ever since araki decided he can't use plunder anymore
#jojolion
minor ore
stark fossil
Really?
stark fossil
Plundering's, like, his whole thing
minor ore
in a while
stark fossil
I'm not convinced he can steal concepts anymore, but physical parts yes
Actually nvm he stole a sound
idk why he doesn't make more explosions, he has the power doesn't he?
minor ore
nah, so far it seems he only has Josefumi's stand
stark fossil
aw
minor ore
which is why we're theorizing that he either unlocks KQ
or that his stand evolves
into a fusion of both
stark fossil
Oh right
minor ore
as he is now, he's pretty weak, and i'm not sure he'd be able to stand up to the big bad
well, unless he gets better at using his stand or something
stark fossil
He's a smart boi I'm sure he could do something creative
Or maybe team with the whole family
minor ore
i have a feeling the latter will happen
minor ore
is there gonna be a problem adapting parts 7 & 8?
cuz of the more... mature scenes perhaps?
or just on the more technical aspects?
white beacon
part7 moreso on the technical aspects, part8 moreso on the err mature scenes
those would be major factors when adapting them
but part 6 also has part 8's problem
pine sequoia
D o g g y S t y l e
minor ore
oof
plucky ice
@minor ore Animating horses in part 7 would be really really hard
white beacon
nah animation horses in 2D will be infinitely hard, but the quality for CG will just keep on getting better
minor ore
there's no other way to do a part 7 adaptation tbh
plucky ice
@minor ore yep it will be either CG horses or Hiatus until technology adapts for 2d Horses
minor ore
as long as SBR gets properly adapted, tbh
minor ore
i thought CG was actually cheaper tbh
since modern anime tend to use CG for background characters
plucky ice
Cg would be cheaper then animating 2d horses
white beacon
it's cheaper in the long run because you can reuse the models, but if it's only for a short while or having different kinds of models, it's gonna need a big budget
plucky ice
But also we are like 5 years until part 7 anime so technology will adapt hopefully
Aybe more
minor ore
the horses we see the most of are johnny's, gyro's, diego's, and that one guy's
limpid veldt
Im hoping they can just scan the manga pages and it will animate for them
plucky ice
Something i have come to notice in the series is that, aside from the fights. The animation is pretty static, and that makes sense. Since parts 1-6 are pretty static too. Going more for stylistic shots than for actual dinamic movement within panels.
Steel Ball Run is different. While the poses and the shots are still a thing, the art focuses more on movement. Everything in part 7 feels fast, always moving.
minor ore
yea, it's a lot more apparent in part 5. imo
plucky ice
Of course there are high speed scenes like the battle with Wham or (if you're reading from the future) The battle agaisnt Highway Star. Now, take that, and try to make a whole series arround that, over 50 episode series of just that. It can be done, but it will require a lot of good animation. And good animation cost a lot of money.
white beacon
SBR anime with the level of animation to that of the anime movie Redline, a perfect dream
plucky ice
A man can only dream
plucky ice
I hope so
I just hope that SBR doesnt receive Vagabond effect
Nobody will want to touch it because the manga art was just too good that nothing animated will ever live up.
Like Blade of Immortal
minor ore
it might take some time before we'll ever get part 7 animated, but I think it will happen
plucky ice
Yeah
minor ore
come to think of it, why did part 5 take so long
flat vale
It only took a year
ebon pulsar
ok mitsuba's ability is quite gud tho
potent yoke
Im fine with CG for the horses - as long as it isn't overlord or berserk quality
ebon pulsar
its dp so they will probably make horses like in aot
hollow fog
You fools!
The real MAIN villain of the part has already shown up
Its none other than...
HIM
ITS THE DOG. ITS THE FREAKIN' DOG
WAKE UP SHEEPLE
granite sedge
I would trust the dog with my life.
hollow fog
thats how he gets you
minor ore
Die for the dog
hollow fog
his stand, [Who let the dogs out], makes it impossible for anyone to even as much as touch him with the purpose of harm or seeing him as anything other than a precious pupper
He was behind everything from the start, thats why he was spared by oxon baby!
It all comes together!
hollow fog
Arika has gotten a lot better at making cute critters
kind owlBOT
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rich depot
Act 4 gives me nightmares though
hollow fog
Act 4 is cool
rich depot
Ye
old marlin
I dont support the Josuke getting King Crimson theory
It’d be forced even by Jojo standards
granite sedge
Yeah, it'd be a cool idea, but it just wouldn't work story-wise.
I can't think of how they'd justify him getting that exact Stand.
S&W will probably evolve at some point, and I'd bet money it becomes a King when it does.
But King Crimson? I can see why people support that theory, but no.
granite sedge
Honestly, would that even be enough?
The main villain powercreep is real.
Pucci and Valentine were way, way scarier with their final Stands than Diavolo.
I can't imagine how scary Kaato/Jobin/whoever turns out to be.
short sonnet
KC was just.... why...
why would you repeat the same bullshit in jjl
wasnt the world enough
short sonnet
especially since its not a high chance that there will be a stand like d4c
granite sedge
I mean, I definitely think the main villain here will have a spatial Stand, but not like D4C.
short sonnet
hm...
would araki really reuse the idea of using dimensions as the final villan power...?
he used time as final stand 4 times already
part 7 finally did something original
would araki really water it down?
granite sedge
Space is arguably a more interesting idea to play with than time though.
Valentine had such a specific way of interacting with it.
D4C felt like the tip of the iceberg, especially considering that we already have a candidate for part 8's villain who uses space.
All we know about Kaato's Stand is that she seems to use cards as pocket dimensions.
Think about how much potential there is there.
short sonnet
bruh i keep forgetting that jjl chapters come out every month now
craggy belfry
Jojolion feels so weird from every other jojo part that no matter what I"m probably not gonna be satisfied with the ending or the villain
It's all about corporatism (if that's a word) in late Jojolion and I feel a super power villain wouldn't fit into that theme despite it kind of being a similar concept to a drug underworld in Vento Aureo
now I kind of see where King Crimson would come in but then Josuke would have to be main villain for it to be any fun and it would already be disastrous if it happened
short sonnet
jjl is filled with corporate related stuff
meanwhile va was literally a gang tryna kill their boss
they are almost opposite to each other
craggy belfry
not really, the antagonists groups are both groups with their head (or in jojolion, so far the lack of the head of a group) hiding in the shadows to sell an illegal product to gain economic control and they are trying to keep their identities hidden by tying up loose ends
on the protagonist side its very different
Gappy is trying to find out who is, Giorno is trying to control it himself
rich depot
Lol saying that King Crimson is gonna be Josuke's final stand evolution is like saying that Kars will be the head of the rock people
Pretty unlikely
rich depot
I would love it tbh
minor ore
Just started reading Jojolion, and don’t judge me, it’s probably in my top 3 best Jojo parts.
short sonnet
better not put it above sbr or there will be death
hollow fog
You know i still dont get part 8s name
Like
I get every other part
But the heck does Jojolion even signify
Like theres been jojos
The closest thing to a lion is Iwasuke
minor ore
It does.
Something about The pairing of Jojo and Lion (Jojo-lee-on) is rebirthing of Jojo (roughly). It’s the rebirth of alternate josuke.
he was split into two separate parts.
amd then he was reborn.
MAKE SENSE?
no?
rich depot
Do you mean like Josefumi being reborn or like jojo in general?
minor ore
Let me get the picture up and running, if I can find it...
craggy belfry
Isn't Stone Free just combat Doggy Style
minor ore
Doggystyle > Stone Free
slow cobalt
LOL
summer tree
that seems to apply to- yeah
slow cobalt
mobius strips make more sense with doggystyle
minor ore
Oh Lonesome Me barely counts, tbh
granite sedge
Araki's statement suggests inspiration from Pygmalion (the tale of a tragic king, if I recall correctly) and Evangelion, as well as generally some kind of blessedness or other religious symbolism.
In regards to the name of the part.
I was late to the conversation about it earlier, but I think that's what's been said about it.
flat vale
Oh Lonesome Me is contender for one of the worst stands of all time in my opinion, being beaten obviously by Hey Ya
slow cobalt
lol wot
lonesome me is below average sure
but id put it on the same level as say the twins stands in part 8
flat vale
I mean had mountain tim not been a cowboy, oh man
ionic locust
has anyone found awaking iii leaves’ reference yet?
pastel kestrel
its not a musical reference unfortunately
ionic locust
Oh really?
pastel kestrel
im hoping wu's is if he even has one
yep
it had to do with cards or something
its really weird
ionic locust
yea
kind owlBOT
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ionic locust
is araki ditching music references?
pastel kestrel
it'll probably be a reference to some steely dan song if he had one
i hope not
i doubt it
minor ore
who said it wasn't a musical reference?
ionic locust
I was just wondering because awaking iii leaves sounds too weird to just not be a reference to something
pastel kestrel
wiki apparently
minor ore
it just says unknown
ionic locust
I thought it might be an altered name of something like nut king call
pastel kestrel
minor ore
"Awaking"-unknown
ionic locust
Huh
flat vale
it is possible that there's going to be a naming convention swap, such as how it went from Tarot to Musicians previously
minor ore
so far araki's been tryna squeeze both music and cards in
flat vale
I mean if we scrounge hard enough, this is a possibility https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SXL_0lHWaU&feature=youtu.be
rotund haven
Cato's stand is just D4C with a deck of cards
flat vale
not quite I don't think, it's more like free storage space to my knowledge
minor ore
video unavailable whaaat
flat vale
Country lock or something?
rotund haven
Burning Down the House with a deck of cards
flat vale
if you stored fire in the cards, you could pull it back out
minor ore
soo like that guy who needed to spook you so he can put you in a piece of paper?
forgot his stand name
flat vale
Yeah that would probably be the closest comparison, except I don't think she can put people in it.
whole lion
they should really define the limits of kaato's stand o_O
elfin mist
they should define kaato's stand to any degree lol
kind owlBOT
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nocturne charm
yeah arakis stand abilities as of late dont have much defined limit
slow cobalt
i can steal you sight and water
how about your blood
or fatigue
or chemicals
or nutirents
LIke pls explain araki
whole lion
YEAH
flat vale
I mean let’s not forget the definition of soft and wets powers. Which if memory serves is literally just apply/remove any scientific property from any physical object. Which he can at some point just use to remove conductivity from an object speed king is attempting to manipulate in order to beat Jobin.
Like the definition of soft and wets powers is so unspecific that it’s unclear why Josuke simply did not remove gravity during the Ozone Baby attack and/or if he can or cannot do that.
minor ore
except araki probably either forgot or just retconned that ability out of soft and wet
he's done it before
granite sedge
Kaato's Stand will be defined when it becomes relevant, I imagine.
Chances are we've only seen one of many applications.
stark fossil
Kaato's Stand is called King Cardashian
cedar palm
I hate this
granite sedge
Do you really need the fingers you used to type that?
Y'know, just as a fun little hypothetical.
flat vale
So if I recall Araki confirmed that Hey Ya actually had no power the entire time and that anytime Hey Ya predicted something is was just pure unaltered luck, similar to Joseph in part 2
kind owlBOT
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minor ore
Actual profile of powers
white beacon
i don't think those are physical stuffs, but hey i'm not sure for myself
minor ore
Hey, I just had it translated from Japanese. I don’t know the specifics
limpid veldt
I get it now , Soft and Wet plundered its own ability from the manga
stark fossil
They forgot to make "physical" bold
And "soap bubbles"
Honestly the whole thing. "Josuke Higashikata" is barely even his name
white beacon
Jousuke is actually more or less better because it instead shows how "ō" should be pronounced
as compared to only having it as Josuke
but that's how i see it
stark fossil
I mean that it was a nickname given to him
I can live with whatever spellings but "Joutarou" has always looked weird to me
minor ore
(Inhales oxygen)
rotund haven
Tbh
When's the last time josuke has used soap bubbles creatively
As of recent it's just bubbles stand
The multi layered bubble was cool at the start but it was just a fakeout
From what I can remember he doesn't take things away anymore, he just stores stuff in bubbles
minor ore
He really hasn't had a reason too yet.
I mean he could've but he didn't really need too.
rotund haven
That kinda defeats the purpose of having the ability theb
It's like if crazy diamond just plowed through stuff and didn't use healing
Unless the stealing got retconned or something
minor ore
Araki always forgets abilities though.
flat vale
The air by a scientific definition is a physical thing
old marlin
The stealing isnt really retconned
It’s more like Silver Chariot’s no armor mode
It’s still there and could be used araki just decides not to use it
flat vale
If there ever is a part 9, it’d definitely be nice to get hard concrete definitions about each stand after we see their power for the first time
minor ore
I'd think part 9 would be celebration of the series, maybe like an eyes of haven kind of story with all the characters.
knotty sigil
nah it's one billion percent gonna be a new story with ties to parts 7 and 8
minor ore
Well I would think, but who knows Araki can't do it forever.
rotund haven
The eyes of heaven story is awful and I hate what it does
Literally anything else I'd take
jorge joestar
craggy belfry
how the heck did Josefumi get a stand
granite sedge
Good luck? I don't think it was addressed how a lot of the part 8 cast got Stands.
The Wall Eyes haven't been around long enough for it to explain Kira and the Higashikatas having Stands, so I imagine it just happens naturally for some people.
craggy belfry
we can assume all rock people have stands
and the higashikata's have it cause it was passed down
we don't know how the girl josefumi was friends with got hers or how he got his
maybe its because Josefumi might be related to Kira
I recently saw that Josefumi had a star on his back
so he really is a jojo
ionic locust
Ok since josuke had the bite mark when he was near the wall eyes, but Kira and josefumi didn’t have bite marks, does that mean he has like 3 different stands
granite sedge
I mean, Stands aren't inherently hereditary, are they?
Jolyne needed an arrow to awaken hers and her dad was the most famous and one of the most powerful Stand users out there.
white beacon
maybe it's different in this universe? where stands are a hereditary thing
also that norisuke and kaato are stand users so maybe it's a much higher chnace for their own children to gain stands, compared to if only one of your parents is a stand user
granite sedge
I mean, I think it's been established that the origin of Stands is different in this universe, so anything goes really.
And yeah, we never really had an example of kids where both parents were Stand users before this if I recall correctly, so that makes sense.
If I recall correctly, back in Jobin's backstory, Kaato knew about Speed King, so it seems like at the very least she's had her Stand (whatever it is) for quite some time.
white beacon
also i feel like jolyne could have easily awakened her own stand but just hadn't had a situation where she would need it the most, that's why the arrow awakened it for her. like with Joshu, who awakened his at that age because of a certain situation, compared to daiya who awakened hers much earlier
i believe it all comes down to situation and circumstance, along with how strong your soul is, to awaken a stand, despite your parents being stand users or not, but those who do have stand users as parents have a much higher chance of awaking their stand naturally
granite sedge
Yeah, good point. Had she not had the arrow, Jolyne probably would've awoken hers shortly after anyway.
It does seem like there are some odd ones out in regards to how Stands awaken. Kakyoin had his from a young age for no real reason.
stark fossil
I think it's kind of a tradeoff
If Araki wants to drop a Stand power He doesn't find interesting either He has to retcon the Stand's powers or drop the user as well
summer tree
The only really major power retcon I can recall is Diver Down
And Gold Experience kind of
And Stone Free kind of
And King Crimson kind of
stark fossil
And it could have been Purple Haze but He took option B instead
My headcanon is some traumatic event that happened to Kakyoin when he was young that awakened HG :(
summer tree
What does Hierophant Green have to do with this?
white beacon
the HG part was in the topic above, about how kak got his at a very young age
summer tree
Oh okay lol
granite sedge
I mean, if Fugo hadn't gotten written out, we wouldn't have gotten one of the best scenes in part 5, or Purple Haze Feedback. I loved Fugo but I was okay with what happened.
Araki kind of retconned Soft and Wet because I don't know if Josuke can steal things anymore?
craggy belfry
ok when did Araki stop letting Josuke steal things
was it recently or has it been going on for half the part
because the only fight I don't remember him doing something like stealing was the most recent one with that midget
I'm pretty sure Araki just didn't use it in that fight
because he is forced to mention it a lot in the backstory with Kira and Josefumi
I really think you guys are just getting paranoid it hasn't been around for a while but that's my opinion
white beacon
i'm pretty sure josuke can still steal things but araki just decides not to write it in as of recently. it's not exactly a retcon, as a retcon would be something like josuke actually saying that his power isn't stealing stuff
like, he can store stuff in his bubbles and that pretty much kinda proves he can steal stuff, just doesn't do it
granite sedge
Honestly I'm just going off of what I've heard other people say? I'm not super fond of S&W, so I barely pay attention to what it does a lot of the time. It doesn't feel as impressive to me as other Jojos' Stands.
The last two fights weren't Josuke-centric so maybe that's why I feel like it hasn't shown up in a while.
Poor Tom was mostly Jobin's fight if I recall correctly, and this current arc has no Josuke at all.
white beacon
yeah, it's not that josuke really can't steal stuff now, just that there's not much to actually steal
granite sedge
The plot is supposed to converge after this arc if I recall correctly, and I'd bet money our big bad has a Stand that manipulates space in some way, so I imagine that it'll become relevant again in the next arc.
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granite sedge
If not... Well, maybe it really did get retconned away.
white beacon
kaato's stand kinda manipulates space in a way, by providing storage/travel between a deck of cards so i guess she fits in that aspect
and yeah if the next arc has josuke a main character then we'll most likely see his Plunder again
granite sedge
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I get the feeling we've only seen one application of what her Stand can do, so she's my main suspect for the big bad.
I'm not entirely sure the next arc will actually be Josuke vs the big bad though.
My money's on either Josuke vs Jobin, or the Higashikata family having a confrontation with Kaato.
Possibly both happening at the same time.
white beacon
maybe the next arc will be about josuke and rai's side of things in the hospital while the mitsuba arc was happening
granite sedge
It's a little embarrassing, but I actually totally forgot what they were up to?
At this point I'm mainly just keeping track of Yasuho and Jobin.
granite sedge
Jobin had the real branch if I recall correctly.
summer tree
Yes, that's correct
But besides Tsurugi and Jobin
Everybody assumes the people in the ambulance have the real branch
Except Rai showed some suspicion about this not being the case
As he puts doubts on Jobin's side of things
granite sedge
If the next arc follows Josuke and Rai again, I do have to wonder how the plot will kick into high gear after the Mitsuba arc.
All signs point to Tomoki being the Vanilla Ice/Green Day/Heavy Weather of part 8.
summer tree
Yasuho did call then over to the hospital
granite sedge
The really intimidating enemy who seriously fucks the heroes up but isn't the final boss.
summer tree
Because I think Paisley Park found that Tomoki was one of the dudes in the ambulance
granite sedge
So they're probably heading to the hospital right now then.
granite sedge
Oh, right. I forgot about that.
summer tree
Yasuho tried calling out to them
And neither noticed an entire waiting room convulsing on the ground in pain
granite sedge
I'm hoping this arc doesn't become 'Josuke saves the day', honestly.
I want Yasuho to get a meaningful victory of her own.
granite sedge
Yeah, Paisley Park isn't really conducive to actually finishing an enemy off. Even in arcs where Yasuho is the protag, she mainly functions as support.
Whereas Awaking III Leaves seems like it has a lot of potential combat ability.
summer tree
Yeah, we've just haven't seen it fully in action but it does have potential to take Tomoki down
granite sedge
I just hope that Araki is setting up for Mitsuba to become an ally in the final battle instead of 'hey here's this super cool Stand with a neat design and ability that you'll only ever see once'.
I mean, I could imagine Mitsuba becoming an ally to Josuke and Yasuho, all things considered.
The fruit has seriously fucked her over, so maybe she's not going to be okay with Jobin being involved with it.
summer tree
BRING BACK CALIFORNIA KING BED
white beacon
i feel like we won't get california king bed again, cuz like, daiya's handicap is too huge
granite sedge
I want to see Walking Heart again, personally.
granite sedge
California King Bed is ridiculously niche and is in the hands of someone with significant handicaps.
summer tree
Daiya managing to get her hands on an important piece of information
granite sedge
Although watch Araki bring it back and just so happen to make it a total game-changer.
granite sedge
Its ability is activated by someone worrying about Daiya, right?
summer tree
Yeah
And it could probably be something minor like
A rock person almost making her trip and they become concerned
Something like that
Steal some valuable info
white beacon
omg, what if she gets the info from jobin
granite sedge
If what I'm hoping for happens and we get a Higashikata family vs Kaato confrontation, I could see Kaato worrying about her at some point in the fight and forfeiting a valuable piece of information.
summer tree
Getting info from Jobin is even better tbh
granite sedge
If California King Bed comes into play again, I definitely think either Jobin or Kaato will be the victim.
I imagine Araki has a plan for all of the Higashikata family, since they're basically the part 8 equivalent to a part 3-6 style gang, albeit with much less screentime.
summer tree
I mostly just want answers on the blonde man
granite sedge
The blonde man?
white beacon
the one that appeared on josuke's memory
summer tree
white beacon
though albeit, veyr vaguely
summer tree
This was back during Fun Fun Fun
granite sedge
Oh, him.
white beacon
woah damn, that's so far
summer tree
I've heard some people theorize it's an early concept of Jobin or Damo
granite sedge
I dunno, I always kind of thought that was a prototype design for Jobin that Araki changed his mind about.
summer tree
But I ain't buying it
Look, I know Araki is famous for forgetting and stuff
But I want to believe
That he just has a sticky note around
granite sedge
I feel like it's too late in the game to introduce a completely new character who happens to be a major player in the story?
summer tree
That involves this dude appearing
Look I don't care how late game it is, I need closure
white beacon
oh, it actually would make the most sense for that guy to appear in the next arc if it's still in the hospital
granite sedge
Hmm... On that note, maybe that guy is Holly's main doctor or something like that? The manager of the hospital?
white beacon
cuz like, if the next arc will be josuke's side of thigns in the hospital, him appearing would justify josuke's attention veering away from finding yasuho to finding that guy
granite sedge
I'm still thinking prototype Jobin, but it can't hurt to contemplate alternate theories.
summer tree
now watch this dude appear in Part 9 or some weird shit
granite sedge
It can't be a coincidence that they're in the same hospital that's been treating Holly, so I think she'll become relevant soon.
summer tree
Or just watch him be some random unimportant dude that Josuke just remembered
granite sedge
Something that's always bugged me about her is how she noticed Paisley Park in Yasuho's shadow back when she met Yasuho.
white beacon
lol
granite sedge
Holly knew about Yasuho's Stand before anyone else.
She must have one of her own, right?
white beacon
Josuke: Oh wait, that blonde guy wa sjust someone giving me spare change haha
granite sedge
Think we'll ever see it?
summer tree
I remember there were theories going about Tomoki being the main villain
And that he was inside Holly
Back during Born This Way
Because when he was in Mitsuba
Mitsuba looked at Yasuho's 3 measurements
And Holly brought up Yasuho's 3 measurements during that arc
But it's still a tad farfetched for me
granite sedge
I dunno, I guess I could see it?
Tomoki just doesn't strike me as main villain material though.
white beacon
maybe yasuho's just so thicc that everyone wants to check out her measures
granite sedge
His power doesn't fit at all, because all the main villains since part 3 have interacted with spacetime in some way.
And his design just doesn't give me the villain vibe.
summer tree
also how tf did he get that wheelchair in that drawer again
granite sedge
Perhaps he had an associate with a convenient pocket dimension ability.
white beacon
kaato
granite sedge
Although that would be the most random and arbitrary use of Kaato's Stand imaginable.
summer tree
That the fragmentation thing
white beacon
i still don't believe tomoki's fragmentation is his stand
granite sedge
I dunno, I'm really not buying him being the villain. I could see him having an actual Stand, but he doesn't give me the aura of a main villain.
summer tree
honestly should've just made Damo the main villain smh
white beacon
rock persons have done weird shit individually, like with yotsuyu's(?) plastic-wrap eyes
granite sedge
Jojo villains have a really distinct atmosphere. You can look at them and go 'oh yeah, they're the fucker who's doing all this'.
Part 8 has several candidates for that in my eyes, but Tomoki's not one of them.
summer tree
It's just so weird hsving no distinct villain late game
Dio in both instances was clearly the villain
So was Kars
From early on
Kira showed up at the halfway point, but Akira was sort of the stand in villain
We didn't see Diavolo until the end
But we knew from the start that
The Passione boss was gonna be the villain
granite sedge
We felt Diavolo's influence from the beginning. There was no doubt he was the big bad.
summer tree
And Pucci and Valentine are shown early on
So what Part 8 is doing
Is kind of unheard of
granite sedge
This is why the villain is someone we already know.
The story can't introduce someone completely new and have it be convincing.
Granted, this kind of absence of the big bad is unheard of for Jojo in its own right, but I definitely think we've seen the villain.
We just don't know it's them yet.
summer tree
I mean Araki can do what he wants
I know he said the plot converges after this arc
But Jojolion might be longer than we ever thought
For all we know
which I don't want to be the case
granite sedge
I've heard 125 chapters, more or less, suggested for its overall length.
granite sedge
About 30 chapters longer than SBR was.
granite sedge
Something I think might help with determining Jojolion's villain, that I'm taking as a personal validation of my own theory, is part 4.
Part 4 didn't introduce the main villain until about halfway through, after a major arc.
Before then, it was just someone trying to be the main villain.
Which I think is what part 8 is doing, albeit with more big bad wannabes.
Who got introduced in Jojolion after a major arc, potentially halfway into the story?
summer tree
Damo?
granite sedge
Nope. Damo was the wannabe.
The instigator of the major arc.
At the end of the Vitamin C arc, we finally got to see Kaato.
granite sedge
Remember what they said when she left? They all loved her a lot.
She clearly has good publicity.
Considering that, the nature of her Stand, and overall involvement with Jobin (who we know is involved in all kinds of shady shit), I think she's definitely the big bad.
If she is, she definitely seems to prefer operating more from the shadows Diavolo-style, instead of Pucci and Valentine who liked to get hands-on.
summer tree
Huh, well, looking forward to whoever it may be
Part 8 is the only part so far with no references to Speedwagon or a Brando
granite sedge
A theory I have is that Kaato's maiden name was Kaato Brando, but the possibility of her being Kaato Valentine was also discussed a while back.
Either one would give her potential for motivation beyond -insert something family-related here-.
summer tree
It's just a matter of how though
I don't recall Valentine having any kids as Scarlett died in Part 7
Diego I have no idea but he's more likely have had children with some woman
granite sedge
I mean, theoretically Valentine could've had a kid who went abroad to study.
And, well...
I know it's as far from canon as Jojo media can get, but...
He did have a kid in Jorge Joestar.
summer tree
NO STOP
granite sedge
So it's not impossible.
summer tree
CEASE
granite sedge
Alternatively, Diego definitely had illegitimate kids.
There's just no way he didn't.
granite sedge
Another theory I had is that one of Diego's descendants has a kid with Kyo/Kira (if Josuke stays alive and doesn't get split up, we all know he's hooking up with Yasuho) and they'll turn out to be the part 9 Jojo.
summer tree
You know a lot of people say that
SBR is supposed to be a culmination of Parts 1-3
And that Part 8 mirrors Part 4
But I can't help but wonder if in a way
granite sedge
Honestly, I never saw where part 3 was involved other than THE WORLD Diego at the end?
granite sedge
I always figured SBR was part 1 and part 2, JJL was part 3 and 4, and part 9 would be part 5 and 6.
rotund haven
Gyro working to save the kid maybe
summer tree
But that's thing, I see more 2 in 8 than 7
granite sedge
I mean, it's hard to deny Jojolion being the culmination of part 3 and 4 when Josuke2 is literally the fusion of alt!Jotaro and alt!Josuke.
summer tree
That's true
granite sedge
Admittedly I've never seen much of part 2 in SBR either.
rotund haven
Jotaro is literally in part 4
summer tree
I mean you could just reason
That Spin is reflective of hamon
And that's all you need to reflect 1 and 2
granite sedge
Josuke2 is a weird case because he's a fusion of alt!Josuke and alt!Jotaro, who in and of himself is a fusion of Jotaro and part 4 Kira.
granite sedge
But I definitely think Jojolion has part 3 parallels considering that the entire reason Josuke is doing this is to save his mom, who happens to be Holly Kujo.
rotund haven
I'm telling you that's the pt 6 connection
summer tree
Huh
What if Part 7 is just Part 1
granite sedge
Oh no. No no no. Absolutely not. If part 8 has part 6 parallels, that lends credence to the theory that part 8 will be the last Jojo part.
granite sedge
I mean, I know Araki is in his 50s, but I think he has it in him to make one more part after Jojolion.
If we really wanted to stretch it, it could be argued that the mysterious and shadowy nature of part 8's villain is a parallel to Diavolo.
rotund haven
The fruit trade is pretty much Passione
granite sedge
I just can't buy Jojolion being the last part. It doesn't feel like it at all.
And I think rounding the series out with three trilogies would be better.
Stardust Crusaders and Stone Ocean both felt like they could feasibly be the last part of Jojo, and Jojolion doesn't have that vibe at all.
rotund haven
Planning something out vs actually putting it into action I guess
Like Stone Ocean turned out the way it did by the latter half
granite sedge
I guess I just really want part 9 to be the last since I'll probably enjoy it more than Jojolion.
rotund haven
Jojolion just has so much shit in it I cant see how it's supposed to encompass just p4
granite sedge
I didn't like this part very much until like, halfway through.
Whereas part 9, if it happens, would be a culmination of part 5 and 6, my favorite parts from the original universe.
So I've been excited about the possibilities there for a while.
rotund haven
It does sounds great yeah
Kinda want Araki to just cut his losses with Jojolion and finish it up
granite sedge
While my opinion of Jojolion is mixed overall, I do have a lot of fun theorizing about it.
And at this point Jobin and Yasuho are among my favorite characters.
It's just that I don't really care about anyone else yet.
Which is kind of a bad sign 80 chapters in.
rotund haven
Yasuho really?
granite sedge
Yasuho is a likable character to me. She's well-written and feels like a real person, and she develops over the course of the story.
She feels like she's gotten more development to me than Josuke.
I really like her interactions and dynamic with Josuke, and I think it's cool to have a secondary protag who's strictly supportive in nature.
Even if I don't quite understand how Paisley Park actually works.
rotund haven
I'm pretty sure Paisley Park is the main reason I dont like Yasuho
granite sedge
That's fair. It's a weird Stand.
But King Crimson is my favorite villain Stand, so I guess I don't need to know how one works to enjoy it.
summer tree
D4C is best villain stand lol
rotund haven
Whitesnake
granite sedge
Whitesnake is great. I love its design and it has an interesting (if inconsistent) ability.
It also goes with what I said about Yasuho. It's cool to have a villain whose ability is nonoffensive in nature.
granite sedge
I mean, compared to punching holes through peoples' guts and/or straight-up obliterating them out of existence, Whitesnake is very supportive in nature.
Even if it did fuck up poor FF.
rotund haven
Whitesnake is like one of the strongest villain stands
Dude swings his arm and lops off half your body
granite sedge
I dunno, most of its combat feats are against Foo Fighters, who is... weird in terms of physical composition.
I think FF and Jolyne are the only characters Whitesnake Pucci actually fought face-to-face?
And he was completely outmatched against Jolyne.
rotund haven
Take this
rotund haven
Nuthin Personl anna
granite sedge
Okay, I did forget about that.
I dunno, Whitesnake just doesn't have the raw offensive power of all the other villain Stands.
It can still one-shot you, but that's via various tricks on Pucci's part.
rotund haven
I think this one fight just makes him seem ridiculous
kind owlBOT
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summer tree
You know this is the one worry I have about Araki going monthly
He's certainly happier about it
And we got Steel Ball Rin out of it
But at the pace we've gone at
We would have reached Part 11 at this point
And although the monthly format works for SBR
Jojolion's pacing just feels so.....awkward
granite sedge
I do hope Jojolion justifies being monthly soon.
It has the potential to be one of the best Jojo parts.
summer tree
I always wondered why it took longer for monthly chapters
granite sedge
Assuming everything gets wrapped up well and connects in an interesting, believable way.
summer tree
Because shouldn't a single month chapter
Be an equivalent to month's worth of weekly chapters?
At least in terms of page count
Maybe the art takes awhile as Araki spends more time on it
granite sedge
Yeah, I think it's the art.
Something everyone can agree on is that Jojo's monthly art is way better than its weekly art.
Late Vento Aureo and late Stone Ocean were very pretty and well-drawn parts, but mid to late SBR was gorgeous.
rotund haven
It's basically an elongated chapter of the week
A recap-ish segment at the start, looping dialogue, and then action kicks in to the ends
flat vale
At least being caught up on Jojo isn't as bad as being caught up on berserk 😩
summer tree
Oh boi, I've been thinking about getting into Berserk and that comment worries me
flat vale
like if for one reason or another Araki just had to leave Jojo as it is, at least it had seven amazing full length stories. If Miura has to stop then we're left all up in the air forever.
Berserk is an amazing read don't get me wrong, but if you decide to read it always keep in the back of your mind that it will probably not get an ending
Like the best comparison I can make between the two is if part 3 was still currently being produced and they just never make it to DIO. Not like they keep running into him or anything just like story wise they have never been able to make it too him for one good reason or another.
flat vale
There are honestly good stopping points for it, where like if you just stop reading it and treat that one specific point as the ending than you'd be happy.
It's comparable to how you can just use part 6 as a stopping point if you would be into that, but this is the part 8 chat so obviously none of us have done that
summer tree
Yeah, of course
But oh well
There's always some kind of baggage with every good piece of media
craggy belfry
you know, you saying that really disappointed me on what happpened to Star Wars
luckily, before disney buying it could be considered a stopping point too
also, I feel I need to read all the jojo parts in black and white, because sometimes Jojolion's art just rubs me the wrong way
and I hear everyone say its incredible, I just don't feel it
granite sedge
It's not as good as mid-late SBR art, but it's pretty damn good.
Araki's art tends to kind of downgrade a bit at the beginning of a new part.
I think VA and SO are a good example. It takes SO a while to reach the standard of late VA art.
river sail
I think JoJolion's art is really good. Ignoring the dog though
kind owlBOT
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river sail
Tbh early SBR art reaaaally rubbed me the wrong way
granite sedge
Early SBR was a weird time.
You mean before it went monthly?
It didn't go monthly until about 20 chapters in if I recall correctly.
craggy belfry
weren't the early weekly chapters the same length as the later ones?
I find that pretty weird, Araki must've been overworked, but I still found early SBR REALLY good and enjoyable
rich depot
The only thing that bothers me is Iwasuke
But I guess it's a rock animal so it's "okay"
minor ore
SBR was some of the best panels in the whole series.
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minor ore
You can really see how much Araki put his heart into the work at times.
Jojolion looks just as good at times.
minor ore
That's a great trailer
sharp portal
👌
flat vale
I would be content if at some point there’s a loop back. An example someone in here said before is if gappers is the one who pushes jo4uskes car when he was a kid.
Can be taken a logical step further in saying that gap changed the properties of the snow/tires and that’s the only reason they got out at all, josuke wouldn’t have been a stand user yet after all and thus couldn’t see it.
minor ore
It was josefumi
rotund haven
Virgin chad
ebon pulsar
U cant say he's virgin bcz he's the fusion of 2 men, maybe one of them got laid?
craggy belfry
No way Kira HASN'T gotten laid
if he hasn't there's women lining up for him, which makes him a volcel which is the ultimate chad move
also I hop epic snaees doesn't come into this chat anymore and sees the spoilers
elfin mist
has anyone else felt that jjl has been the darkest for deaths and fights so far?
i feel it's starting to rival va on the level of em.
stark fossil
It's definitely going to some places Araki never went to before
Not so much gore-wise I guess
elfin mist
the rock people deaths have been dark, but i've really liked em.
stark fossil
I think people probably consider the latest chapter the darkest the manga has gone
I don't know what the sliding scale of fun vs dark looks like but it's not something I want to think about right now tbh
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summer tree
The bot thinks Gappy is the best because it chose to level me up when I asked about him
granite sedge
7/10. He hasn't done anything that left a serious impact on me.
elfin mist
damo's death scene felt rather dark imo, which also cemented it as one of my favorite deaths lol
rich depot
Ehh, Gappy is below Jotaro imo
But Yashuo?
Yashuo is best girl and gets a FemaleKoichi/10 from me
minor ore
i havent seen any part after 5
just came to say hi
say hi to me in a chat that's 4 or less
bye bye
white beacon
um, okay????
grizzled pilot
josuke was a stand user and could see stands when the man with the pompadour saved him. holly hade the same affliction and she could see stands just fine
summer tree
Your point is?
white beacon
CX is uhhh, "debunking" might be the word, that crackpot theory that this Josuk8 is the one that saved Part4-suke and
in that crackpot theory, part4-suke couldn't "see" josuk8's soft/wet using the bubbles to help in moving the car
summer tree
But like....did he need Soft and Wet to move the car?
I mean it didn't seem like the guy in the flashback used an ability to move it, just brute force
white beacon
yeah he put his jacket underneath and pushed it
as i said, it was a crackpot theory
summer tree
except I somewhat believe the theory that could have been Gappy
ONLY on the basis that we haven't seen underneath the sailor cap
that is my only reasoning
grizzled pilot
ah, i didn't mean to say that it was impossible or anything but it was brought up that josuke (4) wouldn't have been able to see Soft and Wet, but actually he probably would have been able to
summer tree
Oh okay
Yeah him using Soft and Wet doesn't work there
However hasn't Gappy summoned bubbles without his stand physically being there?
Similar to how Johnny can shoot fingernails without Tusk being there?
Or Jolyne turning herself into string without Stone Free being there?
grizzled pilot
cause a stand is part of you
summer tree
Yeah
So perhaps Gappy could use Soft & Wet in the non stand summoning way
But him moving the car like a normal person seems more likely
flat vale
wasn't there some confirmed araki statement that part 4 was supposed to loop around to the point where Josuke was the one who saved himself due to weird time shit during the battle with Killer Queen
white beacon
i don't think so...?
summer tree
Wait what
As far as I know, it being an idea in the first place is also just a theory
We have no idea what Araki was thinking when writing Part 4
granite sedge
The gap in his teeth.
flat vale
someone who got sick of JO8uske
white beacon
Josuk8
olive pier
8
granite sedge
I've heard Jo2uke, but that reminds me of something else.
white beacon
Jo2ke
white beacon
we can't change your mind
granite sedge
I mean... His birth name was Josuke.
flat vale
can't change your mind if it's all crossed out
white beacon
but tbh it fits more i guess since it's 2011, and part4josuke's like, 28 in 2011
granite sedge
I think both Norisuke and Josefumi are both alt!Josuke, just like Kyo and Kira are both alt!Jotaro.
white beacon
there's no such thing as a 1:1 copy of someone in the sbr-verse, except for that stroheim and avdol, so we're just gonna have to play the guessing game
granite sedge
I mean, Johnny and Diego are the only alt!Jonathan and Dio, but they're both quite different from their original universe counterparts.
white beacon
yeah that's what i mean, like, they aren't wholly like the originals
granite sedge
And then there are characters like Funny Valentine who probably aren't anybody's alt version.
Although...
Crack theory time.
Funny Valentine is alt!Speedwagon.
white beacon
i think you mean mountain tim
summer tree
All of the rock people are also originals
Except Dolomiti is supposed to be sort of a Yuya callback
rich depot
I think Norisuke‘s mom was named Tomoko
summer tree
if Part 8 had OPs what would they sound like?
flat vale
@summer tree https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0I4mTEdAf8
flat vale
It's that part 8 has an unclear story for most of it's initial chapters and seems both confusing and empty like TV static, until the later parts where information becomes a little more clear. Hence TV static
summer tree
oh ok lol
stark fossil
I thought Johnny played the AU Speedwagon role pretty well
flat vale
And gyro played the Jonathan role pretty well, when he died
rotund haven
I think a re-read of jojolion when it's done will change my opinion
But rn hoowee is this a stinker
I like talking about it though
hollow fog
That seems. Little harsh
I personally feel its more than fine
But i guess the pacing IS a bit of a crawl
It prolly wont be so bad when the conclusion is actually in sight
summer tree
which is supposed to be after this arc
granite sedge
I still think Tomoki is the Vanilla Ice of Jojolion.
craggy belfry
I personally don't think so
I think we have one or 2 more fights and a few more exposition chapters after Mitsuba goes back to the Higashikata's to explain what happened
summer tree
except
Araki said that
the story is gonna converge after this arc
that means endgame stuff
summer tree
probably a few more
hollow fog
Wait what
summer tree
yes Araki said in an interview
"The story will converge after the hospital arc"
now that can actually mean a bunch of different things
but that mostly means that after this current arc
SOMETHING
is going to happen
hollow fog
END OF JOJOLION(?)
summer tree
keep in mind the end of SBR went on for a longass time lol
D4C fight takes up a whole third of SBR
hollow fog
JOJOLION: You Can (NOT) Pose
craggy belfry
I mean
there was SO MUCH in D4C though
it must have sucked being a monthly reader
but it flowed so well once all together
you just can't put it down, you have to finish
I mean it starts off with a mystery, then Diego trying to take him down, then Johnny and Gyro, then the after effects of ACT 4
hollow fog
I still dont understand or if there will ever be a justification how Josuke and Rai didnt notice the screams of Josukes girlfriend and the dozens of people getting choked to death
AND ALSO didnt see all the debris flying everywhere
Also i read this somewhere else
But i feel like Rock Humans are a result of the use, or rather misuse, of the rokaka to the point it affected unborn babies
Since it affects the entire fetus, it might not be unreasonable to believe that, mayhaps, what the rokaka takes away is not the baby itself, but rather its humanity
Since almost all rock entities except for best boy iwasuke have been complete sociopaths so far
cyan sierra
joshu has worse hair than part four josuke
hollow fog
Why would you do my boy Josuke 4 dirty like that
craggy belfry
joshu does have terrible hair but he is an idiot when it comes to style
I mean I can't help but feel bad for the guy
in every aspect of his life
hollow fog
I kinda like vitamin C. Am i allowed to like Vitamin C?
kind owlBOT
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hollow fog
...apparently the bot does too
minor ore
So is this josuke, the same josuke from part 4
hollow fog
Uh
If you mean Gappy
Oh sir, oh nooooooo he is not
I mean a little bit, naturally but
Well youll learn yourself, soon enough
minor ore
i need the answers rn
hollow fog
...its kinda a huge spoiler if i tell you outright
minor ore
Its fine if you tell me in dms
hollow fog
Okey
craggy belfry
Wait a minute nobody cares about spoilers here we all know What happend why'd you take it to DMs
minor ore
craggy belfry
Why are you in Jojolion chat if you haven't read it
minor ore
Cause i love spoilers
craggy belfry
Josuke is Jotaro-Kira fusing with Josuke-Jotaro
And I hope you are extremely confused after that
minor ore
Not at all
craggy belfry
Good now wryyyyyyyyyyyyyyd jojolion
hollow fog
Yo-Yo Mama is the key to all of this
minor ore
SBR took a long time building up D4C
I think Araki wanted to focus more on characters, and relationships rather then some grand story. But I don't know his mindset.
minor ore
Yeah he was an interesting character.
rotund haven
Wait he said the story is gonna converge after this arc?
That means next arc is going to take up most of next year
minor ore
It'll be the birth of the new fruit and its effect, I bet.
rich depot
Even if it is kinda stupid, I would love it if old-universe Kars was the leader of the rock humans
It would make little sense
But it‘d be amazingly dumb
flat vale
I would cast away any hope of pre universe shenanigans honestly
minor ore
I'd be down for new universe kars.
white beacon
isn't magenta this universe's kars? or well, some form of him
minor ore
I don't think so.
craggy belfry
they only really share the same fate
nothing else is similar except for curly hair
white beacon
his stand is kinda similar to ultimate kars i guess?
minor ore
What is your pfp btw?
white beacon
if you're asking me, it's in the name
minor ore
Oh neat.
versed crown
Hey can someone send me the non-colored reading link of the manga? I wanna catch up
versed crown
Thanks
craggy belfry
np
summer tree
There's actually a black hole
And Kars went through it
And ended up in the SBRverse
whole lion
gehoh gehoh
flat vale
you know after what happened to avdol, it's safe to say Jojoverse blackholes just kill
white beacon
we don't even know what happens when we're in a black hole
also i think you might have meant wormhole
summer tree
Yeah probably lol
flat vale
*ultimate lifeform on earth
flat vale
rotund haven
Just cause he dies in a similar way doesnt make him a counterpart
white beacon
there's no such thing as counterparts here
only same names
tendencies
and
battle tendencies
rich depot
Magenta is more like Kars than Diego is like Dio imo
flat vale
why don't you have a picture it's freaking me out
white beacon
hah i'm on light mode i can see his pfp
rich depot
Ah, my archnemesis!
flat vale
using Achtung Baby in here
wet escarp
Do we have a main villain yet
hollow fog
Nope
wet escarp
God damn it
kind owlBOT
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minor ore
I mean it might be jobin.
wet escarp
That wouldn't be bad
Fried chicken boy is cool
Cooler than that fuckboy 2x2 nutsack who cheats at beetle fights
stark fossil
See I also think of Josuke as fried chicken boy
stark fossil
I just want some assurance from Araki that he hasn't forgotten all this mad stuff and it will all tie in. A written note or something
granite sedge
I mean, he's totally sidelined characters who really should be important.
Remember Kyo and Karera?
Araki doesn't.
stark fossil
Has he forgotten or are they waiting in the wings..........
minor ore
I mean Josuke had a reason to cheat.
stark fossil
Ain't cheating if you don't get caught
That's definitely how it works
Araki taught me a valuable lesson
I will remember it well as I begin my career in finance
wet escarp
No no Josuke DOESN'T like fried chicken. He is large fries boy
He also has no dignity
wet escarp
Like Josuke
stark fossil
Yep
wet escarp
He doesn't like rock people
minor ore
He doesn't dislike them, they all usually just try to kill him.
elfin mist
anyone else feel jjl kinda struggles to keep characters relevant?
looking back on it, it seems to have a bunch of characters who don't hold much reason in the plot after their respective arcs.
rich depot
Or how about the little girl that reappears in one episode of SDC for literally no reason
elfin mist
i mean
with sc, it was araki's earlier works. i just felt jjl was a step down in comparison to sbr which handled its characters well n properly.
wet escarp
Araki just forgets
ionic locust
Ive only recently thought about it but why did josuke have a bite mark when Yasuho found him
It didn’t give him soft and wet because josefumi had that before the equivalent exchange and he didn’t have a bite mark and neither did Kira
wet escarp
Something to do with the wall eyes probably
ionic locust
I assume so but wouldn’t that mean he has another stand?
elfin mist
i don't think wall eyes would stack
no other stand gaining abilities would, except for whitesnake's disks.
but yea, i've noticed and brought that up to you, muoi that occurance as well. idk if it was an araki forgot moment or if it was explained to a degree or not.
ionic locust
Just wanted to get some other people’s inputs on it, redacted.com
elfin mist
yap
summer tree
Rate WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE FUCKING VILLAIN IS YET out of 10
ionic locust
Jobin is the villain bro
granite sedge
Nope, definitely Kaato.
ionic locust
Of course
elfin mist
mmmm you guys seem to be forgetting joshu
rich depot
Yashuo is secretly the villain
summer tree
you know I want you to think of something crazy for a second
think of this
the main villain of a part
is a character's stand
not the character themselves
but the stand
unborn merlin
The villain is SBR-verse is Anubis. I can dig it
rich depot
Koichi loses control of Echoes Act 3 and he three freezes the entire multiverse.
flat vale
If only part 8’s plot was more straight forward we wouldn’t need all these fantasies/theories
grizzled pilot
it's not supposed to be straightforward. it's supposed to be a mystery
rotund haven
It's not supposed to be so dragged out either
minor ore
Hello jojolion fans.
white beacon
i...i like jojolion...
but like, i also don't care much about the negatives about it
minor ore
I love jojolion.
It's just not watch people expected, but that's it's strongest aspect.
It's different focal point from the other parts.
craggy belfry
I personally think the guy who was in Josuke's vision was the retconned vision of Jobin
cause remember, Kira was also changed
but that doesn't explain HOW he was in Josuke's vision
and I'm not sure if Araki will look at the past with Kira and Josefumi anymore
minor ore
He will.
Maybe, we still didn't see the origins of the photo.
I doubt he'll just be like so they died.
craggy belfry
you're probably right since he just brought Mitsuba back, but this arc has been dragging on with atleast one unnecessary chapter when it could have been shortened so its been a while imo
rotund haven
I think the 'complaining' is fine @old marlin
minor ore
People complain about all the parts regardless lmao
rotund haven
Discussing what you like and dislike is good for us
minor ore
Very true.
rotund haven
Mostly dislike
craggy belfry
I don't know why you're so against people complaining, the complaints are legitimate and its only because we want it to be better and we talk about the ways it could be, not because we hate it
minor ore
Yeah, I complain about a bunch of other shows.
Just not jojo, I like it too much.
So I am biased.
craggy belfry
nothing is perfect, not even steel ball run, that has a lot of flaws that I wish were fixed and I still love it more than anything
minor ore
It's closest to perfect you could get though.
rotund haven
We out here cause we fans
minor ore
At least when it comes to jojo, imo.
craggy belfry
yeah Araki kind of forgot to focus on the race (they were always after checkpoints but we didn't see most of the other contestants the later it got in the part) and the Kingdom of Naples going after the corpse was kind of phased out for only Hot Pants going after the corpse
also, ZOMBIE HORSE
Atleast they ran out of it, I liked that touch
showed it wasn't forgotten
minor ore
That's the point though, the race wasn't really the focus of the story.
It was about Johnny growing up.