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#jojolion
minor ore
Here it seems to be dimensional changes
So it's not specific
Too op powers are boring
But I think it will be yet another dimensional change stand
Frost
pearl wave
I thought made in heaven was cool
pearl wave
I don't want another alt dimension stand
hollow forge
Caato?
knotty moat
i still think kaato will be main villain
minor ore
The card one
pearl wave
she's the wife giorno
minor ore
Also i just brought up a good point
pearl wave
I don't think you've gotten to her yet
hollow forge
ah
minor ore
the last time it had a time theme
hollow forge
The one that got outa prison
minor ore
this one might have a dimensional change theme
pearl wave
I'm hoping it doesn't
pearl wave
I want something new, not just another dimension or time ability
knotty moat
i mean kaato's stand does technicaly fuck with space
pearl wave
well I mean, it's kind of like enigma's stand from part 4
knotty moat
i think theres just an overall main villain stand them of time, space, or dimensional
pearl wave
oh wait, enigma WAS the stand
minor ore
If Caato isn't the main villain then jojolion sucks
Hoping part 9 just has araki as a stand for the lulz
idk
everyone loses to that
pearl wave
I want a main villain with a pumped up version of the hand as their stand
araki just writes in a stand that can dictate what is cool and what is not cool
knotty moat
icey what arc are u on?
knotty moat
oh
pearl wave
wait, you're still on part 5?
minor ore
i don't mind spoilers
knotty moat
u know kaato right?
knotty moat
oh
minor ore
Someone spoiled that for me the moment I got into JoJo
pearl wave
It's hard not to get spoiled that tbh
pearl wave
literally one of the first jojokes you're gonna see "Man resets entire universe using his immense homosexuality"
minor ore
MiH would have been nice to not know
pearl wave
I still thought MiH was cool af though
minor ore
I'll be experiencing the glory of a main villain stand unspoiled for the first time
pearl wave
pucci's death is still super lame though
minor ore
When jojolion gets to that
minor ore
Yeha
pearl wave
I just knew it existed
minor ore
Honestly jojo is something I don't mind spoilers on too much now
pearl wave
but even then, lovetrain aint that cool
knotty moat
i didnt even know love train was a thing until i read sbr
minor ore
Idk why
I guess after MiH I was like whelp
may as well say fuck it
that would have been a good conclusion
but ehh
King Crimson is the only accurate main villain stand
The world isnt a world
Killer queen isnt a queen
pearl wave
MiH was made by dios idea of heaven
kind owlBOT
@pearl wave, Your Gangstar cred is now level 10 !
minor ore
Whitesnake isnt a snake, c-moon wasn't a moon
Yeah mih is right I guess
D4C isn't a dirty deed done dirt cheap and Love Train isn't about love or a train
pearl wave
ultimate kars wasn't a m1 abrahms
minor ore
Dio wasn't the singer
@minor ore Apparently epitaph which means death is predicting time
wait nope
it's not
pearl wave
king crimson is super accurate if you go off of the song lyrics
"Confusion, will be my epitah"
pearl wave
and epitah doesn't mean death btw, it's something made in someones memory like a gravestone
minor ore
About a bomb or something
Still
That doesn't relate to predicting time
But that's not what he asked
pearl wave
I wouldn't say all of them
minor ore
I remember that
pearl wave
Oh lonesome me doesn't talk about ropes
pearl wave
ah
minor ore
But as I just said
And I guess MiH is YET another queen thing
So
It can't
Idk much about Queen
minor ore
I knew more about KC the band than Queen
pearl wave
because c-moon's lyrics have nothing to do with him
minor ore
Just MiH
pearl wave
I like Kc more than queen, but don't know much about them other than their songs
pearl wave
well I mean, all three of his stands could be considered final villain stands in their power
c-moon literally controls the flow of gravity
minor ore
Good to know
pearl wave
oh, sorry
forgot you didn't read it
it won't take away much from it's intro/fight though
minor ore
I was spoiled on a lot
The suckiest one being actually D4C tbh
I wanted to hit my friend in the face
pearl wave
D4C I spoiled for myself so I can't complain, MiH is one I'm pissed I got spoiled though
other than that, having the others spoiled didn't matter all that much
minor ore
D4C would have been a huge wowzer tho tbh
pearl wave
would it?
minor ore
It's my fav stand
pearl wave
I liked the idea that he basically had an infinite number of valentines
but other than that, just typical dimension hopping stuff
pearl wave
part 7 was a bit of a slog for me
was not my favorite to say the least
though it did have some cool fights once you finally got to them
and probably my favorite minor antagonist
knotty moat
part 7 is the best part
pearl wave
part 8 will be the best part once it's finished
pearl wave
and I really don't get why people straight up adore part 7 so much
minor ore
It's ok
pearl wave
you mean once part 9 is done?
pearl wave
It's story isn't all that, but most of the fights were really cool
pearl wave
this man will die while writing part 10
pearl wave
he doesn't age either way
unkempt blade
psyche
pearl wave
yeah
unkempt blade
here's my theory
minor ore
You are wrong I'm afraid
pearl wave
you have forgotten son
minor ore
Part 9 is the end
unkempt blade
you know how in steel ball run d4c gets transferred from user to user
pearl wave
he had rohan write into him "you will not age"
unkempt blade
araki is just going to transfer his ultimate stand [crazy ass ass pulls] to another younger araki from a different dimension
pearl wave
I doubt
pearl wave
?
unkempt blade
i thought king crimson just erases memories for 10 seconds
pearl wave
I don't think that's how erasing time works
minor ore
hmm
pearl wave
it gets rid of a portion of time where he can react to what's happening, but it doesn't actually happen
the anime did a pretty good job of showing it
minor ore
this does make me wish we had a TWOH Diavolo
kind owlBOT
@minor ore, Your Gangstar cred is now level 16 !
minor ore
infinite time erase
pearl wave
you haven't gotten to him, but mandom from part 7 can literally back up time by 6 seconds
I wonder if he could keep chaining it
unkempt blade
no because stands use up "energy" that isn't even explained to detail
pearl wave
ah, right
minor ore
how strong would that be?
pearl wave
not very
minor ore
also this isn't part 8
pearl wave
diavolo wouldn't be able to do anything either
minor ore
I will move down one
pearl wave
can be anything up to part 8
spice crystal
@pearl wave mandom has a 6 second cool down
regardless of ringo’s ‘energy’, it just has a cool down
stark wagon
it's more like he can't go back to a place in time that he already went back
so he has to wait for 6 seconds to pass
sacred totem
ughhhhhhh
I finished reading all the colored volumes
and I wanna read the rest in color
approximately how long would I wait to do this
cosmic frost
hell yeah
hollow forge
I might finish the colored volumes tonight
hollow forge
It was
sacred totem
oh and my fav fight
beatles
what if the beatles had stands too
it would work too
because their stand would be called the beatles
cosmic frost
yoooooooooooooo
sacred totem
and basically what their stand would do is beatle stuff
quiet bear
who is the main antagonist of part 8
white beacon
Still unknown
hollow forge
JoJolion is the most depressing part so far
minor ore
This means that it's been more than 6 months since the beginning of part 8, right?
It's in the Love Love Deluxe arc, iirc it's the only clue to how much time has passed since josuke was born
minor ore
so 70 yo rock human look around 30 (as doctor wu is stated to have 34) then the head doctor has around 130 years?
That means he was born years before the SBR, hmm
hollow forge
Doggystyle is literally Stone Free 2.0
minor ore
It's elastic
hollow forge
Nani?
hollow forge
Huh
minor ore
hollow forge
is Mangadex missing a chapter?
minor ore
No, it's because it's been renamed
Araki named the chapters "Poor Tom and Ozone Baby" while it was coming out
And in the volume's it's named "Ozone Baby's Pressure"
That's why there's a difference in the part number, but it is the continuation
hollow forge
Ah
minor ore
do rock humans not have spines
look at that pose
sleeping pose 5
Well, they do turn 100% into rock when they sleep so maybe it doesn't affect them
i'm rereading the vitamin c arc and damo said this about the fruit growing for 10 months before harvest
So... the fruit is growing that much faster now because of the cactus thingy?
hollow forge
The fuck was that story about the hair clip about
minor ore
yasuho having a shitty life part 90
hollow forge
Lmfao
minor ore
Qing Dynasty
minor ore
Yasuho backstory
minor ore
I barely paid attention
hollow forge
wut
keen furnace
rocke men are just a reference to the pillarmen prove me wrong
oh and that guy in the beginning of part 4
minor ore
Rereading jojolion at a good pace I realized how fast things went down after the first half
I mean, right after damo was killed, Caato came back from jail and Josuke confronted Norisuke about Jobin being the contrabandist of rokakakas
Then Jobin initiated the fight of Blue Hawai and Yasuho & Josuke met Rai, after that we get the Brainstorm fight and just right after the Ozone Baby fight
Then the Doctor Wu thing happened and now we are waiting for next chapter, it feels weird after waiting monthly for the arcs
The first 50 chapters were in the span of six months and now up until chapter 80 we got like what, two weeks max?
hollow forge
Reminder that part five was like three days
minor ore
A week iirc but yeah, things are going pretty fucking quick aside from the monthly wait
granite sedge
The Vitamin C arc was a solid fight.
minor ore
Every fight he's ever been was purely strategic so it's very subjective
In Vitamin C the only thing he did was take Hato outside and tell her the location of Damo, that's all
granite sedge
I'd say Ozone Baby and the latest fight were my favorite fights though. I've always found Jobin and Yasuho more interesting and engaging characters than Josuke, and that extends to their battles.
Josuke is still cool, I just never connected to him like I did most of the other Jojos.
knotty mango
I mean he hasnt really used his stand creatively
granite sedge
Soft and Wet just feels like it does whatever the plot needs it to at the time.
minor ore
He only used his stand creatively, that's why most of his fights aren't that "dynamic"
knotty mango
How so?
minor ore
Soft & Wet is Golden Experience, the more you think about it the bs it gets
But it's fun, who cares
hollow forge
Part 8 as a whole is weird
knotty mango
Part 8 isnt like any other part i’ll give it that
granite sedge
I know people throw the "it does whatever it needs to" complaint at Gold Experience a lot, but I always found Soft and Wet a way worse offender.
knotty mango
Maybe i’m just not enjoying it because there are no color scans
minor ore
I believe it feels different because: 1) we are reading it before it's complete; 2) Araki is going with his "i want a mistery part" all the way through and not just giving up in the middle of it to be more like a Shonen
granite sedge
It went from "bubbles that steal physical traits and the abstract" to "bubbles that conveniently do whatever Josuke needs them to".
hollow forge
Soft and Wet’s ability is literally made to do what it needs to
minor ore
Don't forget the whole "they are not bubbles, but hair spinning really fast"
granite sedge
I'm kind of hoping that goes somewhere interesting.
If Araki wanted to, he could easily tie that into part 7 and the spin.
minor ore
Karera controls hair, i'll leave it at that.
granite sedge
Karera is just Yukako but weirder.
hollow forge
Remember when the plant appraisal guy who I can’t spell the name of looked at Josuke’s bubbles?
he said it wasn’t a bubble
minor ore
At least she was more charismatic in her 2 appearances than Yukako in a whole part
hollow forge
But some kinda cord thing
hollow forge
so idk where that’s going
granite sedge
Yukako was just "why is she here again".
hollow forge
Or if it’ll go there again
minor ore
Maybe Araki will make it connect to something
It's too late into the part to just throw the idea there and do nothing about it so there's probably something there
granite sedge
I feel like there's going to be some kind of tie-in to part 7.
minor ore
Implying the whole Johnny backstory didn't do it yet
granite sedge
Josuke could feasibly use the spin to power up if that's actually how Soft and Wet works, but how that would happen is a complete mystery.
hollow forge
Y’all remember the wall eyes
granite sedge
Araki doesn't.
minor ore
Araki will
hollow forge
personally I’m hoping that if he doesn’t address it in part 8
He picks it up in part nine
granite sedge
Honestly, I fully expect part 9 to blow away even part 8 in terms of weirdness.
Chances are it'll be alt Stone Ocean, which was already the weirdest part until Jojolion.
minor ore
Each part is an individual story that's conclusive in on itself, so I doubt this part is a whole backstory for part 9
hollow forge
I hope part nine is more Vento Aureo than Stone Ocean
or maybe a combo of the two
Idfk
granite sedge
I almost feel like the main concept of Vento Aureo got used here though.
minor ore
I hope Araki ends jojo as a series like Stone Ocean did, but better
granite sedge
Villain running shady organization and we have no idea who they are.
Except this time it's the fruit mafia instead of the regular mafia.
minor ore
Stone Ocean's ending was great if you ignore the entire explanation of how it's happening
hollow forge
I just hope we get at least a wink or a nod towards Giorno
minor ore
We also saw Stone Ocean Jail in Jojolion, that's were Caato was
granite sedge
Except this time it's actually called Stone Ocean instead of Green Dolphin St. Prison.
I think the part 9 Jojo will probably be alt!Jolyne and alt!Giorno at the same time, but probably closer to Jolyne in personality.
granite sedge
The obvious answer is that it'd be Josuke and Yasuho's daughter, but Jojo never goes for the obvious.
I could see the next Jojo being Kyo's kid.
Remember her?
minor ore
Agreed
granite sedge
Araki didn't.
hollow forge
Part 9 will be the most abstract thing in JoJo ever
granite sedge
Personally though, I'm inclined to say that Josuke will survive. He might get split up into Kira and Josefumi again, but he's not flat-out dying.
I'm probably jinxing it, and this is Jojo we're talking about, but would he really kill three Jojos in a row?
minor ore
Kyo "dissappeared" because it's been literally 30+ chapters where we haven't been in the higashikata house (ignoring the whole ozone baby because there she was unconscious)
kind owlBOT
@minor ore, Your Gangstar cred is now level 11 !
granite sedge
Wait, Kyo was in that arc?
granite sedge
Then why did she get retconned out of the Higashikata family photo?
minor ore
Because that was Tsurugi remembering his family
Kyo is just a maid (from his perspective)
granite sedge
Okay, fair enough. I forgot the context of that picture.
minor ore
Also, I'm saying that Gappy is dying because his main goal is to die
Like, he wants the rokakaka to cure holly, yeah
But it's the Josefumi/Kira rokakaka
And we know how that ended
Besides, how would the normal Rokakaka help Holly? Just fix her brain and destroy her body?
granite sedge
Something I think would be interesting (and completely out of left field, but it's still part 8 we're talking about) is if Kaato ate the Josefumi/Kira Rokakaka to fuse with Holly and gain some absolutely ridiculous Stand.
I've had a theory that Holly knows more/is more suspicious than we think, and I think that would be an interesting way to validate my theory.
minor ore
I... don't think that's too far from what could happen actually.
After all, Doctor Wu confirmed that Holly created the Research Lab of the Rokakaka, and she's the same age as Caato
Both being friends would connect every plotline together
knotty moat
that legitemately might happen
granite sedge
They're both very suspicious and have a fair amount of villain flags, all things considered.
knotty moat
ye
granite sedge
It makes perfect sense with everything if they knew each other and were working together.
minor ore
Yes, but I don't think Holly is a villain tho
She is probably just being used
That would explain why she got the disease, they wanted to silence her or something
granite sedge
At the very least we do know that Holly has a Stand and that she created the Rokakaka Research Lab.
The only thing that a Kaato-Holly partnership wouldn't solve is a motive.
That's literally the only thing we don't have to make Kaato a convincing villain.
She has everything else for the part, but why would she do it?
knotty moat
maybe to take down norisuke
minor ore
Caato and Jobin have the same life views, both contradict Norisuke
knotty moat
i really fucking hope that kaato-holly is the main villain
minor ore
Caato wanted to expand the business so she teamed up with Holly (because she's intelligent + maybe childhood friends who knows) and started to research this new fruit without Norisuke knowing
Somehow the Rock humans got involved and Holly realised the whole thing was too sketchy, then Caato teamed up with the Rock Humans and they both silenced Holly by making her sick
but that's just a theory
a tin-foil hat theory
granite sedge
Something else that could be interesting is if Norisuke did know.
But for whatever reason, he hasn't said anything up until this point.
Possibly because it would endanger his family.
minor ore
Maybe he didn't give a fuck because she was in jail anyway? And now that she's out it's too risky
One thing is sure, he doesn't know/want to admit that Jobin is with her
granite sedge
Norisuke hasn't been a significant villain candidate for some time, but something that I find interesting is how, even though we've seen what he claims is the full scope of King Nothing's ability, we have no actual stats for it.
Given Norisuke's philosophy on Stands, he may well be pulling a Jobin and hiding his Stand's full potential from everyone.
minor ore
Then he would have made something against Damo
hollow forge
HOLT SHIIIIIIT
granite sedge
Whatever King Nothing's theoretical real ability is, it probably still involves the puzzle pieces.
hollow forge
I just finished chapter 83
granite sedge
Which suggests that King Nothing, even if it has something else to it, is inherently a very bad matchup against Vitamin C.
It may just be that he couldn't do anything even if he wanted to.
minor ore
@hollow forge need a shoulder to cry on?
minor ore
I guess it could be true, but I feel like Araki wants to avoid the "stands doing asspulls" thing. Mostly because Speed King was already stated to have a hidden ability
granite sedge
Norisuke having some kind of confrontation with Jobin and/or Kaato has been too heavily foreshadowed for him to die here.
I'm betting there's something else going on. Some kind of trick with Paper Moon King.
hollow forge
Honestly
The confrontation probably did happen
But we just didn’t get to see it yet
minor ore
Maybe he did have that confrontation and they just sent Tsurugi to clean the mess?
hollow forge
To me it felt like she found the body
minor ore
I know that having your hand cut is the least dead a jojo character could ever be, but still
he*
granite sedge
Honestly? If that is the case, and they sent Tsurugi to clean up...
Tsurugi is a goner.
Jojo typically doesn't kill kids, at least not on-screen, but that could change.
hollow forge
Half the family is gonna die probably
granite sedge
Norisuke, Jobin, and Kaato are complete goners.
No doubt about it.
Tsurugi could be.
hollow forge
And most likely it’s only gonna be the likable ones
granite sedge
Maybe Joshu.
minor ore
I honestly think Tsurugi will make Jobin take a turn against Caato, if that's how things went
granite sedge
But I don't see Hato or Daiya kicking the bucket at least.
granite sedge
Who does?
minor ore
Tsurugi will have a breakdown in front of his father and he(jobin) will realise how fucked up things got, even for the goal of being millionaires
hollow forge
True
granite sedge
I do think that no matter what happens, Jobin Higashikata is a dead man walking.
He is not walking out of part 8 alive.
kind owlBOT
@granite sedge, Your Gangstar cred is now level 18 !
minor ore
Sadly, I feel the same way
granite sedge
It really is a shame, given that he's probably the most interesting character in Jojolion.
minor ore
Norisuke, Jobin, Joshu (hopefully), Yasuho/Gappy are 100% dead
granite sedge
Jobin and Yasuho are my favorites from this part, and it's popular opinion that they're both goners.
Even if I will maintain that Yasuho survives until we see a body.
minor ore
I kind of hope that a Caato-Holly fusion happens, because that would mean Gappy doesn't have to kill himself for his mother and then Yasuho could die instead of him
Even tho Yasuho deserves better
granite sedge
Yasuho deserves to live.
I have never been more certain that any character in Jojo deserves life more than her.
minor ore
Rai is going to live too, no way Araki is killing his second self-insert character
knotty moat
i think norisuke is gonna die
minor ore
If he's not already dead, he will die shortly after whatever thing is Tsurugi going to do
granite sedge
Norisuke has been a dead man walking since his first appearance, honestly.
minor ore
Yeah, although it being predictable doesn't make it less sad
granite sedge
Yeah, Norisuke is a good guy and deserves better.
knotty moat
bro i wish daiya couldve been the one to die smh
granite sedge
It's always been more about the "how" and "when" than the "will he or won't he die".
granite sedge
I don't see the entire family dying. I could see a member of the next generation of the family being part 9's Jobro.
knotty moat
ye
knotty moat
NO
granite sedge
Oh dear god no.
knotty moat
DONT
minor ore
THE DARKEST TIMELINE
knotty moat
IF THAR HAPPENS IM NEVER GONNA READ PART 9
minor ore
UNCLE JOSHU DOING THE SPEEDWAGON ROLE
knotty moat
yo cael i love your pfp btw
granite sedge
NO
knotty moat
GOD
granite sedge
NO NO NO NO NO
knotty moat
NO
granite sedge
Also, thank you.
knotty moat
JOSHU AS SPEEDWAGON IS WORSE THAN DAIYA X GAPPY
minor ore
Agreed
granite sedge
Please, just... no more Joshu after part 8.
knotty moat
what if gappy dies
granite sedge
We've suffered enough.
knotty moat
joshu and daiya both need to just die
minor ore
gappy is 75% dead if you ask me
granite sedge
In that case, Kyo and some nobody are the 9th Jojo's parents.
minor ore
kyo and joshu
hollow forge
Rai is probably gonna die
granite sedge
NO
minor ore
kyo and rai
knotty moat
kyo and joshu
granite sedge
I could actually kind of see that.
knotty moat
rai is most likely gonna die
hollow forge
I think he’s the jobro of part 8
granite sedge
Oh god.
minor ore
i will burn araki's summer house if he makes rai relevant in part 9
granite sedge
Not this again.
hollow forge
He is the exception
minor ore
👏 if 👏 you 👏 think 👏 rai 👏 is 👏 jojolion's 👏 jobro 👏 instead 👏 of 👏 yasuho 👏 you 👏 are 👏 worst 👏 than 👏 a 👏 part 👏 skipper
knotty moat
oof
minor ore
don't @ me
granite sedge
That's a fact.
Also, I always thought Speedwagon was the part 1 Jobro.
And he didn't die either.
knotty moat
oh shit i forgot about speedwagon temporarily
minor ore
Either him or William Zeppeli
knotty moat
ceaser, kakyoin, bruno, ermes, and gyro all died
granite sedge
That's true.
Some people think Polnareff was the part 3 Jobro, but those people are wrong.
minor ore
implying foo fighters isn't the part 6 jobro
granite sedge
FF was the part 6 Jobro until she died, and then Ermes took over because... uh...
She and Jolyne heckled an alligator once?
minor ore
Works for me
granite sedge
Actually, I did really love that scene.
Two women heckling an alligator with a literal child driving the car is the most Florida thing ever.
knotty moat
true
minor ore
If Okuyasu survived part 4, Yasuho can survive part 8
Now that I think about it, Yasuho is the best combination of Koichi and Okuyasu there could ever be
knotty moat
inb4 yasuho dies
granite sedge
God, Yasuho deserves way better than the crap she gets from the fandom.
knotty moat
ye
granite sedge
People think Rai is the Jobro instead of her, people think she dies...
Cut the girl some slack.
minor ore
Yasuho is the best jojo woman character ever written besides Lucy Steel and Jolyne
granite sedge
I think she's probably in my top ten by now. I haven't written down a list lately, but she'd be very high up.
knotty moat
if it werent for johnny's death i would be convinced that yasuho lives
granite sedge
Honestly, Jolyne is one of the best-written Jojo characters as a whole.
knotty moat
ye
minor ore
could you imagine golden wind ending with a preview of stone ocean
just jolyne in her cell masturbating
granite sedge
Honestly, part 5's anime ending with a preview of Jolyne in her cell would actually be really cool.
It'd be a neat homage to the part 3 preview we got at the end of part 2.
minor ore
Exactly
granite sedge
Like father, like daughter.
minor ore
Kind of
minor ore
That Joshu is the worst character besides maybe Shigechi?
hollow forge
so yknow how right before we see Norisuke’s body we get an explanation about stands?
knotty moat
ye
hollow forge
And how their ability can potentially change
minor ore
Yeah
hollow forge
As it shows Tsurugi climbing the stairs
I think that means that Tsurugi is gonna get a new ability, and potentially, he’s the one to kill Norisuke
granite sedge
Tsurugi is still a child, so it's not out of the question for his Stand to not yet be done developing.
minor ore
Control other people's stands
hollow forge
Also
If you reread the chapter
His face had a completely blank expression when he was dragging the body bag
granite sedge
If that's the case, what if Tsurugi turned King Nothing against Norisuke and used those puzzle pieces to kill him?
minor ore
inb4 Tsurugi used Nut King Call to distract Hato, and Awaking III Leaves to move the door that killed the kid
granite sedge
Implying we'll ever get to see Awaking III Leaves again.
hollow forge
Reminder Norisuke’s ex wife
granite sedge
Aka our biggest main villain candidate.
spiral hemlock
its definitely tsurugi that develops a new stand
minor ore
If Caato doesn't appear next chapter I swear to god araki
granite sedge
She has to become relevant soon.
hollow forge
What if that guy in Josuke’s vision at the beginning of the part?
granite sedge
Araki said that the climax of the story would be soon after the Doctor Wu arc, right?
hollow forge
What if that’s the head doctor
minor ore
Yep
granite sedge
Ah.
hollow forge
he said he was gonna wrap it up after that arc
granite sedge
I just remembered something very interesting.
spiral hemlock
depends what soon means for araki
minor ore
Flashback guy might just be nothing at this point tbh
granite sedge
Rock humans change their appearance every 6 years, right?
spiral hemlock
really?
granite sedge
If I recall correctly.
If that were the case, flashback guy could be a previous appearance of Damo.
They definitely have design elements in common.
minor ore
I sent this earlier
If it where Damo, how did Josefumi and Kira got to see him that way?
granite sedge
We saw that flashback through Josuke's memories, right? Back in the Vitamin C arc?
minor ore
No, the flashback guy was back in the Fun Fun Fun arc
It appeared when the guy with Fun Fun Fun was defeated and showed Gappy a photo of Kira
hollow forge
He might have just been a whole, “Josuke will in fact get his memories back” thing
granite sedge
No, I mean the flashback where Josefumi and Kira's backstory was revealed.
Wasn't Damo there?
Or am I remembering wrong?
minor ore
Ah yeah
The whole Vitamin C arc goes back and forth with Damo attacking the Higashikata Household and Josefumi & Kira meeting each other and stealing the rokakaka
granite sedge
Was Damo in that flashback with Josefumi and Kira?
minor ore
Damo killed them both so yeah
granite sedge
If so, it could be that at the time, Damo really did look like flashback guy. Would you really dismiss the idea that Josuke simply remembered wrong and saw Damo as his current self in that flashback?
minor ore
But he was the same, because they died 6 months before current timeline
spiral hemlock
i just want to see gappy get crazy diamond and revert the equivalent exchange
granite sedge
He didn't remember Damo as his current self because Kira and Josefumi never saw that iteration of Damo.
At the beginning, I mean.
knotty moat
i think damo was flashback guy and he just a design change (kinda like mitsuba)
spiral hemlock
yeah
minor ore
It doesn't make sense, Damo was shown having the exact same design as he has now
spiral hemlock
damo was the guy from the boat fight and the boyfriend fight yeah?
minor ore
Yes
granite sedge
Like I said though, Josuke could have been remembering wrong. He was only ever personally familiar with Damo's current design.
So he may have seen flashback Damo as current Damo, when in reality it was the guy we saw at the beginning.
Josuke has a tenuous grasp on a lot of his memories as it is.
minor ore
The problem with that theory is that Josuke doesn't really have that flashback, we as the reader's do
Damo tells everything to Josuke but he didn't get his memories back, he just got told what happened
granite sedge
Okay, that is definitely an issue.
Alternatively the flashback guy could be Jobin. Flashback dude has a lot of similarities to both Jobin and Damo.
It could just be a simple design change.
spiral hemlock
i doubt it
minor ore
Hmmm, going back to the caato-holly being friends theory, would it make sense that Kira saw young Jobin?
spiral hemlock
araki wouldnt wait this long and his stand is too weak
minor ore
And that's what he remembered, flashback guy as young Jobin
spiral hemlock
literally canon
minor ore
That's a fact
spiral hemlock
yasuho is truly a reliable girl
minor ore
I hope Walking Heart appears again, hopefully Araki makes Hato relevant
Not to the plot but at least give her another fight
granite sedge
Josuke/Yasuho is the best Jojo ship and that's just a fact.
spiral hemlock
yeah its actually a cool stand
granite sedge
And yeah, Hato and her Stand are honestly pretty cool.
spiral hemlock
joshu's stand is sick too
granite sedge
I think it would be nice if we got a fight with the entire Higashikata family vs Jobin or Kaato.
spiral hemlock
theyre both too weak
granite sedge
From what we've seen.
spiral hemlock
if you had the entire family on one side i doubt many people could beat them
granite sedge
But it's been clearly stated that Speed King is capable of quite a bit more than we've seen, and we've literally only seen Kaato's Stand once, for a brief moment.
Who knows what those two are capable of?
Joshu and Hato are the only members of the Higashikata family whose Stands are particularly good for combat. The rest have support-oriented abilities.
minor ore
I honestly doubt there will be a major fight with multiple stands, the only one that would attack before trying to argue is Joshu and even he will probably be shocked at Norisuke's death
spiral hemlock
i honestly think tsurugi could beat the entire family if given a stand upgrade
minor ore
Yes
I just thought that maybe that's what they are planning?
If Tsurugi does control other people's stands, it wouldn't be difficult for him to stop any higashikata family before a fight could happen
granite sedge
Paper Moon King is honestly ridiculous.
minor ore
Maybe a Silver Chariot Requiem situation?
spiral hemlock
i think the upgrade might be something like getting people to off themselves
knotty moat
Wasnt tsurugi the second higashikata family member to kill someone?
spiral hemlock
kind of like the monsters in birdbox
minor ore
Tsurugi being used by his father and grandmother to stop the rest of the family from intervening in their plans
granite sedge
I feel like if Tsurugi used it right, the only characters who could actually defeat him would be Jobin and Kaato. I could see both of them finding ways to circumvent the mechanics of Paper Moon King.
If Tsurugi did get an upgrade, it still probably works with the origami.
spiral hemlock
making people into origami
lol
the new chapter comes out on the 18th this month right?
knotty moat
Ye
minor ore
I could see that, Tsurugi being this innocent and manipulated overpowered kid that gets used by Jobin and Caato
knotty moat
Paper moon king is overpowered as fuck
spiral hemlock
yeah
minor ore
If that's the case, he's 100% going to breakdown and turn them down too
spiral hemlock
yasuho and gappy only "won" because he just decided to stop using it
knotty moat
His """""""""""prank"""""""""""" on yasuho almost fucking killed her
And aisho didnt stand a chance at all
minor ore
I still laugh at Aisho's death
spiral hemlock
i forgot all of these characters
minor ore
Time for a reread
granite sedge
Honestly, part 8 has some pretty solid side villains. Yotsuyu, Aisho, Damo, and Wu were all pretty good.
knotty moat
Ye
minor ore
They've all been good because they're tied very neatly
We've got so much backstory for all of them
knotty moat
I felt bad for aisho tbh
spiral hemlock
the blue lagoon fight pretty good too
knotty moat
Ye
spiral hemlock
honestly the part is really dark when you look at it as a whole
minor ore
Yasuho getting the chance to finally do something was nice
granite sedge
Part 8 is honestly up there with part 5 in terms of its side villains.
minor ore
thx araki for not making her act unconsciously for once
spiral hemlock
not sure about that
granite sedge
It doesn't beat part 5 in that regard, but it's definitely second place in that regard.
A lot of parts have weak side villains.
Remember the chocolate disco guy?
spiral hemlock
yeah i agree with that
kind owlBOT
@spiral hemlock, Your Gangstar cred is now level 4 !
granite sedge
It's okay, we all have unpopular opinions.
knotty moat
I really didnt expect aisho's death
granite sedge
Aisho was honestly a pretty decent guy.
knotty moat
Ye
granite sedge
He was a good guy on the wrong side.
knotty moat
Aisho was the least evil out of the rock humans but at the same time he did try and kill a child
minor ore
He didn't know tho
granite sedge
Wasn't his Stand automatic?
knotty moat
Oh shit youre roght
minor ore
He just attacked the stand that was pursuing him
minor ore
The moment he realized it was Jobin's kid he kind of stopped
minor ore
Is Magenta Magenta still alive?
knotty moat
Yes
granite sedge
Aisho sadly did have to die though, given that every major character besides Yasuho and Norisuke are probably goddamn sociopaths who like to be violent to their opponents.
spiral hemlock
gappy is goin thru some shit tho
knotty moat
Accurate
granite sedge
Josuke gives Giorno a run for his money in terms of how aggressively cruel he is to enemies.
spiral hemlock
his violence is excused
well yeah
like how dio is half jonathan
gappy is half kira
or half josuke
knotty moat
I feel like damo and the a phex brothers were the most evil rock humans
granite sedge
From what we've seen, part 8 Kira is substantially better than part 4 Kira, but he's still a creep and an asshole.
minor ore
I guess you get desensitize when every enemy is A) trying to kill you and B) not human
spiral hemlock
i like how josukes design is half josuke and half okuyasu as well
knotty moat
Everybody in part 8 except for tsurugi, damo, dolomite, urban guerilla, and poor tom are hot
granite sedge
You forgot Joshu.
spiral hemlock
even some of the rock humans? lol
joshu would be fine if he got a normal haircut
he is related to daiya so he can not be ugly
granite sedge
Okay, that's true. It's just the haircut that's bad.
minor ore
Doctor Wu is the hottest side villain in all of jojo
minor ore
He's cute not that much hot
knotty moat
Melone is the hottest imo
granite sedge
I always thought Prosciutto and Risotto were up there, personally.
minor ore
Also, you forgot to exclude Dolomite and Brainstorm guy
minor ore
Manga Rissotto is hotter than Anime Rissotto and that is a fact
granite sedge
Yeah, that is true.
knotty moat
True
knotty moat
v e r y kind
spiral hemlock
gives him a bit more establishment yeah
knotty moat
Illuso is cute too
granite sedge
Illuso had Yasuho hair before Yasuho was a thing.
spiral hemlock
i want to see SBR version of giorno
knotty moat
Same
minor ore
A Giorno situation can't happen tho, Diego didn't steal Johnny's body
Although I wouldn't doubt Johnny having an affair
spiral hemlock
some sort of diego bloodline
spiral hemlock
araki could just make it so diego got a woman pregnant before the race
minor ore
and then...?
100+ years a mix between a brando and a joestar?
holy shit a brando and a joestar having a child
minor ore
I'm confused about this part of the timeline, shouldn't we be in Feburary 2012 right now?
August 19 - Josefumi and Kira died
Three days later - Josuke is discovered
Six months after Josefumi & Kira's death - Damo attacks the house and is killed
Six months after August 2011 should be February 2012
white beacon
Yeah I think so
minor ore
The tower is an extremely underrated stand
spiral hemlock
do you mean superfly ?
white beacon
he might mean Tower Of Gray
robust ibex
i mean, id smash
mossy robin
Paisley Park master race.
robust ibex
but can she beat booty blues?
mossy robin
Yes.
long flax
We all know the sun is the best stand
robust ibex
its invincible
long flax
and has air conditioning
minor ore
Am I the only one who doesn't like jojolion's color scans
outer whale
Am I the only one wondering about the bite marks?
outer whale
Please let the walleyes have a black saboth type stand
white beacon
wall eyes aren't living though..?
unless araki somehow makes it so that they are actually living things, that's why they are like that
minor ore
Weird, isn't this where it was stated that "Speed King still has a hidden ability"?
Now it just says that the Higashikata family doesn't know the ability's true nature
better scans
minor ore
I guess? Although you could say the same for* every of their stands
Since Norisuke stated that they don't know about each others' stands
outer whale
"They (stands) are implicit and never brought up in conversation."
Dislodges tongue and licks his sister
I wish the bite marks would be at least remotely explained, since only Jesus and an alien space virus makes stands stand
minor ore
Wall Eyes are just Devil's Palm 2
Bite marks are the aftermath of being chosen to become a stand user
outer whale
It's an awfully weird an specific aftermath
white beacon
joshu was gonna get his stand some point in the story anyways, cuz all the higashikatas have one
minor ore
If you believe the zombie jesus theory you could explain why it's bite marks
Still it's not out of the norm for Araki to not explain this kind of things
outer whale
He forgot already 
hollow forge
I love this page
minor ore
That's my phone wallpaper
tidal oak
Badass
hollow forge
Oh fuck that’s a good idea
outer whale
Killer Queen worked great with Kir4, but I don't know how I feel about them and Kira from part 8
mossy robin
He uses it just a bit better, I think.
Sheer Heart Attack at least.
minor ore
hollow forge
Honestly the worst stand name imo
burnt kite
There are worse, like the twins stand names
white beacon
Schott Key
burnt kite
yep, that whole part with them was probably one of the worst stand battles in the part
kind owlBOT
@burnt kite, Your Gangstar cred is now level 1 !
pearl wave
vitamin c is still my least favorite because it's just a greasy fat man
the idea of having all those greazy fingerprints and handprints around a house makes me wanna die
hollow forge
Oh fuck
pearl wave
strong stand, but for that reason, I'm out
pearl wave
yeah
burnt kite
He's got that chonky necc tho
quiet bear
Who's the main antagonist of part 8 again?
minor ore
Damn
quiet bear
I don't know myself
white beacon
No one yet
dusk stone
We need a Kira Josefumi lightnovel
quiet bear
Kira x josefumi
minor ore
They literally only teamed for the branches tho
dusk stone
Or maybe even just a Kira litenovel
minor ore
I'd like that
dusk stone
As much as I like P4 Kira as a villain, P8 Kira is a really good side character that I wish got more development
hollow forge
What if it was Tsurugi
I mean, he might be an antagonist of some sort based on the last chapter
minor ore
Yeah he's a creepy kid
hollow forge
Also
hollow forge
That shit about a change in the heart meaning a new stand ability
Like, the specific panel that was on
minor ore
hollow forge
Showed Tsurugi walking up the stairs
hollow forge
So I feel if anyone’s gonna get a new ability it’s him
hollow forge
And cuz of that stone cold face, I don’t think he’s gonna be an ally anymore
R.I.P. Norisuke
minor ore
His stand was used once
ACTUALLY
I HAVE HOPE
That this next arc will bring back the family
And all of their stands
Norisuke died a week from where we are
This will be more about internal conflicts in the family
I'm sure of it
The last rock human we know of is the head doctor
hollow forge
Can I just ask why the fuck Joshu licked his sister’s ear?
minor ore
We don't know if it was Joshu
Joshu is a pervert
There's a theory that it was Tsurugi
hollow forge
it was totally Joshu
minor ore
Also i wish that Kira was somehow brought back to life but we saw his corpse
Joshu was genuinely confused and Tsurugi stepped on the tongue later
Maybe through rokakaka
hollow forge
There was a tongue on the ground
minor ore
Yeah I know
It was his stand
But Tsurugi was being suspicious
I'd say Tsurugi's stand evolved to contrl other stands
hollow forge
And his tongue was off
minor ore
He stepped on the tongue with stone cold eyes
Like he used A3L to push the gates and crush the girl
While Joshu had no clue what's happening
We know he likes girls
So he prolly wanted to lick on his aunt
It's not a Joshu thing to lie about the fucked up shit he does
hollow forge
minor ore
He always admits it
hollow forge
true....
spice crystal
tsurugi did it
hollow forge
Joshu is fucked up
minor ore
His stand is out of contrl
Paper Moon King act 2
He asked to suck his mom's tits in public why would he lie about that
hollow forge
We do need more act stands
We’ve only ever gotten two
We also need more suit stands
Again, there’s only been two
outer whale
One of the most fun things is that Noryuske planned on sacrificing his life in place of Tsurgi and many people forget that... This might as well be a red herring instead of foreshadowing
minor ore
That is so heartbreaking
He even said that to him
That when the time comes he will protect him
Yotsuyu did say someone from higashikata family will betray them all
hollow forge
Oh shit
outer whale
Maybe that's what we saw and all of this is just according to his plan
minor ore
I beleive rokakaka smuggling organisation and research are both connected
also I wonder what the rock architect meant by "The one whose actions are correct is Tsurugi Higashikata"
Research wants to turn it into money by getting clients and the other ones just want money
outer whale
And Josuke being the character he is, this might end up in a dual morality scenario just like the end of sbr...
outer whale
I don't like this JoJo but God am I excited to see how the finale will unfold
minor ore
and S&W breaks down
and then KQ emerges and we get
BAKUDAN NO DAISAN
BITES ZA DUSTO
outer whale
Araki forgot about that probs
minor ore
What are S&W stats again?
what about Josuke's bubbles being really fast strings
@minor ore inaccurate
I think it has A in development?
Either that or D
lol stand stats
outer whale
Soft and Wet is OP
I hope we get more speed king action... Actually every 'king' stand action, love the whole family
outer whale
Nut king call... Love that stand and love that creepy bastard
minor ore
yea
Milagro Man was good for Joshu's character
Still don't get how people knew how it was the money from Milagro
Esp since he's from Higashikata family and they are pretty rich
outer whale
His character makes a lot of sense, he never does something evil unprovoked, all he is doing, in his eyes, is protecting his family and friends
minor ore
Yea
So Doggy Style's full power is still unknown same as jobin
Or atleast that's what the wiki told me
outer whale
You mean stone free?
outer whale
What is with Araki and the string-string logia devil fruit?
outer whale
Devilish old man
minor ore
Just 12 more days
spice crystal
shes fuckin weird
minor ore
she brainwashed and almost raped gappy
I wouldn't mind
I just noticed that Jobin complained about the University Hospital being a competition to the fruit parlor, huh
foreshadowing
This is when he teamed up with Damo and his group, so he was aware of the research group the entire time
Well, maybe not the research group but the University dealing with the Rokakaka
dense spoke
Is this gonna end soon
minor ore
20 chapters would be 22 months, because Araki always takes one (or more) month breaks per year