#💻-building-a-pc

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devout wolf
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rgb fusion almost broke my m.2 lmao
@whole lagoon your motherboard is next

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no joke

whole lagoon
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?

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how?

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@devout wolf

devout wolf
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right so basically

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There were reports of bricked Gigabyte Aorus Z390 motherboards caused by dumping SMBus address 0x68 in an attempt to reverse engineer the RGB.

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controlling the rgb kills the motherboard

whole lagoon
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ohh

devout wolf
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not with rgb fusion, you're good

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just joking about that

whole lagoon
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oh ok

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can we all agree armoury crate sucks and aura is better

crimson scroll
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anyways, everybody asking about what board they should buy. there is almost no reason to go for b450. if you're REALLY on a budget, maybe the b450m pro4. but if you can spend any more, which you should be with a 3700x, then you can get a very good b550 board for around $120

devout wolf
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but if you try to bypass their extremely garbage software and control the chip itself, it can kill the mobo

whole lagoon
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oh yeah i see

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its just my gpu tho

devout wolf
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aura sucks sometimes, had to reinstall windows multiple times for it to stop with the AuraService error

whole lagoon
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yeah me too

crimson scroll
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pretty much all rgb software sucks

devout wolf
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icue is the least worst

supple narwhal
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@devout wolf understood

whole lagoon
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the thing that worked for me was jsut to boot in safe mode after turning off my psu before the pc

devout wolf
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the reason gigabyte motherboard die, is pretty silly

whole lagoon
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icue has a huge learners curve

devout wolf
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the smbus address for the rgb controller used to be 0x68

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but on z390, it's the VRM control

whole lagoon
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but i love it tbh over everything even synapse

devout wolf
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you see where this is going?

whole lagoon
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yeah :/

supple narwhal
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what should i go for , b550 or x 470?

crimson scroll
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no point in going for x470 now

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when buying new

supple narwhal
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availability is a bit issue for b550 here i guess ill wait more

devout wolf
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x470 gaming plus max is sometimes the same price as a tomahawk max

crimson scroll
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where are you located

supple narwhal
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india

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at last i got asrock b550 available here

devout wolf
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better not be hdv

supple narwhal
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but it has a 8+4 cpu power

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its steel legend

devout wolf
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meh

supple narwhal
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i psu only have a 8 pin connector

crimson scroll
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$202

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ouch

supple narwhal
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i need 7.1 audio this one dont have it

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so if i leave the other 4 pin connector empty it wont be a issue?

crimson scroll
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yeah

devout wolf
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i mean it supports 7.1 with the front panel

supple narwhal
devout wolf
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or just get a dac

supple narwhal
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steel legend is expensive ut looks so good

devout wolf
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that's the only thing good about SL

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looks

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you can have 7.1 with the pro4 too, 6 channels in the rear and 2 in the front panel

supple narwhal
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MSI B550-A PRO ATX looks good too and its cheap

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what do you by msi shady?

devout wolf
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their practices with reviewers

supple narwhal
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MSI B550-A PRO ATX seems acctually good and i will save some money too

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are there any other options i should consider?

crimson scroll
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what are b450 prices like over there

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might be worth considering those in non-us regions

supple narwhal
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they are the same as b550

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but i have made up my mind im gonna go MSI B550-A PRO ATX or asrock steel legend b550

lofty oriole
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I'm using an asus b450f and I just upgraded to a corsair 16 gb 2x8gb 3600mhz. I have enabled docp and manualy set my clock to 3600mhz but cpu z and task manager continue to report 2133mhz. I have checked and it is on the compatibility list. If anyone knows aa solution I'd appreciate it

last grotto
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Bruh I can talk again

crimson scroll
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manually set to 3600?

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try xmp

analog radish
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Hey y'all first post in this community, i went on reddit to ask for advice and opinions but the subreddit i tried needed permission to post, so I thought I'd try here. I'm eventually getting around to building a PC for the first time, and I was wondering if what I cobbled together is fine, and I don't quite know what the compatibility errors at the bottom mean, and what I should do to fix them, or what needs to be bought in addition, thanks in advance! https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/P3dYMc

crimson scroll
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it's...pretty outdated and mismatched

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that processor is 3 generations old now and is way overpriced

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and intel doesn't really care about fast memory, not as much as ryzen chips. you'd be better off getting 3200cl16 or 3600cl16 unless you're really into memory tuning and overclocking

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the compatibility notes are just warnings, most won't be issues. for example, the m.2 shares bandwidth with a sata port. that just means if you buy a m.2 drive and use it, you won't be able to use as many sata drives as if you didn't plug in the m.2 drive

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whats your budget @analog radish

analog radish
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Erm, idk, I’m not building it for a while so I’m probably going to buy parts bit by bit overtime until I have all the parts I need to build

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But like, £1200 for the pc itself?

crimson scroll
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thats generally not recommended since prices fluctuate, new parts come out

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and you don't want to buy a part, sit on it for three weeks, then find out its defective and you can't RMA it

analog radish
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So I should like, buy everyone at once, still like £1200 then I guess

crimson scroll
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for the most part, yup

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some things won't change, like the power supply, in terms of technology

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but even then, prices change

analog radish
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The processor that’s outdated is the intel i7 right?

crimson scroll
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i can put together a list so you know in general what to look for

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correct

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also, what are you going to be doing with the system

analog radish
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Really? That’s outdated? 😮

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Gaming

crimson scroll
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just gaming? any production?

analog radish
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I’d want something that can at least run Overwatch, or apex at 144Hz, 144fps 1080p

crimson scroll
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and yeah, you put in a 7700k. of the same tier, there's now been the 8700k, 9700k, and 10700k

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esports titles are easy to run

analog radish
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Yeah lol

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Which is why I went for not the most expensive stuff

crimson scroll
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for pure gaming only, i would recommend the 10600k over the ryzen 3600, and we can make it fit in your budget

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overall though, the 3600 will be cheaper and better price/perf

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and it will handle your esports titles just fine

analog radish
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The reason I’m going for intel, not amd, might seem stupid but, the MSI processor works with steelseries prismsync

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And the processor only seemed to be compatible with intel, not amd

crimson scroll
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uh

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you mean the motherboard?

analog radish
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Yes lol

crimson scroll
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the processor is made by intel, the motherboard is made by MSI, sourcing the chipset from intel

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honestly, i would not say that's a premium i would pay. especially not for a chip and motherboard that's outdated by three generations

analog radish
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I just thought it’d be cool to have my pc rgb’s matching up with all my steelseries gear but if that msi motherboard is really not worth it I can reconsider haha

crimson scroll
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7700k prices are wild too because there are no new ones

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it's all people trying to scalp old ones

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a new 10700k isn't even that much

analog radish
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I would get a newer msi motherboard, but I’ve looked and it seems like that is literally the only one that works with the steelseries engine, I even saw a steelseries mod post a response to someone asking being like “that one is the only one MSI got us to do” lol

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but rgb isn’t super important, it’s your say if it’s a bad motherboard or not

crimson scroll
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bad by today's standards

analog radish
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darn

crimson scroll
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does the 1200 pounds include the monitor in the price?

analog radish
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erm, doesn’t need to I guess

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I already have one monitor

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I currently use a laptop as my second monitor with an msi monitor as my main

crimson scroll
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okay

analog radish
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So if I got a desktop I’d need a second monitor xP

crimson scroll
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well, the current list i have has a 5700xt and r5 3600

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with that, i would recommend hitting 2560x1440p @144hz

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those monitors will be around 250 to 400 pounds

analog radish
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Oof yeah I don’t care about anything about 1080p 144hz

crimson scroll
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it'll be overkill for esports titles for sure

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now, depending on when exactly you plan to buy, this recommendation may change.

sturdy comet
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wouldent go for MWE tho

analog radish
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yeah, but I may as well get something that can run a little more than an esports title to somewhat futureproof my system, rather than getting a system that can run esports titles and it’s outdated hella fast

crimson scroll
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we don't know how rtx 3000 series launch will affect gpu prices

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mwe gold is b tier on ltt psu list, it's fine

analog radish
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I’m out right now but when I get home I’ll have a looksee at your updated build, thanks for the help!

sturdy comet
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there are better ones fo the same price tho

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but yeah, could do the job

crimson scroll
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you could go pure power 11 cm for 10 pounds cheaper i guess

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same tier

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but that's semi modular

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something you and I clash a lot about @sturdy comet is that you always try to min/max performance

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it's more about balance for me

analog radish
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Is something being semi modular important?

crimson scroll
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if we're spending 1k+ on a build, i think we should do fully modular

analog radish
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Or, important for someone like me lol

crimson scroll
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@analog radish not particularly

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semi modular means you'll have the 24 pin and cpu 8 pin connector permanently affixed to the power supply

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and the other cables you attach as you need

analog radish
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...

sturdy comet
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if going for balance, why not take something better for the price?

crimson scroll
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fully modular everything is separate and you attach as you need

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@sturdy comet then link it

sturdy comet
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since MWE is known for not the best out there

analog radish
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What is MWE?

crimson scroll
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branding by coolermaster

sturdy comet
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why link? there are plenty choises that could be better tbh

crimson scroll
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"you can do better"

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doesn't prove it

analog radish
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Ah, coolermaster, really? They seem highly recommended

sturdy comet
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could go on a seasonic focus gx

crimson scroll
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they make a lot of different products at a lot of different tiers

sturdy comet
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^^

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i got a V series myself

crimson scroll
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they make stock intel and amd coolers for example

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the GX isn't on the pcpp list

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focus plus gold is about the same as the mwe though

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also you have to be careful about the seasonic focus units with high power GPUs, if they're not the new oneseasonic units

analog radish
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Yeah some of the stuff I researched wasn’t on their site, so I just, picked something similar lol

analog radish
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Just looked at your updated build and wow you changed like, everything haha

crimson scroll
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pretty much

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the case you picked is excellent though

analog radish
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Yeah I love the look of it, was going to go for the none rgb version cuz of the msi motherboard rgb being synced with prismsync, but now that I’m probably not getting that one I’ll go with the rgb case haha

crimson scroll
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rgb version has fans anyways

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and you can turn off rgb

analog radish
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true true

crimson scroll
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i would add on one extra exhaust fan

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the 3 included fans are all intake i believe

analog radish
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But for what I need your build is fine?

devout wolf
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Yeah I love the look of it, was going to go for the none rgb version cuz of the msi motherboard rgb being synced with prismsync, but now that I’m probably not getting that one I’ll go with the rgb case haha
@analog radish only the z270 gaming pro carbon supports prismsync

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oh wait

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that's the one in the list lmao

crimson scroll
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yeah, for what you need my build is overkill

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but like you said, it'll be a pc you can keep for a while and be happy with, assuming you're just gaming

devout wolf
lean quarry
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I want to make a new pc with a rtx 2070 super, amd ryzen 5 3600X and a Asus Rog Strix B450-F. Is it a good combination or not?

devout wolf
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don't get 3600x

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get the non-x, and the strix b450-f is meh

lean quarry
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Ok but what motherboard then

lean quarry
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Thanks for the advice

devout wolf
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@lean quarry you can also save more money and go for the pro4 if you want to

lean quarry
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Thanks

devout wolf
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and last thing, which 2070 super variant are you going with?

lean quarry
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I think the gigabyte gaming oc 3x or somothing in that direction

analog radish
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lol @devout wolf

devout wolf
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hm?

analog radish
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you pinged me about which motherboard supports prismsync, then realised that’s the one I listed lol

devout wolf
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ah lol

noble oak
unborn kiln
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Might want to check out the white case. I personally like it better..

noble oak
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I saw it. I personally like it, but I'm unsure how it'll look in my room. But I'll make a deicision soon. (my room is black and white, but I have Blue Led's)

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@unborn kiln

unborn kiln
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👍

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Is there a reason you went with a WiFi card over Ethernet?

noble oak
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Router is too far.

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and there's no way my family is gonna let me have the router in my room or run a cord through the house to my PC

devout wolf
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there are a few things i'd change in the list

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do not pay $100 for a p400a

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the p400a digital costs the same

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but i'd get a bitfenix nova mesh tg 4argb since it has an extra fan

naive dagger
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rafee what did he get sued for o

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thats tough

devout wolf
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idk something harassment, server raid something

naive dagger
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lol

noble oak
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exactly.

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bro they make lists for people but think a lot of older parts are better than current ones.

devout wolf
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sometimes they are

noble oak
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Like they said CX650 W is better than CXM650 W. (Both 80+ Bronze)

devout wolf
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lmao

noble oak
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Im sometimes confused why they do that, and they recommended me another wifi card since it's 'better' but I went to check reviews and they were so bad.

devout wolf
noble oak
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it was like bad drivers and connection issues because of the attennas.

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I like it.

devout wolf
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the motherboard might go out of stock really soon; in that case get a b450-a pro max

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NOT the B450M-A Pro

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the mATX one is garbage lol

noble oak
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lol

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alre

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*alr

devout wolf
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that was pretty rude of them to call you trash doe

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@mystic folio SHUT

noble oak
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nah it

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*all good

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they do make good lists tho.

devout wolf
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do they? polygon_thonk

noble oak
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but I feel bad because there's a lot of fortnite builds coming through for them.

devout wolf
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i mean they did tell you to get a 650w psu

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when the pc only consumes like 375

noble oak
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Yea...

frigid phoenix
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before buying brand new parts be sure to check if there is some sort of outlet. My friend got aorus b450 elite for like 20% cheaper because it was used for 7 days and lacked box

devout wolf
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650w can power a 3950x+2080ti

noble oak
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Wait, the motherboard just came by itself or in another package?

devout wolf
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open box

noble oak
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oh

frigid phoenix
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no no

noble oak
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that's a rip.

frigid phoenix
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it was packed in the antystatic foil

devout wolf
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in a antistatic bag

frigid phoenix
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brand new

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and packed in normal grey box

noble oak
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oof.

devout wolf
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io sheild included?

frigid phoenix
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Yes

devout wolf
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that's fine tbh

frigid phoenix
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Everything

devout wolf
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am4 doesn't have pins

frigid phoenix
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Besides box and manual

devout wolf
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intel mobos have the cover in the socket

noble oak
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by the way rafee, idk if it's the lighting for the pictures for the case but it seems to bright lol

devout wolf
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case is white, the black one is OOS

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there are a few other choices

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lemme link all of them

frigid phoenix
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Ah also about PSU. It may look not important but ALWAYS be sure to pick good PSU

noble oak
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DM it so it isn't spammed here

devout wolf
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it's fine, i'll remove the embeds

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Ah also about PSU. It may look not important but ALWAYS be sure to pick good PSU
@frigid phoenix i chose a tier b+

noble oak
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CX650 W is worse than an CXM650 W right?

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the carter guys were telling me to get a CX over CXM RIP

frigid phoenix
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If you want to go with 3600X and 2070S I would recommend paying little bit more and getting 700W PSU

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or normal 3600

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it's not that much of a price difference but you will be way safer

devout wolf
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why 3600x tho?

frigid phoenix
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just example

devout wolf
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and why 700????

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650w can power a 3950x+2080ti

unborn kiln
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No need for 700w

frigid phoenix
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but with 650W you will have almost no reserve

pearl river
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Go for 1500 then u know ur good

noble oak
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Go for 1500 then u know ur good
@pearl river ur gonna make my electric bill go up and up lol

unborn kiln
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Go for 1500 then u know ur good
@pearl river Far too little headroom I'd go with a 1800w

frigid phoenix
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When 2080ti will go full power 650W will be barelly enough

devout wolf
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ok

noble oak
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2080ti right now from Nvidia is a horrible price to performance.

unborn kiln
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@pearl river ur gonna make my electric bill go up and up lol
@noble oak What?
If anything it will go down because of the efficiency

devout wolf
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When 2080ti will go full power 650W will be barelly enough
@frigid phoenix how much power do you think a 2080ti pulls

noble oak
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oh wait what.

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mb lol

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imagine how much a 3090 ti will need for power.

devout wolf
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here's the thing

pearl river
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12 pin

devout wolf
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that's been proven false

pearl river
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Ahaa that rymes

devout wolf
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the 2080ti pulls the same power as a 980ti

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since the architecture got smaller, power draw also decreased

frigid phoenix
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My setup has estimated wattage of 430W and somehow it still can go out with 600W PSU

devout wolf
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which psu?

frigid phoenix
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SilentiumPC Vero M1

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R5 3600X
ASUS PRIME B450-PLUS
RTX 2080S

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estimated wattage is around 430W but GPU while in stress can pull so much that PSU won't have enough power

devout wolf
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and wdym by 'go out'?

frigid phoenix
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it just turns off

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Because it has no enough power

unborn kiln
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Which psu shuts down?

frigid phoenix
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If you try to pull out too much power, every

devout wolf
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596w on 12v rail

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how much power does your 2080S pull when it shuts off?

frigid phoenix
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between 450 and 500 iirc

devout wolf
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that's not normal

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unless you have shuntmodded it

frigid phoenix
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It's stock

devout wolf
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there is a physical shunt resistor preventing a 2080s from pulling that much power

frigid phoenix
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it's not even overclocked because it shuts off on stresstest when trying to apply overclocking

devout wolf
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first, the BIOS limit is 255w

unborn kiln
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That is not normal

devout wolf
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if your power limit is on 100% then it's 250w

unborn kiln
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What does the GPU pull at idel?

frigid phoenix
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Then GPU TweakII is not working properly

devout wolf
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don't use that

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i used to use it and it's absolute garbage

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just use afterburner

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and HWInfo64 to monitor power draw

frigid phoenix
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I don't overclock using it. I just use it to watch temp and few other things like "game booster" which works just good enough

devout wolf
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i guess just use hwinfo64 then

frigid phoenix
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Also then, what else can be a reason of PC just shutting down on giant stress

noble oak
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I feel bad for anyone who doesn't know anywhere else to order parts from except amazon.

frigid phoenix
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not buying from local shops

noble oak
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here in hawaii we have no computer shops lol

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only apple and microsoft basically.

frigid phoenix
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you must have some sort of online shop

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that is not amazon

noble oak
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yea.

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oh wait mb, we have best buy.

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but not much inventory at best buy.

unborn kiln
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only apple and microsoft basically.
@noble oak I believe Microsoft is shutting down retail stores

noble oak
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..........

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Dang they didn't have any business in Alo Moana anyway.

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They were right beside the apple store too

unborn kiln
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Tbh I didn't even know they had retail stores till recently

frigid phoenix
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I just checked, you have plenty of computer shops on hawaii

noble oak
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im in moanalua side.

frigid phoenix
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google showed me there are at least 5 shops in honolulu

noble oak
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send me a link to one of them pls, desperate bc I don't really wanna get all my parts from shipping

frigid phoenix
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I mean, just google "hawaiian computer shops"

devout wolf
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kuwait pcpp peepoHappy

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only newegg smh my head

noble oak
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We need a Microcenter here.

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it's all computer repair shops thump anyways to get there it's about a 2 hour drive anyway. I live on the other side of the island lmfao

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hawaii is the worst state to build a PC tbh

crimson scroll
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alaska?

pallid plinth
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i need some atx case recommendations

devout wolf
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budget?

frigid phoenix
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and do you want straight up best airflow or what

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Best airflow is Fractal Design Meshify C

crimson scroll
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Wrong

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The case is kinda outdated now too, needs extra fans like some cheaper budget cases

noble oak
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Spent the whole day on a new cost effective list

crimson scroll
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If you can find the meshify c for the right price, it can be a good choice

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But at the price it's been floating around of 90usd, not good

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I'm not at home so I can't check the specs on that Vulcan, but the sn550 is too good to pass up at its current sale price

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Also a 1080p 144hz monitor with a 2070s is kind of low

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And for even more budget drop to the b550m pro4

noble oak
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ooooooo. That sounds good, thanks. I agree i'd rather replace the SSD in the new list with the sn550

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I dont wanna use sata cables is basically what im trying to say

devout wolf
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the case >.>

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and yeah if you're going b550 then get pro4 instead

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is x470 gaming plus max OOS already?

noble oak
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I don’t think so.

crimson scroll
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hmm, rumors point the 3060 at $400, 3070 at $600, 3080 at $800 and 3090 at 1400

molten basalt
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its all rumors until they come out

crimson scroll
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yep, that's why i said rumors

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i don't really see this shaking up most of the builds we've been making here though

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most budget up to a 2060 super/5700xt

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unless the 3060 offers significant gains, it's probably not worth it (as all initial launches) especially since you'll still be able to get new 2xxx cards and likely for 30-50 bucks cheaper

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all predicated on the assumption that those rumors are true, of course

next iris
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thats usd right?

devout wolf
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if 3060 doesn't beat the 2070S, a 5700xt might be a competitor

crimson scroll
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Yeah, usd

lean quarry
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How much do you guys think the rtx 3060 gonna cost?

merry dew
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Rumours say 400 USD

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keep in mind they are rumours. still gonna favour amd over this (time will show) since the hasty release of the RTX 2000 series was a bit depressing on how they really didnt bring stuff to a new level.

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(not gonna buy them though)

crimson scroll
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400 usd for the lowest tier on release, up to 1400 according to rumors

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Don't expect a high end card for 400 unfortunately

frigid phoenix
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I would say 2070 / 2070S performance for 400$

mellow ferry
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no.

noble oak
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so first u need the beans

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aka the motherboard

mellow ferry
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then the RGB

noble oak
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are youtube links blocked in this chat

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probably

mellow ferry
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no

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scroll up like 10 msgs

noble oak
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this video

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ius a perfect example

tribal schooner
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a cheap,rgb,and clean case is the thermaltake v2000 4 stock fans case

wide depot
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its not that hard to be honest the only hard thing about it is cables

last fossil
#

anyone in chat willing to help me with something?

lusty apex
#

what is it?

last fossil
#

i finished my pc, however im getting lag like bad no matter what game i throw at it and im not sure if its my wifi ping or if i need to do something else with the more in depth settings

lusty apex
#

i dont know much about pc's but it might have to do something with the router

median rivet
#

What kind of lag are we talkin

last fossil
#

thats what i thought

#

like possible 15 frames/ sec

#

and i have a beefy pc

lusty apex
#

thats really bad

last fossil
#

its unplayable

lusty apex
#

how is the monitor?

median rivet
#

Hold windows+r and type in dxdiag

last fossil
#

under 5 mills of response time

lusty apex
#

ok so its definetly not the monitor or pc

wide depot
#

no its his pc

median rivet
#

Then go to display 1 and does it say the gpu you've got at the top

wide depot
#

something in there isnt right

last fossil
#

the windows button+r didnt do anything

wide depot
#

you sure you built it good or messed it up?

lusty apex
#

what are the specs?

last fossil
#

positive however when doing the bios update i didnt really touch it when it came to that

wide depot
#

can be the gpu cpu power supply or thermal

last fossil
#

i have the dxdiag

median rivet
#

What gpu you got?

wide depot
#

and cpu

last fossil
#

amd ryzen 5 3600 6 core cpu

wide depot
#

gpu?

last fossil
#

and i know its stupid but gpu is what

#

hvant slept in 3 days

#

lol

wide depot
#

graphics card

lusty apex
#

the thing my computer doesnt have

last fossil
#

wow doesnt even tell me hold on lemme find the box

wide depot
#

get nzxt cam

last fossil
#

msi radeon 5500 xt

lusty apex
#

im guessing its pre made?

wide depot
#

um

#

i dont have a clue with msi stuff

#

whats that to rtx?

lusty apex
#

how much ram does it have?

last fossil
#

i have no clue when it come to rtx lol

#

16gb

wide depot
#

its easy to see

lusty apex
#

all i know about rtx is that minecraft looks way too realistic

wide depot
#

you ether have a busted part,didnt make it correctly or one of your parts are bad

lusty apex
#

my guess is the router

wide depot
#

bruh

#

that doesnt affect frames

lusty apex
#

listen man i dont know much about computers

last fossil
#

to be fair my pind rockets to 1000 aometimes

#

ping*

#

sometimes

wide depot
#

thats just wifi

#

not frames

#

like i said

last fossil
#

and it does affect frames

lusty apex
#

what games do you play?

last fossil
#

borderlands 2

wide depot
#

something in your pc is broke or not good to stay with the others

last fossil
#

that kinda stuff

#

like borderlands 2 just crashed

wide depot
#

sauce

last fossil
#

from framerate

lusty apex
#

if all is lost just restart the pc

#

that definetly works all the time

#

totally

wide depot
#

restarting not gona do anything

lusty apex
#

you dont say

last fossil
#

it could be thermal induction

lusty apex
#

does you pc overheat alot?

wide depot
#

did you put paste on the cpu?

crimson scroll
#

what

#

thermal induction

#

we're spewing out nonsense

last fossil
#

no but im in a hot room

wide depot
#

open a window

crimson scroll
#

there is no magnetism involved

#

therefore, no induction

last fossil
#

thermal induction in when it absorbs heat

lusty apex
#

ive got nothing my advice is to just pray that it works out

crimson scroll
#

that's just called hot air going into your case lmao

last fossil
#

wrong word i guess then?

wide depot
#

i said its a part not air or wifi

crimson scroll
#

thermal radiation

wide depot
#

one of your parts are doing something you dont want them to do

last fossil
#

however my pc was wasnt running as hard at the start and no i can hear my fans

#

sooo

#

coul be that

#

could

lusty apex
#

wait is this a pre made pc?

last fossil
#

no

crimson scroll
#

so

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you never answered jacob

#

did you put paste on?

last fossil
#

someone who builds pcs did builds it with me though

wide depot
#

NO

#

ITS AMD

last fossil
#

yes

crimson scroll
#

or did you check that the cooler had preapplied paste

wide depot
#

NO

crimson scroll
#

?

wide depot
#

the cooler has paste on it

#

why

crimson scroll
#

what are you screaming about

last fossil
#

no it didnt

wide depot
#

it does

crimson scroll
#

jesus christ

lusty apex
#

dump the entire pc in thermal paste

last fossil
#

mine came with a tube of paste to apply to it

lusty apex
#

that should work

wide depot
#

its over heating

crimson scroll
#

can't help if people interject with random shit

#

you don't know that it's overheating

naive dagger
#

Sauce boss and saucy raichu??!

crimson scroll
#

he hasn't checked his temps

naive dagger
#

Sauce gang

last fossil
#

didnt know how

lusty apex
#

what kind of sauce?

crimson scroll
#

a lot of non help going on here like "one of yourp arts isn't working"

wide depot
#

nzxt cam

naive dagger
#

Sauce

#

Sauce

crimson scroll
#

so lets try to focus on the problem, okay?

lusty apex
#

we probably wont get much out of this but can you send a picture of the pc?

crimson scroll
#

can you download hwinfo and then run it in the background

last fossil
#

gotvha

crimson scroll
#

and lets see what your idle temps are

wide depot
#

or nzxt

crimson scroll
#

nzxt cam is spyware

#

please don't recommend it just to watch temperatures

wide depot
#

i dont

crimson scroll
#

you just did

wide depot
#

it helps for other stuff

crimson scroll
#

like what

#

if you have nzxt hardware, sure

#

you don't know if he does

wide depot
#

overclocking temp watch specs cooling rgb if you have it

crimson scroll
#

nzxt cam...for overclocking

#

...

#

that's like me telling him to download corsair icue

#

hey, it might be useful!

#

he might have corsair stuff!

wide depot
#

im not telling him to do it lmao

crimson scroll
#

you recommended it

#

by saying "or nzxt"

wide depot
#

just listing what you can do

crimson scroll
#

it's not helpful

#

please stop

lusty apex
#

this is getting off topic

crimson scroll
#

no, it's relevant

#

if you want to help, then don't actually make things worse

median rivet
#

Nzxt is spyware?

#

Thats news to me

crimson scroll
#

CAM is spyware. they've toned it down, but it's still garbage

wide depot
#

if you think about it everything is spyware

crimson scroll
#

...

#

this is the kind of edgy comment a 14 year old makes

wide depot
#

lmao

#

its true tho

crimson scroll
#

it's really not

lusty apex
#

im getting personally attacked

crimson scroll
#

@last fossil how far along are you with hwinfo

lusty apex
#

while we're waiting can someone help me build a pc with a budget of $1000

naive dagger
#

Saucy raichu is very mean guy 😢

crimson scroll
#

@lusty apex USD?

#

and for what purpose

lusty apex
#

yeah

last fossil
#

no saucy just wants to get the problem done

lusty apex
#

gaming

crimson scroll
#

k

last fossil
#

hes not mean the dudes just helpful and wants to focus

naive dagger
#

He blocked me 😢

last fossil
#

its not mean to focus on one thing at a time when everyone is saying a million things at once

crimson scroll
last fossil
#

i wwonder why

crimson scroll
#

oh wait

#

ignore that list

lusty apex
#

ok

crimson scroll
#

i forgot the psu

lusty apex
#

oh

last fossil
#

hey saucy

crimson scroll
#

sup

last fossil
#

i got a temp for you

crimson scroll
#

ok

last fossil
#

72c

crimson scroll
#

what programs are open?

#

that's pretty hot

last fossil
#

yeaa i know

#

im on the 3rd floor

#

which would explain why

#

you think that could be why

crimson scroll
#

maybe

#

what's your ambient temp, and what programs do you have open

#

i don't think it's the sole reason unless you live in a very very hot place, but it could certainly be a factor

last fossil
#

ambient is legit like 94

crimson scroll
#

so around 34c, pretty hot

last fossil
#

only steam and windows and discord

crimson scroll
#

what's your cpu % usage in task manager?

last fossil
#

well 94f

#

22

#

12

crimson scroll
#

okay

last fossil
#

actually

crimson scroll
#

my first guess based on all that is that something is wrong with the thermal solution. Maybe there's not enough mounting pressure, or the fans aren't spinning

#

or the paste is dry/too little paste

#

can you check for all that?

last fossil
#

well i dont need to check the paste i know theres enough i put an extra dab to make sure

crimson scroll
last fossil
#

and fans are a go

crimson scroll
#

okay

#

then it's likely mounting pressure

#

what cooler do you have?

lusty apex
#

Its good

last fossil
#

an amd

crimson scroll
#

the stock cooler?

lusty apex
#

Thanks for making the list

last fossil
#

yea mine came stripped

crimson scroll
#

hm

last fossil
#

need a new one

crimson scroll
#

what do you mean by stripped

last fossil
#

where you mount a plate that houses screws so you can install the thing, basically one of the plates came stripped and its unsuable

crimson scroll
#

sounds like the backplate

last fossil
#

unusable

crimson scroll
#

that's probably the cause then

last fossil
#

probable

crimson scroll
#

if you can't get the screws on the cooler to properly tighten onto the backplate, you won't get good contact between the IHS and the cooler

#

and so it'll run really hot

last fossil
#

i just used the stock one not the other one

crimson scroll
#

there may be other issues causing you to get low fps like not enabling XMP but that definitely sounds like the primary issue, if you're getting 5 fps

#

can you send a picture of the back of the motherboard, where you mounted the backplate?

last fossil
#

that would be a negative

#

the case i have you wouldnt be able to see anything

crimson scroll
#

can you remove the side panel cover? or you don't have access to that right now

last fossil
#

my access to it is blocked

crimson scroll
#

okay

#

well, until you can replace the cooler and broken backplate, i would not use the computer for any heavy workload

#

preferably not at all to avoid overheating the cpu

last fossil
#

i can bring this all to my computer guy i live near and he can diagnose everything and help me out

#

hes a friend of mine so he can prolly get me hooked up

crimson scroll
#

nice

last fossil
#

but i had this problem on my other pc too

#

thats why i upgraded

#

guess i wont be using this thing any time soon

#

lol

#

i appreciate all the help

crimson scroll
#

np

last fossil
#

i will catch you later then saucy

#

well talk soon or ill message you ok?

crimson scroll
#

sure

#

let me know what your friend thinks of the situation

noble oak
lusty apex
#

You can probably get a bigger screen for that price

crimson scroll
#

seems fine for esports titles, but why not go 1440p 144hz

lusty apex
#

The cheapest i found for that was $300

crimson scroll
#

also bigger =/= better, at 1080p, if you go bigger than 24" depending on how far you sit, it can look badly pixelated

lusty apex
#

Oh

noble oak
#

I'm not that far from my desk.

lusty apex
#

I didnt know that

noble oak
#

About like 1-2 in.

#

if it's under 24 in I don't mind.

crimson scroll
#

general rule is about 27" is max for 1080p before it looks awful

#

and even that's stretching it

lusty apex
#

If your willing to spend a little extra I can show you a pretty good monitor

noble oak
#

How much extra?

crimson scroll
#

1440p 144hz for $300 vs your 1080p 240hz for $270, seems worth it to me unless you're going pro in fps titles

noble oak
#

ah you see, I'm trying to max out as much frames as I can get so I'm not to sure about 1440p.

lusty apex
#

$300

noble oak
#

300? that's a little too much my bad

lusty apex
#

Oh

crimson scroll
#

drop to a 5700xt then

#

you'll save hundreds of dollars

noble oak
#

true.

crimson scroll
#

and then you can get whatever monitor

noble oak
#

I'm gonna look into some 5700xt's. I have to go eat dinner, I'll catch you guys later

crimson scroll
#

ciao

devout wolf
#

240hz imo is not worth it at all

#

unless you have godlike- no, actually god reflexes

crimson scroll
#

it's not worth unless you already have 1440p or 4k, or you're going pro

devout wolf
#

it's harder to percieve frames the higher you go

median rivet
#

Nah 240 is lit

devout wolf
#

the brain can see up to infinity but diminishing returns and the fact that the frames are too fast for the brain to read properly make it meh

#

i'd take 1440p144 over 1080p240 any day

#

i could barely notice a difference between 144hz and 240hz

crimson scroll
#

fighter pilots top out at 500 roughly

devout wolf
#

it was the same difference between 60 to 75

median rivet
#

The difference is defo smaller than 60-144 but it's still noticeable to me

crimson scroll
#

and for most people, it won't be worth

median rivet
#

I'll agree with that

crimson scroll
#

more screen real estate with 1440p, the option to scale down if you want

#

it's a perfect match for 720p if you're a cs fiend who cares about frames

#

and if you're playing stretched or even 1080p on esports titles, you don't care that much about how it looks anyways so the downscaling will be fine

devout wolf
#

true

median rivet
#

Ngl the only reason I got the 240 I have is because it was a steal

crimson scroll
#

that's fair

#

sales are always a valid reason for otherwise odd parts

devout wolf
#

just remember that 240hz won't make you better; it will just increase your skill cap. i've seen people spend ~$500 on 1080p240 monitors because their favourite streamer uses one

lusty apex
#

I shouldnt be asking this here but is the razer mamba elite good?

devout wolf
#

the rival 710 is like $10 more

crimson scroll
#

razer cs and 136 grams, yuck

devout wolf
#

or if you want razer get a viper ultralight

crimson scroll
#

i'd rather get a razer viper

#

exactly

#

would be cool if they made a razer viper mini with both sets of side buttons

devout wolf
#

yeah that'd be nice

crimson scroll
#

people need to stop marketing ambidextrous mice like that

#

like yeah, the shape is ambi, but the utility is not

#

i can't use those mice

devout wolf
#

yo

lusty apex
#

Ok thanks

devout wolf
#

you're lefty too?

crimson scroll
#

yeah

devout wolf
#

Pog me too

crimson scroll
#

everyone finds it weird that i use the mouse in my left hand

lusty apex
#

I thought i would get booted from the server

crimson scroll
#

it would be very stupid to have a steelseries circlejerk

devout wolf
#

nah just because this is a ss server doesn't mean we are obligated to shill it at all costs and not mention any other brands

crimson scroll
#

obviously a lot of people here will prefer steelseries

devout wolf
crimson scroll
#

but they have their pros and cons like every other company

devout wolf
#

raichu what do you use instead of WASD? I use PL;'

crimson scroll
#

ijkl

#

more keys around it than pl;'

#

its why esdf is superior to wasd

devout wolf
#

that is true

crimson scroll
#

your fingers should already be on esdf with proper typing posture anyways

#

assuming qwerty and not dvorak

#

or another standard

devout wolf
#

huh

#

it is, index on f

#

dang that's pretty cool

crimson scroll
#

i think i'm gonna buy the fuma 2

devout wolf
#

ah i love that cooler

crimson scroll
#

overkill, but good for future upgrades

devout wolf
#

scythe is underrated

crimson scroll
#

eh

#

its the circlejerk cooler right now on r/buildapcsales

#

or i could save $11 and go with the mugen rev.b....hmm

devout wolf
#

speaking of underrated coolers

crimson scroll
#

nice

#

i love that one

crimson scroll
#

also the macho rt

devout wolf
#

yupyup

crimson scroll
#

and the alphenfon coolers are pretty good in europe

devout wolf
#

ahh i love the macho rt

#

what a chonker

crimson scroll
#

would love if they came over to the US and got more reviews

devout wolf
#

Alpenföhn?

crimson scroll
#

yeah

devout wolf
#

oh wow their LP cooler is neat

crimson scroll
#

i believe be quiet or cryorig has a similar one

devout wolf
#

aaaaaaaaa i love massive air coolers

crimson scroll
#

look at the olymp

#

it's shaped so weirdly

devout wolf
#

what in the world lmao

#

ohh i see

lusty apex
#

Hey can you guys tell me the difference between air and water coolers other than the obvious?

crimson scroll
#

depends on what you consider obvious

#

air is generally cheaper for the performance and less worry about where you position it

#

water has a larger ceiling of cooling capability

#

you just gotta be careful about not killing your pump

lusty apex
#

Ok thanks

crimson scroll
#

air is also less maintenance long term

lusty apex
#

Ive been trying to get into building computers but i dont know where to start

crimson scroll
#

no worry of permeation, leakage, less parts to die, easier to replace parts

#

i would watch reputable youtubers build pcs then

#

don't worry so much about the parts they chose, they often do crazy systems

#

focus more on the order they do things and the reason behind why they do things

devout wolf
#

and also for the most part, higher end air coolers outperform AIOs with 1 fan radiators (120/140mm aio)

crimson scroll
#

right, that's cheaper for the price

lusty apex
#

The only guys i know are linus tech tips and austin john

crimson scroll
#

ltt is fine

#

if you wanna get into fancy watercooling and pretty builds, jayz2cents

#

gamersnexus for in depth reviews and solid testing methodology

lusty apex
#

It sounds like air is alot superior to water

crimson scroll
#

bitwit kyle for...more fancy builds

#

well, each has their own use case

#

for a lot of people I would say yes, air > water because you won't need the extra headroom water provides

lusty apex
#

Water seems like too much of a hassle

#

I guess the bright side is that it looks cool

crimson scroll
#

it can let you be a lot more creative with your builds and overclock higher wattage chips

#

custom loops can get into the thousands of dollars but look great

lusty apex
#

That seems like overkill to me but i can see why people would do it

devout wolf
#

when done right*

crimson scroll
#

well

#

that's why i said "can"

#

not "will"

devout wolf
#

in some cases AIOs just don't perform well enough

crimson scroll
#

gotta get that 420mm rad

devout wolf
#

in some cases AIOs just don't perform well enough
for example, xoc-ing a 10900k

lusty apex
#

Is there such thing as a gel cooling system for pc's

devout wolf
crimson scroll
#

too slow

#

maybe for a low tdp system

#

the point of water/glycerin is to move heat quickly

lusty apex
#

Oh

devout wolf
#

oh okay, gel in the loop

crimson scroll
#

yep

#

no longer cooled

#

stop editing your messages my jokes aren't funny anymore

devout wolf
lusty apex
#

Yes

lean quarry
devout wolf
#

nope

lean quarry
#

then wat is?

devout wolf
#

for what cpu?

lean quarry
#

AMD ryzen 5 3600 or ryzen 7

devout wolf
#

which ryzen 7? if it's the 3700x then just stick with the stock cooler

lean quarry
#

yes but i guess the 5 3600

devout wolf
#

stick with the stock cooler

lean quarry
#

and if overclock?

devout wolf
#

well, don't overclock

#

pretty useless on ryzen 3rd gen

#

barely any gains

lean quarry
#

i have overclock my gpu and it was verry helpfull but i have never overclocked my cpy

devout wolf
#

overclocking isn't the same across every product

lean quarry
#

i know

devout wolf
#

so, just stick with the stock cooler and don't overclock

#

tune your ram if you want performance

lean quarry
#

ok thanks

hallow falcon
#

I have a few new questions about my build

devout wolf
#

ask away

hallow falcon
devout wolf
#

thermal paste is included

#

but

#

there is no reason to get such a beefy cooler for a 3700x

#

the stock cooler is enough

hallow falcon
#

I originally had that, but people told me to change it

devout wolf
#

more things i'd change

#

do you need pcie gen4?

#

if so, get b550

#

x570 isn't really worth it anymore now that b550 is a thing

hallow falcon
#

I have no idea, what is the name of the b550 for me to change?

devout wolf
#

i'm just editing the list while we go

#

next thing, ssd

hallow falcon
#

Ok

hallow falcon
#

The Corsair Airflow and the be quiet! 500DX I originally had

devout wolf
#

for the case just change it to whichever one you want from the above

hallow falcon
#

Great, thanks!

#

What about case fans?

steep garden
#

me a beginner can anyone tell me how to build a pc

devout wolf
#

plenty of useful guides on youtube

latent crypt
#

i'm trying to cobble together a decent budget pc build for me an my friend, can anyone tell me what should/could be changed?

devout wolf
#

a lot of things

#

skylake is about 4 years old at this point, there is no reason to buy it new

latent crypt
#

tbf i think i did start this build like 4 years ago LOL

devout wolf
hallow falcon
#

@devout wolf You mean Arctic F12 Fans? I can’t find p12

devout wolf
#

no, but idk why i can't find P12's on pcpartpicker anymore

hallow falcon
#

Ooooh, okay

devout wolf
latent crypt
#

sick okay

crimson scroll
#

huh

#

the 3600 jumped 20 bucks?

#

why is pcpp picking only newegg

#

there's best buy and walmart for cheaper and pcpp says they're in stock

devout wolf
#

pcpp as usual lmao

crimson scroll
#

i miss $150 3600s

#

we're almost getting to the point where a 10400 might be better value

merry dew
crimson scroll
#

uhhh

#

were we making a parts list for you?

#

i can't find any messages from you in this channel

merry dew
#

Sorry lad, I just put it in as an input

#

no need to get mad

crimson scroll
#

i'm not mad lol

#

just seemed kind of random

merry dew
#

alrighty

devout wolf
#

we're almost getting to the point where a 10400 might be better value
10400f vibe

crimson scroll
#

prices on that one are jacked up too lol, 215 for that on amazon

merry dew
#

Oh lawd why

crimson scroll
#

msrp is $150

devout wolf
#

lmfao

crimson scroll
#

ridiculous

devout wolf
#

oh dang that's a good price

crimson scroll
#

yeah

#

even if it's locked, it's a good enough processor at the right price

#

for pure gaming

devout wolf
#

yeah, it beats the 2600 which is the same price

crimson scroll
devout wolf
#

and this time it doesn't have a thread disadvantage

crimson scroll
#

the 2600 realistically shouldn't be more than $130

devout wolf
#

yup

crimson scroll
#

it's in a weird spot since the 3300x exists for gaming

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and if you wanted productivity you'd spend the extra 20 for the 3600

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used it's like...100,110ish

devout wolf
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memtest is so slowww on 2400mhz E_PepoSleeper

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hopefully doesn't crash doe, 2400 14-15-15-36 on 1.2v brrr

crimson scroll
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but why

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can't you up the voltage and go faster

devout wolf
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will try that

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last time i tried 2666 it crashed lol

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spectek dies

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which are the worst bins of micron

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yeah no it refuses to even boot with 2533mhz

crimson scroll
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Rip

dusky crag
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I’m looking to build a pc can anyone tell me what rtx 2080 ti i should go for

devout wolf
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founders is good enough but why are they so expensive rn? tHONK

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i'd recommend waiting for the RTX 30 series

echo zealot
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i mean
if just wait for the new stuffs you'd literally never finish a pc

devout wolf
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if you wanna pay $1800 for a 2080ti sure i guess lol shruggif

echo zealot
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just get the 2070super

devout wolf
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rtx 30 series is only a few months away anyway

echo zealot
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cant wait to buy sold out gpu's lol

devout wolf
echo zealot
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why rely on what could be a flop when you could get a gpu that's still high end

dusky crag
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do gpus restock or they’re limited

sturdy comet
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nvidia 2000 series is stopped in production

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only a few more days before 3000 series launch

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so probably wont restock if talking about these cards

weak linden
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Wait for the 3000 series

abstract nimbus
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Hi

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Razer huntsman elite vs steel series Apex pro

sturdy comet
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both hard overpriced in my opinion

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also not the right channel to ask (i think?) 🙂

drowsy viper
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what would yall suggest is a good starting budget to build a pc to play games on. It doesnt have to run at max specs but I would like to play fps games and battle royals games if at all possible

devout wolf
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for 1080p60?

lusty apex
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I would say $800

crimson scroll
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for fps games you can go lower

lusty apex
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Oh

crimson scroll
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assuming he means esports titles

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for under 700 you can get a build that will do 1080p 144hz esports titles

devout wolf
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1650 soop?

crimson scroll
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you can get even lower by dropping from a 1660s to a 1650s

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could also drop to 256 ssd

crimson scroll
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yeah what about it

devout wolf
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same price, more cool

crimson scroll
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sure

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also, just saw a post on r/hws that's the same price lol

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but worse

devout wolf
crimson scroll
devout wolf
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It's Cheap but it Works lul

crimson scroll
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the one you picked has a slightly lower boost clock

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you can probably OC it to same performance though

devout wolf
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yup

crimson scroll
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the dude wants to sell it for like 750

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cuz it has fancy rgb fans i guess

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i don't have a side window and my cables look better than that

devout wolf
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yiiiiiiiikes

crimson scroll
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i don't know that model of psu either but it looks like the fan grill is up instead of down

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and single channel ram

merry dew
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takes two bottles of unsee juice

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chugs

devout wolf
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m12ii

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o no

crimson scroll
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yeah i know that

devout wolf
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it has single channel ram

crimson scroll
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i meant i don't know if it's supposed to have the logo up or down

devout wolf
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single channel 2666mhz REEEE

crimson scroll
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anyways

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one day until i can buy my new cpu cooler

devout wolf
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fuma?

crimson scroll
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mhm

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waiting on an amazon gift card

devout wolf
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poggg

crimson scroll
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ms rewards is underrated

noble oak
merry dew
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oh god

noble oak
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oh my god

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redo the pc build and cable manage it is what i would do

crimson merlin
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😬

dusky crag
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what’s a good high end mother board

lusty apex
crimson scroll
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@dusky crag too vague. what for

noble oak
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because i have a mid tower

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and theres no other spot

dusky crag
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i’m looking to build a pc for gaming streaming and editing

crimson scroll
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what's your budget

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and what region

vagrant ore
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I was trying to do cable management when case fan's rgb went out and is no longer turning on. At most I did a small tug and the light when out and a weird smell started. I turned it off, a double checked everything is plugged in and where its supposed to be. What might have happened and how could I fix it? This PC isn't for me and I don't want to order replacement fans.

devout wolf
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cable managing while the pc was running?

vagrant ore
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Not even that honestly.

devout wolf
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huh