jojolion

[sharp mauve]

a bit of the Kira flair that only resided within the beauty of part 4 is now gone

and shared with 8

in terms of a stand

and a characters name

[rare marlin]

Maybe reuse Kira, sure, but it's a different Kira, maybe don't give him the same stand?

[sharp mauve]

so that is my problem

yes

that would be good

seeing 50 sheer heart attacks flurrying damo tamaki was out of place

[queen fable]

I just dont see what you mean

[sharp mauve]

it changes my view on the initial scene with sheer heart attack

you can't take away that suspense from the original scene

[queen fable]

it's a slightly different stand because he's a different person but still a parallel

[sharp mauve]

and put it on a fucking yacht as a sailor vs a fat drug dealer

that's the sheer heart attack

that blew up

a shop

and did a lot of shit

to main characters

and kira

[queen fable]

not really

[sharp mauve]

so me seeing it reused

it like

wtf?

weird

[rare marlin]

Tbh maybe this part's ending might put us at ease about these parallels

[sharp mauve]

guess that happened lol.

hopefully

[queen fable]

it's a different shear heart attack

[sharp mauve]

i am so like uhh about it

[rare marlin]

There's something yet to be revealed maybe

[sharp mauve]

looks the same though

[queen fable]

like time stop

[rare marlin]

Goddamit

[queen fable]

I gotta go to sleep

it's way too late

[rare marlin]

Night night

[queen fable]

its 4:00 AM

[sharp mauve]

1 here

but fuck

i cant sleep

lol

[rare marlin]

Good morning then

[minor ore]

Is it today or tomorrow

[minor ore]

JoJolion CH. 90 is releasing on the 19th of September, according to the wiki

The two confirmed characters to be in it are Rai and Josuke, though that was pretty obvious

[viral plume]

Oh, its out? I havent seen it appear yet on the sites I look at

[odd monolith]

Josuke and Rai star in FakeCop

[inner yew]

I thought there was a chance the perspective would switch to Yasuho.

Get ready for 20 pages of running away from objects and no plot developments

[brittle blade]

I hope this chapter will be longer than the previous one

[inner yew]

Me too. The last chapter was the worst in a long time.

I’m just not getting my hopes up.

I was so obsessively hype about the last chapter and it wasn’t really worth worrying about, so I’m just not gonna stress about this one.

Excited, but trying to keep my mind off it.

[fading cove]

when does the scan and trans go live on mangadex

[tidal ocean]

inb4 new chapter is tooru backstory because why not

[fading cove]

backstory about a side character in sbr lmao

these knights are from not england and have important backstory

i promise

[scarlet viper]

is the chapter not out yet

[minor ore]

it should be out today

[scarlet viper]

what time is it at the us atm

[minor ore]

843 am

[scarlet viper]

tyty

[minor ore]

last time it released at like 3 pm for me

but it just depends on when the translators finish

[scarlet viper]

thats's fair

i remember the translator had a twitter

I forgot it though

[sly turret]

https://mangadex.org/chapter/712302

YEET

HEAD DOCTOR FACE REVEAL BOYS

[minor ore]

That’s so fucking obvious

Like

It has to be tooru

He’s hinting that he has an “anger” that comes out

[sly turret]

Wait

What if he ate the rokakaka

And instead of fusing with someone else

He split into 2 people

And tooru is the doppio, completely unaware

[minor ore]

Wtf dude I think you just got it

[sly turret]

Big brain time

[minor ore]

Like there is no way tooru and him ARENT a doppio and diavolo

[sly turret]

Wait he talked about anger a lot

Ya know what stand makes people angry?

survivor

[brittle blade]

God fuckin damn it i just spoiled myself

[sly turret]

Good job

[minor ore]

How

[kind owl]

@minor ore, Your Stand Power is now level 1 !

[minor ore]

@brittle blade

[sly turret]

He probably just looked at this chat

Also the fact that Tooru said "It's not a photo where I'm with him" seems suspicious

Like the whole "I've never seen batman and Bruce Wayne in the same room" thing

[final hawk]

new chapter YESSS

[minor ore]

GUYS

The rain didn’t attack yasuho

Even though she tried to “pursue” him with the image

[small hornet]

chapter finally AHHHH

[sly turret]

Nice catch Helios

[outer belfry]

I wonder if Tooru's talk about electricity going into the sky has any relevance

[kind owl]

@outer belfry, Your Stand Power is now level 1 !

[sly turret]

AU Akira

That was my first thought anyways

But with all the talk about space and stars, it really makes me suspicious considering the time/space theme for jojo villains

[brittle blade]

Ok i read it

[sly turret]

Thoughts?

[brittle blade]

Tooru is head doctor confirmed

And his stand is called how to disappear completely

[sly turret]

What is that a reference to?

[brittle blade]

Radiohead

But my theory that norisuke is the head doctor is going to the trash

[sly turret]

That was ur theory?

[brittle blade]

Ye

[outer belfry]

so if the head doctor was able to disguise himself as others

would he also be able to impersonate anybody he wanted

[sly turret]

Idk

I don't think that's his ability

[minor ore]

where’s chapter

[outer belfry]

scroll up

[sly turret]

I put a link in

[outer belfry]

im still curious on how the head doctor was able to disappear when he was being chased

[minor ore]

AW MAN

[heavy grove]

I still think that tsurugi is working with the head doctor/rokakaka organization

[sly turret]

Hes like 10

[heavy grove]

That Would explain how he disappeared

[sly turret]

I think he could be doing it subconsciously though

Like with the baby

[outer belfry]

tsurugi is a strangely smart 9 year old

[minor ore]

holy shit

[heavy grove]

Remember the I am a rock fight?
Yotsuyu said that tsurugis actions is the correct one or something like that

[minor ore]

okay so wtf

im having a hard time processing this

how tf he get that photo

[brittle blade]

I say my thoughts when i get home

[outer belfry]

why would he need to work with the organization if he already has the new rokakaka

[heavy grove]

And tsurugi killed a toddler i dont find it hard to think that he could be working for them

[outer belfry]

the toddler didnt die

[sly turret]

He didn't kill her

It was just some scrapes

[heavy grove]

Not that one

The one in the fountain

[sly turret]

The baby in the water?

[heavy grove]

Yes

[sly turret]

We don't know if that died

[heavy grove]

He still did it though

[sly turret]

Accidentally

[heavy grove]

Even if it was subconsciously

[outer belfry]

pretty sure the baby was only in there for like 3 seconds

[heavy grove]

We didnt see the mom take it out

You never know

[outer belfry]

also yeah hes suspicious

[heavy grove]

And tsurugi is still being affected by the disease

So thats more motivation

[outer belfry]

he has the new rokakaka

[heavy grove]

And the head doctor was near the fence where the chuld almost got crushed

And near the higashikata house at one point

[outer belfry]

maybe the head doctor was attacking tsurugi?

his stand could cause the gate to move towards tsurugi

[sly turret]

What if HD can manipulate other peoples stands

[outer belfry]

but the child was there

[minor ore]

Josuke getting hurt to go the hospital is 10/10

[sly turret]

I can't wait for the Mamezuku jail break chapter that will inevitably happen

[heavy grove]

Technically speaking

[outer belfry]

Tsurugi like 'blacks out' whenever he causes something bad to happen

[heavy grove]

Hes only a suspect

Hes just gonna be interrogated

[winter escarp]

is next chapter out?

[heavy grove]

Yes

[winter escarp]

ooh

i gotta check mangadex then

[sly turret]

Ye

Mods should pin the link I sent

[upper knoll]

I just read the new chapter

||Josuke fucking died l o l, Yasuho was being flirted with, we got Doctor Satoru's face||

||48 hours till harvest||

This was my first Jojo chapter I waited for

[minor ore]

I just finished chapter 89 yesterday this was perfect timing

[sly turret]

I just wanna see the new stand more

Aside from it just appearing and doing nothing

Like it has arm blades for a reason Araki

Let it kill people

[livid crest]

||89 years||

[outer belfry]

Arm blades? is this stand Kars?

[kind owl]

@outer belfry, Your Stand Power is now level 2 !

[sly turret]

Oh shit they didn't say 89 this chapter

[livid crest]

[winter escarp]

i've read it

[minor ore]

I love mamezuku’s reaction to Josuke’s rankings about his goal and who he is

Rantings*

[winter escarp]

So where is Araki going with Mitsuba sitting in front of the Head Doctor?

[copper jay]

That surprised the hell out of me

[heavy grove]

I just wanna know when that photo was taken

[winter escarp]

||i just read on reddit a theory that Tooru and Head Doctor are a Diavolo/Doppio situation||

[heavy grove]

And how tooru got it

Someone talked about that earlier

[sly turret]

I also have that theory

[winter escarp]

That brings up even more questions now

[outer belfry]

maybe the head doctor did some sort of exchange similar to josefumi / kira in that case

[minor ore]

Hey does anyone have rats for the latest chapter?

Lmao rats I meant raws*

[sly turret]

No, but we have the translation

[minor ore]

I’m asking because I’m wondering what Tooru and Satoru akefu’s names look like

Because 差 can be read as sa

And means difference/variation

[sly turret]

So then would satoru be read as variation of tooru?

[robust ibex]

so no one is talking about how tooru was talking about wireless chargers

[sly turret]

Red hot chili pepper 2

[outer belfry]

yeah ikr what about that

[minor ore]

It could possibly be a play on words but that’s just one of those things you miss when you translate

I’m not sure how it would be read or if that would even work

[winter escarp]

What if

Tooru reuses the Double stand idea if he turns out to be ||Head Doctor|| so you can have one for the ||geezer|| and one for Tooru??

so Tooru's stand relates to the chargers in some way

[sly turret]

That's a thought I've had

[analog ether]

As far as I know, the kanji for Toru and the "toru" in "Satoru" are not the same

[minor ore]

HOHO

[sly turret]

Oof

[winter escarp]

Foo

[analog ether]

Also, TORU got the mf Huawei phone for sure

[minor ore]

I just read the chapter

finally we know his face

[winter escarp]

and he looks as ugly and old as you'd expect him to be

[analog ether]

Of course he's got a monocle

[robust ibex]

now that araki mentioned huawei in the manga, i await the folding phone stand

[analog ether]

Cato

[sly turret]

Paper moon king

[minor ore]

what if Tooru has a stand that has something to do with electricity?

[sly turret]

Origami folding phone

[winter escarp]

imagine it being called Thunderstruck

[outer belfry]

red hot chili pepper 2

but it can pass between electric sources like as he was describing

[analog ether]

also, people who say jjl has "no real direction" can get btfo, josuke pracitcally spelled out his goals in this chapter as clear as day

[winter escarp]

josuke is a mad lad

[sly turret]

I was thinking about that

Bc a lot of people say it's not going anywhere

[minor ore]

Josuke got destroyed by rain

[outer belfry]

its a mystery thats a big point of the manga

[analog ether]

I can't belive Josuke's fucking DEAD!

[warm leaf]

90 chapters in and still introducing new characters

[heavy grove]

Yasuho is the new main character because josuke died

[outer belfry]

the rain created a bloody stream

[heavy grove]

Its official until the next chapter comes out

[winter escarp]

When you think about it ||Tooru could use Yasuho as blackmail to further push Head Doctor's agenda if Josuke gets close to him, it's obvious Tooru has big ties with Satoru||

[warm leaf]

josuke death month

[kind owl]

@minor ore, Your Stand Power is now level 1 !

[robust ibex]

also im beginning to notice a shift in art change in jojolion more

[sly turret]

Can we talk more about how the rain didn't affect Yasuho

[robust ibex]

some early part 7isms im seeing in the noses and stuff

[soft raptor]

Tooru I see through your act

[heavy grove]

Imagine if tooru turns into akefu and it looks like the covers for animorph books

[winter escarp]

Tooru just went from meh to interesting and it took only 1 chapter

[sly turret]

Ikr

[analog ether]

Head Doctor has a rock human beird too

[winter escarp]

makes sense

[soft raptor]

HD looking real ugly

[outer belfry]

he looks like that tortoise from rango

[analog ether]

he's actually creepy looking

[winter escarp]

insert "look at this dude" joke

[outer belfry]

this dude

[winter escarp]

Look at this dude

[heavy grove]

[robust ibex]

oh fuck

[minor ore]

Tooru 100% evil btw

I thought he would have been a neutral character

[winter escarp]

that's why i said Tooru went from meh to interesting

[heavy grove]

I dont like tooru only because hes trying to get back with yasuho

[analog ether]

Nooooo.
There not gonna introduce new "non villain" characters this late

[heavy grove]

Josuke and yasuho deserve each other

[minor ore]

Josuke will die though

[analog ether]

he already did bro

[stark wagon]

@minor ore Kanji for Satoru is 悟 btw

[outer belfry]

joshu is going to kill tooru

[analog ether]

^^^^^^

[minor ore]

@stark wagon hey thank you!

[stark wagon]

After this chapter i'm way more convinced Tooru and the Head Doctor are the same person

[old marlin]

Insane chapter tho

[analog ether]

absolutely cucked

[robust ibex]

i cant believe the head doctor is 89 years old

[old marlin]

His fucking HAIR bro

Who said that was ok

[outer belfry]

i thought that was a hat

[sly turret]

Nah it's hair

[warm leaf]

i dont like tooru because hes looking like hes super important to the story but he got introduced 81 chapters in, and theres a huge list of characters that were already introduced that seemed important but have done nothing after their introduction arc

[analog ether]

The thing on his head is a hat

[sly turret]

No

[minor ore]

Where does Jobin fit into all of this. How does this all combine

[sly turret]

Its not a hat

[minor ore]

that spiky beard though

[winter escarp]

Jobin is high on the Head Doctor's hierarchy

[old marlin]

So like Yasuho was pursuing the Doctor to get a picture of his face, is it possible Tooru showed her the picture so she wouldn't be affected by the rain

[winter escarp]

ooh

[outer belfry]

i think jobin is against both the head doctor and josuke

like diego in SBR

[minor ore]

^

[winter escarp]

so basically we have 3 parties in the story

[analog ether]

I imagine Jobin will actually win though

[minor ore]

At this point if they just talk why would he be against josuke? He just wants a fruit for holly

satoru is an ugly mf

[analog ether]

Against HD anyway

Because Jobin is fucking power hungry

[old marlin]

Jobin is against anyone who wants the fruit

[analog ether]

He's basically Vergil

[minor ore]

You think gappy’s gonna die?

I’ll cry

[winter escarp]

Now how will Kaato fit into this three way battle if she's a likely candidate for villain too

[minor ore]

i think he's gonna die

[sly turret]

Caato has to do something soon right

[outer belfry]

i think shes working with jobin

[sly turret]

Otherwise why is she even in the part

[minor ore]

Kaato is probably working with Jobin and Tsurugi

[analog ether]

to prove the higashikatas have a mom

[minor ore]

and because JoJo needed more milfs

[winter escarp]

so we have Josuke, Rai and Yasuho vs Jobin and Caato vs Head Doctor, sounds like fun

[analog ether]

And Mitsuba is somewhere

[winter escarp]

i feel like Mitsuba is just being used

could be wrong

[minor ore]

Josuke, Rai, Norisuke, Yasuho and probably Joshu vs Kaato, Tsurugi and Jobin vs HD and Tooru

[warm leaf]

head doctor's stubble has the jobin spike motif

[old marlin]

Has there ever been a Jojo that wasnt willing to mutilate themselves to win

[winter escarp]

lmao

[minor ore]

Jonathan

[outer belfry]

I believe the HD is already targetting Jobin

[minor ore]

ig

[outer belfry]

and tsurugi

[analog ether]

Jonathan fucked himself up constantly

He didn't even care that speedwagon threw a hat in his arm

[winter escarp]

Jonathan also didn't care about the intense fire heat

[robust ibex]

well, now we wait for pursuit part 3 next month

i still think jojolion is gonna end in 2020

[old marlin]

Nah fuck pursuit 3

Start the final arc babeyyy

[minor ore]

well, at this point if HD and Tooru captured both Yasuho and Mistuba, I guess Josuke and Jobin will work together to stop them

[sly turret]

JJL 2020????

Nice dream

[analog ether]

inb4 this is the final arc

[old marlin]

I 100% can see JJL 2020

[warm leaf]

it feels jjl's bites the dust equivalent

[old marlin]

Tooru has to have a Memory Manipulation stand

[winter escarp]

you think?

[old marlin]

The way she believed everything tooru said is so sus

[minor ore]

definitely the same person

he's not with him because he is him

[analog ether]

h o w

[supple totem]

HHOLYE FYCK

[warm leaf]

the whole part is themed around memories, if tooru is the main antag that stand would fit

[supple totem]

NEW CHAPTER OUT??!
!

[sly turret]

Tooru is Yasuhos dad all along

[supple totem]

AH

AND WE see headocter face?

SHet

[outer belfry]

daiya already steals memories

[minor ore]

yes

[sly turret]

Go read it dude

[analog ether]

Also happiness continues to be a recurring theme with jjl
It's in Toru's dialogue too now

[minor ore]

inb4 sad af ending

[winter escarp]

oof

[sly turret]

Also will we ever get an explanation for the teddy bears

[old marlin]

Happiness is a huge theme with Yasuho considering her depressive nature

[minor ore]

I want an explaination on JoJolion's biggest plothole

why the fuck are Joshu's fish sausages small now????

[winter escarp]

lol

this guy asking the real questions

[old marlin]

That's a real plot hole araki

Hack

[winter escarp]

let's just say

Araki forgot

[warm leaf]

why did daiya get a huge chunk missing from her leg that instantly healed

[sly turret]

Let Josuke ride that cool bike Araki

Come on man

[minor ore]

he has the tree lambo

he doesn't need a bike

[winter escarp]

lmao

[sly turret]

Also what are you talking about @warm leaf

[analog ether]

let's just write off every non-answerable mystery by the end of this part as a red herring

[old marlin]

Everything in this Part is Tooru's Memory Manipulation

THAT is the Curse they speak of in the beginning

[winter escarp]

hmm

[outer belfry]

i want to know why the higashikata illness causes them to turn to rock

surely thats an important question that has to be solved

[warm leaf]

@sly turret

[kind owl]

@warm leaf, Your Stand Power is now level 3 !

[minor ore]

i guess it's because Jesus hates Johnny

[old marlin]

Rock Disease...

[warm leaf]

it instantly disappears 2 pages later and its never explained how she got it or how it healed

[sly turret]

When was that?

[warm leaf]

chapters 7 and 8

[old marlin]

During the California King Bed Arc

[sly turret]

Hmmmm

Didn't something similar happen to Mamezuku recently

[faint rover]

i think it's supposed to be illusions to make josuke worry about her

since that's how her stand works

[outer belfry]

she cant control illusions

[kind owl]

@outer belfry, Your Stand Power is now level 3 !

[outer belfry]

she takes memories

[old marlin]

That was actually explainable though @sly turret

[warm leaf]

the only higishikata that can make illusions is tsurugi

[old marlin]

That happened because Mamezuke's legs were blown apart by the stand pursuing them

[minor ore]

He fixed it with soggy style

[kind owl]

@minor ore, Your Stand Power is now level 1 !

[minor ore]

Soggy style

DOGGY STYLE

[analog ether]

soggy style

[sly turret]

[minor ore]

This fucking autocorrect

[old marlin]

Yooo Doggy Style turns into Soggy Style in the Rain

[minor ore]

Lmao

[analog ether]

Fucking vile name

[minor ore]

doggy style will be adapted to be "missionary" in the anime I swear

[analog ether]

"Mating Press"

[minor ore]

Oh no

[old marlin]

Just call him Vanilla

[minor ore]

what are the localized names for these stands

[old marlin]

Havent seen anything on it yet

[analog ether]

None exist yet

[sly turret]

We don't know any

[minor ore]

O

Hard and warm

[sly turret]

Soft and Wet is the same in english for some reason

And Nut King Call is NKC

[analog ether]

None of the stands past I think I Am A Rock have ever been localised

[minor ore]

Ejaculation Monarch Call

[tidal ocean]

what's the topic rn

[analog ether]

I'ts Nut's N Boltz

[analog ether]

ssh

[warm leaf]

did anything come of this

[old marlin]

NO

Dont remind people

We have to forget

[sly turret]

Damo early design probably

[minor ore]

it's just Damo

[warm leaf]

[analog ether]

It's Jobin

[tidal ocean]

damo

[sly turret]

Why would it be Jobin

[old marlin]

Why would it be Damo

[analog ether]

People saying Damo are hakcs

you're just sputing wat you hear from other people

[sly turret]

Because they saw Damo right before they dies

[minor ore]

Rip Damo

[warm leaf]

its a younger head doctor

[analog ether]

Or Yotsuyu?

Technically, they saw the Aphex Twins before they died

[sly turret]

Jobin wouldn't make sense because they have no reason to know who he is

[analog ether]

And that don't look like Schott Key No. 2 to me fam

[minor ore]

Akefu might be the head doctor but poor Tom will always be the ‘head’ doctor

[tidal ocean]

poor tom is a lego fan

[old marlin]

That's schott key no 1 doe...

[analog ether]

dam you right my bad g

[sly turret]

Honestly flashback man is probably not anyone

[tidal ocean]

araki forgot

[old marlin]

😐

[sly turret]

Not araki forgot

[minor ore]

No

Nooo

[tidal ocean]

too late

[long wasp]

Araki didn't care

[old marlin]

Araki dropped a plotline probably

[minor ore]

So what we speculating about?

[analog ether]

I still want an explanation if he never comes again
You don't just forget a character you fucking designed and put into your manga

[sly turret]

Its like Kyo and the weird symbol on Kira's hand

[tidal ocean]

bite marks

[old marlin]

You could say it was an early design of anyone

FUCK IT

EARLY DESIGN OF KARERA

[tidal ocean]

bruh

wow

[long wasp]

kek

[analog ether]

The weird symbol was explained, I'm pretty sure. Kira was looking for the Higashikata family tree so that he could erase Kyo from it

That was probably just on his hand to remind him what it looked like

[sly turret]

But why

[minor ore]

Is it out?

[old marlin]

Yeau

[analog ether]

So she could spy on them

[winter escarp]

Yes

[tidal ocean]

wait chapter is out?

[winter escarp]

yes

[old marlin]

Someone send the Chapter 90 link

[minor ore]

Yes

[old marlin]

Yeah

[sly turret]

Why did he want to erase Kyo from the family tree

[tidal ocean]

oh shit

link?

[sly turret]

https://mangadex.org/chapter/712302

[analog ether]

https://mangadex.org/chapter/712302/1

[sly turret]

Here again

[tidal ocean]

ok thanks

[long wasp]

needs to be posted more

[minor ore]

Beat me to it

[analog ether]

He erased Kyo from the family tree so she could slip into the Higaskiata household without anyone knowing who she was

[sly turret]

But why

Why did Kyo investigate everything

What happened to Kyo

[brittle blade]

Tooru split into two people and the hd is his evil side

[outer belfry]

yeah why is she still there

[analog ether]

look man im just the messenger don't @ me

ask araki

[brittle blade]

Maybe this is not the first occurance of a new rokakaka

[upper knoll]

so like

[old marlin]

J wang the facts that whole facts and nothing but the facts

[upper knoll]

One Tooru side wants to have the furit
2nd Tooru side wants to fuck Yasuho

[analog ether]

Kira DID want to investigate the Higashikatas when he found out about their whole Rock Human peddling

[kind owl]

@analog ether, Your Stand Power is now level 7 !

[analog ether]

Maybe he worked with his sis

[outer belfry]

i thought that was just jobin

[old marlin]

Kira just wanted da fruit

Rock Things are so intertwined with Fruit and Stands

[analog ether]

Last time we saw Kyo btw

[outer belfry]

F

[sly turret]

F

[minor ore]

Norisuke :(

[analog ether]

She got Hot Pants'd
Died off screen

[old marlin]

I'd be so mad

[winter escarp]

F

[analog ether]

Or maybe she's recovering from her injuries...
In the hospital

[brittle blade]

We don't even know that much about kyo

[old marlin]

Her entire character is information

[brittle blade]

Btw what do you all think about akefus design?

[analog ether]

creepy

[minor ore]

Mysterious

[supple totem]

doesnt the headocters hair remind you of wekapipo from part 7?

[sly turret]

Need to see more of him

[outer belfry]

89 years old

[minor ore]

89 years old?!

[outer belfry]

wekapipo rock human confirmed?

[analog ether]

He doesn't look a day over 890.

[old marlin]

Cutey 😍😍

[minor ore]

Duck lips

[winter escarp]

look at this dude

[brittle blade]

I could imagine him sounding like Joseph but more evil

[old marlin]

Inb4 Wekapipo is revealed to be a Rock Human

[outer belfry]

Nigerundayo, Tooru!

[analog ether]

It's Magenta Magenta, uncovered from the ocean a century later

[upper knoll]

inb4 Wekapipo is revealed to be dead

[kind owl]

@upper knoll, Your Stand Power is now level 11 !

[upper knoll]

oh wait

[brittle blade]

I would fucking love that

[upper knoll]

he is, sad!

In any case, thanks bot

[minor ore]

Tooru good

Tooru bad

Which will it be?

[brittle blade]

Tooru bad

[upper knoll]

He wants to seduce Yasuho and take her away from Josuke

Obvious villain

[warm leaf]

joshu kills tooru for taking his girl

[minor ore]

Tooru villain

[kind owl]

@minor ore, Your Stand Power is now level 4 !

[minor ore]

y e e t

[brittle blade]

I want more joshu

[tidal ocean]

I read this chapter and

what the actual fuck

[analog ether]

I do too, but he's so fucking irrelevant in the grand scheme of thigns

let's be real

[brittle blade]

Yeah

[old marlin]

I think Tooru is relevant doe

[outer belfry]

wtf hes obviously the most important character

[brittle blade]

But i imagine that everyone will take a part in the endgame from the family

Joshu on the side of jobin

Norisuke on the side of josuke

[analog ether]

toru is relevant yeah, joshu sure aint the now

[warm leaf]

tooru will make joshu relevant, the love triangle will become a love square

[inner yew]

Flashback man is Tooru and Akefu in their fused form.

The “flashback” was Kira’s final gift of revelation to Josuke

[brittle blade]

Flashbackman is still an early design of damo

[analog ether]

I'd love a source, i'd really do

[inner yew]

That’s also possible

[minor ore]

Who tf is flashbackman

[kind owl]

@minor ore, Your Stand Power is now level 2 !

[brittle blade]

I see a speedreader

[inner yew]

It’d be nice if Araki released a tankoban with an update on flashback man

[old marlin]

Lmao Akefu and Tooru fusion 😐

[minor ore]

More like a guy with just really bad memory

[inner yew]

Since it’s never mentioned they could literally just retcon it out

[analog ether]

Again, the flashback man has as much chance as beeing damo, as he does Yotsuyu or an aphex twin

[old marlin]

Or Karera

Unironically

[warm leaf]

@minor ore

chapter 5

[fading cove]

tooru is just being a twat and stealing best girl

[minor ore]

Oooh shot that explains it

[brittle blade]

So a tankobon is a rerelease?

[analog ether]

It's Diavolo AU
He erased his identity, thus leaving the manga forever

[minor ore]

Started part 8 nearly a year ago forgot about that

[old marlin]

With his MEMORY. MANIPULATION!

[inner yew]

I’m just speculating. I seriously have no idea who he is supposed to be, since he must be some Kira or Josefumi had seen prior

[fading cove]

year ago xd

oh

[inner yew]

He could be Josefumi or Kira’s father I suppose

[old marlin]

That guy will Kill Jousuke to get rid of his last trace

[fading cove]

thought you ment did part 8 start a year ago

[inner yew]

Wall eyes behind him is fucking odd though

[tidal ocean]

tooru main villain

[analog ether]

what if it is just straight up kira's dad

[sly turret]

Thats because Gappy is by the wall eyes

[tidal ocean]

yoshiteru

best name

[sly turret]

Iirc

[fading cove]

like Adam heart father didnt really do anything so

[brittle blade]

Maybe the anime will confirm who he is

[outer belfry]

hes in a photograph biting people around town

[analog ether]

the anime
how long must I wait for anwsers

[tidal ocean]

lmfao

10 years

[old marlin]

Like 10 years

[fading cove]

2025 xd

[inner yew]

It could be either Josefumi or Kira as the onlookers in the flashback. My guess is that Gappy is projecting his self-image over the perspective of the viewer in the memory

[kind owl]

@inner yew, Your Stand Power is now level 2 !

[minor ore]

89 years

[fading cove]

if things dont cause delays

[warm leaf]

@sly turret gappy is in kira;s bathroom when the flashback happens

[sly turret]

Oh

Hmmm

[warm leaf]

so the wall eyes being there is relevant

[old marlin]

You could say anything about the flashback dude and it will have some credence to it

[inner yew]

It’s true.

[old marlin]

That's how ambiguous it is

[inner yew]

Anything could be the case

[tidal ocean]

it's tooru

[analog ether]

It's other Josuke

[old marlin]

My point being its useless trying to find an exact explanation for it,

[inner yew]

It’s just annoying because for the longest time it felt like the most salient kernel of truth behind the whole mystery

[fading cove]

tooru is just bad cuz he's trying to steal best girl but you cant hate him because he has good taste

[inner yew]

But it seems like it’s just been discarded as important

[tidal ocean]

Joshu about to NUT KING CALL all over tooru

[fading cove]

he nuts over everything

not just tooru

[old marlin]

I could see Joshu going keyboard warrior over his sexual assault scene

[analog ether]

I can't belive the flashback man turned out to be Josuke 2

[tidal ocean]

bruh

[old marlin]

OTHER JOSUKE CONFIRMED

[tidal ocean]

D4C is in JJL.

somehow

[minor ore]

Holy shot

[brittle blade]

Ans 2 saw

*s&w

[inner yew]

I wonder if Valentine spiraling into a Pit forever means he’s also not going to die ever

[old marlin]

New Theory Soft and Wet will evolve into King & Crimson Dirt Cheap

He mustve eventually suffocated

[brittle blade]

Eventually every valentine dies

[inner yew]

Also great secret service they had back then

[tidal ocean]

👀

[analog ether]

it's another au diego

[tidal ocean]

bruh

[old marlin]

Like that means anything..

[tidal ocean]

not dio for the 6th time

[brittle blade]

Because they get old and there will bebno more valentines to kill

[inner yew]

Literally no one in sight of the president locked in mortal combat

[old marlin]

Tusk 4 does the immortal operation on u

[tidal ocean]

after josuk8 eats the new rokakaka, his stand will evolve into Diego

[inner yew]

Here’s my theory

[tidal ocean]

we still don't have DIO in this part

[old marlin]

Good

[inner yew]

Mistuba x Akefu is a fake pic

[minor ore]

Please no more dio

[tidal ocean]

lol

[inner yew]

He’s planting “Mistuba” in Yasuho’s mind so they go pursue her

[tidal ocean]

you know that araki will SOMEHOW add dio to jjl

[fading cove]

oh no im seeing au deigo

[kind owl]

@fading cove, Your Stand Power is now level 7 !

[inner yew]

Or rather so Yasuho leads Tooru to her

[minor ore]

The head doctor is tooru’s stand

[fading cove]

no pleaze dont

[tidal ocean]

pls no more dio

-fans

ok then
-araki

adds another fucking dio

[minor ore]

this chapter is definitive proof that the head doctor is not the main villain. araki would never make the main villain not hot

[fading cove]

id take a shitty diavolo than dio again

[inner yew]

It’s possible that Akefu isn’t even real yeah, and his image is a projection by Tooru

That’s a god damn complicated stand though.

[fading cove]

not really

[tidal ocean]

then where is the pursuit shit going to

[minor ore]

Sub stand

[analog ether]

But they've seen him
Oh god, are we getting into Karera photoshop theory again

[craggy belfry]

I mean Fat Valentime wasn't as hot as fit Valentine

[inner yew]

The ability to make phantoms that if pursued attack you with random shit in the environment

[fading cove]

the will part is like marion Mason

[craggy belfry]

So Araki can still subvert expectations

[minor ore]

thats true maybe webwill eventually get hot old man

[old marlin]

Fuck it, Yasuho is a Karera fusion with Kyo

[analog ether]

Uhhh, Norisuke??

[tidal ocean]

who

[fading cove]

no its going to be hot milf

[warm leaf]

head doc is gonna be buff dont worry

[old marlin]

Kyo talking to Yasuho does NOT break this theory

[tidal ocean]

daiya kills head doctor

[fading cove]

[minor ore]

I dont want norisuke to get clapped

on accident

[outer belfry]

kaato main villain

[craggy belfry]

STOP TALKING ABOUT KYO YOURE GONNA MAKE ME THINK ABOUT NOTHING BUT HER

[inner yew]

Well I think the fact that Akefu isn’t seen anywhere means SaTOORU has some ability to manipulate his record/evidence of him

[analog ether]

josuke gets his memory taken by Daiya and the part starts all over again

[tidal ocean]

kyo @craggy belfry

hot

[warm leaf]

daiya steals the fake memories tooru put in yasuho

[minor ore]

Daiya uses her big boobs to choke head doctor

[tidal ocean]

bruh

[analog ether]

legal

[viral trench]

bruh...

[old marlin]

@craggy belfry kyo

[fading cove]

what if daiya made kyo foget her role in the story

[craggy belfry]

Joshu defeats Caato

[viral trench]

why is that the first thing I see looking in this chat

[tidal ocean]

caato is the main villain

[fading cove]

*^^^

[analog ether]

No Way!

[tidal ocean]

but she is also an illusion made by tooru

[analog ether]

Oh?

[minor ore]

Oh yeah caato

[fading cove]

caato has a motive

[craggy belfry]

Rai Mamezuku main villain

[minor ore]

NO

[tidal ocean]

[outer belfry]

everything is an illusion made by tooru

[fading cove]

jobin does not

[analog ether]

So does like practically every character

[sly turret]

Caato hasn't done shit

[inner yew]

What if main villain is Head Doctor and Joubin team up

[analog ether]

jobin doesn't have a motive
bruh

[tidal ocean]

bruh

[old marlin]

Morioh is all a figment of Holly's Imagination

That's her stand!

[inner yew]

HD: I’ll give you Fruit if you kill Josuke & crew

[fading cove]

his motive is to protect his family not run a drug family

[sly turret]

At least someone like Diavolo did shit throughout the part

[analog ether]

Also POWER

[inner yew]

He’s doing more than protect his family.

[analog ether]

He's VERGIL goddamit

[old marlin]

Lmao what

[knotty mango]

f

[minor ore]

He must’ve scuffed his plan then seeing as what happened to norisuke

[outer belfry]

his motive is to be powerful

[fading cove]

diavolo was the head of the operation

jobin is not

[sly turret]

Caato legit hasn't done ANYTHING since getting out of jail aside from appearing in flashbacks

[knotty mango]

Ill be the r

[outer belfry]

didnt she talk to jobin on the phone

[tidal ocean]

@sly turret that's enough to make her the main villain

[sly turret]

What

[tidal ocean]

yes

[old marlin]

Inb4 the kid Kaato killed turns out to be named Dio

[warm leaf]

i hope jobin isnt the main villain, his motive is really lame compared to valentine and even pucci

[analog ether]

For real thogh, Jobin had a 4 page monologue explaining his ideals and goals, how can you sit there and say he has less motive than Mrs. " I don't even have a Stand name yet"??

[inner yew]

I can see her as an accessory to Jobin’s plans

[old marlin]

And he rises from the grave and is a skeleton vampire

[inner yew]

But given all the characters out and about I can see JJL going on for a couple more years at least

[fading cove]

pucci has a twisted motive

thats the whole point

[craggy belfry]

Tsurugi main villain...

[old marlin]

@analog ether jojo fans believe what other youtubers believe

[fading cove]

yes

[analog ether]

yike

[sly turret]

If Caato is the main villain I will be thoroughly confused

[fading cove]

read off the wiki

[outer belfry]

valentine doesnt have a lame motive what

[tidal ocean]

watching any jojotuber

yikes

[fading cove]

i watch scrub for hire

nub

[tidal ocean]

people who doesn't watch scrub for hire

yikes

[fading cove]

[analog ether]

The only Jojotuber you must ever watch is Italian DIO chef tbh

[winter escarp]

imagine not watching scrub for hire

[old marlin]

Why does no one just admit that its the Rock Humans and Jobin who are the antagonists for Jousuke

[sly turret]

They're good, but it's also good to have ur own opinions and not just regurgitate youtube videos

[fading cove]

scrub for hire is super good

[minor ore]

Scrub ain’t that good

[sly turret]

[minor ore]

None of he jojotubers are

[inner yew]

I just don’t know if it’s Joubin

[fading cove]

wrong

[inner yew]

But I’m glad I don’t know

[tidal ocean]

head doctor's real name is actually dio brando

[fading cove]

srub is best

[winter escarp]

it's ok to have a wrong opinion

[minor ore]

Wait in like a year when scrub becomes ‘cringe’

[inner yew]

Araki not making it obvious is original for him.

[fading cove]

[craggy belfry]

That lego Gyro pfp is epic

[inner yew]

The fact that there are multiple antagonistic factions is cool

[winter escarp]

thanks, made the full minifigure art myself

[fading cove]

scrub is not cringe yet

he's telling a story

[craggy belfry]

Can you send it in general_spoilers

[fading cove]

valentine goes to walmart and buys napkins

[winter escarp]

i can send you in pm

[analog ether]

This is the only JoJo YT vid that matters btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOnjm9MU7pY

[craggy belfry]

Ok

[old marlin]

Why

[fading cove]

i will watch

[craggy belfry]

I will not watch I am here for Jojolion and that looks long

[warm leaf]

how many theories did the new chapter kill? head doc doesnt look like speedwagon or joseph

[fading cove]

he has the hat

[analog ether]

Obviously, the best JoJo vid is Josuke getting his hair cut by Rohan but that's not on YT

ANYWAY

[fading cove]

and who would have thought hd was joseph

[analog ether]

Feel like the whole thing of Mitsuba being with the HD is like, a pretty big bombshell worth talking about

[winter escarp]

Obviously the best JoJo vid is battle_tendency.mp4

[craggy belfry]

4chan Hairposter

[sly turret]

GUYS

[fading cove]

guys

[warm leaf]

cuz joseph would be 89 years old in the year jjl takes place

[sly turret]

MITSUBA WAS IN A WHEELCHAIR

[analog ether]

Based Hairposter

[fading cove]

yup

she was before

[sly turret]

Its not a bombshell

Remember wu?

[tidal ocean]

wu was epic

[inner yew]

What if Baby that showed up on shore is Akefu

[fading cove]

i think its a photograph of a past time

[sly turret]

Or the previous rokakaka fruit trades she did

[tidal ocean]

so no nose?

[fading cove]

she's done it a couple of times

[craggy belfry]

Dont say that about Wu or mike will go ballistic

[minor ore]

Jobin got a thing for rock noses

[tidal ocean]

wu=epic

[analog ether]

She's not in a wheelchair though

[sly turret]

I'm pretty sure she is

[fading cove]

when her legs where like gone

because they turned to stone

dont do drugs kids

[analog ether]

comfy lookin wheelchair then

[inner yew]

Well we know Mistuba has met him before.

[minor ore]

Yeah that’s just a chair

[fading cove]

yeah she has the blanket on

[inner yew]

Becasue when he shows up on their property she recognizes him

[sly turret]

Oof

[winter escarp]

Mitsuba is just doing her best Johnny impression guys

[craggy belfry]

Actually tbh you can't really tell if that's a wheel chair

[fading cove]

no more bulli johnny

[outer belfry]

i think it is theres a handle for pushing

[analog ether]

rock on head dead haha

[fading cove]

[inner yew]

That’s not a handle

[minor ore]

That’s his Cain

[warm leaf]

the handle is the doc's cane

[kind owl]

@minor ore, Your Stand Power is now level 3 !

[inner yew]

That’s his cane

[sly turret]

The handle is just HDs cane

[minor ore]

Cane*

[outer belfry]

oh nvm

[winter escarp]

The wheelchair handles are not the only thing the Head Doctor is pushing

[analog ether]

It's KANE!

[sly turret]

...

[fading cove]

this chapter gave us nothing besides a face reveal

[winter escarp]

and possibility of Tooru being HD

[tidal ocean]

||it's me dio||
ok this joke is ironic don't slaughter me

[inner yew]

The question is, if Tooru has that pic, how?

Unless they are different people

[minor ore]

So if you even think about pursuing him his stand attack’s you

[outer belfry]

tooru is suspicious

[tidal ocean]

yes @minor ore

[inner yew]

Oh well he’s probably a projection of him or something

[minor ore]

This is why we need daiya

[inner yew]

He definitely seems not real

[sly turret]

Only issue with the pursuit thing is Yasuho

[inner yew]

But I wonder how that bears on the other Rock Doctors tho

[sly turret]

She wasn't hit with rain

[warm leaf]

stands dont show up on camera so this chapter disproved the doc is tooru's stand

[analog ether]

She wasn't really purseing him

[minor ore]

She was pursuing josuke and mamezuku

[craggy belfry]

Hato solo arc when...

[inner yew]

Yeah that basically confirms he has control over that stand

[kind owl]

@craggy belfry, Your Stand Power is now level 4 !

[minor ore]

Not the head doctor

[tidal ocean]

@craggy belfry well never

[inner yew]

Hmmm....

[kind owl]

@inner yew, Your Stand Power is now level 3 !

[inner yew]

Maybe

[supple totem]

Tooru prob showed the headocters face on purpose for the heavy rain to come

[minor ore]

Also this stand straight up counters blue Hawaii

[tidal ocean]

LMFAO

[inner yew]

Ha. Yeah it’s like the inverse.

[tidal ocean]

it does

[inner yew]

Inescapable vs. Unfindable

[craggy belfry]

I mean do we really have any proof stands dont show up on camera... the only thing we have close to that is the original universe rules and Joseph's spirit photography showed Aqua Necklace. And I wouldn't count that since the old universe seems to have different stand rules

[fading cove]

and the fact that it sensed will makes it marilyn manson + sheer heart attack

[inner yew]

I don’t think Akefu is the stand.

The stand is the thing that was behind Josuke in the elevator

[fading cove]

being that sheer heart attack has no weakness

[inner yew]

But the image of the head doctor is probably an ability of the stand.

[minor ore]

It would be weird for him to be a stand

He just looks like a guy

Especially with part 8 given the robotic look of all their stands

[inner yew]

The reason he was on the Higashikata estate is becasue Tooru might have to ability to use the head doctor illusion for recon/spying

[outer belfry]

Or maybe he was pursuing Jobin

[analog ether]

Do people actually buy into the whole "HD is an illusion/stand" thing?
I thought that was contrived even from day one
And this chapter ending puts quite a few dents in that theory.

[inner yew]

Its also entirely possible Tooru and Doctor are not after the same thing.

And just coincidentally their plans are meshing

[warm leaf]

it didnt feel like the doc was a real person

[tidal ocean]

Tooru=HD
woke

[sly turret]

deep

[inner yew]

It’s the fact that they couldn’t catch him no matter how fast they went

Seemed like he was just baiting them to begi. With

[minor ore]

Besides who would the other stand belong to

Lpc, what would be the point of tooru not being in the picture otherwise? i think its a misdirection but its still worth noting

[outer belfry]

we have not seen toorus stand yet

If he has one

[analog ether]

What if Toru is just like the Tonio of this part, and we're all being played?
Like, Araki is purposefully making him suspect as fuck, but then it's revealed after all that he really is just a normal guy.

[minor ore]

It’s possible

[analog ether]

Doesn't even need to be a stand user

[tidal ocean]

who does that stand belong 2 then

[old marlin]

Inb4 Tooru uses Spin

[analog ether]

Satoru

[warm leaf]

both creating illusions and hurt people who try to chase the illusion isnt too much for a single stand ability

[analog ether]

Wdym?

[kind owl]

@warm leaf, Your Stand Power is now level 4 !

[minor ore]

Stand 2?

[craggy belfry]

Honestly I have no true idea of what will happen with Jojolion. There are so many key factors happening right now and key factors that need to be brought up again that I don't know where ANYTHING is going. I only have hopes for things I want to happen and most of them are crazy theories anyway like King Crimson in part 8 but that has slim slim chances of happening

[minor ore]

The one that appeared behind them is believed to be the head doctors

It’s just a physical manifestation of the pursuit switch being turned on

yeah its an impossible to predict part

[tidal ocean]

i hate and love things like that

[cyan viper]

ayy is chapter 90 out

[minor ore]

yep

[cyan viper]

ok, cool

[tidal ocean]

rai didn't say 89 in this chapter 😩

[cyan viper]

alright, im boutta head out to read this

[tidal ocean]

10 mins later
"yo wtf?"

[minor ore]

Have a fun read man

[cyan viper]

thx

[craggy belfry]

Also I still think the Umbrella stand is Tooru's however now that we have a full photo of Akefu I'm gonna see if I can match any of his design details with the stand because I still think it shares more with Tooru

[analog ether]

The one thing I still find quite interesting about Toru is the fact we stil haven't gotten his full name yet. I'm pretty sure that makes him the only main character to not have one minus the Aphex Twins

[minor ore]

Wait wait hold up

Umbrella stand?

[craggy belfry]

Just took a quick look at it and there was like no details on him

The umbrella stand is what they call the stand in the hallway

[analog ether]

stand like a holder of umberllas, not a stand power

[craggy belfry]

Cause the bottom part looks like an umbrella

[minor ore]

Oooh

[brittle blade]

umbrella stand? you mean rainy day dream away?

[analog ether]

No guys, like an ACTUAL real stand

[craggy belfry]

Get that PHF crap out of here

[minor ore]

All along the watch tower

[analog ether]

This shit

[sly turret]

Main villain right here

[outer belfry]

can an umbrella save josuke from the rain

[kind owl]

@outer belfry, Your Stand Power is now level 4 !

[tidal ocean]

no @outer belfry

😩

[minor ore]

Honestly I could see araki playing us a fool and just making tooru a normal guy just trying to get back together with yasuho

[craggy belfry]

Haha very funny but do you guys actually not remember them calling it the Umbrella stand or am I the only one

[minor ore]

I don’t

[warm leaf]

the doc has no features that give any hints except the jobin spikes on his stubble

[sly turret]

I don't

[analog ether]

No, they didn't, they were talking about the literal umberella stand that Rai bumped into.

[craggy belfry]

Oh crap

[left iris]

the doctor looks ugly as fuck

[analog ether]

Here

[minor ore]

I mean he is 89 years old

[craggy belfry]

I see

[left iris]

still ugly

[minor ore]

Oh yeah so his ability can also just through shit into you?

What’s up with that

[analog ether]

Well that's his ability

[minor ore]

Yeah but later on the way it happens is more natural

Like rain falling or a dude almost hitting you with his car

[analog ether]

Well, that's jojo, stands get more fine tuned as the battles go along
But the idea of "attacks knocking into you" still applies here

[minor ore]

Yeah

And now it has the added benefit of that force being multiplied

Like rain droplets piercing through your skin

[outer belfry]

why does it make the rain kill you but things like chairs dont

[minor ore]

Probably as LCP SAID

Oops caps wtf

[brittle blade]

ooh

[kind owl]

@brittle blade, Your Stand Power is now level 8 !

[minor ore]

Like going by the rules we have now mamezukus chest would’ve been crushed by those umbrellas

[brittle blade]

what do you all think of toorus speech?

about electricity and Huawei

[outer belfry]

electricity going into the sky

[analog ether]

I mean Rai did get his legs fucking obliterated by running into thigns tbf

[minor ore]

He’s the next Steve Jobs

[outer belfry]

kind of reminds me of lightning

[minor ore]

Oh yeah true

[craggy belfry]

Didn't really know what to think of it but it could have something to do with his stand which would make it similar to Paisley Park

[minor ore]

I’m gonna day it tooru is innocent

Araki is just playing you guys

[craggy belfry]

What if.... Paisley Park was Tooru's stand and he gave it to Yasuho to use...