terrible ideas

[tardy ingot]

I'll downvote it just because its long

new boss idea

[red oak]

Did you remember the play mat weapon for old TPD?

[tardy ingot]

👄

wall of flesh from therraria

[tardy ingot]

whatis TPD

[red oak]

Touhou Pixel Dungeon

[tardy ingot]

TOO cruel PD?

[red oak]

Too cruel pd is TCPD, touhou pd is TPD

oh wait

acronym is smiliar

[tardy ingot]

ight ghanks

[red oak]

between TPD and TCPD...

probably when I refer TPD, people may think TCPD because TCPD is more popular

So I need to discard TPD acronym...

[tardy ingot]

my idea fo the new acyonm: Too Touhou Tixel Tungeon

TTTT

[red oak]

Gensokyo is crying

THPD seems fine

For original touhou games, it uses THXX.

[teal moss]

toupd
... actually nvm let's go with yours xd

[tardy ingot]

sounds like yourPD

[strong quartz]

Yes, I do, it was one of the weapons ever.

It honestly feels like I'm one of the only ones who actually played it...

[wintry tendon]

Rogue loses his cloak.
Instead he gains a flask of invisibility.

The flask has 3 uses which will give the rogue 5 turns of invisibility.

The flask will not gain levels and can only be refilled via well of health using, imbuing it with a full waterskin, or imbuing it with a potion of health/invisibility/haste.

Can be upgraded with sou to increase charges and also lengthens invisibility duration.

[granite sundial]

Someone should create a pd mod with all the terrible ideas in game

[unique holly]

but it already exists

and its called sprouted pd

[wintry tendon]

Add succubus queen in demon halls

[verbal topaz]

Succubus are actually resident evil characters

[shy mica]

is this directed towards me

[shy mica]

heresy

[azure garnet]

yes

🔪

[granite sundial]

Nah

Remixed*

What

[dusk sky]

no nsfw

[wintry tendon]

Not safe for warden

[unique holly]

terrible idea: new challenge: locked boxes

remove all locked doors

a bunch of crystal chests spawn sometimes around the level with 1 crystal key

and iron keys spawn way more

but you use them to unlock normal chests

[unique holly]

ngl i kinda like remixed

and in terms of sprouted

good-ish concept

bug riddled mess of a product

same for remixed tbh

minus the 5 million different bugs

[wintry tendon]

Port pixel dungeon onto unreal engine

[neon spindle]

And I take that personally

Sprouted isn't terrible at all

[plain hemlock]

Being back weapon/armour durability but instead of it lowering it's level, you lose some effectiveness like damage or accuracy.
You can use liquid metal to repair the weapons.

Terrible idea but not really? Idk tbh, may be hard to balance, or it may give the liquid metal more uses

[wintry tendon]

Bring back watabou

[plain hemlock]

Arcane resin for wands is questionable cuz how hard it is to get

[red oak]

Let, ankh are being curseable by cursing trap. When you have cursed ankh in your possession and die, instead, forcely crash the game and the game is shut down(same as cursed wand's game crash effect)

[sharp parcel]

Armored guardians for guardian trap

[granite sundial]

No

Make you got banned to play for 1 hours

[wintry tendon]

Limit movement speed to 1.5 tiles per turn and getting faster than that simply boosts accuracy and evasion for the "extra" turns of movement

[plain hemlock]

Just delete the save lol.

Sends you back to main menu.

[runic granite]

Cursed Ankh Error

Retry starts a new game
Abort crashes the game
Fail kills you

[dusk sky]

the window pops up again when you restart after choosing abort

[maiden lily]

Idea: projecting champ enemies with ranged attacks can shoot through walls

[runic granite]

Melee projecting Champs can already do that.

[tardy ingot]

warlocks' shadow bolt now can blind

[grizzled flame]

Scorpions have crab movement speed

[tardy ingot]

gnoll brutes get adrenaline while enraged

DMs200 can now dig walls

[feral fractal]

rats are immortal

[ebon ingot]

Spinners apply corrosion

[tardy ingot]

let us kill the rat king

🔪

[feral fractal]

goo's magic attack works like a ranged attack (shoots a bolt at you)

[grizzled flame]

Goo has no magic attack tho

[tardy ingot]

goo doesnt have a magic attack

the pump up attack has triple accuracy iirc, and it can be reduced with normal defense

magic attacks have double accuracy and ignore armor

[feral fractal]

idk the lore thingy says they used magic or smth

[tardy ingot]

[strong quartz]

Rats always move in packs.

[shy mica]

on death

spawn a corpse

except for the ghosts

and lashers

you need to loot the corpse to get the loot

also theres no food

so enjoy roasted evil eyes

[plain hemlock]

on death, become wraith.

[shy mica]

the wraith has your gear

you must fight it

[plain hemlock]

nah, you are the wraith, go find your zombie corpse and fight it to get back into your body.

[shy mica]

it is a terrible idea

ankh but with 1 hp and no items

it would eb cool to see a flight item

like an artifact

not just levi pots

[spiral thicket]

remove the mage staff, Broken Seal, Invisibility cloak

those spaces could instead be used for a spirit bow

[pearl girder]

Idea: floor description
"Nothing interesting here" ->
"It's made out of floor"

[pearl girder]

Idea: chalice prick dmg change
3 x artifact level^2 ->
3 pricks of [0-2(AL-2)^2], [0-2(AL-1)^2], and [0-2AL^2] respectively.

[pearl girder]

On average, you receive 194 damage instead of 243 on the final prick, and you even have a chance of it dealing no damage at all!
||but if you want 100% chance of surviving it, you need to be able to withstand 388 damage||

[granite sundial]

Lmao

2% battery

[tardy ingot]

couldnt read that scroll of recharge

[neon spindle]

Cause unidentified

[strong quartz]

Hmm yes the floor is made out of floor

[verbal topaz]

Yes please remove seal

[runic granite]

Remixed has you covered I believe.

[red oak]

Throwing a fully filled waterskin to mech-type enemies(for example dm-100) inflict slow and sp. ability is sealed because the machine is broken. If inflict succeed, waterskin loses all water.

Another terrible idea: when started ascension when you quit the game without finishing the ascend(or out of phone battery) your save is deleted and being treated as game over.

You must see the end without quitting when picked up the amulet, Oneshot!

[strong quartz]

Hey wait a minute I know what this is from

[teal moss]

From where?

[strong quartz]

It's from Shiren 4/5

Water Pot

On some monster families it inflicts 3 stacks of Slow (which is usually pretty overkill) and Sealed

[pearl girder]

Idea: Anti-challenges
Friendly champions
Harmless bosses
Never hungry
Double armor slots
Pharmabonanza
Fire-resistant berry-filled vegetation
Monsters in-fighting
Beyond eyesight
More upgrades!

Further idea to make the game a bit more challenging again: you're harmless. You can't attack or throw stuff more than a tile away

[grizzled flame]

Harmless bosses --> Kinder bosses
Never hungry --> Bulking up
Faith is my armor --> Faith in my armor
Pharmabonanza --> Pharmacophilia
Barren land --> Flowering land
Monsters in-fighting --> Mob mentality
Beyond eyesight --> Into enlightenment
More upgrades --> Runic boom

[pearl girder]

Better names for sure

[cinder lichen]

Tcpd have mob infighting type challenge

Tho with a lil twist

They fight to determine the one champion

That will annihilate you on sight with his 3x flaming 5x giant 2x projecting 1x antimagic titles

[pearl girder]

I suppose they remain wounded afterwards

[cinder lichen]

Full heal and champion title to the winner

[pearl girder]

Nah, unfair reality, return to monke

[cinder lichen]

And he gets all champion titles of a loser

[pearl girder]

Immersion breaking

[cinder lichen]

Nah, unfair is when they start getting elite champion titles

U really don't wanna see swarming citadel champion

[pearl girder]

They fight and shall have the aftermath from fighting

[cinder lichen]

And if you enable Ascension, u will also get gods wandering around after those fights

[pearl girder]

So enemies can get healing and powers from defeating enemies... but we, the superior being in the dungeon, cannot 👀

[cinder lichen]

Ur superior being?

laughs in tcpd

[pearl girder]

Isn't that the one where it's a misplay to not click rat king class?

You're the rat king, clearly you are superior.

[cinder lichen]

There is no rat king class in tcpd

[pearl girder]

Well, you are still friend to the rat king

[cinder lichen]

It's only cuz I haven't added his boss form as a challenge yet

[pearl girder]

[tall matrix]

Assassin citadel group

[cinder lichen]

I was thinking about him using ratmogrify at u, and u have to fight against him mentally or u will end up transformed into rat

[tall matrix]

You enter a room

You suddenly take a hit that deals half of your health

Then multiple enemies spawn

[cinder lichen]

Iirc citadels have x0 atk

[strong quartz]

It's also one of the main reasons All Chal in TCPD is literally impossible

Turn 2 you either die painfully, get obliterated, or live a whole nother turn, there is no winning to be had here.

[verbal topaz]

Wait

Terrible idea: lose your duolingo streak

[teal moss]

What? How is that even relevant to pd? So random smh

[tardy ingot]

have you ever heard about duolingo PD

[cinder lichen]

The reason allchal is impossible is cuz Racing the Daeath + Exhibitionist + AI

U spawn surrounded by 8 enemies

If u don't kill at least one of them in 3 turns, you die to the shadow

But I also have to take attacks from 8 enemies at once

[wintry tendon]

Make goo more goo

[verbal topaz]

What did exhibitionist and AI do?

[cinder lichen]

Enemies will fill all empty tiles even in starting room

[granite sundial]

No

[shy mica]

AI makes it so that there is an enemy in every available tile

[verbal topaz]

Oh....

But like for some reason I always start in prison

On all chall

[shy mica]

bonus chall

it yeets you in prison

i think its Warm Welcome

or smth

[cinder lichen]

Cuz Headstart

Oh

Also

[verbal topaz]

Ooh ok

[cinder lichen]

Headstart + warm welcome

U start on tengu bossfight

[verbal topaz]

I know

It is impossible

Wait what if you dodge every attack

[cinder lichen]

Both of those chals are fine bey themselves

But no way I can balance them together

[verbal topaz]

I mean

I cant beat tengu wihout anything

[cinder lichen]

U can't

There is no grass to get seeds

U don't deal enough damage to pierce his armor

And u have too low accuracy to actually hit him

And he hits like a truck

[granite sundial]

No

[azure garnet]

what no

just to be contrarian?

[granite sundial]

Free

[azure garnet]

paid

[cinder lichen]

F2p

[wintry tendon]

144p

[shy mica]

4k UHD

[wintry tendon]

Challenge: Naked strength -
your Armor is deactivated during boss fights

[shy mica]

have you heard of FIMA

[wintry tendon]

No

[shy mica]

ah that explains

you should try it out

its a good challenge

[wintry tendon]

And bosses gain whatever Armor benefits you would have had (before challenge modifiers)

[shy mica]

yog with +23 plate

[wintry tendon]

Yes

[shy mica]

you need to deal 23 damage or more to actually damage it

wait

thorns

[wintry tendon]

Add this to the game

[shy mica]

daamn he buff

[knotty crow]

smash

what was the question again?

[shy mica]

the man

you

i hope you are talkin about the man

[knotty crow]

Yes of course the man

[granite sundial]

Hero name: hog rider

The hero cannot unequip the armor he have (the armor have 0-1 blocking but give you 20% evasion)

Start with 12 str, the hog rider can spawn a hog that he can ride, they have 2-10 damage, scaling with exp and str

The hog rider have a 2 small hammer weapon with 1-12 damage

When the hog is attacking enemy, the enemy will got knockbacked for 4 tiles, the hog have 2x speed

You can also dissemble 2-3 Armor to make the hog armor

[shy mica]

you can insert wards and sentries in your eyes to see better

[granite sundial]

And do deathgaze

[verbal topaz]

That I'd exactly what i said:/

[shy mica]

and npc

[unique holly]

Terrible idea: you can dismember dm 100 dm 200 dm 201 and dm 300 for metal and pay troll smith 100 dark gold for him to make you awesome weapon and armor from it

Oh and make him drink a potion of mastery so they are extra good

[wintry tendon]

Add Joker class (he lives in a society)

[tardy ingot]

maxibob class???!!

[marble tundra]

Sleeping by holding the wait button cannot be interrupted even if the hero is damaged.

Touching tall grass, trampled grass, or plants will reduce debuff effects, except Burning, for 1 turn.

Beer: Grants the following status effects in order, which can only be halved once by cleansing effects, except the well.
Effects that apply in all phases:

Damage is significantly increased for 75 turns.
Greatly reduces accuracy and attack speed for 100 turns.
Phase 1: Drunk (20 turns)
Vertigoes and blinds.
Phase 2: Knocked Out (30 turns)
Sleeps. If interrupted, Hangover damage and satiety rate reduction is increased.
Phase 3: Hangover (50 turns)
Reduces satiety rate.
Damages every 15 turns.

[wintry tendon]

Enemy item?

[strong quartz]

Dwarf Warlocks now reduce the upgrade level of all your stuff by 1 per hit with magic, this can go to the negatives

[pearl girder]

Try to balance it so it doesn't just sound outlandish and can actually make people imagine it

Like,
[Dwarf warlock effect Rework]
It now stacks: at two stacks it has twice the effect, and at 3 it degrades your highest level equipped item by one level and you are no longer debuffed.

[tardy ingot]

implement vanilla's degradation to shattered

shatteredable shattered pixel dungeon

[maiden lily]

Magical items don't work since MAGIC DOESNT EXIST111!!1!1!1

[tardy ingot]

among us pixel dungeon

suspicious looking water now looks even susier

[maiden lily]

Rat sprites are changed to

[tardy ingot]

alarm traps now make the emergency meeting sound effect

assassin makes the kill sound effect when assassinating

[wintry tendon]

And explosive barrels to the game

[tardy ingot]

there are in #💿remixed

[wintry tendon]

Companion which carries our backpack for us

[verbal topaz]

who deleted my perfect idea >: (

[shy mica]

i did

[wintry tendon]

Add reverb and lofi music

[shy mica]

this plays when outside the throne room

[earnest moat]

Dirty dungeon :
Every floor after floor 5, Goos spawn every floor
Starts at 2 goos/floor, increases by 1 for every 3 floors you go down

[teal moss]

Did I hear this somewhere before? It sounds like it's from a video game...

[feral fractal]

mod of spd where the only available weapons are all different types of runic blades made in the other forum post

[sharp parcel]

Caustic mimics that are immune to toxic gas and live in the toxic vent rooms

[dusk sky]

toxic mimics that call you a noob

[tardy ingot]

add more pet like this in the demon hall

[wintry tendon]

Add a reminder to the game that corellates with real life so that it gives you midgame stress attacks

[granite sundial]

Oh what the hell ifritdiezel

[sharp parcel]

Strapping bombs to yourself for multiplied bomb damage at the risk of permanently maiming or killing your character

[granite sundial]

To sad ghost*

Tengu now drop armor ability from armor he have

Dk now drop subclass from crown he have

[knotty crow]

taking damage of any source reduces your max hp

[cinder lichen]

Everything you say here may be used against you in TCPD

(plz pin)

[knotty crow]

so true

[granite sundial]

Why

[dusk sky]

amusing

[granite sundial]

Yeah but why

[cinder lichen]

Cuz I pick ideas from here for TCPD

[granite sundial]

Cruel

[knotty crow]

indeed

[dusk sky]

TCPD or "too cruel pixel dungeon" is a PD mod adding challenges many of which are terribly unfair. "everything you say can and will be used against you" is a phrase originating from law and court process. this thread is for people to share terrible ideas for pixel dungeon so the developer of TCPD modifying and using the aforementioned phrase to suggest that those terrible ideas will be used to make challenges for the players is amusing

do you also want a chart or perhaps a helpful spreadsheet to better understand?

[worthy crag]

Too Cruel

well...
remove all healing effects (passive regen too) and kepp only heal pots

[grizzled flame]

Could you make a 10 page long dissertation explaiing and elaborating on the concept?

[grizzled flame]

Intoxicati9n exists and is worss than this iirc

[dusk sky]

depends on how much you pay

[grizzled flame]

10 buvks

[dusk sky]

1.5 pages at best

[worthy crag]

-potions intoxicates you

• remove all ways of healing except potions

• the same thing *

[grizzled flame]

100

[grizzled flame]

Intoxicati9n builds up a debuff everytime u drink any potion iirc

Decays slowly

Its effects are t e r r o b l e

Ask in tcpd vhat tho i dont remember all the dets bout it

[worthy crag]

all TCPD effects are terrible and i propose one more terrible effect

[teal moss]

Why did you even bother lol. He may go "ew, wall of text" and ignore it

[tardy ingot]

its funny

idea: replace the enemies and npcs in the game with the discord emojis

[wintry tendon]

Mushroom mode: all plants are now mushrooms

[worthy crag]

PVZ mushrooms lol

just place 5 wardens and 5 snipers and nobody will cross, at wave 2 add gladiators and assassins at end of lines

[tardy ingot]

doomshroom 💥

[worthy crag]

(AOE grim trap)

you have 1 turn to run away

[tardy ingot]

scaredy shroom

[worthy crag]

(add on a beat chal)

please make juh dont notice it

im some kind of beta tester and i will suffer

[ebon ingot]

Wand of toxic gas: corrosion but worse

[shy mica]

wand of wand

fires wand

[dusk sky]

noita moment

https://noita.fandom.com/wiki/Summon_Taikasauva

[tardy ingot]

literally just a wand

[pearl girder]

What does zapping it do?

[tardy ingot]

[maiden lily]

It does wand things

[pearl girder]

Specify further

[maiden lily]

It zaps tiny wands that attack enemies

[pearl girder]

Damage dealt and scaling?

[tardy ingot]

are you serious Mario

[maiden lily]

Um

Idk

[tall matrix]

intoxitation on hit makes you unable to drink in combat

[granite sundial]

Add toilet in dungeon

[wintry tendon]

Add global chat to daily runs

[red oak]

Dark souls?

[pastel pagoda]

1. Deathgaze now pierce through all walls within a 6-tile radius
2. Evil eyes always have mind vision on you, but you also always have mind vision on them

Transfusion wands are always cursed and cannot be un-cursed

[strong quartz]

Wand of Chaos: Always cursed and only activates uncommon or rarer cursed wand effects.

[neon spindle]

Add bed in pd

[pastel pagoda]

crash effect with this wand increased to 5% instead of 1%

[strong quartz]

Nah, that's just all very rare effects

Uncommon has a 70% chance, Rare has a 25% chance, and Very Rare has a 5% chance.

[pastel pagoda]

ic ic

i always thought it was 1% lol

[strong quartz]

Nope, it's actually 0.25% normally

[pastel pagoda]

huh aight

[strong quartz]

Since you could instead get the Fire, Mimic, or Transmute effect instead of that if you do get a Very Rare

[pastel pagoda]

on second thought i think something like that already existed

wild majik

[red oak]

New terrible idea in THPD: Night/Day system. If you are not lighted, enemies only take 1 damage except hakkero attacks. A torch is provided for each floor from now on.

Currently planned for 1000 turns for rotating day/night

[strong quartz]

So S4/5 nighttime but even worse, got it

[pastel pagoda]

what's hakkero

[red oak]

A rename of wand.

[strong quartz]

Limited to a normal Torch duration and for usually around double the time it lasts in that series

I'm actually playing S5 right now btw

One upside at least, you won't get killed in one hit because of a limit broken monster from outside your FoV

[wintry tendon]

Add the one piece

[granite sundial]

Real?

[neon spindle]

Idea: dungeon have weather- when raining there is chance of lightning

[dusk sky]

cvpd was supposed to have a "steam" floor modifier that would make water randomly condensate and steam randomly burst from the floor out of steam vents

[verbal topaz]

Pov: you got hit by a deathgaze

What if you start in floor 26 and you may ascend to win

To make things possible, you start with 20 strength

@cinder lichen

[cinder lichen]

If you want to suggest something and for me to see it then post in #🏆too-cruel instead of pinging me here

I check this channelf or ideas occasionally

[verbal topaz]

Ok

[barren wren]

They did it in SpSPD

[red oak]

And let the bed explodes in demon halls
minecraft

[ebon ingot]

It wands.

[wintry tendon]

Add save states

So that you can redo floors

In higher challenges

[red oak]

Touhou genso wanderer: LLR provides redo system

Also the name is forgot but a pixel dungeon mod also provides saves

[verbal topaz]

yes i remember

its in the play store

[wintry tendon]

Add lootboxes to the game

And in-game currency

And skins

Watch ads to get care packages

[tall matrix]

2 of these already exists in a game

Maybe the fourth also on remixed

[granite sundial]

Yeah

Most p2w mod

[red oak]

Most? Add beginners only package, anniversary sale package, kirakira set, happy box... etc ways to reach the most terrible p2w game

[worthy crag]

p2w in single player games are stupid, p2w in online is imbalance

[azure garnet]

you are in terrible ideas thread

[granite sundial]

What are you talking about

[red oak]

bang dream girls band party

[granite sundial]

Which one

[red oak]

Just a joke for suitable terrible thread. That mobile game sells terrible things. Yeah all of them.

Throwing any potion to an enemy inflicts bleeding because of its glass shards. The amount of bleeding is (current strength-10)

[verbal topaz]

You can roll upgrade with spellbook

[dusk sky]

rattle pass

rats

[stone marsh]

rattle bass

[worthy crag]

pattle rass

[knotty crow]

rassle patt

[tardy ingot]

hi

add a 🚎 class

[teal moss]

Could be a funni warrior ability
"It's bus-ramming time!"
Then he rams through a whole line of enemies and kills all of them

[tardy ingot]

lmfao

[gritty nova]

Baddest Bosses

Goo:
-All tall grass is removed
-Goo's pump up attack range is increased by 1 tile, and deals significantly more damage (will likely one-shot you)
-A caustic slime spawns when Goo becomes enraged

Tengu:
-Every 5 turns, Tengu will attempt to throw a super shuriken, which ignites the player and deals massively increased damage, but will stop attacking for 3 turns if it misses
-Poison dart traps are now replaced with disintegration traps
-Tengu will now throw air strikes at the player (bombs in a row detonating one after the other)
-Upon death, Tengu will release a 7x7 nuke at his location which detonates in 3 turns

DM300:
-DM300 will now launch corrosive gas instead of toxic gas
-DM300 can now use rock fall traps in melee range
-DM300 moves at 3x speed when supercharged
-When DM300 breaks terrain, a rock fall will occur

Dwarf King:
-Life link is removed
-More waves of summons in phase 2
Wave 4: 4 Dwarf Ghouls, 4 Dwarf Monks (increased to 6 dwarf monks in BB)
Wave 5: 3 Golems, all of which are different champions (increased to 6 golems in BB)
-Dwarf King's deferred damage will not go above 50

Yog-Dweza:
-Health is increased to 1500
-Waves of fists happen at 1200/900/600/300 health
-4 new fists are introduced

Frost Fist
Has an aura of 2 tiles that chills the player for 5 turns
Can launch a frost bolt that will chill the player for 10 turns
Melee attacks have a 50% chance to freeze the player for 2 turns if they are in water

Lightning Fist
Moves twice as fast
Attacks twice as fast, but deals 66% damage, have a shocking enchantment which deals damage within 3 tiles

Cursed Fist
Attacks 3x as fast
All attacks are replaced with cursed wand effects

Holy Fist
Always spawns as a Champion
Every 8 times it takes damage, it will spawn a random enemy from demon halls

-Cursed and Holy Fists always spawn at the 300HP phase, and Yog will start its "final" phase, but increased enemy spawn rate will only occur when both fists die.

[tardy ingot]

what if goo's pump up could roll grim on us 💀

[gritty nova]

better idea

goo becomes a cursed being

each attack has an 100% of applying a random enchantment

[plain hemlock]

Gold mimmic will eat your gold key (if you have 1 in your inventory) if you fail to identify them, making it nolonger possible to unlock the other gold chest on the same level.

[tardy ingot]

will try to steal your potions and then he will jump in a chasm

killing himself and breaking your potions

sounds funny doesnt it

!!!!

[wintry tendon]

Add a mod workshop

For skins and sprites and such

Improve "modding community"

PD map maker for android™

[tardy ingot]

like in terraria?

[wintry tendon]

Maybe

[neon spindle]

Tengu's skuriken can ignite the hero on fire

[tardy ingot]

[neon spindle]

How is yog's eye not hurt

👄

[tardy ingot]

yog drank a potion of haste

[strong quartz]

It's like Atma Weapon from FF6: "I do not bleed, for I am strength given form."

And of course the eye is only an aspect of Yog's power

[tardy ingot]

make it so this talent procs in every surprise attacks

[runic granite]

Tried that, it was boring af

Also rogue was totally busted

[tardy ingot]

it's terrible because it would be over powered

if t1 talents were stronger when metamorphosed, that would be cool and maybe worth the transmutation scroll

[strong quartz]

Make thieves able to steal your backpack

[pastel pagoda]

they can also use whatever they stole
ie: potion of healing, ankh, scroll of terror/retribution...

[strong quartz]

(I mean Terror doesn't actually do anything to the Hero)

[pastel pagoda]

hmmmm

[strong quartz]

Imagine if they could use the old metamorphosis scroll on you

Now you're a sheep.

[pastel pagoda]

use an enchantment stone to become a random champion

[strong quartz]

Add S1 Skull Wraiths to halls

"Now you're a random monster."

[pastel pagoda]

imagine ur ascending

and a thief steals a grim reclaim trap

[strong quartz]

The Hero fell to level 25!
You've been Sealed!
Your movement slowed!

[pastel pagoda]

and use it on you

shttiest way to die

ever

[red oak]

Add ring of polymorph and ring of polymorph control from nethack

[strong quartz]

Monster Meat

Now you can become a Necromancer and summon your own skeletons

Or bully things at range as a Shaman

[pastel pagoda]

or roleplay the dwarf vs demons war as dwarf king

[strong quartz]

Become effectively immortal as a Bat

Basically equip Summoning's Jjango as an Albino Rat

[wintry tendon]

Add a talent that gets permanent upgrades after you kill certain amounts of enemies

[neon spindle]

Idea: make thieves be able to steal your weapon and armor

[red oak]

1. Steal your grim weapon.
2. Now I will kill you
3. ?

[red oak]

or knocks away back your eq. weapon or your eq. amror if knocked away item is hit by another enemy, that equipment is vanished that enemy equips the equipment instead.

[sharp parcel]

Jumping into the pit on floor 26 leads to a singular staircase tile and a pedestal w/ a special torch on it. Picking up torch item grants 5x5 "dim illumination" around the player, which they need to descend the next 3 floors (which consist of long, winding pathways of spine). Visibility down there is normally a 1x1 around the player unless they have the special torch. Reaching the bottom of these 3 levels presents another pedestal on which the special torch must be dropped to open up a locked boss door. Entering will spawn an immobile flesh prison, which has yog's lasers along with stationary minions that act like transfusion zaps if they aren't killed in time (shields). Killing flesh prison will give access to the floor below, where funny prime guy kicks the shit out of you until you eventually die (he's stupid hard).

[shy mica]

adding a boss from an action game into a turn based roguelike

pinos would be a cool boss

[worthy crag]

crystal mimic too

[neon spindle]

Yep

[jolly valley]

Shattered pixel dungeon, but 3D

[wintry tendon]

pixel dungeon battle royale

[neon spindle]

Looks kinda epic ngl

[wintry tendon]

Pixel dungeon 1D when

[shy mica]

5d with time travel

[tardy ingot]

0D

[neon spindle]

-1 D

[spiral thicket]

give runic sword more chances to trigger enchaments and allowing to upgrade without risking losing enchaments on it

[tardy ingot]

nerf runic blade

and buff flail !!!!

[pearl girder]

Honestly, runic's description op
Makes people dump it early
Tricks them into dumping a scam
They may win more, but any enjoyment from the dumped thing is a lie

[teal moss]

"give runic sword more chances to trigger enchaments"
yknow I've seen 3 people suggest that in https://discord.com/channels/296399356196552705/1013878318526910494
(I can't ping the channel cos Discord won't let me)

[tardy ingot]

it just gets 1 more max damage with upgrades

awesome scaling !! !!!!!

[pearl girder]

Runic's poor damage and scaling is carried by the description making people use their SoU instead of dieing refusing to dump anything

[runic granite]

a literal proof that placebos exist

[tardy ingot]

dieyng* smh my head

[tardy ingot]

whats a placebos

there is a potion named like that in #⛪chancel pd

[pearl girder]

It's like if you're starving to death irl and don't want to buy anything unless it's on a discount
You see this huge package of 10 cereal boxes and assume it's more cost-effective than 10 cereal boxes... it's not, but you haven't bothered to check. You survive, but you could have boughten 11 individual cereal boxes...

[tall matrix]

When you believe so hard in something that isnt a truth so hard that it works

[tardy ingot]

idea add cereal to the game

[tall matrix]

Ussually placebos are used im lab testing

[tardy ingot]

and milk

[tardy ingot]

ok thanks you Math

meth i mean sorry

[pearl girder]

myth

[tall matrix]

And im these cases it's basically a empty pill

[pearl girder]

Most placebos aren't pills

We probably go through hundreds of non-pill placebos a day

[teal moss]

Re... rel... AHHH damn it no, I need to resist the urge

[tardy ingot]

rel?

[teal moss]

nothing

[pearl girder]

Placing the mouse back to a certain spot after moving it isn't "better", it's actually a waste of a fraction of a second just to have the commodity of less chances of slightly bumping it while typing. Wouldn't even change a letter from your sentence if you did in this "worst case scenario of not moving the mouse" for anyone who has that habit

[tardy ingot]

!! ok

goodnight everyone bye !!!

[pearl girder]

Bye bye!

[maiden lily]

Goodnight

[tardy ingot]

!!! bye everybone

[teal moss]

Every bone in my body is wishing you a goodnight too

[tardy ingot]

thanks

[neon spindle]

Why are there 5 upvotes lol

[jolly valley]

WOW

[wintry tendon]

Add Jeff bezos

[wintry tendon]

Add radiation poisoning

[verbal topaz]

amongus

[neon spindle]

3.5k message...

[verbal topaz]

exactly

[languid drum]

A story mode

[wintry tendon]

Mode where you buy everything

Including starting items

[verbal topaz]

america based pd

[wintry tendon]

Society pd

[tawny pawn]

nah thats the primal age

we need modern age

[cinder lichen]

TCPD blackjack

[wintry tendon]

There is actually no limitations to add a spirit gun

No need bullets

Just pew pew

[tardy ingot]

LMFAO

[sharp parcel]

If I had an m&m and told you it was a pill that would cure a headache, and you took it, then felt your headache go away, that's placebo

[livid summit]

Microtransactions.

[tawny pawn]

already in the game. doesnt give a competetive advantege

[jolly valley]

Add the jouch as an enemy

[wintry tendon]

Remove developers and only players remain

[tardy ingot]

add this rat to the game
its a rare variant of the albino rat, called marsupial ray

[wintry tendon]

Add ores which can be mined

And pickaxes

Also add crimson and corruption

Maybe even a final moon themed boss

[pearl girder]

The ideas aren't terrible enough

[tardy ingot]

this is moonlord from terraria

[shy mica]

[tardy ingot]

OMELETTE OF YENDOR

🧀

[dusk sky]

that's cheese

[shy mica]

cheese omelette

omelette du fromage

[dusk sky]

omelette du grenouille

[shy mica]

frogmelette

sounds tasty

i never actually had frog legs

does that mean im not a true frenchman

[dusk sky]

i assume you were born with human legs

[shy mica]

you were?????

wait have i been living wrong my whole life

[tardy ingot]

no its dark gold(real)

[tardy ingot]

mageroyal ?!?? .

[shy mica]

mageroyal is cheese confirmed

what would gnolls eat

what if secret rooms could only befound with bombs

[ebon ingot]

Zelda style

[tardy ingot]

evan can u add a cheese three pls

🌲🧀

[tardy ingot]

human s

🍽️

[shy mica]

other gnolls

bats

el

dwarves

[tardy ingot]

what did you just say

[shy mica]

: 🍽️

[pearl girder]

From #casual,
Add player intense light flashbang effect on arcana ring dumped dazzling weapon hit (scaling with ring level)
Edit: on first proc, add an option to disable it and warning

[verbal topaz]

Yes

[shy mica]

psionic blast makes you mad for a while

passage gives vertigo

:notYAPD:

[pearl girder]

Challenge that adds negative status effects depending on consumable used

[dusk sky]

psionic blast plays baby shark and nyan cat at the same time for 20 seconds

[shy mica]

nyan cat is decent

also you canjust mute volume

scroll of rage makes you amok for 5 turns

[dusk sky]

where's the fun in that

[shy mica]

you are forced to attack

[verbal topaz]

That kills in real life

[shy mica]

if you cant attack you wait

[tardy ingot]

add potions of weakness as fake potions of strength

[shy mica]

scroll of upgrade gives you degraded for 5 turns

[tardy ingot]

they would give you 2 strwngth points

[pearl girder]

2 uwustrength points

[dusk sky]

and if you eat a golden apple after a potion of weakness you turn into a villager

[tardy ingot]

what

[shy mica]

scroll of lullaby makes you fall on the ground if you sleep while moving

[verbal topaz]

Pov:you try tohou pd

[shy mica]

scroll of terror works on you

scroll of transmutation also

[tardy ingot]

why does that sound familiar !!?!?!?!

[pearl girder]

oof

[verbal topaz]

Cuz minecraft

[shy mica]

gee thanks for explaining the joke

[pearl girder]

Where does the emoji come from?

Why is it called ech?

[shy mica]

echcat

[pearl girder]

Is there some Echehard around here?

[verbal topaz]

Like the well of transmutation in vanilla

[tardy ingot]

explains everything !!

[verbal topaz]

And this remembers me of more onlineworms art

[shy mica]

whos gonna become ehard

[dusk sky]

boby suggested it at an emoji vote as a joke and it was like in top 3 most voted emoji

[shy mica]

the power of mems

[verbal topaz]

Aaaaaaaand now it's a trend

[pearl girder]

Am here

:Ech:ehard

ehard

Oh, needs lower case to work

[tardy ingot]

tierraria cat (MOD)

[azure garnet]

yes

this is meme cat from terraria mods community

[shy mica]

hear me out
what if your phone got bricked if you touch grass

you will become a true gamer

[azure garnet]

I thought than popularizing it here wouldn't really work

but when I pinged everyone to vote for cat

they voted

[pearl girder]

Forget the second floor, am permenently on floor 3+ of buildings now

[dusk sky]

make pixel dungeon require root access

[verbal topaz]

O no

[tardy ingot]

i like the cat because youare cool ! !!

[dusk sky]

on desktop too

[azure garnet]

and then I lost @here privileges for an year and half or something

[verbal topaz]

Make PixelDungeon available on ps5

[dusk sky]

that would accomplish nothing except open it to quite a few vulnerabilities

[verbal topaz]

Beuh you just used it now

[pearl girder]

Squiggle going to turn in to sap asap... by having plant roots absorb you

[verbal topaz]

Make pixel dungeon multiplayer

[shy mica]

no

[azure garnet]

I asked Evan to restore them

[shy mica]

imagine paralysis

[verbal topaz]

We are in terrible ideas

[shy mica]

its too terrible

[verbal topaz]

And that is a terrible idea

[dusk sky]

make paralysis permanent

[pearl girder]

Better terrible idea:
Allow pvp intruders to come attack you in your instance of the dungeon when you are connected to the internet

Less bad idea: let them control an enemy 😂

[tardy ingot]

the stone works actually

[dusk sky]

the only thing you fear is you

[pearl girder]

How do you flee yourself?

[verbal topaz]

What If evil eyes are the eyes from wyyncraft

[pearl girder]

Where do you run?

[verbal topaz]

Just suicide

👍

Like in real life

[pearl girder]

I assume you're experienced

[dusk sky]

...now that's actually too terrible

[verbal topaz]

Yep👍

[pearl girder]

Do they fear seeing themselves? What about just a reflection

[teal moss]

Autophobes when they look at the mirror:

[pearl girder]

[dusk sky]

i'm summoning

[pearl girder]

Summon him, he's a ghost

[verbal topaz]

I'm rkpd2

[tardy ingot]

why would Evan add sucha thing to the game 😿 🥹

i am the PIXEL DUNGEON

#0176

[shy mica]

that one eye?

[verbal topaz]

Yes

I mean

That looks like yog

But there Is an enemy

In twain lake

[shy mica]

the big one that shoots the megalazors at you

[verbal topaz]

That is called evil eye

[shy mica]

oh sonot that one eye

[verbal topaz]

Yes

I know both

One Is yog

[shy mica]

i was talking abt the big guy

[tardy ingot]

@pearl girder what did you mean

i confusion

[pearl girder]

176 pixel dungeons before you

Probably all the game variants

[tardy ingot]

ut

but whar are these reations

[pearl girder]

mindless

I like making them

Rip, they invaded my most frequent emojis now...

Starting at the bottom of the list

[tardy ingot]

[verbal topaz]

Amoghus

[pearl girder]

Imposter letter

Terrible idea: Add imposter

[verbal topaz]

It's already here

Btw guys

[knotty crow]

Add among us gamemode

[pearl girder]

It runs around the sewers minding its business. It's venting.

[verbal topaz]

I actually do have a .jar file

With all the memes

On the sprires

[knotty crow]

gime

[verbal topaz]

Sprites

For example the ghost is

[shy mica]

how to get a virus 101

[verbal topaz]

Can't rn I'm not home

[pearl girder]

Ask for file who is assassin out of enjoyment

[pearl girder]

||preparing da virus||

[knotty crow]

fair

[ebon ingot]

No idea lol. Any autophobes here?

[verbal topaz]

Bruh

I cant even code

I have a major skill issue

[pearl girder]

Script kiddies don't know coding either

[shy mica]

thats what a malware developer would say

[pearl girder]

They go to google "Download virus" and download so they can later send their petty enemies they "hate" 👍

[verbal topaz]

Proof I am touching grass

[knotty crow]

imagine lel (I have not touched grass for the past two months)

[tardy ingot]

your hand is big

[shy mica]

i live in the middle of a city :death:

i dont have the grass to touch

[tardy ingot]

holy shit is that the new flesh fist of yog

👍

yog||urt|| pizzewa 🍕

[shy mica]

flesh fist

[pearl girder]

Touch your local spider

Grass is 1% spiders anyways

[shy mica]

just fucking punches you

my house isnt old enough to warrant spiders

theres pigeons tho so maybe that counts?

[pearl girder]

Only their doodoo

[tardy ingot]

[shy mica]

i know how dirt pigeon plumes are theres no way in hell im touching bird shit

[oblique sundial]

Bring thr old flashbang as an option pls

[dusk sky]

make BB tengu throw the wicked brew at you

[shy mica]

wicked traps

😳

[sharp parcel]

Psonic blast scroll blows out your speakers, and if you're wearing headphones/earbuds it ruptures your ear drums

[pearl girder]

[blast away thin clothing effect] No reimbursements for damage caused offered*

[unique holly]

Make cursed wands do random things from this page

And also

Trap of flaming:

When stepped on activates rtx on and 3d which burns your device

And flames you irl

Another bad idea

Wand of cursed

Ok nvm

Imma not post this one

I feel like I might get in trouble with mods

[strong quartz]

Radiant Enchantments and Glyphs: special enchants that replace a Curse after defeating 256 enemies with a cursed weapon or armor on. Other equips will simply be cleansed instead. The effects are generally the opposite of their curse, helping out the Hero. They cannot be transferred using the Warrior's Seal.
Sharpness: Has a 10% (+5% per level) chance per hit to inflict Bleeding equal to half of dealt damage. Derived from Sacrifical.
Marking: Has +50% (+10% per level) increased Accuracy for 10 turns after missing an enemy. Derived from Wayward.
Dispersing: Deals any overkill damage dealt to an enemy to another enemy nearby. Sleeping enemies will not be woken up by this damage. Derived from Displacing.
Distracting: 10% (+5% per level) chance to inflict a debuff that halves their accuracy for their next attack. Funny lines are also played. Derived from Annoying.
Augmented: Grants the positive effects of both augmentation types. Overrides any current augment. Derived from Polarizing.
Charming: 10% (+5% per level) chance to Charm the enemy for 5 turns. Derived from Friendly.
Blinding: 10% (+5% per level) chance to blind the target and all nearby enemies for 10 turns. Derived from Dazzling.
Smoking: Every 5 hits, cause a bomb explosion on the target. This doesn't damage you. Derived from Explosive.

Freezing: 10% (+5% per level) to Freeze the attacker for 5 turns. Derived from Anti-Entropy.
Acid: 10% chance (+5% per level) to inflict Ooze to the attacker. Derived from Corrosion.
Dodging: 5% (+2.5% per level) extra Evasion. Derived from Displacment.
Diet: Halves starvation rate. Derived from Metabolism.
Prisms: 10% chance on hit to summon a Mirror or Prismatic Image. Derived from Multiplicity.
Toxins: 10% chance (+5% per level) to inflict 10 (+1 per level) turns of Poison to the attacker. Derived from Stench.
Nature: Has a 5% (+2.5% per level) chance to activate a random good plant effect on being hit. These are affected by Warden's special effects and Barkskin, and can drop seeds if affected by a Lotus. Derived from Overgrowth.
Augmenting: Has the positive effects from both Augmentations. Removes current augment. Derived from Bulk.

[tardy ingot]

sounds cool

wait why i cant upvote your idea

[strong quartz]

How many times must we teach you this lesson, old man?!

[tardy ingot]

i aint

i am

[red oak]

It sounds ear torment spider from IWBTB

[spiral thicket]

give sniper a sniper rifle

[wintry tendon]

Add Chris Pratt

[maiden lily]

Chris Pratt to voice Rat King

Jack Black to voice Yog

[teal moss]

First time? lol. There are so many of them here

I just don't understand why some people sit there for 10-20 minutes typing a giant shitpost

[tardy ingot]

shitñost pixel dungeon

post**

[sharp parcel]

Because it's funny

Add early-game nail bombs (they work like shrapnel bombs but are weaker)

[wintry tendon]

Add molotovs

"how is it different from liquid fire?"
It burns on top of water

And also burns fire immune enemies

[verbal topaz]

Same, but I am currently am at my grandparents who are like in the middle of nowhere in sardinia

Idea: give assassin a mafia gang that goes to kill enemies

It also has drugs

[teal moss]

Rolls eyes in 360 degrees

[verbal topaz]

And lives in messico

And is the chief of mafia pd

[tawny pawn]

I am going to yoink this and put it in my game

[grizzled flame]

Idea: remove assassin

Not even a terrible idea

[tawny pawn]

nah, You can farm money with assassin

and you can basicly one-hit

[grizzled flame]

Omg i can hit after playing cookie clicker for various turns

!!!

[tawny pawn]

Wha????

[azure garnet]

don't bother

neo is one of elitists, whose ideas were implemented in Shutter

[neon spindle]

Nice

[wintry tendon]

Idea: remove freerunner

Not even a terrible idea

At least, remake wands such that rogues stop abusing it

Poor game design

1 star

[red oak]

You mean kiting? Ex. at high movement speed, spam wands so not taking any damage

[wintry tendon]

Yes

If they used thrown weapons

Ok

But wands?

Hell nah

They outclass mages even

[azure garnet]

again

[wintry tendon]

Which is stupid

[azure garnet]

Evan said than this is not important because fast movement speed requires experience to be fully taken advantage

also

who doesn't allow mages to use ring of haste?

[wintry tendon]

Well, that requires luck to find, and mages don't have an item that gives invisibility whenever they want either

There one ring of haste, there is many wands

Gameplay-wise, would anyone feel anything different if wands were nerfed for rogues anyway

Bar the rogue elitists ofc

Idea: wands are rechargeable only for mages.

For other classes, you need arcane resin

[azure garnet]

there is no case in Shattered for equipment being arbitrarily weakened

[azure garnet]

you are kind of late, I already added that into shutter at help from NeoSlav

[wintry tendon]

Huh who woulda thought

[red oak]

So you totally don't like infinite rechargeable system in SPD right?

[azure garnet]

although in my version wands only recharge from scrolls and stones of recharge

[azure garnet]

it is debatable

[wintry tendon]

Not really, i just think a single class having the highest skill ceiling (and payoff) for a type of weapon is stupid

Not to mention

Warrior exists

Now, casuals don't care because they don't play 6 chal and higher

And it don't really matter beyond that

It's just a feeling that I have anyways

A personal opinion

[azure garnet]

technically rogue doesn't have empowering scrolls, shield battery, warlock in general, recharge from any kind of shit

[red oak]

SPD is probably attracting casual-love players such as inf. recharge wand build, as an example.

But your opinion is also valid.

[azure garnet]

even YAPD doesn't limit wand charges

[wintry tendon]

I guess I'm just upset that warrior doesn't have "no hit" gimmicks in higher challenges because almost all their speciality relies on tanking hits and doing melee attacks

And wands are so ubiquitous

And why use wand warrior when you can use wand rogue

[azure garnet]

how is that a problem

[wintry tendon]

I'm just venting in #1016751363570548789 there is no deeper meaning

[red oak]

Actually, all debatable opinions go here.

[wintry tendon]

Maybe when "Faith is my wand charges" is a thing then I'd be pleased

"Faith is my movement speed"

Hell, darkness is supposed to be the challenge that severely limits huntress but even then they get torches

Warrior just doesn't get anything in all chal

No challenge that limits wand charge or movement speed so rogues and mages kind of still have their gimmicks

[red oak]

What about this, you should kill enemies via a melee weapon(missile weapons are forbidden) to recharge wands, instead of naturally recharge.

[wintry tendon]

Ehh wands are fine actually. It's just a combination of things that make them too reliable over other weapons in killing potential (and from a safe distance)

Armor + melee is perfectly fine for a no challenge run for example

[azure garnet]

but should he?

[wintry tendon]

Yes

[red oak]

btw then you also don't like the games that have mp? (dcss, nethack) for dcss, you fully rest on a safe location, and spam magics. This is what you don't like perfectly.

For non-mp roguelike, play shiren.

[wintry tendon]

I don't dislike those at all. I'm speaking from a shpd challenge point of view, that it feels unbalanced.

I enjoy tower defense and stuff

Ofc its fun to spam

If somehow all 4 classes are equally favourable in the perfect conditions for 9 challenges, that's what I would want, if it is at all possible

[azure garnet]

here is my take

I understand than not all classes are created equal

and we shouldn't demand for the opposite to happen

[wintry tendon]

So that means.. buff warrior?

[azure garnet]

warrior is clearly intended as tutorial class

it has easy to understand concepts and simple yet effective skills

such as healing on eating, identifying equipment, dealing with several enemies at once

[wintry tendon]

Now like some people have said, if berserker was actually a class that thrives without Armor, and generically does more damage as he is more near to death (and all other berserker tropes) maybe he might be more viable. As it is, it's all Armor play

Idk that sounds like too much work for a dev

[red oak]

For armor play, actually in this game, no variety of armors. I think adding more armors in SPD would be fun.

[azure garnet]

berserker is a terrible consequence of player's feedback

[red oak]

Berserker?

They say all, berserker is the weakest subclass.

[azure garnet]

ever since initial warrior rework, his perk of dealing more damage with more hurt was proven to be very powerful yet very easy to take advantage off

[grizzled flame]

yes pls remove him as well

[wintry tendon]

1 hp gaming

[grizzled flame]

that is more so me wanting to tbe a typical zerker than me genuinely having issues with warrior's design, at least on my part

warrior's design is fine bro

its a tutorial, beginner class

it deosnt need crazy things that let him no-hit the entire dungeon

nor does he need to have crazy potential for high chal

bcuz thats just not what the class is meant to be

[wintry tendon]

That doesn't mean it has to remain that way

[grizzled flame]

[grizzled flame]

doesnt mean it should change either

[wintry tendon]

Subclasses are supposed to introduce an element of complexity after all

[grizzled flame]

it should stay this way ngl

[grizzled flame]

the subs of a tutorial class would still be tutorial subs

and u already got complexity from em

zerker is the much easier to grasp sub

glad is the more complex one u move to once u are comfortable with the game

[azure garnet]

for 9 months (August 2017 - May 2018) Berserker was nerfed with each update to bring his power down

[wintry tendon]

Nah that's a dumb philosophy

[grizzled flame]

u then move on to the other heroes with different skill ceilings

[wintry tendon]

Gotta take away trainer wheels at later stages

[grizzled flame]

its the philosophy shattered's got so far so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

trainer wheels

wut

what trainer wheels

[wintry tendon]

And who says it can't change

[grizzled flame]

bro what

warrior is a class to learn the game with

[azure garnet]

then Evan just gave up and embraced the phenomenon of people dumping armor on Berserker

[grizzled flame]

theres no reason for it to be hyper buffed to be super good for high chal

if u want the trainer wheels taken away, u go glad

lol

or move to another class

or start messing around with more complicated build ideas siuch as tenacity bloodhorn for glad or zerker

warrior doesnt need to be buffed the way u think he does lol

his design is perfectly fine

filling his own niche quite well

[wintry tendon]

We start with notes and guides on top of having a very basic class. This gets more complex as we learn alchemy and yadada. So naturally as the game progresses, we need to rely on more creative methods, even more so for high chal. That same idea could be applied to subclasses (especially warrior's). That's what I was trying to say

[grizzled flame]

thankfully this already happens

bcuz both subs introduce more complexity to warrior

but not extreme amoutns of it such as idk warlock (i thinkw arlock is hard to play ight leave me alone)

so

whats the issue

[wintry tendon]

Well, they still heavily rely on Armor dumping and melee combat

As you know

[grizzled flame]

it still follows the progression curve as u go further down teh dungeon by giving u more to chew on, but doesnt overwhelm newbies unliek say, being given higher movement speed or trying to make sniper work

[wintry tendon]

Is doodoo on high chal

[grizzled flame]

and the issue is?

[grizzled flame]

and?

thats

thats not an issue

the game is balanced around 0chal

lol

[red oak]

How you think about SPD's wand inf. rechargeable system?

[wintry tendon]

Doesn't mean skill ceiling could be improved (since it won't affect zero chal at all)

[grizzled flame]

perfectly fine, no real issues behind it, but i find wands boring af

and wands are more fun than most weapons

and 10 times more fun than armor

so guess how i feel bout both those systems as well

[grizzled flame]

why do u feel such a need to increase the high ceiling on him tho?

not everything has to have an enormously high skill ceiling

simpler classes have their place

plus there is a lot of wacky shti u can do with glad

[wintry tendon]

Because he's my favorite

[grizzled flame]

cue someone one shotting both rotting and rusty fists

thru a buncha farming combo

[grizzled flame]

and?

whats the issue?

teh class is well designed

glad is fun

i dont talk bout zerker

but ppl like him as well

he's got neat talents too

liek lethal momentum is imo the best designed talent currently

enraged catalyst is fucking unique as hell

improved combo and cleave are oh so fun for glad

[wintry tendon]

Well, he's limited by a single challenge. Maybe add wand charge or movement speed challenge. That way it will stop the stupid elitists

[grizzled flame]

even teh new zerker rework seems to give him a bit more to chew on for active players

[grizzled flame]

once again

whats the issue?

the game is balanced around 0chal

and u can win 9chal with warrior

by ur logic we also need to buff warden

bcuz barren land exists

(and no u dont need to buff warden she is pretty good already)

[red oak]

At 0 chal, this game reaches 99% winrates if expert.

[wintry tendon]

Yes, and adding those challenges don't affect 0chal. But it does make me happy knowing rogues and mages will suffer as well

[grizzled flame]

then those changes are built out of spite rather than a genuine desire to improve the game

i dont think this is a good philosophy to have

[wintry tendon]

Infact, removing FIMA does not affect zero chal

[wintry tendon]

Challenges are for tryharders anyway. It doesn't improve gameplay experience

It makes you uncomfortable

It's more of a test of tryhard skills

[grizzled flame]

spite spite spite

challenges are for ppl who u know

like

a challenge

these ppl exist

[wintry tendon]

And?

Removing FIMA does what to them?

Or adding movement speed challenge?

[feral fractal]

what is going on

[wintry tendon]

Why doesnt everyone play tcpd then lol

[grizzled flame]

less challenges to stack for less pain

[grizzled flame]

u do know this makes no sense with what i said right

i said chals are for ppl who like difficulty

not that EVERYONE lieks difficulty

why doesnt everyone play tcpd, bbcuz not everyone likes high difficulty

and not everyone likes the same lvl of difficulty

plenty of ppl play tcpd bcuz they enjoy how hard it is

plenty of ppl dont, and just stick to shattered high chal

[feral fractal]

tcpd is the one with 52476505794385794385743985 challenges right

[grizzled flame]

bcuz they like that level of difficulty

[wintry tendon]

It has 3 more

[grizzled flame]

and plenty of ppl dont even bother with chals, bcuz they dont enjoy that level of difficulty

sooo whats the issue

[grizzled flame]

yeah it has a TON more challenges

and modifiers

[feral fractal]

okay its the one i read about a while ago

[grizzled flame]

like lots achals

[feral fractal]

then i shall say i like shpd's challenges but would never play tcpd

[grizzled flame]

and allchal tcpd is impossible pretty much

[wintry tendon]

The issue is that just because of those reasons, i don't feel it's justified that warrior is gimped at higher chal.

Yes i know he's supposed to be tutorial class but that's just injustice ahaha

[feral fractal]

shpd's challenges are for harder play, tcpd is for lunatic difficulty

[grizzled flame]

hell im pretty sure leavint the starting room in tcpd allchal is impossible

[grizzled flame]

and the issue is why does he needd to not be gimped

warden gets fucked over by barren quite a bit

[red oak]

All of these were started from "kiting debate"

[grizzled flame]

so does mage imo with forbidden runes

whats the issues with that being the case

not all classes are created equal and they dont need be created equal so long as they are balanced for whatever the dev has their focus on, which is 0chal

[wintry tendon]

It feels unfair when every other class does better than him.

It's just my opinion that I dislike imbalance when there's a skill ceiling. Maybe it's moba gamer mindset

[grizzled flame]

while chals areoptional things to increase difficulty in specific ways, so ofc certain classes will get gimped over them more than others

u coudl argue glad has an easier time with swarm int

since crush is a great AoE skill

[wintry tendon]

I know this is shpd so there isn't a balance patch every now and then

[grizzled flame]

sooo we need to buff every other class yes?

[feral fractal]

imo warrior is the easiest class for beginners and worst for pros

[grizzled flame]

so they get more AoE abilities to ciompare to glad in swarm int

thtas the kinda logic u got rn imo

[grizzled flame]

theres always gonna be a class that does worse than the others

[red oak]

The reason is simple. "Potion of healing" spamming

[feral fractal]

lol

[dusk sky]

i propose a superior solution