jojolion

[minor ore]

Any of you guys ever heard of a game called E.Y.E Divine Cybermancy?

The armor designs are really badass

[forest nimbus]

Paisley park lools different everytime we see it cause it can freely change its shape

Hints the added highheels, removal of robotic looks and ect, so it doesnt really have a set in stone design ig

[sleek mason]

I like to imagine paisley park's skins is constantly shifting and changing, like an actual GPS map on your phone would perhaps

[forest nimbus]

We've seen her map change a few instances

[sleek mason]

^ yeah.

Also hoepfully by the time Jojo lion is animated they have thr tech to animate shifting skin at a reasonable cost/time

[minor ore]

get ready for cg paisley park

[fading cove]

i feel the jojo fandom is big enough if dp stopped with the anime we get a fanmade cg anime

since 2d animation is stupidly hard for even a stand arc

[sly turret]

I mean, some people have already done fanmade animations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIEL6htGXgI

like this

[queen fox]

I don't care what people say, part 6 is a fantastic part

people trash on it a bunch

[sly turret]

I like it a lot, but it has one of the worst arcs in all of jojo

the max security arc is awful

[fading cove]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

it was so bad i hated the rest of the part up till c moon

[sly turret]

yeah

[fading cove]

i thought about it

and as stupid as the concept was

[sly turret]

also this is just a personal issue but I found it very hard to take heavy weather seriously

[fading cove]

dio childern was a good arc

[sly turret]

yeah, underworld is one of my favorite stands

[fading cove]

at least the blue frogs raining from the sky made sense

with heavy weather

[sly turret]

yeah, but the snail thing was dumb

[fading cove]

why didnt weather smite pucci?

[sly turret]

I think it would've been better if Araki just made it so tornadoes and thunderstorms and shit happened without his control

[fading cove]

i never understood the snails either

also

back to the fan made stuff

[minor ore]

its a little too bizarre, even for jojos

[fading cove]

animation is to hard to create for a group of 20-30 fans

2d animation at least

[minor ore]

DP just has to go to either the kickstarter route ( which worked wonders for little witch acadamia ) or the OVA route

[fading cove]

no ova's

part 7 needs better treatment

[minor ore]

which is something I hope they do consider for part 7, considering it would look significantly worse with cg horses

[fading cove]

it would

the cg horses scare me

when everyones at the start

of the race

that scene

[minor ore]

for sure. the art in the anime doesnt need to be as good as it gets in the manga, but it should at least be able to keep up

[fading cove]

🤞

[minor ore]

oof kf theyre gonna do cg theyd be better off not even including that

[fading cove]

thats the only huge scene that would need cg right?

in new york they have like 5 horses

i dont ever remember anything they would need it for after the start

[minor ore]

i mean, just the horses movement in general would require it. DP has a moderate budget that they can get away with by using a ton of still shots and speed lines. I think thatd be more awkward for horses constantly in motion

[fading cove]

they only really need 4 frames per horse

and only alternate every other horse

but

its so early in the anime this would have to be planed for in pre production, right?

[minor ore]

for sure

if they havent already talked about it now

considering how much of an obvious hurdle it is

that panel probably took araki forever

[fading cove]

and he doesnt have to draw motion

[queen fox]

DP is really wanting jojo to be the best it can, so I think they'll find a way

in fact, they'll likely spend 2 years just finding a way to draw horses well before they do anything

[fading cove]

they havent let us down

[queen fox]

also, about the 100 horses thing

that's going to rather simple

[sly turret]

they can just make a few animations and copy paste them

[queen fox]

or they can be smart and put cg to span it out

by that time, cg will be good enough

because we're basing it off what we have now instead of the future

[sly turret]

true, maybe by the year 2050 when part 7 is animated anime cg will be good

[queen fox]

I mean look at the new Lupin movie

[sly turret]

yeah that looks so good

or look at another anime like land of the lustrous

[queen fox]

SBR will likely be 2022, so it'll be amazing by then

ya

[fading cove]

this scene, i can feel the framerate dying

[sly turret]

copy and pasted cg horses to the rescue

[sleek mason]

I can feel the animators crying more than they did at the thought of animating the outfits of the part five gang

[queen fox]

it's going to be panning shot

[sleek mason]

I mean yes but it's funny to imagine some poor itnern tasked with horse duty

[queen fox]

btw, each episode takes 3 weeks to make, people tend to forget this fact at lot, so DP can extend that to 4 weeks per episode

[fading cove]

usually theyre always ahead

[sly turret]

wouldn't be surprised if they end up having to split part 7 into 2 seasons like part 3

same with part 8

[queen fox]

some anime studios are only a week ahead

[fading cove]

part 5 got a little risky because you could tell when they started to run out of time

like a-1

[sleek mason]

I thunk/want sbr to be multiple seasons

It has wwaaaayyy more th an part 3

[fading cove]

ive never seen an amazing a-1 scene

never

never seen a mind blowing scene

[queen fox]

Shaft is good, they're always a year ahead

[fading cove]

think of jojo colors plus shaft colors

[queen fox]

Shaft has to work on part 6 ngl

they just have a style for it

[fading cove]

if jolyne doesnt have green hair

[queen fox]

Jolyne will get green hair

it's kinda Araki's fav

[sleek mason]

Red or blonde could look Interesting

[sly turret]

nothing scares me more than the thought of the sbr adaptation having green johnny

[fading cove]

have you seen eyes of heaven gyro?

[sleek mason]

Okay green Johnny is legit vomit indicing

[sly turret]

or jjl having orange gappy

[sleek mason]

Blue lipstick, hat and nails or I riot

[queen fox]

Anasui is really popular character in japan

[fading cove]

part 9 anasui will be girl

called it

boom

👏

[pastel adder]

I really like johnny's voice in EoH at least, same VA as koichi but it fits him so well, just please don't be green

[sly turret]

yeah

[pastel adder]

I hate gappy's voice in EoH though

[sleek mason]

Gyros Eoh voice is also gr8

[fading cove]

i remember looking up some eyes of heaven voice clips for part 5

and

[sly turret]

i hate gappy's everything in the games

[queen fox]

if we don't get pink valentine we riot

[sly turret]

he just seems so off

[fading cove]

it was different

[pastel adder]

yeah gyro's voice is perfect too

[sleek mason]

I kinda like the sauve voice they use for gappy

[fading cove]

what other color would valentine be?

[queen fox]

white

[sleek mason]

But it is a little drowsy?

[sly turret]

Gappy's model also looks really weird in the games

like his clothes are too smooth and he looks like hes wearing makeup

[pastel adder]

josuke also has a trash voice in EoH

[fading cove]

oh

[queen fox]

we might be stuck with this valentine

[fading cove]

you have to paint this

[pastel adder]

ngl I like the white

[fading cove]

no

[sleek mason]

Wut why

[fading cove]

ur wrong

thats why

[sleek mason]

No, do pink valentine

[sly turret]

anyone else very uncomfortable looking at this

[pastel adder]

pink is better but white is ok

It's ok, I just don't like his lipstick

[fading cove]

do you guys like white johnny or blue johnny

[pastel adder]

blue is the only way to have johnny tbh

he looks really good blue

[sly turret]

blue is what I like the most, but thats probably just bc of the manga

[pastel adder]

same with gyro, if he looks like he does in EoH i'd be upset

[sly turret]

yeah

[pastel adder]

why the fuck did they choose that pallet, like damn

he is just neon everything

[fading cove]

the eoh one doesnt brother me as much

like orange gappy

[sleek mason]

White or blue gappy is fine

[sleek mason]

Orange is riot time

[fading cove]

has to be white

[sly turret]

heres the og panel for the eoh pic btw

[fading cove]

you here of a blue gappy?

[sleek mason]

I'm pretty sure a light sky blue has been used for gappy?

[sly turret]

white gappy looks best imo

[fading cove]

what about dark blue jotaro

[sly turret]

thats fine, its the og color for him iirc

[fading cove]

every time i think of jotaro i feel sad that joseph doesnt have an iconic design

[sly turret]

I think he does, its just its too similar to Johnathan

[kind owl]

@sly turret, Your Stand Power is now level 15 !

[sly turret]

[sleek mason]

I think araki was scared about the whole "new protagonist" thing and intentionalky made him look a lot like Jonathan to ease readers into joseph

[sly turret]

yeah

[sleek mason]

And then tequila happens

Ah Joseph

[sly turret]

this chat is just jojo_general_spoilers 2 at this point

[fading cove]

i like it

see

[pastel adder]

Jojolion is a good part

[fading cove]

everyone here has read every part

[sly turret]

indeed it is

[fading cove]

if not

[sly turret]

you know there are some part skippers in here though occasionally

[fading cove]

i will upload what part skipers get

[pastel adder]

started my reread of part 7 today

[sly turret]

nice

[fading cove]

the beginning is rough

[pastel adder]

yeah

[fading cove]

what are the boom boom family

[sly turret]

but the beginning has the best villain in all of jojo

[pastel adder]

In the middle of oyecomova

[sly turret]

pork pie hat kid

[fading cove]

ha ya is stupid

i hate it

[sly turret]

hey ya is great

it fits pocoloco

[fading cove]

its bs

[sly turret]

It literally just give words of encouragement and tells the user what to do and I love it

[fading cove]

its like it erases time?

it just works?

[sly turret]

I see it more as it just makes the user extremely lucky

[pastel adder]

part 7 starts slow but it's climax is either my first or second favorite part of any anime or manga ever

[sly turret]

like a much much better dragons dream

[fading cove]

i want my friends to read part 8 so i can explain the king crimson theory to them

[sly turret]

god I hate that theory

no particular reason, I just do

it just bothers me for some reason

[fading cove]

it just works

[queen fox]

if what Araki said in SBR was true (part 9), it'll likely be saved for later (king crimson)

or is still true*

[pastel adder]

I'd rather have paper moon king crimson tbh

[fading cove]

well

killer queen is totally different from what in was in the main line universe

[sly turret]

It basically got nerfed

[queen fox]

Araki discovered the circle tool

[fading cove]

so king crimson would work differently too

[queen fox]

The World...

[fading cove]

stupid circle joke made me laugh

the world pauses time

its that simple

[sly turret]

King crimson should be saved for part 9 imo

[queen fox]

also you can say Killer Queen in part 8 is more versitile

[sly turret]

Its not made for murder too

[fading cove]

killer queen fits kira better in each part

i do like that the hero's journey already started before chapter 1

[sly turret]

?

[queen fox]

...

[fading cove]

kira gets involved before gappy

[sly turret]

That aint the hero's journey

[fading cove]

as i read the steps

anyway

[sly turret]

I guess Gappy kinda fits it

[fading cove]

all heros do

[sly turret]

No they don't

[pastel adder]

most loosely fit the journey

[sly turret]

The hero's journey isn't an end all be all guide like ur english teacher says it is

[fading cove]

most do follow it

i didnt mean strictly

[sly turret]

Gotcha

[fading cove]

its just a observation of how a lot of authors wrote their characters in like the 50s or something

[sly turret]

Yeah I know

It wasn't even an author that came up with it

[fading cove]

anyway i do like how gappy perfectly follows the kira arcs

but

he puts a hero twist on it

[queen fox]

early part 8 is really good

[fading cove]

yeah

did araki get tried of those plot threads?

[kind owl]

@fading cove, Your Stand Power is now level 23 !

[queen fox]

which one?

[sly turret]

First half of part 8 is very good, second half will just depend on the main antagonist

[fading cove]

it has to be kaato

[queen fox]

Kaato sounds cool

[icy bluff]

Ye Kaato.

[fading cove]

i dont see jobin being twisted enough to be a villian

[queen fox]

we haven't seen her in awhile

[pastel adder]

as it is currently it's kinda muddled with where exactly the plot is going, I'll reserve judgement for later

[sly turret]

If the main villain is as good as Damo then they will be amazing

[fading cove]

if jobin was the villain he would have to act more like pucci where he thinks he's in the right

[pastel adder]

I hope it's kaato but I don't think it will be

[queen fox]

part 8 doesn't feel muddled imo but I can see it sometimes, but very little

[fading cove]

her stand has to be named queen

[sly turret]

I think Kaato trapped Kyo in her cards

[fading cove]

has to

[queen fox]

Jobin and Kaato have a thing togeather

[fading cove]

yeah

[queen fox]

so double villains for the first time?

[fading cove]

jobin is part of the rock fruit trade

no

i think jobin is a pawn

[queen fox]

once Kyo gets into the story again, it'll be huge

[pastel adder]

Also just straight up might not have a main antag, but also unlikely

[fading cove]

kaato had a super nice phone for someone in prison for 15 years

and she had a new picture of jobin

[icy bluff]

If there were double villains, it would be Kaato and some rock human we haven’t seen yet.

[queen fox]

omg, i just got an intresting idea

[sly turret]

tooru

[queen fox]

Kaato was a free prisoner, someone who never really lived a prison life

[kind owl]

@queen fox, Your Stand Power is now level 13 !

[fading cove]

yeah

[icy bluff]

Kaato’s basically Kingpin

[fading cove]

yeah

because i feel jobins motivation is his family

not the house

mainly his son and wife

[icy bluff]

Kaato also has compelling motivation.

[fading cove]

jobin doesnt

well

[queen fox]

tbf, we really don't understand how Kaato's ability 100% works

[fading cove]

araki could do the Valentine moral high ground again

but

[sly turret]

I really wanna see Kaatos stands physical form

[fading cove]

he doesnt do anything similar

[icy bluff]

I think the motivation is just going to be “protecting family” or “I’m gonna get what’s mine”.

[fading cove]

also i think sbr villains will have space time stands

[queen fox]

it might just be a teleportation stand and not a space stand for all we know

[fading cove]

thats what d4c was right?

teleports to a different universe?

[sly turret]

Yeah

A parallel one with small differences

[icy bluff]

I think Kaato’s cards can transfer objects. Something goes in one card comes out the other card.

[kind owl]

@icy bluff, Your Stand Power is now level 8 !

[fading cove]

the question is

[queen fox]

@icy bluff exactly

[sly turret]

But then how was the phone hidden in them

[fading cove]

can the objects interact?

within the cards

[sly turret]

Unless she gave one card to Jobin

[icy bluff]

Have you ever played portal?

[queen fox]

what would happen when I human goes into it?

[sly turret]

They get erased

I think thats what happened to Kyo

[fading cove]

like gas and a light in between one set and then she traps you

araki forgot kyo

but

[queen fox]

Kyo and Love Love Deluxe

[fading cove]

he didnt forget fun fun fun

[icy bluff]

If two “portals” are sandwiched together then the object in the middle will stay in stasis. Maybe that’s what happened to her phone.

[sly turret]

Araki didn't forget kyo

[queen fox]

he didn't

[sly turret]

He conciously removed her from a recent family photo she was once in

[fading cove]

i hold part 8 to a higher standard than part 4 and 5

[queen fox]

:0

[fading cove]

i was watching a meme video and they wrote "people just dont like you because johnny came before you"

and that is true

[sly turret]

Yeah

[fading cove]

my standards are way higher now

[queen fox]

Kyo can be working with Love Love Karera! think about it

[fading cove]

i dont want anymore prototype bite the dust josuke saves josuke

[sly turret]

I hope so

bc Karera was cool too

[fading cove]

really different

[sly turret]

I personally also like 8 more than 7

[fading cove]

i expected her to be some what similar

[queen fox]

Kyo and Karera are the only characters to really have links with Josefumi and Kira

[icy bluff]

Ye

[fading cove]

part 7 has the best climax of any part

you cant deny

[pastel adder]

fuck that bites the dust josuke theory, it's dumb

[sly turret]

I like the emporio vs Pucci chase more personally

but 7 is a close second

[queen fox]

Karera is the Josfumi half and Kyo is the Kira half, they shared the same role, meaning Araki likely planned on them working together

Emporio vs Pucci is amazing

[fading cove]

i wanted to put that on my controller skin

but its a page long panel

[pastel adder]

from who shot johnny joestar to Break my Heart, Break Your Heart is peak jojo

[fading cove]

my favorite moment from d4c arc has to be when diego saids "I alone understand"

he's still dio at the end of the day

[pastel adder]

Vitamin C is a close second though

[queen fox]

Karera and Kyo are going to end up working together

I bet on it

[fading cove]

vitamin c is an amazing mid boss

[sly turret]

I have never been more invested in a JoJo fight then in the Vitamin C and Killer Queen arc

[fading cove]

no?

because karera was on kira and josefumi side

[queen fox]

more Josefumi

[pastel adder]

Vitamin C is my favorite JoJo fight for sure

[sly turret]

I wish Damo barely escaped with his life so he could be the main villain with a stand power boost

[fading cove]

she got scared when josuke informed her what happened and skipped town or something

[sly turret]

but noooooooo, Gappy had to be a badass and murder him

[queen fox]

it's more Josefumi

I mean she introduced Josefumi to the story

[fading cove]

yeah

[sly turret]

yeah, she only casually knew Kira through Josefumi

[fading cove]

will holly die?

[sly turret]

no

[fading cove]

isnt she already to far gone

[queen fox]

no

[fading cove]

?

[pastel adder]

She'll be saved most likely

[queen fox]

Mitsuba had her kid saved

[fading cove]

yeah

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[queen fox]

Kyo and Karera will be a big thing in the story I swear

they're going to continue the Kira and Josefumi storyline

[sly turret]

They better

[fading cove]

will josuke stand fuse with Tsurugi?

i think so

[queen fox]

why

[sly turret]

why would that ever happen

[fading cove]

how else do they get rid of equivalent exchange?

[sly turret]

?

[queen fox]

what equivalent exchange?

[sly turret]

im so lost rn

[fading cove]

with the rock fruit

[sly turret]

what do you mean get rid of

[queen fox]

Gappy will forever be Gappy

[sly turret]

Kira is dead, Gappy can't go back to being 2 people

[fading cove]

i mean trade in equivalent exchange

no

for tsurugi

[sly turret]

Why would Gappy do the trade with Tsurugi

that would give Gappy the rock disease

[fading cove]

then who would

[sly turret]

Jobin

[queen fox]

^

[sly turret]

or Norisuke, but ya know...

[queen fox]

rip

[sly turret]

that aint happening

Or Jobin will try to sacrifice someone else like Caato did

[queen fox]

Jobin can sacrifice himself ngl

[fading cove]

can you sacrifice just your stand?

[queen fox]

he does care for him

[fading cove]

or would that sacrifice your soul

[queen fox]

no, that's your soul

and it's not like the corpse stands

so you'll die

[fading cove]

is araki still trying to do the kira arc from part 4?

with a heroic spin on them

[sly turret]

Araki doesn't like looking back at the past a lot

[fading cove]

the beginning really made me think about it

[sly turret]

Its why there are so many minor plot holes throughout the series

[queen fox]

I don't think so

[fading cove]

he wonders with a new face

and finds a new family

and integrates with them

[sly turret]

sidenote we still don't know why Norisuke took Gappy in

[queen fox]

we have an idea

[sly turret]

what would that be

[queen fox]

I believe it was because he thought he was Kira

[sly turret]

but he called him Josuke and acknowledged Kira as a separate person

[queen fox]

ya, but I think that's as trick

he didn't fully trust him until I'm a rock

[fading cove]

yeah

[sly turret]

I guess

[fading cove]

why they put the branch in the higashikata farm then?

[queen fox]

because it was near by

[fading cove]

dont they have trees near by their horses

[queen fox]

it's more hiding it than anything

[sly turret]

Sidenote, my current theory with the rokakaka is that its equivalent exchange property is a result of being on the higashikata family ground, and that Johnny's body was turned into a new holy corpse and gained the equivalent exchange ability, which is why the ground mixes things around

[queen fox]

Johnny died on what ever that road was called

[sly turret]

yeah but he was buried elsewhere

[fading cove]

the shackdown road?

[queen fox]

true

ya

[sly turret]

they didn't just leave his body there

[fading cove]

why it has the leaves there or something

the leaves are a side affect of tusk

[queen fox]

wait

it does make sense why he is a holy corpse

when he died, he did one miracle

[fading cove]

yeah

[queen fox]

creating a stand

[sly turret]

?

[fading cove]

he created the jorge joestar novels

[queen fox]

he created the shackdown road stand

[sly turret]

oh wait you mean les feuilles?

[fading cove]

yeah

rotation is golden

you guys thought i was stupid when i said ball breakers and shackdown road stand look similar and where connected

[queen fox]

I mean, I never heard you say that

[queen fox]

cute

[queen fox]

it's kinda there

[sly turret]

I guess with the circles

[fading cove]

what i thought

[sly turret]

alright lets get down to the important questions

who is best girl in part 8

[queen fox]

Karera

[fading cove]

yasuho

come on

she has cute panels

[queen fox]

Yasuho is good

[sly turret]

I would say Karera but we need to see more of her

[queen fox]

like really good

[sly turret]

so rn mine is Yasuho

[queen fox]

actually, Yasuho

cute from the start

[fading cove]

i hope and dont hope yasuho is jobro

because she'll die if she is

😦

[sly turret]

Okuyasu didn't die

[queen fox]

Koichi didn't die

[sly turret]

Hermes died but also didn't

[queen fox]

(me remembering she's just Koichi, gj Araki!)

[merry crescent]

Hey! its me goku i mean joshu

[sly turret]

Yo who let god in here

[merry crescent]

god did

[sly turret]

shit you let ur self in here then

[merry crescent]

Yeah

[sly turret]

How does it feel being the best jojo character

[merry crescent]

I feel incomplete

[sly turret]

understandable

[merry crescent]

I need yasuho

[sly turret]

understandable

[merry crescent]

Yasuhoe ahem

[sly turret]

thoughts?

[hoary sun]

hato is obviously the best girl because she killed a man with high heels and if that's not big strap energy idk what is

[summer tree]

I was watching another series

and I FINALLY FOUND OUT WHY HE's 89 YEARS OLD

IT ALL FUCKING MAKES SENSE NOW

[hoary sun]

....WHAT

[summer tree]

HIS STAND CAUSES MISFORTUNE

89 CAN BE PRONOUNCED AS MISFORTUNE

THIS IS WHY THEY KEEP PUSHING THIS FUCKING NUMBER

[long wasp]

[hoary sun]

araki's fucking mind

[long wasp]

everyone be memeing 89 but Araki was playing us all for fools

[hoary sun]

i need to check and see if the characters are always knocked into after rai mentions the head doctor being 89 years old

if that's the trigger

and not pursuit

im gonna LOSE IT

[long wasp]

can't wait to hear Valentine vs Akefu matchups with this info

[hoary sun]

is this guy really 89?

is this guy really misfortune?

[summer tree]

if that's the case that's gonna be fucking hilarious
just imagine it's a case of Rai fucking it up everytime he says it
it's probably more symbolic anyways

[hoary sun]

yeah, it's not like he has to say it anyways

[long wasp]

imagine watching another series and figuring out the secret of the latest JoJo enemy

[hoary sun]

galaxy brain

[long wasp]

[summer tree]

okay I went and checked the manga, there's one or two times where they immediately run into something after bringing up his age, but it's not all the time, sometimes they say it and nothing happens, somethings an accident happens even if they didn't say

would've been cool if it was the case of "them saying it triggers it" but that might've been a little too dumb lol

[hoary sun]

okay haha

tbh it would be a shitty trigger once you figured it out

but still, really cool nod

[summer tree]

I wonder if Araki was thinking about that when he killed Speedwagon at 89 years old

[hoary sun]

sorta like the superstition around the number four like mista has

[summer tree]

yeah

[minor ore]

So. Newest chapter.

A.

if yasuho is dead.

I'm gonna sob.

i think that there's not 1 stand in play here, but two, i think the intesifying of stuff like rain tearing through their bodies and touching that one guys neck and it getting snapped, i think that might be tooru, and akefu's stand is well, the stand that attacks when you "pursue" akefu

could be wrong though

[hoary sun]

exactly my theory, thank u for validation

[minor ore]

that’s the theory so far

that they’re both stand users

[minor ore]

of course tooru is a stand user have you even seen is clothing

ikr

i didn’t even need to see more of him to know he was no good

moment he was introduced i knew something was off

gappy kinda noticed it too

as in they bumped into tooru at some rather weird times or whatever

[empty grove]

I think tooru is gonna try and rape yasuho

[minor ore]

I mean that could happen but it seems pretty out of place for him to try

Like they don't seem like they broke off on bad terms, just grew out of love or they grew as people and noticed the other was not for them

[minor ore]

Fwooo

[agile jacinth]

Mmmm yikes

Mitsubishi and yee haw :oo

[formal veldt]

hmm

[minor ore]

i hope they kill off tooru soon

he's a dick

[formal veldt]

yeah

don't like him

and i definitely think he's connected to the head doctor in some way

[late beacon]

[supple totem]

i kinda understand why people think tooru is the main villian

let me find an image that might explain why

https://gyazo.com/e9211a71574779fa417a245b74510723

[ocean mirage]

i understand now

[supple totem]

xd but look

[ocean mirage]

thank you

[supple totem]

bru u u uh

[wise sun]

Yeah I see it

[formal veldt]

hmm... head doctor & tooru rokakaka fusion main villain?

[sly turret]

If either of them or a fusion of them is the main villain im gonna be pissed

Like unless we're only half way through JJL right now, it's way too late to introduce the main antagonist

I think Tooru could work as a Vanilla Ice type second to final boss

Or Araki could pull a Damo and make Tooru a super interesting character even with no build up idk

[formal veldt]

might not even just be one main villain

but a bunch of conflicting groups

rock humans - jobin - josuke's gang

[sly turret]

I could see that, kinda like 2 main antagonists, Jobin and the leader of the rock humans

[brazen crater]

I'm pretty sure that tooru looking like that next to josuke is just to show that they are both after yasuho

[minor ore]

they kinda have mirrored poses

[heavy grove]

Is it just me or do the legs look a bit too skinny?

They look a bit off

[formal veldt]

tooru skipped leg day

[minor ore]

main villain stands are supposed to be more or less op right

[heavy grove]

Yeah

[minor ore]

someone recently came up with the idea of the head doctor doing something with misfortune

[formal veldt]

directing misfortune

hmmmm

hmmmmm

[grizzled pilot]

[1:32 PM] Terck: main villain stands are supposed to be more or less op right
this is usually true but not universally

i wouldn't say killer queen is an especially overpowered stand

kira just happens to have incredibly good application with it

and the tools and situation to have things go his way

(cinderella, stray cat, yoshihiro's information and his arrow, etc)

killer queen on its own could be a SDC stand, really

[sly turret]

I mean it got a slight nerf and became a normal minor antagonist stand kinda in part 7 with oyecomeova or whatever his name was

[minor ore]

@grizzled pilot DiU was not a world-changing thing

the main villain wasnt a mafia boss, a world-threatening priest or a vampire who wants to achieve world domination

kira was a serial killer who happened to be a stand user

with a dangerous stand alright, but the story was... small-scale, if you get what i mean

k i r a o n l y w a n t e d t o l i v e a q u i e t l i f e

[sly turret]

I can see a non overpowered stand being the main antagonist stand for part 8, considering it's arguably even more small scale then part 4

[minor ore]

perhaps

except the antagonist group isnt exactly human

and gappy has some severe pressure about what he does

[sly turret]

Yeah, thats why I put the arguably there

[grizzled pilot]

i agree, that's why i thought it was worth mentioning

[sly turret]

bc that part of the story isn't small scale, but all the higashikata family stuff is extremely small scale

[minor ore]

i guess

[ocean mirage]

i wonder if this part would involve more of 'the corpse'

[sly turret]

oh definitely

[grizzled pilot]

i'd say its unlikely that it will feature any more than it already has

unless it somehow ties into the wall eyes

[sly turret]

Why do you think the Higashikata ground has special powers?

It's most likely bc of Johnny's corpse

[ocean mirage]

i guess johnny's the new corpse now

[sly turret]

thats my theory anyways

[ocean mirage]

haven't seen johnny appearing to anyone yet

[formal veldt]

i mean are there any stands in part 8 that can utilize the power of the corpse like d4c did

thats the only way i can really see the corpse doing much

[sly turret]

we don't know

[formal veldt]

unless like soft & wet can

[ocean mirage]

what about yasuho

[sly turret]

that could be a cool powerup for Gappy

[ocean mirage]

she has that information power

[sly turret]

what about it

[ocean mirage]

not sure, maybe it would do something to her similar to what the corpse did to lucy

[sly turret]

maybe? idk though I don't see why Yasuho would get the corpse

[formal veldt]

Speed King: Love Car?

[ocean mirage]

driving speed king?

[ocean mirage]

speed king is so flimsy, it'd be so easy to kill it, i think

[formal veldt]

yeah doesn't look very durable

[ocean mirage]

anyway how would someone kill it without touching it

[formal veldt]

hmm

[sly turret]

A lot of the part 8 stands kinda look flimsy

bc of how Araki made legit almost all of them robots with flimsy joints

[ocean mirage]

yeah, even killer queen looks less jacked

[sly turret]

yeah

I really wanna know why Araki is so fascinated with robots with part 8

[ocean mirage]

maybe because it's the age of technology

[violet coral]

Hidohiko "I don't want sci fi stories" Araki

[sly turret]

Even ur profile pic

the newest stand is kinda a generic robot except with cool armblades

[formal veldt]

i actually really like part 8's stand designs

[violet coral]

Me too, especially nut king call

[sly turret]

Yeah nut king call looks sick

too bad we see him once in a blue moon

[ocean mirage]

joshu is like the hermes of part 8

[sly turret]

Yeah I guess

[violet coral]

Meti: what if joshu infused the spin with his stand?

[sly turret]

What if Joshu took apart the fucking Earth

[formal veldt]

i mean you spin a screw

[kind owl]

@formal veldt, Your Stand Power is now level 2 !

[ocean mirage]

joshu takeds apart atoms

[formal veldt]

so

[sly turret]

and then he becomes the main villain with Nut King Call Over Heaven Ultimate Requiem Act 4

[violet coral]

Nut king call is a really good stand
Sucks that its the stand of the most hated character ever

[sly turret]

How dare people hate on God

[ocean mirage]

i like joshu, he has a lot of character

[violet coral]

Joshu makes me nut

[ocean mirage]

oh ok

nut king call act 2 when?

[formal veldt]

what power would it have

[sly turret]

It can unfuse people

[ocean mirage]

well it unscrews space

[sly turret]

what would that do

[formal veldt]

just like removes it from reality?

[sly turret]

so basically the hand

[formal veldt]

but bigger area of effect

[ocean mirage]

i don't even remember what tusk act 2 does

[formal veldt]

thats uhh...

[ocean mirage]

is it the moving hole thing

[formal veldt]

no thats 3 i think?

[sly turret]

Thats act 3

[minor ore]

joshu as evil AU koichi when

tusk act 3 lets johnny use the spinning holes as wormholes

act 2 is moving holes

[violet coral]

Act 1 is nail bullets
2 is moving
3 is moving inside the spin
4 is infinite

[ocean mirage]

oh yeah act 3 let him move between the hole

damn what if joshu uses the spin of the horse

if only gyro was alive 😦

[violet coral]

What if....joshu got a haircut?

[formal veldt]

couldn't he just detach his hair

[ocean mirage]

his hair is his power

[violet coral]

Imagine him going super saian
What would his hair look like then

[formal veldt]

bowl

[ocean mirage]

it's his hair now but upwards

so like a bowl yes

[plucky widget]

He’s like that one Greek dude

his hair is his power

[analog skiff]

What do y'all think of Brain Storm?

[sly turret]

I mean

its fine

[hazy crystal]

the brainstorm rock animal thingy was a mirror of the green day fight

[sly turret]

how

or wait I think I see what you mean

[hazy crystal]

first the stands. The rock animal burrows through the ground and becomes part of the ground, and the other Brain Storm just melts your cells.

[sly turret]

I see that now

[hazy crystal]

brain storm was also a doctor

[sly turret]

Wouldn't be surprised if thats a coincidence, but nice find

[minor ore]

yeah that was kinda obvious

[plucky widget]

that’s a stretch

purely coincidence

destroying blood cells isn’t the same as growing mold on your skin

[analog ether]

Tbh, Urban Guerilla looks more like Ghaccio than anything

[raven quail]

I mean, the way the two function together is similar too. The rock animal is just that, an animal, and id say that Secco is bordering on being an animal

[sly turret]

he even gets fed treats

[analog ether]

Ok but he kinda looking like Ghaccio tho, ngl

[sly turret]

and with his weird outfit on he kinda looks like Secco

[formal veldt]

i'd say it's a reference

[plucky widget]

I see it as a reference

his suit

but not as a whole mirror fight

[formal veldt]

yeah

[minor ore]

doremifasolati do is definitely a reference to oasis

[analog ether]

Y'know...

Do you guys think Damo, Yotsuyu and Aisho almost look like a weird version of the part 5 main 3?

[sly turret]

what do you mean main 3

[analog ether]

Giorno, Bruno & Mista

[sly turret]

explain?

[plucky widget]

I do not remember any main characters having a pesci neck

[analog ether]

Ok, Damo might be a bit of a stretch but. looking at the other 2 designs:

[plucky widget]

I see no relation other than hair

[sly turret]

I can kinda see it if I squint so hard my eyes hurt

[analog ether]

There also in gang too?

Am I crazy

[sly turret]

I think this is a bit of a stretch

[analog ether]

Probably

[plucky widget]

this is a very big stretch

like. Only similarity being long hair

[sly turret]

nobody from part 5 main gang had long hair

[minor ore]

abbachio

[sly turret]

oh

[minor ore]

also damo is just based on the guy from american hustle lol

no relation to pre sbrverse

[sly turret]

Yeah

[analog skiff]

Also Urban Guerrilla's habit of acting pretentious and talking mid fight is kind of like Ghiaccio

[ocean mirage]

part 8 has taught me so much so far, like how i shouldn't trust doctors

it also taught me that there's rock human out there and they all have stand

[sly turret]

It taught me that I will inevitably get cucked by a sailor man with 4 balls

[ocean mirage]

you have no chance against 4 balls sailor

[hoary sun]

I learned not to trust doctors way back in part 5 wym

[ocean mirage]

i still had trust back then

now it's gone

[hoary sun]

Ciocollata... no thx

[ocean mirage]

ciocolatta is a nice dude

[hoary sun]

[minor ore]

uhmmm

[fading cove]

remember the fan animation that had ciocollata in a bakery

cursed

[upper knoll]

Why does 10 y/o Yasuho look the same as 19 y/o 😔

[fading cove]

like why part 4 characters get closer to death than any other part

[minor ore]

if all rock humans have stands

what about the doggo

[pastel adder]

rock humans

[minor ore]

shhhhh

[pastel adder]

also wasn't it like 95% have stands?

[minor ore]

yoyoy

oh well

on an unrelated note, this is what the wiki says rn about the head doctor stand

[sly turret]

They should at least mention that it could be Tooru's

[minor ore]

the wiki mustnt just write something thats based on a theory

it is nowhere implied (or implied yet) that the stand could be tooru's

[upper knoll]

Can't you edit this then?

[minor ore]

im not an editor tbh

not for that wiki at least but thats beside the point

[burnt kite]

There is no evidence that it could be Tooru's, the wiki can't go off hunches

[minor ore]

tooru is probably a stand user based on the way he looks but that isnt implied anywhere either

[sly turret]

Yeah I guess, but the sun emblem connection makes me think Tooru

[minor ore]

the wiki can only write what is officially in the manga (usually)

or what araki said/wrote

[sly turret]

true

[minor ore]

the new chapter makes me think more that its fully the head doctors stand

[sly turret]

Also true

[minor ore]

extreme sensitivity and unlimited range

and lots of power

this is a hunch but id say that if that was toorus stand who just "granted" it to the head doctor it would be a tad too strong

[burnt kite]

If his stand actually activates upon mere intent to pursuit him, I have no idea how could they beat him

[sly turret]

its like bites the dust on crack

[minor ore]

It was confirmed in volume relase it's HD's i think

[sly turret]

which makes me think that the ability is not exactly as they think

[minor ore]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379742720903610368/611551022934130698/Tailpiece_85.png

...which leads it to the main villain mystery/invincible arc

[burnt kite]

Yeah, there has to be a loophole or something

[minor ore]

also, that

hm

if you bump into the doctor without trying to pursue him?

[sly turret]

if the head doctor is the main antagonist then they need to actually start giving him some character

[minor ore]

if you make the doctor pursue you and set a trap with e.g. speed king?

Maybe they get Daiya to erase their memories of doctor to trick the stand in some way

Who knows

[sly turret]

THATS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING

[minor ore]

Lmao

[burnt kite]

Probably the lecture he will give will provide some character, if we get to see it

[sly turret]

Im still in the boat that the main antagonist is either Jobin or Caato

[minor ore]

also remember the girl crushed between the gates?

She turned out to be fine lol

she was curious, didnt want to harm him

just wanted to take a look at him idk

Makes sense

Automatic stand w no control

gappy and others want to pursue and kill him

Kinda like rolling stones

its like chariot requiem

the more force against it, the stronger it fights back

[sly turret]

also this is just me but having the main antagonist's stand be automatic would be kinda underwhelming

[burnt kite]

Also we have the mystery on how he was there in the first place

[minor ore]

well he could just control it by himself i think

idk

[sly turret]

I hope so

[minor ore]

jojolion had a lot of automatic stands

[sly turret]

bc otherwise we won't be able to see a fight with those sick armblades

[minor ore]

about the theory with caato...

her stand is kinda revealed tbh

her deck of cards that can store things

[sly turret]

it hasn't been named yet though which is weird

[minor ore]

well

[sly turret]

I also kinda hope that the stand has a more humanoid physical form kinda like how in part 6 kiss mostly just did sticker stuff but still had a physical form

[minor ore]

a lot of stands havent been named

[burnt kite]

Did the chapter she was intrduced in have a song name like Satoru?

[minor ore]

if its unimportant enough, it wont have a name

[sly turret]

She was introduced at the end of the vitamin C arc

[minor ore]

oh caato isnt that mom

wait idk

im

confused

[sly turret]

wait who did you think Caato was

She was introduced at the end of the vitamin C arc when she got out of jail

[minor ore]

i havent read anything before ozone baby for quite some time

caato is the one with the deck of cards, right?

[sly turret]

yes

she hit Joshu with a fucking chair

[minor ore]

alright

yeah id say her stand is kinda unimportant

[sly turret]

then why was she even shown with one

[minor ore]

foreshadowing? family?

araki knows

[sly turret]

why was she even released from prison actually, she hasn't done anything

[minor ore]

her stand is kinda weak, its a heavily toned down D4C imo

i think her prison sentence was over

[sly turret]

I think theres more to it then we think, kinda like Jobin

[minor ore]

im not sure

[sly turret]

also I know the sentence was over, I mean from a writing perspective

theres no point in having her released if she wasn't gonna do anything, she hasn't done anything that couldn't have been done from jail

[minor ore]

oh

ill take a wild guess and say "its the details"

[sly turret]

in fact all she has done was show up in flashbacks since her reveal

[minor ore]

she'll probably come back later

[sly turret]

I hope so

I think she'll have something to do with Norisuke's death

[minor ore]

i reread a thing and she talked with jobin over the phone

[sly turret]

oh yeah

[minor ore]

in the manner of "anything for you my child"

[sly turret]

what does Araki have against the Higashikata girls

[minor ore]

?

[sly turret]

they all show up once and then leave for the most part

even their maid

[minor ore]

but some of them get their very own arc

antagonist arc, but its still an arc

[sly turret]

true

I hope we can see them do some stuff in this countdown thing going on rn

[minor ore]

walking heart perhaps

seen nothing since vitamin c

[hoary sun]

Walking heart NEEDS more screen time cause it’s such a cool combat stand

[sly turret]

same with king bed

[hoary sun]

California king bed isn’t much of a combat stand

[sly turret]

I know, I just mean the more screen time bit

[vital lodge]

are there engilsh scans for the chapters not in tankobon

and where can i find them

[sly turret]

yes

mangadex

[minor ore]

i also just found this

[vital lodge]

oh and another question

[minor ore]

why isnt this shown in the actual stand description?

[vital lodge]

how soon do they come out after Ultra Jump

[sly turret]

who the hell knows

also they come out the same day I think

[vital lodge]

that is the fucking fast

[sly turret]

I don't know for sure though, typically its the 19th of each month

[pastel adder]

almost always on the 18th or 19th of each month

last 2 have been on the 18th which is early

[vital lodge]

noice

[fallen trellis]

I want to see Walking Heart and Awaking 3 more

If Walking Heart can extend other parts of the body and not just the heels, then we could potentially see 「Walking Finger」

[fading cove]

walKING heart and awaKING 3

[sly turret]

yes we know

all of them have king in the name

[sleek mason]

Wait huh, they do

[sly turret]

you never realized that?

[fading cove]

kaato has to be queen

i didnt realize walking heart

because its not obvious

but the other ones are

but why wouldnt they tell us the stand name

[sly turret]

Thats what I was saying earlier

Also Queen would make a lot of sense since it opposes the king names, but I think it should be something else

its too similar to killer queen

Maybe another queen song?

[fading cove]

what king/queen name does queen have

[sly turret]

?

[fading cove]

theres not a lot of options

[sly turret]

No I mean just another queen song

not necessarily one with queen in the name

[fading cove]

fight from the inside?

if objects within her cards can interact

[sly turret]

how about fat bottomed girls

bc she thick

or more serious answer of we will rock you

[fading cove]

araki most time puts some meaning into the song name

[sly turret]

bc ya know

rock humans

[fading cove]

fight from the inside is much better

if they can interact

inside the cards

granted i dont know any of the backstory be hide these songs and i dont have the full collection on my pc

i always think of the crazy diamond example as to the meaning araki puts into the stand names

[sly turret]

We won't really be able to predict what it will be rn though

[fading cove]

we'll be seeing a lot more of her now

[sly turret]

Bc we hardly know anything about Caato aside from that she want's to take back control of her life and the Higashikata house

Also yeah

I think she's directly involved in the death of Norisuke

[fading cove]

people have said the women tracking down johnny looked like her

a younger version for sure

[sly turret]

Did you just watch the Meti video

[fading cove]

if she was a rock human the it would make sense

no

i watched a different video

[sly turret]

oh

[fading cove]

one authors note said something about them likening to be in control

[sly turret]

who?

[fading cove]

it was in one of the chapters

like at the beginning

[sly turret]

no I mean who is "them"

you mean Caato?

[fading cove]

rock humans in general

might have been the panel explaining them

[sly turret]

If you remember what chapter that was in then send it in bc I don't

[fading cove]

i just googled it and hope it comes up

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b2/fb/77/b2fb774d038bb0999a28f14aa677278a.png

i found it

[sly turret]

theres nothing about control there though

[fading cove]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

maybe another one

[sly turret]

theres a lot of rock human explanations so I wouldn't be surprised

[fading cove]

did valentine have kids?

[sly turret]

idk

[fading cove]

this is a stupid theory

but

he's got the hair style

[sly turret]

I think thats a bit of a stretch

I've seen the theory before

[fading cove]

all of this is a strech

[sly turret]

I think the idea that Caato's maiden name is Valentine is definitely possible, but her being that agent seems dumb

Araki has never been THAT subtle

[fading cove]

think of giorno meeting his gay gang

[sly turret]

what about it

[fading cove]

none of that was subtle

[sly turret]

exactly

[fading cove]

but then gyro had some more subtle moments

[sly turret]

true

[fading cove]

❤

[hoary sun]

I’d like to point out that gyro and gappy both made up weird repetitive songs about food

[sly turret]

when did Gappy do that

[hoary sun]

French fries

[west zealot]

And fried chicken

[sly turret]

oh yeah

[sleek mason]

Josefumi secret zeppeli love child obviously

[hoary sun]

I want it

Badly

[fading cove]

they did disappear at then end of steel ball run

[hoary sun]

they moved to an unknown country.

[kind owl]

@hoary sun, Your Stand Power is now level 16 !

[hoary sun]

oh hell yeah, achtung baby

[forest rock]

Where can I read JoJolion?

After I finish the color scans

[sly turret]

https://mangadex.org/title/4880/jojo-s-bizarre-adventure-part-8-jojolion

This gets updated same day as Japan

[forest rock]

Thank you father

[sly turret]

No problem son

[late nexus]

Hey guys this is the anime stand names

Moist and Squishy

Fast Boi

Parkey Park

I am a Solid

Peanut king shoute

Last Angeles Mattress

Master Zero

[sly turret]

parkey park

[late nexus]

Moving Heart

Puppy style!

[sly turret]

Thin Space Rock Prince

Healthy D

Funny Funny Funny

[late nexus]

Lol Healthy D

[supple totem]

Smarts storm

[minor ore]

is soft and wet just gonna stay soft and wet

like if they ever animate it and it gets dubbed

[formal veldt]

fast monarch

[delicate cedar]

Once In A Lifetime by Talking Heads should be part 8's ED, the lyrics fit together too perfectly and it fits tonally with part 8 brilliantly

[formal veldt]

wait can joshu put things together too or just take things apart

[cyan viper]

i wonder how dp will deal with the nude scenes xd

[grizzled pilot]

they will probably animate them

[minor ore]

they'll animate them but probably just add clothes

theres only like one nudity scene in jjl and its not that important

[stark fossil]

Joshu can put things together as well

[minor ore]

joshu can fix ur heart

[stark fossil]

He can't fix the demons in my soul uwu

[minor ore]

the only scene that’ll be kinda eh to animate is legit the girl in the bathtub at kiras lol

whoever was mentioning it earlier

[stark fossil]

Surely if it's a seinen you can draw what you like

Well they asked the lead animator which Part he is most excited to animate and he said Part 8