💻-building-a-pc

[severe halo]

well ye but you dont have to worry about the warranty of the pc as a whole

[chilly edge]

Yeah, Dell/HP still use some proprietary parts and stuff

[severe halo]

so if you change something inside and it breaks, then you just fix it, instead of trying to get the company to do it for a fee

[pulsar fossil]

You can always buy pre-built from a company that uses off the shelf components

I've been considering doing that

[severe halo]

true, but you still cant really do anything to it for fear of voiding warranty

[pulsar fossil]

You can

[muted viper]

thats what i hate, i tried upgrading an old dell PC with some G.skill ripjaws ram and it refused to post @chilly edge

[severe halo]

at least, as far as I know

[muted viper]

nonono

wait wdym by change something inside @severe halo

[severe halo]

say if you like

add more ram

or something

[muted viper]

good gosh

void a waranty for more ram?

[pulsar fossil]

I'm pretty sure you can change components without voiding the warranty where I'm considering to buy

[muted viper]

wait

[pulsar fossil]

But you'll obviously void the warranty if the fault is from you messing up the pc

[muted viper]

thats a thing

[pulsar fossil]

Yes

[muted viper]

they will void a warrantee just bcs you upgraded?

whoa

another reason i like to build it myself

[pulsar fossil]

Well some will

Not all

But I'm not completely sure that they can do it

[median tangle]

Which prebuilt is best?
SkyTech: https://www.walmart.com/ip/SkyTech-Shadow-Gaming-Computer-PC-Desktop-Ryzen-3-1300X-4-Core-3-5GHz-Radeon-RX-580-4G-1TB-HDD-8GB-DDR4-AC-WiFi-24X-DVD-ROM-Windows-10-Home-64-bit/792830001
Apex Silver: https://apexgamingpcs.com/products/apex-silver-gaming-pc?variant=16075417813086

[chilly edge]

the SkyTech one is better, but i wouldn't use either

[median tangle]

I mean my budget is 600 for a prebuilt

[serene forum]

i believe cyber power has some p good prebuild for that price point, but its been awhile since i loooked at those.

[fiery monolith]

Idk. Its pretty muxh you get what ya pay for tbh.

I would pay $600 for a gfx card alone personally

[dark linden]

Guys...my laptop is still warranty-valid even if I change the hard drives...the important thing is to not destroy the original partition which contains their customized version of windows and that you do not force to break the connectors :P

something like 10 years ago a friend of mine bought a shitty pre-built HP which in a couple of years became a "ninja-PC" and when the Hard-Drive broke it was still under warranty. So I guess it depends on how do you upgrade it and what type of damage you've done to your PC.

MSI made the new Trident-X upgrade-friendly on purpose...I think that the market is moving into more choices and less "shit".

One thing is for sure, in order to have the maximum return prebuilt are usually cheap on motherboards, RAM and PSU (which can easily bottleneck the rest of your hardware if they're really bad) so if you feel to jump into the adventure of building yourself a PC you can cheapen out on the GPU (which is the first thing everyone tends to change on a computer) and build a good combination of core components while waiting for the good graphics card (like 1080s) to go cheap on the 2nd hand market...

[pulsar fossil]

Who can guess what headset that is?

[dark linden]

9H?

they look like the wireless version

It's strange...they're not 9h...they look like a limited edition of the 7h...or at least it's a model which shares some design features...

Jeeeeez

those are the Spectrum!

Wireless headset for Xbox 360!

Am I right? 😛

7xB version...the 5xB where the wired ones... 😄

damn...they look like new! Those are something like 7y.o. headphones...my 7H have lost their leather earpads 😹

[muted viper]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BxakXtNBTgx/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

what is the meaning of this image?

[jagged sinew]

they're making a mfi gun a la the nes or arcade ones

[muted viper]

ohh

lol

notice

usb 3 has 9 connectors, that could be an option?

@dusty oar

[dusty oar]

well I don't think it's usb 3 because there is no blue in there

[muted viper]

oh

not all ppl put the blue on the connectors

plus

[chilly edge]

either way, not all the wires might be soldered into the connector

[muted viper]

i think there is a way to use the metal part around the connector as a pin

[dusty oar]

see that's what I'm thinking but then I have to cut open the wire to see

what @chilly edge said

[muted viper]

oh

[chilly edge]

yeah

cable isnt expendable

[muted viper]

no im saying the ground wire

that could be what its for

[chilly edge]

yeah that does seem logical

[dusty oar]

there are 5 wires, red for +5V, white for data+, green for data-, one black for GND and another black one for idk

[muted viper]

no

[dusty oar]

well I found something that talked about ID wire and master and slave but didn't really understand

[muted viper]

im pretty sure - terminal and ground are not the same thing

[dusty oar]

terminal?

[muted viper]

one sec

this

• and ground are not the same

i think

@dusty oar

[dusty oar]

oh you mean like that

[muted viper]

yeah

[dusty oar]

that's a possibility

sorry english isn't my native language

[muted viper]

idc its fine

i mean the cables ARE thick, iv always wondered why

[pulsar fossil]

[muted viper]

NICE

man im jealous

@dusty oar this is prolly your cable layout then

[dusty oar]

yes it's that or what pachimaniac said

[muted viper]

@dusty oar this is prolly the pin out

[dark linden]

Have you seen One Plus 7 Pro? No water resistance, no headphone jack, no wireless charging...higher price: WTF?

[tropic hollow]

@pulsar fossil has :) @dark linden

[pulsar fossil]

@dark linden I have one

There is water resistance

It's just not ip classified

Don't care about headphone jack or wireless charger

If you don't want a higher price, go for the OnePlus 7

Same price

[dark linden]

The point is that the even the new ones don't have rating

I don't understand why

because it's really pricey

[pulsar fossil]

Also 7xb is the correct answer @dark linden

Can you guess these two?

[chilly edge]

Left looks like the Kinzu, right looks like the Sensei

i don't think my sensei was that shiny though

[noble oak]

kinzu nd sensei

gonna be excited to check the rival 106

kinda weird they made the hump so tall on it

[muted viper]

what

there is a rival 106

i thought that was a typo 😄

[noble oak]

asian market only

[muted viper]

ahh

[noble oak]

you can thank steelseries for that lmao

[muted viper]

thank you steelseries

for showing me that you have at least one problem

[noble oak]

bought mine of Aliexpress coming to europe

[muted viper]

😄

[noble oak]

maybe 1-2weeks

[muted viper]

im fine sticking to my 310 😄

[noble oak]

good mouse too

too big for me if u mean rival 310

[humble rampart]

Legendary Sensei in the wild

Lennart, you must have a SteelSeries museum of products at this point

[pulsar fossil]

A small one @humble rampart

I have a ton of mini jack extenders though

[humble rampart]

lol

[pulsar fossil]

From the 5h v2 or something

The ones that kept breaking all the time :P

[noble oak]

siberias :p?

[pulsar fossil]

Might be

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WmJfq4c_zXk/maxresdefault.jpg

those

[noble oak]

damn old style hehe

looks nice

[muted viper]

hey

i still use those extenders

in fact im using one rn

@pulsar fossil

[pulsar fossil]

Me too!

I use them all the time

Very handy

[muted viper]

i only have one tho

[pulsar fossil]

You can daisy chain a lot of them

[muted viper]

i wish i had some more

[pulsar fossil]

I think I've put at least 4 or 5 together

[muted viper]

😄

its an analog signal man give it a break

[pulsar fossil]

:D

[muted viper]

but yea i love them stupid cheap headphones with -3foot cord

[pulsar fossil]

:D

It takes a while to transfer 45GB data to a new phone for some reason :D

[muted viper]

have you tried MVMe yet??

😄

that might help

(joke)

[pulsar fossil]

OnePlus 7 Pro has UFS 3.0

I believe that's pretty fast

[muted viper]

?

[pulsar fossil]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Flash_Storage

[muted viper]

ahh

ima go play some #488669065229893633

oh

as soon as i resolve this issue

dangit

[dark linden]

At this point I should recover my old build and my old Flux lost in the wild 😛

[muted viper]

?

[muted viper]

my extender thing just stoopped working on the headphones line

good thing the mic line still works

so i can use it

[keen stream]

RAM: 6 GB
GPU: Intel family HD Graphics 4400
CPU: Intel CPU Core i5 1.7Ghz
ROM: 1 Tb

Guys can my laptop run Heroes and generals WWII? if not, what's the best game I can play ?

[muted viper]

wut

[tropic hollow]

tetris

[noble oak]

Intel family HD Graphics 4400

Lol

[ebon owl]

@chilly edge

after almost 3 years of rough use
Getting the 710 really soon

And also behind that is the first Gen of Arctis 7 Black

Specs:
i7 7700
Asus Z270-F Strix
32GB G.SkillTrident Z RGB
1TB HDD
250GB SSD(adata)
Corsair CX750m
SilverStone RL05 Case

Specs soon:
Ryzen 7 2700x
Asus B450-F or X470 Strix
NZXT H700i (BlackRed)
NZXT Kraken X72
NZXT Aer RGB 140mm fans

[muted viper]

nice

you are ditching intel i say "took you long enough"

@ebon owl am i blind or did you not list it

where is the GPU

[chilly edge]

yea

what's the GPU

[muted viper]

im guessing either 2 980's or 1070-1080ti

@chilly edge

[tropic hollow]

wow

[muted viper]

thats what i would pick with that CPU

[tropic hollow]

i9-9900k

rtx2080ti

[muted viper]

what

no

[tropic hollow]

y e s

[muted viper]

my brothers system has some i7

he never told me

which one

all ik is that its 6th gen

pretty good system

[tropic hollow]

kappa

nice

[chilly edge]

so i think htat's either i7 6700k or 6850k or something random like that

[muted viper]

i7 6xxx (i think it was a K sku might be wrong )
32 GB of ram dont know brand or speed
dual GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 980 Windforce 4gb cards
a 120mm aio from cooler master
EVGA SuperNOVA 1000w Watt G2 80+ GOLD Fully Modular
im pretty sure he used the roswill rise fullatx tower
that's all he told me/i was able to gather

[chilly edge]

@muted viper SKU, not Skew

[muted viper]

im stupid

[chilly edge]

no worries

you did the phonetic spelling (what it sounds like)

[muted viper]

that happens alot when your dyslexic 😄

rate his system tho? 😄

[chilly edge]

the processor is a little good, but maybe a little hot

the motherboard is good

he has a crap ton of ram, which is good

[muted viper]

didnt list that

idk what his mobo was

[chilly edge]

wait what am i rating?

[muted viper]

why he got the aio

[chilly edge]

Asus Z270-F Strix

[muted viper]

?

oh

lol

my brothers system 😄

i should have specified

you know that one ```i7 6xxx (i think it was a K sku might be wrong )
32 GB of ram dont know brand or speed
dual GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 980 Windforce 4gb cards
a 120mm aio from cooler master
EVGA SuperNOVA 1000w Watt G2 80+ GOLD Fully Modular
im pretty sure he used the roswill rise fullatx tower
that's all he told me/i was able to gather

assuming it was the most common 6th gen i7

he knows what hes doing so you can assume the guy who picked it has extensive PC building and part picking experience

(prolly built at least 100 gaming PCs in his life)

i think he says around 250 overall

he worked for BRIK computers

well he worked for kirbtech

a local company

[chilly edge]

huh

then it is probably a 6700k, which is great, if a little dated

the amount of RAM is good, intel processors don't benefit a whole lot from faster RAM

[muted viper]

but kirbtech builds PCs under the name BRIK computers

[chilly edge]

the 980 is decent, 980s in SLI will be one hell of an fps pushing force

but probably a bit noisy and eat a bunch of power

[muted viper]

ya

hence the 1000 watt PSU

[chilly edge]

which is why the 1000W PSU is good, but only 80+ gold is a bit disappointing to me

[muted viper]

well

come on

[chilly edge]

the case, i have no bloody clue

and the AIO will be ok

[muted viper]

@chilly edge the case is the cheapest full tower atx case on PCPP

[tropic hollow]

who needs 1000W

[chilly edge]

people running 980s in SLI

and other stuff like that

[muted viper]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/whgnP3 will soon have this pc, i think

[tropic hollow]

that's a nice budget build

[muted viper]

in case your wondering'

i have the CPU 2TB hdd and the PSU already

also have half the ram

[tropic hollow]

ahhh

[muted viper]

thats why i went FX

in the first place

um

whats your budget

woah

thats a decent budget man

oh

yeah thatl be ok then'

HWTA

ok

what*

i thought you meant a hdd over an ssd period 😄

its ok

man i used to be the same

now im only slightly retarded about PC's

woah

[noble oak]

@tropic hollow

[tropic hollow]

uhhh

is there a button

on the headset itself

to toggle mic?

[noble oak]

Yea, it's not muted

Artics 5's

[tropic hollow]

🤔

try toggling it once

maybe it got messed up

[muted viper]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yyKqCb @noble oak quickly thrown together with very little thought

[noble oak]

Nope

Not working

[muted viper]

ask @tropic hollow or @chilly edge

[tropic hollow]

@noble oak Try contacting #official-support

[muted viper]

which moitors?

[tropic hollow]

they'll know best :)

[noble oak]

Eh

[muted viper]

you can throw out the 4TB 5.2k rpm drive

yes

😄

he/she asked for 3TB of storage

ok

well i picked a cheapo case

they are not realy expensive

the case is one of the few things that will not affect performance imo

so normaly for budget builds i pick the cheapest one that looks decent and fits my hardware

i personaly think if your spending less than 1500 on your PC you shouldnt care to much on your aesthetics

hopefully for obvious reasons like.

this

this is some of the more expensive stuff but still

sure this works but just does not have the i-paid-more-than-your-monthly-paycheck-for-this-pc look to it

lol

?

you dont need a $1000 PC to play that game 😄

you could slide with a $250 PC prolly

im sorry

i wrote that poorly

that graphics card should push those frames in most games 😄

decent anyway

im not saying its the best

just pretty good

if you want the best go with on of the 10 or 20 series cards

or the RTX TITAN

only one small problem

the price

2.5x as much as you want to spend on the PC as a whole

haha

well

its the discord i leave open when my mother enters the room

i for one like it that way

ehhh

*keep in mind im 14

whoa

yes

oof

ahh like my friend

he mows a rich guy's lawn

and other stuff

wow

see my mother wont let me work "im to young"

nice

i would recommend you get some peripherals with that PC as well

^about PC

plus the mods are cool

mouse keyboard headset

etc

i for one recommend the rival 310

i would get the apex m500

i have the m400

yes

its not great on the keycaps but the switches be 👌

steelseries

when your as much as a fan as i am you will recognize most SS products just by their #

so around here we say

"310"

rather than rival 310

or m400 rather than apex m400

"broke" as he askes for a guide for a $1000 PC

lol

oof

i have 500-600 but im about to make that close to 0 soon 😄

iv been saving for a while

ya

stops strain on the cord

when you are using it on a desk long enough the desk edge can cut the cord on your mouse a bit

plus it helps with les tangled cord on your desk

ya?

tea 100%

i like it

i just like tea

its 10PM here

so no coffee or tea for me

oh

lol

same

PA gang?

Pennsylvania*

wait

i dont know much about geography is Michigan in PA??

😄

ik that

yes

ik a lot about PC and ART

oh

i dont know much about the junk they teach ya in school

?

idk

😄

they are cool tho 😄

[ebon owl]

@muted viper forgot lmfao

Asus Strix 1060 6GB (OC'd)
Getting a Asus Strix 2080 or MATRIX 2080ti around August or November

[dark linden]

EVGA 2080Ti FTW3...is just better that the Asus Strix. Asus graphics card are overpriced...

[pulsar fossil]

The Model O mouse looks nice

But low weight isn't super important for me

[dark linden]

Here I am...

[pulsar fossil]

The 650 is 121g and that's fine for me :)

[dark linden]

so...I play competitive Overwatch and the Rival series aims to eSports players...

basically that's why I chose the 600...after 7 years of OG Sensei I wanted a fresh new mouse and I was indecided between 3 mice. RJN praised the sensor of the Rival 600 and I immediately bought it...but lot of people tend to buy smaller mice and some tend to buy lighter mice...

in my journey I tried the G Pro, G Pro Wireless, G502, Zowie FK1/2

and lighter is better for endurance when playing competitive...but the shape and the sensor of the Rival are just perfect.

SteelSeries nailed it with the firmware optimizations made to the 3360 to obtain the TrueMove3

so a pure competitive version which takes the best from the FinalMouse Air58 (which is basically the mouse which inspired the Model O) would be an interesting experiment, specially if applied to the wireless one...

[chilly edge]

I hate finalmouse's marketing

their twitter is a mess

[dark linden]

just to grab a solid spot into the eSports segment...honestly Logitech is getting a lot of merit for "nothing"

[pulsar fossil]

You could just go for the Sensei 310 if you prefer that shape

[dark linden]

@chilly edge I hate their whole way of selling stuff...but that mouse seems really good. I honestly will try a Model O to see if lighter than the Rival 600 weight is better for me...but honestly those mice (Zowie FK1 as well) are modified copycats of the original Sensei...

seeing a Sensei and a Rival "Air" edition would be a cool experiment

@pulsar fossil I prefer the Rival 600/650 shape because I need those extra mm in height for the sake of my wrist 😛 But a lighter version would be cool...

I mean...honestly everything is perfect in the Rival 600...just a better glueing for the side grips and the removal of some weight are the only needed upgrades in that mouse

I would buy another one if they do it 😂

ah! Are there any news about the keyboards wrist rests and the pop filters for the Arctis Pro

they used to be sold...but now they seem to be out of commerce

I tried some cheap pop filters on my Arctis 3 (before buying the Arctis Pro) and they were getting weird and sticky just with the heat of my breath...

:/

while the one with my Arctis Pro is just perfect

I am already in a crisis for when will be time to change it! XD

[muted viper]

@tropic hollow https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YL66GG i made a small modification bsc i realized ddr 3 is not gonna be the best option

[turbid hearth]

I thought i'd share that my pc is pretty new, only built at the start of this year.
Specs:
-2nd hand Athlon x2 650
-2nd hand GTX 970 ,
-1tb harddrive
_idk what motherboard, but it's a Cosair

4gb of ram

[chilly edge]

Corsair motherboard? Uhh. And Athlon isn't great

[noble oak]

@dark linden good thing about is it comes near perfect out of the box

steelseries on the other hand...

garbage mouse feet
and the cable needs to be modded also

[muted viper]

wat

i understand the cable

but garbage feet?

[celest schooner]

@noble oak yea. agreed on the cable

but the side grip and feet are perfect for me. nothing bad about them

[chilly edge]

The mouse feet have been fine on my qcks

[noble oak]

@muted viper yeah

[muted viper]

well they are designed to be used on QCK surfaces

@chilly edge

[fiery monolith]

I use a uh Raxer Basilik, cause ima loozer >:)

[chilly edge]

The only reason I'd touch a razer product

Is to harvest razer switches from a dead keyboard

[fiery monolith]

Lmao 😂

The basilik just fits my hand right. As much as i wanna buy a SS mouse, it just doesnt feel right

[chilly edge]

And that's completely fine and reasonable

[noble oak]

other than the cable and plastic mouse feet my rival 106 has been perfect

[proven kiln]

which better for gaming ?
dell s2417dg
or
asus vg258qr

[chilly edge]

i know those are monitors

but nothin about those monitors

[muted viper]

pcpp or manufacturer website links ?? @proven kiln

[proven kiln]

https://www.asus.com/Monitors/VG258QR/

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-24-gaming-monitor-s2417dg/apd/210-aizs/monitors-monitor-accessories

@muted viper

[muted viper]

@chilly edge

you know more than i

[proven kiln]

well, dell got 1440p and ips and 2016 product, but in the other side asus got 165hz with 0.5ms responses time 🤔

[chilly edge]

honestly, it just depends what resolution you want to play at I think

[proven kiln]

is 165hz is a big difference from 144hz

1080p is ok but 1440p is a + for that

and by product quality, is asus better than dell ?

[dark linden]

@noble oak the feet on the 600 are different...and are not garbage. The cable on the 600 is modular and soft rubberized...so it doesn't stick on the mousepad while being flexible.

Honestly is not garbage at all...

even the grips are fine on my mice (until now) and the Sensei I owned before is still the benchmark for many mice on the market...

The Model O has the paracord which pops off the mouse and feet which have been criticized by every reviewer...plus sticky left clicks after 5 days of usage...

And you can find easily the literature online...and this is because when you mass produce something not everything comes perfect

Logitech G Pro Wireless? Broken clicks and horizontal flex.
Razer Mamba? Weird lift off behaviour and horrible drivers.
FinalMouse? Lots of broken left clicks

and we can go on all day...

[noble oak]

@dark linden my bad then i havent heard the feet being bad because i honestly didnt watch that many reviews on it
but on my rival 100 rival 300s and rival 106 ive had to replace the feet everytime so i just assumed they're bad on every mice ss has
have you tried teflon mousefeet though?

[muted viper]

@noble oak its on the way

[dark linden]

@noble oak yes I did, when I almost destroyed the feet in my Sensei i replaced them with teflon ones for the last two years of its life. The Rival 600 has perfect feet for the QCK+ that I currently use, never a block and never a stitch. If teflon is better doesn't mean that the actual ones are garbage, are just perfectly fine for SS mouse surfaces. They're a company and they tend to make you buy only official accessories/parts when possible because is the main interest of the business. There's nothing wrong with that.
Also teflon needs to be smoothened before becoming usable, my 600 was fine just out of the box.

[pulsar fossil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiLVZje9_nE

[noble oak]

and now somehow remove the glossy finish <3

[chilly edge]

uhhh

you can always try gently sand down the glossy coating

[noble oak]

@chilly edge yeah ill prolly visit a store and buy like 7k grit sandpaper or something

[muted viper]

It's Here YAY!!!!

now i cant wait for the rest of the parts

[chilly edge]

ooooo

[muted viper]

nice?

[noble oak]

yah

feels 100 times better now

[muted viper]

oh

i thought you had messed it up

well i swear if steelseries makes me sand my mouse to get a matte mouse then im leaving

[noble oak]

lmao

lets hope theyll make matter version too >P

[muted viper]

im fine with the 310 tho

and its matte

[noble oak]

ye it has a good texture

[muted viper]

so isa that the 103

[noble oak]

rival 106

[muted viper]

oh

[muted viper]

im confused

[noble oak]

heres the original glossy finish

[muted viper]

i dont like that

it would hinde grip in some ways to

[naive dune]

Anyone know a good keyboard (preferably mechanical and spill resistant) that is a good alternative for the Apex M750?

[muted viper]

how much again?

[naive dune]

I mean 120$ like the Apex M750 is my range

[muted viper]

oh

ducky makes good keyboards

[naive dune]

Could I get a link to the website?

[muted viper]

yep

[chilly edge]

It's better to buy from Resellers

like MechanicalKeyboard.com or Overclockers.co.uk

[muted viper]

yes

i sent him that

not their site

[jagged sinew]

@chilly edge if I place it there, was my thought

[chilly edge]

that'd probably have to be a tiny battery

[jagged sinew]

Yeah probs

[tight phoenix]

What is the best setting equalizer for r6 i have the artics 5

[muted viper]

better picture of my CPU

lol

when i unbox it ill drop some kind of macro shot prolly

of the actual cpu

[naive dune]

Should I get a “renewed” keyboard on amazon? It is WAAAY cheaper than getting it new.

[noble oak]

if it has good warranty then yeah

[covert forum]

first build

[chilly edge]

what's that case?

[naive dune]

@noble oak it has amazon warranty

[frank hatch]

does anyone here uses the stream mix of the GameDAC?

[covert forum]

@chilly edge it’s a corsair 570x

i’ve had to return the h115i cooler tho and buy a h150 because the 280mm isn’t compatible

[pulsar fossil]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14402/intel-announces-5-ghz-all-core-turbo-cpu

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-adventure-time-jake-interesting-gif-6111189

[boreal willow]

Yo can anyone send a closeup pic of the steelseries qck mousepad?, I just want to see it’s texture to see if mine’s original.

[tropic hollow]

@boreal willow wym original

[boreal willow]

Original mousepad, like the ones steelseries produces, cause I got mine from a reseller.

[tropic hollow]

I don't think anyone has the audacity to make a fake mousepad

it's not like the QcK series is outrageously expensive and would warrant the production of a cheaper one

[pulsar fossil]

Any thoughts on that build?

I'm super tempted :D

Where you at @chilly edge? :P

[chilly edge]

Not sure about the pricing because i don't speak Krona, but those are good specs.

The GPU is beefy, the motherboard is fine

[pulsar fossil]

Anything you'd change?

[chilly edge]

uhh personally i think i'd end up going for a Gigabyte or AsRock motherboard as just pure preference

and probably with a Dark Rock Pro 4 or something

although i'm not sure how well it'd cool the 9900k

[pulsar fossil]

Thanks

[boreal willow]

@pulsar fossil you sure you can’t just buy parts and build a pc?, it’ll save you some money

[noble oak]

ye and that new amd stuff coming in soon

[boreal willow]

Also, no need to buy another 16gigs of ram, 16gigs in total is more than enough.

[pulsar fossil]

The PC won't just be used for gaming, I'll also be using it for heavy video editing, streaming and other stuff @boreal willow

So 32GB makes sense for me :)

But yeah, I could build it myself

That's also a possibility

[noble oak]

then i think the new upcoming amd cpus would fit you more imo

[boreal willow]

Yeah, just build it yourself tbh.

[pulsar fossil]

Or the new 9900KS or whatever it's called

[boreal willow]

Amd’s new cpus are coming out

[noble oak]

https://www.amd.com/en/product/8436

[boreal willow]

KS will be hella expensive

[pulsar fossil]

Well it's Intel, so it's obviously expensive

[dusky iris]

Hi my name is Dashie and I have a problem

[pulsar fossil]

That is truly a first world problem

[dusky iris]

I got to up my game and get a 5th mouse

[winged parrot]

@pulsar fossil i love that howling dawn mouse

where'd u get it

[chilly edge]

it's a Limited Edition Rival310 off the SteelSeries website

thoguh i think you can get it off amazon

https://steelseries.com/gaming-mice/rival-310-howl

[noble oak]

d:

[pulsar fossil]

@winged parrot it is pretty awesome. We have the howl mouse pad as well :)

[winged parrot]

Oo noice

[noble oak]

x)

[muted viper]

why

@noble oak you ruined the mouse

[noble oak]

wdym

@muted viper

[muted viper]

why is the cable like that

[noble oak]

i fixed the cable duh?

[muted viper]

oh

[noble oak]

lot less drag than with the rubber casing and the metal shielding

also more flexible

[muted viper]

ok

[gleaming prairie]

rate the setup (shitty image)

Headset: arctis 5

Keyboard: apex m750

Mice: logitech g502 and rival 600

Mousepad: prism cloth XL

Speakers: logitech z213 with sub

[tropic hollow]

That's quite the setup!

[gleaming prairie]

ye ikr

absolutly love the steelseries stuff (so much RGB)

[tropic hollow]

^ right now

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/488392459408244737/536957288242479132/unknown.png

3 months ago

usually use the m750 but for now switched out for another

excuse all the crap on my desk

[naive dune]

@tropic hollow I have a question, its about the arctis + gamedac

[tropic hollow]

@naive dune Might wanna ask it in #💬-general or for a quick response hit up #official-support !!

[naive dune]

oh

[tropic hollow]

general will be community input :)

[chilly edge]

@gleaming prairie are those pudding keycaps?

Not my type of thing

[gleaming prairie]

yes

they are nice but are VERY flashy

[slim vessel]

Me poor. 😔

[quick roost]

Yesterday I got this new gear for gaming, #Apex_M750_TKL_PUBG, #RIVAL_710 and #QCK_PRISM_CLOTH_XL. My gaming experience has totally changed with this. Love this products. 👌

Sorry for the darkness hehehe

[tropic hollow]

without the dark we wouldn't be able to see the sexy rgb

[humble rampart]

@quick roost grats with all the new gear 👌 👌

[quick roost]

Thanks @humble rampart I just started last night to play #Call_of_Duty_WWII and now I can aim so smooth and the coolest thing is the RGB patrons hahaha. I don't know if I can upload a video here so you can see the RGB

[muted viper]

well hold on now,

what are these?

[noble oak]

why is that 200$ ._.

[dark linden]

@muted viper those are the new keyboard lineup from SteelSeries

@noble oak analog/magnetic key switches with adjustable actuation point...basically the first in the world (if we do not consider the FlareTech from Wooting which are optical).

They're made in collaboration with Gateron which already made some analog/optical switches back in 2017

@humble rampart will it be possible to setup multiple keystrokes like on the Wooting keyboards? There are any plans for releasing a firmware to do it or is something not even discussed at the moment?

P.s. release date? 😛

[humble rampart]

can you give me an example of what you mean by multiple keystrokes?

isn't that just a macro?

@dark linden

and for release I believe we're looking at the week of june 17 in terms of availability on steelseries.com. Just be sure to sign up for that notify me and you'll be the first to know

can*t take pre-orders unfortunately

[dark linden]

basically you can set from the firmware multiple actuation points at the same time and trigger different actions with the same key

[humble rampart]

ah

wow you gotta have some next level keypress control for that

[dark linden]

so if i press down to 0.6mm i do something, if I press more i give another input

[humble rampart]

let me check

looking good with that longsleeve btw!

[dark linden]

well, it's something doable with analog technology, even if it's not available now could always be an idea for the future! Or for simulating analog sticks in games like Rocket League which benefit of full analog input (even if honestly there's always a controller for that 😛 )

Thanks!

June 17?! Sheep...I have to wait the end of July in order to get one, the reviews will kill me in Hype! 😹

[humble rampart]

😉

i'll get back to you reg. programming keystrokes at different actuation points

waiting for engineers to wake up in chicago

[chilly edge]

@noble oak $200 is too much for you?

can't wait until you see some of the custom stuff

[noble oak]

no im just curious
cus mine cost 40€ @chilly edge

[chilly edge]

Custom keyboards can easily clear $600

[quick roost]

@dark linden Those Keyboards looks great, but unfortunately I already spend a lot of money on the kit, a little bit late for me hahahaha, maybe in the future, but they look great. i wish to have enough money for buying both hahahha

[tropic hollow]

av @dark linden

[mystic folio]

Or1on#6753

Avatar

[tropic hollow]

Noice!!

looking good bro

[dark linden]

What's happening with my avatar? 😛

@quick roost "unfortunately" I work and my wage is good enough to make me burn money on my setup really often...but I completely feel you, I'm sure that there will be something cool and flashy when you'll be ready to buy again! 😃

@noble oak I know a guy which hand-build keyboards for 1500$ each...he basically wants you to send him the components, how do you want the switch to be modded and he makes the magic and the ships the keyboard back to you. Honestly, if there's the build quality and the perk I am keen to spend 200$ on a piece of kit...but I also understand who can't. The good thing is that there are ~13 keyboards in the SteelSeries lineup, from 59$ up to 200$...so if you like the design and the brand, you can buy one fitting your budget. 😛

[quick roost]

@dark linden hahahaha. It's NUTSSSSSSSS wow I can't spend $1500 in a keyboard, at least it should bring me the dinner to my room hahahahahaha. But it's great what that guy does. Anyhow, I think that $150 should be good for a keyboard, as people said "You get what you paid for"

[chilly edge]

And from 70-300 there's a bunch of customs from China, or just prebuilts

[dark linden]

Yeah...honestly I bought my Apex M750 from Curry's PC World here in UK...was on sale for £99

[quick roost]

@dark linden I know that you must have a nice work, I'm glad for you, but here is the thing. I'm a computer Engineer and musician, so, I should be earning a lot of money because also I work with cloud computing systems, that is good payed but the problem is that I live in Cuba so I should be wining like $4000 at least per month, but what I'm wining actually is like $40 every month, hahahahah IT'S NUUUTSSSSSS

[dark linden]

but now I think I won't wait for a discount for the Apex Pro...too much hype... 😛

[quick roost]

here is something funny, my gears cost me with the #SteelSeries discount of 10% $260, I had to save the money for 8 months to get them hahahaha

[dark linden]

Jeez...and I thought I needed to go away from Italy because the pay was unfair...

[quick roost]

hahahahahahhahahhahhahahah

No here is worst hahahahahhaah

[dark linden]

well...actually compared to UK and some other countries is really unfair... 😛

I am an app developer btw

and I hope to move back to 3D engines and better stuff

[quick roost]

of course it is, but i can't do anything to improve it hahaha, my only escape is to mount a private network at home with my personal servers and start to deploy services to the people, and for gaming to Set up the servers for, Call of Duty, Battlefield, etc that I have, YES I don't have to pay for them hahahahaha, here that is not a problem hhaha

[dark linden]

lol

[quick roost]

but hey we spend a lot of time playing jaja

[muted viper]

@dark linden The good thing is that there are ~13 keyboards in the SteelSeries lineup, from 59$ up to 200$ they replaced the 50USD mechanical one with a 30USD membrane one then drove up the price to 50USD (or so) 😦

wich realy annoys me

@dark linden you are an app developer?? i must have been wrong about your age then 😄

[dark linden]

Do you think I am 15? Not all of the fanboys are under 30... 😛

@muted viper yeah...the Apex 500 with CherryMX was a good value for the money and that sort of hybrid switches doesn't seem to be a big deal for 59$...but I think you pay the R&D and the marketing which obviously tries to give more value to the mechanical models...

[muted viper]

no im talking about the m400 @dark linden

it was 50USD and had some knok off cherry mx switches

also 15 was my estimate 😄

[south valve]

check the dials, on the right

maybe you can find something similar to the thing

@dawn fern

[somber frigate]

and krunker.io

[humble rampart]

@dark linden heard back from engineers reg. programming keystrokes at different actuation points. We won’t support it at launch, however there’s a likelihood of that being enabled later via an update

[dark linden]

@humble rampart those are the words I was looking for!

@muted viper I look younger....but unfortunately I'll turn 30 next October...

[muted viper]

wow

i was born in october

[dark linden]

lol

[somber frigate]

thats how you measure grip width @dark linden

[dark linden]

I posted the sizes...

I just call is mouse width...as it's called on the website 😹

back in 98 we used more barebone terms

😛

honestly...I've never called it grip-width, even if the name makes sense...now I know something new 😃

[somber frigate]

lol nice

[naive dune]

Guess what arrive earlier than expected?!?!

[tropic hollow]

@naive dune Noice! congrats bro

[naive dune]

thanks!

lmao im having trouble putting on the stand

the things that raise the keyboard a little more

ok i got them on!

Wow such a light actuation

xD

[naive dune]

@rich obsidian @tropic hollow what do you think?

[tropic hollow]

@Calciferol#9909 The ones on the bottom?

I had trouble too

figured it out

[naive dune]

???

[tropic hollow]

looks good!

[naive dune]

Wdym the ones on the bottom

[tropic hollow]

the little packet that comess w/ the kb

the things that go on the bottom

[naive dune]

OH

[tropic hollow]

those are hard to get on

[naive dune]

yeah i got them on lol

[tropic hollow]

nice mouse :D

[naive dune]

yee

[tropic hollow]

i believe @wispy halo has the same fan on the bottom of the laptop

[naive dune]

i have a full steelseries setup

[tropic hollow]

noicce

[naive dune]

btw

What do the orange ones do (that arent the brightness?)

[rich obsidian]

looking nice

the other ones are the media keys

play/pause/etc

[fast jewel]

@naive dune The little ixons below tell you what they do

[dark linden]

@naive dune welcome to the club! 😄

[naive dune]

yee

thx

[boreal willow]

@naive dune I see what you did with the tissue there 😏

[naive dune]

what

OH NO

@boreal willow no absolutely not

[muted viper]

well hold on just a second,

[fiery monolith]

I saw^ very good video. The keyboard looks amazing. Sadly my Apex M750 is too new to just replace

[naive dune]

my apex JUST arrived today lol

[noble oak]

oh nice those switches are made with partnership with gaterons

[south valve]

https://www.blurbusters.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/2000hz-mice-needed-690x600.png
cant post in #💬-general so here it goes

[noble oak]

what..

[chilly edge]

Pretty sure 1000Hz is a Physical limitation

And anything above it is software heebie jeebie

[noble oak]

some mice have been ocd to 2000hz but dont remember which ones and if it even works

it was asus something at least

Asus rog gladius

[chilly edge]

2000Hz software stuff can negatively affect the performance, I think

2000Hz software stuff can negatively affect the performance, I think

[dark linden]

I want to make 2 considerations:

• 2000Hz polling benefit is negligible to the human eye while playing, we are going in the sub-1ms latency and the typical 240Hz monitor still adds more latency to the chain and suffers of more important strutters caused by the rendering itself (like non optimal frame-time which still happens even with older and competitive games)
• If the sensor does not support natively the 2000Hz frequency, simply OC-ing the sensor will cause many more issues to the rest of the firmware and to the reliability of the sensor itself (like interferences caused by electrical noise and overheating)

So at the time being, until there's some proper hw-tested support is pretty gimmicky because the cons are much more higher than the pros...

That's what I think...I also think that if some sensor would reliably work at that polling rate most of the major gaming-focused company would already pulled a £169 mouse out there featuring that sensor...

[tropic hollow]

rate this setup

[chilly edge]

Bad piece of modern art.

[boreal haven]

Omg send me that

[clever dagger]

You know it just hit me, I don't think I've linked up my build here. My monitors are mounted on a VIVO mount, which I don't have linked here, but this is what I'm rocking now (I don't have my SteelSeries mouse pad here because that seems silly, but NATURALLY I would have that too) https://pcpartpicker.com/user/startrekkie1701/saved/VjWFt6

[pulsar fossil]

Nice build :)

[clever dagger]

Thanks. Obviously SteelSeries is the biggest part of it

[pulsar fossil]

[chilly edge]

The parts list is private, so we can't see it

[dark linden]

@tropic hollow that build hurts...and badly...😭

[covert forum]

finished build

😁 also a pg279q from asus on the way

[turbid hearth]

Lookin lit 👍

PC must’ve costed you quite a bit by the looks of it

[winged parrot]

Its nice

The keyboard is so far left

[woeful bane]

This is my build https://pcpartpicker.com/user/IcedWolf/saved/#view=sFYdmG and i have the Anne Pro II
as my keyboard

[chilly edge]

SFX power supply is interesting

and A320 motherboard is not good

[covert forum]

@winged parrot yeah but i was doing art homework at the time. when i’m playing i usually move my keyboard further to the right

and i bring it a lot closer to me

[bright delta]

Any ideas? Or does my laptop need to go in the bin😂

[chilly edge]

Have you tried resetting the screen with a hammer?

[somber frigate]

try re-establishing the magnet inside the laptop with a metal hammer

https://youtu.be /cuDsBE16brA

that video is a good tutorial ^^

[chilly edge]

watch?v=cuDsBE16brA

i think

either way, you can DM them the link

[somber frigate]

that without the space

i dunno if i'll get striked for that link

better not see

[bright delta]

I'll have a look into it, thanks for the help😅😉

[fast jewel]

woooooooosh

[dark linden]

@bright delta how much is the graphics card hot?

[dark linden]

Stupid question...is the standalone GAME DAC the same which ships with the Arctis Pro? Is the only difference the 3.5mm adapter that now is sold as accessory on the store?

[humble rampart]

Same exact Game Dac yes :)

[bright delta]

@dark linden probably alot

It's 7 years old now and apart from a HD upgrade 2 years ago, some extra ram and a dust, I've not touched it really

Probably need to take it apart and reapply the thermal paste

[dark linden]

@bright delta yeah...usually you get those artifacts either from a bad driver or a voltage issue on the GPU Core.
If the voltage is too high the GPU doesn`t work well (overclock/voltage curve changed from the user/thermal protection removed from the driver/wrong driver installed)...or it might be that the voltage is right but becomes too high to sustain because the thermal compound on the GPU is literally gone, so you rich too much high temperatures.

@humble rampart thanks! 😃

[bright delta]

@dark linden I've also probably dropped it a few times over the years too so that won't help 😂

[south valve]

probably one of the ways of checking if shit is dead by just flexing the parts around (violently shaking the laptop aint exactly it, but just tilting it and moving it and seeing if the picture changes) it could also be a loose/damaged ribbon cable.

[pulsar fossil]

https://youtu.be/wl4Hg23RQHQ

Damn, that's a lot of power

[noble oak]

plot twist

constantly at 99c

[muted viper]

gee thats nice

[chilly edge]

Imma be real here

the best part about the new stuff is the voice over in that video

[noble oak]

real like this?

[muted viper]

you know what

[south valve]

1400w PSU

hahahahaha

[naive dune]

A whole grand for a stand?

[noble oak]

its worth it

[south valve]

reminds me of...

[muted viper]

how much is this thing 10,000USD?

[noble oak]

around that im sure

the intel cpu alone could be 2-5grand

[muted viper]

wow

😄

[south valve]

uhhh reminds me of... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7epu4oEQVR4

[muted viper]

GPU be like ...

[chilly edge]

oh also it had to be an Intel CPU

and i'm not sure about the lack of fans on the GPUs and stuff

[south valve]

its gonna be a meme, if they have a custom ASIC card, it must be like near RED HW accelerator price

[noble oak]

yeah i bet they have some special agreement with shintel

[fast jewel]

uuuuughhhhhhhh no apple

just no

[south valve]

@noble oak doubt, cuz they include a vega card in it, but thats my observation

custom mobo, custom ASIC, 4 way crossfire and a beefy air cooler.

[noble oak]

easily 20k

[south valve]

Scratchpaper maths be hard here now :
My estimate would be : mobo around 450 to 400, asic around 1k per piece or 3.5k, 4 way crossfire (each costing around... 350 per pop, so 1.2 to 1.7k) and a cooler that would be around 100 or up to 150 dollarydoos.
Round up : 450(mobo) + 2500(ASIC) + 1700(GPU) +150(cooler) = 4.8k, w/o apple tax. (w/ apple tax, it would be 5.2k to break it even, in a case of total failure)
(forgot ram, it would be around 3480 euros for the 768 gb of ram, OR full 6.9(6960)k for 1.5tb ECC ram setup)
PSU costs retail around 450 euros, so 50 euro markup would be generous from apple, so...
Real price of components would be around 7.5~8k or the low low price of 8k if apple is generous, OR 9k and make it even, 8k footage, 9k price tag.

i counted in the ram and the psu.

max amount or half of it, (did the math for both) and its lookin like a mad cash grab

[dark linden]

The 6000$ base model has no ASIC...

and the base GPU is a Radeon Pro 580X (Polaris 2)

[south valve]

hold up

i aint done

[dark linden]

256GB SSD and 32GB RAM complete the shit 😂

and honestly a Threadripper maybe does better than that Intel WX chip

[south valve]

doubt, cuz if you lookin for single threaded applications, then intel is the way to go.

who wants a 8~9k HEDT from Apple?

[tropic hollow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl4Hg23RQHQ&feature=youtu.be

[south valve]

@tropic hollow i did the scratch paper math above, worth lookin into

[tropic hollow]

maxxed

or

[south valve]

semi, ram is struggling atm

[tropic hollow]

mm

1,15tb

xd

18 cores

[south valve]

1500w psu hahahhaa

[tropic hollow]

lul i wanna see the math for max spec

[south valve]

they want the 480 memes to come back

[tropic hollow]

looll

[south valve]

9k ish?

maybe 10k

[tropic hollow]

more

[south valve]

i dont know apple tax well enough

nah

[tropic hollow]

:P

1tb ram

is

10k

?

[south valve]

you mean the 192gb ram?

did i miss something and not see the 1tb ram?

1.5 tb of ram

lemme see.

there are only 6 channels right?

like 6 slots or is it 12 slot mobo?

[tropic hollow]

wait no i screwed something up there

not 1tb ram

[south valve]

no no

[tropic hollow]

i dont think

[south valve]

i heard right, its 1.5 tb of ram

1:15

12 dimm slots

[tropic hollow]

12 physical DIMM slots

yeah

[south valve]

SEC

gotta redo the numbers

lmao, the ram costs 1:1 to bare metal parts

:D

[tropic hollow]

1tb ram

so much

[south valve]

12k full setup (12210) looking from the bare metal parts

[tropic hollow]

wait

incl monitor

??

[south valve]

no

just the parts

[tropic hollow]

oh

nvm then

[south valve]

i didnt add the cpu

[tropic hollow]

ah

[south valve]

even more calculations :D

8.7k w/o cpu, getting 6 DIMM slots covered with 128gb ECC ram (bare metal parts)

3k for the... W-3175X (retail price)

[chilly edge]

I would much rather get a custom Threadripper PC

[south valve]

15k for the fully decked out apple setup -> W-3175X, 1.5tb ram, no storage, 4x crossfire amd VII's, 1500w psu, cooler

thats just the bare metal parts.

i highly doubt that someone would actually want it fully decked out

@chilly edge if you would do a similar setup, you would save up to 1.5k, combined

its a truly extreme setup, but... its stupid powerful

20k or 20 some odd buckaros for an apple desktop (if they double down on it)

[fast jewel]

what was that announced on

[plucky schooner]

i need a pc 😦

[muted viper]

oh

[prime kite]

??????????

Specs

[chilly edge]

I don't like chillblast

Overpriced

[noble oak]

5year warranty doe hmm

[toxic raft]

@noble oak has been warned

reason: Posted an invite

[fiery monolith]

Payin a good $500 USD on that samsung 2tb m.2 i would think

[dark linden]

Do it by yourself! 🚀

[muted viper]

yes

build it yourself

[muted viper]

me

ohhh

no

im timmy

@noble oak

i just realy like SirKaiwade#1714

one of the moderators*

it was a joke thjought up in the csgo chat

[dark linden]

lols

[muted viper]

yes

there was some confusion with UPS but the GPU MOBO and ram should arrive either today or tomorrow

then i will build the PC 😄

i have the CPU PSU SSD case etc

yes it is sorta

[chilly edge]

that's good

framerate here we come

[muted viper]

r5 1600 radeon rx 580 8GB 16GB ddr4 3000Mhz 😄

[chilly edge]

yeah, that's good

i'd try OC the ram to 3200Mhz though

[muted viper]

yes Pachimaniac framerates here we come if the ram even works with ryzen

its team

[chilly edge]

the ram will work

RAM with Ryzen is a bit of a non-issue

[muted viper]

well amd is a pain with ram

*iv heard

[chilly edge]

It's been fine with me

[muted viper]

https://www.outletpc.com/zw8753-team-tlgd416g3000hc16cdc01-tforce-vulcan-16gb-2-x.html

this is the kit i got

[chilly edge]

should be good to go

[noble oak]

pretty good steal

[muted viper]

what?

i dont think i got it at the sale price

😦

[noble oak]

oh rip

[muted viper]

i got it for like 70USD like 2 weeks ago

so i got it on sale

but not that sale

[noble oak]

ye only couple bucks difference

good price

[muted viper]

i think

wait

@noble oak i thought you had a pretty good system?

must be confusing you with someone else

ok yep 😄

[serene forum]

not the best pic but

finally got the money to build a new build a bit ago, but finally upgraded from.stock cooler and.stock.fan

[devout ruin]

Guess how much did i pay for it

[noble oak]

500

[devout ruin]

Nice guess @noble oak but it 100 euro cheaper

[noble oak]

i was being gentle

xD

but good price

[devout ruin]

It gonna be like 1000 in a year becuz imma improve that thing

[noble oak]

Its gonna be awesome year to upgrade too!

[turbid hearth]

I payed about $12279 for mine

*₽

Rubles

[boreal willow]

[muted viper]

many stressful hours later the PC turns on and none of the error lights turn on tomorrow i test if it posts

[chilly edge]

All i'll say

is try and make sure that the power supply cables are properly plugged in

because when my PC wouldn't post, it was always because of loose cables

[muted viper]

it posted @chilly edge

now the only problem is i accidentally booted to freenass on my hdd

and it reformatted the ssd to a format windows installer doesn't like

[hasty nebula]

cable salad

[muted viper]

ayy

i finaly feel a bit better about my pc @hasty nebula , no offence

but sadly

i dont have a window so cable management only afects airflow in my case 😦

[hasty nebula]

yeah that case doesn't have any cable management stuff in it so it looks a bit of a mess

personally I don't mind that much

[muted viper]

yeah

mine did have cable management stuff but i almost broke the 120 usd mobo i put in in trying to cable manage (i finished building it this morning)

@hasty nebula

[covert forum]

yo guys i was thinking about overclocking my gpu which is an asus rog strix 2080ti oc, do any of u know around how high people overclock it too

first time overclocking a gpu

[muted viper]

2 words @covert forum

silicone lottery!!

[covert forum]

ah okay i see

thanks

so i guess i just slowly increase the clock speed bit by bit and when theres like lag or benchmark crashes then ik ive gone too high

[chilly edge]

yep

That's the method

[muted viper]

finaly got windows on it

• all the drivers i can think of

[muted viper]

it has been done

typing this message from my new PC

[pulsar fossil]

Nice. Congrats

[muted viper]

thank you

[muted viper]

ahh yes the feeling of joy

[muted viper]

it has arrived

[pulsar fossil]

@muted viper why dont you just activate?

[tropic hollow]

@pulsar fossil does it cost money?

[muted viper]

^

@pulsar fossil @tropic hollow i dont have the money and im not buying grey market keys

[fast jewel]

honestly its not worth the hassle

its a watermark and a few personalization things. i could care less as could a lot of people

[muted viper]

yep

[fiery monolith]

I bought a Windows key off of EBay for I think $5? I was pretty sure I got ripped off, as soon as the money left my account, he changed it to "No more left". And didnt respond for about 3 days. Then he randomly emailed me a key, and it worked 😄

[tropic notch]

Maycop