#💻-building-a-pc
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What kind of mobo do you have?
You don't need gold rated
Do the mobo lights come on?
You save a couple dollars at best per year
Ye lights are on I can show u
Efficiency is not the only good thing about a gold rating, they are usually more reliable, I suggest never cheaping out on a PSU @crimson scroll
The price diff between a gold and bronze isn't big
@low vigil Unplug and clean your ram sticks? worth a try
Do you have any other components lying around?
Sure
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HWdg9G
Any suggestions for my parts?
Looks solid
Maybe just an NVMe?
Other then that nothing much. You could find a way better case imo
okay yeah maybe just don't go with that case, I don't see a lot of ventilation
I have the p400a
Probably some of the best ventilation and it wasn't that expensive...
Yeah just looks like your case and you could consider an NVMe SSD
I want to upgrade from my Blackwidow Chroma, but steelseries doesnt have any keyboards with macro buttons (M1-M5), makes me sad.
Are there any alternatives?
I'm fairly certain that the Apex 7/Pro do have macro keys on the Nav cluster (Ins, Del, Home, End, Pg Up, Pg Dn)
What
whats up
im not rlly sure what compatibility issues i need to watch out for and i deally want a mother board i wont have to change for another few years
cool
WD blue
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/ this will be your friend
future proof up until am5, yes
Nothing is future proof forever
thats why i don't use that term very much haha
yeah ive used pc part picker i understand it helps with compatibility but i also dont know what is overkill for a mother baord
is 200 too much for a future 'proof' MB
well, you probably won't care too much about vrm quality, as long as it handles a 3700x and a mild oc, you'll be good
im looking around 150 but i rlly dont know
i have a laptop as well why is this so relatable XDD
looks like the msi mpg x570 gaming plus is 170 pounds which would be just fine for you
I use the aorus pro x570
There’s always b550
@crimson scroll @low vigil ive been planning to build a pc for a year now always stalling XD
do you care about rgb
yeah let me send you my build
You always want to make your purchases as close to MSRP as possible regardless of anybody’s recommendations
And unless you need all of the pci-e lanes offered by x570 they’re around $120-150
manufacturer suggested retail price
ah kk
@crimson scroll did you Google that xD
so you sat x570?
✅
honestly what you have now is fine, you don't really need to buy thermal paste separately
You need to tell me what cpu and GPU you want
What your total budget is
Because we can't make one component OP and the other noobie
maybe a different case though, a p400a would cost you about the same after those case fans
@low vigil he already stated, 1500 pounds, and he linked a list
I would try to find the parts individually to get the best price
should i upgrade cpu or nothing worth improving?
it's fine for gaming
and programming?
you can always sell it and add in a zen3 processor later for a small cost
what kind of programming
Your cpu will always be outdated cus tech evolves faster than you can count to 10
if you're literally writing code, anything can do that
idk about to start uni
also, gpus get outdated faster than cpus
so...that's not exactly true zr1
there are 2700k and 4790k that keep up today
@crimson scroll what's the name of that tech thing where technology improves twice as fast
the rule?
Yeees
yeah that
You know it
exponential
that doesn't translate linearly to performance
Moore's law is the observation that the number of transistors in a dense integrated circuit doubles about every two years.
Which is correct
Your cpu is outdated in 2 years
anyhow is the b550 gonna last me a while
Yeeee
the 5 3600?
an 8700k was released in q4 2017, it's not outdated lmao
it's not as powerful as a 10700k sure
also you said its fine for gaming, i dont want fine, i want good
but will it perform perfectly fine even with a 2080ti? yes
or is it good
it'll be good
gucci
if you want top tier gaming performance, go intel
the difference is only a couple of frames in most games
then no point
need me some money for going out at uni XD
those frames can wait
also would you say the 5 3600 id need to upgrade in about a year or so or more?
probably not
if you wanted to, you would be able to drop in a zen3 processor for more frames, but you would be just fine keeping it
supposedly end of 2020
oh ok
expect delays
nah ill get the 3600 now then uprade in a few years
Same with the new graphics cards
so you dont think 3000 series will drop september?
Probably not
i was planning on getting 3000 series or a 2000 series at a reduced price once they release
so do you think i should just go ahead and buy all my parts
Moore's Law has been ridiculously accurate for more than 50 years - how long will it hold up?
See in this visualization how the actual transistors in CPUs and GPUs compare to the linear progression of Moore's Law. From the early days of microprocessors, to Intel dominance and...
yes, go ahead
congrats, you've not disproved what i said
real world performance hasn't scaled like that recently
and gpus are still faster to become obsolete
Congratulations you played yourself
i've provided concrete evidence that a cpu from three years ago is not outdated, contrary to what you've said
In 2017 Ryzen released the 1000 series which has 8 cores 16 threads
In 2019 Ryzen released the 3950x which has 16 cores 32 threads
So it's correct so far
Wanna bet it's gonna double again in 2021
32 cores 64 threads
the 1950x also has 16 cores
also, the 3990x exists
stop making random comparisons to prove your point
you're literally comparing the "1000 series" to a specific threadripper on zen 2
Why do you have to bully me for that
because it's an inaccurate comparison
you didn't even specify which 1000 series processor
if you're gonna compare HEDT, do it right
I'm on mobile give me a break
1000 series is literally more words than 1950x
Oh WeLl iM sUrE aMd ePyC rOmE 3995 is better than a ryzen 3 1300
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.
not even remotely in the same price bracket. please don't make stupid comparisons like that
don't know why you're insulting me, either
You can however compare a ryzen 7 3700x to a ryzen 7 1700x
yeah
And you will see quite a massive difference
agreed
do i get 5 3600+buy a cooler or 7 3700 with stock coolers wraith prism whatever it is
the stock coolers are generally fine...they run a bit hot but won't kill your cpu
a 3700x will do better with any multitasking, due to the extra cores. for example, if you want to do any video editing
it's around a hundred bucks difference in the US for the two, whether that's worth it to you...i can't say
guess ill stick to 3600
yeah. the 3700x also does slightly better in games, but...key word being slightly
It's fine with stock but will last longer with an aftermarket
3600 is where it’s at 😎
@crimson scroll were do you think the problem lies in my pc
Computer starts with full fan speed but no connection with the monitor
you plugged into the gpu or the mobo
Lol yeah you have to be into the mobo
When you first make it
if your cpu has no integrated graphics, you have to plug into your dedicated gpu to get signal out
Well yeah it’s not the case it’s the mobo
Oh huh
make sure everything is seated properly
Tried a differrnt display port
Did you dip it in water and bleach
No difference
Try that
can you stop trolling
...no
you're breaking up the chat and making it harder to help them
Ok
go somewhere else
right, you said you took out the ram and cleaned it
okay i have another dilema
Yes
so it's possible it was loose when you reseated that
I did that after that
do i go atx or microatx
In case the problem was in the ram
@finite plank do you have any size constraints for your pc
if you're not transporting it often, atx is fine
ATX will fill it more and make it Look less empty
@low vigil clear cmos perhaps
I need to access bios for that
That’s just cosmetic
clearing cmos just means powering down and pulling out the watch battery for a couple of seconds
it resets your bios settings without needing to actually go into bios
The watch battery?
ATX will fill it more and make it Look less empty
@naive dagger but wont micro atx do that even more
Micro atx is literally smaller
it will take up less space, so you'll have more empty space
oh sorry forgot to say
My wording was misleading sorry
@crimson scroll is that advanced
if i got for a micro atx then i will go for a smaller case
see the little round watch battery under the gpu?
that's the battery you pull for cmos
im looking at the fractal design meshify c regular/mini
meshify is fine, just have to add fans to get good thermal performance, at which point you might as well get a different case for the same price
c dark what
tg is tempered glass
@crimson scroll is there a anything u don't know
there's a lot i don't know
so i should just go with atx MB then
There’s nothing I don’t know 😎
See saucy agrees w/ me
can add wifi card and any other expansions you need
I currently have a crappy WiFi usb; should I switch to a pcie card
mATX comes with wifi tho
yes
wifi usb sticks generally run hot
@finite plank that's not in the matx spec
@crimson scroll do you think unplugging all usb cables could fix my problem?
there are matx boards that come with wifi and bluetooth
just as there are ATX boards that come with wifi and bluetooth
MSI B550M PRO-VDH WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard
there are also boards of both sizes that don't come with wifi and bluetooth
okay,sorry if im making no sense im so lost
@low vigil i've seen a situation where case fans were drawing too much power...so maybe? unlikely but you can try it if you want
Wait but case fans don’t use usb
so that one i just shared is it worth gettingthat MB along with shrinking a mid tower case
they don't, my point was that weird situations can arise where the root cause of the problem is unexpected @naive dagger
Oh I see
from meshify C to meshify c mini
@finite plank i generally view it as better to just buy a wifi expansion card
if you want the smaller computer, then go matx by all means, nothing wrong with that either
if you want to go even smaller, like mitx and SFF cases, that starts to get more expensive, and harder to cool
but the matx should be as efficient as the atx build?
yes
okay i might do that then
be careful with the video card
make sure you check the case supported gpu length against the actual length of the gpu
and if you go with an aftermarket cpu cooler, check that it fits the case as well
for some smaller cases, longer video cards will fit only if you remove the hard drive bays
Yeah the length is a problem
But sometimes you can move the lower fan up
Like in my case
To make it fit
should that all be fine if pc partpicker doesnt say anyything
it can't check all dimensions so i would go to the manufacturer websites and double check to be safe
@crimson scroll what's your pc specs
@crimson scroll what’re your pc’s specs
... Why ping me after he pinged me already
Those aren’t specs
Sucks to be you huh
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/30392114 Why does my benchmark say my GPU is underperforming?
@low vigil r5 2600, gtx1080, 24gb 3200cl14, ab350 gaming 3, corsair 200r, sn750 500gb, seasonic m12II Evo 520w, bunch of other random drives
Probably says that because it's scoring lower than other similar gpus
Cool
I hope someone can help me with my GPU issue
how are the temps on your card under load
overclocking is pretty safe, you can use msi afterburner and just use sliders
if you're not doing shunt mods and stuff to make your power limit crazy, you'll probably be fine
you can set temperature limits too so that your card won't overheat
Can I run battlefield v at ultra on my raspberry pi 3
troll :/
Nice
I'll mute too
sure
with any overclocking, you increase voltage and clock little by little, stress test, and if it's stable, you keep going
there are safe limits you shouldn't go over, i stick below 105% power limit for my gpu but you can go up to 130
But you can overcloco via bios without installing any software
for your CPU
With my bios u can
you're talking about your CPU right
hmm
its still pretty risky to OC
and honestly idk if i NEED too?
all my games play flawlessly at ultra
@sinful crypt GPUs have built in safeguards to prevent them from bricking so if you push it too far it would just shut itself down and reset itself to default settings before you could literally kill it
ok ill try it then
if you're happy with your performance
If you're nervous about it look up an OC guide from JayzTwoCents because he uses Afterburner for all his GPU OCs
then you don't have to
but it is kind of a shame to have a 2080ti and not push it a bit
But OCing is free performance so if you have the ability you might as well do it lol
Start by dragging the power limit all the way to the right then just gradually bump up clock and memory speeds by like 100mhz at a time until it starts becoming unstable
ideally yes
you close everything but afterburner and your stress test of choice, like unigine heaven
i'm not familiar with the userbenchmark test, it's fine for comparing to make sure your system is performing up to spec but i don't know if it stress tests
yes, it's free
download unigine heaven and have it running in loop while you bump up clock and memory speeds. You'll know you're pushing the card too far when you start to see artifacts in the benchmark
Slide the power limit all the way to the right
just like 1?
you can unlink the temp and power limit if you want, and manually control the temp limit
to the right?
no, all the way
ok done
oh wow yours is easier on the eyes than mine
You want the GPU to be able to draw as much power as it can so that's why you move the slider all the way to the right
you can change the theme if you'd like, go to settings
then keep clicking right until you get to user interface
Hey that's the theme I use too @crimson scroll lmao
you see the middle of the screen?
yep
all the way to the right of the settings tabs is user interface
the one i have selected is the one i'm using
Ya the default theme kinda sucks lol
okay now you see core clock and memory clock?
yes
whichever you want
im new to this
50 will be slower but will be more fine tuned
you can just start with 100
Since it's a 2080TI you can start with 100 and when it hits it's limit then you can dial in a more precise clock speed
looks good, just gotta apply
Click the check mark to apply
ok, close everything else?
leave discord open so we can walk you through
but yeah, close everything but afterburner, unigine heaven, and discord
how about my animated background
The best way to monitor everything in real time is to have heaven running on loop in windowed mode with Afterburner overlayed on top of it so you can keep bumping clock speeds and see how that affects temps and FPS. Eventually you'll hit a point where you'll start seeing artifacts in heaven and that's when you start lowering the clock speeds bit by bit until you get rid of those artifacts
ok, anything else?
Let it run for about 10 minutes in a loop so it gets up to its max temp then start messing with clock speeds
Yeah don't stop it tho keep it running as you're bumping up speeds like I said
whenever i come to talk in discord
fps dropps
is that ok
it drops like 15-20 frames
that's normal
it's fine
it should start throttling at around 80-85
if everything looks smooth and no random black spots or anything, bump up the clocks a bit more, by 100mhz
the benchmark scenes restarted?
yeah that's supposed to happen
you can start upping the clocks now
ok
remember to apply, then just wait
drag up core and mem clock by 100mhz each and apply
yup
ok it crashed
every card has different silicon
some can overclock to higher frequencies with less voltage, some can't
ok so i put it back to 100
1965mhz is fine
uh its not 1965 anymore
some manufacturers also overclock out of the box already
yeah when not under load your gpu won't be at full frequency
give it some time to ramp back up
i barely hear the fans, usually i never hear them
if i turn my fans up to 100% on manual mode, they blast so loud
and there's no artifacting?
what temp is the gpu at
82 right now
cool, bump it up to 175
nice, let it keep running for a bit
everything still looking good?
You can also change the fan curve to make it more aggressive to bring temps down.
yes, faster fan = louder
if you don't mind the noise, then go ahead and turn up the fan speed
A little bit, but it depends on the quality of the fans on the card how loud they get
uh hold on they are custom fans i got their names here
What brand is the card from?
heh
F
nothing
could use hwinfo
oh
or open up your pc
or see if you still have the box somewhere
looks like we should stick at +150 then
ok i set it back to 150
you can try changing just one of memory and core clock to see which one you can push a little higher
nice
so yeah asus
i'm gonna go ahead and guess that +150 is the limit for your core clock, but you can probably push your memory clock higher, like +500 or more
would that be massive gains or not so much
also this is in windowed mode, did i want windowed mode?
or full screen
it wouldn't be massive gains
you need to get a larger res monitor, a 1080p monitor with a 2080ti is sacrilege
i would look into 1440p 144hz or 4k 60hz
the one that says im underperforming
hey so, that last pic says gpu had 4gb of memory?
Shouldnt it be 11?
Yeah, says i have 11gb
but this says 4gb?
ok whew
do i need to leave the msi up all the time to keep the +150?
Or is it a set it and forget it
looks like your 9900k is still at 3.60ghz
should OC that too then
it will take longer
thats dangerous tho right, no failsafe like the gpu
so start with windows? or is there another setting
and it automatically applies?
yeah
no prob
make sure you save to a profile and lock it
so you won't lose the OC settings
lol
Here is before https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/30392114
check what other 2080ti users are getting fps wise on the unigine test
Here is after https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/30999056
og the GPU score went up
everything else went down
variance is expected
you run the same thing 100 times, you're not gonna get the same numbers
hmm ok, why is my samsung drive so bad?
damn
you can close everything down and run a crystaldisk benchmark on it
uhh
your monitor shouldn't affect anything
apart from what res you run stuff at
looks fine
yeah
damn
don't worry so much about the userbenchmark benchmark
is there a better benchmark?
for SSDs specifically? the most common one is crystaldisk, but there's a lot
oh no for everything
sequential r/w is overrated anyways, most people care about random perf
for everything? nah, just use separate benchmarks
oh ok
i also didnt know the intel one was better than the samsung
but i just learned about that last week lol
it's ... not
oh?
660p is QLC and 1800/1800 r/w
970 evo plus is 3500/3300, TLC, and is categorized as top tier prosumer
also, your ram is 3600cl18 but i don't think you were running it at that speed when you posted your hwinfo
did you enable XMP in bios?
under advanced frequency probably?
i don't know what the intel gigabyte bios looks like
or advanced memory
ok ill try and see in a bit
i have discord on phone
i guess i could take phone pics
<
ok going into bios now
brb
@crimson scroll
two days ago all i needed was a power supply and motherboard. now i have to start over
my dad smashed all of my parts and my phone AND i have no money ðŸ¤
Lemme look
you pay for all the parts yourself?
Why exactly did that happen?
it's a long story
price gap right now between 3100 and 3300x makes the 3100 not worth it, at least in the US
and 1650 super is...meh
@humble oar i'm sorry, nobody should have that happen. I don't know what your family dynamic is like but i hope you can work it out and get your parts back
Just 1 profile or disable
1
@hidden spade 3600 and used rx580
ok i will look into it
@sinful crypt you sure your ram is 3600cl18? check if your motherboard supports higher ram speeds
i hope so too. maybe by the time i finally have enough money to get new parts i'll be able to get the best parts
Uh I'll get into windows and check
@crimson scroll is it ryzen 5
yes, ryzen 5 3600
wait what
amazon and walmart have been at war lowering the price very slowly, you can get one for about 160
i thought u said 3600
typed the wrong one sorry
@crimson scroll is it true that there's not much difference between a brand new gpu and second hand
for the most part yes
@crimson scroll idk if this is what you need, but heres this?
and you're located in the US?
@sinful crypt so your ram is 3000cl15, but your parts list has it at 3600cl18
uh oh i probably got the wrong ram then
Do I need to do anything right now then?
Or is this not good ram
Hmm ok
@hidden spade yeah going used will definitely get you the best bang for buck at a 600 budget
@crimson scroll what phone do you use
?? why
i already have my parts on amazon save for later for 600$
but when corona over its gonna drop
so imma wait
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/V9rjTC after adding on the 3300x price of 120, this is pretty close to 600
yeah, if you wait then ask again right when you're about to build
prices will shift
i need a 500gb
that case also needs some extra fans, you can pick up arctic fans for cheap
ye i will ask my mom to pay for pc parts and i will pay for mouse keyboard monitor and all that
@low vigil to elaborate on what i said earlier, any decent gpu miner would have undervolted and underclocked their gpus, so that wouldn't be a concern with shortened lifespan. A card used for exotic overclocking and pushing power limits would be at a much higher risk for a shortened lifespan. Most used cards are perfectly safe to use though
the 1650s and rx580 is only 10$ difference so i dont see the reason cuz the 1650s gets more fps
i think
i looked at reviews
true
oof
what needs to save
hi
hi
Do you think this is good price to preformance ram
G.Skill 16GB DDR4 Trident Z Royal Silver 3200Mhz PC4-25600 CL16 1.35V Dual Channel Kit (2x8GB) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07LD56VJ9/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_EF6gFbC3HF1P4
Hi my mom says I can't play more pc and that I'm addicted and that I need treatment. What should I do? Please help me
Therapy
What’s a good price for 3200 16gb
you can get it as cheap as 60 bucks
won't be the best overclocking ram, but it'll run just fine
Ok thanks!
and that's not really a building a pc question, but sounds like you and your mom need to talk about your screentime and how much is healthy
i have no idea how old you are and how much you play
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#Z=16384002&F=5625000,10000000&sort=price&page=1 @noble oak here's a list of all ram with at least 10ns latency
Will overclocking your ram affect its health
upload it to streamable or youtube
you made...a video...to show a parts list?
Yes
Yes
😂
just make a pcpartspicker list and share it, so much easier to read
Lmaooo
you can add non pc parts to pcpartpicker
.
He actually uploaded it to YouTube
i'm not gonna watch that video, sorry
thought it was like a video of an error or something that you were having trouble with
iphone 8 bro it literally just got uploaded
i didnt even use editing software
thats why
dum
@crimson scroll bro im not gonna make that whole list again
yo
can anyone quickly finish off my builld
buying my parts right now just need a good mid-high end motherboard
why are you mixing and matching the fans?
also the one you originally had in there was fine
sorry ignore that
just going with 2 140mm fans
the case comes with 2
Acer Nitro VG271UPbmiipx 27 inch is this a good monitor?
the one you have on there is a good one
the acer is fine, just meh contrast ratio apparently
?
the lg has freesync
and is widely regarded as having really good image quality
it doesnt say freesync
the acer stand is also kind of meh, looking at the pictures
oh nvm it does
it has both freesync and gysnc compatibility
just doesnt have it in the title but it has it in the desc
ok ty
this is going to hurt my wallet
i mean
still stuck on a motherboard
don't spend money that you can't, right
lmao yeh
on stuff for myself, my general rule is don't get it unless i can safely afford buying two of them
also like i pointed out earlier you don't need a separate tube of thermal paste
most coolers come preapplied or have a little tube or pouch
oh okay
comes with mx-4
anyways, you could get a b450-a pro max, a aorus elite, the b450/550 tomahawk/max, etc
lots of good options
what about the fan i have rn
i think it's weird you're picking two different ones
wdym
do you really like the look of the meshify c?
does that come with thermal paste
i'd go for the 34 duo if it wasn't so overpriced
and yes, that's what i just pointed out with that link
ok
the website for the cooler states it comes with mx-4
a lot of people don't like the aorus elite bios so maybe don't pick that one
for the fans im just getting 2 bionix
ok
need something on amazon rlly everything else is amazon
a lot of your stuff on that list isn't
¯_(ツ)_/¯
XD
XDD
an employee discount, or that 5% on amazon prime card?
what's the fixation with buying from amazon
i guess if you're super impatient
i am
uhh
well it adds quite a bit imo buying from amazon
everything from amazon uk
nearly $2k, nice
add a wifi card
the tplink ac1300 is a good budget one
or the asus ones, they make progressively more expensive ones
which one
seems fine
also...fine
you're getting a 3600, any board will run it
if you're worried about upgrading in the future, get a b550 or b450 tomahawk max
really solid vrm on those
the price
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in that price range, then the aorus pro/elite or steel legend
i really recommend doing your own research, finding reputable reviewers and making your decisions based on that
I like gamersnexus and the people they collaborate with
ive done that but then when i do a parts list i just get violated XD
?
ive done some research and put together a parts list but when i come to posting it and asking if its good, its all wrong
it can definitely take time, just gotta learn what fits what price bracket and what's suitable for what purpose
like, at a 2k price point, it's a little weird to me you choose such a dinky cooler. there's nothing wrong with it, it's just not super balanced
it doesn't...but you could get a nice cooler for 60 bucks that will keep it really cool
air cooler
and the fact that we picked a sata m.2 drive over an nvme when the prices are generally pretty comparable
i was planning to use the stock cooler with the 7 3700x
@crimson scroll you've been here all day all night
observant
You mean motherboard?
Idk
That's not much help
lol
Basically what he said was
On the motherboard there is a battery take the battery out plug your Pau in and start up
hi i was wondering if i should upgrade to a rtx 2060
i got a gtx 1650, an i5 (sry idk which one), 16gb ram
with my current pc i play warzone with 50-60 fps with all settings low, 1907/1040 resolution and 95 render scaling
sry for bad english
yes, you can do it
nice thx
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Cz4b3t solid parts or nah?
also, not the exact parts i'll be using, they're similar though
I’d go with an rtx 2070 or 2070 super @clear jacinth