jojolion

[fading cove]

its going to be kaato

[strange void]

unless he rushes the villain or something, im not sure tho

[fading cove]

because

[minor ore]

Part 5 was the first part i read and it still is my favourite read

[kind owl]

@minor ore, Your Stand Power is now level 2 !

[fading cove]

steel ball run is phantom blood + battle tendency

so

[queen fox]

Kaato

[minor ore]

part 5 is really good

[queen fox]

SBR is the first 3 parts

[minor ore]

Ive never read manga before but i enjoyed it alot more than i thought i ever could

[strange void]

part 5 is my favorite

[fading cove]

no

valentine would be kars and diego would be dio

[minor ore]

Part 5 is my favourite too

[fading cove]

there is no jotaro in steel ball run

johnny loses to diego

au but still

jotaro beats dio

[queen fox]

just because parallels don't exist in it doesn't mean it's not based off it, also I hate the parallel thing

[strange void]

what happened to valentine at the end, i forgot

[fading cove]

characters arent direct counterparts

he died

[strange void]

was he spinning to infinity

[fading cove]

but

[minor ore]

Didnt he just stop trying and die?

Honestly i forgot too

[fading cove]

like kars he was indirectly responsible for dio's rise to power

[strange void]

how

[fading cove]

kars made the stone mask valentine started the race

[strange void]

ohhh

i didnt understand ur first sentence

xd

a bit sleepy

[fading cove]

and it makes sense how johnny is part jonathan and part joseph

[minor ore]

I think people examine the parallel universes thing too much

[fading cove]

i mean

there are patterns

[minor ore]

Like its cool to notice but it aint that deep guys

[fading cove]

araki has patterns

[strange void]

people are wanting to be woke

[minor ore]

I noticed smthn earlier in part 8 but im not gonna mention it cuz im terrified of spoilers xx

[strange void]

what chapter are u on

im on 21st

[fading cove]

i mean when making theorys you for jojo you have to understand that at anytime araki could change the basic rules on how stands function to make a fight more entertaining and change it back the next chapter

[strange void]

shakedown road

[minor ore]

Oo that fights fun

[fading cove]

king crimson changes powers 3 times

[minor ore]

Im ahead of u

[fading cove]

first he erases time

then he erases himself from time

[minor ore]

Oh god

[fading cove]

then he erases memories from time

[strange void]

oh no

[fading cove]

it changes

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[minor ore]

I have no clue

What ur on about tbh

[strange void]

not king crimsom again

[fading cove]

not the theory

its the point that araki will change the rules of the universe to make a fight more entertaining

you have to understand that

[minor ore]

Ive always understood king crimson as just a period of 10 seconds that happens in an instant for everybody except diavolo

[fading cove]

no

it changes

thats the only way it makes sense

it directly contradicts itself

[minor ore]

I never noticed please stop this my brain cannot handle more king crimson mind fuckery

[fading cove]

i guess you could go on the idea that he just erases time but then there would be 2 copys of everyone when he skips time

but that only happens once

but does not at the colosseum

[kind owl]

@fading cove, Your Stand Power is now level 12 !

[minor ore]

I have no clue what ur on redhawk im sorry

[strange void]

look there's an action and there's a consequence, diavolo can skip the action for 10 seconds, in those 10 seconds he can move around and he's literally a ghost so nothing can damage him in there, the only thing left is the consequemce

[long plume]

Who is king crimson?

[fading cove]

my main point was the story can change

[long plume]

Or diavolo?

[fading cove]

at anytime

to be more entertaining

[long plume]

I thought this was jojonly for part 8

[fading cove]

thats why counterparts dont work

because its not one piece

not everything is a perfectly fitting puzzle piece

[minor ore]

Redhawk i think a better example of araki changing the story would probably be the reveal of d4c or the person that saved josuke

[fading cove]

i mean

[strange void]

well mainly for part 8 but u can talk about other parts if it gets to that point from a conversatiom so u dont have to change the channels everytims

[fading cove]

i could cite that

[minor ore]

The reveal of d4c makes no sense with the rules established later on

[fading cove]

but it makes my point less clear

d4c kinda follows its rules

[queen fox]

what does the person who saved josuke supposed to mean?

[strange void]

@long plume

[fading cove]

kira?

good kira

xd

blonds are bad -facts from jojo

[minor ore]

@queen fox some people think Araki had a less vague idea of bites the dust and that somehow teenage josuke went back in time with bites the dust and saved himself

[strange void]

spitting straight fax right there

[fading cove]

i mean

[queen fox]

legit has been proven false so many times

[fading cove]

the wounds on his face look the same

[queen fox]

they kinda don't

[minor ore]

How

[fading cove]

it could had been his idea

[minor ore]

Yeah...

[fading cove]

its like when giorno gets stabbed with a stand arrow

it doesnt make sense

by black sabbath

[minor ore]

Also bites the dust itself

[fading cove]

then they cut it form the anime xd

[minor ore]

How the fuck he gonna get reSTABBED

[fading cove]

bites the dust is a good arc

and thats all that matters

[minor ore]

I know i love them all

[fading cove]

its entertaining and thats exactly what araki wants

[minor ore]

But we're just discussing plotholes trying to fix the unfixable

[fading cove]

he does not care if the stand doesnt make sense

i mean people who defending the "jotaro just smokes 5 cigarettes offscreen" are stupid

he did not do something that stupid

[minor ore]

I

[kind owl]

@minor ore, Your Stand Power is now level 3 !

[minor ore]

Who the fuck

[fading cove]

and the offscreen thing is stupid af

[minor ore]

Redhawk explain ive never heard of that

[queen fox]

Though Araki never said it, the stand arrow that has the beetle is likely unique and different (kinda like how the red stone of aja and stone mask). Araki made sure to make the two different, I don't think he'd do that just to have them be the same.

[fading cove]

ok you know when bongo is helping his brother with his book

and the unimportant dude changes his face to look like jotaro

[minor ore]

Yeah..

[fading cove]

and then polnareff and joseph start messing with him

[minor ore]

And jotaro does the stupid cigarette TRICK

Yes i know

[fading cove]

by telling him to do some stupid shit

[minor ore]

They never showed that trick before

[fading cove]

thats just them messing with him

[minor ore]

Oh yeah thats what i thought

[fading cove]

they knew he wasnt jotaro

[minor ore]

But i can see the confusion

[fading cove]

i dont

[minor ore]

Or where it can come from

I mean obviously people that think that jotaro was able to do that thing they definitely believed that it was in fact jotaro

[fading cove]

thats the problem

like how the manga doesnt have the photo of the gang

but jotaro has it in part 5 on his desk

[queen fox]

good job DP did it tho

[minor ore]

Ohhh

Oh so this is a anime/manga issue i see

[fading cove]

im sure araki thought a picture of the crusaders would look pretty nice on jotaro's desk because he cared about them all

some of it

some of it is the fans are stupid

like the requiem vs stand arrow theory

its stupid

[minor ore]

Go big brain redhawk

Get em when theyre being dumb

[fading cove]

king crimson theory time

xd

[minor ore]

No not that please god

Im over that

I enjoyed it

[fading cove]

jojolion has part 5 undertones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[minor ore]

what

Stop it

I am in the

[fading cove]

josuke acts like giorno

[minor ore]

I am a rock right

[fading cove]

you cant tell me he doesnt

[minor ore]

Oh

He kinda does

Josuke part 8 is already my favourite jojo

[fading cove]

and that would mean there has to be another golden wind character

since kira is dead

[minor ore]

I love him to death

[fading cove]

a villain type

[minor ore]

...

[fading cove]

xd

[minor ore]

Thats

[fading cove]

you know what im talking about

[minor ore]

Stop with the long shots please

[fading cove]

xd

[minor ore]

Josuke is different from giorno though

[fading cove]

it would make sense with how sbr was written

[minor ore]

huh

[fading cove]

i mean he's more unknowing for sure

but he still has that cruel switch giorno has

[minor ore]

Idk what it is he seems to be more passionate and have stronger resolve for some reason

josuke be ending mfs man he don’t play around

Fr

[fading cove]

he dont

[minor ore]

I love that though good for him

[fading cove]

people have compared the fruit team to la squadra

but i dont see it

besides the drugs/fruit

[minor ore]

FRUIT TEAM

BYE

[fading cove]

xd

best name

[minor ore]

I AM NOT CAUGHT UP

[fading cove]

dimes for crimes

[minor ore]

WHATS A FRUIT TEAM

[fading cove]

what chapter you on?

[minor ore]

Dont tell me

I am A ROCK

[fading cove]

oh

yeah

[minor ore]

I literally just heard about the fruit

[fading cove]

he part of fruit team

xd

[minor ore]

I saw it

Fall

[fading cove]

i didnt know

[minor ore]

Into the ocean

And josuke didnt fucking take it

[fading cove]

and josuke was like "no air for you"

thanos snaps

giorno theme

[minor ore]

Im so mad he died tho i wanted that guy to live

[fading cove]

xd

minor villains dont live

this is jojo

xd

[minor ore]

I kinda liked him for his hatred and its super intriguing

[fading cove]

have youve seen "is valentine a rock human" xd

[minor ore]

I wanna know what kira did or who ever the other half is

[fading cove]

you get to know that

[minor ore]

Oooo

OOOO

[fading cove]

vitamin c and killer queen

[minor ore]

I cant waitt

I

[fading cove]

its like chapter 50

[minor ore]

that arc is top 5 all time for me

Vitamin c

Chapter 50...

Hold up..

[fading cove]

vitamin c and killer queen

[minor ore]

Fuck chaper 33

[fading cove]

its a flash back ofc because killer queen is in it

[queen fox]

I hope they bring back roundabout

in part 6

it'd make a lot of sense

[minor ore]

Why?

[fading cove]

have you guys seen the sbr opening

[queen fox]

since part 6 is the last main universe part

[fading cove]

by disco?

i hope they redo the manga panels

[grizzled pilot]

consider: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51oPKLSuyQY

[minor ore]

Giorno i understand yes it would be cool but why does that make sense

[fading cove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wAq8QetOUQ

[minor ore]

Oh I've seen that

Its really fucking good

[queen fox]

18 minutes

[fading cove]

he makes good shit

[minor ore]

I havent listened to sono chi no sadame in so long

So it elevated the experience

[fading cove]

it has panels from the current arc too

in the begaining

dangerous pursuit

if only stand names where not in the chapter name

[minor ore]

I shh i dont know that

[fading cove]

anyway

ill leave you to reading

[minor ore]

I wasnt reading xd

[fading cove]

i mean i didnt know who any of the jojo's where when i watched the og sono chi no sadame

[minor ore]

Yup me neither

Only spoilers i got was

Part 6 universe reset

Pucci 3 stands

[fading cove]

i mean

[minor ore]

Which kinda annoyed me but i dont think it ruined anything

[fading cove]

i thought jolyne could beat c moon

[queen fox]

C-Moon is almost unbeatable

[fading cove]

but once it was made in heaven even jotaro knew

[minor ore]

Mobius strip

[fading cove]

also

^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWsScCVr978

[minor ore]

That was

So fucking cool

[fading cove]

one knife throw xd

[minor ore]

Part 6s had the saddest ending

If only it had a better main antagonist

[kind owl]

@minor ore, Your Stand Power is now level 4 !

[fading cove]

part 4 and 6 have really satisfying endings

the dual ghost room and weather report was insane

[minor ore]

Idk how pucci couldve been written better but i loved foo annasui jolyne hermes and weather report way too much for the villain to be just as weakly written as pucci

Like mannn what a waste of great main characters

[fading cove]

i mean pucci is great because of weather

[minor ore]

The more i think about part 6 the higher it goes on my list of favourites

Yeah pucci//weather relationship was fucking amazing

Dios sons were fucking ASS

[fading cove]

the backstory is amazing

yeah

[minor ore]

And the ending fight was way too long

[fading cove]

bohemian rhapsody was so bs

[minor ore]

I think skipping c moon wouldve been great

[fading cove]

"he lost his will to live"

[minor ore]

Bro if we could cut some parts of part 6 out

[fading cove]

c moon was hyp

[minor ore]

It would be way better

Bohemian rhapsody was stupid

[fading cove]

cut bohemian rhapsody and jade dragon

[minor ore]

Yes

[fading cove]

we do not talk about the cursed prison arc

[minor ore]

Give the minor antagonists more personality

Not just serving pucci

[fading cove]

that arc was so terrible it made me dislike the rest of stone ocean

[minor ore]

Cursed prison?

[fading cove]

the max prison arc

with jade dragon

and the stupid trees

[minor ore]

Yeah that was just dumb

[fading cove]

and yo mama stand was so stupid

[minor ore]

The whole achieving heaven process

Was just what the fuck

[fading cove]

i would have liked it if giorno came back

[minor ore]

Araki wanted dio back that bad?

[fading cove]

around c moon

and the arrow rejects him

and it goes to pucci

and pucci throws it away

[minor ore]

How would he have saved them-

[queen fox]

I would've hated for Giorno to come back in part 6

[minor ore]

Oh

[fading cove]

i mean he would have acted like part 3 dio

[minor ore]

But the meaning of part 5 wouldve been ruined

[fading cove]

because of the words in his soul or something

i mean part 5 is my least favorite part

[minor ore]

I

[fading cove]

everything happens at the same time as part 4

everything

[minor ore]

how

Wdym

[queen fox]

what

[fading cove]

its the opposite

instead of villain escaping

heros escape

instead of villain getting power up

hero does

[queen fox]

how do you hate part 5?

[minor ore]

Excuse me

[queen fox]

legit, I'm worried

[fading cove]

it all happens at the same time

its not bad

its predictable

[minor ore]

Bro

Idk what ur on but i dont wanna be on that

Get rid of that drug

Delete it from existence

[fading cove]

i do not like king crimson

[pastel adder]

yeah no more opinions allowed gtfo

[fading cove]

he seems way to op

[minor ore]

GHJHZHAHS

@pastel adder its uncommon and i cannot fathom it my brain is rejecting it

[fading cove]

if he wasnt then the requiem would not feel like asspull

[minor ore]

Im not trying to attack anyone im in shock

[pastel adder]

nah for real refuting opinions is fine imo

if someone has wack reasoning then go ahead

[queen fox]

if you think Requiem is an asspull, you likely skipped the entire SCR fight

[fading cove]

part 6 caught my eye because it was so different

[pastel adder]

requiem an asspull when the entire last portion of the part is to achieve it

[minor ore]

Part 6 was great dont get me wrong but part 5 had so much more depth and meaning to it

[queen fox]

it's not an asspull by definition

[fading cove]

it gives the best example of a lot of things in jojo

[astral cargo]

Part 6 convo

[west zealot]

Maybe he just mean its "ability"

[fading cove]

like how araki writes characters

[astral cargo]

Also, Pucci is well written

[fading cove]

best example is in part 5

[queen fox]

that's just an op ability, not an asspull

[fading cove]

when giorno meets the gang

[minor ore]

@astral cargo to some extent i just dont like the dio vibes he gives off

[queen fox]

like saying Super Saiyan is an asspull

[astral cargo]

His sense of self righteousness is really interesting

[minor ore]

Leader sending minions

[fading cove]

i mean if king crimson was slightly less op then i would believe it

[minor ore]

I dont like that at all

[fading cove]

king crimson is up there with made in heaven unbeatable not c moon not likely to bet

[astral cargo]

Every other villain does that lol

Not the pillar men tho

[fading cove]

not really

[queen fox]

King Crimson almost lost to fucking Metallica

[minor ore]

Thats not true

[fading cove]

dio knew he was evil

kira didnt care xd

[astral cargo]

Dio sends minions

[fading cove]

dio was evil jesus xd

[astral cargo]

Diavolo sends minions

[minor ore]

Kira didnt have minions

[fading cove]

diavolo throught he was right though

[west zealot]

Kira cared

[astral cargo]

Kira’s dad sends random stand users lol

[fading cove]

its not diavolo bizarre adventure

[grizzled pilot]

no, diavolo knew he was wrong

and didn't care

[fading cove]

kira's dad just wants to help his son

[grizzled pilot]

i... think

[minor ore]

Diavolo didnt really have minions it was like a crossfire wdym

[fading cove]

kira is simple

[astral cargo]

Pucci acts out of selflessness

[west zealot]

Diavolo is gangsta af

[grizzled pilot]

i'll admit that i don't think i had a good read on diavolo's point of view

[pastel adder]

Diavolo kinda just doesn't give a fuck because he believes everything he does is backed by fate itself

[pastel adder]

and in a sense it is due to his ability

[astral cargo]

He believes he’s on a mission from god that will result in a happier world for everyone

[fading cove]

kira knew he was wrong

he did not care

[west zealot]

Well his end goal is making a peaceful life

[fading cove]

"that is how I deal with society, and I know that is what brings me happiness."

[west zealot]

So he kind of cares

[fading cove]

he had one

[west zealot]

It just works out weird

[fading cove]

intill a middle school kid wanted a sandwich

[grizzled pilot]

kira's not interested in beating the joestars or anything

he's fine if they win as long as he gets an acceptable outcome

[fading cove]

he is after they threaten his life

his peaceful life

[astral cargo]

He just wants his hands for god’s sake

[grizzled pilot]

no, he doesn't have any particular interest in that

he doesn't want his peaceful life back or anything after he moves in with the kawajiris

he's fine with his new one

[minor ore]

If u make kira sleep at 10:01 he WILL murder you

[fading cove]

no

he is not

[minor ore]

U are ruining his peace

[fading cove]

he does feel love but his hand fetish is way more important to him

[minor ore]

Ur a cause of anxiety for him

[fading cove]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[grizzled pilot]

right but he doesn't see his goal as "kill the joestars"

he sees it as "stop the joestars' investigation"

which, when it comes down to it, means a direct conflict at the end

but he did his best to avoid that

[fading cove]

he wants his peaceful life

[grizzled pilot]

he even says something to the effect of "i could have taken you out at any time" during the start of their last confrontation

[minor ore]

Mori mori mori

[fading cove]

this is why kira is my favorite villain

[grizzled pilot]

although he was probably just talking big

[minor ore]

Morioh cho radiooo

[fading cove]

i mean he gets a dio size ego boost at the end

[minor ore]

He got cocky

[fading cove]

i mean bites the dust is op

then a 4th grader out smarted him

xd

[minor ore]

Bites the dust is invincible period

[astral cargo]

Kira fucks up

[minor ore]

He couldve just not fucked with hayato

[fading cove]

i mean all kira had to do was run from josuke

[minor ore]

But he got cocky

[fading cove]

thats all he had to do

[pastel adder]

btd is mad situational is the issue, but if it's set up then it's really strong

[grizzled pilot]

Bites The Dust is sooo funny

its the most unfuckupable power in jojo

[west zealot]

Bites za dusto

[fading cove]

i mean he could have run from josuke

[grizzled pilot]

and kira fucks it up

[astral cargo]

Out of all the main villains, Kira fucks up the hardest.

[minor ore]

Yeah exactly

[fading cove]

he only had to run for like 2 minutes

[minor ore]

I need to rewatch part 4

[fading cove]

and everyone would die

[nova compass]

My stand defeated him

[grizzled pilot]

he didn't know the time limit

[fading cove]

because they all died on the 3rd reset

[grizzled pilot]

he didn't know that they would die for certain either

he had no way of knowing that josuke would have died

[fading cove]

i mean but he knew it was hayto's 2nd or 3rd reset

[grizzled pilot]

or okuyasu either

only because he's very analytical

he doesn't know the details, he just worked it out from how hayato behaves

this is explicit, not conjecture

[fading cove]

if he didnt get an ego boost at the end he would have won

but

just like diavolo he got the ego boost

and fought

and lost badly

[minor ore]

long distance fight between kira and josuke

[nova compass]

Anyone who got an ego boost usually dies

[west zealot]

I put Kira right below Pucci for coming the closest to his goal

[fading cove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOi1cCUpiQ8

[grizzled pilot]

the janitor from part 5

closest to his goal was kars

[fading cove]

i mean

[grizzled pilot]

who actually made it

for more than a minute

[fading cove]

kira and diavolo had their goals form the start

their motivation was keeping it

[grizzled pilot]

kira's goal for the last third of DiU then

[fading cove]

keeping what they hold so deeply

[west zealot]

Yeah I dont really think that changes my point but go off fam!

[fading cove]

i mean im not just talking shit when i say part 4 and 5 are very similar

kira and diavolo just want to kill anyone who threatens what they have

[ruby prism]

just wondering, is the most colored chapter up to chapter 59? the next few chapters after it aren't colored so I'm wondering if the team stopped coloring it from there

[long plume]

[winter adder]

It should be up to 66 last I checked

[long plume]

[kind owl]

@long plume, Your Stand Power is now level 7 !

[minor ore]

B&W is better imo

[inner gust]

@minor ore Spicy and respectable taste

[kind owl]

@inner gust, Your Stand Power is now level 9 !

[ruby prism]

Yes! Respectable! But I prefer colored bc colored jojolion has some really warm colors

[rapid aspen]

joshu

It’s gonna be slightly jarring changing from colour to B&W

But that’s okay ^^

[nova compass]

i wonder what character will change after jojolion come out as anime

[astral cargo]

Just start by reading B&W so you don’t suffer from withdrawal when you catch up

[minor ore]

when jojolion anime comes out i want this to be the opening music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgljwmFyQo4

[full dove]

It will be crazy noisy town 2

[minor ore]

sad 😔

it actually sonds fitting

[green nacelle]

oo

[kind owl]

@green nacelle, Your Stand Power is now level 4 !

[ruby prism]

Why does everyone want that song to be the opening jojo? I’m not saying it’s bad, I love that song but I’m just curious

[minor ore]

idk i prefer it being September for the op

wait

im dumb

https://youtu.be/uTkti85HEqQ

this would be dope if they ever get around to animating jojolion

[grizzled pilot]

the ED

[minor ore]

yeah

got them mixed up for a second

[queen fox]

@ruby prism it's the lyrics of the songs

[ruby prism]

@queen fox what’s in the lyrics?

[queen fox]

do you remember*

[winter adder]

JoJolion is also heavily tied to its season thanks to fruit (:

[ruby prism]

?

[minor ore]

rokkakaka fruit

[zenith sable]

crazy noisy bizzare town 2

[burnt pagoda]

Crazyer noisier bizarrer townleyer town 2

[minor ore]

rooookak

[winter adder]

I sure hope they call the new rokakaka the rokakakaka or something hahahaha

[queen fox]

Rokakakaka

I bet Araki is going to make it a pun

[ocean mirage]

What if the new rokakaka makes people becomes dios kids when eaten?

[upper knoll]

dios dead so no

He never had kids

[ocean mirage]

Dip always come back

[minor ore]

with chips?

[ocean mirage]

Damn iPhone autocorrecting

[upper knoll]

He came back and he died

Then he came back from an another world and died again

So he's pretty dead if you ask me

[ocean mirage]

So you’re telling me that araki can’t incorporate dio in jojo anymore?

[shy pawn]

We got plenty of dio as it was

I think it’s about time we get new villains

[ocean mirage]

How about a new dio

And his name is cardio

[minor ore]

[upper knoll]

Carco?

[ocean mirage]

Yea

[winter adder]

Isn’t the fact that some DIO from another timeline put the corpse in a vault so it would then be taken out by Johnny and eventually make the Wall Eyes so the new rokakaka would eventually form enough

[ocean mirage]

We just need more dio

I hope next part is just dio fighting another dios in hell

[winter adder]

Heaven DIO is real and canon!!?! Abwuh?!?!

[ocean mirage]

Yes

[shy pawn]

Please no

Heaven ascension dio was so dumb

[ancient depot]

DIO is the holy corpse

[ocean mirage]

Yes

Part 8 solved

[elfin bear]

that means dio was inside johnny

[winter adder]

He put the corpse in the corpse vault!!!! Everything is technically happening because of Diegooooo

[alpine whale]

diego has a long distant relative known as....

dora brando

[hearty path]

Ugh when is the next Jojo game coming out? I want to play as jojolion characters

[burnt pagoda]

Jojo's battle royal

[left flare]

NO

[burnt pagoda]

Its already there

But if we get a FG I hope it's not like eoh or any of those garbage ass anime games like naruto oneepiece etc

[hearty path]

Eyes of Heaven was cute

I played the shit out of it

[cloud cipher]

i really enjoyed asb

[hearty path]

The gameplay sucked but there was enough quality content packed in that I didn’t care

[cloud cipher]

fighting games very rarely works in third person

[lucid fiber]

Only about two weeks until the next chapter

[hearty path]

The ‘moves’ as quotes and references really worked.

[kind owl]

@hearty path, Your Stand Power is now level 1 !

[hearty path]

I got caught up tonight.

[winter adder]

We’d have to force the powers that be to make JoJolion merch next

[fathom field]

I'd either want a brawler Jojo's like smash or rivals. Or a Jojo's like the MvC series

The latter would do more justice for the art style

[winter adder]

Why did I have four mentions here

[supple totem]

people love you

you'r fantastic!

that's why

[winter adder]

🥺

🥴

[supple totem]

😳

[little zenith]

🥴

[minor ore]

🥴

[supple totem]

🥴

[ocean mirage]

[ruby river]

Damn S&W seems to be a really powerful stand

[supple totem]

i'm assuming that you have just started reading

part 8

[ruby river]

Yeah

I already like the stand tho

[daring bear]

Yee it's one of my favorites

Scary monsters will remain the best stand to me tho

[ruby river]

Josuke8 is wacky but i like him xd

[daring bear]

Same

Where are you at in the story?

[ruby river]

Eh, only the end of fun fun fun arc, not a lot

[daring bear]

Epik

[astral cargo]

this

This damn sketch

Damo is so short and chonky and then there’s just Hato

Normally proportioned

[little zenith]

hato looks a lot like abacchio

[ocean mirage]

dang

[little zenith]

wait

[ocean mirage]

oh wow you're kinda right

i never noticed the hair

[little zenith]

eh

[ocean mirage]

but then her hair is like arrows

[little zenith]

but then that means diavolo and anasui are related in some way

yeah

[ocean mirage]

use the manga abbachio, it's more pointy

[astral cargo]

The difference is

Anasui only looks like Diavolo in the color scans

[little zenith]

True

[astral cargo]

Hato only looks like Abbachio in b&w

[little zenith]

B&w?

[winter adder]

Monochrome
Except not really since they both happen to be wearing a kind of dark purple

[astral cargo]

Yeah, you’re right

[little zenith]

Hold on

Is there a counterpart to the speed wagon foundation?

[winter adder]

Not exactly

Speedwagon funded the race

But outside of that, the oil company hasn’t done anything at all

[little zenith]

Tim foundation

[winter adder]

Right, but Speedwagon also existed as his own person

[little zenith]

He did

Wait what

send pic

[winter adder]

It’s mentioned in a single panel

[little zenith]

Oh

Wait so

That means that mountain tim isn’t his alternative?

[winter adder]

I would say no because of this, but someone somewhere once said that characters can have numerous counterparts

[little zenith]

Like

Who

[winter adder]

Jotaro being Kyo and Kira
Kira being Kira and Jotaro
Mamezuku being Rohan and Toyohiro

[little zenith]

Shit yeah

[bitter tundra]

If Dosuke has four balls, would he cum a ton or would just one pair be emptied every time he ejaculated?

[winter adder]

I wish I paid attention in health enough to tell you

[bitter tundra]

I WILL NOT REST UNTIL THIS QUESTION IS ANSWERED

[ocean mirage]

i wonder how it's even wired

[little zenith]

probably

[bitter tundra]

DA FUCK DOES THAT MEAN

[pseudo coral]

Do yall know a stand called "i am a rock" ?

[ocean mirage]

i am an island

[winter adder]

It’s the first actual enemy stand

Why

[ocean mirage]

i guess it make sense since they're rock human

[long flax]

I am a block

[fading cove]

I am roblox

cursed

anyway how do i explain that jojo isnt just kono dio da spam

to normal anime watchers

[winter adder]

Tell them that like most anime fans they might see we can be dripbrains and that’s literally only in the first episode and maybe once more in the 74th one

(The last episode of Stardust Crusaders since that’s when DIO snaps in half)

[paper quail]

I feel like Araki forgot soft & wet has a stand ability

It's so underused

[wild wave]

Gonna prank Gappy when he uses Plunder again

[paper quail]

Araki: Here is an interesting stand with a dynamic ability
Araki: It's a jumpy frog hehe

[minor ore]

That also fucks up your vision

To a point where you could see a bus as a person

[neat mortar]

Should I start part 8 or just wait until it's actually finished (or the other undesirable alternative)?

[minor ore]

I think you should start considering its over 90 chapters long

[burnt pagoda]

I mean he hasn't fought in a while

Last time was poor tom

And that was it

I didn't understand how he was shooting poor Tom with fruit though

[minor ore]

He didnt

Someone else shot him

[paper quail]

Poor tom's fight was just..

Jobin with the wikipedia pulled up

[minor ore]

Big brain

[burnt pagoda]

200iq

[viral plume]

So 10 meters and a litte per atmosphere, epic

[heavy grove]

Broke: who shot johnny joestar
Woke: who shot poor tom

😳

[kind owl]

@inner cloak, Your Stand Power is now level 2 !

[winter adder]

Wasn’t it probably the HD

[proud stag]

that's what lots of people guess

well it surely is one of the best conclusions we have yet

[winter adder]

Unless it was Kaato shooting something out of her cards because she’ll be relevant again eventually

Although it felt like a lifetime, the whole Jobin flashback happened only twenty chapters or so ago

[proud stag]

eh
if it wasn't related to Akefu, it'd be Wu
Cato's way too off

[minor ore]

It couldve been the hd stand

[worthy wyvern]

Imagine getting beaten by tape

[copper jay]

its a shame how araki just keeps introducing all of these characters and keeps pushing them to the side

hopefully we see more of the others now because of whats happening with Tsurugi

[proud stag]

who exactly?

the higashikata kids?

[upper knoll]

Karera, Kyo and Hato imo

[proud stag]

Both Karera and Cato seem like they're going to appear to 100%.
Someone like Kyo could
and in all honesty I don't believe Hato or Daiya's going to be doing anything at all at this point.

oh yeah and I believe Joshu's gonna play a big role somewhere

[upper knoll]

tbh

This server's given me enough Joshu so I'm satisfied

[proud stag]

there's never enough Joshu

tf?

[minor ore]

lmao

[upper knoll]

I apologize.

[paper quail]

How many JoJo's are in part 8?

[winter adder]

2.5

[paper quail]

Josefumi, Josuke, Jobin, Joshu, Kira, Norisuke, uh...

[minor ore]

kira isnt really a jojo

[paper quail]

Holly's son

technicality?

[minor ore]

having a birthmark doesent make you a jojo

[winter adder]

Johnny briefly

[paper quail]

[winter adder]

Josefumi

and Josuke

[paper quail]

Oh yeah Johnny

[minor ore]

if that was the case everyone since jonathan wouldve been a jojo

[paper quail]

Okay so

Johnny, Josefumi, Gappy, Jobin, Joshu, Norisuke

[winter adder]

None of the actual Higashikatas are JoJos except for Norisuke technically

[minor ore]

^

[paper quail]

???

If the birthmark doesn't make you a jojo and the initials Jo Jo don't make you a jojo then what makes you a jojo

[minor ore]

where does kira have a jo in his name

birthmark makes you a joestar

nowhere

[paper quail]

He has the birthmark

[winter adder]

Ah, yes, Kirajo and Joly

[minor ore]

norisuke's birthname is josuke and suke can be read as jo

^

[paper quail]

Yes

[minor ore]

ojshu and jobin might have jos

but only 1

[paper quail]

Norisuke is a JoJo because his birthname was Josuke Higashikata

[winter adder]

Requirements for JoJoness:

• Birthmark
• Having a name that can be shortened to JoJo
  It’s not one or the other, it’s both

[paper quail]

Jobin Higashikata and Joshu Higashikata

[winter adder]

Norisuke is a special boy

That doesn’t count!!!!

[minor ore]

higashikata doesent have a jo in it

[tawny sentinel]

It can be read as jo

I think

[winter adder]

Nope

[minor ore]

no

that’d be weird

[tawny sentinel]

Oh

K

[minor ore]

josuke can cause suke can be read as jo

[paper quail]

🤷

[tawny sentinel]

I know nothing

[minor ore]

so the name itself is Jojo

[winter adder]

The “-Suke” in “Josuke” can be

[paper quail]

suke being read as Jo isn't weird but anything in Higashikata being read as Jo is weird

thanks Japan

[minor ore]

cause higashikata cant be read as jo

[grizzled pilot]

Norisuke is a JoJo because his birthname was Josuke Higashikata
just wanna say that it's a different spelling for him

but the pun still works

[minor ore]

also joshu being a jojo

[paper quail]

THE DOG

The dog is a jojo

[minor ore]

the thought of that is laughable

[grizzled pilot]

Josuke (DiU) is 仗助
Josuke (JJL) is 定助
norisuke's birthname is 常助

[minor ore]

Joshu Joestar

[paper quail]

Yasuho's dog that was named Josuke

[minor ore]

[grizzled pilot]

yasuho's dog is exactly the same as gappy's name tho

[minor ore]

except he isnt related to them

this is such a disgusting emote jesus

[paper quail]

[minor ore]

my theory is that josefumi is the jojo of p8

[winter adder]

[rancid wave]

He is

[paper quail]

Stop denying Joshu the right of being a JoJo

[winter adder]

Do I have some news for you

[paper quail]

he's the main character

[minor ore]

go on then go go

[winter adder]

Isn’t he the main JoJo with some extra body parts, missing memories, and a cool hat

[paper quail]

Giorno is only a JoJo because Gio sounds like Jo

[minor ore]

i mean its mainly josefumi

the way he acts in the backstory is the same how josuke acts

[paper quail]

Wait so

[grizzled pilot]

italian has no "J"

[rancid wave]

Josefumi has jouske hair he is jouske

[grizzled pilot]

thats why giorno's name is like that

[proud stag]

Imagine truly believing that any of the Higashikatas is a Jojo

[paper quail]

Josefumi Kujo gives Josuke his JoJo name and Kira gives him the birthmark making Gappy a true jojo?

[minor ore]

josefumi is alt josuke

[grizzled pilot]

josuke????

[minor ore]

josefumi has a birthmark

[paper quail]

Yeah

Josefumi is AU Josuke

[minor ore]

so no, kira didnt give him anything

[paper quail]

does Josefumi have the birthmark?

[minor ore]

yes

[rancid wave]

Ye

[grizzled pilot]

no one is concretely alt anything

[paper quail]

Kira did give him something

[rancid wave]

But we don’t know the relation

[paper quail]

Kira gave Gappy Wikipedia knowledge

[minor ore]

josefumi has the birthmark, is alt josuke, has the ora stand cry and keeps soft & wet

[paper quail]

Yeah

[grizzled pilot]

oh notably, josuke (diu) didn't have the birthmark

[minor ore]

he did, it was just never shown in the manga

[paper quail]

Josuke in DiU had the birthmark

[grizzled pilot]

or at least, we never see it

[paper quail]

we saw it in the anime iirc

[grizzled pilot]

who cares

[minor ore]

he always wore his uniform which covered his neck

[grizzled pilot]

zero authorial intent on the anime

[wild wave]

Yeah there’s a couple shots where we see his birthmark

[grizzled pilot]

but now that i think about it, i think he has it in an artbook or something

[paper quail]

yeah

[minor ore]

i mean, why would josuke be the mc at all if he wasnt the jojo

[rancid wave]

^

[paper quail]

Giorno also had the birthmark

[grizzled pilot]

giorno had it ya

[paper quail]

Would pretty weird if Araki gave all joestars (even Giorno) birthmarks and not Josuke

[grizzled pilot]

but its not like a little star determines your worthiness as a main character

[paper quail]

it kinda does tho

[grizzled pilot]

i kind of like to think he doesn't have it

he's his own hero

[paper quail]

100% of the JoJo Main characters have the birthmark

[grizzled pilot]

of the golden hearts of morioh

[minor ore]

dumb thought considering he's joseph's son

[paper quail]

Also they don't have to necessarily be pure of heart or whatever. Joseph was a dick head.

[minor ore]

bastard or not

[rancid wave]

Jonathan and Joseph didn’t have a birthmark in the manga

[paper quail]

It was retconned in part 3

[ancient depot]

i follow cx’s line of reasoning but not regarding the star mark

more of the fact that his intended name doesn’t have more than one jo in it

[minor ore]

honestly joseph cheating also feels retconned

[grizzled pilot]

joseph and jonathan (as dio) had the mark in part 3

[rancid wave]

Ye so David production added it

[paper quail]

no

well yes

[minor ore]

like some way to have josuke

[paper quail]

Did we see it?

[grizzled pilot]

no joseph was just stupid as fuck

[paper quail]

Joseph was selfish af

he also cheated on his wife

[minor ore]

ahuh

[paper quail]

Jonathan was rolling in his grave

[minor ore]

if joseph was selfish you think he wouldve left his daughter to die

[paper quail]

people can't mature and get better

[minor ore]

and not cared for anyone in p2

[paper quail]

all people stay the same no matter how old they are

[minor ore]

but he was the opposite of all that

[paper quail]

You're right Joseph cheated on his wife because he really cared about her

Josuke actually gets a lot of personality traits from Joseph

like his greed

Meanwhile Giorno inherits a golden heart from Jonathan

[rancid wave]

But part 6 tho

[supple plaza]

And his violent and sadistic side from Dio

[paper quail]

yeah

[rancid wave]

Dio’s kids ruin part 5

[supple plaza]

Not really

[paper quail]

What was Giorno described as? The heart of Jonathan with the mind of DIO?

[rancid wave]

Although they are sorta good in a way

[supple plaza]

All of Dio's kids had a shit life, Giorno included. Giorno was only saved by chance

[paper quail]

Giorno inherited a better stand

[supple plaza]

Otherwise he would have ended up just like them

[rancid wave]

But at the same time giorno should have met up with dio’s kids

By fate

[paper quail]

Well that fate brought them together in part 6

we know Giorno was in Florida

[supple plaza]

You could say in a way that Giorno was so radically different from the other kids in how he turned out he basically had no relation with them

[kind owl]

@supple plaza, Your Stand Power is now level 3 !

[rancid wave]

Well that is true

[paper quail]

The other kids bother me

[grizzled pilot]

[4:21 PM] Ed: we know Giorno was in Florida
we don't know this

[rancid wave]

Cow suit and drug dealer

[grizzled pilot]

it's implied but not ascertained

[paper quail]

Re-read part 6 and come back

[grizzled pilot]

no

[supple plaza]

Why is this chat happening in Part 8 room though

[grizzled pilot]

who cares

[supple plaza]

Me

[paper quail]

lol

[grizzled pilot]

:v

[paper quail]

Well it started with part 8's discussion on how many jojo's there were in part 8

and then moved on to what makes a jojo

and then the birthmark

and then what makes a main character

[supple plaza]

Anyway, what're the most plausible theories on why the Wall Eyes exist so far?

[paper quail]

Wall Eyes were a plot device that will never be mentioned again

F

[supple plaza]

They are mentioned

They were mentioned when Ojirou came back

[paper quail]

I liked the wall eyes actually

He mentioned the cliff

[rancid wave]

Honestly the wall eyes is like the devils palm they barley delved into

[paper quail]

not specifically the wall eyes though I don't think

[grizzled pilot]

the wall eyes were mentioned by name yes

[rancid wave]

Wall eyes= Devil palm

[paper quail]

I'm pretty sure the wall eyes and the devils palm are like the same thing. The corpse just created it.

Jesus created it

[winter adder]

Jesus was hanging around in Morioh for live

[supple plaza]

Listen Araki brought back Ojirou he's not gonna forget about the Wall Eyes

[winter adder]

Like

Five minutes

[rancid wave]

Jesus just died there

[paper quail]

I liked Ojirou too bad he's fucking dead now

[winter adder]

Ojiro’s girlfriend was literally talking about the Wall Eyes recently

[grizzled pilot]

he could be ok

[winter adder]

Good thing Jobin isn’t the enemy

[supple plaza]

He most definetly isn't

[winter adder]

He was announced dead on the news

[paper quail]

Implying

wtf

we saw his dead body at the bottom of the pool

[supple plaza]

But honestly I think it's somehow connected to the Rock Humans

And whatever they're planning

[winter adder]

I thought the general thing was

[paper quail]

When we saw the head doctor I thought "If I ever thought of a rock human that's what it would look like."

[supple plaza]

Remember, they're more 'compatible' with the Rokakaka fruit, and we don't know what they want with the new branch

[grizzled pilot]

ojiro might be okay

[paper quail]

When araki busted out the silicon based life forms I started wheezing tbh

[grizzled pilot]

we don't know for sure

[paper quail]

Ojiro is definitely not okay

[supple plaza]

Why am I expecting the Wall Eyes being some fucking Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood shit

[paper quail]

we saw his dead body at the bottom of the pool

[supple plaza]

Reap out all the souls of Morioh

[grizzled pilot]

he was just snoozing

[paper quail]

Snoozing after his brain melted from Speed King

[grizzled pilot]

yeah!

[winter adder]

Jesus hangs out in Morioh
The Devil’s Palm emerges around him and gets buried after he is taken away
The land around Jesus has transfer powers because has has transfer powers
The Higashikata land has transfer powers
The earthquakes happen in Japan
The Devil’s Palm re-emerge as a result
They’re called Wall Eyes now
The mysterious bite mark is Jesus

[grizzled pilot]

in a non-deadly way

[paper quail]

Speed King is terrifying btw

[winter adder]

Don’t the Rock Humans have a scheme to help the rich reach immortality

[supple plaza]

Then again, Jojolion does have some alchemy stuff with the equivalent exchange things

[paper quail]

maybe the rock humans are trying to unrock themselves with the rokakaka?

[supple plaza]

I think it's more like the rock humans are trying to be superior to humanity

[winter adder]

The equivalent exchange that is brought by Jesus and also Act IV for some reason

Urban Guerilla did, but that was specifically his goal

[paper quail]

I mean we saw how much it sucked being a rock human during the fight where King Nothing was introduced

Didn't Act 4 create shakedown road iirc?

[winter adder]

Remember the whole explanation on how the New (Jesus) Rokakaka can replace cells

[supple plaza]

I think specifically it sucks being a rock human in a human society

[paper quail]

yeah

[winter adder]

Shakedown Road occurred because Jesus was buried in a tree or something

[supple plaza]

You can't explain everything with Jesus

[paper quail]

Either Rock humans want the rokakaka to turn human or rock humans want to turn humans into rock humans.

[winter adder]

That’s literally what it was

[paper quail]

Well Johnny's infinte rotation never stopped

[winter adder]

The only thing I can’t explain with Jesus is where the Rock Humans came from and why the rokakaka come from New Guinea

[supple plaza]

Also the rock curse

[paper quail]

The only time he stopped it was when he hit it with another infinite rotation that was rotating the opposite way

[supple plaza]

That definetly didn't come from the Corpse

[paper quail]

^

Jesus wouldn't do that.. haha.. would he monkaS

[winter adder]

That too

[minor ore]

@paper quail i stand by the fact that both giorno and josuke's births are complete bullshit plotholes

[winter adder]

??????

[supple plaza]

He literally couldn't

Cause the rock curse happened before Jesus was brought to Japan

[paper quail]

the birthmarks were just a retcon anyway they hold no significance other than "They're a joestar"

[winter adder]

Jonathan has a kid
Joseph has a kid
We see Giorno’s birthmark
I don’t know about manga Josuke’s but it’s totally in the anime

[supple plaza]

It's the whole reason why Johnny stole him

Anyway yeah Josuke has a star birthmark

In the Anime

[paper quail]

The only reason the birthmark was even a thing was so that Joseph could tell the audience that DIO stole Jonathan's body. @minor ore

[minor ore]

joseph isnt selfish, we got to see him in 2 full parts and if anything hes selfless

[grizzled pilot]

manga josuke;s is never shown, unlike literally everyone else

[paper quail]

"This is how we know he stole his body"

[winter adder]

Have you seen Tomoko

[supple plaza]

Can you believe we're still talking about the Legend of Johnny Joestar chapter years later?

[winter adder]

Johnny doesn’t have his shown

[grizzled pilot]

he does in JJL

[winter adder]

The Legend of Johnny Joestar is the most important chapter

[paper quail]

@supple plaza it did kind of just end abruptly

[minor ore]

also why would dio impregnate such a fucking dull and lifeless woman

[winter adder]

Really?

[paper quail]

we never got like real answers from that chapter

[winter adder]

WHAT

[paper quail]

Josuke stopped pursuing it too because other things came up

[winter adder]

I swear to god if the baby that washed up on the shore is irrelevant

[paper quail]

Dio fucks whatever he wants don't judge his taste in women

[kind owl]

@paper quail, Your Stand Power is now level 9 !

[grizzled pilot]

no wait i'm getting mixed up

[minor ore]

well his taste is shit

[paper quail]

lmao

[grizzled pilot]

johnny does not have a birthmark shown

sorry :v

[winter adder]

It’s fine

[ancient depot]

the best definition of plothole: “something that happened in the story that i think is dumb”

[paper quail]

Johnny has the birthmark all over his hands 4head

[grizzled pilot]

TRUE

[winter adder]

Oh

Right

Valentine also stole his

[paper quail]

I dunno about Johnny and the Higashikatas. The Kujo's are the ones that have the birthmark in the AU afterall

[ancient depot]

and the kira’s now i guess

[grizzled pilot]

you could look at it that way

[supple plaza]

I think it's pretty clear what happened: Johnny shot himself to take in the curse from his son, he fell down dying, and the Stand tree responded to his wish to did by crushing his head with a rock

[winter adder]

I think it’s incredibly funny that Valentine displays his chad power by having numerous stars on his back

[paper quail]

I literally have no idea what part 8 even is and I'm caught up

[grizzled pilot]

it's not that confusing