What about the tangerine and the lemon then?
#jojolion
analog ether
And they were put in the wall eyes
void viper
no they're supposed to swap
void viper
that's what happened with josefumi and kira
minor ore
Literal Jesus Christ helps a man with four balls defeating his girlfriend' s ex boyfriend and an hot milf
void viper
fuck tooru 😠
analog ether
Yasuho did
upbeat hazel
tooru is so sus it hurts
void viper
sus?
minor ore
I was thinking
upbeat hazel
tru
minor ore
do we know Tooru' s stand?
upbeat hazel
not yet
minor ore
theory time
sacred magnet
there's a chance that the shadow thing in the corner was his stand
void viper
I heard it was called RR or something like that
that was probably just someone shitposting though
hidden ruin
The ability confuses me because like, is it literally just things inconveniently knocking into you
minor ore
Tooru' s stand is able to bring older or future versions of Tooru himself to the actual time, the head doctor is Tooru in the future who was brought back to the present by present Tooru
void viper
hmmm almost as if it's causing misfortune 
upbeat hazel
sacred magnet
that sounds cool but i really don't see any evidence for that theory
although if that does turn out to be true it could be something similar to bites the dust
minor ore
after all part 8 is a sort of part 4 remake
hidden ruin
Well from the panels I would say it's safe to say it's long range, maybe automatic?
sacred magnet
well if tooru does turn out to be the main villain or the head doctor then its not entirely out of the question that his stand is super mysterious and does something very specific at the start that you really couldn't use to tell what it's ability actually is, we've seen this with almost every main villain so i really don't think the things suddenly appearing to block you is anything remotely close to the stands actual ability
minor ore
so a sort of love train but less busted?
sacred magnet
probably, it has a lot of evidence to point it at some sort of teleportation or reality bending
now looking at it again it looks like its coming out of the shadow from the corner. either that or it has no legs. its power could be something with shadows
like teleporting between shadows?
the shadows dissapear with the stand when gappy turns around so maybe the stand summons shadows with it?
void viper
tbh I wouldn't be surprised if the shadows were there just for effect
sacred magnet
could also be that
void viper
I'd like to think that it's not though
sacred magnet
a stand that uses shadows would be cool, only one we had was black sabbath and it could only travel in them
upbeat hazel
black sabbath was sick
sacred magnet
yeah but imagine being able to control shadows, create shadows, teleport with them and maybe even make shadow clones (could explain the inconvenient things appearing in front of people)
sacred magnet
remember when jojolion stopped adding things to the plot
me neither
remember when a character stayed relevant to the plot after their arc ended and kept being expanded on?
me neither
minor ore
I mean, what else would you do with daya or joshu
Or norisuke
Daya's stand is pretty unfit for fun battles, norisuke has no time for a solo arc since he's the head of the house and all that
The only one needing of more arcs is joshu's big sister whatsherface
mossy robin
Daiya's Stand collects memories.
She's literally the perfect one for this.
Just collect some memories from the head doctor and you're good.
All he needs to do is take special care for her.
AND HE WOULD.
BECAUSE HE'S A FUCKING DOCTOR.
THAT IS LITERALLY HIS JOB.
mossy robin
Special care taken towards her.
minor ore
Hmm
mossy robin
Daiya is one of the best-fit for this.
minor ore
He doesn't operate on people tho
They said it two chapters ago
And her ability is way too situational for her to do anything against an enemy
I just wanna see more joshu and josuke fights
They have some pretty good chemistry despite hating each other
Joshu
minor ore
what is paisley parks power
it looks like it has about 3 abilities lmao
It basically does anything electronic
Need to hack in? Sure
Need to track someone? Go ahead
It's like Watchdogs: the stand
rich hearth
Paisley Park is good tho 
sullen trellis
Wait my bois when next chapter
void viper
18th-20th
sullen trellis
I don't want to fucking wait
grizzled pilot
too bad
minor ore
What do you thing we'll see this chapter? Akefu's face/stand? More Jobin monologuing? Rai getting fucked up? Tsurugi killing someone?
Josuke vs Tooru?
hushed hemlock
none of the above
this next one will fork off into a completely unrelated side plot, I'm calling it here
mossy robin
Joshu's Bizarre Adventure: Sausage Crusaders
hushed hemlock
honestly in the long run I hope they extend the Akefu mystery one more chapter, because that means an even wackier reveal
mossy robin
Not necessarily.
hushed hemlock
well yeah I guess it could always be a boring Tooru stand
unless Tooru turns out to be a really interesting character himself
sacred magnet
am I the only one who feels like Soft and Wet is very underused in Jojolion? For such a cool power that can lead to some interesting fights all it seems to do is punch and just make regular bubbles
hushed hemlock
when's the last time he stole a property?
minor ore
I mean, when you're facing a zombie horde and overpressurised atmosphere there's not many properties you can take away to help you
sacred magnet
friction of the floor
grizzled pilot
old enough to be in ASB
mossy robin
^
It's also the DHA in Eyes of Heaven.
"Haha I stealed you are friction get FUCKED."
minor ore
It was a cool attack in asb tho
When he just lubes himself up while sliding and kicking
sacred magnet
how about that time he stole the water from the woman watching him in the hospital at the start? i want to see more interesting uses like that. Like why didn't he do anything to poor tom or to any of the other rock human fights?
he just punched a lot in them
and used regular bubbles
i feel like with arakis creativity you can do a lot with a stand power that can remove so many different types of properties
stark fossil
He probably thought it's too OP
Imagine just stealing the mass of any opponent and flicking them away
sacred magnet
it could be used in a lot of situations to win easily sure, but im getting tired of just punching and bubbling sounds
kind owlBOT
@sacred magnet, Your Stand Power is now level 7 !
minor ore
I don't really care tbh
hushed hemlock
part 8 will end with josuke using all his power to put a bubble around earth so he can steal the flow of time
minor ore
The fuck
hushed hemlock
full circle
minor ore
I get it
AHAHAHAHAAAAAA
hushed hemlock
well, I guess full circle would be stealing joshu's perfect body
sacred magnet
speaking of stands, how the hell does paisley park work, i still don't get it. it seems to work differently every time its used
first it used josukes gps to guide him
then it just told yasuho where she needed to go
then it did the weird thing with the 2 options
and now it looks like it can just straight up hack electronics
minor ore
It does electronic magic
hushed hemlock
I would like to help but I have literally never paid attention to paisley park, I just go along with it
minor ore
i'm in
mossy robin
Pretty much.
"Paisley Park, the FUCK did you just do."
"I stole like 5,000,000,000 from banks worldwide haha have fun it's untraceable."
sacred magnet
but what about the parts where it just appears and tells yasuho exactly what she needs to do, or how it can bend reality when it did the whole choose one of 2 options
mossy robin
The guidance thing is like a GPS.
minor ore
It's just yasuho's consciousness trying to forge her into being independant
And make her own choices
hushed hemlock
paisley park is pink dragon's dream 👀💧
rich hearth
sacred magnet
it just feels like too much of an ex machina for me to like it, with how its power is to literally tell the main cast exactly what they need to know and constantly changing power to fit the situation it needs to be used in
hushed hemlock
for real whenever I see it do the "pick an item", thing I always think; what was the point of that?
mossy robin
It's dangerous to go alone.
minor ore
I forget what it is exactly
sacred magnet
i'm really glad araki dropped that 2 option power, it made doobie wahs fight really boring
minor ore
It made the fight very surreal, which is pretty much jojolion's forte
sacred magnet
i really didn't like the fight, apart from the end where paper moon king did the bus thing
that was cool and really showed of the potential of paper moon king
hushed hemlock
yeah Paper Moon King actually used it's normal power in a useful and new way
minor ore
It was badass af
hushed hemlock
take notes pink dragon's dream
sacred magnet
can someone tell me the difference between Stone Free and Doggystyle, if there is any? From what i understand both just unravel the users body into string/wire, the only difference i see is that stone free can punch
minor ore
Doggystyle makes Rai like a rubber band, not a string on itself
Also he can make himself all string to avoid damage
hushed hemlock
araki really likes unravelling bodies into usable lines, he's used it 3 times consecutively
minor ore
It also doesn't do stuff you can only do with a string, like eavesdropping
It's a more balanced stone free
hushed hemlock
stone free is more similar to mountain tim's stand
sacred magnet
jolyne used stone free to change the shape of her body in the c-moon fight so i'm pretty sure she could have used it to turn her whole body into string if she needed to
hushed hemlock
which I only just now learned is called Oh! Lonesome Me
minor ore
No, remember Oh! Lonesome Me can be used on other people
You could divide your body onto that string and move through it
Stone Free and Doggystyle can't do that
sacred magnet
oh lonesome me is a lasso that worked very differently that stone free and doggystyle
hushed hemlock
I mean I knew about separating his body but I didn't remember he could use it on other people
sacred magnet
yeah i'm pretty sure the stand is the lasso itself and that it doesn't have a humanoid form
and it can't use tims body to extend its range
just separate it
do you guys think we'll get a stand similar to Bites the Dust for the finale?
minor ore
Ye
sacred magnet
i'm still convinced that araki is gonna make speed king a super powerful stand later in the story, since he specifically mentions it having more unused power that jobin still hasn't used, so if we to get something like bites the dust i'm thinking some new power is gonna wake up in speed king
minor ore
I suspect Speed King’s true ability is to control friction
Increasing friction can heat things up. It would make sense
worthy cargo
A theory is that his power is to speed up particles
If something we should get something more bizarre than D4C, Jojolion needs to end on a high note
void viper
my theory is that it's a mistranslation and SK doesn't actually have a secret ability
worthy cargo
It still has an S in development potential. one never knows
maybe he smokes weed real fast
idk
sacred magnet
i definitely think it will have more than just slightly increasing temperature, especially since jobin is such an important character
minor ore
The "speed king has an unused power" was retconned in the volume release
So no, Speed King doesn't have a hidden ability
Either retconned or it was a mistranslation
worthy cargo
So it will evolve
minor ore
I'm hyped for Tsurugi's new power, but I think we'll have to wait until the HD thing is resolved to see it
kind owlBOT
@minor ore, Your Stand Power is now level 12 !
hushed hemlock
Speed King is gonna globa lwarming and the main villlain of part 8 is global warming
worthy cargo
The head doctor will probably make the art go 4k if it gets more bizarre than part 7
minor ore
part 8 so far is the most bizarre one
granite torrent
anyone know when the next volume/chapter is out?
minor ore
4 days I guess
void viper
I like VA, SBR and SO more
void viper
SO is my third favourite
granite torrent
jolyne is so boring
viscid lintel
SO is also my third
void viper
the stands vary between part 3 standards and the most jojo thing in the series
viscid lintel
Respectable
void viper
7>5=6>8>4>2>1>3
viscid lintel
Mine would have to be 7>8>6>5>4>3>2>1
void viper
respectable opinion ^
minor ore
7
8
4
5
3
6
2
1
void viper
6 lower than 3
minor ore
Yes
void viper
⚠ wrong opinion alert ⚠
minor ore
Stone Ocean fucking sucks
void viper
why
minor ore
Trash fights, mediocre side characters, and just an uninteresting middle
void viper
ending makes up for the latter
I enjoyed most of the fights outside the prison but that's personal taste
viscid lintel
Uniniteresting middle I can agree with
void viper
I liked weather and hermes
viscid lintel
Some stands were also dumb as all hell
void viper
emporio was serviceable
viscid lintel
But there were some cool stands too
worthy cargo
Stone Ocean also has one of the most 'what the actual fuck' moments of the whole series. Snails
worthy cargo
Yeah that arc was just prime jojo
like. what was going through Araki's head lol, that was 20 years ago
void viper
*flaccid pancake
viscid lintel
Yesh
granite torrent
the universe reset is cool but it's just cuz araki ran out of jo names 
sacred magnet
josefumi kujo is an original jo name
void viper
joshu is as well?
sacred magnet
imagine if part 8's plotwist is that joshu is the parts jojo, josuke dies and joshu takes over as the new jojo
void viper
that would be epic 😎
sacred magnet
tbh i like joshu, i can understand the hate but i really don't get why there's so much of it
viscid lintel
^
primal grove
i like to think they all dress like that because that's how their mother used to dress them before she went to prison
in the same way that Josuke (part 4) dresses to "honor" whoever saved him, they do that as a remembrance of their mother
pretty much the only think they'd remember from that time
clever harness
part 1 > all
stark wagon
7>4>8>5>6>2>3>1 
chilly gazelle
Vitamin c best fight
viscid lintel
Debatable
minor ore
It's a damn good fight
granite torrent
if thats the fight against the boyfriend, thats my favorite
old marlin
Yeah it is, its a damn good fight.
dusty totem
late beacon
old marlin
Love her
minor ore
Emporio > Tsurugi > Hayato
old marlin
First of all, no
Second of all, no
Third of all, hell no
Hayato = Emporio
Tsurugi isnt a kid hes a rodent
minor ore
At least we can all agree Lucy> > > all of them
rich hearth
The holy trinity of licks
Kakyoin, Bruno, and Yasuho@
old marlin
This is true.
old marlin
You mean <<<<
minor ore
Tsurugi did nothing wrong
old marlin
I hope the world isnt losing its marbles
stark wagon
literally anyone in the series > tsurugi
tidal solstice
Yeah
Fite me
What yall mad bc he most likely killed norisuke (still dont know if he dead)
stark wagon
he is annoying
has an annoying stand
constantly harassing yasuho
there's nothing to like
old marlin
@flat cave BLUE HAWAII YOU FOOL
flat cave
the name "ss blue hawaii" doesn't spoil anything lol
old marlin
old marlin
Thats a mighty fine ship aeras cant believe youd spoil ot
flat cave
wow wtf is that ugly thing thats not a boat
old marlin
RUDE
placid gyro
supple totem
STAPH
upbeat hazel
make it stop
minor ore
What the fuck, what's this tsurugi hate?
Tsurugi > all the other boring ass child characters in jojo
upbeat hazel
tsurugi is good
sacred magnet
he has one of my favorite stands in the part
craggy belfry
I don't care for Emporio, but I like him more than Hayato despite Hayato being a better character
upbeat hazel
out of the child characters
hayato > emporio = tsurugi
minor ore
WHY THO
upbeat hazel
idk man i just like hayato
craggy belfry
I get that Tsurugi is creepy but Hayato set up cameras in his parents room, I think Araki tried to show that children have creepy tendencies since they don't know any better, emporio doesn't have that element to him maybe because he's been self reliant this whole time
I don't like Hayato at all, I definitely prefer Tsurugi to him by a long shot
minor ore
Hayato and emporio both feel like grown ass men with their absolutely impossible resolve and determination
Tsurugi actually feels like a child
minor ore
Just commenting so it stops notifying me of this message that i already saw
grizzled pilot
hayato is good but his dialogue is so... bland
ahhhh this thing happened and that made this other thing happen ahhhh
every single hayato line
mossy robin
Mr. Exposition.
mossy robin
I think Emporio's a bit better but he's still an exposition machine.
A cute exposition machine who I want to hug because he deserves it god dammit.
He is the ONLY kid in media I consider cute at all.
Because I normally fucking hate children.
upbeat hazel
i always forget that hayato is actually the protagonist of bites the dust
josuke and friends are just there to die and then later josuke saves hayato from the loop
mossy robin
At least he does have normal dialogue.
grizzled pilot
i like emporio a lot
and yeah i think he's better than hayato? i dunno
i like them both
upbeat hazel
remember when a bunch of people thought emporio was gonna be in jojolion
grizzled pilot
no
mossy robin
No.
grizzled pilot
why would i look at reddit
upbeat hazel
good question
mossy robin
I mean the kid did have a baseball cap.
craggy belfry
you see the problem with having media of any sort is that people with that sort of mentality are gonna be attracted to it
upbeat hazel
thats literally the only basis for the emporio idea lol @mossy robin
mossy robin
Then Anasui should be Diavolo.
craggy belfry
kinda like how there was a palpatine laugh in that new star wars trailer and people though palpatine were gonna come back
mossy robin
By that standard.
upbeat hazel
he isnt?
grizzled pilot
he's gonna be back i'm telling you
craggy belfry
I don't think he will
grizzled pilot
no probably not but it would be funny
craggy belfry
I bet all 3 of you guys10 dollars, I don't have paypal but I have venmo so come back to me after the movie comes out
upbeat hazel
the new trilogy kinda sucks
mossy robin
I'm not betting shit.
craggy belfry
the new trilogy is worst than kind of sucks
mossy robin
I'm pirating movie 9 just to laugh at it.
grizzled pilot
new trilogy is meh
grizzled pilot
force awakens was okay but last jedi sucked
craggy belfry
the best thing about the trilogy is the visuals, that's it
upbeat hazel
force awakens was fine
but last jedi 🤢
mossy robin
Because 7 and 8 weren't good.
craggy belfry
7 wasn't good it was ok 8 was terrible
at least 7 had room for potential
killing snoke removed anything the series had to offer
grizzled pilot
like, they're iconic, beloved by millions movies. i get that it's hard to make a sequel to them. but force awakens felt like a worthy enough addition
upbeat hazel
7 just felt like a lazy version of episode 4 to me
craggy belfry
I liked rogue one but no the main characters that much
mossy robin
[The Force Awakens]
Strength: D
Range: A
Speed: C
Durability: D
Precision: C
Development Potential: A
upbeat hazel
i liked rogue one
didnt like solo
craggy belfry
I didn't like Solo that much cause it just rewrote his whole character
minor ore
Literally the only new star wars movie i enjoyrd was rogue one
upbeat hazel
rogue one was the best star wars movie to come out in like 35 years
minor ore
Nah
craggy belfry
I also didn't like childish gambino's performance as Lando, I like Lando a lot as far as OT characters thought he was going to exude charisma but he really didn't he felt like a nervous wreck to me
minor ore
Episode 3 was pretty good
upbeat hazel
big disagree
craggy belfry
and they didn't seem like friends, him and han, at all
mossy robin
[The Last Jedi]
Strength: E
Range: A
Speed: D
Durability: E
Precision: D
Development Potential: D
And I'm done.
craggy belfry
Episode 3 hands down my favorite movie ever
mossy robin
Good day.
minor ore
@craggy belfry HELL YEAH
upbeat hazel
episode 3, at the very least, is worse than rogue one
I only enjoy 3 for the memes
grizzled pilot
very good movie stand stats
the prequels weren't that good i get it
but, i still liked them
mossy robin
[A New Hope]
Strength: B
Range: A
Speed: B
Durability: A
Precision: A
Development Potential: A
I WASN'T DONE.
FUCKERS.
grizzled pilot
NANI
minor ore
Dude the clone wars cartoon was so orgasmically good it redeemed the prequels
craggy belfry
honestly if you want only memes and dont like the movie, Attack of the Clones is a lot better, its ripe for memes while being one of the lower star wars films, I mean the plot is wayyyy better than the new 2 films combined but despite being 2 hours wrong it feels rushed
mossy robin
The prequel fights were good though.
minor ore
Eh
upbeat hazel
obi wan vs anakin at the end of 3 is good
grizzled pilot
clone wars > rebels tho
craggy belfry
I don't think rebels was on the same level as clone wars best moments but after season 1 it got much better
mossy robin
What about Qui Gon & Obi Wan VS. Darth Maul?
grizzled pilot
i kinda liked season 1
upbeat hazel
thats good too
grizzled pilot
it was like the DiU of rebels
they're all stuck on one planet the whole season
and then the last season tied it all back together
upbeat hazel
never watched much of rebels or the clone wars
craggy belfry
episode 3 has a lot of flaws but I will genuinely defend it as a good film. Maybe not a great film, maybe not an awesome film, but a decent story with tons of nice ideas
mossy robin
Hey remember when.
Remember when in.
When in A New Hope, Luke was the new hope and it was really symbolic and stuff and then.
And then The Last Jedi rewrote his entire character and Mark Hamill tried to warn us until Disney shut him down.
craggy belfry
George Lucas was always great with world building, I probably wouldn't love jojo as much as I do if Star Wars kept its shit together
upbeat hazel
i think its like a 5/10
an average film
good concepts and ideas
sloppy execution
grizzled pilot
god
craggy belfry
yes I do remember that and I hate disney
upbeat hazel
i dont really understand how star wars got as big as it did
mossy robin
Hey remember when.
Remember when Disney controls 27% of all entertainment and are basically holding a monopoly over the film industry and they're STILL GROWING?
upbeat hazel
it had 3 good sci-fi films in the 70's and 80's
i dont see what made it so huge
mossy robin
The effects.
grizzled pilot
thats what
mossy robin
At the time.
upbeat hazel
tru
craggy belfry
star wars got as big as it did cause it was one of the first Sci-Fi movies to be really simple and not be "for nerds" and the prequels were wayy less simple and edgy which is why many people don't like them
upbeat hazel
wow it makes sense now
grizzled pilot
all three of these
craggy belfry
it just had a bunch of stuff that made you say WOAHHH instead of think
we love the prequels but most dont
mossy robin
1977 is when A New Hope released.
mossy robin
Let's look at the effects other movies had at this time.
grizzled pilot
but i also like stuff that makes you think
mossy robin
Well that's hard to look for so instead.
Let's just put it at THEY WERE FUCKING REVOLUTIONARY.
craggy belfry
honestly the prequels had the worst effects that's one thing I didn't like about them, but Lucas probably wouldn't have been able to capture his vision without as much cgi as he used which he really puts emphasis on in the Phantom Menace behind the scenes
mossy robin
The imagination was still there in the prequels.
The best new idea the sequels presents is.
"Red salt planet covered in snow."
craggy belfry
main reason I knows this is cause my dad had the Phantom Menace Collector's Edition VHS and that little tidbit would always play before the movie
yeah and even that was just hoth 2
mossy robin
Hey remember when.
Remember when Finn was about to sacrifice himself and it was going to be a genuinely good scene and then.
And then what's-her-name fucks it all up and most of the rebels die because he didn't stop the fucking LASER.
craggy belfry
when you sacrifice yourself so nobody has to sacrifice themselves
grizzled pilot
what if you
wanted to sacrifice yourself for the rebellion
but rose said
craggy belfry
come on dude tell me what she said
Fuck Jojolion this is now the star wars chat
I'm sorry part 8
grizzled pilot
hoping someone else could complete it cause i don't remember whatever she said
it was dumb tho
mossy robin
Something something love something something sacrifice.
rich hearth
Tfw you’re hyping up Snoke but you kill him immediately
minor ore
It was kinda hilarious how he's busting the biggest nut throughout the entire scene
Back to part 8, when should the next chapter come out?
analog ether
This sunday, I think
old marlin
18th or 19th is when it usually drops
minor ore
No one mentioned Lucy when discussing child characters 
old marlin
No one mentioned Giorno either
upbeat hazel
idk i wouldnt really consider Lucy or Giorno a child character
minor ore
I mean, Lucy did play the role of "child being tormented by the villain" in part 7
Even if she's 14 it still makes sense to compare her to Hayato/Emporio/Tsurugi
old marlin
Trish?
analog ether
Maybe at first, but Trish definitely matures over the part
old marlin
A child is still a child
Hayato is mature throughout the entire story, doesnt mean he isnt a child.
old marlin
Huh
minor ore
"Hayato is mature enough throughout the entire story"
analog ether
I meant moreso interms of character. She doesn't really play a childlike character.
Then again, neither do any of the other children in JoJo really
old marlin
Shes still a child
minor ore
Pop
old marlin
@minor ore never said he was "mature enough"
upbeat hazel
Tsurugi is pretty child like @old marlin
analog ether
I wouldn't say Tsurugi is childlike anymore
old marlin
Hes still a child
analog ether
I'm not arguing that they aren't mate
minor ore
Imagine actually ending part 8
upbeat hazel
araki can't apparently
minor ore
only year and a half more boys
old marlin
I hope next chapter is an earth ending event causing the world of jojolion to end abruptly
sacred magnet
i hope the next chapter stops adding stuff and it actually properly explains things instead of just dumping new stuff on us before anything gets a chance to get fully developed
sacred magnet
part 8 is either going to have the lamest ending that barely explains anything or its going to be the longest explanation in the entire series, with how much part 8 introduces and drops shit
old marlin
Nothing will ever reach HxH levels of exposition
hushed hemlock
Part 8 will end suddenly with a message that says "Okay guys I'm pretty well rested, let's end this filler and go on to Part 9"
minor ore
Why is it that every post in this channel is to shit on part 8?
old marlin
It isnt
minor ore
Did Araki originally give Joshu an even worse haircut?
analog ether
JUST
hushed hemlock
it literally does look like that
old marlin
I hated when Joshu had side hair
analog ether
Joshu's hair has gradually gotten better over the course of part 8
sacred magnet
to bad he still has the terrible lip pants
hushed hemlock
morioh just has really terrible barbers and he's the only one who won't do his own hair
analog ether
Nowadays it looks still not good, but no where near as bad as it did
spice crystal
i hate joshu
i want to hit him very hard with a chair
but he is a good character
analog ether
If there was ever an opportunity for a proper joshu redemption arc, it'd be now
hushed hemlock
joshu is the ultimate sympathetic character
spice crystal
and i like the way he is written
old marlin
He has never not had a point
analog ether
because as of now he is not the worst yasuho boyfriend
spice crystal
he's not a cunt for the sake of being a cunt
analog ether
only the 2nd worst
spice crystal
he has his, undoubtedly flawed, reasoning
but its still reasoning
just too much or the wrong tone
analog ether
He's basically a realistic Okuyasu
hushed hemlock
lmao, sperg okuyasu
kind owlBOT
@hushed hemlock, Your Stand Power is now level 10 !
analog ether
A dumb punk who's trying to do the right thing but fucks up miserably
hushed hemlock
what if the rest of the chapters have joshu as the right hand man jobro
spice crystal
interesting
minor ore
I'm coining sperg okuyasu as a description of joshu now
analog ether
The last page of that arc, where joshu ponders on basically what is his purpose in life, makes me think that Joshu is going to have some form of redemption
kind owlBOT
@minor ore, Your Stand Power is now level 9 !
old marlin
Just had an image in my head
sacred magnet
i really like joshu, he's kind of an ass but its understandable considering how little respect he gets from the rest of the family, and the scene where he messes with their mother when she comes back shows that despite everything he puts up with he still loves his family
old marlin
Tsurugi at the top of the stairs with joshu encountering him
Like when polnareff encountered DIO
hushed hemlock
lmao
sacred magnet
i hear people complaining about the joshu and yasuho scene in the bathroom but i really don't get it, from joshu's perspective everything was consensual
old marlin
That was all tsurugi's fault
analog ether
speedreaders man
mossy robin
"Wow my crush wants to fuck me kinda? That's sudden but I'll take what I can get!"
"OH GOD HE DOESN'T HAVE FOUR BALLS YOU AREN'T JOSUKE."
"The fuck just happened."
sacred magnet
how the fuck do you even feel okay with speedreading jojo? the art is so good and it just feels like a waste to try and read it as fast as possible
old marlin
Speedreading has alot of justifications that i dont agree with but to each their own
analog ether
I get why people think less of Joshu for doing that, even if he did think of it as consensual, but the absolute worst kind of people are those who go "He didn't stop, even when she said stop!"
That is wrong on so many levels
Those people are actual cavemen
mossy robin
Didn't he?
I'll have to reread it.
sacred magnet
most people just really didn't like him at the start and then decided that he's a shitty character without even giving him a chance
sacred magnet
joshu's arcs are my favorite arcs in part 8, shakedown road and milagro man are super interesting and show joshu as a person who refuses to let other people take advantage of him
old marlin
People are so fucking quick to say joshu is a piece of shit because of one thing he did but are quick to forgive tsurugi for legitimately torturing Yasuho for an entire chapter for legit no reason
hushed hemlock
haha funny little boy prank
tender geyser
tsurugi is like 12 and Joshu is about 18 so he should know better?
and tsurugi was being manipulated by the architect
tender geyser
uhh not really
im sure if either tooru or josuke were in joshus place they wouldn't try and rape her
hushed hemlock
btw aren't you glad Araki didn't accidentally make Tsurugi vaguely attractive, because that would spur a whole line of fanart I don't even want to think about
analog ether
Listen my guy
If a girl comes up to you and says "my crotch is wet, it's really fuckin wet, don't touch my soaking wet crotch, also, let's go somewhere private where we can't be seen" how are you going to interpret that?
tender geyser
all Jojo children look so ugly fortunately
mossy robin
Emporio is a cute kid.
tender geyser
yasuho was obviously really distressed and joshu "conveniently" misheard her saying josuke... riiiight
hushed hemlock
even crossdressed emporio would probably cause a fandom conundrum
mossy robin
But the editors make a note of the specific language used.
old marlin
Emporio looks like a human
rich hearth
old marlin
Tsurugi is just a stillborn rat
tender geyser
when you live in a prison but look better than the heir to some million dollar company
analog ether
So you're just going to assume that, what, joshu was lying about what he heard.
he lied to the reader
ok
tender geyser
nah he was just thirsty
old marlin
exactly
tender geyser
ok and how is that a good thing? i like joshu btw but you cant really excuse him for that scene
analog ether
being thirsty doesn't mean you don't know what consent is?
tender geyser
yeh pretty much
mossy robin
old marlin
Joshu debates will be the death of me
tender geyser
hmmm yeh its not like he knows anyone called Jouske who yasuho also knows
analog ether
bruh
old marlin
He didnt hear Josuke
sacred magnet
why are you even so obsessed about this
analog ether
"yeah, im just gonna assume the information im being fed is wrong"
tender geyser
"yeah im just going to side with the unpopular character cus im cool and edgy"
tender geyser
sorry that was deep its not even important
old marlin
Being a contrarian for contrarian sakes isnt what they're doing
It aint worth it to strawman over a Joshu debate
mossy robin
I main Joshu in EoH.
tender geyser
so they just agree with almost raping someone cus he misheard something
mossy robin
He did stop though.
old marlin
They dont agree with the rape
tender geyser
just going to say that he continued getting undressed and taking off her clothes after she screamed
analog ether
No dude, that's not the point
I'm not arguing that "rape is bad lmao" I'm arguing that Joshu isn't a rapist when he very clearly thinks the sex he is having is consensual, and when he realises it isn't, he stops
tender geyser
from my eyes he would have carried on if she didnt say jousuke and run off
and his own logic to make it consensual was way too tenuous
it was just convenient for him to see and hear what he wanted to
spice crystal
how can you possibly tell he continues
analog ether
I think you're forgetting about the entire set up leading to this, other than him mishearing "Josuke" as "Joshu-suke"
Again, she basically says, I have a really wet "crotch", it's been like that since I called "you", i'm feeling "crazy" and also we should go some where private where no one can hear us.
tender geyser
the next page btw where he continues
spice crystal
he's too overwhelmed
analog ether
This isn't Joshu going "OH SHE SAID SHE LIKES ME, IM GONNA FUCK", a lot of what Yasuho is saying could be easily, easily misrepresented for someone in Joshu's position
tender geyser
yeh i guess that would be misleading, but any rational person would probably realise she was talking about something else
hushed hemlock
joshu isn't a rational person, he's a sperg
analog ether
Well Joshu is also fucking dumb and I'm not gonna deny that, but again, that doesn't make him a rapist
sacred magnet
yasuho was joshu's crush ever since they were children give him a break
sacred magnet
i wouldn't call joshu dumb, he figured out how shakedown road worked
analog ether
There's a difference between misconstruing something as consent and choosing to rape someone out one's own personal desire
You saying "he woulda kept going anyway" is a HUGE jumping the shark moment
spice crystal
absolutely
analog ether
Probably, but you get what i mean fam
tender geyser
sorry that i challenged the great joshuu authority on this channel
analog ether
Apology accepted :^)
tender geyser
lol
old marlin
So how does Doobie Wah work again
minor ore
you breathe you die
sacred magnet
to me doobie wah was a really boring stand
it just targets on people and if that person takes a breath it appears and attackes them
minor ore
I found the fight exciting, it's a boring stand tho
sacred magnet
and it makes no sense for an automatic stand who's range seems to be infinite to not only be impervious to attacks but also be able to do so much damage and be able to lock onto multiple people at once
analog ether
Your breathe turns into a tornado, and the more you breathe, the bigger your tornado becomes
sacred magnet
the fight was also pretty bad imho, it used paisley parks sudden ability to bend reality and consisted of nothing but yasuho and tsurugi just taking a bus
minor ore
Why would you find Doobie Wah ilogical when stands don't have limitations?
And Paisley Park ability appeared in the arc before Doobie wah so it wasn't sudden
sacred magnet
the stronger the users mental strength the stronger their stand is, does doobie wah's user really look like a person who would have such a strong stand? and that doesn't excuse paisley park being suddenly able to do that without being properly explained and then never used after the doobie wah fight
viscid lintel
When has that been followed in JoJo
Why would Pesci have Beach Boy
I get it’s a rule but it’s never followed
sacred magnet
because he has the potential to be a strong minded person and at the start he used beach boy for very basic uses but after he got serious he used beach boy to its full potential
viscid lintel
Did we really know that much about Doobies user anyways it could’ve been like Pesci with strong potential
stark fossil
I don't think mental strength Stand strength is really a rule
You just get something that reflects some aspect of you, and if you're smart you can use it well
sacred magnet
doobie wah's user was a person who told his girlfriend that he sleeps for an entire month and lost his house because of it, he is probably on the lowest rank in the rokaka dealing since he just carries the fruit to the buyers and nothing he does in all his scene really suggest he has a strong will. It's not a far stretch so assume he isn't really powerful when it comes to mental strength.
tender geyser
sorry for interrupting (and for arguing with everyone earlier) but I just uploaded a new video on my youtube channel https://youtu.be/_qHUUnwMlDs about the head doctor and would really appreciate if anyone would take a look. Thanks 😃
kind owlBOT
@tender geyser, Your Stand Power is now level 5 !
sacred magnet
having an argument here is fine, it's what this channel is for, discussing jojolion
sacred magnet
i'm 90% sure a users mental strength directly corelates with a stands strength (along with other things). it explains why the series jojos and main villains have the strongest stands in the series and why most single arc villains have weaker stands unless they were specifically mentioned to have a strong will, either through past events or higher educations
kind owlBOT
@sacred magnet, Your Stand Power is now level 8 !
analog ether
Ah don't worry about it. It's only a bit of fun. Please don't take anything I'm taking too seriously, I'm kind of half-shitposting when I debate.
tender geyser
lol im glad its cool then
also in regards to mental strength how do you deal with animals and plants getting stands?
sacred magnet
i'm just used to getting worked up when joshu is mentioned since i'm so used to people blatantly shitting on him
stark fossil
Getting a strong Stand allows you to be the hero or villain
sacred magnet
then how do you explain the fact that all the users of powerful stands were already strong willed people before they got their stand?
tender geyser
how can you say that someone like Pucci was strong willed?
he was pretty meek when he got white snake
viscid lintel
I mean he had the resolve to do the shit he did in SO
stark fossil
What's your definition of mental strength or a powerful Stand
viscid lintel
And he did crazy shit
old marlin
Ciocolatta had an insane evil in him that made his stand much more potent
stark fossil
Joseph had complete confidence, won almost every fight, and got Hermit Purple
old marlin
He hadnt an ounce of guilt in him according to giorno
viscid lintel
Wasn’t that because of Hamon?
analog ether
Hermit Purple is also pretty fitting for Joseph
sacred magnet
hermit purple is powerful, it can be used in so many ways and helped joseph start part 3
it ain't a weak stand
stark fossil
It's versatile but not strong
sacred magnet
versatility is a very powerful thing
analog ether
- It can utilise Hamon
- It doubles as a rope, which joseph has used a lot in the past
- It works as a way to find DIO
- And it can give him some advice on where to go during a fight
viscid lintel
It’s also not as weak as people think it could lift two adults with ease
stark fossil
I know Hermit Purple is good but I wanted to know if that fit your definition of powerful
old marlin
Hermit Purple is a utility stand, it isnt suited for much combat
sacred magnet
yeah, a weak stand is one that does one or two very basic things and can't be used in that many ways
like being a beetle
or a big tower in a field
stark fossil
But if it does that thing so well it can take out a lot of people
stark fossil
Is that not powerful
sacred magnet
it can stop time
old marlin
Not for most of part 3
sacred magnet
and rewrite reality in EoH
old marlin
So was star platinum a weak stand before he got time stop?
Of course not, thats not an accurate depiction of what a weak stand is
viscid lintel
Basic doesn’t mean weak but versatility is also strength
stark fossil
Without stopping time and its high precision, just punching, anyone would call that a strong Stand
It's just, what you do with it
sacred magnet
strength wise it was very powerful, i was talking about utility stands since you mentioned hermit purple
old marlin
You were speaking on the meaning of a weak stand prior i just assumed you meant any stand with basic abilities isnt strong
sacred magnet
i was mostly speaking of non combat based stands since someone mentioned before hermit purple being weak since it couldn't do much in a fight
stark fossil
I just needed to know what counts as a strong Stand
Or whichever adjective you were using
viscid lintel
Strong stand is a hard term since stands are situational
sacred magnet
in general i think a strong stand is one that can fit a lot of different situations, star platinum can be considered strong since it's super strength can be used in a lot of ways
old marlin
Survivor was considered useless and weak
While its ability wasnt anything good at all it had it's use
stark fossil
The water boiling Stand is insane; DIO lacks imagination
viscid lintel
Water boil is just speed king
sacred magnet
survivor is an objectively bad stand, any stand can be considered OP if you put it in the perfect situation.
stark fossil
So mentally stronger people get general purpose Stands?
analog ether
Stands are kind of like fighting game characters
No character is officially weak or strong, but some characters are also far more likely to win a matchup against another characer, while others are very unlikely to.
old marlin
Horus in HFTF
viscid lintel
So how would you rank a stand like CTR
sacred magnet
i think thats the best way to explain it, stands that can deal with tons of different situations are some of the stronger stands
old marlin
I would rank ctr in SSS+
sacred magnet
CTR is a powerful stand but it reflects its user mental instability and duality by only being useful for a short time. Keep in mind it's user blindly followed valentine until he got his hands on a corpse part, then he instantly thought of betraying him
stark fossil
It was a worse Kraft Work... plus a mask
tender geyser
Z tier stands like the sun can defeat catch the rainbow no effort
analog ether
it also made you intangible with rain, which is p good
sacred magnet
like i said an objectively bad stand can be incredibly powerful if it was put in a perfect situation, that doesn't instantly make it better
viscid lintel
Well CTR could do a lot with rain it allowed him total rain manipulation
In the rain he is nearly invincible
sacred magnet
it is but objectively it's a weak stand, since it can only do that in the rain. being a weak stand doesn't make the stand terrible, just not useful in most situations
since jojo stands have such weird and varied powers i feel like judging them by their versatility is the best way to objectively rank the stands by strength
sacred magnet
yeah i love it, i know that if i had the stand you would see me laughing my ass off as i run through the sky on a rainy day
and then probably die because i wouldn't be paying attention to when the rain stops and just fall to my death
god that's terrifying, imagine if the rain stopped in SBR and he just fell to his death
old marlin
Hed just make it not stop
sacred magnet
pretty sure he can't control how long the rain lasts, otherwise then why not just make it last forever?
viscid lintel
Yeah that’s proabably the one thing he can’t manipulate rain wise
analog ether
Maybe blackmore doesn't like rainy days
Maybe he wants to see the sunshine every now and again
old marlin
Blackmore doesnt like himself
analog ether
tfw you like sunny days but your stand only works when it rains
viscid lintel
Also what counts as rain to his ability like if a sprinkler goes of does it count?
sacred magnet
pretty sure it has to be rain that falls from clouds, otherwise why would araki specify rain
and if it wasn't blackmore could have just been carrying gallons of water with him
old marlin
Jesus blackmore as a waterbender
sacred magnet
maybe thats why jesus appeared before blackmore, he was jealous of his superior waterbending powers
sacred magnet
ever thought about why part 8 is called jojolion? every part name has something to do with the story
mossy robin
He said it was something like.
Dammit I forget the name but like Avangelion or something.
analog ether
evangelion
jojolion
mossy robin
That.
analog ether
something holy or something
sacred magnet
isn't evangelion that anime about giant robots?
stark fossil
The lion suffix has something to do with commemoration he said
I think in the same quote he mentioned it has nothing to do with Evangelion
mossy robin
Are you saying I've been masturbating to normal manga?
stark fossil
There's yet another quote where he says he was trying to be more erotic
Not much of that lately though, unless we get to see Mitsuba poking Jobin with her nose next chapter
stark fossil
Also one of the straightest Parts
west canyon
the protag wears a sailor outfit and has a stand called soft and wet
idk about tht one chief
west canyon
he does hve 4 balls tho so ill give him tht
grizzled pilot
i love part 8 bit it is probably the straightest part thusfar
minor ore
Part 1 is straight wdym
west canyon
steel ball run is pretty straight with chad gyro
minor ore
Ye
minor ore
Tho we had Scarlet who was into women
west canyon
johnny was tryna show off to a woman which lead to him gettin shot thts pretty straight
stark fossil
Part 1 doesn't have time to get gay
grizzled pilot
part 1 is pretty gay
analog ether
Part 1 has a man fucking his newly bedded wife after marriage purely for recreational purposes
Can't get straighter than that
stark fossil
If it was gay to be in the presence of a lot of men at once
What does that say about anyone who goes to a football match
west canyon
hollup part 5 is not gayy
stark fossil
Jonathan hugging DIO at the end, was platonic
grizzled pilot
speedwagon was like. totally gay
analog ether
good thing there's not football in part 1
west canyon
king crimson nutted too hard which lead to him having to kill his daughter
minor ore
Part 5 has 2 non confirmed gay couples
stark fossil
Ok yes Speedyweedy was gay for Jonathan
minor ore
Sorbet & Gelato, Squalo & Tiziano
grizzled pilot
not even joking about that one i totally read speedwagon as gay
stark fossil
Part 5 is one of the gayest
west canyon
they werent gay they were just italian
minor ore
- succ
grizzled pilot
part 5 is about these gay dudes on a quest to kill a straight dude who stole the body of bisexual doppio
they were also italian
grizzled pilot
yeah ik i'm just not funny
stark fossil
I don't know which claims of gayness are ironic any more
grizzled pilot
joseph canon gay
stark fossil
Gay for his dad
grizzled pilot
he never even knew his dad
stark fossil
They say the things we want most are the things we don't know
stark fossil
His fricking elbow
west canyon
im more curious about his arm yeesh
stark fossil
Good god
west canyon
is he the man with two right hands
grizzled pilot
part 2 was just like this
stark fossil
I love the weirdness of some poses but I'm also glad the anime doesn't do the strangest ones
west canyon
im startin to think it might be tbh
stark fossil
I doubt the list only started in part 8
west canyon
loli fetish
minor ore
we all know that Araki likes drawing lolis
west canyon
yh like tequila josephg
grizzled pilot
imagine thinking any of those characters are lolis
rich hearth
Lolis aren’t literal children 
grizzled pilot
some are but not by definition
and dont be fuckin weird about kids please jojo discord just do one thing for me
west canyon
this got out of hand quick
rich hearth
west canyon
minor ore
Is daiya a loli?
analog ether
debatable
kind owlBOT
@analog ether, Your Stand Power is now level 16 !
grizzled pilot
i'd say no
minor ore
Tsurugi is a loli?
analog ether
Tsurugi is a shota
summer tree
A shota disguised as a loli
minor ore
Also, is it weird that i know where your pfp is from?
west canyon
hentaihaven?
viscid lintel
Schlott key 1 seems kind useless
old marlin
Well when paired with Shcott key II he's pretty decent
viscid lintel
I’m kinda confused on what it does
Just teleport things from his left to his right hand?
grizzled pilot
secco was just like that
minor ore
yeah but he didn't have an open chest and like uhh the device that forces your mouth open
he had like strings or something
along here
old marlin
Thats Jorge Joestar secco, hes not in part 8
minor ore
awh I was actually wondering if that was some part 8 stuff
since I heard part 8 is extra bizarre
minor ore
just came here to say fuck joshu gn
old marlin
I respect your opinion
old marlin
Favorites (so far) list
A lot of this is just based off Design
26 stands wow
Jojolion doesnt feel like it has that many
primal grove
that's weekly releases for you
analog ether
*monthly
primal grove
oopsie, yeah, that's what i meant
zenith shale
a cigarette punches a guppy's hand
Head doctor in bus
gappi accidentally kills a person
minor ore
...are those spoilers for next chapter?
zenith shale
tender geyser
I hope we get harvest or another colony stand before JoJolion ends
We've already seen really interesting ones like sex pistols and FF
grizzled pilot
we got Autumn Leaves
mossy robin
Les Feulles or whatever?
void viper
Isn’t shakedown road a colony stand
mossy robin
The spelling of that is horrible.
grizzled pilot
it's also incorrect
i cannot imagine for the life of me why they translated Autumn Leaves as french or whatever
mossy robin
I know it's incorrect that's to show how bad the spelling is.
Feullis.
Fuilles.
Feelers.
Freakers.
zenith shale
void viper
New chapter?!?!!?!!!’n
minor ore
Is it translated?
zenith shale
yeah
zenith shale
||FUN FUN FUN COMING BACK||
primal grove
ARAKI NEVER FORGETS
zenith shale
mossy robin
AAAAAA.
minor ore
YES
HOLY SHIT
ARAKI NEVER FORGETS
HE BROUGHT BACK THE WALL EYES BOYS
Omae wa mou... shindeiru
I’m having a feeling
This is another doppio type thing
mossy robin
Pu-rururururu~!
minor ore
Yes
I actually wouldn’t be surprised
Head doctor is tooru
And tooru is head doctor
I've been saying it ever since the HD reveal
grizzled pilot
this chapter rules
minor ore
I actually thought araki would kill off yasuho here
I felt a tension of her in the middle of the street
Maybe if she got hit, got hurt then she was vulnerable by the head doctor in the recovery
That would be cool
mossy robin
Jacuzzi man more like.
Rockman.
primal grove
araki coming in hot
minor ore
Tooru has kids with yasuho
But oh wait
Transforms into head doctor
“Old doctor fucks pink haired teen”
What made it obvious?
I didn't pay attention to the hints
how he showed up so quickly right after the doctor left
But the bus would have to stop
But one thing, does the doctor teleport objects
I think they're the doppio/diavolo equivalent but in different bodies
Last chapter they were both seen at the same time
Oh hm
Unless they found a way to split bodies in half
Maybe they were one
It’s crazy to think
Like araki is drawing rn
As we speak
Probsbly
Nah he's probably taking a break
Yeah he take nap now
Sleepy boi
When araki dies I’m going to Japan for his funeral
Catch me there
Imma go dressed as joshu
“Is he really 89 years old”
Keeps being repeated
Hm
I can't wait for his legit face reveal
This one felt a bit half assed
minor ore
Is he a man of the jacuzzi or a man of the land?
Man....
Do you guys think he's an ally since he used to be friends with Kira? Or an enemy?
he seems different now
like his skin is darker i think
and he's missing his fingers