Gappy is quickly becoming my favorite jojo and 8 my fav part
#jojolion
hardy hull
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knotty moat
Is jojolion any good?
opal schooner
i like it
stark wagon
It's great
ripe marlin
It's really good
minor ore
Does anyone remember how much time passed between the vitamin c flashbacks and the start of Jojolion?
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minor ore
I don't even remember if it was stated
craggy belfry
the wiki says August 19, 2011
for when Kira/Josefumi fight Damo
I don't know exactly when Josuke was found though
and the earthquake apparently began in March of that year
so not sure if that's an inconsistency or if Josuke was just found much later
scenic magnet
you tellin me old boy was in the fucking dirt for almost a whole damn year?
rocky charm
It's not an inconsistency
The Wall Eyes sprang up after the earthquakes, but they just stuck around forever
Josuke could've been buried at any time
minor ore
Doctor Wu is a really good song
knotty sigil
Y’all we got a new chapter AND the first OST drop from part 5 on Wednesday
I’m ultra hyped
elder marlin
yeah
kind owlBOT
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elder marlin
Araki didn't pull any punches with the Bizarre on this part, did he?
rocky charm
What's the last Stand you read?
rocky charm
HAHAHAHA
elder marlin
white beacon
uhhh, prolly stands
cuz sugar mountain has the corpse ears
and les fuilles has a visible manifestation
grizzled pilot
Sugar Mountain's Spring
err, that's the tree's stand's name. the tree itself doesn't have one as far as i know
white beacon
some stands don't manifest as something else, just as an ability
so it sitll kinda counts
olive fiber
Jojolion gets wild but I actually really liked it with stands like Shakedown Road and the whole concept of the curse of the Higashikata family
cunning zodiac
Jojolion plays up the psychological horror area of Jojo that you get glimpses of in the other parts
it really sets the atmosphere apart
elder marlin
Kinda like Part 4's "We're fucking around, but also tryna catch those killers" or does Araki drop the fuckery?
grizzled pilot
...kinda
elder marlin
Dis gon b gud
olive fiber
I really like part 8 but I’m dying waiting a month for each chapter
stark wagon
at least we have vento aureo anime for now 
ripe marlin
I've gone from "time to die from waiting a whole month" to "only a month? Lmao fuckin wussies"
olive fiber
This is the first month I’ve had to wait since I just got caught up on part 8 but I imagine as time goes on I’ll have a similar feeling
olive fiber
What do you think of it?
stark wagon
of jojolion?
it's really good
has potential to be one of the best parts but depends a lot on what araki will do next
stark wagon
dude I just love Gappy
but there are plenty of great jojolion characters
Josefumi and Kira are definitely two of my favorites
olive fiber
I think so too, I like the fruit appraiser and I think Jobin is super interesting and I wanna know more about him
olive fiber
Who’s your favorite villain that’s been introduced? And I agree
Although part of me feels like we won’t see Kyo much
stark wagon
Born This Way and Vitamin C are probably the best fights yet in jojolion
my favorite is Tamaki Damo cause of the way his story ties with Josefumi and Kira
We got a lot more on him than other villains
olive fiber
He seems to be the most important villain to the story so far
stark wagon
but Jobin is also fucking great, wait and see if he'll be a fully fledged villain
olive fiber
Part of me thinks he is but didn’t the rock human at the lake also say he was just a gofer?
stark wagon
I think he is rn but he might develop over time
olive fiber
I’m curious to see how Doctor wu and Jobin’s wife are ultimately going to tie in
kind owlBOT
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stark wagon
Araki doesn't seem to want to end this anytime soon
olive fiber
That’s true, how much longer do you think it’s going to go?
stark wagon
no idea
I hope it's not close to the end
otherwise it will probably be underwhelming
olive fiber
Me too, ending it now would be hella rushed I think
stark wagon
speaking of damo
we just got the translated color version of walking heart, breaking heart a few days ago
olive fiber
If I had to guess, assuming he didn’t miss any months, it might finish by 2022
stark wagon
that chapter is fucking amazing
olive fiber
YES
I oughta go read it
I was big upset when the colored version just abruptly stopped
olive fiber
This is a work of art
stark wagon
after this chapter I think jojolion dropped in quality a little bit
didn't enjoy that much Poor Tom and those other two rock humans
olive fiber
I think it did for a bit yeah
I liked everything except Poor Tom
Like seeing Jobin in that arc was really cool
But Poor Tom himself sucked I thought
He was more annoying than anything
And you mean the two rock humans who were brothers?
olive fiber
Ohhhhh that one
That one was not compelling
I didn’t understand why the fruit appraiser even met them on the bus
That seemed weird to me
But after that fight minus Poor Tom in general I liked it
Doctor Wu stuff feels kinda out of place other than showing off more Rokakaka and Jobin’s wife but I think it’s going to play a much bigger role as it develops
olive fiber
I don’t think it is
And some people think that guy who told Josuke where the Rokakaka was will be super important
Yasuho’s ex I think
stark wagon
oh ye
he might even be a villain
definitely important considering the way he dresses
olive fiber
Ye I think he definitely is gonna play a role
What did you think about Johnny’s actions in part 8? It made me big sad to learn the way he died
stark wagon
I liked how he was a selfish prick til the end 
but was nice seeing johnny again
wish we got a bit more on his bloodline and such cause jojolion doesn't have that feel of heritage the rest of JoJo has
olive fiber
I wish we did too, the gap of time is much greater than in any other part I think plus the actions of the former generations don’t have too much effect other than Holly Saving Josefumi and Johnny saving Jorge which would ultimately allow for the bloodline to continue
stark wagon
some other parts like 5 were disconnected too so it's not a big deal but I still miss it
anyway I just really want a villain already
good villains make jojo parts fucking incredible
especially the last 2
olive fiber
Agreed. Araki trolls us super hard and there is no main villain
Part of me thinks Jobin is gonna end up taking the power away from whoever is making him a gofer
minor ore
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/feature/1055 In the last bit of the interview, Araki talks about Jojolion nearing the end
"Finally, I asked the development of Part 8 "Jojororion", which is about to finally climax.
"I do not draw a story while deciding the details finely.I think not while deciding a goal from the beginning but thinking while painting.The whole constitution and each struggle are the same.The stage in the 8th section I will move on to the hospital and I think that the story is going to converge at last. "
Heading for a climax that has not yet been decided, Mr. Araki heads to the desk thinking today and is running a pen."
(Translated by Google so idk how accurate it is)
stark wagon
oh feelsgood
I think with a good buildup this climax and then the ending could be great
minor ore
I feel the same, it really depends on how much time goes between the end of this arc and the end of the part
I think it's safe to assume that this arc is going to be as long as "D4C" in SBR
minor ore
My prediction is that we are going to have a fight with yasuho's ex boyfriend vs josuke and rai, then they're going to reach Mitsuba and Yasuho to find out that they were attacked by the main villain and then some fight/retreat to the higashikata's house
And then the final arc will start or something like that
completely wild guesses that i wouldn't put too much faith in but who knows
cunning zodiac
i really hope so
bc jojolion has been going for a good bit
without a clear main villain
it’s just been a lot of baiting
olive fiber
Are there that many remaining plot points from the past? The only one that comes to mind is that girl who was with Josefumi and Kira before they merged
minor ore
I really hoped that he/she would show up at the end of the Ozon Baby arc but sadly they just ran away
olive fiber
The people in the ambulance? To me that doesn’t seem like a main villain but probably someone closely associated with them
minor ore
- Bites
- The Wall Eyes
- Strange man in Gappy's flashback
- Jobin having another ability
- Karera
- Kyo
- Kaato
minor ore
Yeah I don't think the other one in the ambulance is the main villain but before we knew that they were two I really thought that it would be a cool reveal
minor ore
Maybe Yasuho's ex?
cunning zodiac
that would be funny
stray swallow
oh god lol
olive fiber
It’s possible lol
I wonder how closely related the doctor is to the rest of the rock humans
To me it seemed like he was sorta isolated
But the arc isn’t done so I can’t tell
minor ore
this guy appeared in a flashback in the fun fun fun arc and has never again been mentioned
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cunning zodiac
well, the whole health system seems to be in association with rock humans
olive fiber
That’s true
And was Holly’s loss of pieces of her body ever explained? I think it was hinted that it was the by product of equivalent exchange but not the reason why it happened
stray swallow
i don't think they ever mentioned holly in the hospital arc
minor ore
I honestly feel like Araki has rewritten the rokakaka contrabandists/doctors organizations many times throughout the part and that it doesn't make much sense
olive fiber
It is hard to follow occasionally lol
I know I just read part 8 but I should probably reread it to see if I pick up on more of the details
minor ore
Like at the start of Jojolion, Joubin feels like the head of the organization, then he is like a right hand for Kaato who seems related in some way, and out of nowhere some doctors come up and say that Joubin isn't even a pawn
rocky charm
Aren't the missing piecs of Holly's brain implied to be a byproduct of the Rock Disease?
minor ore
Like he seems really upset at Damo's death but then nothing really happens?
stray swallow
that's kinda implied when yasuho watched the video in the hospital
idk this could be a "araki forgot" moment or it could be araki taking the mystery theme of jojolion way too far
olive fiber
I think it may be more of the second one, so far part 8 has seemed to overwhelm the reader at points with questions to small fragments of answers that lead to more question (other than how equivalent exchange works lmao) and i think that the ending/final arc that part 8 is going to enter soon will either make or break the part. If Araki does it right he’ll end the story in a satisfying way that answers the mystery of it all
rocky charm
I hope it's like Professor Layton where it's just one guy going "OK so here's what happened" for like 10 minutes
minor ore
I honestly hope it's just the problem that reading as it comes up has, and that when I reread it all in one sitting it'll seem well paced and interesting but right now I don't have too much faith
stray swallow
olive fiber
It feels like there’s sorta two sections to part 8 that’s separated by the Damo fight
Things to me felt more cohesive before the Damo fight but now seem to be more and more fragmented again
rich depot
Araki really needs to storyboard these mystery parts
He already knows that he has a bad memory
He shouldn‘t rely on it to make a cohesive story
minor ore
Definitely
Although I don't feel like part 8 has been less cohesive since the Damo fight
rocky charm
Plot twist: Part 8 was ghostwritten by JJ Abrams
minor ore
I feel like Damo just served as a way to end some questions abruptly to let new ones come
olive fiber
I agree
rocky charm
Should I get back to reading so I can find out more about Damo?
I'm on Volume 12 now
minor ore
To me it was the best arc of this part, because it answered multiple questions and made sense of some incongruencies but at the end of the day it really was just a "welp enough time spent wandering around getting nowhere, now let's make the head of the group date Hato just so we can pass on to the next part"
olive fiber
That is true, it was an example of a character coming out of nowhere to move the plot forward
Which could be Yashuo’s ex’s role too
But idk, the most recent hospital arc is really strange to me in that I don’t know what it’s trying to say
Other than the doctors grow Rokakaka
minor ore
I hope it is
It's kind of cheap to do it that way but oh well, it's Araki and he's good at these things so I have faith that part 8 ends in a satisfying way
Also, wasn't Yasuho going to investigate on her rock animal hairclip while Josuke fought Poor Tom?
olive fiber
I believe so
I know it was explained in a flashback and then she found part of it again
In the hospital
Holly took care of her if I remember right
rocky charm
OK so after Volume 13 the mega links don't have Jojolion. Where can I read chapters 55-81?
white beacon
Mangadex
rocky charm
thank
rocky charm
So let's say Josuke impregnates Yasuho
knotty moat
Johnny is hotter than gappy
rocky charm
Yeah
olive fiber
I already like this
knotty moat
Both
olive fiber
^
rocky charm
Do each of their balls retain their sperm or has it mixed like everything else
rocky charm
Like, I assume some of the sperm at least remains belonging 100% to Josefumi and some 100% Kira
Unless he's already worked through enough to get rid of all that sperm
knotty moat
He mightved
minor ore
I'd say it's easier for yasuho to get pregnant with josefumi's dna than kira's
since he kept his dick so it's probably that gappy's is josefumi's
knotty moat
It's now canon that gappy jerked off so hard he changed the dna in his balls
radiant kettle
But since he has 4 balls
Shouldn't Kira's balls produce his DNA and Josefumi's produce his?
It's kinda like
A graft
potent yoke
I love this discussion
knotty moat
No
They're fucking mixed
They're about equal dna so it would be weird to have 2 balls set aside for kira and 2 balls set aside for josefumi instead of everything just being mixed
white beacon
cuz only 2 wouldn't be able to fit the huge load he's carrying
summer tree
Ugh, guess the new chapter isn't leaking early like usual
Guess I'll have to wait for it to release on it's INTENDED day of release I guess
grizzled pilot
olive fiber
Sad hours
knotty moat
Ozon baby
ripe marlin
When has it ever leaked early???
summer tree
Yeah, always came out a few days before
opal schooner
because of josukes 4 balls, will yasuho get twins
fierce night
The next chapter comes out tomorrow right?
opal schooner
Nice Giorno's theme incoming
dense narwhal
So how far in JoJolion do we find out about Johnny’s role? I’m aware of what happened I just don’t know how far in.
rich depot
I love how there‘s a huge convo on Yasuho being impregnated like once a week.
rocky charm
I'm with Dopdop I've never seen this covo before
minor ore
I mean, it's just a matter of time before Yasuho gives birth to the next jojo
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craggy belfry
give me a Yoshikag8 figure now medicos
olive fiber
A Kira and a Josefumi figure would be cool
rocky charm
holY FUCK is this Jolyne 2? https://www.mangadex.org/data/31c34cc302cf5dceee49024222e6aad1/x32.jpg
Oh it's the mom?
SHe'S 52?
white beacon
Just jojo things
rocky charm
I was on Damo yesterday, I didn't make it that much farther
wet talon
what chapter does it show that meme with josuke with a boner
knotty moat
^
fierce night
i checked on hi wa mata noburu and most chapters so far came out on the 18th
so probably the new chapter comes out today
fierce night
yeah
olive fiber
I’m so hyped for the new chapter
Maybe we’ll get a better idea of who Yashuro’s ex is
old marlin
its a definite he's a main character at this point
white beacon
why else would araki introduce a character that has a direct connection with one of the main characters at this point of the story
and design is unique too
minor ore
well he did reintroduce Mitsbua a couple of chapters ago so
white beacon
I want him to not be one
Like, just a regular perp but understands the concept of stands
Like wekapipo
knotty moat
So like hayato?
knotty moat
True
kind owlBOT
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flat vale
cosmic frost
jojolion chapter 82 comes out tomorrow right?
olive fiber
It better
cosmic frost
hell yea
stark wagon
Hype 
olive fiber
I like Gappy and really wanna see where JoJolion is going
rocky charm
@wet talon @knotty moat since no one gave you guys an answer, Josuk8's boner is in Chapter 2, when Yasuho visits him at the hospital
flat vale
rocky charm
Shakedown Road intensifies
olive fiber
It big intensifies
white beacon
Isn't Les Fuilles's user the trees tho
rocky charm
Yeah but they don't control it
It's a publicly owned Stand???
People seem to be able to manipulate where things go
white beacon
Not necessarily owned, the people just kinda understand it enough to take advantage of it
rocky charm
And you can't really take advantage of another person's Stand ability
So I dunno that Stand's just fucking weird
flat vale
Public Domain Stands™
minor ore
minor ore
Is this the right channel to talk about the new chapter?
elfin mist
that new chapter
hooboy
mitsuba seems to be the recent punching bag character
give her a break araki smh
white beacon
now how will she take care of that
at least the other times the petrification wasn't as obvious
summer tree
False nose?
white beacon
AU cinderella?!?!??!
grizzled pilot
so, do yall think the villain is gonna be jobin?
fierce night
i still think its kaato
elfin mist
kaato and jobin are the most likely chances of who we know thus far
but i think tooru may end up being suspicious
grizzled pilot
i still think that would be cooler but new chapter is looking like jobin
elfin mist
watch it be like
fierce night
y tho araki
grizzled pilot
poor tom babey
minor ore
Wu just failed by the way
So he was wrong every time
minor ore
I doubt he's still alive
cosmic frost
i thimk he is now
fierce night
i dont think he can breathe through "cement"
ripe marlin
Oh fuck its out
minor ore
He is not Kars to survive everything
fierce night
but he wouldnt breathe in the pipes either
quote of the day: "I can even enter through your urethras"
fierce night
at first i though he was going to be a villain
but he told josuke where yasuho was
if he were a villain i think he would lie
cosmic frost
i really hope so because boyfriend vs ex boyfriend seems like a very amusing fight
"boyfriend"
minor ore
There are chances that he stays neutral, but this is JoJolion so anything can happen
rich depot
Maybe i‘m losing my mind but I swear his name was Uu Tomoki and not Wu Tomoki
The wall eyes are affecting my B R A I N
white beacon
Wu is what the scanlators decided i guess, since his name is in reference to Doctor Wu
though the reading for his name ir more or less Uu
i call him uwu
fierce night
i like uu because it would also be a reference to u2
minor ore
why is no one talking about holly being the mastermind behind the research of the rokakaka????
like wth that's the last thing I expected from this chapter
Right, that may be explained more as the story goes on
stark wagon
Soft & Wet looked beautiful this chapter
and menacing
@minor ore didn't we already know she was involved??
just not the mastermind
minor ore
Well it's been a while since I catched up so maybe?
I remember that she was a doctor but I don't recall she being involved with the Rokakaka
fierce night
maybe she got the rock disease(?) by testing the rokakaka on herself
is it the rock disease though
ohhhh i guess the rokakaka did the trade with her brain
thats why it has missing pieces and all
minor ore
yeah that's what i think
fierce night
its been a while since i read that chapter
minor ore
But then why wouldn't they kill her?
I mean, she was researching the rokaka with/for them probably
And became useless after trading her brain parts with others things
Then it would make sense for Wu Tomoki to appear and continue Holly's research
But then why would they let her live? She's just useless and her disease would make everyone suspicious of them
cosmic frost
first of all i think if they would have killed her kira before the equvialant exchange would have killed them
or found out who did it
and it just seemed that holly just has alzheimer or something like that
i think i wouldnt have made them suspicious letting her stay in the hospital
*it
minor ore
Yeah, that makes sense
I just thought that it seemed out of character of them to not just kill her but thinking again about Wu he just wanted to control Yasuho and Mitsuba to get info
minor ore
I think its now imply to cure viruses?
Wu talked this chapter about the Rokakaka being useless against them as they are living beings and that's what the lab was for
So it wouldn't be too out of place for the evolution of the rokakaka to be able to affect them
cosmic frost
oh yea
minor ore
Maybe exchange living beings or some extremely complicated thing like that?
Hell if I know, but I'm sure Araki has something up his sleeve
cosmic frost
i hope so
well its supposed to heal the rock disease so
it can probably affect rock humans
stark wagon
The new rokakaka can exchange things outside of your body with things inside
Or at least with another person
Like it did with josefumi and kira
minor ore
Yeah that's certain, what i'm not sure about is what it does exactly and how will Araki use it as a power up
stark wagon
Yes, Wu just wanted because it works perfectly to heal or change anything
minor ore
Wasn't that just the rokakaka?
I don't remember where the new rokakaka branch was obtained tbh
cosmic frost
josefumi grew them in the higashikata houshold estate
kind owlBOT
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cosmic frost
hell yea
white beacon
and then during the ozon baby fight, jobin used tsurugi's paper moon king to fool poor tom and josuke and steal the real branch
neat sierra
Squeeze my hog
white beacon
hog true main villain
minor ore
Iwasuke best jojo
stark wagon
So apparently we knew Holly worked at the hospital
And since parts of her brain were missing I just assumed she was involved
knotty sigil
good chapter but Araki better explain what happened to Tooru
not sure if I'm dumb for this but I had no idea that Holly did research on the rokakaka. I knew she was a doctor, but not that she was researching said fruit
if Jobin winds up being the main villain, or at least gets to be the enemy in final fight like Diego was, that would honestly be the best thing about this part for me. I really wanna see him go full antagonist
stark wagon
I mean
we had the hint that parts of her brain were just not there
so it makes sense to associate she working at the hospital and having contact with the rokakaka
knotty sigil
true
I'm pretty sure I thought that was a result of the rock disease, not the rokakaka
but now I know
stark wagon
I gave up trying to assume what's gonna happen in jojolion honestly
every expectation I had was wrong
i'm just enjoying the ride now
knotty sigil
it's hard to predict jojo lmao
I think Jobin is one of Araki's coolest characters ever
knotty sigil
that shit was fire
minor ore
Damo's group was completely independent of the hospital group, right?
minor ore
Yeah I thought it would be weird for Damo to attack the son of Holly if they were related at all
kind owlBOT
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olive fiber
Thank you for this
queen elm
#manga-jojokes please
minor ore
Oops, thought it'd be appropriate here, sorry
stark wagon
top tier meme tbh
olive fiber
What did you guys think of chapter 82?
knotty moat
It was lit
wise sleet
old marlin
wu tomoki makes more sense to me
it just sounds better than Uu Tomoki
Uwu Tomoki
holy shit wu got back into Mitsuba
OH SHIT HOLLY RESEARCHED ROKAKAKA?
okay now Wu is just using the Rokaka as weapons
AHHHHHHHHHHHH
JOSUKE
THE BIG MAN HIMSELF
HOLY FUCKING SHIT JOSUKE
HE CEMENTED WU OMFG
minor ore
In fact, Uwu Tomoki stated that Holly made the lab so she was the first one to research it
minor ore
And both end in stone
old marlin
but quick clarification at the end with mistuba's nose that means she exchanged that for her aborted baby right
white beacon
Ye
old marlin
oh thank god
bless you araki
along with that i guess i wanted to say that wu isnt as good as a guy as i thought he was
i mean yeah the Rokaka Could switch parts of your brain for something else but that seems way less likely than he makes it out to be
such as with that baseball player or that old guy or even mistuba it seems like the rokaka fruit will switch things but its way more cosmetic than anything
not to say the rokaka is perfect because yes there is a chance it could switch your kneecap with heart tissue but its certainly not as scary and dangerous Wu made it seem to be
minor ore
not from what we've seen, but who knows how many failures they had to cover up
old marlin
the way he puts himself on a pedestal with his stand ability being the "only thing" that could prevent a serious rokaka exchange may have some validity but its way less necessary than he makes it out to be
thats true, who really knows how many times a rokaka's equivalent exchange has been used and who knows how many have led to instant death. i think that information is null and void when you're talking about Wu's mesiah complex however, to me Wu clearly had extreme illusions of grandeur which ultimately led to his demise
minor ore
If he's indeed defeated, because as of now we don't have a "Uwu Tomoki: RETIRED" as we use to have
At least that's what some people said about the end of the chapter, I personally think that he did die and Araki replaced that with "Time before the harvest of the New Rokakaka"
old marlin
honestly i dont even care if Wu comes back im just excited to see Yasuho and Josuke back together again
old marlin
he'll probably be relevant in either the next chapter or the next next chapter
i mean they were in a rush
and itd be sorta weird to follow your ex and another lady around a Hospital to god knows where
minor ore
Yeah, but the end of last chapter did seem like a cliffhanger for a fight or something
old marlin
to me atleast it was like a "oh hey whats up.... alright see ya" moment
that could lead to something good later on
opal schooner
Softo und Wetto
olive fiber
I had my hopes up the Yashuro’s ex was going to be in this chapter and he wasn’t so sad boi hours but not all hope is lost
granite sedge
Aw, did Josuke do the finishing blow again?
Lame.
I was really hoping it'd be Mitsuba.
knotty sigil
same, but yasuho instead of mitsuba
I dont think she ever has?
her stand isn't really suited for combat, but still, at least one KO would be nice
granite sedge
Yeah, Yasuho getting the finishing blow would be really nice, but I didn't really expect her to.
Like you said, Paisley Park isn't suited for direct combat.
It was really cool to see it be the main Stand in a fight though.
ornate timber
At least Mitsuba's stone nose isn't the worst thing she could end up with
radiant kettle
Mitsuba looks good with the rock nose
Although she might not be able to breathe through it...
But it's the price to pay to not have saggy tits
Also I see some confusion regarding the new Rokakaka
The new rokakaka does what it did with gappy
Equivalent Exchange between two people
You want a new body? Well, just exchange your body with someone else's
That's why Jobin asked Dolomite for help
He lured him in to know the location with hopes of a new body
cosmic frost
so if that is true the new rokakaka can fuse two people together so both of them live on?
but as a entirely new person
grizzled pilot
i think that's pretty clear by now
stark wagon
I don't think it necessarily means fusing two people
Just exchanging different bodies
olive fiber
Do you all think that chapter 82 was the last of the hospital arc?
minor ore
I don't think they're going to get away that easily
But then again I thought Tooru would appear this chapter so who knows
cosmic frost
i think the ex boyfriend of yashuo is going to attack them
minor ore
Maybe they're going to get Holly out of there too?
cosmic frost
i dont think so because holly is probably safer in the hospital than with the gang
minor ore
Poor Tom was part of them right? They sent him to get the branch
stark wagon
yeah they're all the research group
urban guerrilla too
but I mean the people in the ambulance
there's at least 1 more
slate moat
I just really liked how this chapter kinda mirrored part 4
old marlin
as i said before what i think would be very neat is if the fusing ability of the rokaka´s fusion ability is actually just an ability of the Wall Eyes
rocky charm
I always figured it was from the Wall Eyes
stark wagon
wall eyes definitely have some fusion ability
slate moat
I went to reread Jojolion last week and I completly forgot the wall eyes were in the part
stark wagon
unless araki retcons that
old marlin
since araki made it a point to show that Josefumi and Kira died at the wall eyes
stark wagon
remember Kyo burying those fruits
rocky charm
I don't think grafting would really change the fruit that much, but since the Wall Eyes are known by the Higashikata's to have some level of Equivalent Exchange
old marlin
that was at the wall eyes
stark wagon
exactly
rocky charm
(Norisuke having the rock disease taken, Joubin having it taken, the fruits)
old marlin
which makes me think that people in jojolion are confusing the rokaka
ẃith the wall eyes
stark wagon
but then in the flashback it was the rokakaka that fused them
I think araki is the one confusing that
slate moat
I would love if in the soon chapters when they confront Joubin in the Higashikata estate that Kyo actually comes to joint he main team of Josuke, mamazuku and Yashuo
kind owlBOT
@slate moat, Your Gangstar cred is now level 4 !
rocky charm
I think it was a combo of both
stark wagon
I want more Kyo 
old marlin
i have faith in araki
rocky charm
Remember: Only the Higashikatas know about the Wall Eyes' Equivalent Exchange
slate moat
So hopefully when Holly comes back she explains them
rocky charm
The Rock Humans only know about the Rokakaka
old marlin
he´s a good story tell when he wants to be and he could set up something like a fake out if he really wanted to
story teller
rocky charm
So if the Rokakaka does something they don't expect, that's why they would think it was the grafting and not the Wall Eyes
stark wagon
yeah I just want to know how the wall eyes tie to the rokakaka
slate moat
Is that whole concept of the bitemarks dead now?
stark wagon
and since he hasn't mentioned it in a long while it scares me
rocky charm
Everyone else just believes what the Rock Humans say because they're the experts on the Rokakaka
old marlin
the thing about the bite marks is it only happened to 3 people and it was shown in the very beginning
its common knowledge that araki made a lot of story changes pretty early on in Jojolion
given that he revealed Josukes origins very early on
slate moat
Do you think that the way Shakedown street has a stand is the same way with the Higashikata and Wall Eyes area?
stark wagon
I always thought shakedown street was the stand of a tree or something
since animals can have it why not plants
minor ore
Isn't it stated that it is?
old marlin
are you suggesting the wall eyes are a stand?
minor ore
I mean, in SBR we have Sugar Mountain
stark wagon
oh true
slate moat
I think the best way to explain the equivilant exchange and area as a whole would it being a stand
stark wagon
but they don't specify it for shakedown road as far as I remember
old marlin
its definitely possible in this cannon of jojo
rocky charm
I both love and hate how it's called Equivalent Exchange
old marlin
That be interesting, kind of like an aoe black sabbath?
slate moat
yeah
rocky charm
Because every time I hear about it I can't help but think of FMA
old marlin
also the newest chapters kinda muddy the name
since equivalence is literally equal to itself
so exchanging something for another should be ¨worth¨ as much as what you´re switching it with
white beacon
Baby for a nose
old marlin
but Wu described scenarios where the thing that was switched was far more important than the catalyst
which just makes it more complicated
slate moat
Since Araki did a Friends style cover can we expect a stand called [Rembrants]
rocky charm
It could be like The Gate's Equivalent Exchange
Where it's not actual value, but rather perceived value
Or things taken for more "irony" and "punishment" rather than "equivalence".
old marlin
if thats the case it wouldve been coolif that was explained before now
rocky charm
Araki has trouble explaining things
old marlin
teeth for a shoulder seems fair
slate moat
Dragons dream
old marlin
but a nose for a baby doesnt
slate moat
^ Key example
rocky charm
O O F
minor ore
Well, we did get like 6 different explainings of the rokakaka throughout the part
slate moat
And we'll probably get a last one
old marlin
which kinda supports my half baked theory that no one will ever be able to understand the rokaka
its like a Nature vs Society archetype
slate moat
I know there's the difference of the first gen and second generation Rokakaka but it honestly feels if no one has any actual information and has just formulated an opinion of them
rocky charm
^^^
old marlin
Wu made me believe the same thing
rocky charm
No one in-universe fully understands the Rokakaka
But they all think they're experts
stark wagon
I'd like those things to make more sense by the end of jojolion
slate moat
So just like araki
rocky charm
And people like Josuke and Yasuho don't have any reason to doubt their expertise
old marlin
I doubt if Holly made any real progress in her research
stark wagon
Everything is up in the air right now it doesn't feel good for me
rocky charm
So every theory is presented as fact
old marlin
Joubin? how so?
white beacon
What if, holly has alzheimers because of the rokakaka
rocky charm
Joubin was the first major character (besides Yotsuyu) to have a discernible link to the Rokakaka
latent perch
didnt they show that already
old marlin
like as a sideeffect of her researching them
stark wagon
it's almost a fact she does
minor ore
Understanding the effects of the Rokakaka isn't complicated tho, it's just the technicity of it that isn't quite stated
slate moat
Well he does take it to keep the underground trade afloat, he has the most real information on what it does and is probably the only one likely to tell Josuke the truth
rocky charm
With the whole "parts of her brain were "taken"" thing, yeah, it's Rokakaka
minor ore
But wasn't Spin and Hamon kind of the same deal? I mean, I'm used to Araki making up powers and half explaining them
rocky charm
The question is what she got in exchange
old marlin
Being able to sell something doesnt mean youre 100% positive of what it does
slate moat
Or what someone else got in exchange
old marlin
for now thats his motive
rocky charm
Ooh good point
rocky charm
He just wants to live every day like it's a summer vacation
old marlin
nah hes taken a step forward in saving his son
rocky charm
And to end up in a position "positive" to where he was when he was born
slate moat
I still love that Cactus transforming scene
rocky charm
Josuke wants to save everyone because he's selfless
old marlin
i dont like Tsurugi and Joubin, Tsurugi in particular, but i do like that they managed to fool everyone
slate moat
Do you think the effect of the curse will be the focus point of the finale?
rocky charm
Joubin specifically wants to save Tsurugi because he's his son
I think the curse will be broken by the end
old marlin
speaking of the curse is it possibly the origins of rock people?
minor ore
Joubin wants the new rokakaka for himself and for Tsurugi, he won't give it to anyone outside of the Higashikata family because he wants to make a business out of it, contrary to Norisuke's wishes
slate moat
Imagine being a rock human in America and you see some rat trip up a horse so yo uthink "huh better give that family a curse"
rocky charm
I personally believe that the Equivalent Exchange of the Wall Eyes is a leftover of the Holy Corpse being used by Johnny
The curse, I'm not so sure
slate moat
I thought the curse stemmed before Johnny?
stark wagon
dude there are so many plot points in jojolion holy shit
rocky charm
The curse is on both sides of Norisuke I's family
It has nothing to do with Johnny, he just married into it
stark wagon
I do believe this has potential to be the best/one of the best parts so far but he has to tie it all together somehow
old marlin
It very much has that potential
also if thats the case with the wall eyes being The holy corpse then yes the wall eyes are a stand
slate moat
I feel like if I had waited till it finished serialization I might have enjoyed it more
minor ore
Maybe jesus corpse granted Morioh a stand?
old marlin
i dont think i could wait the potentially 2 years for the finish
minor ore
Like it gave Johnny Tusk
rocky charm
Jesus was always Equivalent Exchange as used by the Wall Eyes
old marlin
seems like a long time to learn about some fruit
rocky charm
The Higashikatas use it to move misfortune from one person to another
slate moat
If it is Morioh, you think the limbo place exists in this universe too?
rocky charm
That's why I believe it has to do with the Holy Corpse
old marlin
TICKET TO RIDE IS AN EQUIVALENT EXCHANGE OF LUCK
THE ROKAKA COULDVE POTENTIALLY GAINED THAT SOMEHOW THROUGH THE EARTH
AND THE LUCK FACTOR COULD EXPLAIN HOW RANDOM IT COULD BE SOMETIMES
slate moat
[ MORIOH LOVE TRAIN ]
minor ore
But wasn't the rokakaka from new guinea?
slate moat
moving bad luck into other areas on a much smaller scale
minor ore
Or are you talking of the new rokakaka
rocky charm
The original Rokakaka, yes
But we're talking of the new one grown on Wall Eye territory
old marlin
Possibly wall eye rokaka are where the actually ability came from
rocky charm
*Jesus gave a fruit a power up
old marlin
just Rokaka fruits were grown in New Guinea but imported to Morioh
maybe by Joubin himself
slate moat
Well if the ground fuses thing, it fused the corpse and the plants growing?
rocky charm
The Corpse itself isn't there
old marlin
the corspe isnt there
rocky charm
It was taken back to the Vault
old marlin
johnnyś corpse is there
rocky charm
But some of its power may have remained
slate moat
I do like he gave us a sign off for Johnny here
rocky charm
Johnny's death was more tragic than Jonathan's change my mind
slate moat
Johnny saved his son better than Jonathan
old marlin
he´s selfish and shortsighted but he´s not wholey a terrible person
slate moat
change my mind
rocky charm
Tbf, Johnny's the one who endangered his kid
stark wagon
Jonathan didn't even know he had a son poor guy
rocky charm
Big question: did Jonathan know Erina was pregnant?
stark wagon
No
old marlin
no
rocky charm
Oh OK
old marlin
little sidenote but this chapter was a great way to end off the year
it ends with a decent resolution and it got me really hyped for the next one
slate moat
yes
Soft and Wet coming in after so long
and just getting our team together
it was great
minor ore
Wait, it is stated that every Higashikata's first son turns into stone and then his grandfather sacrifices himself to cure his illnes right?
kind owlBOT
@minor ore, Your Gangstar cred is now level 5 !
minor ore
Ok but then the equivalent exchange already happened before the wall eyes
stark wagon
minor ore
Does it make sense chronologically? When did Johnny die?
Was it before the curse of the higashikatas?
minor ore
Because Norisuke I didn't have it, did he?
old marlin
Joe Kid died in 1901
minor ore
No wait, it's ok i think
Johnny died when his son was a baby so Norisuke I probably didn't had a child yet or he was young
stark wagon
It says in the wiki that the sacrifice tradition started with norisuke IV
minor ore
But isn't Norisuke IV Joubin's father?
old marlin
does that mean the wall eyes/ticket to ride equivalent fruit exchange still possible?
minor ore
I mean, it could be because it isn't really a plothole
It wasn't stated if the ground of the Higashikata could exchange things before the wall eyes
old marlin
im not saying its a plothole im just hypothesizing
rocky charm
The Equivalent Exchange area that they use to combat the Rock Disease is recent, the Rock Disease is not
However, during Norisuke IV's explanation, didn't he say his grandfather was the first to have the process done?
And also that it was not a premeditated person, just any family member besides the first-born son
craggy belfry
you can't really always site the wiki as concret evidence since its made by people like you or me, as long as you remember what's going on, their guess is as good as ours so if you remember that correctly you may be right
dense spoke
7 years and half yet no antagonist
olive fiber
Part 8 does feel like a mystery and I really like that
rocky charm
So
Rock Humans are silicon-based life forms
And I'm assuming that this never gets brought up again?
Because there are no known silicon-based life forms in reality
This isn't just some random fact
It means they function differently from all known life
grizzled pilot
it;s a common kinda fantasy or sci-fi thing
weird alien creatures, different from all other life sorta deal
rocky charm
This guy's pin
Is it a reference to THE CODA
Is this fucking layered
Is Jojo referencing Jojo now?
white beacon
Yeah it's a reference to coda
opal schooner
Now we just gotta get stands based on the OPs
『Fighting Gold』,『Bloody Stream』,『Crazy Noisy Bizarre Town』,『Stand Proud』
near grotto
Is josuke in part 4 the same josuke in part 8
rocky charm
No
opal schooner
because they are the equivalent of josuke in this universe
near grotto
Hol up different universes?
Isnt part 7 also in a different universe?
So if im correct, thats josuke, but in another universe
white beacon
There's no 1:1 AU equivalent of the characters in parts 1-6 but from a story standpoint, yes, you could say that
near grotto
Oh ok
white beacon
But his only connection with part 4 josuke is his name really, and part 8 josuke's name ain't even his real name
near grotto
Whats his real name
white beacon
He doesn't have a real name
cosmic frost
well i mean josuke 8 name could be josefumi kujo
because its the body of josefumi kujo with parts of yoshikage kira
white beacon
He's neither
The soul is neither josefumi's nor kira's, it's both and made a new soul, a new man
cosmic frost
yeah ok thats true
but id love having an actual original name for josuke 8
josefumi is a cool name
and why the heck does josefumi kujo have a star birthmark on his back
araki forgot?
white beacon
Not really
He could be a distant relative
Since the joestar bloodline in this universe is very spread out
cosmic frost
oh yeah that could be it
white beacon
Well, I say "very" but it's just bigger than the original bloodline
Joseph has siblings
cosmic frost
i think even kira referred to josefumi as a cousin but im not sure
or i think im mixing things up
white beacon
They be besties
It's either he's from joseph's siblings or another case of part 4 josuke
Since josefumi has bedazzled the word "Josephmi" on his phone
minor ore
olive fiber
Best song
minor ore
What confuses me a bit is that in the SBR universe like everyone is different from the other univerese yet the same bands and songs exist, so maybe not everything is different. Either that or i am thinking too much about a manga's logic
bleak gazelle
BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICYLE BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICYLE
flat vale
@minor ore you're thinking about it too much, it's all coincidental usually and it's implied most major worldly events like WW2 and the Vietnam war happen in AU so there wouldn't be an extreme difference between the two in that regard
minor ore
Ok
foggy hazel
Stroheim and Avdol and Caravan Serai are all in SBR.
flat vale
That's Urmd Avdol not Mohamed
flat vale
if anything avdols grandpa
craggy belfry
steel ball run is full of references to other parts that don't fit the timeline
steel ball run as whole is really just nods to previous jojo parts while in reality it's its own thing
flat vale
^
flat vale
I mean I would argue there are quite a lot of differences between Diego and Dio with the exception of the fact that they're both just innately "evil"
hazy crystal
well, I don't remember Diego being evil
he was ambitious and cuthroat
married the old women for money and all
and did he ever loose that rat? I never really understood if that was supposed to imply Diego
looking back if he did release that rat, yeah he would be evil
I think I'll need to reread that because all parts were a long time ago for me.
flat vale
No diego wasn't on the scene during the rat times, his evil comes from the fact that he only cares about his own ambitious pursuit to be #1 similar to how Dio killed whoever he felt like to reach the top but failed to due to not being able to kill Johnathan initially
craggy belfry
he's talking about if it was implied that he released the rat that killed Johnny's brother
which, even if it was never said, it is implied because Diego seems to have some sarcastic mourning after he dies
while he was at the scene
flat vale
Diego was Johnny and His brothers rival before SBR if you recall, the one person who could beat him died
flat vale
I mean is there any actual fact to that, because I recall that it was supposed to be solely Johnnys fault making it all the more tragic that his father hates him
rocky charm
Yeah I didn't catch any foreshadowing that Diego released a rat at Nick
flat vale
I just scoured info bases looking for any evidence to support that theory and couldn’t find anything, not even any single throw away dialogue lines or anything.
rocky charm
IN the chapter Nick dies, Diego isn't even there, so there's no way it was a background panel
craggy belfry
are you serious that diego wasn't there
I definitely remember him being there
I remember him being there and he was the first person to point out he had died
what chapter was that again
craggy belfry
Diego is literally right there they need to fix that article
oh shit we found it at the same time
hazy crystal
lol
diego has such a great design
I fucking love his hat and, uh, sweater?
I always assumed it was a sweater
hazy crystal
it's just great
craggy belfry
do you plan on getting the diego figure
hazy crystal
nah, I usually don't buy figures although one did look bad ass
craggy belfry
now I'm sure that the wiki article was just edited because I just checked diego's page and it says he does appear in chapter 42
hazy crystal
wiki articles are finnicky
but I use them all the time
just like wikipedia, regardless of what they say
flat vale
I’m going to play devils advocate yet again and say that might not even be Diego because it still doesn’t make sense
flat vale
Because in context that’s the Joestar private track while they’re doing a test run of a new horse
Why would Diego be there
craggy belfry
they took the conscious effort to color it Diego, and I'm fine if you think that but I'm pretty sure you edited the article to fit with that which is not cool
hazy crystal
I believe Diego killed off Nicholas to be the best jockey
craggy belfry
Diego is an evil person who would kill of his competition so he could be the best
hazy crystal
but I never really thought about it that much
because I'm a peabrain and that stuff goes right over my head
flat vale
If you still have it up go back a few pages and see if he shows up in better view
This seems like an Araki moment true and true
craggy belfry
they purposely never show his face, but this was definitely a conscious effort to go and edit this to make sure you could tell it was Diego
otherwise the text wouldn't be colored so, they do that for important characters
so if it was the black and white manga it would still be debatable
but the colored scans have been re-edited and looked through for the sake of touching the whole manga up
hazy crystal
ah, I found a page, not a better view but
he's there on the track trying out a horse
where they are watching Nicholas race, he turns around and wonders who Diego is
craggy belfry
I was looking for pictures only, thanks for helping
Now I'm sure sparite cranberry edited teh chapter 42 article...
hazy crystal
nah I just think it's wiki people being wiki people imo
flat vale
This is one of those things that’s probably going to remain in fan cannon purgatory, because I still like the concept better that Johnny was his own worst enemy and he himself spiraled his problems to where they are at the start. Almost the opposite of Jonathan in fact.
hazy crystal
things like that get glanced over
because even I forgot Diego was there at the track
I like the idea of Diego killing Nicholas but Johnny shouldering the blame
craggy belfry
well yeah but on diego's page it shows he appeared in that chapter but then the chapter page just says he didn't
hazy crystal
because that ends up leading him down his path because of his guilt
flat vale
Yeah but that just repeats Dio being the springboard of the entire AU events too and I don’t like that thought.
Because if Diego did intentionally kill Nicholas he is literally the catalyst for parts 7 and presumably 8 to some extent
Enricco Pucci 2.0 incoming
kind owlBOT
@flat vale, Your Gangstar cred is now level 16 !
craggy belfry
that's why I said earlier every SBR character is different except Diego
He's slightly different but still shares the same role, albeit smaller, and has many similar desires
flat vale
Nah you know what he didn’t do it and I’ve got one good reason why.
If Dio would have done it he would have bragged about it
hazy crystal
The thing is that he isn't an antagonist to be an antagonist
flat vale
During that final stretch he would have said something about it
hazy crystal
like AU diego saying something about it
because that could be written off as different person, BUT, assuming they did share the same history
I don't think they would mention anything
does he hate Johnny, I can't remember
off the top of my head he killed Nicholas to be the best, that's all. There wasn't anything more to it
flat vale
Do you mean scary monsters Diego or the world version
hazy crystal
The World
craggy belfry
not really he just likes annoying johnny
craggy belfry
Johnny is his rival when he's in the way otherwise he usually doesn't think much of him
Johnny however is always gonna be compared to Diego, at home, and on the track
flat vale
I’m pretty sure D4C ya people are pretty much taken down 99% of the same paths in life as MU so I’d assume the world Diego killed Nicholas too
hazy crystal
I believe he doesn't even remember he did it
it seems something minor he did when he was like 9
this is just speculation
nothing to really say it's his thinking or not in the manga
but he does stuff to further his goals, I don't think he really cared
it was just kinda like taking out an obstacle from what I've seen of his character
flat vale
And maybe it’s just me but I feel like hedging bets on putting a mouse in the woods near a horse track to kill someone is kind of hyper specific
hazy crystal
to be fair I didn't even remember diego was in that chapter before
rocky charm
I never edited diego out
I only edited him in
If you look at the edit history, you'll see that the last edit was in August
rocky charm
When you guys pointed out hewas there, I decided to fix it
hazy crystal
and I only believe that because right before the death, it happened to randomly introduce Diego to Johnny
flat vale
I don’t recall Diego actually killing someone on screen
craggy belfry
thanks sparite I will stop doubting you now
rocky charm
Diego killed multiple Valentines
flat vale
I mean, what counts in that regard
rocky charm
And tried his best to kill Gyro and Johnny twice
flat vale
It’s like hydra rules, gotta kill the whole thing or it don’t count
rocky charm
And then Johnny a third time, but that was AU Diego
craggy belfry
also I don't know how to check the page when it was last edited anyway so I wouldn't have seen that
flat vale
AU diego doesn’t get enough screen time so it’s hard to tell how much difference there is other than stand
rocky charm
Next to edit, there's a drop-down which includes history
hazy crystal
It was just awfully good timing to introduce Diego and Johnny together
just before the brother died
flat vale
D4C should have been a main characters stand so it could have gone more in depth