since she wasn't sick before until Kira learned about the rokakaka
#jojolion
steep lodge
queen fox
so 2009 is a guess
because Holy wasn't sick until then
wait...
did Holy kill someone?
I've read this chapter like 5 times
but...
oh shit
new theory
similar to Mitsuba
her baby died after biting the Rokakaka
steep lodge
or she exchanged parts of her brain
queen fox
ya
steep lodge
queen fox
oh shit
I forgot about those
that can explain why her memories are all over the place
steep lodge
so its not about the life of her child
but remembering or recognizing her child
queen fox
since it feels like that
queen fox
she did create the room full of them, didn't she?
it's only reasonable for her to atleast try it
steep lodge
but why is she interested in researching them?
minor ore
and is kept within the head doctors reach so she cant spread info
queen fox
she was forced in it?
minor ore
also its a reach but i think holy and kaato are sisters and head doctor is the father
queen fox
I believe that
minor ore
holy was the first born of the head doctor
so she had the rock disease
kaato was safe
maybe when a rock human breeds with a human the result is the rock disease
or just a human connected to the rock humans like 1/4
queen fox
but it's existed for awhile now
pastel adder
I like this theory a lot
queen fox
I do believe that's how the disease was made
minor ore
cause she got it?
queen fox
wait
queen fox
pastel adder
I imagine the rock disease has to be related to the 2.5% of times that a rock human and human mating works
minor ore
yes
winter adder
Did I miss something
minor ore
the 97.5% that a rock human and a human will split up
but nothing about breeding was mentioned
i think the first norisuke was that love child
and he keeps transfering himself to new hosts that being the first borns
pastel adder
breeding has to be implied imo
pastel adder
so the disease is transferred to the human offspring but they have the curse of passing it down
pastel adder
if that isn't the cause of the disease I would be incredibly shocked
minor ore
maybe if theres 2 siblings
the ones dna rejects that rock human dna
causing the disease
steep lodge
minor ore
and the other becomes a safe half/half rock human and human
also tsurugis case somehow looks different
pastel adder
damn it's really translated as break up hmm I don't like that
I hope it means mating
gives the theory more validity
minor ore
when johnny had the disease his stand didnt start mutating
steep lodge
kind owlBOT
@steep lodge, Your Stand Power is now level 3 !
pastel adder
reading is hard
minor ore
maybe it was unnatural in the way a rokakaka was used
pastel adder
definitely a possibility with all the research that has been talked about and the stuff we still don't know about the fruit
minor ore
i do think the new rokakaka existed long ago
pastel adder
fusion between rock human and human 👀
pastel adder
there you get your hybrid with no mating involved
minor ore
yea unnatural
pastel adder
and the disease is the form of equivalent exchange for mixing?
minor ore
exactly
pastel adder
can't wait to see if this is right
minor ore
i doubt it
theres many good jojo theories about other parts
but they didnt turn out to be true'
pastel adder
always fun to delve into it at least, especially with JJL
minor ore
also the unnamed stand weve seen it shares some design elements with tooru
the head doctor is an illusion like a bait
and tooru uses him to activate his ability
also why does it have hand blades
its a defensive stand
pastel adder
I feel that theory becomes more and more unlikely with each chapter though
minor ore
tooru doesnt seem like hes controlling it in the recent one
pastel adder
I think Tooru is bad but I think the Head doctor is an actual person
minor ore
i doubt he knows the HD is at the house
also how many redesigns is my mans getting
wait this may be a little crazy right
but the original holy has a sister
guess who that is: shizuka
joseph adopted her so that makes her holys sister
whos also named tomoko
josukes mother
My final theory is that kaato is actually supposed to take either josuke or Shizukas place in the original universe family tree
That would mean so much incest lol
So holy, Norisuke and kaato are in a way blood related
Another thing is that weirdly Josefumi has the name Kujo
Holy does too
If Josefumi and Kira turn out to be brothers I-
winter adder
He does have the birthmark
In one single panel
Meaning that Josuke is a Joestar² maybe
tidal solstice
Josefumi and Kira barebacked so hard they fucking fused
cursive patrol
formal blaze
You don't think Araki would have the balls to kill Tsurugi do you
raw escarp
He probably would, but I don't think he will kill Tsurugi
minor ore
i think Rai might die
slender scroll
Bean boy is gonna survive for at least another arc.
Watch as Rai is the only survivor of the part
daring bear
minor ore
He is gonna get donutted
winter adder
So he was brought back after getting pressurized just to die again ?
lucid fiber
Mitsuba VS Her Kitchen is up there with Joseph VS An Escalator and Passione VS A Random Venetian Guy
kind sun
Man satoorus stand seems to be unbeatable
Also man someone will have to sacrifice for Tsurugi
Jobin is probably going to use the fruit to save his son
craggy belfry
I get what you mean but let's remember that Tsurugi is healed before the harvest with Notisuke in a body bag
And to my knowledge there are no other Rokkakas at the moment
Unless Akefu has a personal cache of them
thorn pier
which also means norisuke does not sacrifice himself for tsurigi
unless he does but is then revived somehow
craggy belfry
Get revived? I don't get what you're saying
thorn pier
I don't know, anything could happen really
craggy belfry
I just wonder how Josuke is gonna beat Akefu and what will even happen if he does
thorn pier
We don't know much about the HD
slow talon
Zero fucks given to copyright
kind owlBOT
@slow talon, Your Stand Power is now level 5 !
craggy belfry
He's looking for Akefu to get the Rokaka right? If I remember correctly. And we all know for that goal it's already a dead end
austere kayak
Didn't yotsuyu or someone say that tsurugi was the only right one in the family and that someone would betray the higashikata family
cause uh
thorn pier
He did?
craggy belfry
Yeah it was so early in JJL it wasn't really payed attention to
I have to say though
I love Awaking III Leaves even more now
austere kayak
I always read it as awakening
austere kayak
it has a sort of tusk act III design that i like
thorn pier
isn't it act 4?
thorn pier
oh and regarding somebody betraying the higashikata family jobin already did
austere kayak
good point
minor ore
Joshu?
thorn pier
what
minor ore
When did he betray them?
When he worked with the rock humans or when he took the branch
both
thorn pier
Both, I guess
minor ore
Eh, i dont really see that as betraying considering he still works normally there
minor ore
btw Shizuka exists in this Universe
Hato mentioned going skating with her
weirdly theres a higashikata in the original universe
so many parallels
kaato might be a joestar too
actually she cant be since she doesnt have a birthmark
that debunks the theory that kaato and holy are sisters
atleast not biological ones but maybe adopted idk
do we know where josefumi gets his birthmark too?
This kinda debunks my previous theories but Josefumis family tree is the parallel to The Original Josukes family tree
Josefumis father is the illegitimate child of joseph
hidden smelt
The head doctor has to be the main villain at this point imo
minor ore
maybe
he will play a role in the final battle
not sure if he'll be the main antagonist tho
grim arch
Imagine still thinking that there is a main antagonist of jojolion
Listen guys, not every story needs a main antagonist.
pastel adder
I have no reason to believe it will stray from the formula of every single one of the 7 parts before it though
It's a possibility for sure but I don't think it's very likely
minor ore
also HD is not attractive
we know an antagonist has to be attractive
tho for me its kinda morally grey Gappy is destroying the whole family for selfish reasons
kinda like kyo but does more
the family was fine without him but he got them into so much trouble
just for a damn fruit
he kinda reminds me of johnny in that way
pastel adder
The issue is that both sides are still in it for selfish reasons, it's just not all of the family is involved with Jobin's schemes I guess
Like Jobin just wants the fruit for the disease and that's it
minor ore
and money
do you think higashikatas get their money from the fruit parlor
lmfao jobin is fooling norisuke and getting all the cash from the fruit
its a bunch of people going crazy over money
same with kaato
pastel adder
that's probably right but each of Jobin and Josuke's motivations are for the sake of their family so idk if anyone is really in the right
pastel adder
But Jobin has a much more compelling motivation which is definitely similar to Johnny and Valentine
minor ore
she just wants the house and money
pastel adder
I said Josuke in that message
minor ore
happens to me too
i kinda mistake em
everyone is like J osuke, J obin, J oshuu
Jojojojoj
pastel adder
I don't like the name Gappy so I just like to call him Josuke
minor ore
its easier to call him gappy
i feel like the families of the higashikatas and joestars cross a few times
just hasnt be reveled yet
again its just a big incest story
kira and josefumi are 100% related too
that would explain the birthmarks
they had a "child"
kaato cant be holys sister too i kinda forgot that she doesnt have a birthmark
pastel adder
I wonder if the whole relations and family trees will be a major part of JJL going forward
minor ore
well we need to know kaatos original family name
toorus famility name
and the HDs real name
minor ore
HDs name is fake
like its so fake
an important character like him wouldnt have such a meaningless name
pastel adder
well all the rock humans use fake names so it doesn't matter
minor ore
yea
pastel adder
He's just a rock human so why would his bloodline matter unless he's part of the whole theory yesterday of a rock human/human mix
minor ore
we dont know the names of josephs off spring
only holy
but we know he had a few illegitiamete children
like shizuka
and Original Josukes mommy
one thing too
caatos eyes are split
half brown half green
its so obvious
i always thought her eyes were off
araki draws pupils much different
pastel adder
Her eyes seem pretty normal to me in the b&w scans
pastel adder
what about this one?
pastel adder
I think it's just how the shading/light reflection looks
minor ore
not sure he usually draws eyes much more
theres no random dark like in the middle
im not sure but it would explain her black hair with the green underneath
but weird hairstyles are common so
again how he normally draws eyes
those 3 are kareras and daiyas
kaatos eyes again
its mostly consistent too
pastel adder
still no where near a definitive or pronounced split like Josuke's eyes, I understand why people think it looks like it but I highly doubt it is intentional for her eyes to be split
minor ore
and every single time we see her
theres a zoom in of her face
well gappy is a fusion of 2 very different eye colors
he also had a perfect exchange as we know
at the time kaato had fused there wouldnt have been a new rokakaka
even that look how he draws gappys eyes normally
light lion
I think the big appeal of jojo artwork especially in parts like 7 and 8 is that
The way araki draws humans make them look like comic book characters
They dont look like typical anime characters, where the characters have big eyes and almost little to no detail on the face
minor ore
he just gets more and more realistic and subtle with each part
light lion
Are definitely far from realistic on certain characters
minor ore
yea
light lion
Like johnny and gyros getup
Nobody from any time period would be wearing their clothes
But if you look at kira from part 4 or part 8
They have clothing reminiscent of something you'd see irl
minor ore
gappys outfit is much more normal imo
kind owlBOT
@minor ore, Your Stand Power is now level 18 !
light lion
90s getup from kiras end, and kiras sailor outfit
minor ore
really his main standout is the tooth gap
also the freaking president was a genderbent barbie in part 7
light lion
Yeah paet 7 clothing was umm
Not the best example
Lmao
Like with araki really you never know what you're gonna get
Sometimes you have characters that have realistic bodies but with very unrealistic clothing or makeup, etc.
But then you have characters like the lawyer from SO or ungalo who have p realistic clothing but extremely disproportionate bodies
So idk, its a coin flip really lol
minor ore
look at yasuho or dayah
they are normally dressed girls
kaato is weird asf tho
jobin too
light lion
In SO idk what type of drug araki was on
minor ore
gappy is like the lawyer
but much more subtle
when araki wants a character to stand out as you said its either body or fashion
gappy has the tooth gap which is his way of standing out
light lion
Yeah thats why kira doesnt stand out
minor ore
he didnt go for hair like josuke
light lion
Well actually
minor ore
kira had his hands
light lion
Literally
minor ore
i love him like he looks like a greek god
we know araki used a lot of statues for references this part
light lion
True true
thorn pier
I think he's ugly
kind owlBOT
@thorn pier, Your Stand Power is now level 5 !
thorn pier
👀
minor ore
we all have our taste
but realistically he has a proportionate face
his profile is so pretty here
like babe
😳
josefumi has much more feminine face i guess
pastel adder
Kira and Josefumi both have insanely good designs imo
minor ore
light lion
Like ik this is somewhat arbitrary but
light lion
minor ore
i dont see it
minor ore
eh jojo is not an anime
light lion
Lol
minor ore
plus even the first parts are more realistic than the manga at the time
in anime detail has to be sacrificed
imagine having to animate detailed figures
that would take 1000x more time
manga allows for much greater detail
look at beserk
the art is breathtaking too
the manga is 90% of the time much better looking
also its mainly subjective but jojo has much more impressive art than most mangas
the recent parts
its "better" since it shows more skill from the author
light lion
Yeah some people would rather have their anime characters have no facial details
minor ore
anything closer to reality is gonna look better to the normal eyes
light lion
Which is fine but its better to have faces that are realistic imo
minor ore
but anime allows for a faster process
why do you think araki changed to a monthly release format
he probably could have drawn realistically in part 6 but he was pressured by weekly releases
he had to simplify
minor ore
i find it hard to get into other manga since the art is not as detailed
jojo has set my standarts too high
in terms of general quality
minor ore
yea i was talking about beserk
light lion
I think jojo has set my standards high as well
minor ore
the art is breathtaking
ancient depot
actually any Inoue manga looks really good
minor ore
i like junji ito too
ancient depot
slam dunk, real, vagabond
light lion
Like ive become so accustomed to jojo art that if I were to watch other anime that look like your standard anime
Then I would just be like
"Wow the art isnt nearly as good as jojo"
ancient depot
then just don’t watch newer anime
ancient depot
i’d be surprised if you haven’t seen those two shows actually tbh
madoka is my favorite anime and fmab is my number 3
light lion
The only anime ive seen is jojo
ancient depot
it’s fuckin good
light lion
👁
ancient depot
i mean it’s not like there’s some uniform anime art style for all 2010s anime
minor ore
i heard a new movie is coming out this year
light lion
What other anime look like western comic books ?
ancient depot
i’ve been hearing there’s a “new movie this year” every year since rebellion came out
light lion
Wtf
ancient depot
i don’t really think jojo looks like a western comic book in the first place
also that’s not a movie calfpie
that’s a tv series
ancient depot
it’s a spinoff based on a mobile game
minor ore
miss info
ancient depot
and not directly connected to the plot of the original series
light lion
Not all jojo characters look like comic book characters but people like ringo do
ancient depot
i think if you want to read detailed looking manga just read shit like berserk and vagabond
pastel adder
Araki's style is unique but I think it doesn't look western or like a comic book at all
ancient depot
yea just because it looks good doesn’t mean it’s western lmao
minor ore
arakis style is just as realistic as you can get on a monthly basis
ancient depot
sounds like something someone who’s all “i hate anime and manga except these two series are the exception” would say
low key
minor ore
does it really matter
arakis art is like eye candy
a bunch of subtle details
every time you look you find something els
what makes it great is the use of detail
ancient depot
any manga by Inoue is gonna look really damn realistic to human anatomy
that’s his style
Araki’s style is really different but looks really good in its own way
minor ore
jojo is more like statues
light lion
Holy shit
minor ore
not really realistic
light lion
Thats an actual human
minor ore
its kinda bad
ancient depot
Vagabond is pretty much a cancelled manga tho...it’s on “hiatus” and hasn’t gotten a chapter in over 5 years iirc
minor ore
the nose is a little janky
ancient depot
Slam Dunk is Inoue’s most famous series and is finished
ancient depot
and it looks pretty good and it’s the only sports manga i’ve read
it’s not even realism why i like Inoue’s art, it’s still very obviously a comic book
my thing is that it looks good
he rarely has a weird anatomy moment and a lot of his character movements look true to life and have kinetic energy to them despite being still images
i can feel the swish of the net in Slam Dunk even tho it’s just a drawing of a basketball going into a net
minor ore
sui ishida is one i personally love
it has the anime proportions with the realistic rendering
ancient depot
tokyo ghoul art is pretty good a lot of the time and it’s a shame that a lot of people think it’s not, because of the awful scanning job that the fandom had
ancient depot
i haven’t read or watched tokyo ghoul but goddamn it looks good
but some of the scans are downright awful and i know a lot of people think the manga art is bad because of that
pastel adder
recently read tokyo ghoul but I haven't read re
ancient depot
although i’ve heard that the fights can be a bit hard to folllow sometimes
pastel adder
anyone read shuumatsu no valkyrie?
minor ore
ancient depot
i never heard of it
pastel adder
it's a damn good manga going on right now, I love the art
it's just a straight up tournament manga
minor ore
almost reminds me of beserk 
ancient depot
the tsukihime manga has pretty good art imo
not the best but the fight scenes are really fun to read
queen fox
bruh, why is this in the jojolion chat?
ancient depot
we’re talking about jojolion trust
pastel adder
talking art of araki
ancient depot
it all ties back to jojo
queen fox
pastel adder
and comparing it to realism, a bit of off topic of course
queen fox
I was here, it just kinda went off topic rq
pastel adder
why do you care doe
minor ore
i love ppl who kiss admins booty
pastel adder
queen fox
I don't care
queen fox
I would've put #memes-and-images if I was
minor ore
not possible
minor ore
i kinda debunked
no star mark
when you look at it norisuke is this universes josuke
he is also named josuke
has the same parents too
like part 4 but set a generation later
lucid fiber
Y'know what's a pretty dope manga
queen fox
what
pastel adder
jojo's bizarre adventure
lucid fiber
lucid fiber
Yeah well I was getting images
lucid fiber
It was still happening until it wasn't eh
minor ore
look at norisukes parents btw
now josukes
both mothers are named tomoko
and both sons josuke
queen fox
ya
minor ore
you can see it as if the main and the secondary blood line switched
also josefumi is directly related to kira
i assume they are cousins or brothers
cousins more possible
we know joseph in the original universe had 3 children and the p8 one is following it
queen fox
more distant cousins
minor ore
possible that holy has a brother tho
queen fox
well, it'd been on the family tree
minor ore
also shizuka exists in the universe
queen fox
where?
queen fox
Shizuka is a very common name
minor ore
true
minor ore
we dont know the original shizukas family name
it could have well possible been arakawa
i think its a subtle knot to araki never forgets
like we assume
queen fox
Shizuka Arakawa is a real person
and she ice skates
@minor ore
it's a coincidence
minor ore
yuh
queen fox
I'm editing the wiki trivia now
lucid fiber
Yeah that's to show us Hato has connections not to be a Shizuka reference
upper knoll
damn she be skatin tho
lucid fiber
Which I suppose is also how she met Damo
minor ore
they were going skating
lucid fiber
Having connections I mean
queen fox
ya
minor ore
yea
vitamin c and deadly queen
😳
localized chapter name: orange juice and deadly queen
lucid fiber
I loved it because I already really liked Vitamin C by CAN as a song and didn't know it was a stand until I got there
Such a bop
minor ore
weird how gappy and yasuho have the same artist for reference
tho araki keeps prince references to important characters
we all know jojo is a love letter to prince
lucid fiber
Paisley Park > Soft & Wet
minor ore
like hermies, giorno, yasuho and gappy
lucid fiber
And you can apply that to both the songs and the stands
minor ore
my favorite jojolion stand is awaking III
like damn thats an amazing stand
the design and ability
one of the best in jojolion
also i prefer soft and wet as a stand and paisley park as a song
lucid fiber
Wait do you mean Ermes because like
minor ore
yea
minor ore
ya
lucid fiber
How's that a prince reference then
lucid fiber
queen fox
talking about the Shizuka refrence, what if Araki actually was smart like that lol
lucid fiber
It's almost definitely KISS like the band
queen fox
ya
lucid fiber
I've never seen anybody say otherwise tbh
queen fox
part 6 had more rock music in it
upper knoll
Ah yeah
minor ore
both
upper knoll
We have to make a tier list, which part has the most banger references
ancient depot
we technically don’t know and since araki has a history of prince references already, the argument can be made
lucid fiber
I mean that's fair but I would be shocked
minor ore
part 8 has almost only chill songs too
ancient depot
the only real argument that can be made for the band is “araki likes rock and i know about KISS but not about the prince song so that’s the one i assumed”
upper knoll
Chill songs can be bangers too yes
ancient depot
we’d have to ask araki himself
lucid fiber
No the argument is that KISS is a huge band
minor ore
king nothing being an exception
lucid fiber
It's not obscure
ancient depot
it is a huge band, i assumed it was a reference to the band too
minor ore
also it could be both but its kiss
minor ore
i love the bridge
lucid fiber
You take that back
upper knoll
I won't
thorn pier
soft and wet is good but paisley park is much better imo
lucid fiber
Well fine
lucid fiber
TELL ME THAT YOU FEEL THE SAME WAY I DO
upper knoll
I sleep 😴
lucid fiber
TELL ME THAT YOU LOVE ME GIRL
minor ore
yea thats the best part
thorn pier
I think SBR has the best musical references
upper knoll
Most catchy bridge I've ever heard is probably in Arctic Monkey's why'd you only call me when you're high
thorn pier
yep
queen fox
I really want DP to get the rights to Soft and Wet
thorn pier
also catch the rainbow
minor ore
yes
queen fox
minor ore
d4c is ugh
queen fox
like please
thorn pier
scary monsters too, yeah
queen fox
I want them to edit the song like in this video
upper knoll
Firestarter is an another one
lucid fiber
Tusk is the single best song to represent a part in terms of like
Fitting
Like it just sounds like SBR
minor ore
soft and wets thing on its head looks like a sink hole
thorn pier
yeah
lucid fiber
If that makes sense
thorn pier
I haven't heard Enter Sandman. Is it good?
minor ore
its amazing
thorn pier
I'll listen to it now
upper knoll
Well yeah just as I said at first id didnt catch my attention but now its a banger
lucid fiber
It's Metallica that isn't that one album so
lucid fiber
It's gonna be good
upper knoll
What's that one album?
queen fox
I'm rereading Kaato's chapters...
she's such a compelling character
I feel almost bad for her
minor ore
i think shes a fusion
upper knoll
Oh the black album
lucid fiber
I was actually referring to St Anger
queen fox
hmm
upper knoll
Well I dont know
lucid fiber
That's "The Bad One"
minor ore
upper knoll
Ive only listened to Self Titled and Hardwired to Self Destruct
minor ore
the line
looks like 2 different pupils
also jobin is weird asf sometimes
his expressions are amazing
the one we got from the new chapter 
thorn pier
I do not like Enter Sandman
minor ore
ive noticed villains in jojo have different eyes
kaatos are just such a standout in jojolion
the are longer
the pupils especially much wider
idk but she is like a neater version of karera
also kareras hair is black to green and also has the swirls
but araki just loves drawing swirly hair
something tells me karera is gonna steal the new rokakaka
she said she wanted to
and dissapeared
tooru, karera and kaato
swirly hair squad
queen fox
@minor ore I like that Idea
upper knoll
And Valentine
queen fox
she is the only person left that knows Kira and Josefumi personally
minor ore
yea
queen fox
the last link
queen fox
92?
queen fox
she likely won't tho
minor ore
ik
its still kinda bad
the unnamed stands had swirls like her hair all over
but thats a reach
thorn pier
I still don't know what's up with their names. Like, all the boys are named something that starts with Jo, but the girls have card related names?
minor ore
yea
i feel like its going to be toorus
he has a lot of swirls and he has the same symbol on his jacket
yea
queen fox
she's still relevant up to chapter 86
minor ore
shes mentioned a lot
queen fox
and plus she lives on the house hold
minor ore
same with kira
those plot points are still relevant
rn im wondering where kaato is
she vanished after the convo with jobin
queen fox
her last physical appearance was in 59 at the house hold
minor ore
yea
its like grandma chick
she also has the same top as gappy had
the net one
yall remember when gappy had a net undershirt
😔
queen fox
I think that was a cover only thing
minor ore
damn that face
he looks so different now
like he anitially looked like kira
much more masculine
minor ore
now he is looking more and more like josefumi
yea i love him
just the whole kira, josefumi and karera triangle
i need more of it
thorn pier
I kind of hope she does not come back. She doesn't seem very interesting to me and it'll just prolong the plot.
Unless, of course, she is interesting.
minor ore
we still will get a flashback tho
i feel like it
something is missing
yea cause she was a plot device
i feel like rei will meet her at prison
since she got caught by the cops
kyo definetly with holy atm
im sure
kyo has the same type of stand as the head doctor
lol
queen fox
ya, her erasure was strange
queen fox
because Norisuke threw them out
thorn pier
yeah
minor ore
she hasnt been officially colored by him
thorn pier
he does not want her to be part of the family
minor ore
i want a piece with her colors as araki sees her
queen fox
that's true
minor ore
he told his children she was dead
like tf
plus jobin killed the child she wasnt guilty of anything
she just took the hit for him
so he has a good childhood
kaato didnt do anything wrong tbh
thorn pier
yeah
minor ore
its really sad what she had to go thru
its paralleling with tsugi and jobin and mistuba
queen fox
@warm leaf they're owned and created by the company who holds the rights to jojo
queen fox
the anime is mostly chosen by Araki
minor ore
most of the time the manga colors are better anyways
thorn pier
It is? Huh.
queen fox
the reason we have pink giorno is thanks to Araki
thorn pier
That's pretty cool
queen fox
DP wanted to do blue but Araki wanted pink
thorn pier
pink anasui would be too much pink
queen fox
ngl, I want pink haired jolyne
minor ore
female anasui is the best
the design was so much more original
make the anime as araki wanted the part to be annitially
minor ore
the gender doesnt matter but he still spent time designing him as a female
even in some of the first artworks
queen fox
Araki was one of the biggest mangaka in jump at the time, his editors have very little power over him
queen fox
the sales of Stone Ocean weren't failing because of the female cast, it was mostly due to how Jotaro was kinda just defeated
thorn pier
I don't like Emporio
minor ore
irene and the anasui alternative looked so cute
like jolyne in a sweater
they looked more every day
normal
queen fox
I don't like the idea of Araki being forced to change Anasui
I think he did it out of self will because he wanted a cool male character without introducing another character
thorn pier
we should get back to discussing jojolion
minor ore
"lecture on regenerative medicine" oh no
What if Satoru sacrifices everyone in the lecture to make himself younger looking, revealing he was flashback man all along? 
ancient depot
a giant transmutation circle
queen fox
yes
minor ore
Makes no sense, i know, but it has to mean something that the lecture is on "regenerative medicine"
Maybe he's going to expose the rokakaka since he lost everything at this point? Don't know what that would achieve tho
thorn pier
The lecture could have something to do with the rokakaka.
minor ore
im still wondering why was holy researching rokakaka
minor ore
she created the lab in the hospital
the one that the wu fight took place in
maybe and that makes her a big part of the whole thing
couldnt yasuho just have asked her about it
thorn pier
I guess
burnt pagoda
What if the ora barrage we see in the beginning of the chapters are like this was how it ended up where jouske is oraing someone
minor ore
was kira even revealed with a birthmark?
ancient depot
yea
minor ore
i dont remember seeing a birthmark on him at all
ancient depot
well there is
minor ore
show me
queen fox
distant relative
queen fox
perhaps
ancient depot
we never see josefumi's father although he is named
ancient depot
so its either that joseph's bastard son is josefumi kujo or josefumi is the son of joseph's bastard son, sadafumi kujo
but the former is more likely
josefumi's mother of course is not shown having the birthmark
minor ore
when did joseph die?
ancient depot
do we even know if he's dead?
ancient depot
why does being in the tree mean he's dead tho
ancient depot
oh it says his death date?
minor ore
ok so hes dead
ancient depot
ok yea then hes probably dead i didnt remember that
minor ore
i think its weird that norisuke is the josuke of the universe
so then his father must have had other offspring
minor ore
actually he may be alive
no there isnt a derath date
you really think he could still live in 2011 though
hamon?
or spin
ancient depot
didnt araki say that original joseph made it that far
cuz thats roughly when stone ocean also takes place
minor ore
original joseph never fuckin dies, he just cheats death again
ancient depot
and i mean over 90 years old is possible
there are people in real life who live that long, you know
queen fox
but one issue I have with this...
minor ore
but why doesnt kaato have a birthmark
ancient depot
kaato just married in tho
minor ore
she isnt in the higashikata family though
yea
i do think she is holys sister they cant be the same age for no reason
ancient depot
actually have we seen the birthmark on hato or jobin
queen fox
the HD isn't helping Holy at all if that's true
minor ore
kaato may be adopted but not sure
ancient depot
maybe they're the same age because...they were born in the same year?
queen fox
yw
ancient depot
oh yea yea my bad
for some reason i had a made up memory of joshu having it for some reason
minor ore
josefumi is a joestar, umm kyo is joestar and kira
ancient depot
i definitely made that up or some shit lmao
minor ore
thats so many people
ancient depot
its just the kiras and maybe a few kujos who have the birthmark
queen fox
in leading, the HD can't be related to the Joestars in any way
minor ore
well joestars usually all have stands
if the fuckin HD was joseph somehow i would be extremely surprised
rock humans too
queen fox
I'd be stupid since it's a retcon in every single way
minor ore
tho joshu didnt awaken it till he got bitten
ancient depot
my assumption for a while has been that HD is just one of the oldest rock humans alive
his age being a lie of course
queen fox
but it'll ruin everything
kind owlBOT
@queen fox, Your Stand Power is now level 14 !
queen fox
89?
queen fox
atm, Josuke is paying for Holy
not the HD
which is weird
since, if the thoery is correct, the HD should be the dad of holy
minor ore
doesnt holy own the rokakaka in the lab since she created it for research
queen fox
ya
minor ore
why would he pay for her though
wouldnt that make her extremely rich
ewwqef
oh the hd joseph thing
well what would you do if you were hiding
i dont think it can be a thing
i do think kaato and holy have some relation even if its not family related tho
queen fox
but your daughter is likely dying and he's doing nothing?
not even Kaato was that cruel
minor ore
kaato is actually nice
i dont think she did anythin wrong
jotaro didnt show up for jolyne even at her darkest days
ancient depot
what if sbrverse joseph is just an asshole xd
minor ore
she didnt even kill the child
jobin did
she did bury him alive though
it was convinient
for jobins rock disease
she didnt have to sacrifice herself
queen fox
the theory is stupid
minor ore
its not possible
queen fox
and it contradicts too much
minor ore
i never said it was y theory
i do think kaato and karera are somehow related and maybe tooru
i just went with it
queen fox
I know
queen fox
eh
minor ore
the love love deluxe hoe
queen fox
I wouldn't say they're all children of the HD
that's kinda pushing the bizarre factor a bit into that makes no fucking sense in any timeline territory
minor ore
i mean that territory was passed in the original universe
thorn pier
yeah...
minor ore
People think josefumi’s father may have been Joseph