or california king bed
#jojolion
sly turret
minor ore
yeah I don't think we're getting any more king nothing
california king bed had its very own arc tho
plucky widget
we definitely are getting more king nothing
sly turret
But Norisuke died
minor ore
i wish to think that we are getting more king nothing
not yet
he dies in 3 days
but i like how araki makes the higashikata family not focused around their stands
but i have to ask, for what purpose would king nothing be used for?
sly turret
I do hope we get more NKC and Walking Heart though
minor ore
walking heart is gonna be clutch in the final battle calling it rn
sly turret
I just hope it's revealed that she can extend more then just her high heels, bc if not then it's kinda dumb
plucky widget
that’s what I like
that it’s not all their stands
SDC had a lot of that
so did VA
other parts not so much
sly turret
Also anybody else think Nut King Call should have been Annasui's stand in part 6
sly turret
its been on my mind for a while and it just makes too much sense
plucky widget
diver down is badass too so I’m satisfied with it
inner gust
nut king call was gonna be josukes
kind owlBOT
@inner gust, Your Stand Power is now level 22 !
inner gust
but araki felt it was too limited
sly turret
Yeah I know
plucky widget
it’s such a cool stand
sly turret
Well regardless, I just wanna see at least one more fight with the other Higashikata kids aside from Jobin
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if it doesn’t happen by the end of the part I will eat my shoe
sly turret
especially with how jealous Joshu is of Josuke, imagine him meeting Yasuho's ex
inner gust
Based Joshu killing the main villain
inner gust
Joshu and Josuke vs tooru
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3 way fight would be good too
inner gust
seeing them in a actual serious fight would be based
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this is the first time araki has ever really done a love triangle
sly turret
The real main fight is Araki vs deciding on a main antagonist
inner gust
I know joshu is super hateable due to being who he is
but hes one of the more endearing characters this part
super memorable
sly turret
yeah
inner gust
rich hearth
He’s a shitty character lore wise but he’s a fucking great character in reality.
sly turret
kind owlBOT
@sly turret, Your Stand Power is now level 14 !
inner gust
Joshu isnt the jobro lmao
inner gust
Its obviously Rai
plucky widget
Both avdol and polnareff
sly turret
Jobro is Yasuho imo
inner gust
but joshu would have been funnier
sly turret
If Yasuho was a boy everyone would call her the main jobro
inner gust
Yasuho is def more of a love interest i'd say then best buddy
sly turret
I'd say shes kinda both
inner gust
yeah but you cant fuck your jobro
sly turret
Cmon dude
inner gust
josuke and oku are the soul exception
rich hearth
Remember when Joshu wanted to fuck in a bathroom 
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the only parts with jobros are really 1,2, 4, 7 and 8. The other parts have too big of a cast
sly turret
I am very confused
plucky widget
3 5 and 6 don’t have jobros
inner gust
I just think its firmly Rai. IMO
sly turret
The real jobro was Kira
inner gust
5 is mista probs. Bruno is more of the mentor
plucky widget
William, Caesar, Oku, Gyro, and Rai
inner gust
Giorno and mista fight a lot together
plucky widget
yea I would definitely call it mista actually
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but it’s not like giorno was specifically closer to mista than other users
sly turret
yeah
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so he isn’t really a “bro”
inner gust
I mean maybe? They are all close but he made mista his right hand man at the end
and routienly worked with him
minor ore
brooo yasuho is the bro
rich hearth
Do Gio and Bruno even fight together? All I can think off is the final battle and B.I.G introduction in where they were fighting the same enemy 
sly turret
YES
minor ore
the bro is the main supporting character
minor ore
you can't have the main supporting character show up at the 70th chapter
sly turret
johos can be jobros
inner gust
I'd say kakiyon is the jo bro of jotaro
inner gust
Yeah its the weakest
plucky widget
kakoyin is gone for most of jotaros fights
he only really works with him in wheel of fortune
polar whale
Awww
inner gust
Polneraff and avdol feel more like jo bros lol
kind owlBOT
@polar whale, Your Stand Power is now level 4 !
sly turret
@minor ore thats my issue with rai being a jobro
minor ore
pol is like a second main character
sly turret
he shows up way too late
rich hearth
We focus on Pol a fuck ton in SC so it wouldn’t be wrong to assume he is the actual Jobro
inner gust
Rai is pretty important so far
polar whale
Pol is cute
inner gust
idk they clearly have a close relationship.
minor ore
isn't yasuho also important
inner gust
not in a friendly way sure
polar whale
Gappy is cute
sly turret
Mamezuku is just there for the plant and nothing else
inner gust
yeah but I really wouldn't consider he a jo bro. I don't see her as josukes full on partner in crime
minor ore
yeah
sly turret
yasuho is there to actually be Gappy's friend and support
rich hearth
Joshu steals drug money so Giornos gonna give him a high five
inner gust
I also feel like you can kinda tell who the jo bro is by who araki draws them win in art books
mista is with giornoa lot together
inner gust
of course
rich hearth
inner gust
I see them as
1-Speed wagon
2-Cesar
3-Kakiyon I guess?
4-Okuyasu
5-Mista with an argument for Bruno but I see him more as a mentor figure like Zeppeli, Jotaro in part 4 or Lisa Lisa
6-Hermes even though she leaves for a period of time. Weather report/Anusai I feel are more like love interests
7-Obviously Gyro, even more obvious then Okuyasu lol
8-Rai with and argument for Yashou even though I see her more like weather report/Anusai
minor ore
would genderbent joshu fit into jojolion better than the male one?
inner gust
Would she be obsessed with josuke or yashou?
rich hearth
“I saw you steal money from my pants in the laundry so fuck you but you can keep it since your cute” -Girl Joshu
inner gust
Like I think kakiyon was supposed to be jotaros brojo cause of them being the same age and coming from the same place
but kakiyon doesn't get super close with him
idk part 3's crew is pretty tight
minor ore
no one really gets close with jotaro
rich hearth
You can consider all of them bros tbh. They all interact with each other a lot and they all get their moments
minor ore
except joseph kinda but he isn't a bro
inner gust
Maybe even that tbh
minor ore
kakyoin gets closest kinda
plucky widget
the idea of a jo bro is very forced
inner gust
yeah i'd say so
minor ore
i mean its still not really close
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not all parts have one
minor ore
but its the closest
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parts with big casts dont have them
inner gust
Only part 3 really lacks one i'd say
minor ore
and yeah
inner gust
maybe part 5 but I still feel its mista
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giorno isnt closer to mista than he is for any other characters
minor ore
otherwise, hes kinda equal to the gang
inner gust
He has the most emotional moments with mista and alot of character defining stuff I say with him
minor ore
"The problem with Rai is that he shows too late to be a jobro" But people don't seem to have that problem with HD being the main villain
plucky widget
hd?
kind owlBOT
@plucky widget, Your Stand Power is now level 3 !
minor ore
head doctor
inner gust
true
minor ore
that's gonna be stupid
inner gust
Its tooru
sly turret
HD main villain would be stupid bc of how late it is
inner gust
@minor ore you want it to be close tho
inner gust
I feel like part 8's main baddie is tooru
sly turret
ehhhh
inner gust
like I just have that feeling
sly turret
@minor ore yes we have
inner gust
It might be the stand attacking them rn
minor ore
But if there needs to be one i'd say it's Jobin
anyway, araki literally addad a gay joke to mista and giorno
He has what everyone wants
inner gust
its design kinda reflects tooru's look
minor ore
jobin is perfect
inner gust
Jobin is the diego
minor ore
@inner gust i thought so too, but remember the scene where the girl got kknda crushed between the gates?
sly turret
I could see Jobin being main antagonist if he gets a power up
plucky widget
jobin is not a villain
minor ore
the head doctor was there too
plucky widget
literally all he is doing is specifically protecting the higashikatas
heavy grove
plucky widget
he hasnt done anything villanous
sly turret
He murdered two people @plucky widget
If he murders more innocent people then I see it happening
We just have to wait and see
plucky widget
i
minor ore
he murdered a stand user who wanted to kill him and took the rokakaka
plucky widget
how the hell was ojirou innocent
minor ore
okay that is fine
And knocked out Yasuho
I feel like we aren't getting a main villain
minor ore
but his girlfriend? jobin didnt know anything about her
minor ore
except that they worked together idk
sly turret
He killed Ojirou's gf though
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ojirou was a bad person
minor ore
ojiro was a good person smh
plucky widget
he didnt know that ojirous gf was going to die
inner gust
Based surfer
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that was purely because of the spread of the stand he didnt wish to do that
sly turret
No it wasn't
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everything hes done has just been to protect the higashkatas
sly turret
reread the chapter
minor ore
he had a lot of negative character development
inner gust
yeah no he killed her lol
plucky widget
oh
sly turret
He literally talked to her on the phone about killing her
inner gust
he also knew she was involved
plucky widget
well that doesnt make him the main villain
minor ore
he absolutely killed her
inner gust
I agree
minor ore
intentionally
plucky widget
murder doesnt make you the main villain
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he isnt evil
inner gust
or a nero role
minor ore
diego wasnt really evil
plucky widget
hes working to protect the higashikatas
inner gust
I think anti villain is fine
sly turret
We don't need an evil main antagonist
inner gust
hes a bad person though
minor ore
he is a major antagonist
minor ore
as the wiki would put it
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almost every main character has murdered someone
inner gust
or try to get him killed
sly turret
Look at L from Death Note, main antagonists can be good or morally gray
minor ore
he only knocked her out using his stand
plucky widget
he hasnt done anything "evil" yet
inner gust
exactly
minor ore
recall blue hawaii arc
sly turret
He orphaned a child and threatened to kill the child
minor ore
caato would be the perfect main villain
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who, the whole incident when he was a kid?
sly turret
No, Ojirou's gf's kid
inner gust
Hes done bad shit but isnt full on evil
minor ore
he made the rock human without any limbs (yes i know that he kinda has limbs but you know what i mean) target josuke
kind owlBOT
@minor ore, Your Stand Power is now level 13 !
inner gust
@sly turret don't try to kill him and his son lol
plucky widget
he wont be the main villain
inner gust
The blue hawaii thing is pretty bad
plucky widget
if anything hes helping the whole higashikata family as a whole
diego was against johnny and gyro
minor ore
he was fine with blue hawaiis stand user killing josuke
inner gust
but he didn't mean for it to break out
yeah hes a bad guy but not like straight up evil know what I mean?
sly turret
yeah I know what you mean, but I still think it COULD work
inner gust
Funny valentine would do more evil shit than tooru
sly turret
We just need to see more of it
minor ore
hes a diego-ish bad guy
inner gust
yup
sly turret
I can see that
inner gust
diego is more cruel
sly turret
Him being the Diego of the part
minor ore
caato is main villain discussion over.
sly turret
shut mouth
inner gust
tru
minor ore
you said the diego thing before, i like that tbh
sly turret
If Caato is main villain then where has she been the past like 40 chapters
minor ore
cAaTo Is MaIn ViLLaIn
inner gust
Welllllllllllllllllll
inner gust
They tried to kill his child
minor ore
unless she gets an upgrade to her stand, its on the level of schott key
hazy crystal
he'll kill you if you get in his way though
plucky widget
trying to protect tsurigi
hazy crystal
not evil but definitely not good
plucky widget
thats what happens a lot
inner gust
i think there was a throw away line about the blue hawaii thing
minor ore
well his stand is kinda cruel for burning
inner gust
where he was like
minor ore
but stands reflect their users so idk
sly turret
Speed King is basically messy Killer Queen
inner gust
"Fuck didnt mean to infect all those people god damn it"
plucky widget
and are we sure that jobin specifically asked to kill josuke?
sly turret
no he didn't
hazy crystal
He said he didn't care what happened to him
sly turret
he just said he didn't care if he died or not
minor ore
he didnt ask
inner gust
He just wanted him stopped basicly
hazy crystal
I still think Jobin is the main villain
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again
thats just going back to protecting him and tsurigi
none of this is "evil" its out of "protection" in a cruel way
plucky widget
holy shit no hes NOT
inner gust
yeah
sly turret
Jobin fits the role of diego
minor ore
recall diego
sly turret
as in a rival to the MC
inner gust
hes done some awful shit lol
plucky widget
diego directly works for the main villain and directly works against johnny and gyro
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how
inner gust
Jobin worked for the rock people
sly turret
yeah and Jobin worked for the rock people
minor ore
he used to work
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jobin didnt "murder" for the rock people
inner gust
and betrayed them
plucky widget
yea.
minor ore
he had exactly one arc for it
plucky widget
that was at
entirely different parts of the story
jobin betrayed them in a flashback
well with all the time skips around we dont even really know what counts or not
hazy crystal
the only issue I have with that is how long JoJolion has been going on for, because he is very similar to Diego's character
inner gust
Jobin was working with and assisting killers
minor ore
yasuho and tsurugi also know that he worked with the rock humans
plucky widget
he worked for the rock humans to make money to support his family and thats that
minor ore
are you sure
inner gust
he gave them information and got people killed hahahaha
plucky widget
he is not actively working against the main cast
sly turret
@plucky widget you said the time jumps were confusing https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kRiftzcqlsaYaQKoGLChFx8DX-ZX23oWMZU3uqWE0YE/edit
plucky widget
yea
minor ore
the rock humans want the rokakak too
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oh tanks
minor ore
but eh
inner gust
Well he is to a extent.
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but he wants to save his child
inner gust
atleast against josuke
minor ore
exactly
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while diego is against the main cast
minor ore
the rock humans want to make money off the branch
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directly working for the villain
inner gust
but he does this through corrupt ways
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jobin is not against the main cast
minor ore
jobin is not against the main cast because well
inner gust
His role is simular to diego but hes not diego
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jobin has separate motivations from the main cast that SOMETIMES make them cross eachother
minor ore
what year does jojolion play in?
inner gust
2011ish
minor ore
exactly
hazy crystal
I have a hard time thinking a main villain is going to appear this many chapters in.
plucky widget
he isnt like diego
sly turret
Its like Kira wanting to live a peaceful life, normal healthy goal, shitty execution
minor ore
and unlike sbr, its in the modern
inner gust
hes also a side antagonist to the goals of the protags
hazy crystal
even in steel ball run or diamond is unbreakable the main villain appeared nearly halfway through the story in some way
hazy crystal
and we were kept up to date on the mail villain
minor ore
yes
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thats a decision josuke has to make with jobin
inner gust
Both have a right to life
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they both are trying to protect the people they love
inner gust
thats gonna be the drama
hazy crystal
unless we are only half way through JJL and are only NOW going to find the main villain, I can't see that being possible
minor ore
josuke will fight for holly, jobin will fight for tsurigu
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jobin isn't a villain and he hardly fights as one
diego was doing it for money and power
minor ore
in the end they are just gonna fuse lmao
inner gust
I mean I consider doppio and Diavolo the same character cause they are but
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jobin is doing it to protect his son
inner gust
diavolo himself didnt appear till exactly the end
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there are plenty of manga and stories that reveal the main antagonist late iin the stories
like steins gate
inner gust
yeah I agree
sly turret
Yeah but he still did shit throughout like the fight with Bruno
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just because it hasnt happened before doesnt mean it wont
inner gust
I dont think jobin is the main baddy
hazy crystal
but we knew who the main villain was, the boss
plucky widget
diavolo is a bad example
the professor fro msteins gate
though
is a better one
minor ore
diavolo was clear to be the main villain
hazy crystal
so even if we didn't know it was Diavolo, we knew the boss was the antagonist from almost the beginning when Bruno joined
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because we get far in the story, we see the conflict, the issues, and we find out that he is the root of it far later
minor ore
the villain development was reversed for him
plucky widget
the same thing could easily hapen with the whole rock people
idk if anyone here has seen stiens gate but if you have you know what im talking about
minor ore
in otherparts except DiU, the main villain was know pretty early, but we didnt know much about his stand
for diavolo, the reverse was true, we saw his stand and it was his personification kinda
sly turret
Yeah but it wasn't established super early on that the boss of the rock humans is the main villain, unlike Diavolo
minor ore
you could have thought of it, but it was never mentioned
sly turret
I guess
inner gust
I really do think tooru is gonna be the main bad guy
for some reason I just feel that
sly turret
I could see that, but I kinda think he's gonna fill the role of Vanilla Ice
hazy crystal
I don't believe tooru is, afroboy only appeared recently and was forgotten about
he's at most a side antagonist
minor ore
Stardust Crusaders: It was dio from the very beginning
DiU: was kinda like two small seasons tbh, with rhcp and kq being the respective main antagonists
Vento Aureo: d r u g b a d, b o s s b a d
Stone Ocean: it was clear soon enough
SBR: the president was directly implied
JojoLion: ????
analog ether
He was in last months chapter, I don't see how he was forgetton about
inner gust
but its just longer cause monthly
hazy crystal
I mean in a meta way, most main villains are present throughout the comic
tooru was shown a few times, he can't be the main baddie this late on
analog ether
I agree. I don't really see how it would be anyone other than Jobin at this point
hazy crystal
that's true, but Araki has a way of writing
sly turret
With how good JoJolion has been so far, I trust that Araki didn't just forget how to write a good antagonist
inner gust
maybe. but as spoken about before Joubins role doesnt fit a big baddie
minor ore
could tooru be what Vanilla Ice was to Dio?
inner gust
maybe?
sly turret
I said that earlier
minor ore
didnt see that
analog ether
Except he's been, y'know, one of the biggest catalysts for main plot things happening throughout the entire part
inner gust
how so?
hazy crystal
the only idea I have for a main villain would be the head doctor due to how big his role is, being the user of the rokakaka fruits at the hospital holly is in, yet they're already fighting him and his power doesn't seem that good as a final fight
inner gust
the head doctor has cause all the main last fights
jobin was involved with the rock gang but they still acted on their own
sly turret
HD is like 90% a red herring
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jobin is only the “cataclyst” because he wants to protect Tsurugi while the main gang what’s to help holly
*wants
minor ore
the head doctor's ability has been only figured out in parts i think
sly turret
I think they have the ability wrong
minor ore
or that
plucky widget
they both are against the rock people but they only conflict at certain times
jobin is not working directly against the main cast like all other villains have
hazy crystal
to me it's either Jobin or Head Doctor, because the HD is a big center piece to the whole hospital/rokakaka/rockhuman stuff, or Jobin for being there throughout the story
minor ore
has a new chapter been released already?
inner gust
i feel like tooru and this stand have some simular design aspects
minor ore
but what about the scene at the gate?
inner gust
look at his sun logo and his tands eyes
sly turret
Yeah ch 89 a few days ago
inner gust
Yeah thats a possibility @minor ore
minor ore
only the head doctor was there
minor ore
unless he can
sly turret
I think the head doctor is fake
minor ore
"apply" the stand to someone
inner gust
Same
minor ore
like bites the dust
sly turret
Thats all
inner gust
It can also hit at long range
and the stand works by the intention of chasing the doctor
or the idea of him atleast
plucky widget
in certain scenarios jobin has directly helped the main cast
kind owlBOT
@plucky widget, Your Stand Power is now level 4 !
sly turret
I think they got the ability wrong like I said
analog ether
Jobin Has:
- Was dealing with the main badguy group throughout the earlier section of the part
- Has been constantly plotting on his own against the wishes of his father
- Has important relationships with all the most important Higashikata family members (Tsurugi & Norisuke)
- Has been constantly trying to thwart Josuke for the sake of his own goals
- Thematically has a bunch of differences to Josuke (chose the robot instead of the bear, has rock human design, is a man of the land while Josuke is a man of the sea etc.)
- Has the most defined and ambitous goals of any other non-josuke character
- Has had the most character development out of any character not named Josuke
- There are literally no better candidates right now
plucky widget
jobin has NOT
analog ether
Wasn't he? 
inner gust
:O
plucky widget
-> gone directly out of his way to be against the main group
hazy crystal
I'd say he has yeah.
plucky widget
- have directly conflicting goals with the group
hazy crystal
They are both after the rokakaka
analog ether
Neither have the Rock Humans technically
The protagonists were against THEM, and the Rock Humans were just defending themselves
plucky widget
and jobin is NOT starkly different from josuke
hazy crystal
so they both have conflicting goals
sly turret
The main villain is the sailor guy with dark blue moon
analog ether
hurb
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they both have the wishes in the end to protect those they love
minor ore
I like the xforts theory that head doctor is just an illusion created by the stand and when you chase it it attacks you
But who knows
analog ether
And that's why they'll fight
I see all your saying as strengthening of the arguement
plucky widget
but does that make him a “villain”?
analog ether
No
But it does make a main antagonist
minor ore
Rock humans are just victims of SOCIETY.
plucky widget
who’s to say jobin and josuke won’t work together? What’s stopping that?
hazy crystal
They both need the rokakaka for different reasons
sly turret
A main antagonist doesn't have to be a comically evil villain
minor ore
Because both of them want the fruit for themselves
hazy crystal
One needs it for his son, another needs it for his mother
plucky widget
but if it comes to it against a larger enemy who wants the fruit to be gone from both
who says they won’t fight each other
hazy crystal
then fuck me dude
plucky widget
*fighthim isn’t he end
analog ether
They can't work together that's the point
What do you think is happening in the story right now?
plucky widget
we can’t determine anything right now
minor ore
That's why i say it'll be a free for all
analog ether
Jobin is keeping the fruit for him and Tsurugi
hazy crystal
araki has story beats, he doesn't stray from them
plucky widget
a lot of jojo is very unpredictable
hazy crystal
I don't believe he'd be the type of person to pull something without some foreshadowing
plucky widget
could you have predicted Versace turning on pucci?
minor ore
"Create lllusions
the ambushing stand is able to create an illusion of a walking person and maintain it over a longer period of time. The Illusion can be also seen by non-stand users, and can trigger technical devices like automatic doors.
Ambushing attack
When someone decides to follow or chase the created Illusion, the ambushing stands second ability activates. The Stand creates or draws obstacles into the path of those people, which are very difficult to avoid. Should the people who chase the illusion bump into the obstacles, through some unknown way, they get damage severely in the body area which touched the obstacle."
hazy crystal
yes actually
minor ore
yeah idk
sly turret
hazy crystal
throughout versace's fuckin beginning pages he was resenting pucci
minor ore
if it were toorus stand, this is what i would write in the wiki
sly turret
Main villain right here
analog ether
They make it real obvious that Versace is going to turn on Pucci the moment he starts argueing with Pucci
plucky widget
we haven’t gotten far enough into the story of the hospital
analog ether
Also he's Dio's son
hazy crystal
versace had like three chapters when he was first introduced, and literally in those chapters he starts to argue and disagree with pucci
plucky widget
we can’t determine anything
minor ore
exactly
analog ether
Like, Part 1 style Dio too
hazy crystal
Araki has foreshadowing and doesn't pull shit to pull it
minor ore
just bumping into things when chasing seems... off
it seems not powerful enough to be a sole ability
inner gust
There still are alot of unanswered questions
sly turret
I think the stand is erasing space between objects like the hand
hazy crystal
like weather report gaining his memories and going haywire, that was all planned from the birthmark appearing on him when Pucci fused with green baby, how he didn't have his memories, etc etc
it was all led up to
analog ether
That doesn't explain how Rain kills people
sly turret
True
minor ore
rain
inner gust
I think it might manipulate fate for the worst possible outcome for 2 objects colliding
if that makes sense
minor ore
if they chased the head doctor in the rain, they would kinda die because idk
inner gust
and he can force them to colide
minor ore
theyd be bumping into raindrops
inner gust
that make sense?
inner gust
ya we have only seen it twice
analog ether
It's not so much bumping into the rain, it's that the rain projects towards them at velocites far stronger than normal rain
minor ore
we are already over the schott keys
inner gust
oh and main villain stands are always overly complicated
rich hearth
The rain would turn into hail and belt then to death 
sly turret
We're just gonna have to put our faith in Araki
analog ether
Killer Queen wasn't overly complicated
minor ore
LPC, remember the guy whose neck snapped?
sly turret
No but bites the dust was
inner gust
bites za dusto
minor ore
im sure that was the work of the head doctor stand
inner gust
to a extent
analog ether
It was
hazy crystal
killer queen has a fucking ridiculous amount of powers, holy hell
minor ore
his 2 other ones were e x t e n s i o n s
minor ore
yeah
inner gust
yup
I think that is how the stand works
or there are arts josuke and rai dont understand
parts*
inner gust
hand is broken so sorry for misspelling
minor ore
a bit like diver down
inner gust
yea
inner gust
its gonna have a deeper explination
Dio's stand is the simplist but even then stopping time was hidden for a while and how it works was in detail
minor ore
The stand already got explained
and stopping time is op
It's like the magnet lady in part 3 but on a bigger scale
kakyoin had to die to found out dios ability
hmmmmm
inner gust
maybe
I do think its more complex than that
we know the basics of it
or so we think
minor ore
"rai, go die and find out his ability"
inner gust
"Rai I want pussy plz go kill main baddy"
minor ore
Rai is unironically the best candidate to send into danger
He can heal himself
he cant heal himself
more like
inner gust
he can kinda just
minor ore
he avoids damage
inner gust
when he lost his fingers his response was funny
@minor ore getting pressured doesnt cut you up
minor ore
jotaro cant kill the fool because it just can turn into sand
minor ore
giorno couldnt kill babyface's substand because of the same reason
Didn't he get his fingers cut off?
minor ore
not really
inner gust
I mean
inner gust
Doggy style is legit good
sly turret
He has a chode now
inner gust
its pretty verstile
inner gust
I mean in a sense yes
minor ore
maybe hes a descendant from hot pants and got her post-mortal stand
minor ore
but yeah
inner gust
hes losing something but gaining back a more important part
minor ore
equivalent exchange motive
Hot pants also had that mass transferring thing that got ignored
inner gust
cream starter just became more OP as it went on
stands can evolve lads
remember
DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL
minor ore
butthatsnothowitexactlyworks
inner gust
yesitisstfu
inner gust
Maybe
minor ore
If doggy style really can't heal itself then that totally ruins the stand tbh
At least for me
minor ore
Because the strings it makes are kinda flimsy, if he uses it he's always in danger of cutting off an entire limb
lets say he has to go up against za hando
minor ore
and AU okuyasu is really out for blood and erases parts of his body
inner gust
and literally crush a human body
minor ore
He cut them with a butter knife
he couldnt just heal them back
he probably can change their durability
of the strings
inner gust
idk I dont mind development potental being a thing
josuke getting better at fixing things sounds fine
BUT
sometimes it is bullshit I agree
minor ore
Stand stats got canned anyway
inner gust
kinda
sly turret
Remember plunder
inner gust
its in the 2nd stand book
minor ore
Plunder is still a thing but he never uses it anymore
inner gust
he used it to save yashuo
minor ore
well you can kinda reconstruct blue hawaii's stands
Like how giorno never uses his reflection
inner gust
and the cement thing
minor ore
Nah
sly turret
When
minor ore
What?
inner gust
but couldnt do it on himself
inner gust
lel
inner gust
no brain storm
minor ore
He probably took away the actual virus itself
inner gust
doctor wu too
sly turret
Thats not plunder, that's just putting an object in a bubble
sly turret
Plunder was stealing attributes
minor ore
he extracted the viruses and whatnot
sly turret
Like friction
inner gust
he stole hair dude
minor ore
^^
sly turret
He also stole sight
sly turret
He can use it again though
inner gust
ye
but araki doesnt like to repeat uses of stands powers
cause it would be boring
inb4 BUT JOTARO STILL PUNCHES
sly turret
josuke in part 4 uses his stand in the same way the whole part
inner gust
He builds off it
sure basic stuff like healing is reused
but actual creative uses he doesnt tend to repeat often
sly turret
yeah, but Gappy hasn't used plunder to take an attribute from something since ojirou
sly turret
like imagine if he took friction beneath the doctor as he was running and made him trip
inner gust
so having him steal friction again would be whatever cause he already used it
My favorite use of his is when he stole air out of I am a rock and sunk that mofo
sly turret
I just wish he used it for more then just picking up objects now
inner gust
But he still has done dope shit with it
sly turret
yeah, I just miss the more creative uses of it
sly turret
He can still do creative shit with it though
sly turret
yeah
inner gust
I get what ya mean though. Him shooting objects as a form of kiras power is cool too
but its not as dope as plunder
which he just uses to steal virus's and cement
like sure those are specific parts?
but still
supple totem
He stole a virus?
sly turret
Brainstorm
inner gust
yeah
cyan viper
if the Araki formula for main villans was time based, i think for part 7 and onwards he will use space-bending abilities, like Valentine using alternate universes, the old guy will maybe use teleportation or something
sly turret
yeah I think most people have realized that
I really hope the head doctor isn't the main villain
cyan viper
alright,its something i just thought of
sly turret
he didn't go to alternate timelines, he went to alternate universes
cyan viper
yea
inner gust
its all connected through gravity though right?
sly turret
I guess
inner gust
Also araki said space and time
which I think funny V fits into that
idk some ability that fucks with a reality in a manner
love train does that too
cyan viper
also, i like that in these parts, Araki uses at least one main-villan stand, with a couple of differences, so assuming that, maybe next part we get kc or something
cyan viper
yeah
minor ore
alternate timeline and alternate universe
is same thing
No
Alternate timeline means two universes that divulged after a critical desicion
For example, a universe where nazis won ww2 is an alternate timeline while a universe where hitler was never born is an alternate universe
minor ore
Alternate timeline where hitler's mom was stabbed in stomach before giving birth to him
it's same
No
Alright explain to me how SBR is an alternate timeline of phantom blood?
All i'm saying that those 2 are same thing
Every alternate timeline is an alternate universe, but not every alternate universe is an alternate timeline
They're only the same thing in a few cases
Alternate timeline where joshu was never born
That's the evil timeline
sly turret
Thats the darkest timeline
minor ore
Saluting her country like a true patriot, God bless.
rain zephyr
Alternate timeline where hitler is succesfull as an artist
minor ore
Nazis still happen but with slightly better swastika drawings
hybrid pawn
minor ore
God this is absolutely horrifying
A sight for sore eyes
Imagine seeing this animated
Probably gonna have it toned down
Like the green day fight in the manga was more graphic
Yes but this is seinen
So there's no need for censor
minor ore
love part 8 so far
crisp cove
And people call Gappy gay smh
narrow grail
how~
crisp cove
Because his Stand is called Soft and Wet and makes bubbles
sly turret
Yeah but Caesar does that too
And Ceasar is one the manliest goddamn people I've ever seen
hushed hemlock
Caesar unironically seduces women
I feel like he's still straight in the modern day
narrow grail
i mean part 8 has obvious romance between josuke and yasuho
minor ore
gappy is the straightest jojo so far aside from jonathan
viscid mountain
What if the stuff that was around magenta magenta eventually break off because of so many years under water freeing him and he just appeared on jojolion.
minor ore
the true villain of part 8
viscid mountain
Twenty century boy act 2
sleek mason
@minor ore honestly yeah, for being a sailor boi made from two men, gappy really is one of the straightest jojos so far
minor ore
nah the villain of part 8 is gonna be pocoloco
ocean mirage
hey ya would get demolished by joshu
minor ore
hey ya requiem
ocean mirage
what is that ?
sly turret
watermelon steven
minor ore
it’s a rock human
ocean mirage
what if joshu is a rock human, the real joshu was a nice person and he was killed by a rock human
minor ore
Wait so
I just realised something re-reading Jojolion
Older Rock humans have new Guinnea and Australian ancestry
delicate cedar
Australian part 9? hmmmmmmmmm
quasi raft
Joey Joestar
delicate cedar
old marlin
Karera is underappreciated
minor ore
true
quasi raft
She's great
How long is jojolion in comparison to the other parts?
In terms of pages since chapter length varies
delicate cedar
@quasi raft roughly 3500 pages so far
minor ore
yasuho kinda badass
supple totem
She pulled a spice girl on em
minor ore
joshu
winter musk
that is making me uncomfortable
minor ore
Why are the wrists so thin
patent inlet
cyan viper
cursed josuke
stark fossil
That right eye is so far from where it should be it's almost in Part 9
minor ore
josuke my favorite jojo
sly turret
which one
minor ore
I think this drawing was made shitty on purpose
He looks like his chromosomes also doubled from the rokakaka
minor ore
It could work in the p4 style, i've seen some good art of it
It was the "dick is extremely important" scene
minor ore
I don't get it
imagine if that drawing was made with genuine feeling and care
sorry i meant tracing*
same thing
can't argue with you on that one
fast crow
SWEET STANDS ARE MADE OF THIS
WHO AM I TO DISAGREE
IVE TRAVELED THE GLOBE AND THE SEVEN SEAS
EVERY JOESTAR'S LOOKING FOR SOMETHING
SOME OF THEM WANT TO PUNCH YOU
SOME OF THEM WANT TO GET PUNCHED BY YOU
SOME OF THEM WANT TO KILL YOU
SOME OF THEM WANT TO GET KILLED BY YOU
violet coral
i understand that reference
minor ore
how do you not
plucky widget
OH WAAIT
kind owlBOT
@plucky widget, Your Stand Power is now level 8 !
minor ore
I don't get it
sweet dreams
Haven't heard it but kk
Also joshu best boy part 8
true
Nut king call best stand
plucky widget
joshu
vast ermine
fading cove
yasuho is cute
she has the best action panels
when she does some weird short hand motions
yasuho is best girl
sly turret
anyone else notice that Paisley Park's appearence changes legit every time we see her
late nexus
I still dont get paisley park ability tbh
sly turret
I don't think anyone does
it just kinda does technology shit
no clear explanation on limitations or anything though
real ferry
It seeks out information anywhere it can to help Yasuho and her friends.
Technology is the easiest route
fast crow
guys
sly turret
yeah but then it can also open electronic doors and shit
fast crow
watsa duwang
real ferry
I suppose its infiltration capabilities fit within gathering information, such as passwords and such.
Maybe my terminology is lacking
sly turret
I always just think of it as hackerman
soft raptor
minor ore
A duwang is something beautiful
minor ore
kind owlBOT
@minor ore, Your Stand Power is now level 2 !
sly turret
omg it's Kira and his best friend, ViKing725
plucky widget
fast crow
joshu is just hiding his muscles in the manga
minor ore
Technomancy sounds way more badass than it actually is