jojolion

[crude orchid]

canon wise

[kind owl]

@crude orchid, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 8 !

[old marlin]

Good wording, do you have any answer

[crude orchid]

no

i assume a few months

[simple kraken]

Close to a year iirc

[minor ore]

Jobin bookmark

#your-works

[crude orchid]

Soft & Wet stole your humanity

[lost slate]

JyoJyorion

[dusty kindle]

Quick question, how do you imagine Josuke and Jobin's voices?

[old marlin]

I imagine Jousuke being near identical to Original Josuke and i imagine Jobin's voice deep as hell

[minor ore]

lemme get u a nice voice for jobin hold up

I imagine it to be like youma's voice

From rohan's ova

[old marlin]

Ty for deleting

[lethal tundra]

I imagine gappy's to be like the same as part 4 but like less creamy and more on the goofy side

Jobin as my uncle

[old marlin]

What does your uncle sound like

[lethal tundra]

Kinda deep

[old marlin]

Cool

[dusty kindle]

I imagine Josuke being a mix of Josuke and his eyes of heaven Japanese voice

Jobin as like dub Mista for some reason

[minor ore]

I like his EoH voice

[dusty kindle]

Dub Mista sounds like my Jobin voice

[minor ore]

Dub Mista is strange to me-

[old marlin]

I havent heard Dub mista

[minor ore]

Search for golden wind dub lmao

[old marlin]

Pass 🤢

[minor ore]

Heard it?

It sounds so strange

[lethal tundra]

Hate jo4uke EoH voice

Jo8uke is kinda how i imagine him

[dusty kindle]

Always had a slightly higher pitch version of EoH for me

Also I DM'd Dub Mista's VA "4"

And I got "Aaaaaaaaaaaaa" as the response

[heavy ledge]

Josuke8 should have a deepass voice cos of them balls(?)

[dusty kindle]

Every guy have balls

[young meteor]

He has extra balls

[dusty kindle]

Yet people like Seth Green sound like 16 year olds

Plus that's a common myth that balls affect your voice

I'm going to end this conversation now

So anyway, this °C stuff making me confused in American

[young meteor]

What

[white beacon]

Are currently reading Beetle Tendency?

That's the only part I can think of that mentions temperatures

[dusty kindle]

The beetle fight

Jojolion

Sorry if I come out rude but why the hell would I be in the Jojolion channel if I'm on Battle Tendency

[white beacon]

You can reread my message if you'd like

[dusty kindle]

r/wooshed

[white beacon]

Because I don't think I stuttered

[dusty kindle]

But me on Reddit now

*put

[minor ore]

[dusty kindle]

[willow pendant]

How can you stutter in a text

[old marlin]

i never stutter

i never stumble

i never fall

• Josefumi

[willow pendant]

ok very wise

[heavy ledge]

why so rude anyway what the hell

[dusty kindle]

Sowry

[old marlin]

Josuke laying down the lie

I like it

[runic shoal]

Hey Farnese

[lethal tundra]

Omgomgb3rserk fan????

[runic shoal]

Hey baypotato

What if I told you I did understaid your pain and ever would

[kind owl]

@runic shoal, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 1 !

[runic shoal]

Also tooru head doctor it's confirmed

[lethal tundra]

Hi ilove berserk

[runic shoal]

you like jojo?

[minor ore]

Tooru is mad bae

[runic shoal]

specifically jojolion

[minor ore]

I'd let tooru take me to McDonald's ngl

[white beacon]

Tooru and gappy fight to see whether burgers or large fries are better, jobin passes by to buy fried chicken for dolomite

[thorn pier]

😳

[runic shoal]

I'm just waiting for joshu to simp

Jobin is trying to kill his girl there's no way he's having that

He's building determination

Come on Joshu be the best simp you can be

[minor ore]

But he hates fried chicken so josuke Will attack jobin

[willow pendant]

Im berserk fan

Berserk moment

[runic shoal]

Nice

[willow pendant]

Thanks halo pfp

[runic shoal]

No problem bald giorno

[fluid vessel]

joshu gets determination
||bad time bad time||

💀

[young meteor]

[lost slate]

Joshu eats the rokakaka for a stand power up to fight jobin or the head doctor

Echoing the beginning of the part, his eyes are taken away

[minor ore]

No ma'am

[lost slate]

then his stand is Ultimate Nut King Call Requiem

Thus, we have JOSHUSANS

[minor ore]

YES MA'AM

[young meteor]

That would be very epic.

[frozen charm]

Yea he gets nut king call requiem over heaven act 4, love train

[lost slate]

word salad stand

[ebon rampart]

Best stand to ever exist

Even surpassing Gold Experience Requiem

[willow pendant]

Ok

[frozen charm]

It's ability would bring things to infinity instead of zero while infinitely rotating them causing the universe to reset while he calls the nut

[analog ether]

What if Toru's name is just a reference to Doppio's ringing?

[queen fox]

lol

[thorn pier]

More like a reference to Jobin's ringing

[dusty kindle]

Jobin

[ebon rampart]

It’s a reference to Joshu’s singing

[minor ore]

Is there anywhere I can buy Jojolion translated into English. Physical copies.

Or do those not exist yet.

[burnt quiver]

no

not yet

sadly

[minor ore]

Great, I've found ones in French.

Guess I'll wait.

[burnt quiver]

u might be waiting a long time tbh

for example the latest official english physical release is Diamond is Unbreakable vol 4

which covers up to the end of the shigechi’s harvest arc

[white beacon]

The english releases, which lort has stated, will release a volume every 3 months

Don't know why english publishers always take a long time to have manga be in english, but the french are very into the manga scene

You can expect a manga to have a french release before any other non-asian language

[queen fox]

@white beacon they have to reformat every page, like every single page to fit the US size, you also have the fact that they have to translate the covers, work on multiple manga and translate small things like author quotes. Though viz is slow, they're quality is one of the best

[minor ore]

how many volumes are on mangadex?

oh wait i have the colored version

[willow pendant]

Yeah

Not all of it is colored

[minor ore]

ye

[ebon rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/134391171861446657/702298410656465017/ETW4NDiWkAIgNhi.png

This’ll be josuke and tooru in the next chapter

[gentle venture]

wow josuke cheats on yushuo with her ex

[young meteor]

[lethal tundra]

Delete

[ebon rampart]

I’m predicting it man

[pallid summit]

why does jojolion feel so different compared to other jojos?

I mean other parts

jojolion is just bizarre on another level

[gentle venture]

because he has 4 balls

[pallid summit]

it's like every battle or encounter is just a psychological warfare

[ebon rampart]

Because josuske is confirmed gay?

[pallid summit]

josuke? you mean gappy?

[ebon rampart]

ayup

[pallid summit]

what do you mean confirmed?

[tame tide]

its structured a lot differently to the other ones

[gentle venture]

part 4 was bizarre but part 8 is just super bizarre

[pallid summit]

part 8 feels like araki has a huge drug addiction

[tame tide]

araki is also really horny

[pallid summit]

we found that out in part 6 so not as shocking

[gentle venture]

"everytime i close my eyes i wake up feeling so horny"

[pallid summit]

yeah that ending was weird

[ocean mirage]

i think araki is trying a new kind of storyline

[gentle venture]

he did say he wanted to start fresh when he was doing part 7

[pallid summit]

well I do like part 8

I just think part 7 was better

maybe because I have to wait for each chapter and I just read part 7 in 2 days

[lethal tundra]

Don't have me but jojolion stands are not my favourite

Not all but too many automatic stands feel kinda weirdish

[ocean mirage]

yeah

well king nothing

looks kinda human

ish

[lethal tundra]

I like soft and wet, speed king, nut king call, king nothing, idea of born this way, california king bed and kinda paisley park but thats all ig

[ocean mirage]

not a lot of stands have humanlike eyes anymore

even tusk have like animal eyes

[lethal tundra]

I think part 4 stands are my favourite
Like collectively

[ocean mirage]

part 4 have cool stand

[minor ore]

Jojolion is a true mystery part

And it does it’s job very well

I like the format of showing the ending

And then what leads up to it

Like we are experiencing rn since chapter 83

Part 8 designs are also much more casual and subtle and the writing especially for Jobin and Yasuho is great

Jobin would be the best written antagonist if he gets confirmed which I doubt

I doubt there’s gonna be a true villain because everyone is selfish and everyone wants the fruit

[hoary sun]

How many chapters did july 15th take

[minor ore]

Not sure

[lethal tundra]

The only thing that feels a bit :| for me about jojolion is that i had expected more slice of life development of characters mainly in higashikata household, but welp

[hoary sun]

Eh, it’s hard to do both at the same time

[minor ore]

14 chapters

We are past 14

We are at 16

[hoary sun]

Whew boy. Yeah, I’m guessing the countdown will end within like 3-5 chapters

[minor ore]

Oh you think

I doubt it

I expect a twist soon and probably a big fight

[hoary sun]

Oh, Tooru.

[minor ore]

Tooru is coming

And we are finally gonna see how he interacts with the HD

[hoary sun]

Hey here’s a question

[lethal tundra]

I know given how jojo is that would have been hard without let's say like 10 chapters more atleast
But i wouldnt have minded it

[hoary sun]

Was the HD that they chased at the hospital the real one or the projection

[minor ore]

This part is in its climax but far from over

I think a projection

My bet is that the real one is the estate

The one at the estate has been shown to turn around

And also was able to pursue someone itself

[hoary sun]

Does tooru drive yashuo to the estate before or after the HD’s speech

[minor ore]

My theory is that the stands trigger is whatever the individual thinks the trigger is

Not sure about that

I’ll have to reread

[hoary sun]

I just realized that if the HD at the hospital was a projection, then Tooru and the HD haven’t been seen in the same place

[minor ore]

It looked like he summoned him

Look at the bench

[hoary sun]

Shit

Well

[minor ore]

Tooru and Satoru

It’s so obvious but I’m still questioning if he’s a red herring

So late into the story I doubt it but it’s JoJo

[hoary sun]

If he’s doppio and the hd is diavolo I wouldn’t mind that?

[minor ore]

I think it’s more of the HD is his stand

They can’t be the same person cause they have been in a room together

[hoary sun]

Well, it would have to be an extremely sophisticated stand. People have seen the HD’s face and lived, they know his name, they’ve talked to him

[minor ore]

Maybe he is his own thing but the coincidences

It lines up perfectly

[hoary sun]

The fact that we’re so heavily debating this is why part 8 is good just btw

[minor ore]

The way in 96 he ended the phone call after saying to yasuho he’s heading there and then the HD appeared in Jobin and mitsubas room

[hoary sun]

But yeah tooru would have to have been able to be at the hospital for the speech

Or does the speech happen at a different time from the estate stuff

[minor ore]

But he only got convinced to come when yasuho mentioned “there’s a way to heal the injuries”

[hoary sun]

His eyes

[minor ore]

They are the same as HDs

Both have dead eyes

[hoary sun]

If this is true

It’s way better than doppio and diavolo

Araki wasted no time telling us exactly who doppio was

[hoary sun]

One of my big gripes with part 5 is the doppio reveal

[minor ore]

The eyes

[hoary sun]

Absolutely the same

[lethal tundra]

The HD looks like older tooru

[minor ore]

The HD and tooru are doing the same pose

And toorus hair even looks like his hat

[hoary sun]

Diavolo was supposed to be older doppio yes

[minor ore]

Tell me the swirls don’t look like the curves of the hat

Especially in that panel

[young meteor]

I smell the new villain

[minor ore]

He is so sociopathic

Like he felt no emotion

She was dying on the phone

[hoary sun]

I don’t know how yashuo dated him

[minor ore]

And he called her a goddess

He adored her in like chapter 90

And now he’s like oh so you’re dying lemme finish my meal

[hoary sun]

Sociopath of the year

[minor ore]

Jobin shows more emotion that that

[young meteor]

Didn't they attend on the same school?

[minor ore]

When did he start working in the hospital

It’s weird

[hoary sun]

I feel like jobin is the kira equivalent if tooru is the diavolo equivalent.

Satoru*

So

Two main villains

[minor ore]

Araki how do you manage to make a gremlin look graceful

[azure canopy]

@hoary sun I mean, the baby could be the HD

as a reference to Doppio's/Diavolo's birth

[minor ore]

No one looks that good eating on the street

[ocean mirage]

only a villain looks that good

[hoary sun]

I had this thought, it would be cool if they really played up how handsome and graceful tooru apparently is in the anime

[minor ore]

The bears on his sleeves

[ocean mirage]

he has teddy bear on his shirt he can't be a bad guy

[hoary sun]

HEY WAIT WHAT THE FUCK IS GO GO GO DOING THERE

[ocean mirage]

i said the same thing when i saw doppio

[minor ore]

Like he has a sunflower

Also he did the Kira chew

[ocean mirage]

they guy in a pink sweater can't be a bad guy

[hoary sun]

Menacing on that panel, oh golly

[minor ore]

His design is so cute

But he is scary

[azure canopy]

Doppio vibes

[minor ore]

Like he about to snap any second

[hoary sun]

Yeah hey also does he have a pompadour or an afro

[minor ore]

Afro I think

[hoary sun]

It looks like a pomp in that panel lmao

[minor ore]

This swirl cinnamon hair

It’s been thru part 8

[young meteor]

Also, am I the only one who wants Tooru to die?

[minor ore]

Karera, Kaato

Him too

They all have that weird swirl

[azure canopy]

You are not

I want him dead too

[young meteor]

Oh thank you

[minor ore]

A lot of people hate him

I love him tho

He is cute

[hoary sun]

Omg what if he has more than one personality

[young meteor]

I'm really irritated seeing him with Yasuho

[lethal tundra]

Fuck tooru josuke x yashuo

[azure canopy]

I am as well

y e s

I hate him bc of what he does Yasuho

[lethal tundra]

He is making my 4 balled brother insecure

[azure canopy]

and only that

[minor ore]

Well josuke straight up told yasuho to fuck off and mind her business for Rai

[hoary sun]

Josuke x yashuo is the only valid straight pairing in this gay ass manga

[minor ore]

So I don’t care

[azure canopy]

Josuke also told Tooru to fuck off or he'd kill him lmao

[minor ore]

Josuke was what lead her to her possible death

[lethal tundra]

He didnt tell her to fuck off

[hoary sun]

There was probably him wanting to protect here too though

[ocean mirage]

did josuke not have a phone?

[minor ore]

Yasuho is such a sweet character for attempting suicide at 12 and life being so hard on her

[ocean mirage]

why did yasuho called tooru?

[azure canopy]

Because Tooru drove her there

[minor ore]

Oh she didn’t

She actually wanted to call josuke

[hoary sun]

Rai is in prison and josuke is in the hospital

[azure canopy]

oh

[hoary sun]

Was

[azure canopy]

I thought she called him

[hoary sun]

They don’t have phones

[minor ore]

But it automatically led her to tooru

[hoary sun]

She tried them first

[azure canopy]

ahhhh

[minor ore]

She tried to call them but tooru picked up automatically

[ocean mirage]

oh

i missed that

[azure canopy]

huh

how did he tho

[ocean mirage]

what do you mean?

[azure canopy]

wait

she called everyone but only he picked up you mean

[minor ore]

Here’s what makes me think he is wanting the rokakaka

[hoary sun]

Yes. But

Oh SHIT WAIT

holy shit

[minor ore]

He didn’t want to help until she mentioned it

Yes indirectly but

He wasn’t convinced

[hoary sun]

The HD didn’t move until after tooru was told about rokakaka

[azure canopy]

@minor ore you mean she called everyone, but only Tooru answered?

[minor ore]

Yes

[azure canopy]

ahhhhhh alright

[young meteor]

How suspicious

[lethal tundra]

Also like a theory was said here before
I believe tooru and yashuo never dated and it was memory manipulation

[white beacon]

But the photo

[minor ore]

Also HD started the attack only after tooru headed to the estate

[lethal tundra]

Some power he has

[minor ore]

Like he pursued someone

Photo manipulation is in jojolion

With Kyo

She was erased from the photo and everyone’s memory

[hoary sun]

So then... tooru is more of a person than Doppio was, and his stand is a completely separate power instead of just a subset of the other?

[azure canopy]

So maybe, HD and Tooru somehow communicate

[minor ore]

It’s too unclear

[azure canopy]

yeah

[minor ore]

But they are connected

Maybe it’s teamwork

[ocean mirage]

ooh

more than one main villain?

[azure canopy]

HD could be Tooru's stand
HD could be Tooru's associate

etc etc

[minor ore]

The stand could be a work of 2 people

[azure canopy]

huh

two people manipulating a single stand

[minor ore]

Well one does the illusions and one the hurting

[azure canopy]

hmmm

[hoary sun]

I theorized that tooru’s stand was causing the increased damage from the calamities, and the HD was causing - yeah that @minor ore

[azure canopy]

this reminds me of a pair of pink haired dudes

[minor ore]

Maybe it’s connected to toorus dialogues

About the charging in the air and how electricity leaks

[hoary sun]

No wait I theorized that the hd was causing small calamities and tooru’s was making them do more damage

[lethal tundra]

Imagine if tooru was really yashuo's ex and had nothing to do with HD

[minor ore]

I feel like toorus dialogue was the stand explained

[lethal tundra]

Or rock humans

[azure canopy]

he can't just have nothing to do

[hoary sun]

Oh also

[minor ore]

Not this late

This is like The Who shot Johnny but more confusing

[hoary sun]

Have we seen people get it worse from getting hit by the calamities in the instances where that actual stand looking stand wasn’t there?

[lethal tundra]

Bruh no who shot johnny was more confusing

[minor ore]

The stand looking stand is weird

It makes things crash into you or somehow charges the objects

[azure canopy]

Who Shot Johnny is by far the most confusing thing rn I'd say

[minor ore]

The HD one is karma

[hoary sun]

Well

No

[azure canopy]

This is not that much confusing probably, we just lack info

[minor ore]

The 2 times we saw the stand with the sun eyes and swirls

Once in the hospital where the attack started

And once in the car

[hoary sun]

And in the lambo

Where it rained

[minor ore]

It’s so weird

[hoary sun]

That wasn’t a calamity

[minor ore]

That felt like it’s own thing

I wonder what the kars blades are

Do they trigger the stand

[hoary sun]

A stand that can increase the force of impacts

And a stand that causes impacts

[minor ore]

That would makes sense considering his dialogue

[hoary sun]

Karmic impacts

[minor ore]

He mentioned that electricity leaks and charges objects

There for making them more impactful

[azure canopy]

I think Mitsuba said that the calamities were intesifications of things happening

[exotic cobalt]

On the jojo wiki it says that's his stand

[minor ore]

Give us the translation

Well JoJo wiki is fan made

[azure canopy]

The translation doesn't say it's his stand

he just mentions smth about evil

and mystery

I remember someone already posted it here

[minor ore]

Yea no I don’t believe that

[hoary sun]

And the bystanders that got hit by calamity, by the way, were seen being rude to another. The man that yelled at josuke, the girl that bullied tsurugi

[kind owl]

@hoary sun, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 7 !

[hoary sun]

I think that’s a page with two stands

[minor ore]

The sun one is so epic

[azure canopy]

or maybe 1 stand and no people?

[minor ore]

I really love the design

I wish we can see it in full soon

[hoary sun]

Mitsuba was there, which explains why the HD karmic energy was there. The girl couldn’t see him, so she walked straight towards him

[minor ore]

It looks like the hand but much more robotic and with Kars blades and swirls

Also what’s up with only certain people being able to see tooru and HD

Like they are invisible to some

[azure canopy]

HD did a conference

[hoary sun]

I don’t remember tooru being invisible but

[azure canopy]

so there's something real weird going on

[blazing bison]

89 years old...

i cant believe it

[minor ore]

89?

Damn really 89?

89 years old

Oh man he is 89

[azure canopy]

maybe he's a hamon master

[hoary sun]

I think if you’re marked by the HD, the only person that can see the energy following you is you. Anyone can be affected by it, though

[young meteor]

Is he really 89 y.o.?

[minor ore]

Is his name even real

What’s toorus last name

We don’t know it yet

[blazing bison]

its astounding

his age

89...

[minor ore]

Imagine it being Tooru Akefu or smth

Satoru Akefu and Tooru Akefu

[blazing bison]

that honestly doesnt sound far fetched

wtf

[hoary sun]

Vinegar Tooru

[blazing bison]

satooru

is basically tooru

u cracked the case

this is my headcanon

[minor ore]

Yea it’s Satoru and tooru

[azure canopy]

early Tooru has an S and an F in his belt buckle

[young meteor]

Oh damn

[minor ore]

Yea

The S and F were weird

[azure canopy]

he also has an S shaped thing in his shirt thingy

[hoary sun]

He does yup

[minor ore]

The pants

Also the S on his flower

It’s like an S and F combined

[hoary sun]

The bowler hat swirls

[minor ore]

Cursive f without the -

And it looks like S

He seems to have some spiral theme

[white beacon]

S for slimy little cocksucka

[blazing bison]

s is def s but i dont think thats a f

the flower looks like another s

just with a fkower

[azure canopy]

the belt buckle has an F

it's just not clear

[blazing bison]

the belt buckle looks like a f too

s too

i mean

[azure canopy]

ah alright

[blazing bison]

oh nvm

i see what u mean

[azure canopy]

let me pull up a better image

[blazing bison]

there is a small f to the right of it

[azure canopy]

yes

[blazing bison]

but that might be part of the floral

[hoary sun]

We see you araki

We know your games

[azure canopy]

I did a close up

and I'm pretty sure it's intentional

[blazing bison]

the s motif def is a hint

[kind owl]

@blazing bison, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 1 !

[azure canopy]

there you can see it's outlined and not part of the floral pattern

[white beacon]

Just an S here

[blazing bison]

im convinced he is the head doctors creator

oh yea

no f at all

[azure canopy]

I think that Araki may have thought the F was too much clues for some reason and removed it

[white beacon]

Or just unnecessary

[minor ore]

🤡

[azure canopy]

s i m p

jk

[minor ore]

Goddess

[hoary sun]

Does tooru have a plan for yashuo?

[minor ore]

She’s a goddess

Wait imagine it’s like that again

[azure canopy]

Is Yasuho really gonna be Lucy Steel again?

[minor ore]

That’s gonna be crazy

But the powers remind me of the corpse so far

[azure canopy]

maybe she's not disintegrating

she's just turning into Ticket To Ride

[minor ore]

She definitely is

[azure canopy]

boom

[minor ore]

Maybe as a host for rokakaka experiment

[blazing bison]

the s on tooru is for simp

[azure canopy]

LMAO

[minor ore]

💀💀

[azure canopy]

that shit

[minor ore]

The** ‘goddess’**

[azure canopy]

was the funniest I've ever seen

no joke

[minor ore]

Tooru please don’t turn yasuho into a paper corpse thing like Lucy

Also karera she knew about Kira and Josefumi exchanging she guessed it

[azure canopy]

We also have this close up of Tooru's eye

and this

[minor ore]

She knew about the equivalent exchange

Karera said she’s coming back too

[hoary sun]

How’d yashuo find that rock animal again?

[minor ore]

In a market

[azure canopy]

she bought it

I think

[minor ore]

And then Kira broke it

And lied to her in the hospital

She met holy before the disease hit her there too

It’s so weird that yasuho met kira when she was 12 or 13

And now she’s dating with part of him

💀

[hoary sun]

“Dating”

[azure canopy]

YES DATING

[hoary sun]

I want them to smooch

[azure canopy]

^^^^

I die when they hold hands

die in the good way

[young meteor]

Hmm, Yasuho and Josuke aren't dating tho

[azure canopy]

but you know they've got something going on

[young meteor]

Yeah, but I mean not yet.

[azure canopy]

yep

can't wait for Josuke to arrive all ripped and smack the everloving sht out of Tooru and rescue Yasuho

I know that ain't happening but let me dream

[hoary sun]

He can’t find the HD at the hospital

[tame tide]

when did kira lie to her

[minor ore]

When he said he accidentally broke it

But he intentionally stepped on it because it was a rock animal

[tame tide]

shit i never thought about that

[minor ore]

It’s shown how he forcefully steps on it

This stand man

It’s so weird

[hoary sun]

It has to be the one causing the increased impacts

It doesn’t happen any other time

[minor ore]

That form is the switch

[white beacon]

It happens with mitsuba, but we never saw the stand appear around her

[minor ore]

So that’s what turns the stand on?

[hoary sun]

No

The rain is what damaged them

[azure canopy]

oh, you're pursuing me~?

[hoary sun]

There’s no calamity that happens

I think Rai is mistaken

[azure canopy]

Rai has been spitting fax about the HD while in prison

Not sure if he'd be mistaken

[hoary sun]

I just don’t think any legit calamities happen in the lambo

[white beacon]

The rain is the calamity

[minor ore]

Omg the force was so strong

When. Josuke was hit after he exited the car

Because he was rebelling against the police

Which lead to bad karma

So that’s why

[white beacon]

Simple rain being able to pierce someone, and rai just bumping into an umbrella stand but his legs got totally obliterated

[minor ore]

I’m reread the chapter

It makes sense now

With the karma thing

[hoary sun]

But calamities happen without the increased damage

[hoary sun]

Oh

So okay

Calamities happen no matter what when you approach the HD

But depending on your karma is what determines how they damage you

[minor ore]

Electricity spills out and flies into the sky

[azure canopy]

maybe he's figuring out she has a stand? far stretch

[minor ore]

Why is he so scary

[hoary sun]

Then... I wonder what would happen to a person that got hit with a calamity if their karma is positive? The stand seems to count proximity to the HD as bad karma

[minor ore]

Like omg

Tooru is so off

Like is he in reality

Anxieties about his youth and his future

[hoary sun]

He seems pretentious

Wait he’s stressed about being young

[minor ore]

Could that be why the shape of the 89yo man is connected to him like his insecurities

[azure canopy]

he's talking about characters

Doppio/Diavolo vibes

[hoary sun]

“Anxiety” has a partner called “anger”

He’s anxiety

The HD is anger

[azure canopy]

Anger is HD

[minor ore]

Could the HD be wanting to make himself younger

[hoary sun]

The HD developed from Tooru’s anxiety?

[azure canopy]

And he mentions people thinking about the same thing at the same time

maybe

Maybe the HD's "stand", is actually Tooru's stand

and when in anger

The stand takes the form of the HD

or smth along those lines

[hoary sun]

It would be something out of left field if that was true

[minor ore]

I figured it out

[azure canopy]

fair enough

[minor ore]

The sequence shown with tooru and yasuho

It happened in the same time as the one with Rai

When tooru showed her the face

It started raining

[hoary sun]

Ok but the fact that yashuo saw his face without calamity

[minor ore]

And after that the events of the police thing happened

[azure canopy]

this whole thing is d e e p

[minor ore]

The rain shows us that those 2 things happened at the same time

Notice

[azure canopy]

true true

[minor ore]

Also it’s 48 hours

So wait

This is so weird

[hoary sun]

They’ve had two conversations?

[young meteor]

Oh boy, this is getting intense.

[hoary sun]

I forgot they were separate

[minor ore]

So yes

The events of the rain happened at the same time

The tooru meetup is the same day

At the same time

[azure canopy]

People thinking about things at the same time

what Tooru mentioned

[hoary sun]

So... what’s the chances that tooru and yashuo were close by josuke and rai

[azure canopy]

Yasuho and Josuke were thinking about the HD at the same time

[minor ore]

And the trigger for the start of the rain was her seeing the face

Like the moment it started

And that Rain damaged josuke and mamezuku

[hoary sun]

Oh shit

[azure canopy]

yo

Josuke and Yasuho probably thought about the HD at the same time

That would tie with what Tooru said

about two people thinking about the same thing at the same time

[hoary sun]

Oh fuck you’re right.

[minor ore]

The events we are being shown could be happening in a different order than we think

Think about it

Even new chapters

[hoary sun]

Araki better have like a two page timeline here

[azure canopy]

I'm gonna go beat up Araki

right now

if it's that

[minor ore]

Can I mention how we stopped seeing timers

[azure canopy]

and yeah

he better have a timeline if so

[minor ore]

So he is leaving us blind

[hoary sun]

I think cause everything is happening sequentially though

[minor ore]

Not sure

[azure canopy]

pretty sure we had things like

3 minutes to harvest

[hoary sun]

I think since josuke woke up its been sequential

[minor ore]

So wait could tooru be the snake and HD the sword

[hoary sun]

Huh?

[hoary sun]

Oh

Maybe

[old marlin]

Y'all look too deeply into this

[minor ore]

It’s JoJo tbh

Most things are intentional

[hoary sun]

It’s a mystery part

I mean what do you expect

[azure canopy]

that sword and snake thing are a bit far stretched lol

but

I believe the rest of what we said makes sense

[hoary sun]

I kinda like it

Because it’s being done better than doppio and diavolo

If we’re right

[pliant sail]

Actually, Araki just throws darts on a board at random and develops things that way

With his eyes closed most of the time

[azure canopy]

one thing I thought about

within the Diavolo Doppio sutation

Doppio/Diavolo was born as a baby without an explanation

and he was a reference to the devil

Now

On SBR

[pliant sail]

Most ppl are born as a baby

[azure canopy]

yes

I know

lol

I mean we can't explain why the mother was pregnant

out of nowhere

[minor ore]

This is so extremely weird

[azure canopy]

so on SBR

[minor ore]

Hands from Above

Him calling her a goddess

[azure canopy]

can I continue pls?

[minor ore]

Why does he talk about her phone

[pliant sail]

Virgin Toru vs Chad Gappy

[minor ore]

He has an obsession with her phone

He asks her about that phone 3 times

[old marlin]

@azure canopy Don't use that word in that context

[azure canopy]

uh

can you DM to me what it was? not really getting it

[old marlin]

Simp

[azure canopy]

oh

alright

[minor ore]

Sounds familiar

An unstoppable force

[old marlin]

So Tsurugi is the Head Doctor

[minor ore]

With the only goal being to reveal the location of the fruit

In 96

It was explained that it’s a force that’s solely there to reveal the fruit

[hoary sun]

SCR?

[minor ore]

Could tooru be tsurugis love for yasuho

The HD the rokakaka

[old marlin]

How would Tsurugi know what Finger fucking is

[minor ore]

I don’t know

[young meteor]

[minor ore]

Or is it the 3 states or tsurugi

As some theory claimed

Like 3 versions of him from different times

[hoary sun]

I’ve also thought about that

[old marlin]

I def don't just want to ignore what's going with tsurugi and whats going with his stand. since it's implied heavily that it's undergoing a monumental change

But reality altering levels

[hoary sun]

Yeah, something is happening with tsurugi

[minor ore]

It’s so weird that an unstoppable force is mentioned

And the sudden change of heart

It related to it

[hoary sun]

HD is very black sabbath

[minor ore]

Yea

Or like a requiem stand

Unstoppable with 1 goal

Silver chariot requiem was similar in having that one goal

Just 1 particular goal

[hoary sun]

Notorious BIG

[minor ore]

Omg him

[old marlin]

automatic stands all have 1 goal

[minor ore]

This is about the fruit

A stand based on the fruit

Soft and Wet Requiem

big bubbles

[hoary sun]

but HD seems to be attached to people

Like polnareff and hanged man

[minor ore]

Wait wtf

Daiya says to call dad down

And then tsugi drags him in the bag

[hoary sun]

YEAH i know

[minor ore]

Wait

WTF

Memory manipulation

Or smth like that

That is not normal

[hoary sun]

Or daiya used cali king bed

[minor ore]

Oh herself

On*

[old marlin]

Stealin Stands

[hoary sun]

There are some stands you can use on yourself

[minor ore]

Calling him from his room

[kind owl]

@minor ore, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 19 !

[minor ore]

What

And all the family is fine too

They think he is ok

What’s going on

This is tucked

Fucked*

Even the pmk jumping off the corpse

[hoary sun]

Y’know it’s been established that the higashikata’s don’t discuss their stands with each other

[minor ore]

Do they know about pmk

[old marlin]

Assholes

[minor ore]

They must know right

[old marlin]

probably know atleast

[hoary sun]

Maybe tsurugi will show them an illusion of norisuke being healed?

Because they don’t know exactly when the fruit will ripen?

[minor ore]

It’s weird

[hoary sun]

But their behavior before doesn’t make sense then

[old marlin]

Y'all remember when Mitsuba saw the head doctor outside her window and it didnt attack her

[minor ore]

Oh wow kaato is brought up so much

She must come back sooner or later

[azure canopy]

was that before or after she tried to kill Yasuho?

@old marlin

[hoary sun]

Her stand is unnamed but she’s their mom so it cannot go that way for long

[old marlin]

Way before

[azure canopy]

hmm

maybe that is a demonstration of the karmic stuff

[hoary sun]

It really must be karmic then

[minor ore]

Tooru isn’t able to be seen by josuke and mamezukuw

[old marlin]

So quick

[minor ore]

What the fuck

[hoary sun]

does the intensity of the calamities go down over time, or does bad karma only go up

[minor ore]

Look at where Rai is standing

[ripe marlin]

whats goin on

[minor ore]

It’s like he doesn’t see tooru in the first panel

This is the panel before that

And tooru is next to him

Like tooru pushes the cart into him

So he isn’t able to reach the doctor

[old marlin]

@ripe marlin Remember when you could see Tsurugi with the Ojiro mark on his hand that whole chapter

Well

[ripe marlin]

yeah

[old marlin]

It was visible like 9 times

That was amazing

[ripe marlin]

yeah multiple times and it was grea

t

[old marlin]

Completely got past me the first time

[minor ore]

It sure does

Totally not intentional

It’s purely coincidental

[ripe marlin]

whats your theory

Im walking in ont he middle of it and Im just confused

[old marlin]

Tooru is Tsurugi

[ripe marlin]

what

[old marlin]

That's the theory if im getting it

[ripe marlin]

that

is so stupid it gave me whiplash

[minor ore]

It’s not that but it all seems connected somehow

[ripe marlin]

then what is your theory

[minor ore]

It’s just hints that have been dropped in the previous chapters that lead to the current situation

[ripe marlin]

the situation of tooru beign tsurugi?

oh oyu just mean the general fight

well yeah

[minor ore]

No that’s too much

That’s like reaching to Mars

But it’s hinted at

[ripe marlin]

Tooru is tsurugi
clues:
Both want to fuck yasuho
uhhhhhyh white
smug
annoying
white

@old marlin thoughts?

[minor ore]

My 3 possible choices are Tooru is HDs stand user, Tsurugis new ability is the HD and it’s trying to get the rokakaka at all costs and the last one is that Tooru and the HD are working in the same team

[old marlin]

I can see it

Not the first 2

[ripe marlin]

@old marlin now that I think about it

joshu and tooru have more in common

tooru is yasuhos ex right

Im bad with names

so ive jsut been assuming

[old marlin]

Yea

[ripe marlin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/379742720903610368/702356806864994364/image0.png

this guy

[old marlin]

Yea

[ripe marlin]

then yeah

[minor ore]

Anyways here’s the translation they are not related at least nothing points to it

[lost slate]

It mentions it isn't explicitly a stand

Maybe it's linked to the HD's cool new ability of walking

[pulsar yoke]

They keep questioning the fact that HD is 89, which leads me to believe that the user is probably actually pretty young

So probably either tsurugi or jewel baby

lmao

Well, I mean, maybe

[white beacon]

why tsurugi? and if it's jewel baby, he'd be around 110 years old

if it's a rock human, he's look about 50

[blazing bison]

im convinced tooru is the user

but it makes me wonder

whether head doctor is purely toorus creation

or if head doctor is a real guy, just tooru is his second in command

making illusions to throw ppl off

[white beacon]

we see the head doctor take his hat off and speak to a public audience so he's at least audible

[lost slate]

My theory is that HD is jewel baby

[lethal tundra]

Whats jewel baby

[lost slate]

It can't really be justified, I just think it would be cool and could happen

Jewel baby is the unknown child who is discovered by the ocean around the same time that Johnny dies

That's all the information we have on the child

[lethal tundra]

When was jewel baby shown? I dont remember

[white beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379742720903610368/702029155058974830/x24.png

[lost slate]

Whatever he's wearing on his hat makes him look like Aisho or Ungalo

[old marlin]

Aisho word a sweater

[burnt quiver]

guys i’m telling you

tooru was the head doctors stand this whole time

[thorn pier]

Yes.

[lethal tundra]

Oh that kid

[icy bluff]

Just finished reading calamity part 2. It was a great chapter.

[thorn pier]

I don't think it could be Aisho btw

[lethal tundra]

If josuke marries the jobro of the part aka yashuo will he be gay?

[thorn pier]

Because their actual age is usually the double of their estimated age

[icy bluff]

My two theories are:
1.All HD sightings is one stand/HD is a stand. Tooru is the stand user.

2.HD is a stand user and not a stand. HD sightings are from his stand. Aka clone manifestation. Tooru is unrelated.

[burnt quiver]

those are the two most believable explanations imo

if 2 is true, what is the purpose of that umbrella stand? is it the form it takes before it transforms into the head doctor?

[lethal tundra]

If HD is a stand then its like the boat stand of the orangutan from part 3

[icy bluff]

@burnt quiver It might be. Similar to D4C.

[burnt quiver]

how so?

that would clear up a fuck ton

also i guess that would explain 2 as well

sorry 1**

[icy bluff]

With D4C you can see it’s appearance. However, the practical affect of D4C is that you have multiple FV walking around. If we never knew D4C’s ability, and only saw multiple FV’s walking around, then it would look similar to Calamity at first glance.

Maybe the umbrella form of calamity is the original form before the ability activates.

If no. 1 theory is true, why would Tooru pick the HD as the form of the stand? Assuming he can choose “forms”.

[burnt quiver]

maybe the head doctor was a real person at some point?

i mean the HD clearly has accolades and shit

maybe the head doctor is alive & one of the incarnations of the HD we see but tooru controls the rest?

& the HD’s stans is the umbrella one after all ?

[icy bluff]

Also, we saw the HD go to a conference and give a speech. If no. 1 is true, then Tooru’s stand is capable of speech. Also, when HD was there, the people at the confrence didn’t suffer any “calamities”.

Either Tooru’s stand is capable of a lot of things like, teleportation, speech, and turning on and off despite being automatic. Or HD is the user and he gave the speech himself while his stand is active automatically somewhere else.

[kind owl]

@icy bluff, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 5 !

[burnt quiver]

i think it’s safe to say that Tooru & the HD are allies to each other

[icy bluff]

Yes

Tooru is too suspicious.

We’ve also learned new things about Calamity. It can travel through glass? Transparent surfaces? And back to physical reality?

[minor ore]

Jobin's hair looks Waaayyyy cuter now

[burnt quiver]

you will not romanticize patricidal bastards in this chat !

[old marlin]

He looks the exact same

[minor ore]

He doesn't

[burnt quiver]

idk it’s a bit curlier

i see what sharpys talking about i just despise jobin

[minor ore]

It is bit curlier and the pins on his head are more softened and less sharpy

Screw you jobin is mad babe and best dilf

[lethal tundra]

The front feels more soft

[minor ore]

Yeah I just wanna mess his hair like what kinda hair is that lmao

He had the hair clip since his childhood

[burnt quiver]

Jobin be like “this is for the good of the higashikata family” then fucking kills them

dumb ass green haired Bastard

[minor ore]

He didn't kill them doe

I mean he is a bad person for sure

But the motive is good

[burnt quiver]

the motive isn’t Good

well

ok it’s not good but i do see where he’s coming from

[minor ore]

IDK how it's not good lmao

[burnt quiver]

the motive isn’t moral

morally sound

[minor ore]

How so?

[lethal tundra]

Jobin is like valentine but he wants to do for his family

[noble haven]

Jobin has good motives but he's executing them in a terrible way

[lethal tundra]

Like valentine

[old marlin]

Jobin literally believes he is meant to be above others

How can you call that good

[noble haven]

That's not motive

[minor ore]

When did he say that lmao

I don't remember-

[burnt quiver]

ok hold up sharpy ur right actually

[noble haven]

Like Valentine is a terrible person but he has good ideals and motives for his own country

[old marlin]

That's what Kaato instilled in him as a young kid

[burnt quiver]

his motive is good

[noble haven]

Same for Jobin, he has good ideals and motives for the higashikata family, but he is a terrible person

[minor ore]

Valentine's motive was to send all the misfortunes to other countries that's horrible

[burnt quiver]

in my head i was thinking he actively wanted to stop other people from being able to use the fruit to heal themselves

which would be bad but it’s not his intention

[noble haven]

Valentine's motive was good relatively

[minor ore]

It wasn't

[burnt quiver]

just the side effect of him being violently protective of the fruit

[noble haven]

It was, he was helping the USA

[burnt quiver]

it’s not though

[noble haven]

Hell u could argue it's better than Jobin, Jobin is doing it on a smaller scale

[minor ore]

He knew what the corps does. He is gonna send all the bad shit from like millions of citizens to other innocent countries

[burnt quiver]

you wouldn’t see any other country redirecting all misfortune to other countries as a good motive

[noble haven]

And?

[minor ore]

That's bad lmao

And hella selfish wym and

[noble haven]

What he did was bad, the motive is good

[minor ore]

The motive is bad

[burnt quiver]

if i want to steal money from poorer people to make my life better the motive isn’t good

[lethal tundra]

I mean jobin doesnt think the good of others anyways

[noble haven]

Goodlort that is a terrible comparison

[lethal tundra]

I think jobin is cool honestly
A guy who loves summer? Relatable

[burnt quiver]

it really isn’t though

[minor ore]

It isn't a good motive lmao

[noble haven]

Valentine didnt do it for himself

[minor ore]

Valentine is a prick

[noble haven]

He did it for the USA

[burnt quiver]

it’s redirecting misfortune to someone else to benefit myself

[noble haven]

Again he wasnt helping himself alone

[burnt quiver]

if i widen the benefits to my family does it make the motive any better?

[noble haven]

the usa is way bigger than a family

[minor ore]

BRUH HE IS AN ASSHOLE

[noble haven]

you guys need to differentiate the motives and actions

he's a terrible person but good motive

[lethal tundra]

Even though valentine was a shitty cunt who didnt care about humans besides those in the united states, I find him respectable

[minor ore]

doing shit for the USA and making other countries suffer is just pure evil lmao

[burnt quiver]

okay

[noble haven]

the man was just being a patriot 😔

[lethal tundra]

100% good luck for USA
All USA's worth of bad luck to rest of the world

[burnt quiver]

i kinda see what you’re saying although i hate it

[noble haven]

people who say valentine didnt do anything wrong are wrong though

[minor ore]

He's a shitty person for sure and his motives are questionable

[noble haven]

Fuck valentine all my homies hate valentine

[burnt quiver]

if you isolate the idea of making america better then sure

it’s a good motive

[minor ore]

But still. Jobin's motives are more pure than Valentine's

[lethal tundra]

People saying valentine didnt do anything wrong are the same people who say Griffith did nothing wrong

[burnt quiver]

i guess my issue would be that by that logic literally all motives are good

[noble haven]

jobin is fucked up though

[burnt quiver]

because of perspective

[noble haven]

killing everyone who gets in his way or simply disagrees

same mentality as Kars

oh well idk why that would matter since Jobin isnt even the MV

[minor ore]

Saving your son and thousand of future generations with no consequences to other people >>>>> saving your country with major horrible consequences for other countries

[lethal tundra]

Jobin wants to free his family from the curse
I cant see who wouldnt do that
I would totally do anything if I had the way to stop the cursed disease

[noble haven]

i mean there are consequences definitely

he's killing a lot of people

well not a lot

he will

[burnt quiver]

even someone spitting on a homeless dude for no reason could be isolated to just “someone trying to boost their own morale”

[noble haven]

soon

[minor ore]

He didn't kill anyone who didn't fuck with him lmao

[lethal tundra]

Why would he even need to kill people if people just let him be

[burnt quiver]

all in all motives mean literally nothing