the real meat comes from Jotaro, Joseph and Polnareff
#stardust-crusaders
orchid veldt
Iggy is weird, because Iggy, although having a solid redemption arc
isn't really
there
junior garnet
Most character development out of the entire Crusaders
orchid veldt
Iggy does stuff during Geb
junior garnet
Only had 2 fights
junior garnet
3, if you count Vanilla Ice
orchid veldt
but like
he's just THERE for most of it
like
imagine this
take Part 2
wait no
Part 3
and say like
Joseph was just there
didn't do anything
barely said a word
and was just kind of
following the group
and then all of a sudden
WE GET A BUNCH OF DEVELOPMENT DROPPED ON US IN ONE FIGHT
and then they die in the next fight
so like Iggy is just a weird factor
well that's more for Polnareff
and as I said, Polnareff falls in the great side of things
and he's objectively the best crusader from a writing perspective
as he has his own arc, personality and several fights to his name
he's the most well rounded character in the Part
it doesn't help that most of Jotaro's character is inside
I saw a video analysis once and I think it was described well
they described Jonathan as being an external character
Jotaro as an internal character
while Joseph was a nice mix of internal and external
that's who it was
orchid veldt
yeah, but like think about it
let's count the number of fights each character gets to their name
meager spade
but the fights are irrelevant
talk about overall plot significance
who cares if joseph fights empress what's her face
it doesn't change the story in any way
orchid veldt
Jotaro - around 14 fights
no but that's the thing
you'll notice that Polnareff sort of hits that sweet spot
cause the underdeveloped characters barely have any fights
while Jotaro gets a lot just to maintain his badassness
meager spade
polnareff is the best character because he has character. he's still useless in the end.
orchid veldt
Polnareff gets that sweet spot where most fights he's subject to result in development
meager spade
he does nothing to further the plot except for his own plot, completely separate from the crusaders goal
so much so, you could have him leave mid arc and it would be alright
no harm no foul
he kills geil and goes buh bye everyone
meager spade
which again, do nothing
orchid veldt
but not every fight is required to do something
sometimes they're just for the sake of development
and tbf
Vanilla Ice was an important roadblock
the Crusaders couldn't get to DIO with Vanilla Ice in the way
orchid veldt
I didn't say every Polnareff fight
meager spade
strength
weary turret
we learn that silver chariot can't see
orchid veldt
I didn't say development happens in every fight
meager spade
uh
orchid veldt
not once did I say that
meager spade
dude stardust crusaders is just all fat and no substance
weary turret
yellow temperance, we see more to jotaro's rational side and ways of thinking (joestar secret technique)
orchid veldt
you can say that
but every part
every part
has a shit ton of fights that don't really mean much other than
"the crew is one step closer"
meager spade
all of jotaros character is in Dio's world pretty much expect for the most useless trivia like "he likes sumo and read that book"
orchid veldt
sure there's exceptions here and there
but really the fights are obstacles
that's how it is with
almost literally everything ever created
meager spade
being a repeating trope of JoJo doesn't make the format any better
weary turret
only if you're reading everything at absolute face value man
meager spade
it's not an argument to make SC any more worth reading
meager spade
The figths are like a Saint Seya arc
idk if you read or watched that
but it's like a corridor with fights in it and a boss at the end
killing the goons does not impact the boss or the protagonists in any way
thereby only the final fight matters, and everything else is just fat
weary turret
waah waah my action manga has too much fighting
orchid veldt
I mean if you think about it
burnt zodiac
only like 4 fights in each part actually matter by that metric tbh
orchid veldt
Araki is always like
meager spade
literally not what i said
orchid veldt
several years ahead of the manga industry
with every part
but at this point
several of the parts seems standard
cause the industry has caught up
I mean when you consider how revolutionary Part 3 is
meager spade
waah waah my action manga doesn't make my fights important despite that being its main selling point.
weary turret
i've never once seen anyone advertise jojo as having incredible characters or story
clever fights and such yeah
but like let's be real the story is filled with inconsistencies and was clearly made up as it went along
earlier parts were hit especially hard by that
meager spade
caesar also does nothing
and jojo does have good characters, just not much character development which is fine.
mostly the characters already have their minds and goals set
so they're not trying to understand themselves or something
araki himself has said that
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weary turret
that, jonathan's amazingly versatile rainbow hamon powers, DIO's coffin, Star Platinum: The World, and (part 4) were the examples i was mostly thinking of
oh
orchid veldt
I go with the theory that
Hermit Purple is a hamon stand
and that was just Jonathan's stand DIO was using
junior garnet
SUNLIGHT YELLOW OVERDRIVE
meager spade
hamon is just stupid versatile
weary turret
re: hermit purple, yeah that's more or less accepted as the official explaination, but that's not, like, part of the story or anything. it's an inconsistency
re: hamon, it was barely defined in part 1, can do anything, and breaks nearly every rule for its second go in part 2
yeah, we all know that now, but again it's not an in-story justification
it's not even an out of story justification either
also, despite all this, jojo is still exactly what it advertises itself as, a fun fighting shonen with magic powers and cool fights,
there were some that didn't fit the colourful naming scheme in part 1 but otherwise yeah
i think that's it
meager spade
it's just a hamon burst
the names are not like a real thing
it's just the manga coolness letting him have sicks names for no reason
weary turret
okay, then:
lets one minimize pain
gives one enough self-healing power to heal a broken arm (that was well on its way to being healed already but, instant recovery
generate fire from nothing
destroys zombie flesh on contact
is "naturally channeled" through certain substances, making them behave anomalously
can be used to read ones future
can spin the user around for a flurry kick
can be given to someone else, however the hell that works
can sometimes not destroy zombie flesh but instead purifies the zombie's soul
can also sometimes let you control a zombie's movements instead (this is the weak ability)
and that's all only in part 1, before they completely change the rules! wow!
meager spade
hamon is so wack
weary turret
oh it lets you stick leaves together too
weary turret
no, i'm pretty sure that was just him giving jonathan all his life's energy
it was probably a bit of both
we gonna do part 2? okay gimme a sec
meager spade
and caesar doesn't get older so it's not like it's just an effect of giving hamon to others.
orchid veldt
people keep reasoning that Joseph should be younger in Part 3
but I disagree
since we both say Zeppeli and Lisa Lisa
when they were 50
we saw Joseph when he was 69
and he was still buff as all hell
that's also possible
but once again, Straits said it himself
hamon can only do so much
yeah, that's true, but weren't the both of them like
79?
weary turret
hamon training can now be passed down to decendants (???)
now hurts in some way normal people and objects, despite explicitly being a life force and not a weapon previously
explicitly shown to slow aging
can now be "naturally channeled" by more objects with some arbitrary connection to "life", which allows for much more control over them than previously
can be amplified by some magic rock, which isn't actually magic
also coagulates flesh of some ancient mesoamerican vampires
can create bulletproof fields by being "channeled" through hair
can control other living beings
can make a volcano explode (which was hamon on a massive scale, but still)
can now be passed down to bubbles as well as people
probably more, it's been a while since i read part 2
breathing and a week of training sure can do a lot for 3 generations!
(minus one. poor jorge)
hazy sable
araki forgot
weary turret
thank you for summing it up
AU: everything is the same but part 1 follows the p2 hamon rules and vice versa
yamero! don't punch the frog!
behold! the power of hamon!
splat
stand back!
heh! how do you like my hamon hair barrier?
the cloud of smoke dissipates. when it clears joseph is lying completely dead covered in hair
wintry rampart
Surprised jotaro never got in trouble for FUCKING ABUSING A DOG
weary turret
to be fair the dog was being kind of a dick
wanton turret
the dog shot first by chewing on polnareff's hair and farting
wintry rampart
Jotaro doesnt give a fuck what happens to polnareff's hair anyway
orchid veldt
Who's the worst character in Part 3
soft grail
Alessi.
meager locust
Controversially I say Kakyoin
He is just such a basic charicter
I didnt really care when he died
Although 20 meter emerald splash was super cool
amber scaffold
wait what
orchid veldt
I mean that's fair
Kakyoin is flat as a character
amber scaffold
I think maybe it's true
unreal sage
Yeah
amber scaffold
But he is the best milfbuster of JoJo
Tomoko holds the second place and Joseph the third
meager locust
Kakyoin's character was greatly improved by memes
amber scaffold
@meager locust KAKYOIN DID YOU LAY THIS EGG
unreal sage
Cherry lickin good for nothin mom banger
meager locust
I love old joseph
orchid veldt
Araki may know if it
Considering a joke in a recent Part 8 chapter
May make Araki aware of the joke
amber scaffold
Instead of trying to remember things he laugh at memes
@wintry rampart there is a world where Kakyoin is alive
amber scaffold
wait what
wanton turret
or an alternate universe where araki became a make-up artist instead
orchid veldt
As Kakyoin, Avdol and Iggy do not die in this Part 3 RPG
amber scaffold
I have heard some
about SNES game
but this shit is hard
Can you kill Joseph before final fight?
And defeat DIO using the Iggy only
orchid veldt
You're correct about the magic school uniform
fallen shore
Everyone lives in Eyes of Heaven universe too
spring cave
avdol yes
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wintry rampart
fuck man
apparently theres a version of the final episode of SC
where after the episode ends
last train home plays
its so fucking sad
nah its just like
the normal ending
but its still fucking tragic
same
but it ended up being my favorite ending
it was weird at first
when i saw it for the first time
it sounded so different
and i was like
wtf
it fits
wintry rampart
i want to see like a short manga set in a universe if everyone survived
wintry rampart
what the fuck is this
im reading it right now
what the hell
OH NO
NO
NONONOON
THE WIFE
MARRIED
WHAT TTHE FUCKS
junior garnet
K A K Y O I N D I D Y O U L A Y T H I S E G G
spark pendant
Oh heck.
near starBOT
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uncut vault
i was so satisfied when jotaro crushed dio's skull idk why
wintry rampart
They got cackyions eyes
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lyric nexus
what’s with those flashbacks at the beginning of part 3. of jotaro
being a Good Child
were they real or holly just having really positive views of her kid
weary turret
we may never know
lyric nexus
araki explain
weary turret
in the anime, there's an extra scene where suzi q thinks of jotaro the same way
so... maybe he had a secret Good Boy side in his youth? we may never know
raw condor
Imagine 7 yr jotaro beating tf out of everything
wintry rampart
when alessi shrunk jotaro
shouldnt he have been his old self
during his early years
wintry rampart
because hes a child
orchid veldt
well, yeah he's 17 but keep in mind
it's a matter of how LONG you touch the shadow
Polnareff may be older
but Jotaro got a bit more of a warning to avoid the shadow
and so didn't touch it as long
wintry rampart
i guess so
orchid veldt
I mean you say "I guess so" but like it's literally what they say
ornate merlin
It just works
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wintry rampart
i mean jotaro started acting like a tough ass during years 14-17
it depends on how many years he was taken back
sullen oar
Question
Trying to find the second part 3 op on itunes
I tried searching the name but it doesnt show up, it is just not there
weary turret
Sono Chi no Kioku ~ end of the WORLD ~
or, if you wanna be real technical, it's ジョジョ その血の記憶～end of THE WORLD～
sullen oar
Say what are some of your favorite part 3 screenshots
I have some good ones
Although some are too large of a file
Polnareff land is a highlight
This one from Ebony Devil is interesting
And many others
deep lava
What are all the times we’ve seen Jotaro wholeheartedly smile?
near starBOT
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meager spade
deep lava
The laughing episode was so funny.
sullen oar
The one with the sun?
deep lava
Yeah.
meager spade
The manga sun jotaro laugh is way better than the anime
sullen oar
The sun would suck to have as a stand
deep lava
Pic?
sullen oar
Everything you use it it might kill you unless you prepare extensively
Everytime*
Also in the anime fats died before we even knew his name
Other good moments include baby stand
meager spade
deep lava
So I’m thinking of an old man with a fedora...What three words do you think occupy that thought?
sullen oar
Well yeah
He just got hit by a rock
And I’ve only seen the anime I wasn’t sure if it was in manga either
I just knew the name from general discussion or something
hexed peak
I had a dream last night where Rubber Soul had disguised himself as someone I knew. I called him out a few times but he kept pretending.
After that I had to blow up the Death Star.
Weird dream.
sand hornet
low sable
ora
wintry rampart
Remember when Jotaro hit Dio so hard, he busted a nut that blew his leg off?
dense horizon
Was it ever explained why dio didnt use his laser eyes in part 3 or did araki just forget
smoky geode
he wasnt a full vampire yet
dire sinew
@wintry rampart i mean dio is just the head and the body make spems
So dio fucking bitches all those who got pregnant are part of the jojo family?
meager spade
all of jonathan's body seemed to belong to dio by SC
seeing as how it all regenerated and all
yes but it was so much that any possible kids he may have had would be his too i guess
deep lava
Indiana Joestar.
weary turret
i'm pretty it was said in an artbook or something that he lost most of his vampiric powers with his old body
deep lava
Guile from Street Fighter is based off Polnareff!?
wanton turret
yes, that was the main idea
but they accidentally skewed his hair horizontally instead of vertically
but it still works as a stroheim reference
huh
it's either yours or mine
bottomline is: he's a polnareff referenced disguised as a stroheim reference
junior garnet
But he's American
Fun fact: my first exposure to Guile was the last Smash Ultimate Direct, and I saw him and immediately said "Oh cool, American Stroheim's in"
wanton turret
yeah, and pol is french and stroheim is german, so it doesn't really matter his nationality
deep lava
Is that a JoJo reference?
junior garnet
In another Capcom game, Monster Hunter 3G (3 Ultimate in Western releases, but we didn't get it), one of the Shakalaka masks was based off of Harvest, and there was a Crazy Diamond hammer which could heal teammates
Capcom loves Jojo and I think that's great
junior garnet
I really hope we get the dance (you know the one) in Monster Hunter World
Defo worth 2 dollars if they make it
junior garnet
Fighting Gold
deep lava
Sono Chi no Sadame.
Cause the prolonged Jooooo at the end of the song would be so hype.
And it ties back to Jonathan.
I’ve visualized it before it’s just very fitting IMO.
raw condor
There was a tribute
deep lava
Though Stand Proud would work too.
raw condor
With Sono Chi No Sadame playing with a bunch of flashbacks before Dio died
raw condor
Oh yeah it was 10 times better hearing the first op at the end of part 2
raw condor
Old Joseph's eyebrows are scary as fuck
deep lava
Teme wa, ore wo... okoraseta.
Jotaro may say edgy things but he does it stylishly or comedically.
Part 3 wouldn’t be the same without that final fight.
Just peeped it. Yeah me too.
Joseph’s prank on him was priceless.
spark pendant
Wait at the end?
deep lava
Yeah.
junior garnet
"Jotaro... You've given me new life in Joseph's body"
deep lava
@wintry rampart He pretends to be a vampire.
Only Joseph would do that to his grandson.
You know something I swore I’ve seen that in like a YouTube comment.
lone nest
what happened to Holly when dio died
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lone nest
sweet
i mean
did she lose her stand??
no one else did
she just all of a sudden became healthy again
meager spade
that's a good question.
lone nest
is this another "araki forgot" moment
meager spade
fallen shore
I don’t think she lost it but it stopped killing her because something to do with DIO being evil
meager spade
here are all the answers
meager spade
also omg you have the cursed/sad cat
lone nest
ghost battle homo adventures wasnt made for questioning
meager spade
but she got better?
reef dagger
you're looking to hard into an 80's manga for kids
lone nest
she took a nap
meager spade
so i'm assuming it stopped killing her.
lone nest
don worry bout it
lone nest
she got the hots for dio
fallen shore
Everyone does
meager spade
same
fallen shore
Actually now that I think about it what probably happened is what DIOs spirit or whatever did was forcefully manifest the Stands
Because Jotaro couldn’t control Star Platinum at first
So I guess everyone gets to keep there’s because they had the fighting spirit to be able to control it
lone nest
stands are powerful visions of ones own personality manifested
fallen shore
So when they kill DIO you could say Holly still technically has it deep inside but it doesn’t manifest
lone nest
and your resolve is how well you can control it
i can live with this
what is jojo if not an endless barrage of asspulls
fallen shore
Not fun
junior garnet
gay
fallen shore
Asspulls are part of what makes it great though
reef dagger
jojo asspulls are those kinds of things that if you hate them,you feel bad and you are forced to like them
lone nest
i, personally would love to have seen Holly's stand in action
it looked almost like Hermit
junior garnet
I would love to see certain shots of Holy without her Stand
weary turret
hollyt was not capable of properly manifesting her stand, and it was killing her
once DIO's curse is gone, it's safe to assume it was never manifested, properly or otherwise, ever again
gray crown
why did dio lose his lasor beams and his insta-freeze
uneven mist
there’s theories about that on youtube
fallen shore
Either he didn’t think he needed them because he has a Stand or because of the Hamon in Jonathan’s body limiting those abilities
meager spade
superman is an alien
dio is a supernatural thing
he shouldn't shoot literal fucking like, hi tech rays off his eyes
now hard liquid? i'd understand
orchid veldt
RATE PART 3 OUT OF 10
meager spade
6
junior garnet
9
mellow geode
Doesn‘t anyone remember when Joseph deflected Straitzo‘s lazer eyes through a piece of glass?
junior garnet
Wait did he?
mellow geode
Pressurized blood would not turn around
junior garnet
I don't think water deflects off glass
meager spade
it's like a hose
junior garnet
Oh it's because he used Hamon
meager spade
ah yes
junior garnet
Since the SRSE are made up of bodily fluids, they contain life and are thus susceptible to Hamon
His Hamon redirected the shots, the glasses simply helped guide it
mellow geode
How do body body fluids enter into solid glass without shattering or even cracking it
junior garnet
Hamon
mellow geode
If the pee goes through solid glass i‘d be surprized
meager spade
i mean in normal circumstances it'd break right
junior garnet
But Hamon
meager spade
srse breaks shit.
junior garnet
Specifically, Part 2 Hamon
meager spade
but part 2 hamon is d stupid and it's just magic.
every use of hamon in part 2 is an asspull
goodbye
fallen shore
10
meager spade
thicc right
raw condor
this gives me the big gay
spark pendant
Why is Dio so thicc?
wanton turret
because jonathan is thicc
spark pendant
Mmm. Thicc.
raw condor
YOU'RE RIGHT
I FORGOT HE HAD JONATHAN'S BODY
In reality Dio was jealous, that's why he took it
spark pendant
OH MY GOD THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
raw condor
Pb?
wanton turret
phantom blood
orchid veldt
Phantom Blood, I think
raw condor
Ah ok
Yea
Dio and Jonathan were pretty thick but Part 3's aesthetic makes him look when thicker
Plus the thight as fuck clothes help
weary turret
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wanton turret
@weary turret #manga-jojokes ...i think..?
unreal sage
Cmon man you are level 17
weary turret
it's cause everyone in this mcfuckin chat is thirsting over dio c'mon man
wanton turret
i'm a 3 years age
orchid veldt
Wow, you gotta be like
The world's youngest Discord Moderator then
wanton turret
no u
orchid veldt
I'm technically a mod....
on a server I was just invited to and I just got turned into a mod for no reason??
wanton turret
yeah that sometimes happens if you join while a server is sitll small and you're active there, i guess
raw condor
DIO'S tiddys bounce in the Ova
smoky geode
Bara tiddies
short haven
Friendly reminder that SC's dub has a Team Four Star reference
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smoky geode
@short haven explain
smoky geode
lol
elfin dune
yes
wintry rampart
Okay what the fuck was Anubis
unreal sage
Whatd you want
elfin dune
the answer is yes
wintry rampart
Yeah But like what was the arc like
Like what happened
I'm having trouble remembering lmao and a friend just watched it
elfin dune
Anubus infected its user and anyone who holded it became the stand user
and thats the arc
iirc
unreal sage
Anubis posseses chaka then polnareff defeats chaka then he posseses khan then pol defeats khan then he posseses pol then pol gets beat by jotaro then they throw away the sword
wintry rampart
Okay I remember now
Bless yall
Ugh me @ my dog like A N Y T I M E she steps outside
Okay so
How does the touching stand rule work
Can people touch other stands. Can only stand users touch stands.
So stands can touch each other
That's a thing
That sounds great
But here's the real question how did Jotaro hold on to the fool
wintry rampart
AAAAAHHAHAHAH
THAT MAKES SO MUXH SENSE BLESS YOU
I feel like such an idiot like of course
vernal steppe
How does Star Plat beating the crap out of Steely Dan work then
Or any other human
hot palm
Stands can touch physical objects and stands
hot palm
I'm including people in that
unreal sage
Ye
vernal steppe
I think Stands can touch people, Stand users or no
I can't think of many examples from this part
weary turret
regular people can't see The Fool but they can see the sand kicked around
hot palm
Wait didn't Jotaro punch a shark
That's an example of a living being that is a non stand user being hurt by a stand
weary turret
stands can touch physical objects we've been over this
star platinum grabbed anne when she was falling off the SPW ship
that's probably the most notable example from part 3
vernal steppe
Anubis can be touched by everyone (if it wants to be) because it's bound to a physical object
weary turret
hol horse tried that. didn;t work
vernal steppe
I think regular people could see the sand controlled by the fool, but not necessarily the design which is basically cosmetics
weary turret
some people can. jotaro can, but polnareff cannot
it depends on the stand, rather than the user
notably, star platinum has almost impossibly good eyesight
meager spade
ngl your questions are worded so weirdly
like you're putting you opinion on the question
yes they're basic but they were the first
junior garnet
The World just stops time
unreal sage
tower of grey just flies
junior garnet
The Lovers is Ebony Devil but kind of worde
meager spade
the lovers is every stand but worse
spark pendant
I didn't like The Lovers that much. I think my favorite in part three were The Sun (Yes, fight me.) And Death 13.
meager spade
the sun is a funny fight
spark pendant
That's why I like it.
meager spade
i like it a lot
spark pendant
And because in that episode Joseph says Oh Shit in English and I love it-
junior garnet
SON OF A BEETCH
spark pendant
Y E S.
junior garnet
I mean...
hexed peak
Just finished the first half of stardust crusaders
scenic terrace
Only get's better from there
Also don't come in here until you finished, or you'll be spoiled
junior garnet
SpoiLER ALERT: Kakyoin joins the group
deep lava
Best DIO quote?
burnt zodiac
"Does this street look FAMILIAR to you, Jotaro? Or being the tourist that you are, DO ALL STREETS LOOK THE SAME??"
ova
junior garnet
I fucking love that one
burnt zodiac
am i right? it's a fucking choice quote
deep lava
Lemme just be the first to say ZA WARUDOOO!
burnt zodiac
the "ZA WARUDO" right before he glazes kakyoin is the best one imo
maiden bough
junior garnet
^
deep lava
junior garnet
His fingers are so boney
deep lava
I see some yellow I’m just weird with judging colors. And yeah you could even say they’re vampiric.
junior garnet
You know what bothers me?
People looking for meaning where there isn't any
I saw someone trying to claim that "Ora" was the last three letters of "Jotaro" backwards
郎太承 is the last three letters of Jotaro backwards
Rotajo
Not Ora
burnt zodiac
oratoj
mellow geode
My stand [Munitalp Rats] has no weaknesses!
scenic terrace
You're supposed to always no how Jotaro feels at all times with no hints.
near starBOT
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reef dagger
guys so you know how dio muda mudas the steamroller with his elbows right?
uhh i did that at school on a desk
and uuhhhhh it kinda broke
fallen shore
Honestly I think it’s totally in Joseph’s character to stop doing it because he’s lazy
scenic terrace
Yea, i don't think we need many theories about it
spring cave
yea he be lazy
deep lava
So guys there’s this British blonde man that has a Stand AND vampiric powers AND the ability to stop time...
...That opts to use a road roller.
fallen shore
I mean that’s a pretty rad way to kill the last person standing in your way of world domination
spring cave
avdol :/
fervent ivy
is Avdol ANYONE'S favorite?
unreal pier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Fy2Tja3s0 he has his moments
fallen shore
Yes but you could say this is just as much Joseph’s moment
And quite a few people favorite Joseph
unreal pier
Well I think it takes two people to make this comedic moment golden.
orchid veldt
well my friend is watching Part 3 currently
and before Avdol's first "death"
they said he was their favorite ORIGINAL Part 3 character
Joseph was kind of their favorite by default
cause Part 2 and yeah
fervent ivy
what if the world only punches and stopping time is just a vampire ability
and star plat isn't the same stand
amber scaffold
@junior garnet He means "Punching ghost and the ability to stop time"
@fervent ivy So Jotaro is a vampire?
prisma lichen
nani
sullen oar
Something funny I noticed
Anyone else see how often someone says something like “Idiot! Didn’t you realize I (insert complicated strategy) while you were (doing thing)
I was messing around and thinking of my own kinda parody script for one of those
And figure something along these lines seems not too out of place
“Idiot! Didn’t you realize my Hierophant was using his vines to (do crazy elaborate thing) whole you were talking? Them jotaro just shows up and ora’s the guy
Since it seems to commonly be something with Hierophants tendrils
Also I gotta say
The Thoth and Knumn episode was pretty funny looking back
Might be one of my favorite episodes of part 3 just for the laughs
vernal steppe
Thoth and Khnum were hilarious
wary prism
I love those two.
spark pendant
The Oingo Boingo brothers outro was my favorite. It'll always be my favorite, hands down.
undone sinew
median yoke
undone sinew
@median yoke part 3 ending was deus ex machina dont @ me
near starBOT
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median yoke
Part 2 ending was worse don't @ me
scenic terrace
@median yoke you're wrong
undone sinew
^
median yoke
Jotaro at least looked badass with his deus ex machina
near starBOT
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median yoke
And it had a long term effect
junior garnet
But with Part 3
"How will Jotaro beat this ultimate ability? How can he outsmart DIO?"
"Oh, he's less susceptible than others to DIO's ability. OK. He'll still have to be smart with it"
undone sinew
"lmao he can stop time too"
median yoke
Kami shut the fuck up and go back to failing NNN
junior garnet
"Oh, I guess he and DIO just have the same ability."
median yoke
Kami failed NNN btw
undone sinew
and you skip parts
junior garnet
No Nut November is fucking stupid
undone sinew
^
median yoke
I found evidence of his failure in the bathroom the other day
scenic terrace
...I don't think this discussion is civil anymore...
undone sinew
^
junior garnet
You're just bringing it up because you know you've lost the argument
scenic terrace
No
undone sinew
"lmao u failed nnn" is the words of someone who has lost and need some sort of leverage over the other person
besides real men dont do nnn
median yoke
At least I didn't fail NNN to gay porn
undone sinew
neither did i
median yoke
Lmao use incognito plz
undone sinew
listen here u little shit
frigid pike
Please don't talk about that here
scenic terrace
whew thank god...that was going to some unholy places
median yoke
Beat me you shitty dk main
undone sinew
you lost the arguement
median yoke
The argument that you started because you love drama lol
undone sinew
no u
median yoke
Wrong chat
frigid pike
median yoke
I apologize for that
I meant to dm him that
Sorry y'all might have had to see that message
undone sinew
junior garnet
@median yoke Did you just claim that Zipper Man started the argument? Because here's the first mention of Part 2 in the argument.
Wait, no, sorry
median yoke
He started this exact argument with me yesterday because I was discussing how well built up Kira's story is
junior garnet
Went a little further back and here's you randomly blurting it out in VA with no context
median yoke
Not as bad as what he says in other places outside of server
Would post example just don't want to get banned
junior garnet
Let's say I believe you
You still brought up Part 2 in the Part 5 chat while people were talking about color pallettes.
Zipper Man defended Part 2
Then you tried to pin the blame on him for starting it
median yoke
He lives with me you don't know the behind the scenes
Oh wow he made fun of my sexuality in dms
How civilized Kami.
undone sinew
says the m8 who falsely accuses me of being gay
median yoke
You called your balls holy orbs
junior garnet
"Oh, wow, he made fun of my sexuality"
ten minutes earlier
median yoke
Fun fact
undone sinew
junior garnet
You're a hypocrite?
median yoke
It's an inside joke between friends because we caught one of our friends with a gay porn site bookmarked
cough
Joe
junior garnet
mhm
median yoke
Kami
junior garnet
Then keep it to the circle of friends
median yoke
Remember Joe's bookmarks
undone sinew
no
frigid pike
Can you take this argument to dms
median yoke
Yeah ok
frigid pike
Thanks
median yoke
Got it
undone sinew
yeah unless you wanna ban us both @median yoke
undone sinew
why is hol horse there
vernal steppe
HoHo best JoJo
wintry rampart
^
soft grail
Cause at some point, Hol Horse was suppose to replace Avdol after his death.
sullen oar
I gotta say
How did Araki even think of Bastet as a stand
Like it was pretty funny
But it’s such a dumb idea
How did he even think of that
Like if someone went up to me and told me I had a stand I’d be like hell yeah
and then they clarify all it is a light switch
That’d be pretty disappointing
soft grail
I mean, he thought of Tower of Gray because he imagined a fly being annoying in an airplane.
sullen oar
500 IQ Araki
wintry rampart
I mean idk touching outlets can electrocute you..... and static electricity sometimes works by attracting certain materials to others....
I'm grasping
But idk I like see the leap
stone wren
Did tower of gray and superfly get their names switch?
stone wren
i think he had to changed it similar to street fighter changing their names around
like m. bison, vega, balrog
sullen oar
m.Bison has the best victory quotes
wintry rampart
I don't think superfly was a speck of an idea when tower of grey was introduced
sullen oar
“You are strong enough to serve me but do not know when to kneel. Die!”
stone wren
is guile supposed to be polnareff or Stroheim or both
vernal steppe
I think it's common... knowledge?... that Guile's inspired by Polnareff
stone wren
guile looks more like strohiem more
and they are both military
but guile does wear tanktops like polnareff
soft grail
Big brain: Guile is just an Americanized Strohiem
meager spade
broke: guile is reverse stroheim, bt is good
woke: guile is polnareff and a graphics glitch, pb is irrelevant
wintry rampart
So kakyoin made a kid eat his own shit.
fallen shore
He sure did
But that kid tried to murder him and his friends
So it’s more than fair
wintry rampart
all for nothing
fervent ivy
seems like a fair trade to me
spring cave
yea lets go to Polnareffland
half crow
I would go for bread
odd galleon
I like how he was a statue of silver chariot
winged wing
I had a dream once
It was this scene from stand proud
But everything was replaced with the supreme sticker
near starBOT
@winged wing, Your Gangstar cred is now level 2 !
winged wing
I thought supreme came from JoJo.
orchid veldt
Jotaro - 16
Polnareff - 10
Kakyoin - 8
Joseph - 6
Avdol - 5
Iggy - 3
Hol Horse - 3 fights (2??)
DIO - 1 fight
hexed peak
Just finished stardust crusaders
fallen shore
My second favorite part personally
short haven
So hear me out; what if instead of Poleneruff, this dude went against Joseph
Imagine he returns to his prime and Hamons the fuck outta him
sick phoenix
Nah mate, you only get to see this man get a turd kicked into his face 😔
short haven
Because we needed more Poleneruff
wintry rampart
Polnareff was everywhere
short haven
More so than Jotaro
amber scaffold
Joseph: Your next line is "BAKANA! NANI?"
Alessi: "BAKANA! NANI?"
Joseph: Clacker Volley Ovadraivu!
idk
BT would be better, if Araki had rewrited it now
meager spade
every SC talk:
"hey what if alessi went against joseph"
"hey isn't dio's world ending an asspull"
me: tired of this
junior garnet
You basically just described the entire server
meager spade
i mean kinda it's the alessi thing that really makes me drop dead tbh
i don't mind repeated discussion as long as it isn't this stupid ass idea with alessi
junior garnet
The fight wouldn't have been fun or interesting if we just saw young Joseph beat the shit out of Alessi
meager spade
it's my bias against joseph speaking anyway
junior garnet
At the most, maybe it would've been fun if Joseph showed up at the end instead of Jotaro
meager spade
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junior garnet
But then it would really feel like it was shoved in just to pander to BT fans
amber scaffold
What if Jotaro lost
and then Abdul and Joseph came
Alessi uses his stand
And Joseph is like: "Your next line is "I defeated Joestars, lord DIO!""
etc
burnt zodiac
Guys what if Alessi faced Joseph instead
junior garnet
What a novel idea
I don't think anyone's ever thought of that before
This warrants discussion
amber scaffold
Maybe they deleted it
Or replaced with kung fu
And Joseph is an old kung fu master who can't properly use it now
silent lava
yeah he uses it in combination with hermit purple a few times as protection
near starBOT
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silent lava
he also tries to use it against empress
but it doesn't work as it's an extension of his own body
the explanation i've heard for his lack of hamon use, is that he stopped practicing it so he wouldn't remain too young so that he could age with erina
which is a bit of a cop out in my opinion
but most explanations of things in jojo sound a lot like cop outs and trying to excuse an oversight on araki's part
silent lava
oh yeah i'm dumb
i was typing erina like 🤔
for some reason i always mix up lisa lisa, suzi q and erina's names
fervent ivy
late to the party by A LOT but DIO's World wasn't even an asspull
DIO lost because he was cocky
the only "asspull" thing would've been Jotaro's time stop ability even though I am 100 percent sure Araki envisioned that when he finalized his design and function of The World
I say finalized because I have heard somewhere The World was originally going to have the power of all the tarot card stands which I believe would play into it's name quite well but I have no source on that so I can't confirm it
weary turret
This is the stand I designed first, as a boss, to contrast with Star Platinum's color and other traits. By countering Star Platinum's super speed with time stop, we get a battle between two characters with similar abilities.```
--JOJOVELLERi'm so confused here
so, araki made the world first, but made it with the idea of star platinum already having timestop?
weary turret
that's the implication
i've always believed it, but despite all my travels through old araki stuff i've never found a source for "The World was going to have every tarot stand power", so now i'm not sure
or at least, i don't remember it
coral sail
I NEVER REALIZED THIS ;-;
charred cobalt
Poor guy
coral sail
That's such a great touch
sick phoenix
Holy hell
limber rover
😦
wintry rampart
strong edge
Wouldn't it like burn a hole in his neck Everytime he faces the sun
orchid veldt
That ain't the red stone of Aja though
weary turret
it's possible, but we can't find a source for it
which is strange, since i've seen it passed around as truth for a while and it would be strange to see that it's just a theory
if that were the case, it wouldn't really be a retcon, because the first wouldn't be the actual in-universe explaination
but, it might not even be true at all, since I can't find a source on it
it might be untranslated, but no one putting the fact foreward has provided a source and JOJOVELLER seems to say otherwise
meager spade
no except for the way they were initially named
weary turret
not really, but araki really DID say that he always thought of hermit purple as a sort of visual hamon
what exactly that means for the stand is unclear. maybe nothing. but it's there
fallen shore
Yeah that’s what I always heard
weary turret
and very early on stands are manifested by clear breathing and such but that's more or less been completely dropped
no such thing implied that. that's people drawing theories from interviews and such
it's possible. but there's very little proof or anything
wanton turret
i'd say araki meant that HP was a representation of Joseph's hamon, not hamon as a whole
which is somewhat basic form of hamon
if ceasar had a stand, i doubt he'd have a stand like hermit purple
ornate merlin
It would be related to bubbles in some way if Caesar had a stand
meager spade
hamon isn't a defining soul trait
wanton turret
yeah exactly
weary turret
hmm... some sort of bubble-based stand...
also a few of those theories revolve around how hamon sendo masters like tompetty can see people's fate by feeling their hamon aura
i've also heard people cite araki for that... i'll check for a source on that some other time
i'm pretty sure he actually said that one
which is interesting, actually, cause this means that joseph is some sort of natural born stand user rather than his stand being awakened by DIO's curse
wintry rampart
Now that i think of it, would Phantom Blood and Battle Tendency have had stands if Araki thought of it earlier?
orchid veldt
Perhaps
fervent ivy
I think so but not on the level that they were as they wouldn't have much of a point
if Jonathan had one I feel it would be much more utility, not exactly hermit purple, but something that isn't humanoid and could aid him
smoky geode
a gun
dense horizon
Stand bullet
burnt zodiac
sutando obaduraibu
flat island
yes, i believe araki might have said that Jonathan would've had some sort of hermit purple too
burnt zodiac
isn't it called The Passion in jorge
flat island
"In the JoJo novel Jorge Joestar, DIO possesses a Stand with the name, The Passion (情熱 Za Passhon). Its appearance is similar to Hermit Purple, but takes the form of a crown of thorns and has the ability to view the past and future of the user's blood relatives"
completely correct
weary turret
[DIO]'s able to use a similar clairvoyance as Joseph because his body is Jonathan's from the neck down.
-JJAGG
The Passion is not explicitly the same stand as HP2
also, no one actually calls it that
burnt zodiac
aight, thanks
sullen oar
Just finished part 3
Another, final question
Where is the “DIO uses hermit purple” part? Never noticed that
orchid veldt
you might have missed it
it's like after the credits of Episode 3
if you didn't wait until after the credits
you probably missed it
well wait
sullen oar
Oh yeah
orchid veldt
he also uses it when Polnareff has his flashback too
so you should have seen it at least once back in Episode 5
sullen oar
I never watch past credits cuz like hell crunchyroll is force feeding me more amazon echo ads
In sets of 3
And I’m too stingy to buy ad free
orchid veldt
yeah, still, should have seen it back in Episode 5 with the Polnareff flashback
that wasn't after the credits
sullen oar
Yeah I probably just didnt notice since I was new to stands and all
Since each watching of a part is blind, never read manga
junior garnet
using Crunchyroll
junior garnet
Any site
sullen oar
I don’t watch anime much, I just like jojo cuz it’s so good
Although I also saw death note and berserk
I guess I’ll look up other sites
near starBOT
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sullen oar
Oh wait I saw that one
Or wait I’m thinking of the end of episode 8, I completely missed that
This might be wrong chat so I’ll move just in case
Someone said parts are named after the protagonists stands
So that might explain part 3’s name
junior garnet
"Star"dust Crusaders because "Star"Platinum
sullen oar
I also heard the star birthmark might be it
weary turret
star"dust" crusaders from The Fool
sullen oar
And I gotta ask
junior garnet
Stardust "Crus"aders because Crus means leg and DIO dies because he kicked
sullen oar
How did Joseph know DIO was dead for his prank at the end if part 3
Did he just guess
sullen oar
Kinda
junior garnet
"Oh, DIO fucking killed me, sending my ghost to heaven, and I'm back
"Obviously, only Jotaro could've brought me back
sullen oar
Like what if Jotaro panicked and off’d him right there
sullen oar
Thats a pretty quick connection to make coming back from the dead
I’d just be like hey I’m alive again
But then again
Yeah Joseph
weary turret
joseph goes to heaven and meets caesar and he says "great to see you, we gotta be quick, here's the plan, this is gonna be great, okay so when jotaro restarts your heart, you gotta
junior garnet
"When Jotaro restarts your heart"
sullen oar
Joseph just got really lucky
junior garnet
I never knew Caesar could see the future
weary turret
he's chillin in heaven