Yeah
#💻-building-a-pc
hearty ravine
noble oak
Lol
noble oak
Your gonna get killed for spam
frigid phoenix
Mate you have no RGB
mellow ferry
forget the gpu just use RGB
noble oak
Forgot the pc just use RGB
elfin zealot
if youre getting rid of your pcs and changing them for rgb ill take the one with the best specs, i play on a crappy laptop with no cooling
mellow ferry
is it RGB tho
noble oak
anyone know good monitor in costco lol
elfin zealot
like 144hz 1080p is decent
noble oak
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vN4dykz
Updates to my PC list: New case for cheaper, but the price isnt there. I found the case though on the USA Phanteks shop. https://www.phanteksusa.com/products/phanteks-eclipse-p400a-digital-atx-mid-tower-mesh-front-panel-tempered-glass-digital-rgb-white?variant=14521546014775 (If this is fake website please let me know)
New Graphics card that performs better than my past one
rich sedge
Pogchamp
naive dagger
But I said I want
rich sedge
But I said I want
@naive dagger to bad
noble oak
yes! Tho most are out of stock, hopefully I can get it when it’s time to build
balmy grail
@noble oak good case, thats what i started out with. you're lucky phanteks knows what they are doing. back in the day when white cases first started becoming main stream, there would be a difference in airflow, especially when they started using mesh because of the paint
crimson scroll
sucks that phanteks is using the microtransaction approach for a lot of their accessories
noble oak
Thanks Erebus! Yea, from what I saw there’s another P400 or a P400a that is a white case, but the front of it has no airflow
crimson scroll
the p400 has bad airflow
noble oak
Agreed. I was watching reviews and they didn’t seem good at all. Only thing good thing is that it’s cheaper
balmy grail
yeah, the p400 bombed, so they redesigned with the p400a. next best case they have for the price is an enthoo, but those arent the most visually appealing cases on the market
naive dagger
@naive dagger to bad
@rich sedge ur mean
crimson scroll
that one has a dust filter and mesh
seems unnecessary
seems pretty akin to the p400a non drgb though, has two fans instead of 3
devout wolf
true
crimson scroll
i wish gn was like 3x as big as they are so i can use their charts to compare everything
rich sedge
@rich sedge ur mean
@naive dagger no u
naive dagger
@naive dagger no u
@rich sedge darn it
balmy grail
hit em with the good ol 
pulsar fossil
@narrow lake what's your budget and what will you be using it for? And is there anything specific that's important to you? Ie. good keyboard or long batterylife?
narrow lake
My budget right now is around $700 I'm most likely going to be using it for light gaming such as csgo and occasionally more graphically intensive games, I'd prefer a long battery life and good customer support if possible
leaden moat
does anyone have a good pc build under $800 like that can run Fortnite good and warzone and gta and Minecraft all those games
and if u get back to me please ping me so I know, thanks
crimson scroll
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KwDgvW wait for the 3600 to drop back down to 159, the case should be around 60 and the psu around 90-100
@leaden moat
alternatively pick up a cheaper motherboard like the b450m pro4
crimson scroll
powerspec from microcenter is usually okay
everything else i would avoid
bad build quality usually
leaden moat
oh ok so u would suggest a build than a prebuilt one
leaden moat
yea
crimson scroll
but if you have time and some modicum of technological capability, build your own
crimson scroll
the other prebuilts i would suggest would be from puget systems i guess, but those are pretty high end workstation focused
leaden moat
oh ok what would u prefer AMD or INTEL in your opinion
And which of them like 5 7 wtv
crimson scroll
depends on your workload
a lot of productivity stuff can leverage the extra cores that you'll get from ryzen at the same price
but certain applications like adobe premiere are optimized for intel
on the gaming side, a 10600k is the best cpu you can get for gaming without spending an obscene amount of money, as it'll OC to stock 10900k levels of performance
for best bang/buck, the r5 3600 gets within 10-20fps of the 10600k in most titles
and is quite a bit cheaper
leaden moat
oh ok
crimson scroll
if you're primarily gaming focused, 10600k>3700x. the opposite is true for productivity focus for most applications, and the r5 3600 is probably the best price/performance all around cpu
at your price bracket, i would definitely recommend the r5 3600, because the 10600k is too expensive and the 10400 is locked
crimson scroll
I highly recommend looking through https://pcpartpicker.com/ and https://www.logicalincrements.com/ for build guides. They're not perfect and every build can be optimized, especially since price fluctuations are very common, but it can give you a good idea of stuff to shoot for
leaden moat
okay thank uu so much
crimson scroll
no problem
autumn cairn
6 case fans rgb aren’t turning on neither showing up in iCue
they do spin though
what do i do
crimson scroll
how did you connect the fans
autumn cairn
corsair rgb hub
i still haven’t checked to see if it’s all connected though
had someone else build my pc
devout wolf
yeah or lighting node pro
Damn it annoys me how the fans aren’t all aligned the same
reef stratus
helo
i might get oc
i dont know much about the pc since my paretns were looking at it and thinking of splitting the cost
but i think ill get the logitech g502 hero for a mouse an alt customs keyboard and idk what headset yet maybe a razer one
since its cheaper and i trying to keep the cost down
and logitech im fairly sure im supposed to get a free mouse pad if i get like over a gaming mouse over 60
but maybe that ended
thoughts?
crimson scroll
I wouldn't get a headset
I'd get some headphones and a standalone mic
The rest of what you said I have no idea. Custom keyboards are generally more expensive
I can help you with the various choices if you want, I have a custom 65%
Also with your parents splitting the cost, what's the total budget for the pc
reef stratus
I would pay 400 bucks with the cost split
And the alt custom keyboard I was thinking of getting is cheaper than a lot of the other options I was interested in
There was a razer keyboardthat way cheaper that I liked
But I don’t think I’ll get that pc super soon so I’ve got time
crimson scroll
the alt from massdrop?
still $180 at least, and that reduces your customization options
also if you're not getting your pc soon, then post again when you're ready to get it since prices fluctuate a lot
noble oak
How is AMD drivers? I’m second guessing getting my Rx 5700xt
balmy grail
ive not had issues with them beyond the initial release issue
noble oak
Alright thanks
devout wolf
if you do have issues remember the version 20.4.2
crimson scroll
yeah they're mostly fixed now, on par with any other gpu
noble oak
Thanks! Is there anything I should be worried about getting it tho?
crimson scroll
Some models had bad thermal solutions (poor mounting pressure, enclosed plastic, etc) that are fixed now, so just be careful getting used and make note of the model. If you're on a tiny power supply they can also be power hungry, but these are all issues that are pretty much nonexistent
crimson scroll
The mech oc is still pretty bad for example
Buy washers for 10c and fix your card lmao
noble oak
Thanks
oblique nova
So have just finished the part list for my first pc build but I'm not sure if it is good...
naive dagger
pretty good overall but id definitely add an ssd
or swap your hdd for one
but for sure one for the os
oblique nova
What is the difference between a hdd and the ssd
naive dagger
ssd is smaller and it loads software much faster
oblique nova
is the Addlink S70 any good?
noble oak
rate cool build
ping me too
also
does this case come with this fan right here?
Carbide Series SPEC-DELTA RGB Tempered Glass Mid-Tower ATX Gaming Case — Black
static pecan
It should list how many case fans it comes with on the product page
noble oak
k
crimson scroll
he hasn't learned anything >.<
hallow falcon
I’ve been looking at the AMD and Intel Enthusiast Gaming/Streaming build on PCpartpicker, but I want more storage, could I add like a 2TB Western Digital Internal Hard-drive?
crimson scroll
sure
hallow falcon
Would you change anything?
Because I had made my own parts list but I don’t know how well it would run compared to a real parts list
crimson scroll
post yours
and your budget
the predetermined list is pretty....meh? it uses the 3600x instead of the 3600
and it uses a case that doesn't have great airflow
hallow falcon
My parts list is much cheaper, but here
hallow falcon
Now?
hallow falcon
Kinda, I like a blue and white color scheme, but it isn’t too important. If there is a better case then I would go with that
crimson scroll
that one's fine
it's a pretty good list. I would switch the b450 tomahawk max to something like the b550m aorus pro or b440m pro4
and a larger res monitor
with a 5700xt, you should be aiming for 1440p 144hz
and some extra case fans for the 275r
hallow falcon
Would the enthusiast build be better? Because around $1600 is my limit
crimson scroll
hmm
if you waited around on r/buildapcsales you could probably make a 3700x build for under 1600
static pecan
My 3700X/5700XT build that I'm aiming to get in November is about $1500
crimson scroll
if you wanted to swap to a 3700x, i would do a third party cpu cooler as well. i do recommend it for the 3600 too, something like an arctic freezer 34 duo or scythe fuma 2
static pecan
As of right now on PCPartPicker
crimson scroll
are you including monitor price in that
static pecan
Nah. With the monitor it's like $1880 because I'm going to get that 1440p 155hz Dell that's regularly $400 but goes on sale a lot for $300 or lower around the holidays
crimson scroll
yeah, i'm including the monitor in there
also, i assume you mean the s2719dgf
there's an ips version of that out now, retail for 500+ but will probably drop to 350
it's the same panel as the lg27gl850
anyways, the 3600 build comes out to about $1511 without a third party cooler, $1550-1600 with, and the 3700x build will be $1600 without the third party cooler, $1700 with
how soon are you buying @hallow falcon
static pecan
OwO I might look into that one then
crimson scroll
yeah, it's the s2721dgf
hallow falcon
Once I have enough money, I’ve been making $150-200 a week, so semi-soon
noble oak
hot
crimson scroll
let me know when you're ready to buy and i'll recheck the list
prices change a lot
and again, https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales
noble oak
hot
devout wolf
also evga b-stock on wednesdays but that has been pretty weird recently
crimson scroll
dude
70 dollar 980tis
they all get botted though
i did manage to get a 1060 6gb once, during the mining rush, for $200
good times
hallow falcon
Will do
devout wolf
i think the 980ti was a price error cause there was a $20 1660 there too lmao
my friend bought them and they cancelled his order
deal
noble oak
oh yeah the steel series Rival 650 wireless mouse . can you change the dpi thorugh da software?
devout wolf
they have a common problem where the 8-pin shorts itself randomly
crimson scroll
Yes
noble oak
wdym yes
devout wolf
dpi can be changed
crimson scroll
The answer to your question is yes
noble oak
yes to my question?
crimson scroll
Uh... Yes
devout wolf
car man lmfao 
devout wolf
rip my friends's evga 980ti.... seen like 2 other with the same problem
actually 
ing cause i have a 980ti
but it's a striks
noble oak
Is my Ryzen 5 3600, and a Rx 5700xt THICC III Ultra a bottleneck?
devout wolf
not really
green gale
Bottle neck dosent even really exist unless you have a Intel Xeon with a 2080ti
@devout wolf I just upgraded from a 980ti to a 2080 and apparently Im smart for that
atomic dust
bottle neck intel i5-8400 x RTX 2070 Super?
mental yoke
This is what i have in my pc currently 
crimson scroll
it will bottleneck a bit yeah @atomic dust
mental yoke
I9-10900k
stuck bluff
I9 seems a bit over kill
pulsar fossil
I like using an i9 :D
atomic dust
the game recomends i7
mental yoke
I know i was joking
atomic dust
il stick with my i5 for now
stuck bluff
I use an i7 8700k and a 1070ti
atomic dust
but i need tp improve my gpu
mental yoke
me over here with AMD
stuck bluff
I feel bottlenecked with the GPU 
crimson scroll
way overkill, you can oc a 10600k to 10900k stock performance
also, next time, i would get an unlocked processor
you'll get so much more performance
more true for intel than amd right now
atomic dust
it was prebuilt
didnt have time
my old pc had a 1050 with a outdated pentium
god that was awfull
crimson scroll
pentiums in the current decade 🤣
pulsar fossil
Oof
crimson scroll
i shouldn't say that
the g4560 was a very good budget chip at launch
then it got blown out by amd apus
elfin zealot
atomic dust
you forgot some parts
thermal paste
cpu cooler
2 more 120mm fans
then its good
crimson scroll
comes with cooler and preapplied paste my dude
elfin zealot
and the case needs 1 fan
crimson scroll
also is mini itx
crimson scroll
the sg13 specifically has one slot
i'm not super aware of prices in the UK so that list seems fine to me, i would pick a different motherboard but your choices there are really limited so
maybe go nvme to save some cable management
elfin zealot
the mobo was suggested to me as a good am4 b450 board on the cheaper side
crimson scroll
maybe the b450 i aorus pro
the mx500 in m.2 form is about the same price as the 2.5"
or spend 3 pounds more for the p2
elfin zealot
the board has an m.2, im choosing to use sata
devout wolf
@devout wolf I just upgraded from a 980ti to a 2080 and apparently Im smart for that
@green gale i mean only the evga sc 980ti’s had that problem
devout wolf
but they are starting to show their age, two of my fans are almost completely dead.
gilded kestrel
What is this place
naive dagger
The place to build pc’s
crimson scroll
What an odd question, I recommend looking at the channel title and description
naive dagger
If only saucy raichu had me unblocked, then they could see that I had already replied
devout wolf
the based r9 390x2
static pecan
Bruh
devout wolf
if it wasn't obvious from the name, it's two r9 390s in one card
slender pumice
just about enough don't you think?
pulsar fossil
Can I have a 2080Ti x2 version pls?
pulsar fossil
red shale
ik is 120gigs good for ssd
pulsar fossil
That's a bit small
red shale
what u recommend
pulsar fossil
I would say 240GB as a minimum
red shale
k
pulsar fossil
If you wanna play MW or WZ then 480GB 😂
red shale
wouldent that be on the hard drive
pulsar fossil
Oh yea, sure if you're doing multiple drives
But even then I'd personally go for no mechanical drives at all
red shale
k
pulsar fossil
You can get a 480GB SSD from Kingston fro 55 bucks
red shale
ok
crimson scroll
if you're talking about the a400, i would recommend against it
pulsar fossil
How come?
crimson scroll
s11 controller
it's notorious for failing
and for 55 bucks you can get a wd blue
pulsar fossil
Fair
crimson scroll
or even a p1/p2 nvme
red shale
also whats a good overall price point for cheap builds
red shale
ye
crimson scroll
Cheap is relative
crimson scroll
basically yeah
you can throw one stick in too, but two sticks of ram in dual channel will give you more performance
devout wolf
it supports dual channel ram
crimson scroll
there are some boards that work better with only one, or four, or six
red shale
k
red shale
Yo i the motherboard has two ram slots it means i can use both right?
crimson scroll
yes
are you looking at a mitx board?
for consumer boards, matx and atx generally have four slots, you should read the manual to determine which slots to put your ram into
you'll get better performance
red shale
it only has two should i look for a better one
crimson scroll
what motherboard
hallow falcon
crimson scroll
i would avoid the evga clcs
they're technically the best performers, but they run way louder than anything else
also, are you doing large video editing with this pc?
or something that requires a lot of ram
crimson scroll
get 16gb of ram and an arctic liquid freezer II/EK AIO if you want to stick with liquid cooling
or a scythe fuma 2/thermalright macho rev.B/noctua nh-d15/dark rock pro 4 if you want to go air cooling (lots of options, those are just some really good price/perf or top perf coolers)
hallow falcon
Oh, okay. I wasn’t sure if you needed a lot
crimson scroll
nah
you need one cpu cooler
if you're doing dual xeon or something that's a different matter
for fans, you generally want more than one for sure
hallow falcon
Okay, I changed the ram to a Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory and the Noctua NH-D15 CHROMAX.BLACK 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler
crimson scroll
you went down in speed
from 3600cl16 to 3200cl16
it won't matter a ton but since it's an enthusiast level build, might as well
crimson scroll
yeah
hallow falcon
Cool, thanks
pulsar fossil
So nvidia is doing a GeForce event on sep 1st and claiming it will be "the biggest breakthroughs in PC gaming since 1999.". Well that's a pretty bold claim
dusky crag
what’s the event
stuck bluff
What happened in 99? 
pulsar fossil
The first GeForce GPU
mellow ferry
Lmfao modest of them
devout wolf
that's the opposite of modest
pulsar fossil
Well yeah, he was being sarcastic :P
red shale
@crimson scroll this is the mother board
GIGABYTE GA-A320M-S2H Micro ATX Gaming Motherboard
devout wolf
a320 oof
static pecan
Oh Dear™️
red shale
what is so bad
devout wolf
well the build quality is an absolute joke
devout wolf
B450 Pro4
red shale
k
static pecan
Yee
red shale
so this?
red shale
which ones cheaper the m or this one
devout wolf
m obv
static pecan
If you're getting a full size ATX case don't get a micro-ATX mobo lol it'll just make the case look super empty and not aesthetically pleasing at all
red shale
ok but that doesnt answer my question
static pecan
That board doesn't have on board WiFi so unless you get a third party WiFi card (either USB 3 or PCIe) you'll only be able to connect through an ethernet cable
static pecan
Unless that Gigabyte board has some extra features or better reviews than the ASRock board I would go with the ASRock because you can find good PCIe WiFi cards for $15-$20
Unless of curse you'd rather have the convivence of having the WiFi card already built into the board, in which case just go with the Gigabyte
red shale
ok
devout wolf
it's not worth spending $50 on a inferior board just for wifi
just get a $15 pcie wifi adapter
red shale
k
red shale
is 1050 ti a good gpu
or is MSI Gaming GeForce GTX 1650 128-Bit HDMI/DP 4GB GDRR5 HDCP Support DirectX 12 Dual Fan VR Ready OC Graphics Card
better
or radeon rx 570
naive dagger
I have an rx 570 😎
red shale
ok
naive dagger
It’s pretty great
red shale
is the ryzen 3 2200G good or whats a good upgrade
sturdy comet
is the ryzen 3 2200G good or whats a good upgrade
@red shale depends on what you do with it, but to take it in full general with gaming, no its not good enough to play on, what would you budget be to upgrade, and what do you have currently, and what are you going to do with it?
full jackal
@oblique nova yes . If you have good internet lol
sturdy comet
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/c9XyGc
@oblique nova i would highly recommend an other GPU tho
oblique nova
k thx
full jackal
Yeah I was boutta say
full jackal
Upgrade the GPU by a notch
oblique nova
alright
red shale
@sturdy comet about 180
sturdy comet
@sturdy comet about 180
@red shale and the other questions...?
sturdy comet
alright
@oblique nova and you dont need a windows licence to spend 140$ on, and to be complete fair, CM MWE PSU's arent that great..
gaming and this my first
@red shale sooo, what is in your current list since u have no pc yet?
oblique nova
k
sturdy comet
which games are you going to play tho?
red shale
r6 valorant
sturdy comet
at which resolution, hz, settings, expected fps etc?
sturdy comet
well that isnt gonna be possible for 400$ tho
red shale
and this chat recomended a better mother board
ik
thats why i was going to go to 58
580
for budget
also more storage
sturdy comet
yes, by far better
and a great choise aswell!
also, i would recommend lower timing ram tho
cl18 sucky sucky
red shale
so what cpu or gpu that i should upgrade
sturdy comet
you cant really upgrade if you dont even have a pc in general
red shale
well get
so yeah what gpu or cpu should i get if i want to run games at at like 110 fps
red shale
yeah but i dont mind running a bit lower than that
sturdy comet
thats actual the worst idea, and even worse to watch for your eyes
since you will never have a stable framerate
so minimum is 144 fps if getting a 144hz
red shale
ok then
full jackal
The max FPS on a 144 Hz monitor is 144
sturdy comet
if getting a 144hz monitor the minimum fps you want to reach is 144...
you dont want to be lower as that
full jackal
I’m sure your computer can get more than 144 FPS but a 144 Hz monitor can only display up to a maximum of 144 FPS
if you ignore overclocking
sturdy comet
yes, so you cap it at 144fps for example....
but you do not want to go lower as 144fps
sturdy comet
you really dont get it huh?
red shale
im pretty sure jcadoo is correct
mellow ferry
^
full jackal
I am correct
sturdy comet
he is correct, not about the maximum part
sturdy comet
mweh other way around
if you play games, at 144hz, you never want to drop under 144fps
mellow ferry
yes
mellow ferry
but going over is useless
sturdy comet
^^
full jackal
bro lmao 144 Hz means the refresh rate is 144 times per second. a 144 Hz cannot physically display more than 144 FPS. It doesn’t matter if your FPS goes below, that probably just means your GPU isn’t fast enough
sturdy comet
yeah exactly, so you cap it most of the time
red shale
exacly
sturdy comet
but yeah you are correct, its useless if going over yeah
mellow ferry
bruh i think everyone just got confused with wording
red shale
going under wouldet be bad
full jackal
And even if your computer can go to like 1000 FPS your monitor will be a maximum 144 FPS
@mellow ferry yeah lol
sturdy comet
but you dont want to be on the ''edge'' of getting 144fps
full jackal
yeah I guess
sturdy comet
bruh i think everyone just got confused with wording
@mellow ferry yep
yeah I guess
@full jackal thats what i ment by ''minimum getting 144fps'' such as you dont drop under.. 🙂
full jackal
It’s not “bad” to be under 144 though it just means your computer isn’t fast enough to run the game / media at those settings
sturdy comet
yeah exactly, but if you have that 24/7
mellow ferry
but it is a worse playing experience
sturdy comet
but it is a worse playing experience
^^
sturdy comet
rather have a bit more power and being always over 144 fps, than getting under 24/7
full jackal
yeah
sturdy comet
that was the point i was trying to make 😉
full jackal
I have a 75 Hz monitor so I’m basically always 75 FPS
red shale
cant u cap the hrtz
full jackal
To me I can’t really see the difference between 60 FPS and 75 FPS but the difference between 75 FPS and 144 FPS is really visible
red shale
or only fps
full jackal
The monitor will always be whatever Hz it’s manufactured at
sturdy comet
cant u cap the hrtz
@red shale you could set the hz lower, but whats the point of a 144hz screen where you spend your money on
full jackal
some monitors let you set it lower yeah but what’s the point
full jackal
Games usually just let you cap The frame rate at whatever refresh rate your monitor is for most stable experience
red shale
well so when i upgrade i wont have to get a new moniter
full jackal
What’s your current monitor like
sturdy comet
^^
red shale
i dont have it but its a bulild that says it will run a r6 at 110 fps so im guessing i have to get a 144hrz moniter right?
sturdy comet
Doesn't work like that, but.....
full jackal
Idk mate
sturdy comet
I personally should spend more on the pc to get 144hz
red shale
idk dude im new to this thing
sturdy comet
I personally should spend more on the pc to get 144hz
That you could get the benefit from it
red shale
well can any of you make me a build of under 600 dollars that can run 144 fps
sturdy comet
I would say, work longer a Lil bit longer
Its in the end worth it
And since you have no setup... You are going to need a headset/headphones, mic, mouse, keyboard...
Which is also kinda expensive...
red shale
well i do have those
sturdy comet
Since you at least want a decent headset/mouse
well i do have those
@red shale which mouse you have
red shale
steel series sensei 10
sturdy comet
Ahh yeah fine enough
Good sensor, changable dpi is what u need, and you have that 🙃
devout wolf
however much money you want to spend on it?
sturdy comet
however much money you want to spend on it?
@devout wolf his current budget is 600$ but he is trying to get a 144fps stable system on r6s/valorant high settings... So yeah, you gonna need more as that, so je wanted a indication
red shale
ok
devout wolf
for the price of a 3700x
noble oak
If you ever want to upgrade you already got a good power sup
devout wolf
dont get that cpu
motherboard is meh
ram is meh
change ssd to one with dram
too expensive of a 1650S
change case
change psu
red shale
ok what cpu
devout wolf
3600
sturdy comet
3300x at least, would rather go to a 3600
Since a 1600af is 250$ how much is a 3600?
Sjeez
noble oak
And it isn't good for the price
sturdy comet
^^
And be in mind, you are trying to go 144fps in games
Dont think a 1650 can deliver that
noble oak
You can't get 144 fps on a pc that is 800 bux
I think*
Unless you overclock everything
devout wolf
sturdy comet
OC is worthless tho
devout wolf
for sure
you can push the 1650 super as far as the silicon can go
no power limitation
sturdy comet
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GyqRDx
@devout wolf would go for a Aorus Elite mobo? Its cheaper? 👀
And it looks better 😂
sturdy comet
Isnt worth it....
devout wolf
yup
sturdy comet
Spending more for Just vrms is bs
sturdy comet
Like i mean, nobody Will spend An extra 50-70$ on a b550 for example
devout wolf
there are only 3 motherboards cheaper than the pro4
sturdy comet
aorus elite isn't cheaper
@devout wolf in my country it is 😅
red shale
so getting a ryzen 5 3600 would be better
sturdy comet
Yes
red shale
ok it says it would need a bios update isnt that for everything
oblique nova
What version of windows should I get
sturdy comet
Nah you dont need the bios update, most mobos are already flashed
devout wolf
like, 1909, 2004 etc?
sturdy comet
Unless its been in the locker for 2 years getting dust
red shale
ok
sturdy comet
You could always ask on the seller of they got Them flashed already
red shale
oh
sturdy comet
🙃
devout wolf
well it's very rare for a new motherboard to not have an updated bios for 3rd gen
sturdy comet
^^
red shale
ok
devout wolf
3rd gen has been out for a year now and any b450 motherboards produced after that will work fine
red shale
ok
crimson scroll
Yall are wrong about the 144hz argument
safe cradle
@frigid phoenix
crimson scroll
Technically even if you can only display x frames, it can be useful to have a higher fps
frigid phoenix
This will be my first mechanical keyboard so I am still choosing. I am probably ordering it tommorow
crimson scroll
The frame rendered on screen will be more recent than if you have a lower fps
frigid phoenix
yeah but let's not talk on ideas
this is more of a topic for this chanell because it is kinda essential part of pc 
safe cradle
do you not wanna save up for an apex 7?
frigid phoenix
I am not sure about if I get any chance to
I don't really have any way to get money to save
I would go with apex 7 if I only had money
safe cradle
what's your budget again
frigid phoenix
well it's still too much because it's in euro
frigid phoenix
I checked few stores but apex 7 is not really affordable right now
I will try to get it as I already have headset and mice
but I think I will just go with GMMK
I know it's not perfect but reviews are pretty good
But actually wait, I might be able to get apex 7
so switches in it are better than gatheron?
devout wolf
cherry mx browns have so much controversy lmao
safe cradle
i haven't extensively tried all of the standard cherry switches, but the reds feel kinda trash compared to other reds by other manufacturers and apparently the blues and browns feel like nothing
crimson scroll
Vintage cherry>retooled cherry >new cherry
safe cradle
cherry mx browns have so much controversy lmao
@devout wolf dude the mechanical keyboard subreddit memes on it so much
frigid phoenix
Ohhh good to know
frigid phoenix
Did you try kailh purple?
frigid phoenix
Oh okay
crimson scroll
If you're looking at those switches you might as well buy a switch tester
And make a custom board
frigid phoenix
I am planning on GMMK
but the problem is that I live in Poland
so I can't get tester before keyboard
safe cradle
do you have a deal on the apex 7?
well i can tell you what the steelseries reds feel like
frigid phoenix
I might get a discount for whole ss shop and then I think apex 7 would be just few cents less than my budget
but not sure yet
safe cradle
you should try
basically
compared to omnipoint, yeah the steelseries reds are a little more scratchy
like
a tiny bit
a tiny, tiny bit
and the sound is more high pitched
what you expect from a red switch basically, but it's also pretty quiet
and still really smooth
so, not bad
civic apex
Hi guys i recently got a computer free from my freind. It is an hp prodesk 400 with an i5 6500. What gpi should I put in it?
indigo musk
Hi guys i recently got a computer free from my freind. It is an hp prodesk 400 with an i5 6500. What gpi should I put in it?
@civic apex A cheap RX series card like the RX 570/580 if you can spend it. Otherwise a 1650/1660.
civic apex
Ok thank you!
wide shore
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rBqdBZ is this a good list?
crimson scroll
i'd change the cpu cooler and the case
wide shore
what are your recommendations?
crimson scroll
if you're sticking with liquid cooling, the arctic freezer II 280 or EK AIO
as for case, a more airflow focused one like the p400a/p500a, td500 mesh, lian li lancool II mesh
wide shore
if i was gonna go air cooling what are your recommendations for that?
noble oak
people really bullying esports even tho bugha literally won twice as much as those reporters will ever earn in their entire life
crimson scroll
nh-d15/dark rock pro 4 are top tier, scythe fuma 2/mugen rev.b/thermalright le grand macho rev.b are really good price/perf
also, wrong channel @noble oak ?
noble oak
indeed
sturdy comet
cl18 tho
b550 needed?
and going to stream? no = 5700xt i would say
would at least get a gold model of your psu
but thats my point of view of saving/spending money on 🙂
crimson scroll
going gold doesn't really save you money
at this point, i wouldn't buy a b450 anymore
and the ram is fine, 3600cl18 is about equal to 3200cl16 and it's rgb so that's where that additional cost comes from
sturdy comet
at this point, i wouldn't buy a b450 anymore
@crimson scroll well, at least my for country, not worth to spend 50-70$ extra for a b550 that isnt that much better
crimson scroll
i don't know what country you're in
sturdy comet
going gold doesn't really save you money
@crimson scroll said spending and saving 😉 such as 2070s is way more expensive as a 5700xt for example
i don't know what country you're in
@crimson scroll im from the netherlands 🙂
sturdy comet
welp
crimson scroll
also, my point still stands
a gold psu won't necessarily save you money long term
sturdy comet
true, but bronze wont either
devout wolf
80+ ratings don't matter
there are gold psus that are time bombs
there are bronze psus that are great
but it depends on the specific unit
noble oak
Opinions on a NZXT H510?
devout wolf
looks nice, that's it
crimson scroll
bad airflow
devout wolf
form over function, there is very little airflow
crimson scroll
can be brute forced to be okay
crimson scroll
it uses a weird negative pressure setup i think
noble oak
K, I was thinking of using it over the p400a but guess not
crimson scroll
there are lots of good airflow options at that price point
crimson scroll
td500 mesh, lancool II mesh, p400a, enthoo pro 2 (lol), nr600, 500dx, h500 non P
devout wolf
hold up, they have an o11 knockoff 
noble oak
Dam, I really don’t want a case that’s pretty loud honestly. It’s gonna be right by my bed
P400a supposedly had quiet fans, probably later on I’m gonna but like 3 more fans
crimson scroll
the thing to remember is
if a case has good airflow, you can modify your fan curves to be quieter
and your parts will still run cool
so a silence focused case isn't necessarily better
noble oak
True
craggy bear
Ocean themed pc, gonna put this in
unborn kiln
P400a supposedly had quiet fans, probably later on I’m gonna but like 3 more fans
@noble oak I have the p400a
Solid Case I dont hear the case at all
mellow ferry
my pc specs atm are:
CiT Tornado Gaming PC Case
AMD Ryzen 3 2300X 3.5GHz (4.0GHz Turbo) Quad-Core Processor
Stock Cooler
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Graphics Card
16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000MHz DDR4 Memory (2 x 8GB)
1TB Seagate BarraCuda Hard Drive
ASUS PRIME A320M-K Motherboard
what would be a logical upgrade, and what needs upgrading first
stuck bluff
I'd say the ram is probably your first port of call, and maybe the cooler for the CPU? But that's afaik on that one!
stuck bluff
Oh never mind! I'd probably go the cooler.
What's your PSU too? Is that a stock one?
mellow ferry
Aerocool Integrator 600W 80+ Power Supply
lofty oriole
So much red
full jackal
yes
its funny i have blue lights on left, red mouse on right, and rbg keeb in the middle
noble oak
Thanks Omar! Really good to hear coming from an owner of the case, but is there any cons of the case I should know about?
crimson scroll
upgrading your gpu and cpu will do more for your performance than your ram will@mellow ferry
unfortunate that you're on a 320 board though
i also see no SSD, that would make everything feel way more snappy and responsive
so depending on your budget, if it's low, maybe just get an SSD
crimson scroll
at 1080p sure
could be optimized though
is their budget $700?
$820ish with the motherboard i guess
oblique nova
Im not sure
crimson scroll
ask them
oblique nova
ik
around 800?
He's not being very helpful
Is this Pc pretty good. (It is my first time making one)
crimson scroll
you need to provide the actual list
that's just the link to the editor
it'll bring up whatever list each individual person has
crimson scroll
for your friend
your list is missing a lot of prices so it's hard to tell if it's a good deal
oblique nova
For me its only missing the moniter and that is 250 i believe
crimson scroll
crimson scroll
i would get a cheaper ssd like a sn550 then
oblique nova
k
crimson scroll
also i would change coolers, if you want to stay liquid, EK AIO/arctic liquid freezer II
i don't know much about that case but it looks like a glass front so airflow won't be great
oblique nova
thx
crimson scroll
and i wouldn't buy windows
oblique nova
y not
crimson scroll
i didn't say anything about linux
full jackal
mac os is meh
crimson scroll
...
full jackal
lmaoo
crimson scroll
you're making a lot of assumptions
full jackal
im just saying things
crimson scroll
you don't even know what i was going to say to him
full jackal
you have to buy a product key tho
crimson scroll
no you don't
crimson scroll
no, you don't
full jackal
windows aint free
crimson scroll
you don't know what you're talking about
as somebody who has downloaded and installed windows directly from microsoft, for free, i do
oblique nova
I dont think you can get windows for free
full jackal
you can't lmnao
oblique nova
how did you do it
crimson scroll
yes, you can
oblique nova
then
full jackal
you need a product key
crimson scroll
you don't need a product key
oblique nova
Then what did you do
crimson scroll
literally that
you don't need a product key
you'll just have a watermark
and it's slightly harder to personalize
and if you really care, buy a legitimate OEM key for like $3
full jackal
"To get started, you will first need to have a license to install Windows 10. You can then download and run the media creation tool. For more information on how to use the tool, see the instructions below."
crimson scroll
but don't spread misinformation on how you can't install and use windows for free
full jackal
p r o d u c t k e y
full jackal
on what
full jackal
to install on what
crimson scroll
what do you mean "to install on what"
how much more straightforward can i be
you're daft
full jackal
like why did you download windows
crimson scroll
so that i could install it?
full jackal
what were you installing it on
crimson scroll
what kind of a dumb question is that
full jackal
what was on it before windows 10
devout wolf
you don't need a product key, you can use unactivated windows fine except it has a watermark
oblique nova
what watermark
full jackal
unactivated though
crimson scroll
and?
full jackal
i thought there's features missing
crimson scroll
you're an idiot
devout wolf
there's an option while installing windows from the mct,
I don't have a product key
crimson scroll
yeah
devout wolf
only features missing are like
crimson scroll
you miss out on personalization
devout wolf
remote desktop
full jackal
dude relax lmfao @crimson scroll
crimson scroll
it's slightly harder to change desktop background
frustrates me to no end when people who don't know what they're talking about insist that they do
full jackal
no i mean the personalisation page lmao
devout wolf
oh
yeah you can't change much there, but you can still get around it
you miss out on personalization
full jackal
you can still set background by right clicking a downloaded picture
devout wolf
yup
full jackal
and clicking "set as desktop background"
anyway @crimson scroll i do know what I'm talking about, you do need a product key to use windows 10's full features. you don't have to be so snooty about it lol
i know you can just install it and use it, just skip activation
crimson scroll
then why did it take me an essay to tell you how to do it
if you know what you're talking about
naive dagger
Saucy is mean
full jackal
kek
devout wolf
windows aint free
you need a product key
devout wolf
you don't need one
full jackal
to use full features yes
crimson scroll
you didn't say that
crimson scroll
and the average consumer doesn't need full features
full jackal
¯_(ツ)_/¯
crimson scroll
you were wrong
naive dagger
JCadoo is right
full jackal
LMFAO
naive dagger
Yummy
full jackal
yos
naive dagger
Nope saucy still has me blocked 😔
crimson scroll
@devout wolf kill me
devout wolf
oblique nova
k
crimson scroll
the cheaper smaller option is p400a, still very good temps, slightly worse tooling
crimson scroll
yes
oblique nova
k
crimson scroll
the manufacturer website has diagrams with fan layouts
oblique nova
ohhhh
noble oak
yo guys what the difference between a $10 wireless network adapter, and $260 wireless network adapter?
ping to tell me
crimson scroll
depends on the adapters
but probably speed and reliability @noble oak like anything else that would have a price difference of $250
mellow ferry
and distance
noble oak
im right next to my router
mellow ferry
and compression
crimson scroll
it's like asking what the difference between a $100 phone and $500 phone is
noble oak
so do i get the cheapest one?
crimson scroll
it depends on the phone
noble oak
i dont have one
crimson scroll
it's not as simple as just saying "cheapest because range is short"
mellow ferry
name will do
crimson scroll
yes
noble oak
sure