#๐ป-building-a-pc
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@fiery monolith when they say the grave accent i think they are referring to the back tick
nice
Back tick?
the one that you hold shift and click the tilde @fiery monolith
hmm
its called a back tick in america
???
`
i never call it that
mm
and im american
What do you call it?
idk
i just call it "they key below escape" lol
same
kek
i generaly think of it as the console key
true that
like this
yes
less of pc build, and more of over all set up, finally upgraded from my old i7 to a ryzen 7 processor :]
Also those hats fell like. 3 hrs after i took the pic
nice
wut
how is an i7 old
ye
i owned a first gen i7
though since gen 6, it's mostly been incremental improvements
it was a "fun" experience
AMD is rad
unfortunate that the 1600x didnt come with a cooler
had to buy one
fortunately the Wraith MAX cooler was only ยฃ20
absolute pain to install though
um y u no custom water cool? #enthusiast ๐
am pleb FeelsBadMan
high maintenance though
i'll probably stick wiht air cooling
or AIO
ya i would love custom water cooling ๐
but i would be the guy that uses softline tubes ๐
lol i cant afford anything
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meanwhile:
windows has been deactivated due to an unidentified object in the fan
oh yeah the same thing happened to me btw
how small is your eyeball?
i got this nice new 12,000RPM fan from Roswell
i heard this noise like something had hit it
and that's why my nephew is missing a pinky
@fast jewel
also i still use prebuilt fans
that was a joke in case you didn't catch it
my gpu fell out twice in the past year and i didnt even know that was possible but ok
and no, I am actually not the cause this time
did you break the clip
?
i mean that happened to me once
what mobo do you have @fast jewel ?
i honestly dont know what happened
i've got the one that came with my pc lol
hang on
prebuilt?
nOpe
lol
well my one board has problems caused by static electricity
isnt that normal
(gigabyte i think)
see working with >10 year old parts isnt good for me lol
ah
see i dont know if its worth trying to upgrade this pc anymore (bottleneck is c r a z y) or if i should just start over
and then i dunno if i should get a tower AND a laptop or just a high end laptop
FX 8350e i think was the one
the other was a11 (amd) i think
can you guess which one is the "server"
uh i dunno
and wich ones the media PC
i dont know much about cpus
a11= not great
ah ok
the main thing i know is core 2 quad = not terrible but actually pretty horrible
then i know the naming things for intel and amd's high end cpus
then i know some stuff about ARM
yes
i dont know its spec
exactly
while the FX one (i cant remember the model #) is an "8-core" gaming CPU
i've got a core 2 quad q9400 :)
i have this cheap drone and even that has a more powerful processor than this lmao
ok my entire computer is worth $75 why would i buy just my cpu for $208??
lol
wait you want to upgrade?
how much ram?
these are my laptops biggest weaknesses
@chilly edge
laptop CPUs
yup
lol
i've got a pentium in my laptop
cant remember model tho
it's dual core with 4 threads and runs 2.2ghz iirc
cursed images
what
it used to pull up some website wqhere it was like $40000
noice
would not buy
ebay
get better stuff cheap
but thats a decent price for it new
also i would add a 1TB HDD
(but idk if ppl need that much storage)
im into video production which takes a tad bit more storage than the standard person ||(sarcasm)||
lol i think i'm good on storage
how much you have?
52000 RPM no doubt
lol i've got no clue
oh
the ones in K are decent
some samsung somethingorother ssd's
1tb each set up as RAID 5 iirc
so theoretically i can have up to 4tb there
what
i was gonna say
yeah lol
if you have the $$ to throw around for 2 1TB ssds thenn
nah that's 4 lol
and then C is where my files and stuff are
then E is the ssd that i boot from
n i c e
then there is my 2 TB one in my "server"
i still have all my windows files on C:\ that aren't used at all so I can probably free up quite a bit
i honestly dont know
it runs fairly decently but it gets weird sometimes
takes about 30mins from boot to get to where I can open things
then it gets slow if i dont reboot weekly or so, but that should be done anyway
and strangely, win7 was even slower
FX "6 core"
GTX 550ti
asus MOBO
600? watt corsair PSU
250 GB HDD
best system ever
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lol
so i have a 1000 watt psu and my gpu is still showing underpowered but
dont ask why because i dont know
(but who am i to judge im just some rando 14 year old that has been known to be incorrect before)...
wait can i see what my psu is in msinfo32 or something
ah ok
i know my PSU is a corsair RM750x White
lol i honestly cant remember half the stuff i put in here
i'll have to look at it again later
sometimes it takes a tad bit of thought tho
I'm still low-key pissed off about the cables
hmmm i wonder why its called cx550m????
because
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that's how much money it costs
lol
550 power supply coins
lol
and for the same reason, higher number power supplies cost more power supply coins
the cheaperthe PSU the better
hells yea
did you guys see the one roblox did?
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lol
zzzz
?
ty
must be European
back in 5
?
aight im back
ah
@muted viper
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yeah lmao, faze is sponsored by steelseries
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@tropic hollow
Epic games store no one likes it
It's Chinese spyware
Owned over 70% by a Chinese data mining cooperation owned by the gov
@noble oak actually, Tencent owns 40% of Epic Games. If EGS was Spyware then someone would have exposed it by now. It's not spyware.
You have no idea how much information there is
I do
There's absolutely problems with EGS
But calling it spyware is factually incorrect
It is spyware
Why?
some of the stuff is weird
That's pretty old and have been fixed
like i have a reddit post here, not sure if i can post the link though
It hasn't
No data was sent
Yes there was
Where's the proof?
Doesn't it just track usage of the client?
no idea
Don't get me wrong btw, it's not like I'm a EGS super fan, I just think that the hate against it is overblown
I've used it for Metro Exodus and World War Z
Oh yea
It also accessed a domain in Hong Kong
That was not associated with tencent or epic games but something else
I can find it real quick
Use VPN ? I got 350mbps download, /20mbps upload. Still Epic is risky even if u use VPN ?
the same data will still be sent and received
it seems like you dont have any proof regarding this except a hate for them, lots of this stuff you said is either fixed or used even by steam
they send your data around also? but nobody says anything for that?
@noble oak that's called analytics. don't try to tell me that nobody else does it... look at any webpage and youll almost always find google analytics actually
^
I don't play free games , especially Fortnite. I will never play Fortnite
oof
@rich obsidian
Should i do a matching pc case? (I have done a SS mouse, controller, keyboard and headset in this style. But have an old NZXT black case ๐ค
I can save $800 on my PC if I buy some parts from AMAZON that are NEW. Should I???
duh, if youre gonna save 800$ of course
?
read what he said
?
for me
how do you know
theres a big thunderstorm outside
What state u live in?
possibly even a tornado ๐
or country?
PA
Ah
?
Well im as south as you can go from you
lol
oof
kek
i like florida
its cold here
i know lol
75 or so (Fahrenheit)
i used to live in Louisiana where 98 degrees is "a nice cool day" ๐ : lol
@naive dune
but that was about 7 years ago
oh god
iv become accustomed to the temps of PA tho
i mean i used to live in texas but kek
k
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Plus some have to be shipped because I'm in NZ
Thats a very expensive computer xD
@vale swan when you said Intel 8th and 9th gen do you mean the CPU or mobo?
Hey i would love to hear the opinion of someone who owns it of the apex m750
Im split between that and 2 other keyboards and i want to have a good deal
@hushed shard there's plenty of reviews online! the keyboard is great
keys take some getting used to
but you adapt quick
I've used it for a couple months and hands down best keyboard I've owned (unbiased)
it's very durable
not heavy
I was also considering the hyperx alloy elite rgb and the k70 mk2, they do have the media keys, although i don't give use to that since the arctis has the volume wheel, the wrist rest is probably not an issue either
It's just that i can get the others for slightly less and idk if it's worth the extra bit
My siberia 200 i had was good but the cable broke after like a year near the 3.5 audio
And my rival 300 broke the m1 shell, had to get a 600
Just want it to last very long
The keys are probably fine, im yet to test linears, gonna guess they don't have the bump mid way through the click
Im extremely turned into the apex because the rest of my setup follows the brand
+1
But the others seem like they give more honestly, not sure. I just want something that wont break in months
Cause 155โฌ is a lot of money
as I said, build-quality wise, the KB is great
having it break isn't something you should be concerned unless you have a passionate (to stay the least) playstyle after losing
:D
try it out in-store and see if you like it :)
I wish i could
I just went to 2 tech stores
One of em has the alarm wire all over the boxes so i can't really open em and test
I would like to confirm that you can infact, punch a M750 without it breaking
But I can't recommend doing it
The other was extremely lack luster
Only had razer and trash keyboards
Steelseries isn't much of a thing here kb wise
Not on my city
And the only mechanical kb i could test was a trashy hp that needed a hammer hit to click a damn key
Only razer lul
They all buy crap
Screw it I'll have faith. 5 steelseries products after hopefully i won't be unlucky
So far it's been nice, outside of the weak glue on the 600 side padding lul
Yeah, that's real unfortunate
Well so far only 2 of them broke, and one is literally a piece of fabric 
My 300 works fine, just that i cant use m1 since the plastic broke. Unfortunate
:D
I think it was cause i clicked too back and the plastic didn't handle after some time
Well i guess screw corsair and hyperx and I'll go with the steel ๐คท . That audio visualizer is just ๐
@NeoGPT#0617 linear switches have no sound or tactile feel unless you bottom out the switch
@pulsar fossil
this is a surprise ๐ (i guarantee its not malware)
I second that it is not malware! ๐
its a funny gif
Is there a EPS power connector on pcpartpicker.com bc I canโt find one
Or if you guys can find me a decent one send me a link
well
i'm assuming you want a CPU power cable
in which case, look up Phanteks/BitFenix/UpHere/AsiaHorse cable extensions
Ok thx @chilly edge
@chilly edge can you send me a pic of how the connector looks like
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yeah, though you can buy separate cables from some places
unless you do want the Power supply and graphics card cables too
So the motherboard has 2 CPU Power slots
which means
you'll need a power supply with 2 CPU power ports
if you want to use both of the CPU power slots on the motherboard
and then also, if you don't already have the 1080, you're better off buying a 2080 for better performance
or
a 2070 for equivalent performance at a lower price
so yeha
i'd recommend swapping the overpriced 1080 out for a 2070, better value. THen you can use the money you saved to upgrade the Power Supply and CPU cooler
Iโm broke so canโt switch to 2070 or 2080
Is that all need for the pc the wire and the linked item
Do you have the 1080 already?
guys i need help my bottom side mouse button isnnt working on my rival 600
What happened @bold blade
The side mouse button on my mouse isnโt working. I just logged onto fortnite and realized it wasnโt working
Anyway I can fix this
Is it because itโs deactivated in the Steelseries engine?
I was messing with lighting effects that same day
i just checked and everything seems in place
i even tried to deactivate and activate the button but still nothing
Haven't talk much here since I've joined a long time ago but i kinda need advice for a mousepad...
Currently I am using some Genesis Maxi M12 mousepad (which is OK and I've washed it today since my Rival 300 started dropping its track and wasn't moving as smooth as before)
Since I am, let's say, SS fanboy I am looking for a new SteelSeries mousepad as I am lacking one to complete my setup - and here is my question - should I be looking for QcK Prism Cloth XL or QcK Prism (the 6 zone smaller one) would be good too?
I really like the big one as it's the same size as my current one, but it only has 2 zones...
Or should I be looking for simple, cheap mousepad and just buy something like Xiaomi Yeelights RGB strip and glue it around my desk? Cause I was thinking about doing so a long time ago too 
ouch
the decent pc part at that budget is easy
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KhZPCb @noble oak i think this could stream ๐
@chilly edge was mine any good?
wait the one i threw together would stream, right?
plus he asked for under 1k
there are certain parts that you can make as cheap as possible without really affecting performance (like case case fans the fact that wifi is for plebs etc)
@muted viper better than the pc I use to stream
lol
wait realy ๐
ik its better to go amd for streaming (and imo for everything) bcs of their higher core count
I could really use an upgrade for our streaming PC...
Intel Core i7-6700K
Nvidia GTX 1080, 8 GB
It's getting pretty old
old?
oh
We have 6 capture card inputs plus we tend to use lots of NDI
a 6th gen i7 w 1080 is killer tho
6x1080p60
That 4 input card was pretty expensive
ikr
try 4 input 4k60 cards...
what would you say your upgrade budget would be @pulsar fossil?
oh
No, media
But we have a great partnership with a big local reseller and that def helps :)
oh lol
We have a tv channel with 300k+ households :D
nice.
@pulsar fossil https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JhwX8Y think this could handle it
also i think with the way you put it you can afford that type of PC
That would be a decent build
your productions seems to be pretty big ๐
I would opt for a 2080 or 2080 ti though
less vram (i think)
There's some improvements to some features that the production software we use can benefit from
vMix that is
Not sure I'd trust my abilities in that
neither would i
Plus the PC will be in a rack case
oh
And will be rolled around and moved a lot
well then
So not sure I'd go that route
Yeah or maybe even Xeon
idk
ok ill admit it im an amd fanboy
im confused?
I really like that it's a lot easier to upgrade
thats an amd gpu?
CPU
oh
Ryzen 7
But it's a pretty good PC
wel yes
that cpu prolly cosr at least 400 USD
Something like that yeah
PC hardware tends to be more expensive here too
Like, I was considering getting the Razer Blade 15 laptop.
Specced out with a 2080 qmax
It's like $1200 less in the US
Here = Denmark
lol
Keyboard layout is the main thing that's keeping me from doing that
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Damn you ร ร ร
PC PartPicker has had its GUI changed
it did?
ye
can we just not do layers anymore?
what keyboard is that
Hmm its the first time i ever heard of it
is it an old one or like new in specific regions only?
idk, it said apex on the "what's new in steel series engine 3"
its an older keyboard
its got a pretty small spacebar
It looks like an apex 350
its an apex m800
so youre telling me that they removed the layers thing for their newer kbs and stopped advertising the higher end ones (weird spacebar, better rgb stuff i guess, macro keys)
i mean i wont complain but its interesting marketing
Is there any way to get the 800 still?
You might be able to find it used or in some stores
any clue why they stopped production (if they did)?
I think they just simply chose to discontinue it
oh ok
!apexm750
?
it was probably to replace it with a newer product
with a better form factor
and a new, better switch
yeah
oh ok
!apexm750tkl
!rival650
!arctisprowireless
np :D
!apexm800
c'mon xD
@chilly edge I suspect I'll be asking you for some advice soon
I'm about to make myself a nice gaming setup at home
if soon is soon, also go ahead
Soon as in multiple days from now
ahh alright
what does Everything include?
PC, audio gear, screen, possibly camera
I should have light (at least one Elgato Key Light) and a Greenscreen from Elgato
Screen as in monitor, right?
yes
Audio Gear and Camera stuff is out of my area
I was thinking about going for the Shure SM7B as mic. But we have a Sennheiser HMDC27 at the office that I can use, so might just use that in stead
That's my area
It will most likely just be that headset and a GoXLR for sound
And either a Garmin action cam from the office or something else
PCPartPicker doesnt appear to have a Denmark option
why the action cam??
Oh ok
as a facecam type thing??
also i was about to mention the Shure BLX series and then i was like "oh wait thats not what this is for"
yeah
Not sure which region on PCPP i should use
Germany?
most likely
Sweden
Stuff is like so expensive
A 2080ti is like 1/3 of the cost
1/3 of the budget I mean
Wait they're normally around that much anyway
1% battery life rip
Dang
850 W PSU installed ๐
I realised, that is not channel for this XD
i mean, it's alright to post here
no-one will rip you up for it
posting about PC-Peripherals is fine
the channel description is Discuss and share specs of your Battlestation and mice come under Specs
Ya, now, I know it ๐
Coming back to the topic, this pattern on the mouse is really nice and I'll buy it soon
yeah
from the massive giveaway a while back I would've loved to get a Gold Rival 310
i had a gold Rival 100
Nice
it was a bit of a weird surface to grip
Ymm.. Is there a mousepad with howl pattern?
there is indeed
I just thought it was, so I'll buy a mouse and mousepad with this pattern
But firstly I need better computer, I think ab this, Acer nitro 5
Thx
That's pretty decent
Especially considering I'm paying about $10 a month for it

oh cmon that's just flexing
Lol guys how much do you think this pc is worth
not too much
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It's worth depends on the inside
RGB and a nice case doesn't mean anything :D
i'd price it around 1 grand. (just because its very similar to a build i saw online so im assuming you happened to purchase that one)
rgb fans are like 10 quid
graphics card has one power cable, so midrange
depending on when you bought the parts I'd say around 800 quid
@vivid glacier https://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-Slimline-Keyboard-Accessibility-Compatible/dp/B017M4IX8W/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=keyboard&qid=1556816679&s=gateway&sr=8-4 this might be worse than a laptop keyboard ๐
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Heh. It's pretty much a normal sized enter button for the Nordic keyboard layout
It's not that big @chilly edge :p
@muted viper
That doesn't really talk about keycap profile
@chilly edge Has nothing to do with whatever y'all were talkin bout. Lol
my brother is always trying to make me jealous look what he just sent me
:(
yikes
my one thing with moving into a new house
is like
mainly
it has better inernet
because mine RN is absolute crap
That much download would be way overkill for me @muted viper
I'd rather have the higher upload speed
damn
i wonder what phones people here have
and what they'd want to upgrade to
because honestly i'd be fine with a ยฃ90 Honor 7S
I've been switching a lot lately
I went from a S8+ to OnePlus 6 last June, then the 6T when that got released. Now I've been using a S10 for a month or so and will be switching to the OnePlus 7 pro next week
all i really need is some storage (16-32gb is fine), a decent camera
and no good damn notch
or anything
I'm fine with a notch
It's nice that the s10 has a mini jack but I don't use it
I thought I would hate it
dont use it an awful lot, but still useful
at least they leaft it in APPLE
Sorry, I'm not getting in on the Apple hate bandwagon
the closest i've ever been to an apple product
is either sitting in the car next to my dad's iPhone
or going on a Mac in college taster days
Seems a little juvenile to hate Apple, doesn't it?
Or any other brand
Apple most certainly has their flaws, but so does Google
I for one wish it was smoother and easier to go from one phone to another
Correct me if I'm wrong @muted viper
errrr
I'll take that as a "You're not wrong" :P
Now I am a happy boy! ๐
Beautiful setup!
nice
https://downloadmoreram.com/index.html @rich nymph
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thank you but i need to download a whole pc, i have already downloaded rams
alright thank you young master
Nice setup ห^
Here i am !
yeah but i have a low dpi so i need a largest mousepad ^^
I think it's the same size as your current!
Prism cloth*
yes yes im here
hello
are u a gnome?
GnOmE
can i get the pro gamer rank?
no sorry :P
ok
Can I get some help?
After the new windows update my steelseries arctis 5 doesnt work.
The other one at the bottom is the one I was using
Because the first one has lower sound in my right ear
I am really confused
Try and set the bottom one as standardenhet and the one above as standard kommunikasjonsenhet
You can do it by right clicking on it
If that doesn't help reach out to #official-support
Do you know why the one above has lower sound?
On the right ear
Or is it done on purpose
ChatMix set more to game sound?
It's at the middle
I will contact support
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Got it to work @pulsar fossil windows seems to have disabled my realtek audio driver because my soundcard is pretty old
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I love this ๐๐ป๐
hmm
looks like RoG Thor power supply
G.Skill tridentZ RGB memory
NZXT Kraken x72 cooler i'd assume
those GPUs look like Strix cards,but not sure
Anyone use corsair k70 ยฟ i change my keyboard
i don't think i'll ever be getting a corsair keyboard
Why
Non-standard bottom row and horrible font on the keycaps
ฤฐ think red switch good for k70
Cherry switches are lame
Why ยฟ
Which keyboard better to you ยฟ
Just found a old steelseries headset
Bad pics sorry
Cool
I like it ๐
I remember when I was a young calzone.
Calzone played the Playstation 3. And had finay convinced my mom to buy me a microphone
It was a red camo earpiece.
I will always remember it. It was the biggest POS now thinking back to it. But at the time it was amazing.
It broke eventually because I sat on it. However I used about half a roll of tape to just tape ot back together.
It worked great! Then my best friend got a PS3 also! So i decided to give it to him and upgrade to some TurtleBeach PX22's. Finally. A headset.
I miss the old gamer times :')
The Calzone shouldn't be talking about himself in third person. Lennart thinks that's silly @fiery monolith
;)
Any geeks who can tell me which pc is best from some links?
WHATโS BEST?
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I wouldnt buy a prebuilt
honestly, prebuilt is trash
honestly, building your own is the way to go
^
What if its a custom PC built by someone else for you? As in you payed them to build it?
Honestly, saying pre-built is trash, is a trash comment @severe halo
none of the specs on those pcs seemed amazing
Yes, some pre-built machines are pretty terrible
But not all of them
Building your own pc and the risks it entail is not for everyone
And that's fine
lol
I got a pretty good prebuilt for christmas in 2015
risks?
one risk
Yeah?
im sorry but what risks are there
oof
is wasting 2 hours trying to install an AMD Wraith max cooler
If a part is broken you're the one who has to do the troubleshooting
with the stupid clips and brackets
my friend broke an IC pin and it cost him a couple hundred to replace
I'm not saying building your own pc is a bad idea, I'm just saying there's more nuance to it than "pre-built is shit"
Not everyone knows that @severe halo
thats not my fault is it
I'm not saying it is
its not my problem if people are dumb
its not like its difficult, its a jigsaw puzzle except you know where the pieces go
it takes a couple of hours
Sorry but you are being very short-sighted
wait @chilly edge they still use those annoying mount style for their coolers ?
For the Wraith Max
oh
and possibly the Wraith prism RGB, but not sure
i hate those
@severe halo not everyone has the time, the wish or the knowledge to build a pc. Nor the wish to get that knowledge. And that's fine.
literally cost me 2 hours and 2 mental breakdowns trying to install it
Damn @chilly edge
i'll unscrew the brackets, then put them into the cooler and then screw it back it
WHAT
your over compliacting things
i didnt know anyone could struggle that much with one of those coolers
they are just mildly infuriating
but pretty easy to install
fam
?
Prebuilt is better imo
you do mean one of these styles, right @chilly edge ?
For some they are, for sure @deft ravine
I think it's important that different people have different needs. One solution might be terrible for one person but the best option for someone else. But that doesn't mean that solution is terrible. Just that it isn't for you @severe halo
I hope that makes sense
prebuilts are great for people who just don't want to build a Pc and just want a computer that'll run the games they wanna play
Exactly
all im sayin is that its more fun, less expensive and more educational to build one
for the sake of convenience, thats something i personally can deal with
others not so much I guess
which is fair
well you have the benefit of not having an OEM's name stamped on your PC if you build your own
also your parts are standard
alot of OEMs use non standard parts
also theres no risk of breaking warranty
because there never was one to begin with
:^)
ye that's the type @muted viper
how do you struggle with those?
if your gonna get a prebuilt at least buy form ibuypower or some company thats similar @severe halo
to my knowledge they dont use any non standard parts
There's still warranty to break on the individual parts @severe halo