#jojolion

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willow rune
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gappy and norisuke: dying from I am a rock
tsurugi pls open door
tsurugi: no lol

supple totem
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I am a cluster of minerals

willow rune
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best character

kind chasm
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ok

low walrus
minor ore
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well i just finished jojolion

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not finished

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caught up

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i guess

lost slate
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nice

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welcome to the 'wait one month for a chapter' club

minor ore
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nic

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nice

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im kinda already used to it because of dbs

cinder fern
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there needs to be a comprehensive list of every jojolion meme

lost slate
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4 balls (haha funny)
Kira is still obsessed with hands
Soft and Wet's name
Joshu
"Your stand is like your asshole/porn collection”
Beetle Fight
Rocky the rock dog
French fries>fried chicken
50 year old horny 6 year old with a lego house
'JoJolion has no main villain'
'guys Tooru is actually a good person who wants to help everyone out'
89 Years Old

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those are the ones i remember

cinder fern
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DO YOU INTEND TO PURSUE ME???

lost slate
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oh yeah, pursuit

wide flame
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No.

inland oyster
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No cap the Tooru thing is potentially right

lost slate
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also you changed your name sincilla

inland oyster
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He’s trying to make the ultimate medicine

cinder fern
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yes indeed i did

lost slate
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i don't know about that

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the rock humans want money, right?

wide flame
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lokakaka is the medicine. rokakaka is the fruit

kind owlBOT
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@wide flame, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 10 !

inland oyster
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Rock humans want money yeah

wide flame
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yeah money

lost slate
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i wouldn't really say that's 'good' then

cinder fern
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  • Rai’s Ass
  • Gappy’s Boner
  • The Jojo Lion
  • WU NEVER FAILS
wide flame
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its like asking 'humans want money right?' the rock humans dont want only one thing

lost slate
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oh yeah those

inland oyster
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I’ll separate the intention from the action. I’ll take the rokakaka regardless even if he just wants it for money

lost slate
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inb4 wu shows up as the hd's second backup attack

cinder fern
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  • “did you see where his dick went?”
  • Beetle Tendency*
  • DE DODODO DE DADADA
lost slate
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there are actually quite a few jjl memes

inland oyster
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none of them are funny

lost slate
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a few are

cinder fern
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Joshu is really fucking funny

willow rune
lost slate
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mfw my nametag says DocToR

cinder fern
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Joshu is just too good to get stale

inland oyster
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Joshu will become funny if Tooru v Joshu is a thing

minor ore
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Lmfao DocToR

lost slate
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it could happen next chapter

wide flame
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DocToR

cinder fern
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there should be a comprehensive list of every meme from every part

minor ore
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No

lost slate
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the sdc one would be way too long

inland oyster
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I know Jojo’s have super healing but Joshu isn’t injured in the flash forward.

minor ore
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Nightmare

willow rune
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there should be a comprehensive list of every meme from every part
would take far too long

hard meteor
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Man i cant wait for the tooru v joshu fight

inland oyster
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Also isn’t Joshu a Jojo technically speaking?

lost slate
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there are just too many, but it could be interesting

willow rune
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Also isn’t Joshu a Jojo technically speaking?
and jobin i guess idk

cinder fern
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yanno i think i have a fun little game, trying to list off as many memes from a part as you can and the goal isnt to be funny its just to try to list as many as you can from a part

inland oyster
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No

cinder fern
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its like a cringe version of trivia

lost slate
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hmm it could be fun

inland oyster
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A Jojo as an antagonist and a Jojo as a side character let’s goooo

lost slate
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a jojo antagonist would be cool

inland oyster
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Yeah Jobin

cinder fern
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ngl i consider Joshu as a core ally but thats just me

lost slate
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jobin dead though

inland oyster
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Is the Higashikata written differently for JJL

lost slate
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don't think so

inland oyster
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We’ll see about Joshu being a core ally.

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I don’t think he is considering what little he’s done

cinder fern
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like our good guy gang in Part 8 is primarily Gappy, Yasuho, Rai, Joshu imo

inland oyster
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But if he claps Tooru then yes

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Gappy/Yasuho/Rai/Noriuske imo

cinder fern
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joshu will have his time

willow rune
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joshu fights:
cash money man
leaf
what else did he do

inland oyster
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Be a pervert

cinder fern
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be cool

willow rune
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have a good stand

cinder fern
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be a character you initially hate but warm up to as time goes on

lost slate
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yeah, the character development he gets is great

willow rune
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cash money man, aka cash money man for short

ebon rampart
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Only time will tell

minor ore
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Every time Iwasuke is on screen

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"What the dog doin"

rugged frigate
minor ore
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Hahaha

wide flame
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funif

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funif

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smile rock

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poggu sama

minor ore
foggy furnace
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Ahem
Walking heart can defeat Notorious B.I.G

cinder fern
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explain this sorcery

minor ore
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well

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depends

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can Walking Heart slowly extend the heels?

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if so yes

foggy furnace
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So spice girl defeated Notorius B.I.G

cinder fern
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walking heart can probably extend slowly

foggy furnace
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And Vitiman C also has spice girls softening ability

cinder fern
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i feel like walking heart is definitely a stand that can develop a lot further

minor ore
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probably

foggy furnace
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But Walking heart was able to defeat Vitiman C

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Thus Walking heart can defeat Notorious B.I.G

minor ore
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I think it'd be cooler if it can like

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extend all things

cinder fern
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like it could get way stronger like how Heaven’s Door changed from just the manga to being its own form

foggy furnace
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That was a joke of course

cinder fern
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i feel like walking heart is just unexplored

foggy furnace
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yep

willow rune
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poor Tom was 2 years ago

proper hinge
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I wasn’t even born 2 years ago fuck.

minor ore
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poggu sama
@wide flame yes?

wide flame
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yes

minor ore
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Whi tf are you lazy

inland oyster
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Why do you guys keep spamming that quote

minor ore
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*who

wide flame
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😩

inland oyster
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Funny

proper hinge
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Ok nerd.

minor ore
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Here

willow rune
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what would happen if you put les feuilles in a circle

wide flame
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no

willow rune
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yes

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i need answers

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would they go to the brazil

minor ore
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is wonder of u's ability to cause objects to crash into you?

snow heron
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It causes calamities to occur to anyone who chases the Head Doctor

restive mortar
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so i have an idea to the ending of this arc: ||tooru gets to the glass box where the new rokakaka is, and when he opens it, born this way appears from behind him, and ded||

willow rune
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joshu uses nut king call to take apart the space between him and tooru

restive mortar
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nah he uses it to take apart the link between headdoctor and his baility

dire temple
restive mortar
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it's basically insane luck

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that you sometimes get the choice to change

noble haven
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can araki learn how to explain shit plz
@dire temple can YOU learn how to read

dire temple
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i know how to read

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i dont understand how multiple identical doors with vestige explains pp's ability

hard meteor
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its not an explanation per say its a metaphor

inland oyster
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I'm not sure this even makes sense as a metaphor honestly

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My interpretation was that it was sort of like going through the interwebs n shit?

hard meteor
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yeah thats what it does for the most part

willow rune
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aisho: vibin
tsurugi and yasuho: no

frozen charm
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@minor ore I'm gonna cause a calamity to colide into your mom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

heavy ledge
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paisley parks ability is to achieve the best solution to a problem in order to protect or serve the user's desires, and tho there might seem there are many possible ways which may or may not lead to success, the correct answer is only one

viral plume
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Wait, but why is it able to manipulate technology that wouldnt have any impact to that solution? Like the cameras in wonder of u?

heavy ledge
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it works through electronics

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you could say its main ability is guidance the secondary ability is retrieving info and "hacking"

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if you dont have a phone or notebook it doesnt seem paisley can tell you what to do

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it's supportive

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represents yasuho's will to help others

viral plume
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Hmmmmm]

supple totem
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It doesn't really guide anymore

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It just controlls electronics

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And can hack

frozen charm
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Hack man

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Black man

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You're kindve a hack, man

supple totem
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And tbh

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That guidance ability was kinda broken

frozen charm
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Yeah

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But it can grab stuff and use the surrounding area to guide you

supple totem
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I mean. Soft and wet could also guide you in a way

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Lets say your lost

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And then theres a bubble

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The bubble floats towards a light or an exit

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And boom you have been guided by soft and wet

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In a way.

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Old paisly park was the same as Heya

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It told you what to do and u would be good

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I'm reffering to the born thid way fight

heavy ledge
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i dont think it was discarded tho because following that logic soft and wets plunder was retconned to

supple totem
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I guess

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The only way paisly park guides you now

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Is through getting mostly illegal internet information

errant tiger
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yes

heavy ledge
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like me

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no wait, fbi it was a joke!

gloomy reef
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lets say, hypothetically, Do do do de da da da

azure canopy
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is all I want to say to you

dusty kindle
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Joey Joey's Lion

minor ore
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so i have an idea to the ending of this arc: ||tooru gets to the glass box where the new rokakaka is, and when he opens it, born this way appears from behind him, and ded||
@restive mortar I know that this is kind of a joke but it literally can't happen because Joshu has the Rokakaka in his hands

hard meteor
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Yeah and while I want born this way back in action, Joshu vs tooru needs to happen

lost slate
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yeah

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hopefully we'll get it next chapter

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which is in like 20 days joshunut

low walrus
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so i have an idea to the ending of this arc: ||tooru gets to the glass box where the new rokakaka is, and when he opens it, born this way appears from behind him, and ded||
@restive mortar what if tho

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what if WONDER OF U wasn't toorus stand

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and he just liked elvis

lost slate
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would be a pretty wondrous coincidence

simple kraken
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wonder of u just exists

lost slate
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in that case, maybe akefu satoru is a real person, and his stand is like a suit

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that gives him the abilities of calamity and illusion

minor ore
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And he's buddies with tooru

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But no

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Like the cover for chapter 99

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Literally has wonder of U standing besides tooru like a stand would and tooru can see through wou so yeah no

low walrus
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satoru is just holding a camera

minor ore
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Yo funny man look at my camera feed

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Hmm sailor sit on chair hahaha

lost slate
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actually thinking about it, i can't believe that tooru called out his stand just to take a photo with mitsuba

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can't believe he was that dedicated to fooling yasuho

proper hinge
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I mean he is insanely cool.

minor ore
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I guess his stand is the one doing all yhe operations in the hospital so yeah it would be logical to take these pictures

finite wadi
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I wonder if the “New Rokakaka” can give a stand to someone that wouldn’t otherwise be worthy of one?

quiet spear
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Yo is chapter 100 the latest one?

white beacon
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Yes

quiet spear
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aight thanks

rich elk
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Hi

foggy furnace
ebon rampart
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Lol

frozen charm
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Wonder of ben

low walrus
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let's say, theoretically, you viewed my back. surely this would, of course, make you "pursuing" me. let's say you were "Pursuing" me. by this logic, "Calamity" should have to strike, right? if "Calamity" were to strike, you would, of course, be harmed. You with me so far? if "calamity" were to strike, it would only do so by pursuing me, yes? So, in this situation, with you not "Pursuing" me, i really do not know what will happen.

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let's say, for the sake of argument, the flow of calamity is real. surely you can simply not pursue me? liberals #OWNED with #FACTS and #LOGIC

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in this scenario, with "Calamity" striking, this would surely be "The Wonder Of Ben", yes?

minor ore
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Halal

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my english too bad for these memes

minor ore
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Persue deez nuts

burnt pagoda
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a new chappy to make the gappy happy? GappyNut

faint holly
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I guess so

kind chasm
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wait for a month

faint holly
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If a new chappy will make you happy then so be it

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It's less than a month now

minor ore
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20 days iirc

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GIVE IT UP FOR DAY 20

minor ore
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Father I don't believe in God

proper hinge
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So how am I supposed to plane?

wide flame
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you are still awake?

low walrus
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me?

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fuck yes

proper hinge
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No me.

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I shouldn’t be but.

kind chasm
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ok

low walrus
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go to sleep

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dumb bitch

proper hinge
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Uhm no.

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I mean I’m some how really not tired and it’s 5:53 am like smh my shaking head.

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And that’s your fault.

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Give me sloopy droog.

wide flame
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my fault?

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why

kind chasm
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ok

proper hinge
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Well I’ll actually try to sleep now hopefully see you like 4 hours if my alarm actually decides to make sounds.

kind chasm
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?ban @proper hinge

proper hinge
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Uh why?

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And nokay"

wide flame
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see you

kind chasm
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bye

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gn

proper hinge
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Fuc.

winter ridge
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Trouble's gone and time is on my side
Living in my ordinary shoes
Walkin` off my ordinary blues

Once upon a love so bright and true
The weather changed he went to Sunday School
Once upon a dark and stormy day
The promises dried up and blew away

I found myself a brand new neighborhood
Don't worry bout me `cause I'm walking good
I'll take tomorrow I'm giving up the past
Nothing but a hobo walking good at last

Anyway, I'm okay
Day into night and night into day
Gone so far away from my home
Take the high road and damn the low

Anyway, I'm okay
Day into night and night into day
Gone so far away from my home
Take the high road and damn the low```
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the lyrics to Walking Good by Heart

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they really have a lot of literal and metaphorical connections to her helping to kill Damo

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like literally talking about being on a bridge above the water, and 'high road, damn the low' (standing on the roof and stabbing him from above)

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and also talking about being lied to by a partner

willow rune
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“Ordinary shoes”
I don’t think so

minor ore
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i always read the color version of jojo but some stuff is just weird to me i mean

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i really wish they would actually give speed king a color palate

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instead of just only red

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just so fucking lame

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even the hat is red

simple kraken
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he is heat

faint holly
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Never knew that high heels can kill

analog skiff
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Y'all know what's the biggest missed naming opportunity

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If Rai mamezuku references snoop dogg

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Naming urban guerilla instead Dr. Dre

wind scroll
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Jesus, sometimes I think about what Gappy probably thought during the California King Bed arc. I can imagine him being like, “Daiya, I already have amnesia wtf”

willow rune
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this is...
AMNESIA REQUIEM

still hornet
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You know

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Wonder Of U and Bites The Dust are kind of similar, in the fact that they both activate when someone wants to find out about the user, and tries to stop whoever wants to find out

noble haven
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yea

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that's what I thought too a few months ago

minor ore
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Gappy is probably the most expressive jojo literally ever

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He is on a rollar coaster of emotions constantly. One page he'll be laughing and having a good time next page man is having a full mental breakdown

frozen charm
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Yeah

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He's always seemed the most human to me

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All the other JoJo's are rather gloomy other than jonathan, joseph and josuke

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I mean in the later chapters josuke is rather gloomy but

willow rune
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I mean in the later chapters josuke is rather gloomy but
understandable considering bites the dust

frozen charm
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Also gappy becomes kinda gloomy

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Because he must save mom

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And everyone's dying

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What if I ate 50 rokakakas

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Then drank 50 locacaca 6251

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Fortnite Shield potion is just locacaca 6251

willow rune
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Fortnite Shield potion is just locacaca 6251
@frozen charm why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?

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I mean it’s true but still

frozen charm
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My brain just

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Smooth

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My brain smooth

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I think

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But

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Smart thoughts just don't come out

willow rune
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you did an equivalent exchange with your intelligence for a stand

frozen charm
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Awesome

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My stand is wonder of dirty killer king snake world done dirt cheap

willow rune
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in heaven

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requiem

minor ore
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Eoah guys remember Fortnite

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It used to be fun

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And yes the theoretical perfected locacaca 6251 is just a shield potion. Magical healing abilities and no equivalent exchange

minor ore
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ALSO

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CHAT

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I REVIVE THEE

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Nice cock

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Queen just ate a fly ong

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What?

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Cat

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She ate a fly ew

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did you name your cat after the stand or the band or neither?

minor ore
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Stand haha

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But she has two names but queen really is only a nickname

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Her real name is Ziggy like Ziggy stardust

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Best cat name

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@minor ore does your cat have anisocoria?

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No but her eye colors are slightly different

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Thats close enough

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It's hard to catch on camera but one is darker than the other

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Do you mind sending a picture somewhere?

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Oh not at all. I could dm you

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Jojo made me bisexual i think

proper hinge
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Yeah me too.

heavy ledge
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No one cares but my cat has one blue eye and one green eye so we named her gappy

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Not sure whether its a kitty of the land or the sea

proper hinge
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Cute.

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I’d assume it’s a dat of the land.

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I’m not sure there are cats of the sea or water.

simple kraken
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who knows, it might break precedent and become a cat of both the land and the sea

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surfer cat

analog skiff
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And they'll have fun fun fun till their owner takes the cat toy away

viral plume
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After playing last of us 2...I want soft and wet to pound a person to death with a golfclub now. We got him smashing a woman to shit with a shovel, now we need him to smash a woman to shit with a golfclub

rose kraken
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What the hell

noble haven
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After playing last of us 2...I want soft and wet to pound a person to death with a golfclub now. We got him smashing a woman to shit with a shovel, now we need him to smash a woman to shit with a golfclub
@viral plume TLOU2 isn't that bad lol

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Most of the people who hate TLOU2 are LGBTphobic like unironically

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the ones who are lgbtphobic are also the ones who didn't play the game

viral plume
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Yeah, thats just a fucking lie

low walrus
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maxsus literally all i have seen you do on this server is get into arguments

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fucking stupid arguments too

viral plume
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I mean, I thought allot of them were pretty productive

noble haven
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Abby is hated by people in the gaming community because of her muscular appearance

viral plume
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Like the objectivity one with she-ra, I thought that one was pretty fucking good

noble haven
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Since gamers only want females with BIG BOOBIES in games

low walrus
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huss that's a generalisation

viral plume
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I mean, that and the fact she murdered one of the most beloved characters in gaming in one of the worst written ways possible

upper knoll
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ture true

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big bazookas = good

low walrus
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@viral plume DONT READ PART 6

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YOURE GONNA BE SO MAD ABOUT JOTARO

viral plume
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I have read all of jojo

low walrus
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DONT READ PART 8

viral plume
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Dude, im posting in jojolion chat

noble haven
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MUH MUH JOEL

low walrus
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YOURE GONNA BE SO MAD ABOUT JOHNYY

noble haven
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Hating a character because they killed a character just doesn't make any fucking sense

low walrus
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anyways as i was saying

viral plume
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No, huss, no one has an issue with the idea of joel dying in general, its the execution

noble haven
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You sure?

low walrus
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the really vocal TLOU2 haters are just incels

viral plume
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YES!!!

low walrus
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but i don't like tlou2 because it's a second the last of us

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and i wasnt a fan of the first one

noble haven
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I see a lot of reviews on it of people saying "NOOOOOOO WHY DID THEY KILL JOEL I HATE THIS THIS GAME SUCKS"

low walrus
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but im not screaming about womyn have muskel on twitter

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"neil cuckmann personally killed my uncle jobel"

viral plume
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Wait...

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Did my message get fucking deleted?

low walrus
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yeah

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that is what happened

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did you say a slur

viral plume
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I have spoken with a fuckton of people who hate the game and the main complaint is the execution and how it turns joel into an idiot to get him killed

low walrus
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joel was an idiot lmao

viral plume
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Oooooh, tard is a slur, didnt know that

low walrus
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he sacrificed all of humanity because he didnt want to lose ellie

viral plume
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No, he isnt, you havent played the first game if you say that

noble haven
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WHAT

NO N O N O N O OOOOOOO WHAT THE EHLLL WHY AM PLAYING AS ABBY WHAAAAAAAT SHE KILLED JOEL I HATE THIS

low walrus
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he just trusted some dudes that their hideout was safe

noble haven
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MY DADDY DIED OOOOO

viral plume
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There are hundreds of reasons why that was both in character and why the fireflies are really stupid in thinking that was gonna work

low walrus
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also people make mistakes

noble haven
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lol TLOU2's initial response reminds me of MGS2

low walrus
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if you've fought off a massive horde of zombies with someone

noble haven
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MGS2 was hated just like this

low walrus
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you would trust them enough to give them your name

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surely

viral plume
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People make mistaked IN CHARACTER!!! Joel is incredibly untrustworthy with new people in the first game and there is no reason why he would change to just talk with those people as if they were friends.

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That together with the fact that Tommy was insanely sus of joel in the first game, but is apparently just chatting with them

low walrus
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hes spent years living in a safe community

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it's like being mad about 6!jotaro not having the fighting reflexes of 3!jotaro

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or 8!johnny sacrificing himself when 7!johnny was a selfish prick

viral plume
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Not only that, joel is apparently surprised that his name is known to abbys group, when it would have been well known in every fireflies community in the first game, after his choise

low walrus
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anyways the whole point of the death is you're supposed to hate abby

viral plume
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That and how Abby does not at all consider the fact that the man who killed her father saved her life

low walrus
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that is the plot

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that is literally the plot of the game

viral plume
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Yeah, the plot in the first game is pretty good

low walrus
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you are supposed to be mad at someone

viral plume
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The plot in the second is garbage

noble haven
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the revenge plot in the 2nd one is so ass

low walrus
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tru

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but to say the death was out of nowhere is stupid

viral plume
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It makes no sense whatsoever why Ellie let Abby live

low walrus
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its literally the plot

viral plume
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No, I am complaining how it makes no sense for any of the characters to get into the positions they did

low walrus
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the whole point of that is that ellie wouldn't sink to abby's level

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abby killed joel for killing abby's joel

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ellie wouldn't kill abby in revenge

noble haven
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aside from the lgbtphobia one of the main complaints as well is that joel died and people were just too attached to him

low walrus
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because it'd only repeat the cycle

viral plume
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Yeah, and what made her change her way?

low walrus
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idk being a decent person?

viral plume
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No, if ellie killed Abby, the cycle would literally end

low walrus
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abby had people who cared about her

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one of them would hunt down ellie

viral plume
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HAD

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There would be no way to trace it back to ellie

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She would be dead in the water, her body probably swollen from the water coming in, there would be no way to prove ellie killed her there

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That and ellies journey was entirely to hammer home that abby absolutely is a bitch and deserves to die

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But then we get deus ex flashback and uwu owo ill let you live now

low walrus
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"hmmm this person has been blazing a trail of death and murder to abby i wonder who would have killed abby at the same point this trail reached abby"

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"i guess we may never know"

viral plume
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All of abbies friends have either left her or are dead, I dont see how it could tie to ellie at all, if her body even gets found

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I would expect the body to be found REALLY late after her death and then she would have just swollen up from all the water coming in. That together with her muscle degration, it would be more likely to conclude she just drowned. Killing abby would not only be in character for ellie, it would leave her completely safe

low walrus
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this conversation is getting derailed

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you were mad about joel dying right?

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that is the point

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you are supposed to be mad

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that is how plot works

viral plume
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Dude, im fine with getting mad over joels death, if it makes sense in the narrative and it fucking didnt

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Did you read what I said?

low walrus
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how does it not make sense in the narrative

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not everyone has a glorious death

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people just.... die.

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no blaze of glory, no meaningful last words

ebon rampart
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Whose Joel?

low walrus
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not even an honorable death

kind owlBOT
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@ebon rampart, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 37 !

viral plume
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You are actually just strawmanning my position

low walrus
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joel jo from jojolion

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your position is "it doesnt make sense in narrative"

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you have not elaborated on how

viral plume
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Did you not read what I said about joel acting out of character?

low walrus
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people change, it's been 5 years since TLOU1

heavy ledge
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the hell is going on in here

viral plume
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We have to see that change, my man

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This is fuckign character assasination

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Its luke from tlj all over again

low walrus
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was part 6 jotaro a character assasination?

viral plume
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I dont...why are we shifting it to jotaro?

low walrus
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part 3 jotaro wouldn't have saved jolyne he would've killed jolyne

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WHAT GIVES ARAKI

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YOU CANT EVEN WRITE YOUR FUCKING CHARACTER

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IDIOT

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ARAKI FORGOT

viral plume
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This is whataboutism, I dont care about jojo rn, we are talking about joel

low walrus
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the point im making is

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people arent the same person for all of their life

ebon rampart
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the hell is going on in here
@heavy ledge they’re talking about tlou in a jojolion channel for some reason

viral plume
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Yeah, and we have to see their change in character

low walrus
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wdym see

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you want us to watch joel fuck around for 5 years?

viral plume
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No, I want to know why he is trust worthy with people all of a sudden

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Its insanely out of character for him to just be cool with these people

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There are even patrols ffs to keep outsiders and clickers at bay

low walrus
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maybe after living in 5 years of almost safety he got a bit soft

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perhaps?

viral plume
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Im sorry, but if I see myself become a fucking murderer in ten years, I ABSOLUTELY want to know how I changed

kind owlBOT
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@viral plume, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 11 !

viral plume
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Yeah, nice theory, not in the game though

low walrus
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jotaro coming to care about jolyne wasn't in the manga and yet you are not going on a rant about jotaro in part 6 being a character assasination

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we don't see johnny's life after the steel ball run but you arent mad about him growing as a person in part 8

viral plume
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Why do you keep putting this to fuckign JOTARO

low walrus
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BECAUSE

viral plume
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You are actually just putting in whataboutism

low walrus
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IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF CHARACTER GROWTH OUTSIDE OF THE SOURCE

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THAT WE BOTH HAVE READ

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we're in a jojo server, i'm trying to break common ground

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we have both read part 6

viral plume
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Ok, you seen star wars the last jedi? If you wanna bring up irelavant shit, so am I

low walrus
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yeah

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i have

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loved it

viral plume
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You understand the fact luke is acting incredibly differently than he does in the original trilogy?

low walrus
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except for leia just flying that was stupid

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yes i do

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it's been thirty four years

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since the original trilogy

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if you think someone is gonna be the exact same person as they were 34 years ago that's a problem with you

viral plume
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And I REPEAT: we have to see how and why they have changed as a character, otherwise the audience gets fucking whiplash

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I would use that as a prime example of character assasination. What we have in the ot is him sparing the life of the second most evil person in the galaxy, that threatened and could have turned his sister to evil. But now in episode 8, he choses to kill his nephew over a dream he has of killing his loved ones. These are two entirely different people

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If we are gonna have a character literally flip in personality, we have to see how that occurs

low walrus
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in the kylo scene luke couldn't bring himself to kill him

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like with vader

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he brought the saber next to vader but couldnt make the final swing

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with kylo

viral plume
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No, he thought of it and took action to do so

low walrus
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he couldn't ignite it

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or wait no

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he couldnt kill kylo

viral plume
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He absolutely had the intent to kill him for over ten seconds, which is already massively out of character

low walrus
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luke had the intent to kill darth vader for the first 2 movies and 2 thirds of the third movie

viral plume
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Oh my fucking christ, no he did not, he possibly did want vader dead in the first two, but he solely tried to convert him back to the light in the third

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Until he lost his composure because vader chose to threaten his familly

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Which is NOT at all an empty threat, vader is insanely powerful

low walrus
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did you watch the same movie as me

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luke mortally wounded vader in the death star 2

noble haven
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star wars sucks idk what y'all arguing about

viral plume
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Mortally wounded? No, he just cut off his arm after he lost his composure

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His robot arm

low walrus
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ah shit yeah my bad

viral plume
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Palpentine mortally wounded vader

low walrus
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sorry yeah that was my mistake

viral plume
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Its fine, dont worry

low walrus
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btw can we talk about how cool the robot arm scene is

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luke cuts off vader's robo arm and looks at his own robo arm

viral plume
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Oh DUDE!!! How he looks at his own hand and just sees the reflection of himself and realises not to kill his dad

low walrus
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and it reminds him vader was his own dad

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yeah that shit was sick

viral plume
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That scene also ties back to the fucking dagobah cave scene, where we see vaders mask explode and luke is there

low walrus
#

yeah

viral plume
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He was actually becoming vader in that moment, but stopped himself and resolved to not fight against palpetine

#

Its so fucking good

low walrus
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yeah it is

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and the retroactive throwback to the prequels

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where anakin is the one watching palp mortally wound someone with lightning

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and luke is the same

viral plume
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BUT, the kylo ren scene did not get nearly enough care as that scene did. Kylo was a far weaker person than luke and was sleeping. Not at all a threat to luke. Yet he still loses his composure, which is insanely weird for him to do, based on the scene with vader. Its genuinly an example of character assasination, because this isnt the same person anymore. And if you still wanna pull the 34 years card: if I see myself become a bloodthirsty murderer in 34 years, I would absolutely want to know why I changed to that. Which we do not get in the last jedi, which is why so many people hated that change in character

low walrus
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to me when i watched that scene

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luke was clearly having an internal battle

noble haven
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🤡: people who watch star wars in chronological order

low walrus
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huss fuck off

noble haven
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watch in release date order

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never chronological

viral plume
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I mean, luke was pretty fucking deadset on killing him in that moment.

low walrus
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it wasn't pulled off as well as the OT

viral plume
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It wasnt pulled off well at all lul

low walrus
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because nobody is ever as good as georgie boy

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but like

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until luke had his arm moment he was willing to kill darth vader

viral plume
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NOPE

low walrus
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until luke realised he was killing a fucking sleeping child

viral plume
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First half of 6 disproves that

low walrus
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he was willing to kill kylo

viral plume
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Yes, which is insanely out of character

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Thats my complaint, he is killing a non threat over the possibility of people dying. Wouldnt it be more in character for an aged luke to sit down, wake kylo up and have a chat?

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That would have been a real maturing of that side of him

low walrus
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please note how he did not kill kylo

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and if kylo didnt wake up he probably wouldve done so

viral plume
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My entire complaint was that he even considered it

low walrus
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(the talk not the killing)

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and it AGAIN ties back to the prequels. anakin saw visions of bad shit and turned to the dark side because of it, luke saw visions of bad shit and was going to turn to the dark side because of it

viral plume
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This ties back to Joel and tommy. We have them being incredibly sus of people he doesnt know and it taking a LOOOOOng time for people to break their shell and be trustworthy to him. This is them until the very end of the last of us. We then get them in tlou2 and they are carefreely chatting with all of these people that they do not know and could absolutely be a threat to them. That is another example of character assasination

low walrus
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but because luke is at his core still the man who spared vader

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he couldn't commit to it

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joel wasn't even the one who told abby his name

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he's more relaxed around people but he still didn't tell them anything he didn't need to

viral plume
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forgot to add that tommy also falls under this

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The fact he even had the thought is character assasination, because Vader was a massive threat and someone who can just carry out said threat with great success. Kylo is a kid sleeping in his bed having bad dreams.

#

Yes, hes relaxed around people he trusts, so is he in the first game

low walrus
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you keep saying character assasination, i do not think it means what you think it means

viral plume
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He doesnt know abbies group, he should be really cold with them

low walrus
#

usually he would've been yeah but they saved eachothers asses

viral plume
low walrus
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if they just met while he was on a regular patrol he would've told them to fuck off

viral plume
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Its a very basic video to get you to understand what I mean

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only 20 minutes, dude who made it is very cool

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If I want to tie character assasination to jojo, id just mention avdol after he comes back during judgement.

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if they just met while he was on a regular patrol he would've told them to fuck off
@low walrus Yeah...why dont he now? Cause he saved a randos life, in his eyes? That rando would just be another person to him. He would thank them for their help and just LEAVE with tommy

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Their names would never have even been uttered, even, which is an issue I have with the zombie horde

inland oyster
#

Did y’all just have a Star Wars debate in Jojolion

azure bear
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wait question im not sure about, jojolion is also in the bizarre summer of 1999 right?

low walrus
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no

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its in 2011

azure bear
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Oh thats right, I forgot

viral plume
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Ye, we did, it was fucking pog

inland oyster
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Shameful!

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Only Star Wars that matters is OT and KOTOR 😎

viral plume
#

It just evolved into a discussion, I mentioned that we need Soft & Wet to beat a woman with a golfclub and we got into a whooooole discussion about character assasination from that

minor ore
#

Sometimes this chat is actual smart discussions and other times this chat is an actual dumpster fire

inland oyster
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We have nothing to talk about

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😔

viral plume
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Yeah, bubble is spin...

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Thats about all I can think of when it comes to current jojolion discusion

inland oyster
#

All I have to say is that spin has the possibility of being really stupid and unnecessary

viral plume
#

What?

inland oyster
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Since it’s supposedly coming back, I’m not confident in it being written well

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I liked how JJL didn’t borrow anything huge from SBR, and I feel spin is just gonna be a nonsense asspull because WOU is too broken

viral plume
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Nonsense asspull? It was already set up that the bubbles were spinning lines and that there was a stronger abbility tied to it, we now know its a spin, it makes sense with the fact the lines were spinning and its a previously established power, I think it works greatly

lost slate
#

yeah

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it sorta makes sense that josuke knows the spin (and it was actually foreshadowed well)

inland oyster
#

We got 1 hint at it which doesn’t necessarily imply the spin completely. We just know the bubbles are a bunch of strings spinning rapidly.

#

It makes a little sense but I’m gonna be disappointed if the spin is reintroduced as the main power again.

near cedar
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Nonsense asspull? It was already set up that the bubbles were spinning lines and that there was a stronger abbility tied to it, we now know its a spin, it makes sense with the fact the lines were spinning and its a previously established power, I think it works greatly
@viral plume you need to learn the spin tho

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Which Josuke didn't

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So it'd be stupid

viral plume
#

I guess we are gonna get more info on the spin

near cedar
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If it's ah yes I cam use speen now

viral plume
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I feel we are gonna get a well reasoned explanation why he has the spin, I have faith in araki

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He has done so fucking well with Gappy so far, I trust that he will make this make sense

inland oyster
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Araki is a FRAUD I refuse to trust him with my monthly fiction

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Idk I don’t get how you’d make Rai knowing the spin be satisfying and make sense. We all know how stupid it would be if he’s somehow a descendant of the Zeppeli’s

viral plume
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Dude, Rai has been around town, I think he probably did research on the steel ball run and found out about the spin, possibly even chat with familly of johnny

inland oyster
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The spin’s only passed down and taught in the Zeppeli’s and it isn’t implied anyone in the Joestar lineage actually knows it.

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Also how would you learn such a thing from just reading it, you’d need a teacher for that

viral plume
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Well, its not implied for the familly we know of right now, in the decendant tree, there are familly members that havent showed up

#

I might even think that Rai went to italy to not only learn more about plants and fruits, but also possibly to learn more about the spin

inland oyster
#

It could be like Will’s journey of Hamon. He just came across a descendant of the Zeppeli’s and learned it, which would still be kind of stupid but whatever

viral plume
#

Why would it be stupid?

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You can easily have it make sense with the idea that the zeppilis might have even used the spin to change plant structure, which would interest rai as a fruit parlor

#

There is so much potential here

inland oyster
#

It’d be very conveniently for the fight. ‘Yeah we’re both about to die but don’t worry Josuke. Insert some flashback I know about the 1 thing that can blow this stand to hell!’

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There’s a lot of potential I agree

viral plume
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No, I dont think its conveniant, because rai already knew of the spinning lines

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This would be consistent with what came before

inland oyster
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No it wouldn’t? That scene at the guerrilla fight didn’t imply Rai knew the spin, he just noticed the bubbles were strings spinning at high speeds.

low walrus
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yeah ^

viral plume
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It would use the spinning string as a baseline to reveal that its the spin

low walrus
#

i can see gyro's ball spinning and go "that shit spinning" without being a spin master

inland oyster
#

The spinning bubbles was established, which is fine and don’t have a problem with

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If Araki’s gonna make it tie back to the Zeppeli’s I’d be disappointed with the 0 buildup we get for it

viral plume
#

I guess we'll wait and see, I absolutely think it could work and could make complete sense within the narrative

lost slate
#

yeah, anything could happen at this point

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i'm really excited if it's spin but i hope there's a good explanation for it

minor ore
#

Soft and Wet is easily one of the best main JoJo stands

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So powerful

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And versatile

viral plume
#

I just want it to use plunder more in the manga

minor ore
#

I was so dead set on sbr staying my favorite, then funky man came from ground

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Like sbr is really good but jjl hits different

zenith tangle
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If jojolion end strong, for me it'll be better than sbr

dense flax
#

Yeah, it’d be awesome if Araki one upped himself with part 8

#

He’s doing great so far

minor ore
#

I'm probably more attached to jjl characters than sbr but hnghn Mountain Timexplode

willow rune
#

ocean man Kira why do I keep thinking your pfp is rai

frozen charm
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Because it is rai

minor ore
#

I just want it to use plunder more in the manga
@viral plume I mean the last time he used it was the Doctor Wu fight which was like 17 chapters ago

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He could still use it again

viral plume
#

Was that plunder though?

minor ore
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Yes

viral plume
#

That just seemed to be using the bubbles as a vessel to carry the cement to doctor wu

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Or are you referring to something else

minor ore
#

He plundered the aspects of cement and applied it to his bubbles

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Whenever he plunders a physical object they mix with his bubbles

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Just like when he plundered the hair from the cat

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He did the same with cement to trap Wu

viral plume
#

Oh yeah, same as when he shaved

minor ore
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Yeah

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It’s extremely subtle

#

I’m surprised they didn’t point it out more

viral plume
#

I wonder if that made him choke to death

minor ore
#

Probably not

#

He just trapped there

viral plume
#

I would think the cement would make him esphixiate, same way as with i am a rocks stand user

minor ore
#

Why didnt Josuke float a bubble up to De Do Do Do De Da Da Da and blow his ass up

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True Yotsuyu drowned

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It was good seeing Araki bring back bubble bombs in chapter 100

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We have hope for plunder

viral plume
#

I mean, that was a bit annoying, that he didnt plunder the asbestos coming out of his body

minor ore
#

Josuke is unable to use plunder on himself

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He says that in the soft and wet arc

viral plume
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Wait, then how did he plunder the hair on his chin when he shaved

minor ore
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I’m pretty sure it’s no longer considered a part of him

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Just like when Josuke 4 healed his dry blood

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He plundered the already shaved hair

viral plume
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No, he also plundered hair that was on the rest of his chin, it seems

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He did one stroke and it was all bubbled up

minor ore
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I’ll find the panels

kind owlBOT
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@minor ore, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 3 !

minor ore
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Yay

viral plume
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Not only that, but the asbestos is from d8, not Gappys

minor ore
#

Look at bottom right

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He shaves it all off then plunders the shavings

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Not only that, but the asbestos is from d8, not Gappys
@viral plume Neither was the snake venom

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It’s inside his body so he couldn’t plunder it

viral plume
#

Snake venom?

minor ore
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Yes

#

In the soft and wet arc one of Ojiro’s snakes bite josuke

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He’s weakened by the venom then comments that he’s unable to plunder the venom from himself

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Right here

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I suppose he could steal the bits dripping from his wound but that wouldn’t do much

viral plume
#

Oh, if he can steal the bits that are dripping from his wounds, wouldnt that mean he can also bubble up the asbestos coming out of his body?

minor ore
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I suppose

frozen charm
#

Josuke will steal your penis

minor ore
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I’m not 100% sure if he could steal the dripping bits

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That’s just my suggestion

viral plume
#

I would expect he could. It just seemed really weird to that during Wonder of U he never even attempted to just yeet the asbestos

minor ore
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Oh well we’ve already seen plunder

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Bubble bombs far more interesting imo

viral plume
#

Bubble bombs just seem like mini creams

rich elk
#

Hu

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Hewwo

minor ore
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Nah they full on explode

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They can destroy large areas

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Blow up the entire room

willow rune
#

bubble bombs are mini boom creams

rich elk
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-_-

minor ore
willow rune
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they blow up the whole white room

minor ore
#

I wouldn’t say cream

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Cream erases shit

#

Soft and Wet’s bombs are literally the same as Killer Queen’s

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They function the same

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They go boom boom

wind scroll
#

I don’t know why but Tooru reminds me a lot like Doppio

minor ore
#

Why is this banned?

#

19 days jojoheads

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GIVE IT UP FOR DAY 19

faint holly
#

Un-amused: Yay. 19 days. Woohoo. monotone

minor ore
#

No nut november is a month off

minor ore
#

Beter start wacking it to jojolion shit

faint holly
#

For sure. For sure

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Gotta use up all of that secretion

minor ore
#

Yes

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So it can recharge

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And be ready for

faint holly
#

Recharge and then do it again

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And again. And again. And again

minor ore
#

Dick December

ember light
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thats the month where guys have dicks

faint holly
#

We're all dicks

minor ore
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Correction *when guys beat thier dick every day vigorously

faint holly
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Oh?? You meant the reproductive organ???

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Uh hehehehe

minor ore
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Uh hehehehe

ember light
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Correction *when guys beat thier dick every day vigorously
bruh december just sounds like every other month

minor ore
#

Agreed

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I promise i will turn back to josuke in nnn

faint holly
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Do you remember? The 21st night of ........

ember light
#

no

low walrus
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guys? with dicks?

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fuck off

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but honestly

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who has a dick

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nobody

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thats why josuk8 is weird

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cuz he has a cock

faint holly
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Josuk8 has "4 balls and a rod"

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At least that's how Yasuhoe described it

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I love how their first interaction was her looking at his crotch.

low walrus
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yeah everyone has 4 balls

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its the rod that was shocking

frozen charm
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yeah

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so she said rod

#

does that mean josuke has lengthy pen15

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kind chasm
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brih

frozen charm
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jojo sucks

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imagine liking jojo

ember light
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ew

frozen charm
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@kind chasm your manga is bad

kind chasm
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:(

frozen charm
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i hate joe joe

simple kraken
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Araki is sexist????

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jojo is over party

inland oyster
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Can born this way counter wonder of u

wide flame
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the user of born this way has to touch the target

frozen charm
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no

wide flame
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yes

frozen charm
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maybe

wide flame
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not maybe

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he have to

frozen charm
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me waitinge for miliagro womand

wide flame
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mistyped she*

wide flame
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yeah..?

ebon crown
kind chasm
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where is milagro woman @araki
@frozen charm part 11

wide flame
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tanks

frozen charm
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Awesome

minor ore
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Tell Rohan fem Koichi is real

upper knoll
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ok scatterix comin in with textless when the

minor ore
#

The next jojo

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Pe and ter can both be read as jo in kanji

willow rune
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so its jojo griffin

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hey lois im a stand user!

noble haven
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I believe in Wonder of U supremacy

minor ore
#

hey Lois I am the mc of some random Japanese cartoon

low walrus
#

STAND USER: [JOJO GRIFFIN]
STAND NAME: [THE BIRD (HAVE YOU HEARD?)]

frozen charm
#

ABILITY: GIVES THE USER AND ANYONE EFFECTED BY IT'S ABILITY INFINITE SEX

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jojo

minor ore
#

Jojo

frozen charm
#

im gonna rewrite sbr but joshu replaces johnny

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🎅🏿

soft raptor
#

Man I miss Jojolion

frozen charm
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use emperor crimeson to skip 1 month

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then boom

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joe joe leone

faint holly
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Is Jojolion the best jojo part?

hard meteor
faint holly
minor ore
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Big ugly

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He looks like a thumb with a cyst on the tip

hard meteor
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Damo disrespect? shameful

gloomy reef
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where tf is the lion in Jojolion?

willow rune
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iwasuke

minor ore
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The lion is actually SPOILERS
||the JoJo||

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||it's why it's a jojolion||

dusty kindle
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The real Jojo Lion was the friends we made along the way

heavy ledge
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Id have smashed damos head on the ground myself if i had the chance

frozen charm
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I will eliminate anyone who looks like damo

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Deadly queen

minor ore
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18 days

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11 hours

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Damo literally built so different it makes me feel sad for him

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Damoki Tome

minor ore
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YOUR HEART IS SOFT, AND WET.

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prince moment

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Oh

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I always thought the lyrics where

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Dhejjsjckkwskdnwkdci SOFT AND WET

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Jk jk

still dirge
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Random tanz fact 8:I'm not on Jojolion

proper hinge
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Then leave.

minor ore
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Why are you here then @still dirge you'll be spoiled

still dirge
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I have it muted

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Plus I didnt read anything so I'm fine

proper hinge
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Answer my question.

rose kraken
ember light
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yeah

near cedar
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Id have smashed damos head on the ground myself if i had the chance
@heavy ledge wouldn't he kill you xD

minor ore
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I offer to partner in the smashing of damos head. Pop that bitch like a pimple

quaint dawn
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I'll join

minor ore
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We should all group up and beat him up

quaint dawn
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We have at least 3 people so far

proper hinge
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Can I join?

quaint dawn
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4 people

kind owlBOT
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@quaint dawn, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 2 !

quaint dawn
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This can work

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Shut up bot

proper hinge
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No I think he’s beat us.

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If he covers the area around him with gooey hands we couldn’t get near.

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We’d need long range weapons.

quaint dawn
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We can get weapons

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But he has to die from our hands or feet

proper hinge
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Which he could probably stop if uses his hands somehow.

river pike
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What are you guys talking about

minor ore
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Beating up damo

proper hinge
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Killing Damo.

river pike
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...

quaint dawn
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Beating damo to death

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Its fun

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Join us

proper hinge
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Exploding his head like Gappyjuice did.

minor ore
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Revenge partyyyyyy

river pike
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Damo?

proper hinge
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Yeah.

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Damo Tamaki.

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The big lad with vitamin C.

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Who nearly kills Norisuke.

minor ore
quaint dawn
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Ew

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Nasty

proper hinge
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But doesn’t because Morisuke is so cool.

river pike
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Which part are you talking about

quaint dawn
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Bruh

minor ore
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What part do you think?

proper hinge
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*Norisuke

minor ore
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This is the jojolion chat

river pike
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Ah

proper hinge
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I mean we’re in part 8 chat so it’s probably part 6.

quaint dawn
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True

proper hinge
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Yeah.

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Did you think this was gen spoilers?

river pike
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I didn’t notice the section

quaint dawn
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It's been like 3 minutes and we haven't talked about beating up damo

minor ore
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We need a plan

proper hinge
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Uhh gun?

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We @ him until he’s super annoyed.

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Like he’ll just have a whole lot of pings.

quaint dawn
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Nah we need to kill him with hands or feet, knock him out with a tranquilizer or slingshots or something

proper hinge
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And when he gets on we’ll bully him.

quaint dawn
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That could work

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Bully him after spamming him with pings

proper hinge
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Yeah.

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Let’s do it.

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@DamoTamaki

quaint dawn
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@DamoTamaki

proper hinge
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@DamoTamaki

quaint dawn
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@DamoTamaki

proper hinge
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@trim bayoTamaki

quaint dawn
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@DamoTamaki

proper hinge
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I did a oopsy.

quaint dawn
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Bruh you actually just pinged somebody

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Rip

proper hinge
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How?

quaint dawn
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No clue

proper hinge
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I didn’t even type anyhting different.

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Well brb I gotta do something.

sacred bough
minor ore
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He's probably the ugliest jojo character right next to carne

proper hinge
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Agreed.

minor ore
quaint dawn
kind owlBOT
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@quaint dawn, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 3 !

quaint dawn
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Bot please shut up

quartz pawn
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The big lad with vitamin C.
@proper hinge the asshole who fucks his girlfriend twice and then tries to kill her

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i forgot her name

proper hinge
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Was it ever stated that they had sex?

quartz pawn
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walking heart

proper hinge
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Probably.

quartz pawn
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yep

proper hinge
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Haato.

quartz pawn
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twice

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yeah

quaint dawn
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Wanna join us

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Help us beat up damo

minor ore
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Beat him to death

quartz pawn
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yes please

quaint dawn
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We have 5 people

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Damo is fucked

minor ore
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I'm p sure he is one of the most hated jjl characters

proper hinge
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He should be.

quartz pawn
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and i have kc so he dosent stand a chance

proper hinge
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King clock?

quaint dawn
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Obviously

proper hinge
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Yeah that makes sense.

minor ore
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And I have bombing cat

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Murderous ruler

quaint dawn
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I have tusk

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We're good to go

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Easy fight

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3 stands vs 1

proper hinge
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I don’t.

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I’m honestly just gonna hang back and chill if that’s aight.

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I’ll like kick him.

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But like real hard.

heavy ledge
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what the hell is going on again

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@heavy ledge wouldn't he kill you xD
@near cedar he couldnt

minor ore
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What the dog doin

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He's doing the halal challenge

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Stupid

quartz pawn
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King clock?
@proper hinge yep

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waiit a sec

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king clock >>>> emperor crimson

quaint dawn
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I’m honestly just gonna hang back and chill if that’s aight.
But you're chopper.

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Just use a rumble ball or something

minor ore
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I say we storm damo and use everyone and their stand to beat him up

proper hinge
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I’m not chopper I just have a pfp of him smhing your head.

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But I am insanely edgey I’ll say insanely edgey things until he gets anooyed.

minor ore
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Sm1 get like fuckin jotaro or sm1 he'd probably win cause he's op

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Or gio

quaint dawn
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Damo doesn't stand a chance against us

quartz pawn
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imagine evry single stand user pissed off at damo

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either they all liquid or damo go boom

quaint dawn
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Damo would be fucked

quartz pawn
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what is damo's range anyway?

quaint dawn
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No way he beats more than like 5

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Short range

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Idk exactly how short

quartz pawn
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yeah he is fucked

minor ore
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Oh and we definitely need josuke from diu for healing

quaint dawn
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True

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Thanks for telling me where josuke is from

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Had no idea

minor ore
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Well we have 2 josukes soooo

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We got amnesia sailor boy and weird hair guy

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Both josuke

quaint dawn
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Yeah but jojolion josuke is gappy or josk8

quartz pawn
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it doesent tell us the stand stats

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otherwise id give him c or d

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no

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b

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since it can cover the higashikata house

minor ore
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All I know is, damo sucks, I wanna beat him to death

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And I live by that

quartz pawn
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hm

quaint dawn
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Hes fucked no matter what. King clock, tusk, and killer queen vs vitamin c isnt a fair fight

minor ore
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Yeah definitely sided

quartz pawn
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can someone fight back whilke being under influence of vitamin c?

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did josuke fihght back

minor ore
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No I don't think

quartz pawn
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and could he damage

quaint dawn
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I doubt you could really fight back

white beacon
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Josuke can still make bubbles while under vitc

quartz pawn
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yep well then damo can overpower every stand use inside the higashikata house if he waanted

white beacon
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So stands that are kinda like that can fight back

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Like emperor

quartz pawn
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just fit em all in the house and they are fucked