#💻-building-a-pc
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right so basically
There were reports of bricked Gigabyte Aorus Z390 motherboards caused by dumping SMBus address 0x68 in an attempt to reverse engineer the RGB.
controlling the rgb kills the motherboard
ohh
anyways, everybody asking about what board they should buy. there is almost no reason to go for b450. if you're REALLY on a budget, maybe the b450m pro4. but if you can spend any more, which you should be with a 3700x, then you can get a very good b550 board for around $120
but if you try to bypass their extremely garbage software and control the chip itself, it can kill the mobo
aura sucks sometimes, had to reinstall windows multiple times for it to stop with the AuraService error
yeah me too
pretty much all rgb software sucks
icue is the least worst
@devout wolf understood
the thing that worked for me was jsut to boot in safe mode after turning off my psu before the pc
the reason gigabyte motherboard die, is pretty silly
icue has a huge learners curve
the smbus address for the rgb controller used to be 0x68
but on z390, it's the VRM control
but i love it tbh over everything even synapse
you see where this is going?
yeah :/
what should i go for , b550 or x 470?
availability is a bit issue for b550 here i guess ill wait more
x470 gaming plus max is sometimes the same price as a tomahawk max
where are you located
better not be hdv
meh
i psu only have a 8 pin connector
i need 7.1 audio this one dont have it
so if i leave the other 4 pin connector empty it wont be a issue?
yeah
i mean it supports 7.1 with the front panel
or just get a dac
steel legend is expensive ut looks so good
that's the only thing good about SL
looks
msi be shady, but this one is decent and has 7.1 in the rear https://in.pcpartpicker.com/product/7gxbt6/msi-b550-a-pro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-a-pro
you can have 7.1 with the pro4 too, 6 channels in the rear and 2 in the front panel
their practices with reviewers
MSI B550-A PRO ATX seems acctually good and i will save some money too
are there any other options i should consider?
what are b450 prices like over there
might be worth considering those in non-us regions
they are the same as b550
but i have made up my mind im gonna go MSI B550-A PRO ATX or asrock steel legend b550
I'm using an asus b450f and I just upgraded to a corsair 16 gb 2x8gb 3600mhz. I have enabled docp and manualy set my clock to 3600mhz but cpu z and task manager continue to report 2133mhz. I have checked and it is on the compatibility list. If anyone knows aa solution I'd appreciate it
Bruh I can talk again
Hey y'all first post in this community, i went on reddit to ask for advice and opinions but the subreddit i tried needed permission to post, so I thought I'd try here. I'm eventually getting around to building a PC for the first time, and I was wondering if what I cobbled together is fine, and I don't quite know what the compatibility errors at the bottom mean, and what I should do to fix them, or what needs to be bought in addition, thanks in advance! https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/P3dYMc
it's...pretty outdated and mismatched
that processor is 3 generations old now and is way overpriced
and intel doesn't really care about fast memory, not as much as ryzen chips. you'd be better off getting 3200cl16 or 3600cl16 unless you're really into memory tuning and overclocking
the compatibility notes are just warnings, most won't be issues. for example, the m.2 shares bandwidth with a sata port. that just means if you buy a m.2 drive and use it, you won't be able to use as many sata drives as if you didn't plug in the m.2 drive
whats your budget @analog radish
Erm, idk, I’m not building it for a while so I’m probably going to buy parts bit by bit overtime until I have all the parts I need to build
But like, £1200 for the pc itself?
thats generally not recommended since prices fluctuate, new parts come out
and you don't want to buy a part, sit on it for three weeks, then find out its defective and you can't RMA it
So I should like, buy everyone at once, still like £1200 then I guess
for the most part, yup
some things won't change, like the power supply, in terms of technology
but even then, prices change
The processor that’s outdated is the intel i7 right?
i can put together a list so you know in general what to look for
correct
also, what are you going to be doing with the system
just gaming? any production?
I’d want something that can at least run Overwatch, or apex at 144Hz, 144fps 1080p
and yeah, you put in a 7700k. of the same tier, there's now been the 8700k, 9700k, and 10700k
esports titles are easy to run
for pure gaming only, i would recommend the 10600k over the ryzen 3600, and we can make it fit in your budget
overall though, the 3600 will be cheaper and better price/perf
and it will handle your esports titles just fine
The reason I’m going for intel, not amd, might seem stupid but, the MSI processor works with steelseries prismsync
And the processor only seemed to be compatible with intel, not amd
Yes lol
the processor is made by intel, the motherboard is made by MSI, sourcing the chipset from intel
honestly, i would not say that's a premium i would pay. especially not for a chip and motherboard that's outdated by three generations
I just thought it’d be cool to have my pc rgb’s matching up with all my steelseries gear but if that msi motherboard is really not worth it I can reconsider haha
7700k prices are wild too because there are no new ones
it's all people trying to scalp old ones
a new 10700k isn't even that much
I would get a newer msi motherboard, but I’ve looked and it seems like that is literally the only one that works with the steelseries engine, I even saw a steelseries mod post a response to someone asking being like “that one is the only one MSI got us to do” lol
but rgb isn’t super important, it’s your say if it’s a bad motherboard or not
bad by today's standards
darn
does the 1200 pounds include the monitor in the price?
erm, doesn’t need to I guess
I already have one monitor
I currently use a laptop as my second monitor with an msi monitor as my main
okay
So if I got a desktop I’d need a second monitor xP
well, the current list i have has a 5700xt and r5 3600
with that, i would recommend hitting 2560x1440p @144hz
those monitors will be around 250 to 400 pounds
Oof yeah I don’t care about anything about 1080p 144hz
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/wWgm6R i left room for a third party cpu cooler should you choose, extra hard drive space, or even an upgrade to the b550 non m-atx pro4
it'll be overkill for esports titles for sure
now, depending on when exactly you plan to buy, this recommendation may change.
wouldent go for MWE tho
yeah, but I may as well get something that can run a little more than an esports title to somewhat futureproof my system, rather than getting a system that can run esports titles and it’s outdated hella fast
we don't know how rtx 3000 series launch will affect gpu prices
mwe gold is b tier on ltt psu list, it's fine
I’m out right now but when I get home I’ll have a looksee at your updated build, thanks for the help!
you could go pure power 11 cm for 10 pounds cheaper i guess
same tier
but that's semi modular
something you and I clash a lot about @sturdy comet is that you always try to min/max performance
it's more about balance for me
Is something being semi modular important?
if we're spending 1k+ on a build, i think we should do fully modular
Or, important for someone like me lol
@analog radish not particularly
semi modular means you'll have the 24 pin and cpu 8 pin connector permanently affixed to the power supply
and the other cables you attach as you need
...
if going for balance, why not take something better for the price?
fully modular everything is separate and you attach as you need
@sturdy comet then link it
since MWE is known for not the best out there
What is MWE?
branding by coolermaster
why link? there are plenty choises that could be better tbh
Ah, coolermaster, really? They seem highly recommended
could go on a seasonic focus gx
they make a lot of different products at a lot of different tiers
they make stock intel and amd coolers for example
the GX isn't on the pcpp list
focus plus gold is about the same as the mwe though
also you have to be careful about the seasonic focus units with high power GPUs, if they're not the new oneseasonic units
Yeah some of the stuff I researched wasn’t on their site, so I just, picked something similar lol
Just looked at your updated build and wow you changed like, everything haha
Yeah I love the look of it, was going to go for the none rgb version cuz of the msi motherboard rgb being synced with prismsync, but now that I’m probably not getting that one I’ll go with the rgb case haha
true true
i would add on one extra exhaust fan
the 3 included fans are all intake i believe
But for what I need your build is fine?
Yeah I love the look of it, was going to go for the none rgb version cuz of the msi motherboard rgb being synced with prismsync, but now that I’m probably not getting that one I’ll go with the rgb case haha
@analog radish only the z270 gaming pro carbon supports prismsync
oh wait
that's the one in the list lmao
yeah, for what you need my build is overkill
but like you said, it'll be a pc you can keep for a while and be happy with, assuming you're just gaming
the msi z87 heatsink was so cool
I want to make a new pc with a rtx 2070 super, amd ryzen 5 3600X and a Asus Rog Strix B450-F. Is it a good combination or not?
Ok but what motherboard then
Thanks for the advice
Thanks
and last thing, which 2070 super variant are you going with?
also use http://pcpartpicker.com/list
I think the gigabyte gaming oc 3x or somothing in that direction
lol @devout wolf
hm?
you pinged me about which motherboard supports prismsync, then realised that’s the one I listed lol
ah lol
Went over to the carter server to ask for more tips only for my PC list to be called trash lol. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2Kn4rV anyways, check it out please.
Went over to the carter server to ask for more tips only for my PC list to be called trash lol. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2Kn4rV anyways, check it out please.
@noble oak Trash?
Might want to check out the white case. I personally like it better..
I saw it. I personally like it, but I'm unsure how it'll look in my room. But I'll make a deicision soon. (my room is black and white, but I have Blue Led's)
@unborn kiln
Router is too far.
and there's no way my family is gonna let me have the router in my room or run a cord through the house to my PC
Went over to the carter server to ask for more tips only for my PC list to be called trash lol. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2Kn4rV anyways, check it out please.
@noble oak carter? you mean suedbycorsair?
there are a few things i'd change in the list
do not pay $100 for a p400a
the p400a digital costs the same
but i'd get a bitfenix nova mesh tg 4argb since it has an extra fan
idk something harassment, server raid something
lol
exactly.
bro they make lists for people but think a lot of older parts are better than current ones.
sometimes they are
Like they said CX650 W is better than CXM650 W. (Both 80+ Bronze)
lmao
Im sometimes confused why they do that, and they recommended me another wifi card since it's 'better' but I went to check reviews and they were so bad.
here you go: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QmXtPn
the motherboard might go out of stock really soon; in that case get a b450-a pro max
NOT the B450M-A Pro
the mATX one is garbage lol
do they? 
but I feel bad because there's a lot of fortnite builds coming through for them.
Yea...
before buying brand new parts be sure to check if there is some sort of outlet. My friend got aorus b450 elite for like 20% cheaper because it was used for 7 days and lacked box
650w can power a 3950x+2080ti
Wait, the motherboard just came by itself or in another package?
open box
oh
no no
that's a rip.
it was packed in the antystatic foil
in a antistatic bag
oof.
io sheild included?
Yes
that's fine tbh
Everything
am4 doesn't have pins
Besides box and manual
intel mobos have the cover in the socket
by the way rafee, idk if it's the lighting for the pictures for the case but it seems to bright lol
case is white, the black one is OOS
there are a few other choices
lemme link all of them
Ah also about PSU. It may look not important but ALWAYS be sure to pick good PSU
DM it so it isn't spammed here
it's fine, i'll remove the embeds
Ah also about PSU. It may look not important but ALWAYS be sure to pick good PSU
@frigid phoenix i chose a tier b+
CX650 W is worse than an CXM650 W right?
the carter guys were telling me to get a CX over CXM 
If you want to go with 3600X and 2070S I would recommend paying little bit more and getting 700W PSU
or normal 3600
it's not that much of a price difference but you will be way safer
why 3600x tho?
just example
No need for 700w
but with 650W you will have almost no reserve
Go for 1500 then u know ur good
Go for 1500 then u know ur good
@pearl river ur gonna make my electric bill go up and up lol
Go for 1500 then u know ur good
@pearl river Far too little headroom I'd go with a 1800w
When 2080ti will go full power 650W will be barelly enough
ok
2080ti right now from Nvidia is a horrible price to performance.
@pearl river ur gonna make my electric bill go up and up lol
@noble oak What?
If anything it will go down because of the efficiency
When 2080ti will go full power 650W will be barelly enough
@frigid phoenix how much power do you think a 2080ti pulls
here's the thing
12 pin
that's been proven false
Ahaa that rymes
the 2080ti pulls the same power as a 980ti
since the architecture got smaller, power draw also decreased
My setup has estimated wattage of 430W and somehow it still can go out with 600W PSU
which psu?
SilentiumPC Vero M1
R5 3600X
ASUS PRIME B450-PLUS
RTX 2080S
estimated wattage is around 430W but GPU while in stress can pull so much that PSU won't have enough power
and wdym by 'go out'?
Which psu shuts down?
If you try to pull out too much power, every
between 450 and 500 iirc
It's stock
there is a physical shunt resistor preventing a 2080s from pulling that much power
it's not even overclocked because it shuts off on stresstest when trying to apply overclocking
first, the BIOS limit is 255w
That is not normal
if your power limit is on 100% then it's 250w
What does the GPU pull at idel?
Then GPU TweakII is not working properly
don't use that
i used to use it and it's absolute garbage
just use afterburner
and HWInfo64 to monitor power draw
I don't overclock using it. I just use it to watch temp and few other things like "game booster" which works just good enough
i guess just use hwinfo64 then
Also then, what else can be a reason of PC just shutting down on giant stress
I feel bad for anyone who doesn't know anywhere else to order parts from except amazon.
not buying from local shops
only apple and microsoft basically.
@noble oak I believe Microsoft is shutting down retail stores
..........
Dang they didn't have any business in Alo Moana anyway.
They were right beside the apple store too
Tbh I didn't even know they had retail stores till recently
I just checked, you have plenty of computer shops on hawaii
im in moanalua side.
google showed me there are at least 5 shops in honolulu
send me a link to one of them pls, desperate bc I don't really wanna get all my parts from shipping
I mean, just google "hawaiian computer shops"
We need a Microcenter here.
it's all computer repair shops
anyways to get there it's about a 2 hour drive anyway. I live on the other side of the island lmfao
hawaii is the worst state to build a PC tbh
alaska?
i need some atx case recommendations
budget?
and do you want straight up best airflow or what
Best airflow is Fractal Design Meshify C
Wrong
The case is kinda outdated now too, needs extra fans like some cheaper budget cases
If you can find the meshify c for the right price, it can be a good choice
But at the price it's been floating around of 90usd, not good
I'm not at home so I can't check the specs on that Vulcan, but the sn550 is too good to pass up at its current sale price
Also a 1080p 144hz monitor with a 2070s is kind of low
And for even more budget drop to the b550m pro4
ooooooo. That sounds good, thanks. I agree i'd rather replace the SSD in the new list with the sn550
I dont wanna use sata cables is basically what im trying to say
the case >.>
and yeah if you're going b550 then get pro4 instead
is x470 gaming plus max OOS already?
I don’t think so.
hmm, rumors point the 3060 at $400, 3070 at $600, 3080 at $800 and 3090 at 1400
its all rumors until they come out
yep, that's why i said rumors
i don't really see this shaking up most of the builds we've been making here though
most budget up to a 2060 super/5700xt
unless the 3060 offers significant gains, it's probably not worth it (as all initial launches) especially since you'll still be able to get new 2xxx cards and likely for 30-50 bucks cheaper
all predicated on the assumption that those rumors are true, of course
thats usd right?
if 3060 doesn't beat the 2070S, a 5700xt might be a competitor
Yeah, usd
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How much do you guys think the rtx 3060 gonna cost?
Rumours say 400 USD
keep in mind they are rumours. still gonna favour amd over this (time will show) since the hasty release of the RTX 2000 series was a bit depressing on how they really didnt bring stuff to a new level.
(not gonna buy them though)
400 usd for the lowest tier on release, up to 1400 according to rumors
Don't expect a high end card for 400 unfortunately
I would say 2070 / 2070S performance for 400$
no.
then the RGB
I noticed that a lot of PC build tutorials expect you to know your individual components, not explaining what your gear does or just being unsafe. This tutorial will teach you step by step how to make a powerful gaming PC and hopefully save you a few bucks in the process :)
...
this video
ius a perfect example
a cheap,rgb,and clean case is the thermaltake v2000 4 stock fans case
its not that hard to be honest the only hard thing about it is cables
anyone in chat willing to help me with something?
what is it?
i finished my pc, however im getting lag like bad no matter what game i throw at it and im not sure if its my wifi ping or if i need to do something else with the more in depth settings
i dont know much about pc's but it might have to do something with the router
What kind of lag are we talkin
thats really bad
its unplayable
how is the monitor?
Hold windows+r and type in dxdiag
under 5 mills of response time
ok so its definetly not the monitor or pc
no its his pc
Then go to display 1 and does it say the gpu you've got at the top
something in there isnt right
the windows button+r didnt do anything
you sure you built it good or messed it up?
what are the specs?
positive however when doing the bios update i didnt really touch it when it came to that
can be the gpu cpu power supply or thermal
i have the dxdiag
What gpu you got?
and cpu
amd ryzen 5 3600 6 core cpu
gpu?
graphics card
the thing my computer doesnt have
wow doesnt even tell me hold on lemme find the box
get nzxt cam
msi radeon 5500 xt
im guessing its pre made?
how much ram does it have?
its easy to see
all i know about rtx is that minecraft looks way too realistic
you ether have a busted part,didnt make it correctly or one of your parts are bad
my guess is the router
listen man i dont know much about computers
and it does affect frames
what games do you play?
borderlands 2
something in your pc is broke or not good to stay with the others
sauce
from framerate
restarting not gona do anything
you dont say
it could be thermal induction
does you pc overheat alot?
did you put paste on the cpu?
no but im in a hot room
open a window
thermal induction in when it absorbs heat
ive got nothing my advice is to just pray that it works out
that's just called hot air going into your case lmao
wrong word i guess then?
i said its a part not air or wifi
thermal radiation
one of your parts are doing something you dont want them to do
however my pc was wasnt running as hard at the start and no i can hear my fans
sooo
coul be that
could
wait is this a pre made pc?
no
someone who builds pcs did builds it with me though
yes
or did you check that the cooler had preapplied paste
NO
?
what are you screaming about
no it didnt
it does
jesus christ
dump the entire pc in thermal paste
mine came with a tube of paste to apply to it
that should work
its over heating
can't help if people interject with random shit
you don't know that it's overheating
Sauce boss and saucy raichu??!
he hasn't checked his temps
Sauce gang
didnt know how
what kind of sauce?
a lot of non help going on here like "one of yourp arts isn't working"
nzxt cam
so lets try to focus on the problem, okay?
we probably wont get much out of this but can you send a picture of the pc?
can you download hwinfo and then run it in the background
gotvha
and lets see what your idle temps are
or nzxt
i dont
you just did
it helps for other stuff
overclocking temp watch specs cooling rgb if you have it
nzxt cam...for overclocking
...
that's like me telling him to download corsair icue
hey, it might be useful!
he might have corsair stuff!
im not telling him to do it lmao
just listing what you can do
this is getting off topic
CAM is spyware. they've toned it down, but it's still garbage
if you think about it everything is spyware
it's really not
im getting personally attacked
@last fossil how far along are you with hwinfo
while we're waiting can someone help me build a pc with a budget of $1000
Saucy raichu is very mean guy 😢
yeah
no saucy just wants to get the problem done
gaming
k
hes not mean the dudes just helpful and wants to focus
He blocked me 😢
its not mean to focus on one thing at a time when everyone is saying a million things at once
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Vh4cJb @lusty apex
i wwonder why
ok
i forgot the psu
oh
hey saucy
sup
i got a temp for you
ok
72c
yeaa i know
im on the 3rd floor
which would explain why
you think that could be why
maybe
what's your ambient temp, and what programs do you have open
i don't think it's the sole reason unless you live in a very very hot place, but it could certainly be a factor
ambient is legit like 94
so around 34c, pretty hot
only steam and windows and discord
what's your cpu % usage in task manager?
okay
actually
my first guess based on all that is that something is wrong with the thermal solution. Maybe there's not enough mounting pressure, or the fans aren't spinning
or the paste is dry/too little paste
can you check for all that?
well i dont need to check the paste i know theres enough i put an extra dab to make sure
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CnWFQq @lusty apex a bit over budget, if you wanted to stick to a strict $1k budget then drop the 1tb ssd down to 500gb
and fans are a go
Its good
an amd
the stock cooler?
Thanks for making the list
yea mine came stripped
hm
need a new one
what do you mean by stripped
where you mount a plate that houses screws so you can install the thing, basically one of the plates came stripped and its unsuable
sounds like the backplate
unusable
that's probably the cause then
probable
if you can't get the screws on the cooler to properly tighten onto the backplate, you won't get good contact between the IHS and the cooler
and so it'll run really hot
i just used the stock one not the other one
there may be other issues causing you to get low fps like not enabling XMP but that definitely sounds like the primary issue, if you're getting 5 fps
can you send a picture of the back of the motherboard, where you mounted the backplate?
can you remove the side panel cover? or you don't have access to that right now
my access to it is blocked
okay
well, until you can replace the cooler and broken backplate, i would not use the computer for any heavy workload
preferably not at all to avoid overheating the cpu
i can bring this all to my computer guy i live near and he can diagnose everything and help me out
hes a friend of mine so he can prolly get me hooked up
nice
but i had this problem on my other pc too
thats why i upgraded
guess i wont be using this thing any time soon
lol
i appreciate all the help
np
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GvdZ6R how's the monitor for this build?
You can probably get a bigger screen for that price
seems fine for esports titles, but why not go 1440p 144hz
The cheapest i found for that was $300
also bigger =/= better, at 1080p, if you go bigger than 24" depending on how far you sit, it can look badly pixelated
Oh
I'm not that far from my desk.
I didnt know that
general rule is about 27" is max for 1080p before it looks awful
and even that's stretching it
If your willing to spend a little extra I can show you a pretty good monitor
How much extra?
1440p 144hz for $300 vs your 1080p 240hz for $270, seems worth it to me unless you're going pro in fps titles
ah you see, I'm trying to max out as much frames as I can get so I'm not to sure about 1440p.
$300
300? that's a little too much my bad
Oh
true.
and then you can get whatever monitor
I'm gonna look into some 5700xt's. I have to go eat dinner, I'll catch you guys later
ciao
it's not worth unless you already have 1440p or 4k, or you're going pro
it's harder to percieve frames the higher you go
Nah 240 is lit
the brain can see up to infinity but diminishing returns and the fact that the frames are too fast for the brain to read properly make it meh
i'd take 1440p144 over 1080p240 any day
i could barely notice a difference between 144hz and 240hz
fighter pilots top out at 500 roughly
it was the same difference between 60 to 75
The difference is defo smaller than 60-144 but it's still noticeable to me
and for most people, it won't be worth
I'll agree with that
more screen real estate with 1440p, the option to scale down if you want
it's a perfect match for 720p if you're a cs fiend who cares about frames
and if you're playing stretched or even 1080p on esports titles, you don't care that much about how it looks anyways so the downscaling will be fine
true
Ngl the only reason I got the 240 I have is because it was a steal
just remember that 240hz won't make you better; it will just increase your skill cap. i've seen people spend ~$500 on 1080p240 monitors because their favourite streamer uses one
I shouldnt be asking this here but is the razer mamba elite good?
the rival 710 is like $10 more
razer cs and 136 grams, yuck
or if you want razer get a viper ultralight
i'd rather get a razer viper
exactly
would be cool if they made a razer viper mini with both sets of side buttons
yeah that'd be nice
people need to stop marketing ambidextrous mice like that
like yeah, the shape is ambi, but the utility is not
i can't use those mice
yo
Ok thanks
you're lefty too?
yeah
me too
everyone finds it weird that i use the mouse in my left hand
I thought i would get booted from the server
it would be very stupid to have a steelseries circlejerk
nah just because this is a ss server doesn't mean we are obligated to shill it at all costs and not mention any other brands
obviously a lot of people here will prefer steelseries
https://www.rocketjumpninja.com/mouse-search btw use this to search for mice
but they have their pros and cons like every other company
raichu what do you use instead of WASD? I use PL;'
that is true
your fingers should already be on esdf with proper typing posture anyways
assuming qwerty and not dvorak
or another standard
i think i'm gonna buy the fuma 2
ah i love that cooler
overkill, but good for future upgrades
scythe is underrated
eh
its the circlejerk cooler right now on r/buildapcsales
or i could save $11 and go with the mugen rev.b....hmm
speaking of underrated coolers
also the macho rt
yupyup
and the alphenfon coolers are pretty good in europe
would love if they came over to the US and got more reviews
Alpenföhn?
yeah
oh wow their LP cooler is neat
i believe be quiet or cryorig has a similar one
aaaaaaaaa i love massive air coolers
Hey can you guys tell me the difference between air and water coolers other than the obvious?
depends on what you consider obvious
air is generally cheaper for the performance and less worry about where you position it
water has a larger ceiling of cooling capability
you just gotta be careful about not killing your pump
Ok thanks
air is also less maintenance long term
Ive been trying to get into building computers but i dont know where to start
no worry of permeation, leakage, less parts to die, easier to replace parts
i would watch reputable youtubers build pcs then
don't worry so much about the parts they chose, they often do crazy systems
focus more on the order they do things and the reason behind why they do things
and also for the most part, higher end air coolers outperform AIOs with 1 fan radiators (120/140mm aio)
right, that's cheaper for the price
The only guys i know are linus tech tips and austin john
ltt is fine
if you wanna get into fancy watercooling and pretty builds, jayz2cents
gamersnexus for in depth reviews and solid testing methodology
It sounds like air is alot superior to water
bitwit kyle for...more fancy builds
well, each has their own use case
for a lot of people I would say yes, air > water because you won't need the extra headroom water provides
it can let you be a lot more creative with your builds and overclock higher wattage chips
custom loops can get into the thousands of dollars but look great
That seems like overkill to me but i can see why people would do it
when done right*
in some cases AIOs just don't perform well enough
gotta get that 420mm rad
Is there such thing as a gel cooling system for pc's

too slow
maybe for a low tdp system
the point of water/glycerin is to move heat quickly
Oh

Yes
NZXT Kraken M22 is this a good AIO ?
nope
then wat is?
for what cpu?
AMD ryzen 5 3600 or ryzen 7
which ryzen 7? if it's the 3700x then just stick with the stock cooler
yes but i guess the 5 3600
stick with the stock cooler
and if overclock?
i have overclock my gpu and it was verry helpfull but i have never overclocked my cpy
overclocking isn't the same across every product
i know
so, just stick with the stock cooler and don't overclock
tune your ram if you want performance
ok thanks
I have a few new questions about my build
ask away
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Hamoxal/saved/#view=4BZwcf here is my parts list, the questions I have are, Do I need to buy thermal paste or does my cpu come with it, and what case fans should I get/ how many according to my case?
thermal paste is included
but
there is no reason to get such a beefy cooler for a 3700x
the stock cooler is enough
I originally had that, but people told me to change it

more things i'd change
do you need pcie gen4?
if so, get b550
x570 isn't really worth it anymore now that b550 is a thing
I have no idea, what is the name of the b550 for me to change?
Ok
the P1 is a QLC drive. It will suffer with windows on it
i'd change it to an A2000 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9vWBD3/kingston-a2000-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-sa2000m81000g
gpu next, the Gaming OC is a better 2080S than the EVGA KO, and it's the same price https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3VcRsY/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-2080-super-8-gb-gaming-oc-video-card-gv-n208sgaming-oc-8gc-rev-20
that case is pretty expensive for what it is, so i'd recommend getting one of these instead
Corsair 220T Airflow - https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wj4BD3/corsair-icue-220t-rgb-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-9011174-ww
Bitfenix Nova Mesh TG - https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KgbCmG/bitfenix-nova-mesh-tg-4argb-atx-mid-tower-case-bfc-nvm-300-wwgkw-4a
TD500 Mesh - https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gfn8TW/cooler-master-masterbox-td500-mesh-white-w-controller-atx-mid-tower-case-mcb-d500d-wgnn-s01
be quiet! 500DX - https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3W6qqs/be-quiet-pure-base-500dx-atx-mid-tower-case-bgw38
P400A Digital - https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QdXYcf/phanteks-eclipse-p400a-digital-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec400atg_dbk
The Corsair Airflow and the be quiet! 500DX I originally had
psu could be better, as bad as this one looks it a solid unit
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GDncJb
for the case just change it to whichever one you want from the above
if not, get 3 Arctic P12 fans
me a beginner can anyone tell me how to build a pc
plenty of useful guides on youtube
here's a written one by NZXT: http://buildapc.nzxt.com/#toolsyoullneed
i'm trying to cobble together a decent budget pc build for me an my friend, can anyone tell me what should/could be changed?
a lot of things
skylake is about 4 years old at this point, there is no reason to buy it new
tbf i think i did start this build like 4 years ago LOL

@devout wolf You mean Arctic F12 Fans? I can’t find p12
Ooooh, okay
@latent crypt this is what you should be getting for $800 https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fWCjwh
sick okay
huh
the 3600 jumped 20 bucks?
why is pcpp picking only newegg
there's best buy and walmart for cheaper and pcpp says they're in stock
pcpp as usual lmao
i miss $150 3600s
we're almost getting to the point where a 10400 might be better value
well, as an european I get my pc parts from mindfactory.de
uhhh
were we making a parts list for you?
i can't find any messages from you in this channel
alrighty
we're almost getting to the point where a 10400 might be better value
10400f
prices on that one are jacked up too lol, 215 for that on amazon
Oh lawd why
msrp is $150
lmfao
ridiculous
oh dang that's a good price
yeah
even if it's locked, it's a good enough processor at the right price
for pure gaming
yeah, it beats the 2600 which is the same price
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and this time it doesn't have a thread disadvantage
the 2600 realistically shouldn't be more than $130
yup
it's in a weird spot since the 3300x exists for gaming
and if you wanted productivity you'd spend the extra 20 for the 3600
used it's like...100,110ish
memtest is so slowww on 2400mhz 
hopefully doesn't crash doe, 2400 14-15-15-36 on 1.2v brrr
will try that
last time i tried 2666 it crashed lol
spectek dies
which are the worst bins of micron
yeah no it refuses to even boot with 2533mhz
Rip
I’m looking to build a pc can anyone tell me what rtx 2080 ti i should go for
founders is good enough but why are they so expensive rn? 
i'd recommend waiting for the RTX 30 series
i mean
if just wait for the new stuffs you'd literally never finish a pc
if you wanna pay $1800 for a 2080ti sure i guess lol 
just get the 2070super
rtx 30 series is only a few months away anyway
cant wait to buy sold out gpu's lol

why rely on what could be a flop when you could get a gpu that's still high end
do gpus restock or they’re limited
nvidia 2000 series is stopped in production
only a few more days before 3000 series launch
so probably wont restock if talking about these cards
Wait for the 3000 series
what would yall suggest is a good starting budget to build a pc to play games on. It doesnt have to run at max specs but I would like to play fps games and battle royals games if at all possible
for 1080p60?
I would say $800
for fps games you can go lower
Oh
assuming he means esports titles
for under 700 you can get a build that will do 1080p 144hz esports titles
1650 soop?
you can get even lower by dropping from a 1660s to a 1650s
could also drop to 256 ssd
yeah what about it
same price, more cool

It's Cheap but it Works
the one you picked has a slightly lower boost clock
you can probably OC it to same performance though
yup
the dude wants to sell it for like 750
cuz it has fancy rgb fans i guess
oh dear
i don't have a side window and my cables look better than that
yiiiiiiiikes
i don't know that model of psu either but it looks like the fan grill is up instead of down
and single channel ram
yeah i know that
it has single channel ram
i meant i don't know if it's supposed to have the logo up or down
single channel 2666mhz 
fuma?
poggg
ms rewards is underrated
My cable management is bad
oh god
😬
what’s a good high end mother board
I feel like this thing is gonna burst into flames
@dusky crag too vague. what for
i’m looking to build a pc for gaming streaming and editing
I was trying to do cable management when case fan's rgb went out and is no longer turning on. At most I did a small tug and the light when out and a weird smell started. I turned it off, a double checked everything is plugged in and where its supposed to be. What might have happened and how could I fix it? This PC isn't for me and I don't want to order replacement fans.
cable managing while the pc was running?
Not even that honestly.
huh





