Chapter 1 compared to chapters 20+, 40+,50+, etc
#jojolion
tepid nebula
inland oyster
Daiya and Tsurugi are arguably less POS
minor ore
Hamon Beat be like "I'm am vocally racist but people still watch my videos"
tepid nebula
@night moon I know I’m not the only one tripping on that
Why would that randomly come out of nowhere lmfao like obviously it’s part of that spinning topic
night moon
yeah his clothing was even still intact
minor ore
I think Joshu gets some underserved hate, like some stuff is misunderstanding maybe but he's still a creep to Yasuho
ebon rampart
Yeah man totally ignoring the whole thing by talking about hamon beat instead
hard meteor
Daiya and Tsurugi are arguably less POS
predator,and creepy kid who tried to murder someone are less bad than a guy who was mean a couple of times
ebon rampart
Absolutely amazing 
inland oyster
I like main man Joshu but y’all gotta realize the flaws make him likeable
minor ore
Yeah man totally ignoring the whole thing by talking about hamon beat instead
@ebon rampart I'm not ignoring actually
I adressed the points in that post
I can understand some of it
tepid nebula
@night moon exactly lmfao
ebon rampart
U didnt even address it lol
tepid nebula
Tsurugi? Nah
minor ore
Yasuho mistaking him for Josuke okay, I can see that
near cedar
I don't agree with most of what Joshu does, doesn't mean i shall stand idle while somebody says something that ain't compleatly correct
inland oyster
Tsurugi’s an 11 year old kid. He’s obviously not gonna understand the consequences.
Daiya’s a predator but she hasn’t really. Done anything so far.
tepid nebula
Tsurugi actually committed sexual assault
tepid nebula
But he’s 11
near cedar
Daiya is an attempted rapist
minor ore
tepid nebula
Daiya lowkey technically did
ebon rampart
You just asked if it was made by hamon beat and said that he’s racisr
minor ore
Daiya was creepy
near cedar
Is not was
hard meteor
still is
torpid anvil
hamon beat racist?????
ebon rampart
Thats literally all you said, and thats “addressing it”
minor ore
but he clearly didn't understand what he was doing
minor ore
@ebon rampart no actually
minor ore
I was referring to me saying this
torpid anvil
fucking smelling things
minor ore
that is me addressing it
torpid anvil
UNDESERVED?
tepid nebula
Oh yeah I forgot tsurugi set Josuke up lmfao
hard meteor
it is undeserved
torpid anvil
he’s constantly a dick to josuke and almost fucking raped yasuho during the paper moon king
ebon rampart
torpid anvil
it is very deserved
inland oyster
Joshu’s on the redemption street give him a chance 😩
hard meteor
and majority of it is stemmed on lies
minor ore
OKAY BUT SCATT
tepid nebula
Oh that’s cool I did not even really know u could have a discord background
minor ore
I ADRESSED IT AFTER THAT
tepid nebula
LMFAO I didn’t know there was a puck gif
ebon rampart
There is no redemption for an already good character
minor ore
Let's see
inland oyster
There is
torpid anvil
joshu tried raping yasuho during the paper moon king arc, that’s kinda weirdchamp to me
hard meteor
no he didnt
torpid anvil
he deadass used his stand to unclothe yusaho
kind owlBOT
@torpid anvil, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 8 !
ebon rampart
Lol it was literally a genuine misunderstanding
hard meteor
misunderstanding because of paper moon king
languid lagoon
It was based on a complete misunderstanding, although it was still attempted rape
torpid anvil
ik it was because of paper moon king
tepid nebula
Misunderstanding
hushed rover
joshu thought yasuho wanted to peg him
near cedar
He did stop i think
minor ore
Joshu:
- is constantly a creep to Yasuho
- Sexually assaulted his mom (in context she did murder a child so maybe he was trying to help get rid of her, okay, maybe I can understand that)
- He's a dick to Josuke (This is his opinion so I'm not gonna hold it against him, he can hate Josuke if he wants)
torpid anvil
but he still deadass took yusaho to a bathroom and ripped of her clothes
ebon rampart
Attempted rape because he thought that she did constent
tepid nebula
Toooo be fair
hushed rover
everything joshu does can be justified
ebon rampart
Then he stopped once he found out that something was fishy
minor ore
With the r*pe thing Joshu misunderstood it
near cedar
Joshu:
- is constantly a creep to Yasuho
- Sexually assaulted his mom (in context she did murder a child so maybe he was trying to help get rid of her, okay, maybe I can understand that)
- He's a dick to Josuke (This is his opinion so I'm not gonna hold it against him, he can hate Josuke if he wants)
Excuse me? what is the purpose of number 3, nani de fuck
hard meteor
he did not sexually assaults his mom
hushed rover
wouldn't really be rape if joshu thought it was consensual would it
torpid anvil
it wasn’t assault
near cedar
If you don't hold it against him don't bring it up
torpid anvil
but he was weird to her
tepid nebula
Josuke and Joshu only got one pairing arc
torpid anvil
asking to suck her tits lmao
hushed rover
joshu barely even knew his mother
hard meteor
and being mean to josuke is somehow worse than attempting to assualt and kill him like 2 other characters did
torpid anvil
which was shakedown road right
minor ore
@near cedar
tepid nebula
In that same arc he said Josuke was a cool guy he’d want to hangout with
minor ore
it's cause of that message I said that
tepid nebula
Yes Cj
hushed rover
from his perspective, she was this weird ass woman who apparently murdered a child
and she's claiming to be his mom
minor ore
he did not sexually assaults his mom
@hard meteor forcefully trying to remove someone's clothes is sexual assault
heavy ledge
why do people still say joshu almost raped yasuho? do they know how to read?
torpid anvil
still, why would you ask to let her suck on her tits that weird man
hard meteor
Joshu bias
hushed rover
was a joke
minor ore
Yeah I don't think Joshu tried to rape Yasuho
hushed rover
probably
tepid nebula
To drive her out of the house
minor ore
Joshu misunderstood and thought she was consenting since she mistook Joshu for Josuke
torpid anvil
ik yasuho couldnt discern who was who but joshu was picking the way wrong signals
hushed rover
joshu is a chad who buys up seats in the theater so no one else can sit next to him
torpid anvil
that was a chad move of him ngl
minor ore
Milagro man arc was kinda chad
torpid anvil
god milagro man was just like
minor ore
can't even cap
torpid anvil
filler arcs are funny
near cedar
it's cause of that message I said that
@minor ore oh i'm blind af
minor ore
yeah
torpid anvil
guys can we all just agree that joshu has the 2nd best haircut next to pesci
inland oyster
‘Genuine misunderstanding.’
‘He thought she consented!!!!!1!1!’
He literally only stops when she says Josuke.
minor ore
okay true
inland oyster
I would like to see the part where she consented
ebon rampart
torpid anvil
yo but if she thought it was josuke and wanted that dick
inland oyster
She didn’t
hard meteor
Interesting, now pull up the panels where daiya was assulting josuke I want to test something
inland oyster
She was asking why they were in the bathroom
torpid anvil
daiya isn’t cool either
inland oyster
Daiya’s also a predator when did I deny this
torpid anvil
she’s just cute
minor ore
no one defends Daiya
near cedar
Interesting, now pull up the panels where daiya was assulting josuke I want to test something
@hard meteor you wanna test the reaction to that as opposed as to Joshu right?
minor ore
trying to fuck her new step-brother
languid lagoon
Daiya pretty but she a weirdo
near cedar
no one defends Daiya
@minor ore Actually there was somebody in this server who did!
hard meteor
@hard meteor you wanna test the reaction to that as opposed as to Joshu right?
@near cedar yes
minor ore
bruh
near cedar
That person is no longer here
torpid anvil
daiya got the looks but she really did try to fuck her step bro smh araki watch better porn
hard meteor
And people gloss over the daiya thing a lot it’s almost barely brought up
minor ore
Daiya still did that weird shit
inland oyster
It’s barely brought up because Daiya doesn’t do anything after her chapters
minor ore
I think it's glossed over cause Josuke like, put her in line so they forget about it
torpid anvil
to be honest daiya isn’t as important of a character as joshu
minor ore
yeah also Daiya is really used much
ebon rampart
To be fair she was sexually alluding to it with talk her about ‘her being wet’ and ‘joshu-ke’ which joshu interpreted as her saying ‘i love you joshu’ and he thought they were gonna do it so joshu went blindly straight for it, and then hears the word ‘Josuke’ which makes him stop
minor ore
yeah
languid lagoon
Exactly
hushed rover
stop this joshu hate smh
hard meteor
It’s barely brought up because Daiya doesn’t do anything after her chapters
@inland oyster ok what does that change
tepid nebula
Fr
torpid anvil
joshu is a weirdo smh
minor ore
idk Yasuho was still struggling
hushed rover
but he's just a weirdo
inland oyster
Which is counteracted by her never consenting, being confused as to why they’re in the bathroom and freaking out when he’s taking off his clothes.
torpid anvil
DUDE
JOSHU TRIED KILLING JOSUKE CAUSE HE WAS FOUND NAKED NEAR YASUHO HOW DO YOU THINK HE ISNT WEIRD
inland oyster
@inland oyster ok what does that change
@hard meteor Nothing? Just an explanation as to why it isn’t as brought up.
ebon rampart
He didnt want to waste time
minor ore
:/
hushed rover
joshu just kinky
tepid nebula
He’s also completely changed as a character
torpid anvil
joshu deadass tried to murder josuke and people still think yea he’s cool
minor ore
torpid anvil
josuke deserves better
cinder fern
dont justify joshus earlier behaviour - i love Joshu but
tepid nebula
PMD/Shakedown road Joshu is still hella different than chapter 1 Joshu
minor ore
Joshu does seem a bit different now
night moon
joshu sucks ass
tepid nebula
Not justifying it tho
inland oyster
Joshu’s rude as fuck, a creep and not meant to be likeable.
And that’s why I like seeing his redemption
simple kraken
Yes
torpid anvil
ok but how does “i love you joshu” immediately make you think, ok now it’s time for sex
near cedar
Hol Horse tried to murder all the crusaders, people still think he is cool
hard meteor
Tsurugi tried to kill josuke
minor ore
Tsurugi is a little shit too
inland oyster
Tsurugi has been more helpful than Joshu
torpid anvil
well hol horse was meant to be a crusader
simple kraken
tsurugi is a goblin
minor ore
at first at least
near cedar
Weather or not you attempt to kill somebody is not gonna change if people think you are cool
torpid anvil
i just think hol horse is funny
hard meteor
No one batted an eye after the yotsuyu arc
minor ore
Tsurugi apologizes and changes after though
tepid nebula
It depends on execution
minor ore
and I think Joshu has changed too idk
inland oyster
Yeah because Tsurugi was too stupid to realize what would happen to his family. After that he becomes a supporting character
minor ore
exactly
ebon rampart
ok but how does “i love you joshu” immediately make you think, ok now it’s time for sex
@torpid anvil she also said that she was ‘wet’ and said that she wanted to go ‘somewhere else’ joshu thought that they wanted to get it on after hearing all of that
hard meteor
Being stupid isn’t an excuse for murder,if he’s smart enough to use pmk in a malicious way then he knows what’s he doing
near cedar
Tsurugi makes a deal with Yotsuya to kill Josuke
JoJo fans: i see nothing wrong with Tsurugi
torpid anvil
lmao
inland oyster
He also grabs her ass
hard meteor
Tsurugi makes a deal with Yotsuya to kill Josuke
JoJo fans: i see nothing wrong with Tsurugi
@near cedar accurate as hell lmao
near cedar
Obito? Is this Naruto? 😄
tepid nebula
Lmfaooo
hushed rover
@ebon rampart chad
inland oyster
Being stupid isn’t an excuse for murder,if he’s smart enough to use pmk in a malicious way then he knows what’s he doing
@hard meteor We don’t hold children accountable for stuff like this because they’re too stupid to understand the consequences of their actions.
He apologizes and becomes a supporting character for the rest of the part.
near cedar
To be fair Ojiro tried to murder Josuke and then later had Jobin strangle his own son
He wasn't exactly a ya know upstanding person
hushed rover
ojiro literally useless af
inland oyster
Y’all really think Yotsuyu wasn’t manipulating him lol
near cedar
Ah yes, because Tsurigi totally and definatly didn't kill a rock human with a bus
tepid nebula
He nearly killed one of the strongest characters in the part
near cedar
Thinking of this plan himself
hard meteor
I guess death 13 did nothing since he was a baby
inland oyster
Death 13 isn’t redeemed at all
tepid nebula
he lost cuz he decided to loot bodies for the +30 cash and exp
near cedar
If i was Kakyoin i'd kill Mannish Boy fucking cringe ass Death 13 baby
he lost cuz he decided to loot bodies for the +30 cash and exp
@tepid nebula i love your phrasing there
tepid nebula
Lmfao
near cedar
Tsurigi ain't redeemed tho, how is he redeemed exactly?
hard meteor
Dio was 12 In part 1 I guess everything he did in those moments where justified,he didn’t know better smh
ebon rampart
inland oyster
He’s a supporting character for the rest of the part and he’s literally dying rn.
He’s been manipulated numerous times because he’s a kid.
near cedar
Sooo no kid who does something wrong should be held accountable?
hard meteor
Being a kid doesn’t change attempted murder,and he’s not really redeemed at all
tepid nebula
I think u can hold Tsurugi accountable for what he did to Yasuho for sure
near cedar
He hasn't done anything good, he supported his dad's attempt at killing Yasuho
hard meteor
I think u can hold Tsurugi accountable for what he did to Yasuho for sure
@tepid nebula this absolutely this
near cedar
He isn't a supporting character to Josuke our protag but to Jobin one of our villains
tepid nebula
The yotsuyu manipulation is understandable
inland oyster
A manipulated kid is still held accountable for attempted murder.
Putting the full blame on them when they’re being manipulated by messed up adults isn’t fair.
tepid nebula
Of course
heavy ledge
Im confused what is thr topic here
inland oyster
Same
languid lagoon
Just got here, me too
tepid nebula
Tsurugis more of a main character fr
near cedar
Im confused what is thr topic here
@heavy ledge Person saying Tsurugi shouldn't be held accountable for any bad thing he's done in the part because he was manupilated a few of those times (even tho he wasn't manipulated every time)
tepid nebula
I’d say other than Josuke and Yasuho he appears heavy in the part
inland oyster
My understanding is that Erik/Weka are trying to say that Joshu isn’t a bad person because Tsurugi attempted murder
hard meteor
That’s not at all when I’m saying
heavy ledge
Tsurugi saved yasuho if im not msitaken and he was fully aware he killed aisho. He realized before what happened. He did it to protect her and himself
What does accountable mean
near cedar
I ain't talking about Joshu no more i'm saying that Tsurugi ain't good
He didn't try to stop Jobin from killing her tho now did he
He pushed a gate on some little girl as i remember
inland oyster
What’s an 11 year old kid who’s dying gonna do against their stand user dad
heavy ledge
He didnt want yasuho to come near the state
near cedar
He wasn't dying yet
languid lagoon
It's kind of hard to go against a parental figure like that
near cedar
Not wanting Yasuho to come near is no reason to murder her
heavy ledge
Tsurugi himself said there are things u cant control
I dont think he pushed that gate on purpose. He was lured to
near cedar
She ain't a threat, she can't even fight for the most part with that stand of hers
inland oyster
Tsurugi isn’t the typical anime 11 year old who’s gonna rise up against their psychotic dad
heavy ledge
He said it right before grabbing norosukes body
languid lagoon
Jobin is an intimidating guy, if I was his 11yr old kid I'd be pretty fuckin scared of opposing him
tepid nebula
He’s a decent kid overall tho
inland oyster
Surrounded by a lot of toxic figures
languid lagoon
As someone who couldn't stand up against their parent for their whole life, it's understandable
tepid nebula
Yep
near cedar
He do be pulling Noriusuke's dead body in the flashforward tho
tepid nebula
Oh yeah that be sus
near cedar
Can't wait to see what that is
tepid nebula
Forgot all about that tho lmfao
heavy ledge
And yet ppl asked why hato daiya and joshu did nothing when jobin faced norisuke
near cedar
After like.... 3 more months
cinder fern
“people dont know shit” chill dude
near cedar
Dayia can't do shit anyway, her stands useless against Jobin, Hato and Joshu can tho
heavy ledge
Well she is blind too sorta
near cedar
Hato best of all she doesn't even need to approach
tepid nebula
I still just wanna know if Daiya takes their memories or not
Man it’s crazy in like another year we’ll probably be in whatever the harvest arc will be
I hope
heavy ledge
The only way she could take memories away was making people feel guilt towards her. Right?
tepid nebula
Unless Tooru gets a power up and there’s 20 more chapters
inland oyster
Hato and Noriuske are the only good people in the family 😔
languid lagoon
Stone ocean anime will come out before jojolion finishes
heavy ledge
Jojolion animated will come before stone ocean animated
tepid nebula
Exactly erik
That’s why I think Tooru has a situation similar to Diavolo
He probably won’t get a power up because he’s already ridiculously OP
languid lagoon
Tbh WoU is too overpowered
near cedar
Josuke is gonna get a powerup maybe
languid lagoon
But it's less likely for josuke to pull a GER
near cedar
He doesn't have the arrow unfortunatly for him
languid lagoon
But there are different ways to get stands in the new uni tho
Remember the devil's palm
near cedar
You think about Tooru or WOU CALAMITY
tepid nebula
Insta death one too
languid lagoon
He probably can't master it fast enough
But he might just have talent like joseph did
near cedar
Spin took Johnny months to master
near cedar
Joseph's talent was useless against the Pillar men till he trained
languid lagoon
Tooru is just a dude tho
tepid nebula
True
languid lagoon
He ain't no pillar man
near cedar
True however my point is that inate talent doesn't always help
languid lagoon
Yeah
tepid nebula
Didn’t Joseph train for like a week?
languid lagoon
A month
tepid nebula
I don’t remember
inland oyster
A few weeks
languid lagoon
30 days to be exact
tepid nebula
I thought he had like a month to live
inland oyster
Because he only had 1 month to train
tepid nebula
Ohh
near cedar
He used almost the whole month on nothing but training
languid lagoon
If he didn't fight them, only then would he have died
minor ore
This chat still active? Cool
near cedar
And then he was at a level where he could hurt em, then he was buffed by Caesar making him even stronger
And Lisa Lisa was then only 2 or 3 times stronger then Joseph with her Hamon after all the training and buffs
minor ore
He was being reckless though
tepid nebula
She was strong as fuck
minor ore
top 10 worst thing Jonathan did
near cedar
Nothing
tepid nebula
He left his guard open for a second or sumn
near cedar
Caesar thought he won and got cocky (tbf i think most of us would do the same)
languid lagoon
Let's make theories about ridiculously stupid but possible ways that JoJolion could end
minor ore
Which is why he should’ve fought with Joseph
tepid nebula
Or exposed his shadow I forgot the specifics
languid lagoon
Ex: Diavolo sacrifices himself to kill Tooru
minor ore
The fights will all the pillar men happen twice
near cedar
Or exposed his shadow I forgot the specifics
@tepid nebula he blocked his bubble lenses that were reflecting sunlight at Wammu for a split second letting Wammu do his Devine Sandstorm
I wish Lisa Lisa got more fights
tepid nebula
Ohhhhh
languid lagoon
I wish Lisa Lisa got fights
tepid nebula
Same
minor ore
Eisidisi fighting Joseph and when he affects Susie
inland oyster
Jojolion ends with Josuke killing all of the Higashikata’s after they back stab him.
minor ore
I would love a spin-off or a oneshot of Lisa Lisa as a younger stand user fighting people
near cedar
Also Kars was right to be scared of her, if Joseph could beat Wammu that means Lisa Lisa could destroy Kars' ass
minor ore
NOT STAND USER
languid lagoon
@minor ore hell yeah
minor ore
I MEANT HAMON
tepid nebula
Joseph beat two pillar man back to back
minor ore
a oneshot/spin-off of Lisa Lisa's adventures
tepid nebula
And Lisa Lisa still looked stronger
languid lagoon
That would be dope
tepid nebula
men*
minor ore
can we have a part 1 and 2 remake?
languid lagoon
Ok dead meme
minor ore
I'd likethat
inland oyster
Anime remake sure
torpid anvil
i want a spin off of okuyasu and what he was doing during part 6
near cedar
can we have a part 1 and 2 remake?
No no no
minor ore
Part 1 at least deserves something better
tepid nebula
With more accurate manga artstyle
torpid anvil
an adult okuyasu with za hando is op
near cedar
Part 1 is great the way it is
tepid nebula
And movie tier animation : )
minor ore
part 1 gets boring at times though
near cedar
Not even once
minor ore
I still like it
near cedar
For me at least and like all my friends
minor ore
but the issue is when a lot of people try to get into jojo they watch like 2 episodes of part 1 and then stop
near cedar
I don't think part 1 should be called bad cuz it's great
minor ore
It's good but it's not as good as later parts
tepid nebula
^^
torpid anvil
i mean it’s the very beginning of araki’s bizarre adventure so of course it’s not gonna be as good as the other parts
minor ore
also It's not as well written
near cedar
but the issue is when a lot of people try to get into jojo they watch like 2 episodes of part 1 and then stop
Commitment is a word that some don't know
minor ore
and Jonathan in general is very one-dimensional and Araki even admits Jonathan might be a bit boring
near cedar
i mean it’s the very beginning of araki’s bizarre adventure so of course it’s not gonna be as good as the other parts
And yet i think it's better then part 5, for several reasons
torpid anvil
maybe if part 1 wasn’t 9 episodes long it would’ve been much better
ebon rampart
The first episode of part 1 was what really got me into JoJo
torpid anvil
i mean i get part 5 is overrated but god damn
tepid nebula
4*
torpid anvil
i like young dio a lot he’s cool
ebon rampart
I guess the only problem is how ‘meh’ it can be mid way on which i guess can make people drop the show.
minor ore
I still liked part 1 but a lot of people have issues
tepid nebula
It’s honestly a preference
torpid anvil
i just think it’s the first part so the following ones will evolve as araki does as a story teller
tepid nebula
Some people say SDC DiU etc get boring
torpid anvil
i love diu but that’s just me i guess
tepid nebula
Or are
minor ore
this is from JoJonium volume 1 btw
torpid anvil
diu definitely has the most lovable characters
tepid nebula
GOATED part
tepid nebula
Fr
torpid anvil
i love gyro and rohan and diego and yuya and just yes
i’m gonna cry like a bitch when the end of sbr gets animated
tepid nebula
I never really found Jonathan boring but I see why people do
minor ore
Josuke will die in chapter 101
tepid nebula
Fr in 2030
torpid anvil
ngl i kinda skimmed through part 1
tepid nebula
Lmao
torpid anvil
Top worst things Diego did
@minor ore #2 eat rocks
minor ore
I think you appreciate part 1 more after reading i
near cedar
Jonathan's theme hypes me up
tepid nebula
I remember there was a video of dudes dancing with that edited over it
tepid nebula
Don’t know where it is tho
near cedar
I wonder if Dio will be mentioned at all in part 8
Dio Brando was seen in a panel with the stone mask on in chapter 99 i believe
torpid anvil
near cedar
It was a buff person with a stone mask, so i'm pretty sure it was Dio
Well we did it, Dio is in every part again!
torpid anvil
well dio did KINDA have an effect on jojolion
waxen karma
Not really
torpid anvil
since au diego tried hiding the corpse
hard meteor
True but he got bodied by Lucy
torpid anvil
which made johnny go after it which made him get followed which made shakedown road a thing
tepid nebula
LOL @hard meteor
minor ore
Why was he wearing a mask?
waxen karma
Diego’s involvement with the corpse did not affect where it ended up by part 8 at all tho
minor ore
Isn’t he already a vampire
torpid anvil
idk but god i don’t want to read the rest of jojolion in monochrome
waxen karma
With or without Diego, Johnny would’ve taken it to Japan and the American government would have taken it back
tepid nebula
It makes it better
minor ore
@torpid anvil you’ll get used to it
tepid nebula
Suits the current arc anyway
torpid anvil
why did lucy do what diego wanted like
waxen karma
Wdym
torpid anvil
let johnny have the thing he fucking risked his life for
waxen karma
Oh that
torpid anvil
cause the whole reason that arc happened was to stop diego from hiding the corpse but then lucy did it anyways
waxen karma
Well he was already dead tbf
torpid anvil
i found it so stupid
waxen karma
I mean
near cedar
Why was he wearing a mask?
@minor ore i have no clue xD
near cedar
I don't remember the context
tepid nebula
In the flashback we don’t know
torpid anvil
i’m talking of the end of sbr not jojolion
waxen karma
And a lot of the alt universe is subject to sane face syndrome
tepid nebula
99 shows that she did retrieve the corpse tho
waxen karma
Wait then what the fuck do you even mean
torpid anvil
the flashback is a whole train wreck in it of itself
minor ore
Maybe he was warning people that they should wear a mask before going outside @near cedar
waxen karma
No it isn’t?
tepid nebula
How? Lol
inland oyster
We don’t know if it’s Lucy but I’m pretty sure it is
waxen karma
Lucy does exactly what Johnny was trying to do at the end
minor ore
disease
hard meteor
The rock killed him
tepid nebula
He took the rock disease and died
waxen karma
Stop the corpse from ending up with Diego
torpid anvil
the thing is
near cedar
waxen karma
Johnny had no use for it anymore
near cedar
torpid anvil
since when can the spin take diseases
tepid nebula
Yep, definitely Lucy in those two panels
waxen karma
It wasn’t using spin?
near cedar
This is when it happened, text to tiny to read for me
waxen karma
The corpse is it’s own weird power thing
tepid nebula
The legend of Johnny joestar flashback we don’t know
near cedar
So if somebody wants to grasp the context
tepid nebula
Remember love train?
torpid anvil
OK OK
waxen karma
Cj, I’m not trying to be rude, but what are you even arguing
waxen karma
Please explain your point
torpid anvil
i honestly don’t know
waxen karma
Lmao
torpid anvil
my point is that his death makes 0 sense
tepid nebula
Guess what has those equivalent exchange properties
waxen karma
But why
minor ore
part 1 be like Fukutsu ~Mushin no Sakebi~ plays "OI WON'T LET YEW HURT THEM ANYMORE DIO!"
tepid nebula
The corpse
waxen karma
His family gets rock disease and he uses weird corpse magic to give it to himself
hard meteor
Johnny performed an equivalent exchange with act 4 by removing the disease and giving it to himself,the rock fell on him cuz of the leaf stand
tepid nebula
Johnny used equivalent exchange and his stand to move the disease from his son to himself
hard meteor
That’s how he died
waxen karma
Cj do you remember that weird road leaf stand that people used to scam each other in part 8?
That’s what killed Johnny
tepid nebula
That then became shakedown road
near cedar
That’s what killed Johnny
and or finished Johnny off
torpid anvil
because there was the fact that it was explicitly said that george was over the corpse, the transferring of the disease despite tusk never showing that he could do so, the nail bullet that shot him in the head, why the people tailing him had any effect in the end and more
waxen karma
Wait so
You’re complaining that he hadn’t transferred diseases beforehand so there’s no precedent?
torpid anvil
it just really confuses me
waxen karma
Bruh it’s Tusk Act 4, it has basically no limits on its abilities
minor ore
tepid nebula
People were tailing him cuz he stole the corpse
waxen karma
The people tailing him retrieved the corpse once he died
torpid anvil
well tusk is supposed to be a perfect stand for the spin such as hermit purple is the perfect stand for hamon
but since when could the spin just take diseases
waxen karma
Hermit purple is only implied to be a hamon centric stand
tepid nebula
The corpse helped in that aspect
waxen karma
Tusk Act 4 is explicitly made for the express purpose of Spin
hard meteor
The spin did an equivalent exchange
tepid nebula
While someone benefits from the corpse, another will suffer
frozen charm
I am a rock human
torpid anvil
i will forever be confused
minor ore
the idea is that Joseph runs hamon through the vines of Hermit Purple
tepid nebula
That’s why when he used the corpse, it went from his wife to his son
waxen karma
He used equivalent exchange with the unbelievable power of the corpse
minor ore
torpid anvil
yea but like h o w
waxen karma
Utilizing this, of which he has the knowledge from his constant interactions with the corpse-
Ok that’s a good question
tepid nebula
Think of how love train works
torpid anvil
why didn’t he just place the corpse part into his child
near cedar
but since when could the spin just take diseases
@torpid anvil he used Jesus' corpse for the exchange as far as i remember
waxen karma
Because that would only give his child a stand
torpid anvil
no
waxen karma
It would not perform equivalent exchange
tepid nebula
Equal distribution
hard meteor
Corpse part wouldn’t take away the disease
minor ore
when you realize the equivalent exchange of the corpse gave Johnny his legs back in exchange for killing Marco
tepid nebula
^
near cedar
He shot at the corpse then the bullet shot him didn't it
tepid nebula
It would only move it
torpid anvil
the whole reason he got the corpse was so he could cure the disease similar to how the corpse stopped the dino disease
waxen karma
Cj I’m gonna DM you
tepid nebula
Yes but the corpse doesn’t remove the disease
torpid anvil
the thing is how could he shoot the corpse when he can bypass love train
tepid nebula
Only brings the bad fortune of it to someone else
that’s the law of equivalent exchange pretty much
minor ore
true
hard meteor
The corpse doesn’t cure disease it exchanges them,it gave his wife’s disease to his son so he didn’t want to put any one else at risk
tepid nebula
He shit the corpse to transfer the disease to himself
Exactly
That’s why he died so no one else would get the disease and suffer
hard meteor
Yeah it was ultimately a sacrifice
near cedar
Doesn't the corpse act different every time somebody else posses it? For Lucy it worked one way Ticket to Ride, then Valentine got love train
hard meteor
And people still say he was selfish and heartless 
frozen charm
Hmmm
near cedar
Who's to say Johnny didn't have the corpse work another another way
I could be wrong i'm not sure it's been a while
minor ore
bruhaps\
tepid nebula
Was ticket to ride a granted stand or a stand like corpse property?
near cedar
Corpse property i think
minor ore
my question is where the fuck did Rina get this rock disease from anyway
hard meteor
We have no idea
tepid nebula
Then yeah I guess it grants different profits
minor ore
and then after Rina all the first children of Higashikatas got it
tepid nebula
Properties*
torpid anvil
i thought it was god himself who rid johnny’s wife of her disease lol
tepid nebula
Who knows tbh
near cedar
Perhaps the illness was given to her by Head Doctor somehow
I mean we don't even know what rock illness is
tepid nebula
Mega big brain move
minor ore
also Holly had it
near cedar
I'm saying illness because my brain too tired to spell diesies
minor ore
I think? or was that the rock human doctors fucking with her
tepid nebula
The latter
minor ore
okay thought so
torpid anvil
diesies
minor ore
I just remembered
Tooru was Yasuho's ex boyfriend years back when they were younger in High School
why the fuck would Tooru wanna go to highschool
we know that rock humans at a point rapidly grow from a baby into an adult
near cedar
Perhaps that story isn't exactly true
frozen charm
Yea
near cedar
He might have been her bf but doesn't mean he was always in Highschool
minor ore
I'm not saying he couldn't but...that being your cover-story is very restricting
frozen charm
Rock insect
minor ore
who would he say were his parents?
minor ore
no but he needs some sort of guardian if he's using being a highschooler as his cover story
near cedar
Wait.... had a thought
minor ore
unless...
near cedar
He has "somebody" to be his "guardian"
near cedar
That "person" is guarding him rn!
YES! BIG BRAIN!
Tooru: my parents died and i life with my granfather!
minor ore
Since Wonder of U can disguise as Akefu Satoru he could effectively have him pose as his acting guardian
near cedar
And we know people without stands can see WoU
minor ore
also that begs the question
near cedar
Well we sorted that mystery (probably)
minor ore
Is the Akefu Satoru disguise based on a real person (like did he kill the 'real' Satoru and have his stand switch places) or did Wonder of U create a whole new identity for this
near cedar
I think it made a whole identity
minor ore
and how long has this Satoru disguise been the head doctor of T.G. University hospital
interesting
near cedar
Hmmm remind me somebody "is he rally 89 years old" did anybody other then Rai, Josuke and Yasuho say that?
minor ore
hm i don't think so
near cedar
Hmmmm, can WoU change apperence? Like did it perhaps appear younger before
minor ore
wait this isn't the only disguise either
near cedar
It isn't???
near cedar
Oh wait, you right
inland oyster
It might’ve been just an earlier design
minor ore
perhaps
also there's two
I think one could be him and the other is Wu Tomoki perhaps
waxen karma
Pretty sure those are the twins with the soccer ball
minor ore
no way
hard meteor
They died
minor ore
they died ages before this chapter
near cedar
The twins weren't part of Tooru's gang
near cedar
When was that
waxen karma
Two thousand
minor ore
all the other rock humans were dead by this chapter
besides Satoru (Tooru) and (Wu Tomoki)
near cedar
Except Wum, Gurilla and like Tooru
minor ore
they were dead
minor ore
Tooru and Wu were the only ones left alive
near cedar
You are correct
minor ore
so one of these guys is Satoru and the other is Wu
near cedar
Okay so we have the chance that WoU can have mupltiple apperences
What other mysteries do we have to thorize about
minor ore
or Tooru has a Ben 10 Omnitrix and he can have multiple stands but imma guess that's a no
near cedar
XD
near cedar
Fucking hell imagine ANOTHER person in JoJo to have 2 stands
waxen karma
No one has had two stands at the same time ever
near cedar
DIO
minor ore
well....
mystic pier
the main villains stand will evolve
near cedar
Hermit Purple + The World
waxen karma
Tsurugi might get stronger
minor ore
DIO had two simultaneously but technically one of them was Jonathan's stand
near cedar
Yes, but he was still the one using it
frozen charm
Tsurugi is already op
mystic pier
tsurugi is gross I wouldn't want him to be the final villain
near cedar
Jonathan's stand used by DIO is still 1 out of 2 stands used by DIO
near cedar
So yea we had 1 person in JoJo to have 2 stands at once
Even tho there are a few technicallieties that needed to be jumped trough lol (i can't spell lmao)
minor ore
also jolyne VERY BRIEFLY had Star Platinum until the disc was removed cuz she couldn't handle the power
mystic pier
maybe he just has a stand with lots of loosely related abilities like kira
minor ore
can we talk about how Kaato's stand reminds me of D4C
putting objects between flat surfaces (cards in this case) and having them dissapear
mystic pier
mamezuku being a zeppeli seems to have more believers now
frozen charm
Does that mean Kira was using the spin
And his strings just exploded
On his bubbles
mystic pier
all stand users in part 7 and 8 are using the spin right?
frozen charm
No???
minor ore
it depends on what Mamezuku meant
mystic pier
mamezuku said it's what you can't see in stands
minor ore
if he meant Josuke's stand specifically has the spin or if stands in general have the spin
frozen charm
Idk
mystic pier
I think he meant all stands
frozen charm
Like how is walking heart spinning
winter ridge
what do you bet the bubbles will tear a hole in the ceiling, causing it to fall in and crush Rai?
frozen charm
Or ckb
minor ore
winter ridge
caesar style
minor ore
this line makes me think he means all stands in general
frozen charm
No
minor ore
winter ridge
if you look at the other translation, it seems like it's more specific to josuke
minor ore
lemme check it
winter ridge
ebon rampart
jorge joestar moment
winter ridge
this is the other translation
oh wait, that does seem like it's saying "all stands"
mystic pier
that makes it sound even more like the spin = stands
winter ridge
that would atually make some kind of sense
like we saw how the spin caused stands to form in part 7
minor ore
in the other translation it's quite consistent
waxen karma
Can I interrupt the conversation?
winter ridge
ok
also nice ELO profile pic
winter ridge
i think he already knows spin
his stand IS spin
minor ore
the strings spin
winter ridge
it seemed pretty clear from the final page that rai knew it was "THE spin"
minor ore
we still don't know totally what Mamezuku meant
waxen karma
Yea
minor ore
if he meant ALL STANDS or just Josuke's
inland oyster
All stands have the ability to utilize the spin in some way?
waxen karma
No
inland oyster
Which is technically true I think
waxen karma
They definitely don’t
heavy ledge
rai had said about the bubbles being cords that spin in the ozone baby arc or before i cant remember
limber yarrow
rai had said about the bubbles being cords that spin in the ozone baby arc or before i cant remember
@heavy ledge their fight with urban guerilla iirc
inland oyster
There isn’t some wall that’s stopping stand users from learning the spin though
heavy ledge
and how his stand was similar to soft and wet beacuse of the cords
winter ridge
maybe all stands use the spin somehow though
without the users knowing
its kind of up in the air
minor ore
again Mamezuku's line makes it sound like the spin is in all stands somehow
winter ridge
that is my hypothesis
that all stands have it
yeah
winter ridge
yeah
waxen karma
Maybe we’re gonna get, like, new abilities and facets of the spin?
That would actually be pretty fuckin epic
If it did more than just how gyro and Johnny used it
ebon rampart
I guess its like the saying with gyro on that everything has the golden rotation within it
torpid anvil
it isn’t everything, it’s all living things
waxen karma
Spoilers
ebon rampart
yeah my bad
minor ore
so it could be like this.
All stands have the spin within them but nobody knows about this fact. If Josuke uses this knowledge to his advantage he can use his stand in a new way or something.
or it can upgrade his stand much like how Tusk advanced as Johnny mastered the spin
it's just a possibility
waxen karma
I mean spin has a lot more versatility than hamon
kind owlBOT
@waxen karma, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 7 !
waxen karma
We saw that with wekapipo
near cedar
maybe he just has a stand with lots of loosely related abilities like kira
@mystic pier The World stops time
DIO's Hermit Purple allows him the power to take spirit photos, remote viewing and other things Joseph's Hermit Purple does those two stands aren't even loosely related and Kira has a sub stand which is not another stand it's a part of a stand that can function without the rest
ebon rampart
We will know in 2 months
minor ore
DIO's hermit purple is actually better cause he doesn't have to break the camera
waxen karma
Bro let’s just
Let’s not even fucking talk about DIO’s hermit purple
That was obviously a genuine inconsistency on araki’s part and I’m sure he’d rather we forget it
near cedar
That ain't inconsistent
minor ore
also DIO's hermit purple can also show an image present in someone's heart through a crystal ball
night moon
wasn’t an inconsistency
near cedar
Joseph's did that but with a tv
wasn’t an inconsistency
@night moon DIO's Hermit Purple
Nvm
night moon
i was agreeing with you lol
near cedar
I can't read
waxen karma
It was very clearly a changed idea on araki’s part
near cedar
i was agreeing with you lol
@night moon I miss read your sentence lol sorry I'm brain tired
night moon
dio had the abilities of every joestar with a stand currently alive including joseph’s hermit purple and star platinum’s time stop
waxen karma
Considering it never came up again
near cedar
It kept coming up
minor ore
Star Platinum didn't get time stop till the end though
waxen karma
When did it appear besides once
night moon
and they were all more powerful because he was a vampire and trained for longer
near cedar
3-4 times
waxen karma
He could sense the joestars presence in the same way Jotaro could sense his
But we only ever see him use it a single time
Considering the rules of stands are that you only get one
night moon
nothing is more fun than when the jojo fandom calls something inconsistent with zero proof
near cedar
Looking at em on the plain, Polnareff flashback, Talking trough the tv, taking another photo of them
near cedar
Stand rules don't matter silly
minor ore
DIO technically only has one stand
waxen karma
It’s like the one fucking rule Araki tried to write consistently
near cedar
Every stand rule has been ignored at least once
minor ore
it's JONATHAN'S stand but since DIO is controlling Jonathan's body he can control the stand
near cedar
^
waxen karma
The only stand rule that’s been ignored occasionally is how outside objects interact with stands
near cedar
Wrong
waxen karma
But it’s a reflection of your soul
minor ore
he effectively has control of two but technically it's Jonathan's stand not his
waxen karma
Not your corpse
Johnathon’s spirit isn’t in his body anymore
So there’s no reason his dead body would have a stand
inland oyster
Spiritual energy
minor ore
We know that Stand energy can remain after death, and we also know Joseph's Hermit Purple could be seen by Stand users even in Battle Tendency.
inland oyster
Or something like that
waxen karma
Ok you just pulled that out of your ass
inland oyster
That picture is fake
waxen karma
So you’re telling me it was a Notorious BIG situation
near cedar
Stands disappear after user dies, normal people can't see stands, normal people can't touch stands, one stand per user, one ability per stand @waxen karma all of these are stand rules all have been ignored at least by one stand
inland oyster
He doesn’t say that
near cedar
@minor ore that scene is edited btw
minor ore
I wish it wasn't
inland oyster
Araki plans ahead but not that ahead
waxen karma
He has stated himself he doesn’t plan ahead
minor ore
@waxen karma Anubis also stayed after it's user died
waxen karma
Anubis didn’t have a user
near cedar
It did
waxen karma
And that’s a completely different situation
minor ore
he did
The user was Caravan Serai
Anubis' original user was the crafter of the sword, the Stand stuck to the sword after the user's death.
near cedar
The blacksmith who made the sword 500 years ago was the user of Anubis
waxen karma
Hermit purple for Johnathon wasn’t a sentient stand that could maintain itself
minor ore
Where does it say sentient Stands can only remain after death?
near cedar
B.I.G. isn't sentient it's an automatic predator
waxen karma
But the stand for it was developed while the blacksmith was alive
Johnathon’s stand came 100 years after he died
So your point doesn’t stand
minor ore
the whole reason ANY of them got stands was because DIO was using Jonathan's body
near cedar
Ofc it does DIO uses the bastard stand 4 times thought SDC
waxen karma
Ok, still doesn’t explain how a spiritless body develops a stand without a spirit to initially form it
mystic pier
you don't understand stands
waxen karma
Clearly you don’t
mystic pier
lol
minor ore
Joseph's HP was visible to Stand users before Joseph completely became a Stand user. So Jonathan's Stand sticking without it being fully developed isn't implausible.
mystic pier
yeah no one does
minor ore
Hermit Purple
waxen karma
Oh hermit purple
near cedar
There is even a scene of DIO talking about the Hermit Purple he has and how it links him to the Joestars I can't remember where, it's one of the first times he strikes the DIO pose
waxen karma
Ok that still doesn’t justify it @minor ore because that’s after the whole stand arrow business
Joseph gets one because of the arrow
near cedar
Wrong
minor ore
Joseph never had an arrow
waxen karma
What the fuck do you mean wrong
limber yarrow
joseph already had a stand in part 2
waxen karma
That’s the plot
near cedar
He had Hermit Purple in part 2
minor ore
What do you mean? Araki stated if the Crusaders went back in time they would see Hermit Purple wrapped around Joseph.
inland oyster
Joseph was nowhere near the arrow????
minor ore
the only person who had the arrows at the time was Enyaba
waxen karma
Ok so I can’t talk to 6 of you at once
minor ore
dud you even watch or read part 3>4?
waxen karma
I hope you all can understand that
minor ore
Joseph never had the arrow
inland oyster
He was developing it in part 2 according to Araki and it manifested itself because of DIO I believe
tardy silo
NOOOOOOOOOO chap 100 
waxen karma
So like, one at a time please?
Don’t clown me, it’s a legitimate request
That’s just fucking rude
near cedar
@tardy silo hi! Haven't seen you in a while!!!
minor ore
tardy silo
hey
minor ore
so wait
near cedar
Idk if you remember me I was one of the people enjoying your reactions to part 6
minor ore
@waxen karma what scene does Joseph have the arrow again?
waxen karma
@minor ore as the only person who actually bothered to bring up a genuine counter
I thank you
minor ore
what chapter was that
minor ore
I don't think you did
tardy silo
I do remember
waxen karma
The whole fucking set up was that because DIO had stabbed himself with the arrow, everyone with Joestar blood gained a stand
near cedar
Joseph as stated by Araki had Hermit Purple in part 2 Vycar
minor ore
okay
waxen karma
@near cedar thank you, I admit I am wrong
minor ore
you made it sound like Joseph has the arrow
waxen karma
If that’s what Araki said, then that proves that point
near cedar
I do remember
@tardy silo yey! I'm not forgotten :p :)
minor ore
@near cedar what interview is that
cinder fern
wtf is goin onnn
tardy silo
bruh spin shit again in part 8 now?
inland oyster
He was developing it in part 2 according to Araki and it manifested itself because of DIO I believe
I said this but aight
limber yarrow
theres an interview at jojowiki
waxen karma
But that still doesn’t fucking justify Johnathon’s dead fucking corpse developing its own stand 100 years after his spirit left it
mystic pier
spin stuff was obvious in part 8 since the fight with urban
waxen karma
@mystic pier you are dead in the head
near cedar
Kinda but nah
waxen karma
Not only are you wrong, you’re an asshole
mystic pier
woah what's wrong with you mister?
minor ore
I mean sort of but none of us expected it to be like...THE SPIN
near cedar
Dude the fuck
tardy silo
bruh hiatus next month
waxen karma
You’re an asshole, that’s what’s wrong
mystic pier
I don't remember ever speaking to you
waxen karma
You were literally arguing with me earlier
mystic pier
I doubt that I barely post here
near cedar
Do you gotta be rude
minor ore
@near cedar do you know which interview it's from?
waxen karma
He was being rude to me, I’m just calling him out
mystic pier
all I said was you don't understand stands and then that nobody does
limber yarrow
well i think the reason jonathan had a stand after he was dead was dio was controlling his body
waxen karma
And then you fucking acted like I was being a clown for asking people not to dogpile cause I couldn’t keep up
near cedar
well i think the reason jonathan had a stand after he was dead was dio was controlling his body
Probably this
waxen karma
As if that’s not incredibly fuckin assholish
Ok but that’s still not Johnathon’s spirit, so DIO should’ve only had 1 stand
mystic pier
I think you should find somewhere else to vent whatever frustrations you have
waxen karma
I’m not venting
I’m just stating the fact that you are an asshole
I wanted to say it, so I said it
near cedar
DIO had one stand that belongs to him however he had another stand, that fact shant change
limber yarrow
since like dio has his own separate body (his head), he has the world. while the body he takes over with has hp
mystic pier
😕
waxen karma
But the body didn’t have HP before
And there’s no spirit in it to develop HP later
Like I see your point, but it would only really work if Johnathon already had the stand
limber yarrow
dios spirit took over his body i think
limber yarrow
wait
hard meteor
maybe he had developed it subconsciously before he died
waxen karma
But that’s never stated or even implied
Whereas Araki specifically said Joseph had HP before
inland oyster
My interpretation of it was that Jonathan’s body still had some spiritual energy trapped in it. Which created HP2
limber yarrow
or maybe jonathans spirit didnt really leave
waxen karma
Well that’s just getting into territory we have no information for
limber yarrow
dio cant use his body for vampiric purposes
waxen karma
That’s just residual hamon I think
Which...is never explicitly tied to spirit
So that’s all in the realm of speculation
mystic pier
Kinda but nah
@near cedar not sure about the community as a whole but when rai brought up that josuke's stand was actually spinning lines all the people I talked to thought this was the spin
kind owlBOT
@mystic pier, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 8 !
minor ore
Dio mentioned Jonathan's body was sending out a "soul signal" so it seems some of his spirit remained.
mystic pier
back against urban I mean
near cedar
Can somebody find that panel
inland oyster
Yes it’s the reason the Joestars got their stands
minor ore
Let me grab the panel
limber yarrow
dio implied it at his first shadow dio scene
hard meteor
the body was also rejecting dios influence to an extent,since he mentioned it wouldnt let him heal on his right side
waxen karma
How do you even imply that specific
Well, like I said, that could’ve just been residual hamon
limber yarrow
"This body must be sending out some kind of soul signal to his descendants."
minor ore
spirit hamon
waxen karma
Which isn’t explicitly tied to spirit
minor ore
waxen karma
Hamon energy is very vaguely defined
near cedar
the body was also rejecting dios influence to an extent,since he mentioned it wouldnt let him heal on his right side
@hard meteor wasn't it left side?
minor ore
slight error i made, he said "spiritual" not soul
minor ore
ghostly ripple
hard meteor
@hard meteor wasn't it left side?
@near cedar i thought it was right side i could be wrong its been awhile
near cedar
Jotaro smashes his head in on the left I believe
hard meteor
i see, so it was the left side that couldn't heal quickly
near cedar
Oh and I just remembered
His leg that got cut off, was left
And The World's leg that Star Platinum shatters is the left
minor ore
DIO don't kick with your bad leg cause The Word isn't a vampire like you and can't heal so please don't kick with your bad le-....you fuck
near cedar
DIO wasn't completely healed yet but he thought he was so he kicked with the left leg
He screwed himself lol xD
minor ore
it wouldn't have mattered
The World isn't a vampire so it can't heal like he does
also this
near cedar
Yea I think we mentioned that
near cedar
Damn DIO really needs to watch his left side
minor ore
JUST KICK WITH YOUR RIGHT LEG
near cedar
I think that when be was High DIO he scratched off the left side if his head right
So he thought he no longer had to worry about the left side
minor ore
nah
near cedar
Not realizing the leg still sucked
minor ore
I remember seeing a theory quite a while back saying that the reason dio lost was because he gave the bone in his leg to pucci, which makes no sense on many levels.
near cedar
LMAO
minor ore
it's the right
minor ore
this is the left however
I think at this point it didn't matter cause the Joestar blood made his healing equal
joestar blood powers him up
he was a fucking dumbass though and kicked with the world's leg
near cedar
Yea but he still kicks with the left and gets fucked
minor ore
yeah
cause his left leg got damaged
but either way the world isn't a vampire and doesn't have his vampiric healing
so DIO was just a dumbass and kicked with The World's bad leg
limber yarrow
overconfidence leads you to defeat
minor ore
yup
near cedar
I still have a theory that if not incinerated by sunlight and if blood was literally poured all over him DIO might have healed
limber yarrow
dio got overconfident that he thought the world can heal his own legs lol
near cedar
Not that I want that! I enjoy DIO but there is such a thing as too much DIO!
inland oyster
His head was blown up so I’d imagine DIO would have no recollection of who he is