Trailmappers

[blazing harbor]

yeah theres nothing there i went trough the area around it with an autoclicker but the only way i could delete it was to press ctrl+Z

[keen lion]

Damnit

I thought I tested it

Welp, my fault

[silk lynx]

funny bug when you resize then copy itll reset to previous value

[naive eagle]

Request for features:

• Rotation brush/ randomized rotation
• Scale jitter
• Area Select

Randomized rotation (for duplicating)

When building natural terrain, rotating the prefabs used to build blocks creates a great amount of visual interest and prevents patterns from occuring. This is highly useful for: forests, natural terrain, ground placement, etc.
By far the simplest randomized rotation would be around the local Y axis.

An additional, level of rotation randomization would be a controllable up randomization, that is, it points prefabs duplicated in a slightly random direction

Scale Jitter

Another option that greatly improves terrain/worldbuilding, would be to add an option to slightly modify the scale of objects placed. This can either be a uniform scale modification (useful for buildings and such), or a per-axis modification (terrain)
It should have an option to also randomly mirror the object (along X/Z axis) , which complements randomized rotation.

Area select

This one is for assisting in the combination of several map files, as selecting several thousand objects to move them as a group is nigh-impossible. The selecting all of the same kind is good, but doesn't work for moving areas of maps closer or farther together

As a note: Most terrain I've placed is through duplication while dragging a segment to be cloned, so the scale jitter also is intended to apply on duplication. This would serve most useful, as the duplicate can be modified but the selected part can remain unchanged, preventing random changes into a very small or large size.

[tacit rover]

Rid said that grouping is in very high order as well as a snap select

[high zealot]

Idk if this is a bug but i am uploading a map from blender and putting it into trailmappers which u may be familiar with. i add a .png file as a texture to say for example the road and it loads and works perfectly (in trailmappers) so i export to trailmakers when it loads in it does'nt load the texture instead is a plain white texture idk if its just something tralmakers cant deal with or maybe the texture needs to be a different file but any advice helps and i can send ss if u want to see what i mean

[shadow path]

if im uploadin a map to the workshop....and keep editin it and adding stuffs, it will be updated as well?

[naive eagle]

so trailmakers takes a very long time to load textures, but if you wait long enough it will load. I've had to do some insane optimizations in order to get textures to load quickly, but if you know what you're doing it can be done

[shadow path]

i dont know if is the right place to suggest it or in #1123915629653667943 but it would be awesome to have a Gravity Orb.
something like in space that every planet have a diff gravity.
with this thing, i can make my map as floating planet that have gravity :))

[keen lion]

That could technically be done easily enough, just it might only affect player builds

[high zealot]

What kind of optimisations did you do ? And how long would I roughly have to wait for them to load

[naive eagle]

So, in noiro's spherical planets mod, (which i made some models for), the cleverest optimization i could think of would be using vertex colors for the planets. This means the points of the mesh are colored, but not textured.
Trailmakers doesnt support that. But, a way to approximate that is to make a long and skinny texture, and assign the points texture coordinates along that graident. This reduces the texture size to 256 pixels (or less if you want)
This worked for the planet since it was exclusively one gradient, and the mesh UV (Tex coords) was generated procedurally, same as the mesh.

You can download the mod and take a look at the internals, as well as the planets

[high zealot]

is this before exporting it to trail mappers

[naive eagle]

ye before

[lone bane]

tryna load this model but every time i load the mod it freezes and just doesnt do anything, sometimes it will white screen and crash. its literally only 1 object with 15k polys and a 1000x1000 texture

game is still running like i can go into pause menu and animations are playing and stuff

[inner nacelle]

Try making the size of the texture 1024x1024 (or 512x512)

[lone bane]

i did didndt help just reduced poly to about 10k and works now

also tested without texture same thing

[livid wigeon]

damn

1k texture feels a bit small for a map of that scale but idk maybe

i could see it if it was like background scenery

[tacit rover]

anyone know why my mesh does this? (yes, it should be correctly triangulated and face normals are also correct)

yes, the topology is messed up, i used limited desolve, it still doesnt explain the artifacts

so apparently turning the tris to quads actually helped. dont really know how, but it works. if anyone can, pls explain why

[tacit rover]

some mesh issues continue to persist tho, mainly some parts just straight up missing or them being kinda funky. if anyone knows why, let me know

(there is supposed to be like a branch out instead of the nothiness

[lone bane]

(the exact same mesh just on my computer instead)

[tacit rover]

mesh system working as intended 👍

[lone bane]

mmmm raw spaghetti 😋

[blazing harbor]

giant enemy spider has passed trough this area

[tacit rover]

It was the tris amount, had to separate to 4 individual objects

[versed moat]

Ive been going on about the mesh importer for a couple years now, I can’t stress enough how it’s flawed

[mild rain]

Did you talk with Azi about it? I know Azi has dealt with weird issues like that and fixed them

[abstract sage]

surely this is not the only mesh importer plugin out there for unity, right?

[jaunty sentinel]

the importer doesn't even support n-gons 😦

[abstract sage]

does it really not?

thats pretty bad

[versed moat]

I think they are using a user created obj importer that came out in 2019, used to be a forum for and in the last few years people have been complaining about various bugs with it and problems. Forum seems to be gone now. Creator of that system if its the one the devs are using hasn't updated it since release.

Other solutions exist but they aren't free

[blazing harbor]

bro what is this

[tacit rover]

comic sans blinking error

some issues with the obj probably

[tacit rover]

well the only "fix" that there is (or at least that i know of now), is just limiting the amount of tris you load with individual models. Which complicates stuff, but it is what it is, at least i can get it to consistently spawn in now that ive separated it into 4 diffrent objs

[wide sorrel]

high vertex count

try splitting it into multiple meshes and loading them seperately

only way to fix it without lowering vertex count significantly as of now afaik

[tacit rover]

yeah thats what i did, seems to behave normally now

[tacit rover]

got the rivers working at last

definitely didnt take like 4 days to figure out

[livid wigeon]

now make proper terrain with performant grass and nice trees :D

|| with grass/dirt/sand surfaces mixed in||

[tacit rover]

dont worry ill do mountains and ill try do work some magic to make the vegetation not burn my pc down but look like forests

the plan is to make vietnam inspired landscape

[tacit rover]

the grass is set to non collidable, anyone got any trick up their sleeve to fix it? i tried putting some faces up or under the model, no help

[lone bane]

grass

[wide sorrel]

wheels use raycasts so triggers appear as not-so from the top face, try adding a tiny untextured face or smth really high up in the model, to extend the collision box to a point where the wheels won't try to drive on it immediately

[tacit rover]

I tried that already, but ill try again, maybe tinker with it a bit and see. Thanks 👍

[blazing harbor]

forced to touch grass

[tacit rover]

in fact, i cant touch it. im levitating on top of it

that makes it even more hilarious

[livid wigeon]

he is so allergic to grass that he would rather levitate than touch grass

[livid wigeon]

test

[tacit rover]

of what?

[livid wigeon]

it got put out of the channel view bc of inactivity i think

[shadow path]

there is anyway to view the map while pressin TAB ?

[keen lion]

I don't think so

[livid wigeon]

the crashed plane smoke keeps flying through the ui

its missing the middle beams?

[livid wigeon]

wait no its just a diff model

[lone bane]

why :(
(some sort of LOD issue, only happens at a medium distance)

[tacit rover]

i remember trying to port this specific model and then getting one from @ lamercs in the end so it might not be complete i didnt check it with the game. it was kinda scuffed coz it was separated into like 5 different models each having different origin points

[naive eagle]

Possible to export map as STL? Would make modeling a racetrack on top of existing geometry much easier

[dry orchid]

what yall think of the layout?

[wide sorrel]

layout/10

[naive eagle]

Looks like a logotype to me

[naive eagle]

Bug with trailmappers:
Manage maps main menu screen does not accomodate for different window sizes

Feature request: allow the Test zone ground to be optional

Bug: Model offsets for drag placement are broken on different scales

Also if you are looking for help I have experience in Unity and am willing to contribute

(As well as programming experience)

[naive eagle]

Another bug:
overwriting models in an external program will not update the models in trailmappers without a reload

(which proves extra annoying when trying to update models)

[lone bane]

it is

u can

esc > settings > 3rd tab (appearance) u can turn it off

[naive eagle]

Oh, well im blind

[lone bane]

u wouldnt really want it to auto export the map if the user doesnt want it to

not rlly a bug

[naive eagle]

No as in i mean the model inside trailmappers view does not update

[lone bane]

hmm, never had that issue before

[naive eagle]

I was fighting blender on which way the normals were calculsted and it drove me nuts because no matter what i did they were always the wrong way aeound

But i only realized that trailmappers wasnt updating the model in view after like 20 min

[lone bane]

hmm

idk

[untold temple]

does it use the new model when you add it to the map?

[naive eagle]

Have yet to test that

[wide sorrel]

sometimes it helps to show the face orientation for debugging normals in blender, and one can Shift + N to recalculate the normals for the selection, with an option to invert them in a pop up of the bottom left corner, similar to adding a simple 3d mesh to the scene, however you likely already know this

[naive eagle]

BEEG map. As you can probably see not finished

That track you see is 14.5 miles long

Does it need more corners?

[livid wigeon]

image 1 wheres the size comparison

for all i know you coulda just ctrl+a and then scaled it down

[naive eagle]

Well the carrier didn't render in ortho, but here it is. That's the unmodified size of the carrier

[livid wigeon]

oh so the canyon area is even wider than the desert race island island thing's roads

[naive eagle]

It dwarfs any vanilla map

[livid wigeon]

and i can smell the copy paste and repetitiveness of the rockface in that canyon

looking from the top

https://tenor.com/view/dog-chattering-teeth-scared-spooky-gif-22755553

[naive eagle]

Look the tools for randomized rotation are not great

[livid wigeon]

do the randomization yourself! :D

and also add literally any other prefab to hide it

[naive eagle]

I have done that on earlier segments

[teal mist]

Just use different rocks randomly objects and rotate them randomly

[livid wigeon]

btw those grass prefabs look like 1 pixel in the texture take up about atleast 10 meters

[naive eagle]

Yes but i've spent already like actual hours just rotating stuff

[livid wigeon]

i just said that, if "different rocks randomly objects" means random rock prefabs

[livid wigeon]

how long does it take you to rotate one object...

[naive eagle]

about 5-10 sec

[livid wigeon]

bro wth

it takes me like 1-4s

and i spend more time on ones that matter more

[naive eagle]

Im giving you a guesstimate

Also this is what i've done on earlier segments

[livid wigeon]

is that the default rock + tree prefab

cause you might wanna manually place the trees, irl trees wouldnt just stay at the same angle as the rock as they grow

[livid wigeon]

far left feels like it would be very flat, might wanna add more to it

its like how in official maps

they use a pretty flat terrain thing

[teal mist]

I saw a tree grow at a 90 degree angle on a flat surface 💀

[livid wigeon]

and then shove loads of prefabs all over it

[livid wigeon]

yeah and then it slowly grows facing up

right?

like

[naive eagle]

So on average it takes me 4-6 seconds to rotate a rock prefab, considering that the selection of custom meshes is broken

[livid wigeon]

it naturally bends so that its growing upward

[naive eagle]

like I click anywhere on my screen it selects my 14 mile track

then I have to click again for the actual thing

[livid wigeon]

simple solution just move the track upwards enough that you wont select it

[naive eagle]

no fucking joke I clicked here and it selected the track 💀

[livid wigeon]

and then move it back down when youre done

[livid wigeon]

just wait for when the tooltip when you would select the custom model is gone

and then clikc

[teal mist]

No

Just a 90 degree angle

[livid wigeon]

buddy i dont think trees do that

[teal mist]

It grew up for 10cm then turned 90 degrees and started growing left

[livid wigeon]

at the very least they gonna do this

[naive eagle]

the truth can be stranger than fiction

[teal mist]

Nah just left

[naive eagle]

such as:

[livid wigeon]

then your tree is drunk

[livid wigeon]

that is satisfying

[teal mist]

All in poland are drunk 👍

[livid wigeon]

see it tries to correct

sometimes

notice how most of the angled ones curve upward

[naive eagle]

thats just perspective

[livid wigeon]

it cannot be perspective for every single branch

[naive eagle]

yes in fact, it can

[teal mist]

No they seek the sun

[livid wigeon]

true

usually the sun is upwards tho

[naive eagle]

most of the time it is

[livid wigeon]

i said usually

[teal mist]

Polish soil has 20% vodka so tree drunk

[naive eagle]

this feels fake but idk

[teal mist]

Trust

[livid wigeon]

looks pretty real to me /j

but you see the one above it

its nearly fully left and then bends upwards

bc the sun is usually upwards

[naive eagle]

no but it would happen if the palm tree fell over, didn't fall all the way, the roots strengthened to keep the palm from falling, and the palm continued doing its thing

[livid wigeon]

okay i guess to you its 100% impossible so no point in arguing this

have fun with your silly looking trees

[teal mist]

The water doesnt interacg with the cliffline from what I see so prob fake

[naive eagle]

the water is calm so there'd be little interaction

[teal mist]

"Tree seek sun 100"

[teal mist]

A little ≠ none

[naive eagle]

from what it looks like if there is interaction it's simply occluded or out of frame

[teal mist]

Also the water looks like it just stops existing after a few km

[naive eagle]

average horizon moment

[teal mist]

Captured on nokia 3310

[naive eagle]

Also this tree is a thing

Actual sideways tree

[teal mist]

Trees get to have scoliosis too

[naive eagle]

anyone say more than 90?

[teal mist]

Minecraft rtx tree

This is bob

He's tree-sed to meet you

[naive eagle]

stop it before I leaf

[mental mesa]

how to import custom objects from blender to trailmappers? is there a tutorial ? help pls

[untold temple]

you summoned me?

[tacit rover]

open documents\Trailmappers\Custom Models

just drag and drop your .png and .obj

[mental mesa]

damn

thx

somehowe it started to work

[wide sorrel]

Postion

[teal mist]

What did I do? You left me stumped.

[shadow path]

theres a way to define which material the custom model is?

[hollow trench]

in the editor i can see the texture i used but in game it doesn't load. is there a specific format/setting to use when exporting a png for it to work? or is the 3d model (obj) the problem?

[fervent sun]

no. You can only use the alpha channel of the texture for the roughness

[fervent sun]

you need to export the uv maps with the model, then in game load the texture and mesh and spawn the object with a reference to both

[inner nacelle]

How big is your png and how long did you wait to see if the texture loaded? TM takes takes a stupidly long time to load custom object textures. Something like 5 mins for a 1024x1024 pixel texture.

[hollow trench]

i didn't have a uv map. i was using tinkercad (just geometrie for 3d printing). i switched to blender and everything works

[wide sorrel]

mm yes very Bone Bone 3

not at all Giant Bone 3

[naive eagle]

oh god the angle

[abstract sage]

object of inappropriate nature....

[naive eagle]

it exists in base trailmakers

[wide sorrel]

resending screenshot but at different angle in preview because that one was... weird

[naive eagle]

not much better tbh

[wide sorrel]

none of the angles are

[mental mesa]

is there a way to set traction on materiral or obj?

png*

[jaunty sentinel]

no

[keen lion]

No :(

[jaunty sentinel]

not with the modding features we have now

[mental mesa]

isnt it like if we set alpha to 1 is more grip
if 0 is less

iam testing it i guess it works

i can spin on 0, and dont even spin on 1

[blazing harbor]

Isnt that just for object roughness

[fervent sun]

it should

[mental mesa]

k it doesn't work like that

[wide sorrel]

it changes friction and reflective smoothness at the same time? I had no idea

[versed moat]

I dont think it does

[wide sorrel]

I forgor if it exists but does randomized rotation around the normal of wherever an asset is being placed exist in Trailmappers? And how would one access/use it if it does?

[wide sorrel]

they really should add it, I've needed it multiple times in the past few weeks

[hardy nexus]

ANY one understand this?

[abstract sage]

the function for that doesnt really work

[keen lion]

I'm quite sure it's just some object not caring about that setting, probably due to how the unity asset is made

[lone bane]

you could always just have a custom model for it, although those will also sometimes not care about that setting sometimes

[inner nacelle]

My understanding is that custom models suffer from the convex/concave hull collision always accepting a hit from the vertical raycasts of wheels and the player - even when 'istrigger' is set.

Someone (ALVAROPING maybe?) mentioned that to get around this you can add a polygon very high up above the rest of the model. I've tried it and it does seem to work.

[hardy nexus]

i dont even know how to do a custom model 😂

[abstract sage]

skill issue !

[mental mesa]

Hi there, i want to make a race track from real life, any suggestions? Nurburgring seems to be a bit thin for trailmakers

or better to make a custom one?

[keen lion]

Nurbirgring and tsukuba have already been made

[mental mesa]

Learned a bit of texturing

[mental mesa]

Nurburgring kinda laggy

[keen lion]

Yeah, it do be a lot of blocks, and the new slower importer doesn't help

Now you could make some curves out of single objects, slower initial load, but less lag

[mental mesa]

Iam making a whole road as a single object xd

[keen lion]

Yeah, now that you can make concave objects that's an option, just make sure it doesn't have too many triangles

[mental mesa]

k

is it better to use triangles?

than squares?

[keen lion]

Squares are just 2 triangles

[hardy nexus]

does anyone have a tutorial on how to make custom modals (yt link preferably)

[mental mesa]

i dont have one

[wide sorrel]

the trailmaker can walk on trigger objects for some reason, and wheels can also drive on it, Trailmappers doesn't actually disable the collision it just uses the set is trigger funtion

[inner nacelle]

As I mentioned above, apparently the player and wheels use raycasts to detect collisions. Objects and structures use collision meshes. The 'setIsTrigger' function disables physical collision for collision meshes but the player and wheel raycasts still detect those triggers.

[wide sorrel]

ah I didn't see that message

[inner nacelle]

All good 🙂

I can confirm that with custom objects the extra polygon placed high up does work.

[inner nacelle]

https://youtu.be/OAW81QZpvRY?si=HX1Tx_dYQ8aL-9Xz

[tacit rover]

those are even worse at that lmfao

[tacit rover]

does the polygon need to be horizontal or vertical? i tried it some time back but it didnt seem to fix it, i could have just done it wrong tho

#1226065444364877835 message

still did this even after the high up polygon was placed

[inner nacelle]

After more experimenting I've found that it doesn't work as well as I'd hoped but you can make it work in some circumstances - but only in specific ways.

Eg
in Blender I added a single tiny, horizontally flat triangle to a custom mesh. The triangle was 20m high directly above the rest of the object. This allows the player to cleanly clip through but the wheels still bump it a little. I tried 8 triangles, wide apart to define a 'box' around the object and that does work but the wheels still clipped at the boundaries of the invisible box.

[tacit rover]

kinda stupid how making it not collidable sometimes makes the colisions much worse lmao

but having grass the way i tried and also have it not collide would be the best for perfomance. i test spammed a lot of those objects i showed in the .gif and the game surprisingly handled them fine regarding the fps

[mental mesa]

does something got updated?

my all custom objects are now very glossy

oh

its just i was playing on minimum

on higher ererything is glossy lol

didn't know that

[keen lion]

that's based on the texture, if you lower the opacity it will be less glossy

[livid wigeon]

god i want marquee select so badly

trying to do this technique for terrain is gonna be a pain without it

[livid wigeon]

i think one of the blueberry bush types was removed from trailmappers? i think both blueberry bush types should be available

[glossy acorn]

How does one update a map?

[livid wigeon]

workshop? just upload the same mod i think

oh wait no

go to the workshop ingme

then edit

i think

[glossy acorn]

Thanks!

That seemed to work. Map should be fixed now.

[potent nova]

Is there a mud surface in the editor?

[lone bane]

no unfortunately you cant modify grip properties of objects

just not possible with the current API

[potent nova]

Are they planning to update it? Terraforming smooth terrain is
tough

[lone bane]

modding api is very low priority when it comes to development, we kind of recently had an update so dont expect much new for maybe 3-5 months (although i have heard next update is supposed to be quite big, which might include plenty of modding stuff)

[devout shadow]

does someone had an issue with manage maps, i have infinite loading

[blazing harbor]

have you spawned in a purple spacesuit chirpo

[devout shadow]

nope, i have just infinite loading when i press manage maps button, everything else works fine

[blazing harbor]

weird

[devout shadow]

How to completely delete trailmappers files? I tried but it still holds data like old maps files names

i think some map is corrupted

hate that steam hides files in multiple places

or where trailmappers saves maps?

[glossy acorn]

documents/trailmappers/saves

[devout shadow]

thx, finally it works now

[median beacon]

Am I allowed to put suggestions for trailmappers here?

Because I have some suggestions that I think would be good for the entire experience

[median beacon]

Is the purple spacesuit chirpo cursed?

[wide sorrel]

doesn't load properly iirc

[blazing harbor]

Yes

Took me 2 hours to figure out 1 purple chirpo was the issue

The whole map stopped loading bcs of the aura it had

[median beacon]

damn

also can i put suggestions here?

[abstract sage]

Yeah?

[median beacon]

Nice

1: ability to import blueprints as models so people can have their creations as parts of the world (alternatively, parts that look like the trailmakers ones in the part menu so we can reconstruct our creations)
2: a snap to grid mode that snaps to the same size grid as the trailmakers builder, paired with above suggestion it would be great
3: Melvin in the animals menu

(Also please make the GC-4020 model able to be moved, would be amazing to have one we could move)

[wide sorrel]

1. that'd need importing of all tm part models, which is really goofy and would take years to load
2. melvin isn't a modding prefab, so you'll need to use custom models

[median beacon]

What about alt 1 and suggestion 2?

[wide sorrel]

I'm just a normal everyday modder doing modder things, so I only replied to the things I know about and felt I should reply to while I'm here (grid would be possible but I have no relation to the Trailmappers team so I chose not to comment on it), and I don't think there are any other prefabs that look heavily like tm parts, as afaik all prefabs for now should be in trailmappers

[median beacon]

Ah ok

[fervent sun]

1. can't be done. The blueprint files have only have binary compressed data made specifically for the game, another program won't know how the block positions are supposed to be loaded

[median beacon]

I'll just have to make some custom block models in blender (if I can work out how to use it)

[keen lion]

Mikauo 3d modelled in of his TM cars and put it in the tsukuba map, that's pretty much what you have to do unless you want to reverse-engineer how blueprints work+ 3d model all blocks

[wide sorrel]

I mean that would be an interesting idea but...

[median beacon]

I'll just try and make models of all the basic blocks, they can be upscaled to their larger counterparts EG 1x2 wedge to 4x2 wedge

The harder blocks like hinges and pistons will have to wait until I can actually model stuff

[shadow path]

2 hours?! damn it took me 3 days XD

[lone bane]

Suggestion:
Add an option for textures to automatically set the alpha values of the entire image to a selected value

reason:
its quite annoying trying to revert textures i have made 1% opacity and just not having a way to turn them back (that i know of), it would be useful to have it automatically done when exported.

and of course a way to disable it just in case you do actually have changes in opacity in the image already that you dont want to change

[frank spindle]

Does anyone know how to get a texture to show up as an opiton in the selection pannel for trail mappers?

[wide sorrel]

yuh, save the texture in the custom models folder

[frank spindle]

Thx. I had a file problem didn't realize it needed to be .png and was using .mtl

[ionic yarrow]

is there a way to get the carrier on trailmappers?

[blazing harbor]

its an asset

[ionic yarrow]

k

what tab is it in

[livid wigeon]

structures? misc?

[ionic yarrow]

nvm

[soft surge]

can enyone pls help me with this

it wont load

[blazing harbor]

have you placed down a purple space chirpo?

[lone bane]

the dreaded purple space chirpo

[keen lion]

Once again i created chaos ||hahaha||

[lone bane]

evil jess

[livid wigeon]

destroyer of worlds

[soft surge]

custom model

blender

[lone bane]

in my testing, if the model has more than ~15,000 triangles, it crashes the game
either you can decimate the model to decrease the tris or split the model into seperate pieces

[high palm]

When I try to edit one of my maps, as soon as I load in it continuously zooms my screen out, I've tried disconnecting a bunch of hardware but nothing has fixed my problem, if anyone has any advice or a fix please let me know.

[abstract sage]

Sounds like the game just dies, do you have custom models?

[vivid laurel]

curious why deleting litterally cannot be done on trailmappers

trying to delete an item seems like it just outright errors no matter what

[vivid laurel]

-# update: turns out it just broke, restarting fixed it

I wonder if we can get grouping in trailmappers so selecting them is going to select all at once, that would improve and probably increase the speed at which players can make maps

aswell as drag click selecting

[vivid laurel]

How does Trailmappers parse custom misc assets

so i can prepare billboards made using blender

does it parse individual materials or just one

if only one, i might have to make an actual baked object instead

[fervent sun]

the game can only import obj models and png/jpg textures for those models (the obj must have a uv mapping for the texture to work)

[vivid laurel]

vertex paint supported or not

guess not

[vivid laurel]

emissive layers are apparently also not supported, hm...

oh well, these bois will have to be plain shiny material

[wide sorrel]

yeah, only albedo and smoothness (controlled by alpha)

[vivid laurel]

Ive noticed some blocks having global coordinates as UV

Can custom blocks also use that

[wide sorrel]

the blocks use coordinates relative to the seat for their skin and colour mask, no you can't do any changing of mesh data (including UVs) live with mods

the closest you might be able to get would be baking all the objects that use such uv mapping as separate models or one with all of them together, then importing that

[vivid laurel]

hmmmmm fair i guess i cant make procedural UVs for roads

can i modify the mod.lua file to have the initial spawnpoint be displayed as a spawnpoint on the map?

if so id love for someone to help me add it in before its uploaded

[fervent sun]

no

[vivid laurel]

btw ive seen people mention a purple chirpo causing weird issues when exporting

is there a reason why, and is there more than one affected

[wide sorrel]

the developers of trailmappers minorly screwed something up

[wide sorrel]

no, there is currently no way at all to interact with the map using mods

[vivid laurel]

minorly being?

[wide sorrel]

incorrect naming (likely typo) or smth iirc

[vivid laurel]

wuh

well i guess no purple chirpos then

[wide sorrel]

only the purple space chirpo

[vivid laurel]

ohhhh

[blazing harbor]

its name is "PFB_Chirpo_Spacer_Purple" when its supposed to be "PFB_Chirpo_Spacer Purple"

[vivid laurel]

ohhh

wait- if thats known why is there no quickpatch yet

[livid wigeon]

bc the devs were like

https://tenor.com/view/he-gone-dead-hella-dead-gif-20116498

[vivid laurel]

i could, in theory, just patch it on the mod.lua side

if itemname is that, swap with this

then spawn

[keen lion]

Rid did nothing wrong, t'was me :p

[vivid laurel]

but i dont use space chirpos so

luckily wont happen to me

[keen lion]

Rid is dead, or something

[vivid laurel]

for now my map isnt taking so long to load its gonna be an issue either, props to yall

really light on performance

[livid wigeon]

ye as i explaine

[blazing harbor]

who died

[keen lion]

Irl, no-one

[livid wigeon]

in trailmappers development environment, ridicolas aka the guy who actually does the updates to public tmmm

[blazing harbor]

wrong fucking emoji

[shadow path]

told u XD this cursed chirpo

[vivid laurel]

trailmappers is aligned to the trailmakers map origin right

i might quickly make a mod to display XYZ coordinates in a tiny text display for testing's sake

[knotty lily]

I believe so

[wide sorrel]

yes, but the y axis is lower by 300 in trailmappers to account for the elevation of test zone

[vivid laurel]

yea i just noticed that

im not making the racetrack rn but im testing something for treasure island

[vivid laurel]

Not at the pc rn but are there blocks that behave like sand or snow and give in when driving over it

It looks like most props just have generic behavior

[wide sorrel]

yeah, in the non-living rocks section there's some ice prefabs with snow on top

and some of the normal rocks have slight bits of sand

[clever ocean]

how do we import map to the game?

[wide sorrel]

click file > export in Trailmappers, then in Trailmakers, click on a map category, then click on a map to load as a base, then press esc to open the escape menu, then click on Session Settings and click Activate mods, then find your Trailmappers map in the list, and click on it, before pressing esc again

[clever ocean]

i just need to know the first part

like when i export, it says file doesnt exist

[wide sorrel]

open Trailmappers

[wide sorrel]

have you tried saving it first

[clever ocean]

like?

[wide sorrel]

pressing the button that says save

[wide sorrel]

do you not have a map open?
you can't export or save a map without having it open in the editor

[clever ocean]

ohh

i think i was doing the wrong way

i was doing it by "import map"

[wide sorrel]

if you want to load a map into Trailmappers using the import map button you'll probably have to find the map data file of whatever you want to import into trailmappers

[knotty lily]

sadly you cant import one of the existing Trailmakers maps like Treasure Island. This button is only for when you want to import other Maps that were made in Trailmappers

[livid wigeon]

the red mushrooms in one of the categories is grass

[vivid laurel]

I DID IT

IT CRASHED

[vivid laurel]

ok can someone explain why were using a table list to vector for spawnpoints

[livid wigeon]

cool lookin map

[fervent sun]

elaborate

[vivid laurel]

might just be part of the map editor but it looks like it pulls from a table entry to get a vector

[fervent sun]

none of the api functions take tables as input

[abstract sage]

ig you could store it as a string and send it straight to tm.vector3.create, but thats a somewhat new addition

[vivid laurel]

working with alpha as roughness is quite a chore but once you get it right it kind of just works

[wide sorrel]

I've found using the inverted greyscale of images generated through http://www.smart-page.net/smartnormal/ at high levels of bias (95 to 99) as the alpha of the texture usually tends to work quite well without having to manually go through and paint the smoothness map, and if it's too rough or too smooth you can just adjust the alpha

[vivid laurel]

yea no i use procedural texturing which helps alot

but its still difficult to know just how rough a certain alpha value is

[wide sorrel]

uh
0% alpha = completely rough
100% alpha = literally a mirror

[vivid laurel]

that i do know

but i dont know how the roughness is laid out

it feels like its like this

might need to look into unity's roughness mapping for this one really

[wide sorrel]

on the ingame Stranded map mud texture it goes from 73% alpha on the smooth parts to 14% alpha in the more rough sections

[vivid laurel]

you know what would be great? if we had 0 alpha act as emissive instead of pitchblack

[wide sorrel]

0 alpha can still hold colour data

[vivid laurel]

apparently not

[wide sorrel]

it can

[vivid laurel]

its pitchblack

pure black

[wide sorrel]

might be the image editor you're using, blueprints function on colour stored in 0 alpha pixels in the blueprint images

[vivid laurel]

direct color RRGGBBAA 32bit float

[vivid laurel]

new parts on their way :>

[wide sorrel]

so strange to see blender in that font after using blender in its default font for years, looking good though

[vivid laurel]

these parts will be saving me ALOT of time

no more slope lips

no more banking jank

[wide sorrel]

ooh
having the lighting a part of the texture is quite smart

[vivid laurel]

i mean since you cant have lighting normally you gotta make due somehow

i was hoping i could use alpha as actual alpha

but its out of the question

meaning when i get to transparent parts

i will use highdef models

(checkerboard method)

it will probably wreck the entire collision model tough

-# (i hope not)

[fervent sun]

Your editor is removing the data. You can use the color with 0 alpha

[atomic plaza]

If I may ask, what was your process to make those shapes? I want to make similar segments and am new to blender so I’m hunting down any tips and tricks I can find

Essentially, is there a way I can make a roads profile and then extrude it into curves and banks?

[vivid laurel]

i made the main segment manually, then used a curve, and deform modifier

for the Y-split i manually modelled it

[clever ocean]

How do you make props

And then import them

[lone bane]

https://tenor.com/view/smoothie-blending-strawberry-gif-8883016

[teal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/adams-car-list10years-from-now-gif-20368222

This ^

[teal mist]

The real question is does the road texture tile seamleasly

[vivid laurel]

it mostlikely wont, for now

it will be patched soon enough

there will be seams as per usual

especially on the y segment

not enough uv space

[teal mist]

Try texturelab.io

[vivid laurel]

eww no im not using AI

[teal mist]

You can make procedural textures there

[teal mist]

Its node based

I used it before

Or ambientcg they have free road textures

[vivid laurel]

i prefer to stay with shaderwork and baking textures

dont wanna have to battle with licenses

[teal mist]

Its free

[vivid laurel]

oh its free alright, but your uses are limited

[teal mist]

Its free and open source

https://github.com/njbrown/texturelab

[vivid laurel]

again, i prefer to stay with shaderwork and baking textures

making your own >> anything else

[teal mist]

As in shading language?

[vivid laurel]

yeap

[teal mist]

I never did that

Thats cool

[vivid laurel]

using shaders to make textures is alot better

more creative freedom

also baking lighting etc into textures as trailmakers doesnt support multiUV

[teal mist]

It just sounds like alot of mathematical operations though

[vivid laurel]

i mean in the backend it boils down to those yes

[teal mist]

Thats all of computing tbh

Its what makes our brains different

Also its impossible to tile textures in blender I tried and searched far and wide if thats what youre doing

[vivid laurel]

:> you can tile them

[teal mist]

Youd have to do it somehow differently

[vivid laurel]

procedurally even

[teal mist]

How?

[vivid laurel]

by using parralel setups with inverted coordinates and then just at the edge of the texture, blending the mirrored one in

[teal mist]

Oh alr

[vivid laurel]

easiest seamless processing, but it means 2x the shader load

[teal mist]

Makes sense

But sounds like alot of work

[vivid laurel]

it can be, sometimes

[vivid laurel]

trying to load a large vertex map and its REALLY struggling

22 seconds to load the mesh, then no texture and collisions work up until 120 units from origin

softcrashes afterwards

it wants to load, dont get me wrong, it just seems to get caught somewhere

i was hoping trailmappers found a way to implement them more conveniently but were not there yet

[versed moat]

Implement what more consistently, this is a known issue and has been an issue since the start of the modding api. There are reasons why most existing custom mesh maps are relatively low polygon.

Nothing to do with trailmappers

[vivid laurel]

i was hoping it would see the amount of polygons and do in-time splitting

into something that it can actually convert

its a model with no holes so segmenting it manually into tinier blocks can work but will be awful to align

[versed moat]

Yeah thats not going to happen

[vivid laurel]

rip

well that leaves me with making terrain really just a mess of blob bois

[versed moat]

Because even if your splitting it, you have the games loading of the individual split meshes that causes hangs on its own.

[vivid laurel]

i mean im fine with tinier hangs

if it catches itself thats fine by me

i only care about it loading in, not how long it takes

i am debating making west coast USA in trailmappers so you know what torture i am giving unity ahead of time

[versed moat]

In the current modding api state, I would not recommend.

[livid wigeon]

wcusa from beamng would be W

but how add the missions XD

or the ai traffic 💀💀💀

[vivid laurel]

im sure itll be fine

[versed moat]

Its your funeral

[vivid laurel]

its unitys funeral

[keen lion]

On one side I was thinking about making Lego city undercover, on the other I'm too lazy to start mapmaking

[vivid laurel]

ill have to revive it every minute

[livid wigeon]

shock it back to life every minute

[vivid laurel]

ive already endured bluescreens to make the nürburgring on a 1999's engine

[versed moat]

Amount of time I've tried to make various different high detailed maps by splitting them only to run into it taking ages for meshes to load even when split, and once you load a certain amount of meshes irrelevant of the polygon count the game crashes (it hits a networking limit)

[vivid laurel]

does it atleast support instancing

so it doesnt reload the same model over and over and over

cuz if not ill have to really do a low poly variant

and do ALOT OF TEXTURE BAKING

[versed moat]

Thats what the cache does but the cache feature creates more lag than it used to be to just load the mesh 😐

[vivid laurel]

😐 aw maan

do custom models atleast work as nonstatic props

[versed moat]

Yeah rigidbodies

[fervent sun]

Not exactly

[vivid laurel]

whew thank god

[versed moat]

The cache 100% lags more than it was to just load the mesh directly before the caching feature was added, if you look at older versions of the games. Vajdani tested it

[fervent sun]

The cache just stores the mesh/texture in your local pc to not have to redownload it each time you connect to a server. Instancing is using a single mesh with different textures/materials/color/position/rotation/scale instead of duplicating the mesh in memory for each one (using a reference to the mesh data)

[vivid laurel]

trailmakers doesnt use instancing directly though for custom models right

for assets already in the game , yes maybe

[fervent sun]

you spawn custom objects with a reference to their mesh and texture, so maybe?

[lone bane]

damn u rlly want lego city undercover

[teal mist]

Sadly health insurance doesnt cover ptsd from trying to import 100000000 verticies into trailmappers

[teal mist]

I think unity does it by default

so does every game engine except roblox studio because of course its roblox

[keen lion]

Not enough to start mapmaking

[teal mist]

is it just me or does importing a mesh mess up normals?

nevermind it was trailmappers not refreshing the improted meshes cache or something

does anyone know how to import textures?

[lone bane]

through trailmappers? you can just place a png or jpg inside of the same custom model folder

[teal mist]

Doesnt show up for me

[lone bane]

does it show up in the configuration setting of a custom model?

[teal mist]

nope

Even when I have it in the custom models folder

i'll try with a png

[lone bane]

yea i might be wrong about jpg

im not too sure

[teal mist]

yeah i'm pretty sure its because the JPG format doesnt have an alpha channel

thanks for the help though

[abstract sage]

i can only look at 1.5's code, but there it loads the mesh data into a dictionary, and whenever a new object with that mesh id is spawned, the object requests the meshes(the original model and it's 3 LOD's) and assigns those meshes to its LOD's and the collider
its the same with textures

[vivid laurel]

so semi instancing, thats decent if its kept like that

[teal mist]

is there a way to add water?

obviously beyond the og method of a single texture

[fervent sun]

no

[wide sorrel]

not water water, but with some modding shenanigans you can get pretty close, for only the cost of 90% of your frames and weeks of your time

[teal mist]

:(

I wish there was a way to raise the water level

[knotty lily]

https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1270069457657528391

[wide sorrel]

doesn't exist

[knotty lily]

yeah

[wide sorrel]

we need it though

[teal mist]

or maybe just a test map with water isntead of a plane 🤷

both sound nice and a water test map seams easy to impliment

[wide sorrel]

that's called Dethrone Island But The Spawn Point Is At 0, 0

[knotty lily]

just use one of the existing maps and offset it relative to the islands

[teal mist]

yeah but the main island is still there im pretty sure

and it looks out of place with tm terrain

or a way to make a mesh have terrain depth

[wide sorrel]

yes, but it's absolutely tiny and your chances of running into it are tiny

[teal mist]

I am considering placing a decimated mesh under the terrain and give the original terrain collisions off to reduce the hitboxes faces for optimization

also it will make the sand look like it digs into the tires

but idk

[fervent sun]

Just put it far away so it can't be seen

[teal mist]

fair enough

but water test map doesnt sound like a dumb idea either way

[fervent sun]

It's not a good one either

[teal mist]

its simple and makes sense to me

and it would allow for deeper maps

[fervent sun]

Just uses the edges of maps. There is plenty of empty space there already, and it doesn't make sense to add an entire new map just for mods which are only available on a single platform

[knotty lily]

being able to change the water level would be though, if that is with mods or without them would certainly be appreciated by everyone. Would make it possible to have a full water map by just raising the sea level in Test Zone(granted the water would also need to be made visible)

[wide sorrel]

I feel like having an option to switch between solid ground and water on test zone in session settings would be better than having another map that just occupies more space on the menu screen for a lot of people to not use it

[teal mist]

thats fair

im trying to make terrain without 99999 verticies

[wide sorrel]

it's doable

but it can be hard to get the terrain to a loadable amount sometimes

[teal mist]

Ive got something like this

[knotty lily]

have fun suffering if you want anything above 200x 200 meters xD

[teal mist]

I can get it down to 170 something but then its alot of work

I ust scaled up the uv's for a tiling texture and its fine

terrain isnt really that hard when you look at it that way

but if you want to use dynotopo or cliffs then youre screwed

I might just end up using gaea

[wide sorrel]

map that uses over 50% of the space in 15km^2 as actual land my beloved
really low resolution though

[knotty lily]

nice what are the load times tho

[wide sorrel]

A few seconds for the terrain

iirc

[knotty lily]

ah thats pretty good

[wide sorrel]

when the mesh has been cached it's practically instant

[teal mist]

thats cool

did you make it with 3rd aparty software or by hand btw

[wide sorrel]

terrain was done with blender, texture was literally just taken from the game

[teal mist]

btw does trailmakers support pbr in any way

[wide sorrel]

no

[teal mist]

dang

makes sense though this game is probably based on 2017 unity since thats when it was made

[wide sorrel]

you can update unity versions on unity projects

[teal mist]

im pretty sure there would be porting issues

or the lighting engine would have to change

which doesnt sound fun

Ive never used unity that much though so I cant question it

[wide sorrel]

Should be able to see unity version in the bottom right corner in the escape or main menu

[teal mist]

yeah I just googled it it looks like a toggle which is nice

usually alot of things get revamped

like hte new lighting engine in ue5

[obtuse drift]

Is there any way to prevent things from changing texture? this mountain was supposed to be completely black yet it's green ;(

also like only 5% of my grass is actual grass

[blazing harbor]

those kinds of assests make the upwards pointing parts grass

no matter how you turn it

[obtuse drift]

:(

so no big mountians

what about the grass tho?

[blazing harbor]

?

[obtuse drift]

did I just upscale it too mcuh?

[blazing harbor]

what grass

[obtuse drift]

all this

ingame it's all dirt

only thing that is the same are the 2 big rocks and the stuff around the ship

[blazing harbor]

might be an upscaling problem yeah

[obtuse drift]

argh

so annoying

[obtuse drift]

I figured out that if I use another type of asset it does stay black, it acutally gets darker, whilst the other type turns into grass no matter what

also the grass seems to be an upscaling problem indeed

Glad I tested it now so that I can still edit without all too much work.

Eum, turns out the grass gets mesd up no matter what

unless it's like, basic size, you can't modify it at all

[obtuse drift]

alr i'm giving up on this

[obtuse drift]

if it could only look the same in game as it does on there

[wide sorrel]

the trailmappers texture for some of the rocks is inaccurate

gonna just have to deal with it at this point

suggestion for Trailmappers:
have the exported code teleport the player to the spawn point after all the assets are added as well.
while it's nice to see everything come together from the spawn point, it's not so nice when you teleport to spawn but fall under the map because the object hasn't appeared yet and have to either respawn or go into build mode and place a seat to get out once it's fully loaded

[obtuse drift]

The problem for me is that the thing in-game looks completely different than in the trailmappers menu, all the textures get jumbled around

I made something really nice, only to figure out that my grass plains were made out of dirt, and that my rough mountains were made out of grass

Solution's to this take much more time than they are worth, so I'm just not even gonna try anymore

[wide sorrel]

Some grass orients up, some grass orients with the prefab, a lot of it is just overall wrong

[obtuse drift]

Indeed, so I'm supposed to build my grass out of trees?

That's going to look horrible, and also just be a pain to create for me

[wide sorrel]

I have a feeling custom models could do a better job

apart from the... magnetic, wheels thinking it's metal, wheelsink when not at the convex edge

, client based load times, low resolution, having to know how to 3D model, ...

[obtuse drift]

maybe they should have polished this thing a bit more before doing a challenge on it 😅

[obtuse drift]

I was so hyped to have built this only for it to look like this

[knotty lily]

the Trailmakers Devs have nothing to do with Trailmappers, its a non profit Software created solely by Ridicolas (and Jess)

[keen lion]

As a matter of fact the challenge is not about trailmappers

[teal mist]

Does anyone know how to fix trailmappers exporting like this

it looks like this in railmappers

and yes the normals point outwards

[keen lion]

You could use trailedit, and it would have more assets (and i guess avoid the issuw just shown) go manually or whatever else you want

Correction, the issue seems to be just about the model not using the convex spawning, on both edit and mapper the fix is to modify one line of the loader

[teal mist]

And it spawns a random cube as well

[teal mist]

so is it an issue on my or trailmappers side

becuase its 2,2k verts and i'm sure everythings fine

[keen lion]

Is the issue just the collision or the color as well?

[teal mist]

the color and 2 of 3 objects always being mising

[keen lion]

Are you sure it's done loading?

[teal mist]

Yes

[keen lion]

Iirc mappers doesn't have a UI, so it doesn't show loading percentage

Hmm

Don't remember any function that returns when it's done loading tho

Might just be when it finishes spawning

[teal mist]

only 1 of 3 objects is visible

and all have collissions

so the mesh data is there

its just invisible

[keen lion]

Best option I think would be, add an empty UI so you can see real loading percentage

[teal mist]

how would I do that

[keen lion]

Brb

[teal mist]

its definetly laoded though

2,2k verts and im running a4060

[keen lion]

Not home, I'll tell later

[teal mist]

alr

[keen lion]

You are overestimating TM speed

[teal mist]

it loads 1 asset in like 5 seconds

and it cant laod a 2nd one in 5 minutes?

[keen lion]

Try adding tm.playerUI.AddUILabel(0,"ui", "-")

Almost anywhere should work, like on the first/last line

And the new ui should show the loading percentage

[teal mist]

how though

I've never modded

Either way I gave it 10 mintues but it never loaded

and the textures dont load either

[knotty lily]

open the main.lua file located in your mods folder and paste the line Jess showed in there

[teal mist]

In which function?

[knotty lily]

doesnt matter just put it in one of the first few lines

preferably outside of any function

[teal mist]

alr done

lets see

no changes

im pretty sure the assets are somehow broken on upload

nevermind

the road model is there but never loads

[teal mist]

is there transparency map support?

[keen lion]

No

Alpha in the texture is already in use by smoothness, and as of now there is no way to add any other "special texture" (transparency, normals, glow, ecc...)

[teal mist]

Dang this modding is really limited

Idek if its worth it anymore

[obtuse drift]

Yeah, I gave up after figuring out I can't make grass

[teal mist]

If this game had a decent way of making maps it would be 10x better

[obtuse drift]

If the maps just looked the same in the map maker as they did ingame...

Maybe it'll happen later

[vivid laurel]

If we had a way to access the way the maps make their base terrain youd bet wed have alot better maps

With all the texture blending and automatic LOD

I think they use metaballs for their terrain, at least it looks like it

It would skip having to use grass assets that arent actually flat

Or snow assets

For just the ground

[wide sorrel]

that's called your texture hasn't loaded yet

[wide sorrel]

that's called your mesh hasn't finished loading

[wide sorrel]

that's just when it's finished adding the objects into the world, the mesh and texture loads seperately, and one cannot predict the loading times of mesh and texture

[lone bane]

that would all be solved if we could just have a UI element so we can actually see the DL time
literally just having a button labeled "close" that closes the ui when pressed would work

prolly a few lines of code, but unless trailmappers gets changed itll have to be manually typed into the code

[wide sorrel]

the main.lua is always the same so I assume it'd just be duplicated from a pre-set file that they can change really easily

[lone bane]

keyword "they"

[teal mist]

I highly doubt it take 15 minutes to load 2,2k verts on higher end hardware

[wide sorrel]

2.2k or 22k?

2.2k shouldn't take too long

[wide sorrel]

definitely sounds like an unloaded mesh, the collisions loads really fast, but the overall visual aspect takes a while to load

[teal mist]

2.2

[vivid laurel]

can anyone confirm that when you save a map project it also bundles custom models with the map

asking for collaboration reasons

[wide sorrel]

if you export it it does (in the mod's folder atleast)
if you save it it still uses the custom models located in your custom models folder, copying over the map file won't bring the custom models

[vivid laurel]

rip

[atomic plaza]

Any idea when the new spawnable objects will be added to Mappers?

[wide sorrel]

when ridicolas enters existence again

[keen lion]

Ranges between tomorrow and never again

Meaning the median time is never again

[atomic plaza]

So considering Rid is still MIA, how much to bribe you to bump it up to at least a eventually?

[keen lion]

I'll be honest, last time I heard him he mentioned re-doing all the models me and bread added, but with a different ripper, since they don't have lods

Which, looking at the fact that purple birb is still broke, never got completed

[atomic plaza]

Oof, well if you talk to him again tell him Chicken said hi

[wide sorrel]

#general-trailmakers message @lone bane OpenStreetMap has everything as textures in tiles that you can download as image files
might be able to use that for satellite imagery

[vivid laurel]

ok this website is alot better for making these big 4k maps

took no time to make a 4k x 2k suzuka circuit image

[keen lion]

There is a blender plugin to make both textures as well as terrain

[vivid laurel]

all i need now is the chirpo houses, and some modeling for barriers aswell as finding a good base model for the track

[vivid laurel]

its outdated, no longer works for newer versions

[keen lion]

Downdate blender? Idk

[vivid laurel]

i had its plugin on end and after 3.0 it no longer has the key to get access to either openstreet or navmap

[lone bane]

i had that already couldnt figure out how to export the texture seperately

blenderGIS i thimk

[lone bane]

it worked for me, maybe gpt updated or something

[lone bane]

anyone have an ideas for how i could be able to replicate this fire and smoke?

[atomic plaza]

Well first you gotta find yourself an oil well out in tha desert, then you strap a IED with a timer or remote detonator to said well see…

(You can use the flame thrower for the flames, not sure about smoke though)

[lone bane]

uh, not trying to commit war crimes but.....

too late

[lone bane]

only annoying bit is theres 5 flames per flamethrower which are perfectly spaced, makes it hard to have it not look weird

[atomic plaza]

I think the flame particles don’t scale with the emitters, they just use their position so you should be able to scale them to zero or near zero on that axis to effectively have one flame (if my memory is correct)

[abstract sage]

yeah probably

kinda weird how the prefab is multiple flamethrowers in one

[blazing harbor]

Smoke can be done with the chirpo plane wreck or the lava tile

Both can be scaled down but the smoke remains the same size tho

The smoke Might be too small

[hybrid vault]

hi, short question: how to build on maps of trailmakers? so how to import it into trailmappers?

[atomic plaza]

Unfortunately there is no import of the other maps, so you’ll have to bounce between Mappers and Trailmakers to get the alignment right

[hybrid vault]

ok, i tried that in that moment, but the bottom tiles are all above most of the tracks of the racing island

is there a way to get into the bottom?

[inner nacelle]

0, 0, 0 in Trailmappers is actually 0, 300, 0 in Trailmakers

The sea level in the sandbox maps is 200. Test Zone's surface is 300

[hybrid vault]

so i have to build in the water?

[inner nacelle]

Are you trying to build something on Race Island?

[hybrid vault]

yes

[hybrid vault]

thought there is water in trailmappers

[inner nacelle]

OK well in Trailmappers turn off the Test Zone surface then place things at -100 (Y axis) and that will match the water surface in Race Island

[hybrid vault]

oh, wow, because of the 300 i thought i must go on -300. but thx for advice

[inner nacelle]

No probs. Yeah you should be able to place objects on the land in any sandbox map by getting the X, Y and Z coordinates in-game (with a mod that shows coordinates) then doing those Y axis adjustments to get the correct height.

[abstract sage]

why didnt the devs just put the maps at 0,0,0

[inner nacelle]

Not sure but I do find it handy in mods to spawn objects at 0,0,0 (unseen) to scale and rotate them before moving them to their proper position 🤷‍♂️

[clever ocean]

how do i know i am at the level of the sea

[wide sorrel]

You, traveller, shall see thouself forthcoming the region of sea once you have descended below to level 200, or known as level -100 to the Trailmappers civilisation, it is here where lies the endless plane of ocean the Trailmappers and Test Zone civilisations are blind to

[tacit rover]

its not thats just how it is in trailmappers

you can spawn just one from trailedit

[abstract sage]

why did you make it like that lol

[tacit rover]

ridicolas made it like that lmfao

ask him

[abstract sage]

unrelated but whoever thought you(referring to one person) and you(referring to multiple people) should be the same exact word should blow up

[lone bane]

yall

[hybrid vault]

another question, but more into the future of trailmappers: will we ever get respawn points? it would make so much things easier

[lone bane]

modding api issue, not trailmappers
trailmappers is unofficial and uses the modding api to create “Maps”. there is no current support for custom minimaps or respawn points, so trailmappers is unable to make them (also the dev has gone on a hiatus for an undetermined amount of time)

[keen lion]

There is support for respawn points

Not the look of the points, but there is the feature

Tho yeah, dunno when it will come to mappers

[lone bane]

im assuming hes asking about respawn points as in the tab map, including multiple that you can teleport to seperately

he did say “respawn points”

[keen lion]

Then no, but we can set points for the player to go with when holding backspace/dieing

[hybrid vault]

offtopic: shitty car, only hanging around while i trie to get maps to work

[lone bane]

literally just a cube:

the same "cube" from 100m away

[wide sorrel]

trailmakers' LOD system at its coarsest

[livid wigeon]

dorito lore

[lone bane]

fire LOD system

[livid wigeon]

🔥 LOD 🖥️

[keen lion]

You can always trick it into thinking that the object bigger (aka add a small triangle far away)

That's how the nurbirgring manages to get good road

Or Alva's screen

[lone bane]

because an 8 vertices blender default cube is WAY to complex, it needs to be reduced to 1 at 1m away

[keen lion]

Yeah

12 triangles is too many

[warm venture]

Any way I can align things with a grid?

Making things perfectly straight is hard

[inner nacelle]

You could try setting the snapping amounts for position and scale to higher numbers.

[wide sorrel]

ctrl + move/rotate to snap to such snapping grid as well iirc

[keen lion]

big radar dish moment

sadly no proper texturing

[blazing harbor]

voices of the void?????

holy goober

[keen lion]

perhaps

[blazing harbor]

yummers

[lone bane]

yummy

[livid wigeon]

just make it snowy and pretend like every single face of it got coated

[keen lion]

what if it's in the desert?

anyhow, managed to make it look decent

[livid wigeon]

how

[keen lion]

blender

[livid wigeon]

sticky sand

[livid wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-green-thumbs-up-emoji-emoji-thumbs-up-spinning-spinning-green-emoji-gif-17967997718123316139

[keen lion]

uv mapped it, and made a simple noise texture (i ain't gonna map it properly)

[livid wigeon]

how simple is the simple noise textur

[keen lion]

this simple

[median beacon]

Hey @shadow path sorry for ping but question

How do I upload a map to the workshop?

[shadow path]

when u r on ur host while mods active, theres an UPLOAD button, sec ill screenshot

[median beacon]

It says upload map in the session bar but like it asks me the co ordinates of the map and like idk them

[shadow path]

u do it through trailmakers not mappers

[median beacon]

I know

I'm not on rn so would a video tutorial be okay? If not then I can work with written

[shadow path]

@median beacon uploading takes a lil time, be patience, 2-5mins depends on size.
if something isnt clear, feel free to bother me how much u want 💜

[median beacon]

OOH that kind of location!

I thought it was looking for co-ordinates in game

Thank you! I will try that when I upload my mapmakers submission

[shadow path]

looking forward to see what have u TUNED

[blazing harbor]

is there a server in the room

[keen lion]

no, the rats stole it

[blazing harbor]

grrrr

howd you get the model

[keen lion]

crime

[blazing harbor]

bravo

[keen lion]

||ripped them||

i might just place the tm asset computer inside, it's better than a crappy texture on the actual server + console

[lone bane]

uv mapping is awesome

[inner nacelle]

You don't technically need the whole path to the mod if it's in the default mods folder. You just need the last bit of the path eg. mods\yourmapfolder

If you want to update your map on the workshop don't do that same procedure or it will upload as a new map on the Workshop - the old one will still be there.

To update you need to open Trailmakers, select "WORKSHOP", select "My Uploads", select your map, select the "Edit" button and then add your path and description changes before hitting "UPLOAD"

[vivid laurel]

can i artificially increase the max viewing distance

im ... kinda running out of view distance

[wide sorrel]

nope

I mean in tmappers there's an option to, but not in tmakers, and it's a slider

[vivid laurel]

well its maxed out

and i cant go further

[hybrid vault]

i was so stupid, not to see that i can use the racing points as a respawn point. so when u drive through it it respawns u at the same point when u hit backspace. now i build a map on the racing island

[inner nacelle]

Not stupid to think of that 😉
I almost implemented that into the checkpoints in Track Creator Plus but I ran short of time so left it out.

Look forward to trying out your map.

[keen lion]

me: oh yeah, i'm X% done with this stupid map
also me 3 seconds later: *adding unplanned extra stuff*

currently debating if to add a working elevator

[ashen delta]

can you select multiple objects and duplicate them?

If yes,how

[keen lion]

select multiple objects (shift+click) and press the duplicate button

[ashen delta]

ok

thx

[maiden bloom]

Hello, is there a way to create a map with a specific ingame map already loaded? Just started messing with Trailmappers a couple of hours ago

Was hoping to build around Dangerzone and Treasure Island

[livid wigeon]

nope

could try to put a few placeholder assets, position those correctly and then build around those though

[maiden bloom]

So I can only load the wip map and check ingame? That's kinda tedious ngl

[livid wigeon]

it is but if you practice a little you can get it down to maybe 4 checks after finding the general location

takes maybe a minute

[maiden bloom]

aye, I'll see what I can do

[hybrid vault]

its online, but its hard. i hardly managed to do the testing XD

but how to change the picture that is shown in the workshop? it looks like there is nothing in there

[inner nacelle]

Trailmapppers creates a preview image of exactly where your camera is pointing at the moment you export the map. Just make sure the camera is pointing at the parts of your map that make a good preview angle when you export it.

[hybrid vault]

thx

[hybrid vault]

i dont know about links in this channel but here is the map: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3349724049

[shadow path]

You can also make ur own custom thumbnail by modifing this file (Preview)

[keen lion]

Do note max 1mb

[lone bane]

are there any limitations when it comes to having a custom object be marked as not static?

slightly heavy pallet

[livid wigeon]

that forklift is so detailed wtf

gimme that

[lone bane]

ask blocky

its his

i still need answers

why cant i make the model unstatic

[keen lion]

That's odd

Honestly I don't remember how mapper handles it, but it should allow it

[shadow path]

@radiant oasis #1226065444364877835 message

[keen lion]

wacky lake map is almost done

man, i love the fog hiding all them radar dishes ||i really don't||

[shadow path]

nnnooiiiceeee

[lone bane]

something good to know for the people:
1 blender meter = 1 tm meter (4 blocks)

[ashen delta]

How can I delete a light pillar? I placed one of these and couldn't delete it

[wide sorrel]

some things aren't selectable with the latest version of tmappers for some reason
should be able to undo it still

[keen lion]

I maaay have forgotten to add the collider to it, which is causing the issue

You should always be able to find the save file and delete it from there (If you can't undo)

[fallen cedar]

I need help. I am going to make a karting track, but I need to make curbs and stuff around it

It needs to be perfectly flat and with smooth nice curbs

i dont know how or hat models to use

Is there any models I can import? how?

[spring oracle]

The map "F1 Track Feat. Craiyon AI inspired layout" by robertrdemare, has some really nice curbs using containers

[fallen oxide]

How wide is that port entrance?

[lone bane]

i have a bunch of textures that are set to 1 opacity using paint.net, ive been trying some methods to revert the opacity of the entire image back to the max, but they just arent working. is there a way i am able to completely revert that using either gimp, photoshop, or something else?

[keen lion]

42 blocks

(i sure hope noone realise how unnecessary big a port like this is for a landlocked lake)

[keen lion]

little spoiler (if only they didn't have those damn beams)

[keen lion]

aaaah, water not be deep enough, forced to dethrone....

[fallen oxide]

That really changes how big the map looks

[keen lion]

it is quite big

[abstract sage]

jeez that looks great

how much of that is custom assets?

[keen lion]

close to none

a total of 7 different assets

[livid wigeon]

different

[keen lion]

yeah, but even if we count repeat it's at most 8 of each

(and 3 of them are part of the same building)

[livid wigeon]

why? load time? complexity?

[keen lion]

the dish so i can rotate it separately

the rest because if it was combined it gave errors, no clue why

[livid wigeon]

average tmmodding moment

[abstract sage]

oh ok

[keen lion]

all the ground is tm assets, if that's what you were wondering

[abstract sage]

yeah it looked custom

[keen lion]

it's called "spamming pointy ice and rocks"

[blazing harbor]

that boat looks fake

looks like a background 2d model

[keen lion]

nuh uh

[fallen oxide]

Driving on water?

[keen lion]

i used a big silo to undertand the level of water on mapper, it doesn't like to not be collidable

i hope i won't forget to remove it later

[fallen oxide]

Indeed

[blazing harbor]

jesus car

[inner nacelle]

You can use vertically scaled down walls to create a kind of curb. Also I'm happy to give you (or anyone) the flat tarmac object & texture you can see in that pic if you want it.

[fallen cedar]

Yes that would be great!!

[inner nacelle]

Here you go

[lone bane]

absolutely insane mesh loading trailmakers

[wide sorrel]

mesh loader actually behaving for people?

unheard of in centuries

[rancid temple]

Is there a limit to how many assets can be loaded with with a mod? I just got to a point where any new object I place is not being loaded and it says the map is 99% loaded. Or is perhaps one of the assets bugged and can't be loaded into the game, so all assets placed after it can't be loaded too?

[keen lion]

How many assets do you have ¬_¬

Anyhow, your answer is: no clue, there shouldn't be a limit tho, the loader doesn't really tell you what exactly of the process is missing tho

[rancid temple]

It only says "Loading Map "Map Name" 99%"

[rancid temple]

I fixed it. It appears one of the Chirpos is Cursed and prevents the map from fully loading in.

[keen lion]

Must be the usual

A "debugger loader" that says what it's spawning and asset loading percentages could be nice

[frank musk]

how do i install trailmappers

[blazing harbor]

steam

[frank musk]

it says i have to request access

[blazing harbor]

yeah just press that and it will install like a regular steam game

idk why its like that

[frank musk]

ohhhh ok, TY

[lone bane]

is mesh loading based on drive speed or internet or what?

[keen lion]

Magic

[abstract sage]

it kinda depends on internet

[lone bane]

so you cant load custom maps (stored locally on computer) without internet?