jojolion

[summer tree]

like it doesn't flow well at all

like I mean stuff just started happening at the end of the last chapter

and like it's just been 2 chapters of talking

with stuff that doesn't need to be said

I felt with previous parts there was always a method of tracking progress

Part 1 had it's set up, and after awhile, it was just a matter of getting to Dio's castle

Part 2 had 3 pillar men and the stone, with every pillar man defeated, we were a little closer to victory

Part 3 had a clear destination to Egypt, and even then, we had the tarot card stands and Egyptian god stands so we could know exactly how many there were

Part 4 was kind of doing its own thing for awhile, but we always had Kira as a goal, and towards the latter half of Part 4 we had Kira's father who said the exact number of stands left (I believe it was 6)

[violet sentinel]

it just works

[summer tree]

Part 5 split into 2 halves, had 2 clear destinations, one for getting Trish to Diavolo and the other for reach Polnareff in Rome

[violet sentinel]

don't worry about it

[summer tree]

Part 6 just had getting out of jail but most chapters had progression as well as just trying to reach Pucci during the out of jail half, with the 3 Dio sons as sort of mini bosses

[violet sentinel]

• giorno

[summer tree]

Part 7 I think is the best example with each stage of the race

9 stages

[violet sentinel]

gotta use those balls

[summer tree]

progress always being made

Part 8 is just like Rokakaka, but there's like no progress being made I feel

we just keep running around in circles

I mean back during Ozone Baby there was a countdown for the Rokakaka but after it was taken off the branch and planted with the cactus instead

that countdown got longer

we're just making progress slower

[violet sentinel]

Gotta tie up loose ends

and give exposition

[white beacon]

brah just let araki do his thing, he's got so much freedom and he won't be taken down cuz he's super fame so he's prolly experimenting on a lot of stuff he wanted

[summer tree]

I guess

it's just the pacing in Part 8 is so jarring compared to the other 7 parts

[white beacon]

part 8's got a lot going for its endgame, gappy's memories, the smuggling corporation, the neo-rokakaka, the higashikata family as a whole

wall eyes too and bite marks

[violet sentinel]

araki remembering the wall eyes and bite marks, Naaaaaa that aint happening

[white beacon]

prolly

i mean, he did remember smokey

after like, ditching him for shiza

also the wall eyes is somethign he draws usually since the higashikata estate is near it so he ain't forgetting it anytime soon

[summer tree]

people have doubts since it's been awhile since he's drawn them I think

I forget the last time he drew them though

[keen shoal]

I really hope that this is the one where he brings it all together and just goes "fuck you I remember everything!"

[supple totem]

i am very confused

how come the both of them have the rokakaka branch?

and not just that! after the page with joubin and the tsurugi they show some other dudes having the rokakaka branch

plz someone explain

[surreal harbor]

Is jobin a good guy noe or

[supple totem]

wait it was the fake branch they got in the ambulance

oof

[white beacon]

uhhh, i feel like you skipped the part where they simply broke the branch in the ambulance

[supple totem]

yea thats when they said it was a fake one

[kind owl]

@supple totem, Your Gangstar cred is now level 6 !

[supple totem]

ordenary pear branch

it was explained that poor tom have been under paper moon kings curse

so he took the wrong branch thinking it was the rokakaka branch

[ripe marlin]

joubin had tsurugi make him look like that oragami bird

he grabs the real branch, swaps it out with a fake one

[rotund haven]

People are too quick to defend jojolion smh

Just cause "It's a mystery" and "It's not finished yet" means I can't criticize the bad stuff we've gotten so far

[hollow raven]

Jojolion isn’t as bad as stone ocean

Even then stone ocean isn’t necessarily bad it’s just not really good

[sharp portal]

I was really hoping Jojolion would focus on the rock formations and be a full on mystery

[rotund haven]

The "mystery" is clashing with the "baddy of the week" formula

Sorry "Villain of the multiple months"

[surreal harbor]

Whoever said part 6 isnt good

Nuh uh thats not it bosd

[ripe marlin]

Wot

Bosd?

[surreal harbor]

Boss

[ripe marlin]

Ah

[surreal harbor]

Jojolion is cool

Its just

Unfocused

Like it has some really cool stuff

[ripe marlin]

Its less unfocused and more suddenly chsnged themes once

[surreal harbor]

Jobin telling josuke to take a tissue?

Chilling

The dick?

It was very important

[ripe marlin]

What about those balls though

[surreal harbor]

Balls arent as importsnt

What if in the final fight the villains power is to steal ur nuts but josuke survives cause hes got extra

[ripe marlin]

What about the girls

[surreal harbor]

Its a grateful dead situation

Yasuhos doing

Whatever yasuho does

[rotund haven]

Do you guys like yasuho?

[ripe marlin]

Ye

[twin peak]

Yes

Too bad she gonna share jobro’s fate

DIE

[violet sentinel]

There isn’t a need to be excited you kinda just go read the new jojolion chapters every 6 months

[cyan tartan]

Hey, quick question because I’m confused. How come they want the new branch? When the wall eyes were able to fuse the lime and orange without any issue?

Like, what’s the point of the new plant of the wall eyes do literally the same thing when you bury yourself

Someone please help.

[ripe marlin]

The new plant was created from the wall eyes, but the wall eyes cant constantly peoduce the new rokaka

The only way of obtaining it at the moment is through the new branch

[violet sentinel]

I’m pretty sure it is just that they want to know what the branch can do

Or that they don’t know the secret of fusing

[white beacon]

the new rokakaka can easily be mass produced too, so it's something the organization would benefit from

[supple totem]

but if they mass produced it, it would get caught by the police

and then the organization would have done goof

[white beacon]

um, where they caught making old rokakaka's for the smuggling business? no

i rest my case

[minor ore]

uhh

guys

gyro dies in part 7

[rotund haven]

fusion is just a cheap tactic to make weak rock humans stronger

[twin peak]

Delet it

[ripe marlin]

Bruh kira and josefumi aint rock humans tho

[twin peak]

They are joestars

[ripe marlin]

Josefumi aint a joestar tho

Only kirs is jn the bloodline

[obtuse lily]

Hey guys can someone send me a link of colored jojolion

I only found colored to love love deluxe part 3

[keen shoal]

#421721719309467649

[rotund haven]

Cause it's only colored to love live deluxe

[green nacelle]

Jobin best part 8 JoJo

[keen shoal]

I kinda hope Josuke turns heel and ends up being the final enemy.

[rotund haven]

I'll say it

We shouldve followed kira, josefumi, and karera

I find them as a group so interesting

And somehow they're more engaging than most of our mcs

[violet sentinel]

I would have loved to see a vilans stand be used by the protagonist

[rotund haven]

I'd say keep kira completely the same

Maybe change soft and wets grafting ability

Make karera more comedic and less of a garbage person

[violet sentinel]

Kira was a lot like jotaro

[kind owl]

@violet sentinel, Your Gangstar cred is now level 1 !

[violet sentinel]

cold and not realy interesting

[rotund haven]

Subjective

[violet sentinel]

Objectively Joseph is best

[acoustic ocean]

What was the chapter where baby Tom was... spoiler alert dead

I left there and i forget so idk how many chapters came out

[white beacon]

iirc only like, 2 or 3 chapters passed after that

[acoustic ocean]

Well

I remember something about a hiatus too

[rich depot]

This week in Araki Can‘t Draw Dogs:

[kind owl]

@rich depot, Your Gangstar cred is now level 1 !

[proper patrol]

IT LOOKS LIKE A TINY FUCKIGNG HORSE

[grizzled pilot]

dogs are all like that in the SBR universe

[flat vale]

Bunch of big ass dogs in part 7

[fervent yoke]

Just one

Iwasuke

A good boy

[bitter grail]

I just started jojo lion

Araki really wilding on this one

[tough trout]

ive been up to date with the colour volumes for a while is it worth catching up entirely

[ripe marlin]

@rich depot DONT SHIT ON MY BEAUTIFUL DOG IWASUKE

HE IS BEAUTIFUL AND IMMORTAL

[rich depot]

...But it has no neck

[cursive patrol]

Yo

It’s Jake the dog

Araki that sell out

[white beacon]

araki somehow, draws the dogs worse as he grows older

i guess he really hates dogs to an unconscious level

[flat vale]

You could say that dog rocks

[ripe marlin]

[supple totem]

BA DUM TSSH

[supple totem]

i didnt quite understand the doctors stand

if the rock particals fuses into your body you become heavy?

[white beacon]

we don't understand it either, since like, we barely even got to see it, or if it is a stand ability

[violet sentinel]

who knowws

it could be a stand making the doctor have a stand that makes stands

that break things down

[knotty sigil]

Did somebody say BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN

[violet sentinel]

Holy shit is that a jojo refrence

[strong glen]

I-is that a-a J-Jojoke?

[twin peak]

Breakdown is unbreakable

[pastel wadi]

breakdown is not crash*

[summer tree]

Part 8 is the worst Part cause there have been no references to Speedwagon

[ashen solar]

Yet

[old marlin]

chapter 90 feels like a good jumping off point for jojolion

[wicked talon]

can i just complain that Jojonium is not the name of part 8

[ripe marlin]

Thats becauze jojonium is the name of the republished manga

Iirc jojolion is a play on words in japan

Injust dont remember how

[surreal harbor]

Lion as a suffix refers to biblical shit

Araki is calling gappy jesus

[white beacon]

-lion from "evangelion" which means "good news" in the context of the biblical texts

but yeah jesusuke

[strong crane]

Josus Joestar

[violet sentinel]

I mean Jesus was in part 7. Is gappy the corpse parts?

[versed crown]

Why didnt you just call it jojolion in the poll so we dont get confused

[ebon pulsar]

Cant be sure since they showed how josuke appeared

I dont think araki will bring corpse part back in part 8 tbh

[white beacon]

the corpse aprts were already brought back

[versed crown]

Iwasuke is jesus confirmed?

[white beacon]

johnny buried them under some weird tree

[ebon pulsar]

But didnt the American agency take it back?

I wonder how and WHEN will part 8 end

[white beacon]

also about the poll, that was probably a typo

[ebon pulsar]

Poll?

[white beacon]

check announcements

[ebon pulsar]

Ohh

[twin peak]

But did holy corpse prevent 9/11?

[violet sentinel]

It was originally much worse

The corpse part saved it

[flat vale]

Does WWII exist in part 7/8 Universe is the real question?

[knotty sigil]

Most likely yeah, all jojo parts take place in the real world so there’s no reason to omit WWII

[ripe marlin]

Part 7 takes place before it and part 8 takes place after it

[knotty sigil]

Yeah

[grizzled pilot]

joseph not existing prevents world war 2 actually

[ebon pulsar]

XDDDDD

[knotty sigil]

joseph existed

[white beacon]

reminder: please don't think of this as the same joseph or a counterpart from the one in the original universe, could be an entirely different joseph with only the same name

and woah george2 got busy

[knotty sigil]

I'm aware

[white beacon]

that was to those who weren't aware

[knotty sigil]

au joseph is a good boy, seems like he didnt have an affair

[white beacon]

maybe he did, but this time, no one knew at all

i mean, josefumi exists and he has "Josephmi" bedazzled on his phone

[ashen solar]

i want joshu to king nut in me

[minor ore]

what about god nut

[summer tree]

you know I hope that the Part 8 main villain is sort of their own thing

one thing I like in Part 7 is that despite having a case of characters that were related to all the previous parts

Funny Valentine was his own thing, he had nothing to do with Parts 1-6 in any matter

and I hope the Part 8 villain might be a little similar

[flat vale]

Bold of you to assume the part 8 villain hasn't already been shown

[summer tree]

well

they might have

could be a character with a

non previous part connection

[strong crane]

What if like the infinite spin of Tusk act 4 wasn't infinite, and Funny Valentine comes back

[kind owl]

@strong crane, Your Gangstar cred is now level 1 !

[strong crane]

Reading that again made me realize how fucking stupid that is

[flat vale]

Yeah I was going to say I don't even think that's what killed him

[nocturne charm]

valentine zombie

[rich depot]

I can‘t wait until the Vitamin C arc is just a black screen in the anime

[summer tree]

I don't know

Vitamin C isn't really bloody perse

it's very grotesque

but not bloody

[violet sentinel]

Gappy is actually the villain

[flat vale]

^ Think about it, he is half kira

[kind owl]

@flat vale, Your Gangstar cred is now level 1 !

[supple totem]

KONNO GAPPY DA!

[kind owl]

@supple totem, Your Gangstar cred is now level 2 !

[ashen solar]

oh?

[flat vale]

They save Holly and she's the villain the entire time

[rich depot]

I love how "save holly" is the goal for two completely different Jojo parts

Why does the universe hate her so much

[white beacon]

because, araki is god

actually yeah, i never actually noticed that before

[white beacon]

lol who coloured those?

[fervent yoke]

I colored some panels from the latest chapter because I really like the design of mitsuba's stand

[white beacon]

oh

slight panics

i like the gold/white one better

adds more contrast compared to mitsuba and the background

[fervent yoke]

yea

same here

[white beacon]

i didn't mean to insult, sorry i said "lol"

[fervent yoke]

no problem

the white/gold looks a lot better yeah

[minor ore]

part 8 jojo is a lion?

[white beacon]

no

[rotund haven]

The villain of part 8 is actually SBR Giorno

Head of the fruit gang

[ebon pulsar]

new chapter is out?

[white beacon]

on th 19th, i think

[faint lance]

all the ladie's stands in part 8 have the best designs

[ebon pulsar]

Yoshikage kira 8 is the only best character in part 8

[summer tree]

But Gappy is the best Part 8 character

But tbf he's part Kira so like

I guess that counts as Kira?

[ebon pulsar]

I dont like gappy that much

He seems

Weird

[wicked saddle]

he IS weird

[ebon pulsar]

He's my least favorite jojo

[wicked saddle]

ok

[ebon pulsar]

Yea

Maybe he gets some development ahead

Which makes him like better

[wicked saddle]

or he sleeps under a bed

[ebon pulsar]

Wow XDD

I remember that

[summer tree]

He's my third favorite Jojo

With only Jolyne and Johnny surpassing him

[wicked saddle]

so jolyne as #1?

[ebon pulsar]

I mean compared to all other jojos, he's not that great

[summer tree]

No Jolyne as #2

[ebon pulsar]

For me jotaro and johnny are #1

[summer tree]

Johnny is #1

[wicked saddle]

ah

why is that?

[summer tree]

Johnny is the Jojo with most development and most developed character overall

And I mean his backstory probably has the most fleshing out and comes back to haunt him the most

[ebon pulsar]

Yea and he js so relatable to me

Is*

[summer tree]

And just his dynamic with Gyro is great

He's a solid Jojo and my favorite

[ebon pulsar]

Gyro is best jobro for me

[wicked saddle]

yeah i see that

and i agree

[summer tree]

Same

[ebon pulsar]

Like the way he is and the way he goes with johnny is

Perfect

[summer tree]

Gyro is also the best Jobro

[ebon pulsar]

Part 7 is great overall

Even funny valentine was great

[summer tree]

It has the best content overall

Funny Valentine is great but I only rank him as the third best villain

I like Pucci and Kira more

Kira being #1

[ebon pulsar]

I like kars way more

His motives and everything makes him no 1 for me

And this
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/395354425016975373/497109961273507850/Screenshot_204.png

[wicked saddle]

i mean that IS convincing

[summer tree]

The way I see it

[ebon pulsar]

And the way he cares abt animals and plants

[summer tree]

Kira > Pucci > Valentine > Dio Brando > Diavolo > Kars > DIO

[wicked saddle]

poor DIO

[ebon pulsar]

For me
Kars > Valentine > Diavolo > Kira > Pucci > Dio brando > DIO

Yea that seems it

[summer tree]

Wow DIO above Dio Brando? That's weird

Dio was a much more solid character in Phantom Blood

[ebon pulsar]

I mean they both r the same

[summer tree]

Tham he was in Stardust Crusaders

[ebon pulsar]

Thats tru

And he was less asshole

Lemme just correct that

[summer tree]

Parts 1 and 3 Dio are very different lol

He might as well be 2 different characters

[ebon pulsar]

Yea

Dio brando as a 12 was cool

If he didnt become an asshole, he would have been my fav part 1 character

[wicked saddle]

part 1 dio was asshole dog kicker tho lol

[summer tree]

I mean let's be fair

All of the villains are assholes

Different levels of assholes

But all of them are assholes

[wicked saddle]

but are they ALL dog-kicking assholes

who kick dogs then throw them into incinerators for shits and giggles

[summer tree]

I mean I'm sure most would kicks dogs
You could reason with Kars, but Kars made a squirrel rat another squirrel

[wicked saddle]

and the incinerator?

[summer tree]

Why does the incinerator matter I'm sure every villain would throw a dog in an incinerator to reach their goals if that was required of them.

Kars made a squirrel eat another squirrel

Kira has killed countless innocent people

[wicked saddle]

diavolo murders anyone who has the slightest possibility of seeing him

pucci killed the universe

[summer tree]

Valentine attempted to rape before

[wicked saddle]

and we don't have a main part 8 villan yet, right?

[ebon pulsar]

Yea

Maybe its jobin

Who knows

His motives are similar to dio part 1

[summer tree]

Who knows

[ebon pulsar]

I like how part 8 has been on going since 2011 and we still dont know who the antagonist is

[summer tree]

That could be a bad thing

[ebon pulsar]

Maybe 2019 is the last year for part 8

Bcz it has been goin on for 8 years

[minor ore]

Wouldn't that make this the longest running part?

[summer tree]

Yeah, probably

[minor ore]

yikes

[ebon pulsar]

Like 5 parts have been anime adapted and he is still writing one part

That way we can catch up with manga while part 9 is on going

[violet sentinel]

Oof

7 years of jojolion

araki realy needs to get onto the plot

or we could fuck around more

[pastel kestrel]

jojolion: the infinite story

[summer tree]

Jojolion: The Story with shit pacing

I think one of the things you can cite for shit pacing if anything is the Blue Hawaii arc

and I got into Jojo after it finished

that arc went on for way too long

[fervent yoke]

Does mamezuku have an official color palette yet?

If not, do any of you have some ideas on what would look good?

[flat vale]

Green, red, brown

[fervent yoke]

Rad

[rotund haven]

I feel like araki is just wasting pages sometimes

There's just so many panels of characters saying things through multiple panels but it all means the same thing

[summer tree]

the last 2 chapters of the Hospital arc cite this well

they just repeat stuff

that didn't need to be repeated

[rotund haven]

I cant tell if araki is trying to create a mood for the scene, or he's really just stretching for 30 pages

[kind owl]

@rotund haven, Your Gangstar cred is now level 2 !

[summer tree]

I mean it would be in his best interest to like

keep the story moving

I mean why draw so much

to show nothing happening

[minor ore]

this better be the ED when this part gets animated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GW6sLrK40k

[knotty sigil]

I really hope araki doesn’t forget about the wall eyes and the bite marks, as well as kyo nijimura’s character as a whole

Though him bringing Mitsuba into the story gives me hope that he hasn’t forgotten kyo

Cuz she hadn’t done shit until this arc, unlike kyo

I doubt Jobin will be the final villain, but there could possibly be something of a direct Jobin vs Josuke fight, kinda like how Johnny and Diego wound up fighting in the very end as they were rivals for the whole series

I reaaaally hope Kaato comes back into the story soon. Preferably once this current fight with Tomoki ends.

That’s a bunch of my thoughts in this part so far

[flat vale]

I mean the entire story is just getting stretched extremely thin due to so many plot elements that’s it’s definitely going to be hard to wrap it up all nicely without some major plot holes

[knotty sigil]

Yeah I see what you mean

[kind owl]

@knotty sigil, Your Gangstar cred is now level 4 !

[knotty sigil]

But if araki takes his time with it I’m sure he can make a damn good conclusion

However that’s def gonna take like 2 years tbh

Making JJL extremely long

But if that’s what it takes I’m all for it

[violet sentinel]

In Jojolion it doesn’t feel like much has actually happened

Just sort of meandering

[rotund haven]

I must find out who I am

I must save holly san

I must garden fruits

I, wait wtf

must kill rock humans

[violet sentinel]

I must hunt down some ambulance driver very slowly

[white beacon]

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Hot Pink Rai

[knotty sigil]

Tbh I used to think soft and wet was kinda stupid but as I went through the part I slowly started changing my mind

Now it’s like easy top 10 for me

[dusky geyser]

For me Paisley Park is my favorite.

[vast pine]

Star Platinum

[flat vale]

perfect opportunity to say Star Catinum

[rich depot]

Oh boy

I just finished chapter 79

This is how feel about the next chapter

[white beacon]

@vast pine please move that to #manga-jojokes or #memes-and-images

[minor ore]

Yo josuke pull out your soft and wet

[cedar palm]

St

Oo

0

P

[dusky geyser]

Hard and dry.

[vast pine]

@white beacon I confused jojolion with jojokes my bad, rip

[summer tree]

there's a theory that Part 8 Josuke

is the Josuke in the snow

and the only reason this theory holds any ground at all

is that Gappy has not shown the underside of his hat at all

we have never seen his hair

and for all we know

there's a pompodour right underneath it

[flat cave]

i mean, the "impossible hair under the hat" thing has happened before, so there's a precedent

[vague wasp]

gappy is the only s tier and that’s valid

[slow cobalt]

really? air pressure dude seems pretty invincible

[summer tree]

no, this isn't power tiers

this is just how much I LIKE the stands

[slow cobalt]

oh ok

[flat vale]

Daiya only C tier? Is that character power or likeability?

[flat cave]

how much he likes them.

[flat vale]

My take, only a few differences from MM's so I used it as a base

[white beacon]

a bit of josuke's hair can be seen in some of the covers and illustrations and it's in a curly, un-styled way, like, just natural hair, so i don't think he has a pompadour

araki has already expressed in an interview that the original universe and the sbr universe aren't connected by space and time, thus, no chance of connecting to each other at all through some stand or something. and he expressed this in the case of the two josukes

so nah, jo2ke ain't the one who saved josuke from part4

[summer tree]

BUT WHAT THE CRAZY DIAMOND CHALK

[white beacon]

easter egg

[summer tree]

BUT WHAT DOES IN MEAN IN THE CONTEXT OF CANON

[white beacon]

uhh, i dunno, random OC from that kid?

[summer tree]

unacceptable answer

[white beacon]

i mean, the famous hats of previous parts also exist in that shop but most of them can be thought of just being there because it's a common hat, like joatro's ripped sailor cap. johnny's and gayro's hats are there too but i guess you can say that those hats are famous because, well, they're johnny and gyro's

[summer tree]

look I just want Parts 7 and 8 to be more than just a new universe that has nothing to do with Parts 1-6

a man can wish, can't he?

[white beacon]

a man can, yes, but only so few of those wishes will ever come true

[summer tree]

then I just have to wish for a shit ton of things and there's a good chance that one of those things will be true

can it be this one?

[stark fossil]

Man obviously it's gonna be DIO's hair under that hat because you weren't expecting it

[kind owl]

@stark fossil, Your Gangstar cred is now level 7 !

[rich depot]

Without explaination Josuke just turns into a dinosaur

[fervent yoke]

t!tg train

[violet merlin]

Try again!

Your Tatsugotchi stares at you blankly. Maybe you should try again.

[white beacon]

maybe in #bot-commands m8

[fervent yoke]

OH I’m sorry Jan I messed up

[white beacon]

it fine desu

[flat vale]

Scary monsters just laid dormant in Johnny and it was passed to Josuke somehow

[stark fossil]

I wonder how they will localise the Higashikata Stands given that they might have to keep "King" in there

I had this horrible vision of them just replacing "King" with "Emperor" for all of the Stands

[white beacon]

Nut Emperor Call and Emperor Nothing

[stark fossil]

California Emperor Bed

Wal Emperor Heart

[white beacon]

oh shit walking heart exists, so they probs won't chang the King part of the name

Walking Hurts, Cali King Bad, and Not King Call

[elfin mist]

emperor nothing actually sounds pretty cool ngl

nut emperor call sounds way goofier tho lol

[white beacon]

i like emperor, sounds more imposing and powerful than king

that's why i look forward to VA's subs, cuz it'll have Emperor Crimson

[summer tree]

the thing is they typically go with

the fighting game names

[stark fossil]

WALKING HURTS 😆

[summer tree]

and Nut King Call

was turned into Nuts and Bolts

but once again

the fighting games were made very early on in Part 8's run

so we only had one or two KING stands known at the time

[stark fossil]

Did Soft and Wet escape localisation

[kind owl]

@stark fossil, Your Gangstar cred is now level 8 !

[white beacon]

yeah, amazingly

[stark fossil]

Wow

[summer tree]

once again

just because it escaped localization naming in the games

does not mean it's safe

Crunchyroll may come for it at some point or another

[stark fossil]

I thought CR's policy was just to copy the games

[white beacon]

i mean, it's jjl, it'll be like, 10 years from now for it to be animated

rights could be changed, someone else would manage the localisation for better names

who knows

[summer tree]

that's true

but Prince stuff has remained hard to get for several decades now

even beyond Jojo

[stark fossil]

If they managed to use Soft and Wet even when he was alive then

I can't imagine the rules being more strict in the future

[white beacon]

i was talking in more for the King stands

[stark fossil]

But idk much about this stuff at all

[white beacon]

but if the game localisation can avoid Soft and Wet's copyright, then that's coo

[stark fossil]

Is there a consensus on Haato's power? In my head it's very forcefully stretching anything she is in contact with

*Hato

[white beacon]

we only see it once and she only uses it with one thing so for now, it's sitll pretty mysterious

no exposition about it during her use too

[summer tree]

Paisley Park didn't get off easy however, and that's also Prince

it was turned into Flower Park

[stark fossil]

I imagine a combo attack where she stretches out the partner to hit a faraway enemy and to put extra force behind the partner's punch

I thought they only showed S&W and NKC in EoH

[summer tree]

apparently not

[stark fossil]

Flower Park, that's pretty bad

I'd have chosen Parsley Park but that's worse

[white beacon]

some stands aren't playable, but they still play a part in story mode and extra stuff, so yeah

[stark fossil]

Oh cool!

[summer tree]

also actually

we do have a localization name for King Nothing too

[stark fossil]

Emperor Null

[summer tree]

"King of Nothingness"

[stark fossil]

Ooooffffffff

[summer tree]

California King Bed too

"King Bed"

[stark fossil]

Well

I didn't think much of the original name so

[summer tree]

oh also

we have one for

"I Am a Rock" too

"I, Rock"

[stark fossil]

I don't think that is so bad

[white beacon]

though Paper Moon King escaped copyright too, though maybe because it's namesake isn't exactly those three words

[stark fossil]

That song is old as hecc isn't it?

[summer tree]

there's only one instance I've seen so far for

[stark fossil]

I think in the UK 70 years after the creator's death you can use a work

[summer tree]

the fighting name game

and the anime name being different

and that would be with Pearl Jam

[stark fossil]

Oh wow

[summer tree]

the games called it Opal Jam

and the anime called it Pole Jam

[stark fossil]

I quite like Opal Jam

I heard there is a way for people to replace the Crunchyroll subs at least

So hyped to see the Vitamin B fight animated

[summer tree]

you see there's particular names that I don't see getting copyrighted

like Vitamin C because it's a normal term

but they also localized

"Echoes" into Reverb for some reason

[white beacon]

i like vitamin c fight, it's kinda like the soft machine fight, but more body horror

[summer tree]

so I don't know how they decide what gets changed and what doesn't

also the Vitamin C fight is more plot important than Soft Machine ever was

[white beacon]

i think it's maybe because some of the stand names are copyrighted while the other aren't, and this plays a big part because araki has expressed that he uses music references for almost all of his stands after part 3. so it comes down to the copyright companies to take advantage of this and stuffs

[stark fossil]

Vitamin B >>>>>>>>>>> Flaccid Contraption

[gilded ferry]

Have they introduced the main antagonist yet

[white beacon]

not yet to our knowledge

or they already did but we don't recognize them as the main antagonist

[vague wasp]

i thought joubin is the main antagonist

for now at least

[white beacon]

probably

[gilded ferry]

What's jojolions "quirk"

Like you have Italian gangsters

Horse race with jesus

[summer tree]

uh

amnesia

fruit alchemy?

[gilded ferry]

Hm

Not as cool as mysterious serial killer

[white beacon]

yeah fruit alchemy is its quirk

[gilded ferry]

Interesting

[ionic locust]

rokakaka / rock people i think

[stark fossil]

Jobin is the quirk

[gilded ferry]

does the saints corpse or the spin have any importance in part 8?

[summer tree]

do you want us to answer that question?

[white beacon]

he's asking so i'll just go ahead and answer

[summer tree]

okay

[white beacon]

somewhat yes, and no

[summer tree]

well actually

the spin is somewhat important but it's like one scene

and it relate to the corpse

[white beacon]

hmm, i guess

they have importance but it's for uhhh, clarification's sake

[gilded ferry]

I think I know what scene you're referring to but besides that scene

[summer tree]

spin is not important as far as we know

[stark fossil]

Mixed opinions on whether one of the characters is using Spin

But apart from that

[summer tree]

Part 8 isn't over yet

so we don't know everything

[stark fossil]

It's just that one scene that involves the corpse and the Spin

[summer tree]

also this is the first time I've heard theories about a character using spin

which one?

[stark fossil]

When Rai sees the cord on his finger

Some people say it's spinning but Rai said it's vibrating

[summer tree]

huh that's interesting

[stark fossil]

I'd agree with the character who's in the world tbh

[summer tree]

tbf we don't know a whole ton about Doggy Style since it's not been given a proper ability description yet

despite how we've seen it do a lot

[gilded ferry]

How close is part 8 from the end approx

[summer tree]

probably like

2 more years

[white beacon]

uuuhhh, we don't know exactly

[stark fossil]

Doggystyle is ultimate just extremely balanced telekinesis

[summer tree]

Araki said in an interview that

after the hospital arc

[white beacon]

i mean, araki can stretch it infinitely

[summer tree]

the plot will start to "converge"

[stark fossil]

Probably the most reasonable depiction of telekinesis I've ever seen

[white beacon]

isn't doggystyle, like, just a variant of stone free?

[stark fossil]

Well everyone's a variant of someone

[white beacon]

hmm, true

[stark fossil]

Stone free can't pick stuff up in string mode

But Rai can't listen to people

Or hit very hard

"Start to converge" huh

That could mean anything

[summer tree]

I assume the plot points will start coming together

wall eyes

bite marks

Rokakaka

rock people

we might see the start of a climax

which could be awhile since the Funny Valentine fight takes up

[stark fossil]

If the next arc was the final one...

[summer tree]

a whole third of SBR

so who knows how long this arc could take

[stark fossil]

It feels like JJL is nowhere near ready to end yet

Or maybe I'm just not ready for JJL to end

😢

[summer tree]

honestly I don't care

I just want the plot to move

my main complaint so far has just be the shit pacing in Jojolion

and you could reason that's because we're in the middle of the part

but I caught up in June

and even before I caught up

certain things just went on for longer then they should have

Blue Hawaii

[stark fossil]

There are I think four arcs I wasn't impressed by in JJL

And they are all rock human arcs

[white beacon]

bruh, 90% of jjl is rock human arcs

[summer tree]

Milagro Man is second best arc, change my mind

[white beacon]

more or less

[stark fossil]

Aishou probably my least favourite. Can only deal with so many pages of running around not breathing

[summer tree]

tbf I do love the conclusion to Doobie Wah

[stark fossil]

Blue Hawaii was also a bit of a chore to get through

[summer tree]

with Jobin bus

that was great

[stark fossil]

Yes the win was excellent

But the lead up dragged badly

[summer tree]

with Blue Hawaii

it's just

Josuke running

something gorey happens

Josuke running

something gorey happens

Josuke running

something gorey happens

[stark fossil]

yep

[summer tree]

and then he just

gives up

at the baby

because all of a sudden

Josuke cares about some random baby

even though that's against his character

since he doesn't really have a moral compass with people he knows

[stark fossil]

While he was drawing Josuke running he was definitely thinking of better arcs

I think the Josefumi in him would want to not kill a baby

[summer tree]

honestly the best parts of Blue Hawaii was just what Jobin and Yasuho were up to

Jobin talking to Dolomiti

and Yasuho trying to track down Dolomiti

[stark fossil]

What happened to Yasuho was pretty cool there too

[summer tree]

I heard when Blue Hawaii started everybody was freaking out

because they thought the kid with the cap was Emporio

and everybody started making theories

and it was just

nothing

[stark fossil]

I don't see the weirdness at the beginning ever being explained. I don't mind too much though; this is Morioh

[summer tree]

wish I could have seen that lol

[stark fossil]

Hahaha

[summer tree]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dkI_dwy9ac

this video cites why it doesn't work very well

also a quote from this video

Everyone after this chapter released: "WOAH HOLY SHIT OH MY GA IS HE GONNA GO TELL JOSUKE THE SECRETS OF THAT HE'S LIVING IN A UNIVERSE CREATED BY MADE IN HEAVEN EVEN THOUGH IT MAKES NO SENSE BECAUSE STEEL BALL RUN AND JOJOLION HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH MADE IN HEAVEN AND- oh wait no, he just gets hit by a car and dies"

[dusky geyser]

For me, the best arc in Part 8 was Ozone Baby.

[kind owl]

@dusky geyser, Your Gangstar cred is now level 5 !

[stark fossil]

Ozone Baby was lit

[dusky geyser]

It was pure chaos and essentially no one could win without nearly killing themselves. Truly a high stakes arc.

[stark fossil]

I liked when Poor Tom and the audience were expecting some arse pull from Josuke and it was just... bubbles

[dusky geyser]

My favorite part was when Jobin and Tsurugi played everyone and still got the branch in the end. One of the best surprises.

[flat vale]

I think Les Feuilles was my favorite so far because it was one of the only instances I can remember where non stand users are basically using someone/something else's stand as their own

[kind owl]

@flat vale, Your Gangstar cred is now level 2 !

[dusky geyser]

One of the main reasons why I like Part 8 is that the people of the town are aware of Stands such as Les Feuilles and Milargo Man. Even though they don't understand the concept of Stands, they are aware of the abilities.

[white beacon]

it's a natural part of the town in a way

[dusky geyser]

They're pretty much like "Yeah, weird shit happens. We've gotten use to it."

[white beacon]

and some of them use it to their advantage even

[knotty sigil]

My personal fav arc so far has been vitamin C. Damo was easily the most menacing minor antagonist so far and had a damn good plan to take out the higashikatas, even though he did fail in the end. And then his death was fucking spectacular, Josuke is ruthless as hell

[stark fossil]

It was good shizz. Seeing alternate SHA was very cool too

[knotty sigil]

Oh yeah and that whole flashback happened too

Icing on the cake

[flat vale]

I just wish he wasn't so (Literally) slimey

"Oops I left my slime all over your house"

[stark fossil]

Hopefully they'll add a cleaning up arc in the adaptation

[short sonnet]

fuckin hell araki foreshadowed johnny's death with the death of the kid who gyro tried to save

"he later died from a cold"

[elfin mist]

not exactly

how far are you in jjl?

[flat vale]

We can talk about spoilers yeah

I was just going to say

[short sonnet]

well im caught up lol

for a long time

[elfin mist]

oh,

my b lol

i don't see much of what you mean tho

[short sonnet]

lets see

[flat vale]

I agree spook i'm confused here

[short sonnet]

he tried to cure his wife's disease using the corpse which had the same equivalent exchange of the rokakaka

using the corpse to do that his son almost died from being transformed into a rock (similar to the higashikata disease)

then johnny used to corpse to make the disease leave his wife and to save his sone for exchange of johnny's life

and due to that johnny gets crushed by a big rock...

[elfin mist]

i'm pretty sure the death of johnny wasn't an exchange iirc

[gilded ferry]

how does that relate to the kid though

[flat vale]

no the rock was unrelated

[elfin mist]

rock simply fell on his body, yea.

[flat vale]

" Using the Holy Corpse's power to cure disease (more accurately described as a power to remove), the curse was removed from Rina, but was unfortunately forced upon George instead."

[short sonnet]

the corpse exchanged johnny's life for his family's safety

uh cuck

[gilded ferry]

But how does that relate to the kid dying of a cold

[flat vale]

^

[short sonnet]

looks into papers

fuck

it was more of an unrelated foreshadowing

than anything

[elfin mist]

i don't even think foreshadowing whatsoever

indirectly or not, at least.

[short sonnet]

the kid wasnt technically related to johnny's death

[gilded ferry]

Wait why did they explain johnnys death in JJL

[elfin mist]

an old man told josuke

[short sonnet]

but if you see a cold as a disease then johnny died by exchanging his wife's disease

[elfin mist]

since johnny was famous, to a degree.

[flat vale]

yeah I think you might be over thinking it a little

[short sonnet]

maybe

[gilded ferry]

So how does johnny directly relate to jjl?

[elfin mist]

he married a chick from morioh iirc n died there

[flat vale]

great great grandpappy of half of josuke

[gilded ferry]

right Rina

[short sonnet]

@gilded ferry why did you even go here? you didnt start reading jjl yet

[gilded ferry]

I read the johnny part

[short sonnet]

oh

well

good thing we didnt explain much of the main plot

[flat vale]

What are the rules on JoJolion spoilers in the Jojolion chat? everything is fair game or don't talk about new stuff or...?

[gilded ferry]

I just wanted to see what happened to johnny so I read that part

[elfin mist]

jjl real fucked over johnny 😔 😔

[gilded ferry]

JOHNNY!!!

[flat vale]

I mean god did take the wrong son, he was just cashing in on it years later

[gilded ferry]

Damn

[kind owl]

@gilded ferry, Your Gangstar cred is now level 5 !

[flat vale]

Johnny is the jojo that eats dirt the worst eh?

[slow cobalt]

would you say he bites the dust?

[flat vale]

I wonder if his wife had a sheer heart attack when she heard a rock fell on his head?

[minor ore]

is jojolion good

[stark fossil]

A few weak arcs but overall I think it's impressive

@flat vale too soon 😭

[twin peak]

So what happens in this part

[turbid slate]

gyro as a kid confirmed

[grave tulip]

Has a new chapter been released yet?

[white beacon]

on thje 19th, i think

[summer tree]

We got a few days

[flat vale]

The long con waiting game

[supple totem]

josuke wanted the rokakaka branch because he thought it would cure holly right?

my mind havin a stroke rn

[summer tree]

Yeah

[supple totem]

thanks brööther

[flat vale]

Well technically josefumi and kira wanted it first if that makes a difference

[kind owl]

@flat vale, Your Gangstar cred is now level 3 !

[flat vale]

It'd be pretty cool IMO if towards the end of part 8 Josuke becomes more confident and boisterous akin to the likes of Kamina/(adult)Simon from Gurren Lagann. Like the closest JoJo to comparison would be like joseph, but joseph was more of a punk than a beacon of heroism.

[quiet zodiac]

Every part of JoJo except of Jojolion has a character with a tarot-themed stand

[summer tree]

Parts 1 and 2

[quiet zodiac]

Jonathan and Joseph had a Hermit Purlpe

or maybe something similar to

because DIO use a purple vine to take a picture of crusaders at the part 3

[summer tree]

but they didn't have them in Part in that part however

[limpid veldt]

So mitsuba’s stand guys, what are your predictions?

[versed crown]

knack stand

[limpid veldt]

Im gonna ssay something weird that could counter the doctor

Lol ITS KNACK 2 BABEEEEEY

[kind owl]

@limpid veldt, Your Gangstar cred is now level 1 !

[limpid veldt]

Momentum is a great one cause shell just juggernaut through the hospital

Killing every villian and ending the part

[summer tree]

twist it's not Mitsuba's stand

it's actually the baby's stand

[limpid veldt]

Thats JUST bizarre enough to be true

The ghost of her aborted fetus became a stand

[summer tree]

I thought she said she she was pregnant at end of the chapter?

[limpid veldt]

She took her stand out in response to realizing she had to lose something to gain

The possibility of the baby being exchanged made her stand pop out in anger

Cause she kept bugging yasuho about “wait you have to give something up right? What does that mean” then it dawned in her

[stark fossil]

woah

[flat vale]

ghost baby stand

[limpid veldt]

You cant defund magic abortions now CAN you?

[kind owl]

@limpid veldt, Your Gangstar cred is now level 3 !

[flat vale]

“You can’t defeat my stand 「Planned Parenthood 」”

[limpid veldt]

“My 「Pro Choice 」has no weaknesses “

[summer tree]

I forgot

Is Gappy more Kira than Josefumi

Or is he more Josefumi than he is Kira?

[minor ore]

starting JoJolion now

[summer tree]

Alright, just getting right into it, huh?

[minor ore]

of course

I couldn't wait

part 8 intrigued me the most

Four Ball Run

2x2 one shaft

oof this is not good for my trypophobia

lmaoo

[summer tree]

Isn't that the fear of holes or something?

I forget the exact definition

[minor ore]

yup

a buncha holes

in stuff

makes my skin crawl

[old marlin]

is there a new chap today

[kind owl]

@old marlin, Your Gangstar cred is now level 10 !

[summer tree]

I'm not sure

Chapters usually come out on the 19th

[minor ore]

i think there's a new colored chapter or something

[old marlin]

Damn

they used to come out on the 16th or 17th earlier this year

[summer tree]

It's always been the 19th

Sometimes they just come out a few days beforehand

[white beacon]

well, the leaks do at least

still wonder how leaks even happen from traditionally made manga

[old marlin]

Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Diamond is Unbreakable
Episode 14: "Let's go to the Mangaka's House"

[flat vale]

I mean I suppose the leaks would happen because someone just walks into dudes office

[river sail]

Part 7 is fucking awful for Trypophobia. Part 8 probably comes in second but I'm only halfway through.

Part 8 does have some nasty body horror though

Can't wait to see that animated one day

Especially like, Vitamin C. That shit was freaky as hell.

[supple gyro]

The new chapter comes out in two days right? I just read the latest chapter and i don't really know the schedule

[stark fossil]

19th every month

This is the first arc where I have had to wait for new issues

I have had to read all the previous arcs before the latest one each time

It's a strange way to live

[knotty sigil]

Same bro the transition was weird but I’ve gotten used to it now

[minor ore]

wtf daiya is just 16 .-.

[summer tree]

Yes

are you still surprised

at this point in the series

after seeing so many characters

who do not match their age

[minor ore]

yea, it's just she's so sexualized and wants to do the dirty with josuke

i'm getting old

I can get that. I was also disturbed at the scene in SBR when Lucy was topless.

and of course it extends to fanart

luckily there's not too much of that in Jojolion from what I remember

oh okay

[knotty sigil]

there was some random hot bitch in the shakedown road arc

prob the most sexualized character I have seen in jojo

[gentle edge]

don't remember

[knotty sigil]

she's just some background character though so she doesn't really matter

[gentle edge]

but I haven't read part 8 in a while so eh

[knotty sigil]

to the story

[gentle edge]

I think araki wanted to show off how cool his Ultra Jump art style is

...well he did that with Part 7 but hey come on give him some slack he must be lonely drawing pictures all day

[knotty sigil]

he has a fam

[gentle edge]

gp

[knotty sigil]

his art looks amazing every chapter imo, I think part 8 looks the best of all the parts

that's kinda expected though since people naturally improve over time

[minor ore]

yeah, I especially loved the opening to part 8 with its art

[flat vale]

I hope we get more product placement in part 8 like the pepsi billboard In part 4, shit was funny

[summer tree]

remember that 7-UP ad in the Part 3 OVA?

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/109/584/8a6.gif

[knotty sigil]

LOL

I've never seen that b4

does anyone else think mamezuku looks like a girl

[grizzled pilot]

idk but wasn't the 7UP in the manga and the 2012 anime too

[summer tree]

I don't recall 7UP in the anime

I haven't read the Part 3 manga

[minor ore]

rip no jotaro in this universe

he's replaced with kira..?

[knotty sigil]

the kujo name exists though, wonder if it has any relation to the joestar line

[summer tree]

wait

have you....

seen the family tree book yet?

[knotty sigil]

yeah I have

I'm pretty sure there is no kujo in it

[summer tree]

no I was talking to Haku there since I know he's in the middle of reading
Unless you're ALSO in the middle of reading it too lol

[knotty sigil]

oh shit

nah I'm caught up

[summer tree]

yeah alright cool

cause I swear Jotaro's name was in that book

I'm gonna have to go check

[knotty sigil]

I wonder if that one instance of josefumi's birthmark being shown was an accident or not

because like it's shown the very first time we see what he looks like and then never again

that's why I wanna know if the kujo's are still related to the joestars somehow

[kind owl]

@knotty sigil, Your Gangstar cred is now level 5 !

[summer tree]

guess I was wrong lol

no Jotaro on the tree

[knotty sigil]

oh you were wondering if someone was actually named jotaro on the tree

yeah no

but there are two josuke's 🤔

[minor ore]

@summer tree I've seen the family tree

[summer tree]

yeah lol

I just thought Jotaro was on it

but I was wrong

[minor ore]

rip jotaro

he's like jesus, there can only be one of him

wherever he is is the base universe

[knotty sigil]

haku how far are you in JJL?

[summer tree]

I assume he just finished California King Bed

if the chapter the family tree appears in is any indication

I just checked

[minor ore]

yasuho just met holly

[knotty sigil]

yeah it appears at the end of that arc

[minor ore]

says yasuho looks like a porn star

[knotty sigil]

what's the chapter #

[minor ore]

14

[knotty sigil]

ohh okay

[minor ore]

oh shit, killer queen existed in this universe too

and there was a guy drawing crazy diamond on the ground

[summer tree]

that Crazy Diamond is an Easter Egg

[minor ore]

yea

[flat vale]

I was reading old chat messages and thought a part 8 waifu war was about to commence

[minor ore]

no way, daiya's no waifu

if you're 18 and above, i guess

[flat vale]

daiya just wants someone to love

get daiya a boyfriend arc when

[dusky geyser]

When Araki remembers her existence.

[flat vale]

almost about as much stand time as joshu

[minor ore]

wtf

johnny's one unlucky bastard

[summer tree]

oh you saw Johnny's fate, huh?

Johnny always suffers

[minor ore]

poor guy

[knotty sigil]

that shit was sad af

[flat vale]

Johnny Joestar, the man who fought against fate multiple times and eventually lost

[minor ore]

the joestar curse is alive and well in this universe, i see

[flat vale]

was never supposed to walk again in his life: starts walking again, was never supposed to race again: completes 99% of the biggest race in history, was never supposed to earn the adoration of his father : gains it due to being a star in the race, wife gets terminally ill: dies trying to save her as fate had fought back

[dusky geyser]

Well, Johnny was ready to accept the same fate as his brother at any time.

[flat vale]

it's always been kind of strange to me how johnny attempts to save his wife, but refuses getting another universes gyro

[minor ore]

well, valentine was tricking him all along

[dusky geyser]

Plus, it would be like the ending of Stone Ocean; it would be Gyro, but not the one that Johnny knows.

[flat vale]

if i'm remembering correctly he refuses the notion before he even pry's on valentines legitimacy

[minor ore]

i think he was seriously considering it

but he was weighing in on whether it was right

he really wanted to believe valentine

[dusky geyser]

He was, but then he remembered JESUS.

[flat vale]

d4c has that specific ruleset of where the universe had to be fairly similar to the current, so i'm sure they could find a similar enough gyro although not exact. Maybe they could have even got one that had a real stand

[kind owl]

@flat vale, Your Gangstar cred is now level 4 !

[minor ore]

I must admit I don't get the part where johnny's making valentine pick up the gun

[dusky geyser]

Guess for conviction or pride?

[flat vale]

Samurai never kill an unarmed man?

[minor ore]

i thought johnny was making him pick up an empty gun so he can trust valentine?

[kind owl]

@minor ore, Your Gangstar cred is now level 8 !

[minor ore]

i'm not clear on that

[flat vale]

oh I know what you mean now, you've read the whole thing yeah?

[dusky geyser]

Use it as an excuse to reread part 7.

[flat vale]

^

[minor ore]

but anyway that was fucking awesome

what a great final battle

could be the most OP stand ability but it just requires you to be on horseback

[dusky geyser]

Wait 8-9 years for Part 7 anime

[flat vale]

Insert Big Brain Image

[minor ore]

still loses to The World, of course

[flat vale]

I mean the world is so overpowered in the part 7 guidelines of most stands being projectile based

[dusky geyser]

The sad part is that Johnny almost got Diego.

[flat vale]

I still find it comedic that Funny Valentine just so happens to pull out the STRONGEST POSSIBLE VERSION of lizard husbando

[summer tree]

but that's the thing

regardless

it would not be HIS Gyro

no matter what

[minor ore]

But I think Johnny was prepared to accept that regardless

I feel like that last bit with Diego was a bit of a fan service, but done right

[flat vale]

Even if so I think it was a really nice twist especially since there's extra effort into making you assume he's just going to turn into a dinosaur when in reality he has The World. It would be cool if unbeknownst to us Soft & Wet has a something like sheer heart attack left over from the Kira side of the fusion that Josuke just doesn't know how to do yet.

[knotty sigil]

@minor ore the reason johnny tossed valentine the gun was because even though johnny was convinced that valentine's motivations were just, he still wanted to make sure that valentine wouldn't try to kill him afterwards

[dusky geyser]

Maybe Soft & Wet will gain the ability to redirect another ability with it's bubbles.

[knotty sigil]

was a pretty logical doubt too considering valentine had already killed so many people to get what he wanted

and johnny wouldn't have been able to shoot act 4 again

[flat vale]

I mean if Soft & Wet can somehow bite the dust oh man

[knotty sigil]

earlier I heard that araki said the hospital is likely one of if not the last major location in the story

that's pretty huge

[flat vale]

well yeah holly is the villain duh

[knotty sigil]

god damn milf

somebody get kakyoin

[dusky geyser]

Nah, it would be called Soft & Weto: POP ZA BUBBLE!

[minor ore]

okay yea that makes sense

[knotty sigil]

tbh if johnny stopped the infinite rotation, valentine could've just sneak attacked johnny with D4C instead of shooting him with a gun

[flat vale]

Holly is my most illogical yet possible main villain pull because we don't actually know enough about her without the disease to pinpoint her motives

[knotty sigil]

I can't see her being a villain but there's gotta be some sort of twist than just her being saved in the end

cause that's basically what happened to part 3 holly, literally nothing except eventually being healed

[flat vale]

simple statement that says nothing and everything at the same time, her son is Yoshikage Kira

[dusky geyser]

What if this Holly actually used a Stand ability.

[knotty sigil]

that's possible

she saw yasuho's stand

[minor ore]

I've never wanted to punch a 9 year old in the face this much before

[knotty sigil]

and her disease is not stand-related

[flat vale]

so begins the cult of "Holly is the main villain change my mind"

[dusky geyser]

I would say Kaato or the actual leader of the Rock Humans.

[knotty sigil]

I really want josuke to 1v1 jobin