked and it's the standard speed of the memory, also it doesn't make much of a difference for me so i don't really need any more

@crimson scroll you know a good NVME m.2 instead of the 970 evo ?
@lean quarry 970 pro

[crimson scroll]

a2000, mp34, sn550, sx8200 pro, etc

depends on price though

[rigid swift]

[crimson scroll]

all of them should be closer to 100-120 per tb

sx8200 pro generally the most expensive

[lean quarry]

mp34 is more expensive in my country

[crimson scroll]

is your country available in the dropdown list

you used the US version of the site

[lean quarry]

i live in the netherlands so i dont know?

[crimson scroll]

now you know

[lean quarry]

thanks

[noble oak]

Bro the 970 is an actual sexy nvme

Imagine not having the 970 evo plus 2tb

[crimson scroll]

when you're dropping 2k+ on a pc maybe

[noble oak]

Just get a 256gb 970 and a 2tb baracuda if you can't afford it

Lol

[rigid swift]

cheap nvme ssds will do the trick
but im more than satisfied with my 970 evo plus :^)

[crimson scroll]

or...get a 1tb sn550 or 500gb and you won't notice the difference in most applications?

[noble oak]

You do when your gaming

[crimson scroll]

no you don't, lmao

[noble oak]

I do but might just be me

[rigid swift]

depends on the game

[noble oak]

I mainly play R6

Steelseries need to make monitors

🤔

[rigid swift]

that shouldnt make a difference that big

[crimson scroll]

you're telling me you've scientifically tested the difference in loading time between a 970 evo plus and a sn550

and you can objectively tell the difference

[rigid swift]

r6 can be played on a potato

[noble oak]

^ as proved by ubis servers

😂

[rigid swift]

felt that

[crimson scroll]

tell me more about those differences

[rigid swift]

welll steam servers are not exactly the fastest aswell

[crimson scroll]

you're telling me you're noticing the .1 second difference in loading time?

i call bs

[noble oak]

So guys what’s a good cpu for 3070

[crimson scroll]

3700x, 3600, 10600k probably

[noble oak]

Ok

[rigid swift]

why everybody asking that
dunno man just dont get a 6 year old quad core and youre good

[noble oak]

@noble oak 10700k

That’s too expensive I’m broke

[crimson scroll]

tell me more about how much better the 970 evo plus is

in transferring very large files, yes, it's good

but it's not noticeably better in games

[rigid swift]

> has a 3070
> cant afford a cpu that doesnt bottleneck a 3070
> ???

[noble oak]

@noble oak 9700k

[crimson scroll]

why recommend 9th gen

that's stupid

unless you get it super cheap

[noble oak]

Cuz its still good for the price lmao

[crimson scroll]

it's really not

[noble oak]

Which one?> @noble oak 9700k
@noble oak

It is but ok8

[rigid swift]

it really is

[noble oak]

I7 9700k

Ez cop for like 350

[crimson scroll]

don't recommend old cpus on dead end upgrade paths please

[rigid swift]

ryzen 7 3900x for the budget

[crimson scroll]

you can buy a 10600k for 280

why would you get the 9700k

[noble oak]

I was thinking of the 3800x

Until someone said the 9700k

[crimson scroll]

no

[crimson scroll]

do not get the 9700k

[noble oak]

Yes ik

[crimson scroll]

it's on a dead end chipset

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQVBlCfb72M

if you want to spend $280, get the 10600k

[noble oak]

Its legit still an amazing cpu lmao

Got a vid of how bottle necking works?

[crimson scroll]

you can see it can match stock 10900k performance when overclocked

[noble oak]

10900k is i9

Lmao

[crimson scroll]

i know that

and?

if you read carefully

i never say/recommend him getting one

[noble oak]

Juicy price difference bro

[crimson scroll]

jesus christ people in this chat are idiots

show me where i recommend him getting the 10900k

[rigid swift]

and youre acting like youre the god of computer technology. any better?

[crimson scroll]

you don't post any benchmarks

you just throw out "get this"

[noble oak]

Suacy do you even know how to fit an aio

Your making me laugh

[rigid swift]

did people ask for benchmarks or for cpu recommendations?

[crimson scroll]

cpu recommendations are based on benchmarks

you don't just recommend random stuff

[noble oak]

He legit asked us what is good for the 3070

Not for benchmarks

[crimson scroll]

i could recommend him an fx-8300

how do you know that won't be good for the 3070

you use benchmarks to prove the worth of the cpu

whether that's synthetic or in game

[noble oak]

But he doesn't need to know the benchmarks but k

He can find them if he wants to know

[crimson scroll]

i mean

you still can't back up why you should get the 9700k

[noble oak]

4.9ghz 8cores

For 300

Best bang for the buck asf

[crimson scroll]

it's really not

prove it's the best bang for the buck

[rigid swift]

that's why we're talking here and not calling our discussion partners stupid

[noble oak]

is it worth getting the ryzen 4000 series?

[crimson scroll]

guess how you'd prove it

with benchmarks

@noble oak not even out yet

[noble oak]

ik

but waiting for it to release

[crimson scroll]

so...no

wait for benchmarks

[noble oak]

There

[crimson scroll]

that's the 10700k highlighted

[noble oak]

Look 2 under that

[crimson scroll]

you haven't proved anything

two under that is the 9900k

[rigid swift]

that

[noble oak]

4*

[crimson scroll]

dude

the 3300x BEATS THE 9700k in r20

[noble oak]

It legit has 12 more points in r20

[crimson scroll]

you can't even prove your own point

[noble oak]

Thats not worth 200 vucks

[rigid swift]

500 vs 549? hmmmmmmm

[crimson scroll]

so i should get the 3300x then

it's only $120

[noble oak]

Never said that

[crimson scroll]

well

your benchmark isn't helping your point

[noble oak]

lol

[crimson scroll]

9700k clearly sucks, it's beaten by a $120 cpu

and you don't even compare it against the 10600k

[noble oak]

Lol

[crimson scroll]

which was my recommendation against it at the price point

[noble oak]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/183811322924

imagine buying this

Lmao

70 bucks for boxes

So ryzen 7 3700x for 3070?

Some kid acc bought thay

Jesus

So ryzen 7 3700x for 3070?
@noble oak Thats wut im getting

[crimson scroll]

@noble oak depends on what you're doing

[noble oak]

Just pure gaming

[crimson scroll]

it's not as easy as just saying "get this cpu with this gpu"

i'd probably recommend the 10600k

with the caveat of wait for benchmarks

[noble oak]

@noble oak https://pcpartpicker.com/user/rdhanekula/saved/#view=9c978d this is my parts list

[crimson scroll]

see if pcie 4.0 matters

[noble oak]

4600mhz with Ryzen:👌

But not in 4K or sum thing else

So 10600k?

what is ur budget?

1500

Without monitor

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/rdhanekula/saved/#view=jMZXyc

check this

with a 3080

Sure

Dm me it

And pin it

Saucy made this

I got school

[safe cradle]

10600k breh

[crimson scroll]

oh yeah this. I didn't even realize you were talking about the 10900k vs the 10700k

for the millionth time

i never recommended the 10900k

try actually reading the chat

i compared the 10600k against the 10900k

[safe cradle]

why intel cpus

[crimson scroll]

nowhere did i say anything along the lines of "i recommend the 10900k"

@safe cradle better in gaming

[safe cradle]

ryzen 4000 comes out in october

[crimson scroll]

which is the context of the build

[safe cradle]

better in gaming HAH

[crimson scroll]

yeah, it is

[safe cradle]

funny

[crimson scroll]

i'm all for recommending ryzen where it makes sense

in the budget build and in productivity over gaming

but it'd be insanely fanboyish to say that intel isn't better in gaming

[safe cradle]

i need my boy rafee here

[crimson scroll]

and if that's all he wants to do then it makes more sense for him

rafee will tell you the same thing

[safe cradle]

"intel is better in gaming" is 2018 talk

[crimson scroll]

go watch gamersnexus videos if you don't believe me

@devout wolf ^^

[safe cradle]

marginal at best

besides why pay for a 10600k rn

when 4000 is coming out

[crimson scroll]

lots of non data based claims going around here

[noble oak]

Hes correct about intel being the better cpu for gaming btw

[crimson scroll]

thank you

i should say at the high end, same price point

that way we don't get some technicality of "oh the 3700x beats out the 10100"

[safe cradle]

never said that

[crimson scroll]

i didn't say you said that

i was covering for the possibility

[safe cradle]

okay? good job

[crimson scroll]

thanks, i know

[safe cradle]

im pretty sure any advantage intel still holds over amd in terms of raw gaming performance is negligible

[crimson scroll]

"pretty sure"

got any data

[noble oak]

im pretty sure any advantage intel still holds over amd in terms of raw gaming performance is negligible
@safe cradle na

[safe cradle]

especially if you're using an rtx 3070 you're not gonna be looking to get more frames than you need anyways

[crimson scroll]

what

that doesn't make any sense

[noble oak]

2080ti owners be like 💩

[crimson scroll]

why would you not want more frames

[safe cradle]

build has an rtx 3070, no?

[crimson scroll]

and?

[noble oak]

@safe cradle also you miss.underdyamd wbat intel said

Nvidia*

[crimson scroll]

lmfao what

[safe cradle]

what

[noble oak]

They said it was faster with Ray tracing not general lmaooo

[crimson scroll]

which word is nvidia supposed to replace

[noble oak]

Intel

[safe cradle]

tf are you on about

[noble oak]

I'm getting hello confusdd

I'm so tired

Jesua

[crimson scroll]

i think he's trying to say that the 3070 is faster in rtx applications but not necessarily traditional rasterized

[noble oak]

Ye

[crimson scroll]

i believe nvidia did release their own benchmarks that show it is faster there anyways

obviously, first party source, large portions of salt

[safe cradle]

what

[noble oak]

@crimson scroll only with RTX on and dont trust there word

[crimson scroll]

you've never heard of "take it with a grain of salt"

no

notice how it doesn't say "RTX ON" for borderlands 3

obviously that doesn't compare against the 2080ti

[noble oak]

Still don't trust nvidiad word

[crimson scroll]

but you can pull 2080ti against 2070

and go from there

[noble oak]

Ye

[crimson scroll]

also yeah, like i said, large portions of salt

but don't say that they didn't claim it's better in traditional applications too

because they did

[safe cradle]

send me the gamersnexus video in question

[crimson scroll]

which one

[safe cradle]

whichever is most relevant

[crimson scroll]

relevant to what

[safe cradle]

bruh

[crimson scroll]

the conversation's moved a lot

you need to be specific

[safe cradle]

you literally mentioned gamersnexus once in this conversation

je s u s

[crimson scroll]

that was 11 minutes ago

[noble oak]

-_-

[crimson scroll]

you waited 11 minutes and expected me to remember the exact context of that

[safe cradle]

lmao forget it

[crimson scroll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQVBlCfb72M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDZQCcDMcfw also relevant

specifically, "best gaming cpu overall" section on the second video

[noble oak]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4rXjPn

[crimson scroll]

that video obviously is limited by date, the 3600 for example has jumped in price and it's still the best in its price point for flexibility in applications, but...yuck

[noble oak]

Made my intel build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4rXjPn

Ping me

[crimson scroll]

saw it the first time

[noble oak]

Oh ok

Gamers nexus hit 1m woo

[crimson scroll]

@noble oak okay, pinging you. looks fine except the case

psu is a bit pricey but whatever

[noble oak]

K

[crimson scroll]

case has bad airflow

[safe cradle]

why 750w

[noble oak]

Someone said it has good airflow lmao

Did he go for an nzxt?

[crimson scroll]

it doesn't

[safe cradle]

w h y

[crimson scroll]

@noble oak open his link and find out

[noble oak]

Ik

Alr

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4rXjPn

Here

[crimson scroll]

also swap that wd blue out for a sn550 imo

[noble oak]

Thdt case is just solid plastic

On plastic

[safe cradle]

144 dollars for that psu

[noble oak]

Find me case

[safe cradle]

bruh.mp4

[noble oak]

There’s an 850 psi for 134

Psi

Psu

[safe cradle]

i'd say get a different psu but i don't know much about them

[crimson scroll]

NR600, p500a, p400a, td500, be quiet 500dx, neo air, bitfenix nova mesh, etc

also, wattage isn't the only thing to consider

[noble oak]

Dm me that

[crimson scroll]

you can get a crappy 800w psu

or a good 400w psu

[safe cradle]

750w is already enough

pretty sure its more than enough

[crimson scroll]

there's nothing that says bigger = better

[noble oak]

Gold ratings 👌

[crimson scroll]

are pointless mostly

[noble oak]

Ima find good cases on lunch break

[crimson scroll]

they do tend to correlate with higher quality PSUs

[noble oak]

Yea but its cool having a sticker

😂

[crimson scroll]

but the actual money you save from going gold over bronze

meh

especially low end when you don't draw much power

[safe cradle]

i think this system will do well on 600w

[crimson scroll]

i agree

[safe cradle]

or even 550w for that matter

but im not sure

[noble oak]

I wonder how much the 3070 strix will be

[crimson scroll]

550w is close if you run blender/furmark

[noble oak]

500

[safe cradle]

a lot

[crimson scroll]

it can go over

[safe cradle]

he said gaming

[crimson scroll]

but for just games its fine, just not ideal

[safe cradle]

only gaming

[crimson scroll]

i know...

i did a very long writeup in this channel about it

[noble oak]

I recon 550 or something for the strix 3070

[safe cradle]

recon

ah yes

[crimson scroll]

i'm adding some context

https://discordapp.com/channels/299040363123965952/502509259699781632/753287726090158243

[noble oak]

FORTNITE with rtx

lmao

Ew

Nvidia Broadcast looks epicc

Hot

[hollow glacier]

is this a good build

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/moviecon/saved/jv8p23

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/moviecon/saved/jv8p23

[crimson scroll]

for what purpose

[hollow glacier]

gaming and vid editiong

[crimson scroll]

i'd get the a80 over the a60

[hollow glacier]

is it more expensive

[crimson scroll]

and get different ram, you can get it for ten bucks cheaper and still get 10ns

or get the same price and better ram

[noble oak]

ye

[crimson scroll]

a80 will likely be more expensive, yeah

[hollow glacier]

could u suggest better ram

for the same price

like a specific

[noble oak]

Wait how hardcore editing willu be doing

@hollow glacier

[hollow glacier]

it will be 4k but not very long vids

max 15 min

please try to find around the same price

[crimson scroll]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/37bBsk better

if you're serious about video editing, 2x16gb ram would be better

[hollow glacier]

is matx board ok in such a large case

[noble oak]

ye

[crimson scroll]

yes

[hollow glacier]

isnt the rtx 3070 a bit big

[crimson scroll]

you can get a nr600 and save money too

will still be great airflow

and you'll probably want to upgrade the cpu cooler at some point, the wraith prism is fine but not ideal

[hollow glacier]

Is there any good case with included argb fans

[crimson scroll]

p400a that you had is pretty good

if you get the digital rgb version

(their drgb is argb)

[hollow glacier]

it is the drgb

[crimson scroll]

yeah

[noble oak]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TFnYyk

[hollow glacier]

does the ASRock B550M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard have argb headers

[noble oak]

Check the compatibility notes

Big confusion

Thats a better case btw

[hollow glacier]

oh

[crimson scroll]

it's fine @noble oak

[hollow glacier]

intel

[noble oak]

You sure?

[crimson scroll]

but you didn't change the ssd

[hollow glacier]

is the i5 10k better than ryzen 7

[crimson scroll]

yes, i'm sure

[noble oak]

@noble oak Just means 1 sata you cant use

[crimson scroll]

@hollow glacier the 10600k? depends on what you're doing

[noble oak]

🤷‍♂️

[crimson scroll]

for gaming, yeah

for video editing, no

[hollow glacier]

is it a lot worse for vid editing

because Im not doinf extreme vid editing

[crimson scroll]

https://youtu.be/iQVBlCfb72M?t=994

look at this and determine for yourself how much the time savings matter

[hollow glacier]

btw MSI Z490-A PRO ATX LGA1200 Motherboard have argb?

I want it around 1400 because that was my original budget I will stay with ryzen and make the changes Raichu suggested

[crimson scroll]

https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B550M Pro4/index.asp#Specification

[noble oak]

@noble oak Just means 1 sata you cant use
@noble oak what’s the sata port used for?

[crimson scroll]

you can see it has 2xrgb and 2x adressable led headers

for the b550m pro4

[hollow glacier]

ok

[crimson scroll]

you can do the same thing for the z490-a pro

go to the manufacturer site, check the specifications

[hollow glacier]

wait im sticking with ryzen because the intel one too expensive for my budget

[crimson scroll]

yeah

but you asked about it

so i'm teaching you how to find stuff on your own

[hollow glacier]

ok

are there any atx boards with argb at around $115

[lean quarry]

For intel or amd?

[hollow glacier]

amd

ryzen 7 3700x

[crimson scroll]

do you have a specific need for atx

such as multiple expansion slots

[lean quarry]

ASUS ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING 🤞🏼 this one

[crimson scroll]

rog strix is just for looks

its not a great board

also it's b450

[hollow glacier]

it does not have argb btw

argb headers if I confused u

[crimson scroll]

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/i8jz6a/a_hyper_in_depth_guide_to_b550_boards_that_out/ a decent list you can check

[lean quarry]

Maybe the z270 😋😋😋

[crimson scroll]

....he said he's getting a 3700x

[lean quarry]

👌🏼

[crimson scroll]

so...how would a z270 help him

and what is "the" z270

[lean quarry]

It works with the steelseries engine

🤔

[crimson scroll]

so you mean the msi z270 gaming pro carbon

so...how are we going to use that with the 3700x

[lean quarry]

Yup

[hollow glacier]

how??!!

[lean quarry]

Just crank it on there

[crimson scroll]

stop trolling

[hollow glacier]

wtf

[lean quarry]

Ok @crimson scroll

[crimson scroll]

this channel's for actually helping people

we don't want to confuse them

or potentially lead them to break their stuff

[lean quarry]

Ok sorry

[crimson scroll]

because you wanted to meme "lets put two things that physically won't fit together because hurr durr steelseries rgb"

[hollow glacier]

should I just get a matx case then

[crimson scroll]

those are harder to find but if there's one you like and its decent, sure

[hollow glacier]

can u suggest?

with argb fans

[lean quarry]

Budget?

[crimson scroll]

nr400, doesn't have argb fans though

[lean quarry]

But it does have some good airflow

[crimson scroll]

yes

it's the little brother of the nr600

[hollow glacier]

anything around $100 that has fans

[crimson scroll]

you can also just...buy argb fans separately

[hollow glacier]

how about this

Cooler Master MasterBox MB311L ARGB

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vDhmP6/cooler-master-masterbox-mb311l-argb-microatx-mid-tower-case-mcb-b311l-kgnn-s02

[crimson scroll]

seems okay

[hollow glacier]

will it fit the rtx 3070

and my power supply

[crimson scroll]

go to the manufacturer website

and look at specifications

it'll tell you max gpu clearance

and what psu size you should use

[hollow glacier]

ok

[crimson scroll]

again, doing your own research by going to the manufacturer website is really important

[hollow glacier]

my power supply lenght is 140 mm

[crimson scroll]

so

scroll down to specifications

[hollow glacier]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TDjJ7P/antec-earthwatts-gold-pro-750w-80-gold-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-ea750g-pro

[crimson scroll]

and you'll see that with the hard drive cage in the back

the case will support 140mm

[hollow glacier]

so its compatible? 🙂

[crimson scroll]

you tell me

if your psu is 140mm long and the clearance is stated to be 140mm with the hdd cage in the backmost position

will it fit?

[hollow glacier]

just barely?

[crimson scroll]

yeah

[hollow glacier]

so its good or should i get small for more space for cables

[crimson scroll]

no, it's fine

you can move the hard drive cage

[hollow glacier]

ok this is my build right now

[noble oak]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zjm63t ok i added some fans

[crimson scroll]

for the third time

[hollow glacier]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/moviecon/saved/vQvfvK

[crimson scroll]

you're still using a wd blue

just get the sn550 it's the same price

[noble oak]

sure

but the differnece

difference*

[crimson scroll]

it's a better drive for the same price

[noble oak]

faster speeds?

[crimson scroll]

yes

[noble oak]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MT6kCL

here

[hollow glacier]

can i remove the coolermaster logo

[crimson scroll]

whether you'll notice them or not is debateable

[noble oak]

did it

[crimson scroll]

@hollow glacier probably

[hollow glacier]

ok bcz its ugly

[noble oak]

so what about the compatibly notes

[crimson scroll]

you asked about that already

it's fine

[noble oak]

ok

[crimson scroll]

you have 6 sata ports on that mobo

[noble oak]

oh damn

[crimson scroll]

when you use an m.2 slot, one of those is disabled

[noble oak]

k

[crimson scroll]

so you'll have 5 sata ports left that you can use

[noble oak]

but what are the sata prots used for

[crimson scroll]

you don't have five sata devices

for data

like your hard drive

or some ssds

[noble oak]

like storage?

ok

[crimson scroll]

yes

[noble oak]

thanks

need theraml paste?

or is pre installed

[crimson scroll]

included with the cooler

[noble oak]

into the cooler

ok

[crimson scroll]

fans are kinda expensive but whatever if you like them you like them

[hollow glacier]

is a water cooler for cpu worth it for first time builder

[crimson scroll]

depends on how hard you push your system

probably easier to just get a large tower cooler and forget about it

rather than worrying about placement of the rad and stuff

[hollow glacier]

ok

u know any good cpu cooler for the sizee of my case

or should i stick with wraith prism

[crimson scroll]

large water cooling solutions give you larger time to steady state and better thermals for heavy workloads

[lean quarry]

If you dont do overclock its ok

[crimson scroll]

wraith prism is okay

[hollow glacier]

ok

because I have no idea what the thermals are gonna be with the 3070

[crimson scroll]

looks like you'll even be able to fit something like a scythe fuma 2 into that case

it has 166mm cpu cooler clearance

fuma 2 is 155mm tall

nhd-15 is 165mm tall

so you can put pretty much the largest tower coolers in there no problem

[hollow glacier]

I think will upgrade later

[crimson scroll]

sure

that's a good plan

[hollow glacier]

any other cahnges that would make it a bit cheaper

[crimson scroll]

eh

you could get a 650w psu

you could get ram that's the same speed for $55 or less

[hollow glacier]

I got the psu for upgradabilty

I guess its good thx for ur help

[crimson scroll]

np

[hollow glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-4035020

one last thing

do i need a fan splitter

[crimson scroll]

it has three fan headers

so...probably not

you have the two fans in the front and you're adding one more in the back

that's three

[hollow glacier]

ok

so how much do u think black friday usually takes out of pc parts

[crimson scroll]

meh

[hollow glacier]

like in my case Im hoping for at least $50 of saving

[crimson scroll]

lots of places will mark up prices and then put a "discount" on that

[hollow glacier]

oh

[crimson scroll]

it's hard to say

also

if you're not buying now

come back when you are buying

prices change a lot

[hollow glacier]

ok

yeah I know

[crimson scroll]

and since you have a 3070 on there

[hollow glacier]

Ive been making so many changes to my build

[crimson scroll]

you're not buying until probably mid october

[hollow glacier]

yeah

[naive dagger]

React if you think saucy raichu is bae

[devout wolf]

that was painful to read

@safe cradle intel is still better for gaming and 10th gen now has hyperthreading so it's not lacking in multithread either

AMD still has more cores for the same price

[crimson scroll]

it was painful to argue

[lean quarry]

Aa the hard truth

[safe cradle]

still not worth it

but ok

[crimson scroll]

not worth it for you maybe

it's situational but like we said, for pure gaming, it's better and for the same price as the 3700x

[safe cradle]

cooler

[crimson scroll]

?

for the 10600k, 280+27=307 vs 300 for the 3700x

oh no, 7 dollars more

if we get the 10600kf, the price difference drops to 4 dollars more

[safe cradle]

literally has a 44 dollar cooler on his build

[crimson scroll]

and?

you can get a id cooling sse something for 27

and it'll cool it fine

[safe cradle]

yeah and i'm referring to his build lmao

[crimson scroll]

okay and?

it's okay for some builds to be more expensive than others

[safe cradle]

bruh

forget it

[crimson scroll]

in fact

if we're talking other parts

we should up his ram to 3600cl16

for better performance on ryzen

and fast ram matters more on ryzen than intel

we could drop the intel ram to 2666 or 2133

and go cheaper

i can play this game too

[devout wolf]

literally has a 44 dollar cooler on his build
@safe cradle https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dmvZxr/thermalright-true-spirit-140-direct-736-cfm-cpu-cooler-true-spirit-140-direct

this is a 43 dollar cooler

[crimson scroll]

?

how does that help though

[devout wolf]

idk

[crimson scroll]

i think his point is

[devout wolf]

oh

okay

i see

nvm

[crimson scroll]

280 for the cpu + 44 for the cooler = 324 total

and the 3700x is only 300

[lean quarry]

I am looking for the phanteks d-rgb 140m one pack because i want fans to match but i cant find a retailer

[crimson scroll]

unfortunate

seems like they're out of stock everywhere

[noble oak]

@lean quarry https://www.newegg.com/phanteks-ph-f120sk-drgb-pwm-case-fan/p/N82E16835709163?item=N82E16835709163&source=region&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords-pc&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-pc-_-pla-_-case+fans-_-N82E16835709163&gclsrc=ds

[crimson scroll]

those are 120mm

the 140mm isn't in stock for me

[noble oak]

oh

whoops

[crimson scroll]

the 140mm option is right next to the 120mm one though

[noble oak]

https://www.newegg.com/phanteks-ph-f140sk-drgb-pwm-case-fan/p/N82E16835709162

[crimson scroll]

yep, that's the one

[noble oak]

it says in stock

[crimson scroll]

huh.

well, nice

[noble oak]

maybe cuz im in a different area than you?

Im in America

[crimson scroll]

i'm in the US too

how's shipping to the netherlands

[noble oak]

idk

[crimson scroll]

thats where quinnbonnes is

[noble oak]

lemme check

[crimson scroll]

does newegg even ship overseas

looks like they do but not to netherlands

he'd have to get a reshipper from the UK

and at that point this will probably be very expensive

[noble oak]

yeah

[noble oak]

@crimson scroll just because of reasons you sure the I 5 10600k is not bottle necking?

[crimson scroll]

bottlenecking what

[noble oak]

I 5 10600k and 3070

[crimson scroll]

don't know

like i said before

probably not but wait for benchmarks to see if pcie 4.0 matters

[noble oak]

Said what

Ohh ok

I’m not getting till Christmas

So we’ll know by then

[crimson scroll]

zen 3 might be out by then

[noble oak]

Yeah

[crimson scroll]

so the list will likely change

[noble oak]

Yeah

Oh well

[lucid fog]

Anyone here understand heatpipe of CPU or GPU ?

[static pecan]

At this point I'm waiting for either a 10 or 12 core Zen 3 and a 3070 or whatever the Radeon equivalent is assuming they have a card that competes at that performance level and price point for my new build

[crimson scroll]

@lucid fog what do you want to know about heatpipes

i know some, not an expert by any means

[lucid fog]

@crimson scroll if a company had put too much Water/gas ( forgot what it is )

is it possable to hear it

[crimson scroll]

you mean the liquid/vapor in a vapor chamber?

[lucid fog]

does this help

listen to it

[crimson scroll]

that just sounds like the fan

plus some crinkling noises

doesn't sound like liquid

there is vapor in there but you'd have to put a lot in for it to be sloshing when the computer's off

[lucid fog]

Well it odd cause it does not do it when my Computer is Flat

[crimson scroll]

well...the computer probably wasn't meant to be used sideways

could be your hard drive if you have one

[lucid fog]

SSD

i'm testing to see if putting the laptop on its side ( Since I use it as a desktop anyways ) would reduce temps as heat goes up, Soo i though if the hottest part is up high it might help with temps

[crimson scroll]

eh

the height doesn't matter so much as obstructions

even in a big atx case the fact that heat rises pretty much does not matter

your fans are more powerful

with that dinky little fan, the important thing is that you get fresh air in

so your laptop should be cooler, but not because the hot part is up

it'll be cooler because it's getting fresh air and it's able to exhaust fresh air, as opposed to being on a table or a lap normally where it's got less clearance

or it'll still reach the same temp with some more performance gains

[lucid fog]

Well I want temps as Low as possable Because of my tasks, I do Folding@Home

[crimson scroll]

yeah

afterburner didn't really work on my laptop gpu but i would try that to limit temps

better to get fewer points and have your hardware last longer

also, you can take a bag of frozen peas and put it under the heatpipes

[lucid fog]

i'v undervolted & underclocked my GPU,

I cap my temps around 70c before I try to call it off, or try to get temps lower

[crimson scroll]

in general i think it's a bad idea to run intensive stuff on laptops, especially since a lot of them aren't thermally designed well

but good on you for folding

[lucid fog]

Been folding for 4 Years trying to help as out much as I can

[crimson scroll]

nice, how many points

[lucid fog]

i think 44M or soo

not much

[crimson scroll]

wew

more than me

[lucid fog]

you can get more point just by Setting a Passkey

[crimson scroll]

you mean logging in?

yeah, i've done that

[lucid fog]

I get around 90K per Day

depends on the WU

[crimson scroll]

my estimated ppd fluctuates in the high hundred thousands to millions but i never get that many WU

[lucid fog]

so you have Large WU or Small WU set ?

or have you just left it on Auto

[crimson scroll]

17.1 million on 250 WU

left on auto

[lucid fog]

I kinda cheated a Little 😅 well Not cheated just smart move to boost my WU up

Sorry i'm on 49M with 13,457 WU done

[crimson scroll]

yeah

i don't run it consistently

[lucid fog]

Idle only ?

[crimson scroll]

turned it off after may since i went home and i don't want to consume more power

[lucid fog]

ah

[crimson scroll]

and i turn it off when playing games or doing any intensive work

[lucid fog]

Ye I pause it when i need more power

[crimson scroll]

that's what i'm at

I'm getting a 1080ti soon but my psu doesn't have the cables or the wattage to handle both so

[lucid fog]

@crimson scroll

you would easy beat me with your RIG in about like 4 months or soo 😂

[dusky crag]

should i put discord on my nvme

[lucid fog]

thats up to you

discord is small program is does not need really fast read

[dusky crag]

so sata

[lucid fog]

use your nvme for boot or importent stuff your gonna be using every day. once discord is loaded its in RAM

i would say sata,

[dusky crag]

like if i main a game i should put it on my nvme

[lucid fog]

how big is your nvme and your sata

ssd

[dusky crag]

i’m going to get a 1tb nvme and maybe 1 or 2 tb ssd

[crimson scroll]

yeah, i think discord on sata is fine

it doesn't really require fast read or write speeds

you could put it on a hard drive and it'd probably be fine, just slower to start up

[dusky crag]

what’s a good ssd

[crimson scroll]

for storage?

or what purpose

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/edit#gid=0 i'd use this and look for features you need

[dusky crag]

to open stuff

[crimson scroll]

"open stuff" you mean run programs?

[dusky crag]

yea

[crimson scroll]

what kind of programs

[dusky crag]

and i’m going to have hdds for storage

programs like discord adobe photoshop illustrator

[crimson scroll]

literally any ssd will do for those

you can get 2tb of a good ssd like the mx500 for around 180

but there's no point in getting such a large ssd for that

[dusky crag]

so if i get a large ssd there’s no point for hdds?

[crimson scroll]

that's not what i'm saying

hdds are great for backups and storage

i'm saying if you literally only need to launch a couple of programs, you shouldn't get a separate 1 or 2tb ssd for that

you can just put them on the nvme

if you've got the money, sure, you can use sata ssds as storage and replace your hard drives

[dusky crag]

ok

are ssds just hdds but faster

if you were to use the as storage

[crimson scroll]

no matter what you use them as they're generally faster, yes

[dusky crag]

is it possible to use nvmes as storage

[crimson scroll]

sure

if you do heavy video editing

people will raid nvme drives together

there's no set role for different kinds of storage mediums

it's not like you can only use nvme for boot drives, sata ssds for games, and hard drives as picture archival

you can do whatever you want

it's just that there's generally recommended use cases based on price and speed and durability

[dusky crag]

if i have photoshop on my nvme can i open files to photoshop if the files are on my ssd

[crimson scroll]

yes

what happens is everything gets loaded in ram

[dusky crag]

oh

[crimson scroll]

so photoshop is opened

and then it pulls the files from the ssd onto your ram

and then you push it back from the ram onto the ssd when you save

[dusky crag]

32 gigs of ram is already enough right

[crimson scroll]

simplified explanation

32gigs for what purpose

[dusky crag]

video editing

[crimson scroll]

for gaming? probably yes unless you go bonkers with mods in minecraft or something

for video editing it depends on the file size

[dusky crag]

but it’s more than enough for average?

[crimson scroll]

yeah

I will say that i've done 1440p clips of about 2-3 minutes no problem on my 16gb of ram

[safe cradle]

for gaming? probably yes unless you go bonkers with mods in minecraft or something
heavily modded minecraft only requires 8gb

and that's if you really go overboard

[unborn kiln]

I have seen people go up more then that

[atomic dust]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/cwgTdm

imma buy all my parts now

[devout wolf]

wait a sec

@atomic dust https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/HDwtV7

[atomic dust]

?

why 3200 speed i chose 3600

since amd is more demanding

[devout wolf]

well

that was 3600cl18

same as 3200cl16 but with imc stress

[atomic dust]

well i bought it by now : /

i allready have one tho

il just refund the one i ordered

does anyone know at what time rtx 3080 fe edition releses

[devout wolf]

6am or 9am PST

[atomic dust]

what pay kind can i buy it with i need to know since my paypals blocked

[faint kiln]

hi

so

i have a problem

my second monitor doesnt work

can somebody help me

[devout wolf]

@RuslanAGAmer#8290 is it connected to your gpu

bruh mobile pings

[sweet skiff]

hi i got a problem, i currently have a 2070 super which is thick enough that i needed a gpu holder so that the fans didnt hit my SSD, the problem is.. would i need a new motherboard if i wanted to get a 3080...would it be too tall to fit my ssd?...the slot i have my ssd in is the only 1 that i could find.

[tough hazel]

use pc part picker to check compatibility

works for me

[sweet skiff]

cool will do ty

[tough hazel]

np

[devout wolf]

dont think pcpp checks for that lmao

[tough hazel]

it can check compatibility

but you need exact names so it might take a while

[sweet skiff]

i see

[devout wolf]

they literally say it

[sweet skiff]

oof

[devout wolf]

pcpp doesn't take into account physical measurements of stuff

so wait

m.2 ssd?

[sweet skiff]

ye

[devout wolf]

oh does it have a big heatsink on it?

[sweet skiff]

yep

can i send pics in this channel

[devout wolf]

well i mean if the 2070s fits, the 3080 should also fit

yeah you can

all gpus have equal spacing from the pcie slot

[crimson scroll]

rafee it wasn't a mobile ping issue

the guy isn't in the server

[devout wolf]

makes sense lol

did they fix mobile pings when there is a symbol in the name?

[sweet skiff]

my ssd is the colourfull thing

[crimson scroll]

you got the xpg s40g?

[sweet skiff]

i got the Aorus AIC nvme thing

this dumb thing

[crimson scroll]

oh it's pcie directly

[sweet skiff]

ye

[crimson scroll]

well how many slots thick is your 2070s

[sweet skiff]

2.7 apparently

[crimson scroll]

i'm sure there will be some 3080 that are around there

the main issue is that your ssd is blocking air to your gpu no matter what

[sweet skiff]

cool so all ill need is a new PSU then...hopefully

the main issue is that your ssd is blocking air to your gpu no matter what
@crimson scroll ye but it "seems" to be doing fine in terms of temp

[crimson scroll]

it's probably downclocking a bit to keep temps fine

you said you needed the bracket to keep the fans from touching the ssd

[sweet skiff]

ye

[crimson scroll]

that means the ssd is basically acting as a cover on the fans

so the fans have to draw air from 90 degrees instead of straight below the gpu

[sweet skiff]

well the ssd doesnt cover the fans completely but ya it still covers them a bit

[crimson scroll]

the alternative is to sell that and get a m.2 drive

easier form factor to work with imo

[sweet skiff]

true

[crimson scroll]

what motherboard do you have?

[sweet skiff]

Gigabyte B250-DH3

[crimson scroll]

that's such a weird combo

[sweet skiff]

ya i got it when i 1st got this pc with a 1060