I have 3700hp and 1 single biter hit takes away 1000hp, what is even the purpose of increasing the HP? On 1.4 it scaled accordingly and 1 biter didn't kill me in 4 hits.
#Damage received scaling on legend levels
solar marsh
dim parrot
Are you playing on nightmare? If so that’s why, I’m LL300 so max health and biters and even virals are lethal if they catch you. Nightmare is supposed to be that hard it’s part of the challenge but if your dying that quick on lower difficulties yeah that’s not right
solar marsh
Nah, I'm playing on brutal, but it changed in 1.5, in 1.4 I received a lot less dmg
I'm also on NG+ 1 and the area levels are just 10 and 20
I get having increased damage on higher difficulties, but what is the point of legend levels when it doesn't change at all how much damage you can take?
velvet zinc
I get having increased damage on higher difficulties, but what is the point of l...
I’m gonna have to agree, the damage they were dealing on my brutal save was fucking nuts. I was like, LL 111 on it.
solar marsh
On 1.4 I could take probably around 10-12 hits from a volatile, now a biter eats Crane for breakfast 
On a side note, I can also no longer 1 hit enemies with my fists, dunno why would they remove that as it was quite fun lul
floral oriole
1 hit was a bug due to incorrect scaling, which is fixed now
solar marsh
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gentle badger
Are you playing on nightmare? If so that’s why, I’m LL300 so max health and bite...
Even on nightmare there are some scaling issues, for example i lose like 80% of my health when a human enemy kicks me
Which seems like a lot, like if I didn't have over 20 armor and legend resistance id just die in one hit
dim parrot
Even on nightmare there are some scaling issues, for example i lose like 80% of ...
Yeah it’s supposed to be like that, the difficulty is called Nightmare it’s supposed to be exactly that, Techland themselves stated this was the hardest challenge they’ve added to the game. People got too comfortable with how easy DL2 nightmare is and expected the same for The Beast and it’s just not. If it’s too hard for you maybe try going down to brutal until your Able to complete nightmare. You need to do a lot of blocking and dodging on nightmare, and near the end bosses will literally one shot you. That’s apart of the challange it’s not scaled incorrectly it’s literally meant to be hard.
I’ve beaten Nightmare 3 times now, it’s a great challenge but you have to be good at the game to do it otherwise your gonna die a lot, not to toot my own horn but I’m really really good at the game and even I died multiple times on my first nightmare run.
gentle badger
lol
solar marsh
Damn, thought I was on reddit for a moment
The issue I described has nothing to do with nightmare difficulty either, it is the fact that being higher legend level has absolutely 0 benefit, you gain no damage resistance at all
dim parrot
The issue I described has nothing to do with nightmare difficulty either, it is ...
Not much no, you get more health everytime you level up and then 10% resistance from melee and range attacks once upgraded and 50% fall resistance.
solar marsh
Not much no, you get more health everytime you level up and then 10% resistance ...
and that is what I mean, you get more health but it is useless cuz a biter does more damage, so it cancels out
dim parrot
and that is what I mean, you get more health but it is useless cuz a biter does ...
Yeah I can see that, but the game is supposed to be hard that was always the goal. One of the main complaints about DL2 is that it’s just too easy and not scary enough so they dialed up the difficulty and horror for The Beast. Personally I prefer the way the game was before the update I liked being super OP but too many people complained so they made it harder. Nightmare was always going to be hard as hell though, they did a good job with it, it’s genuinely hard as hell sometimes.
solar marsh
Yeah I can see that, but the game is supposed to be hard that was always the goa...
brudda it is not about being hard, it is about making 0 sense
why do you keep talking about nightmare when it isn't about nightmare
dim parrot
brudda it is not about being hard, it is about making 0 sense
Because the game is incredibly easy on every other difficulty
If you mean the DL formula in general it’s been the same it’s always been. You level up and get super OP and then work your way back towards the game being balanced again but slightly stronger. That’s how 1-2 are as well
solar marsh
What I mean is that it makes no sense to get increased HP when it does absolutely nothing, might as well just keep the HP untouched.
dim parrot
What I mean is that it makes no sense to get increased HP when it does absolutel...
It does make sense, if you didnt have increased health you’d die in one hit rather than 4. Your health goes up because enemy damage goes up it’s really that simple,
dim parrot
What you’re wanting is your health to go up but enemy damage to stay the same. None of the DL games work like that so if you don’t like that maybe DL isn’t for you?
I just explained how it works, you start off weak and then you get super strong. And then as you keep doing NG+ runs the game balances back out again but you have better stats overall. Thats just how they’ve always done it. It’s like that for the replay ability, if you stay super OP then progressing becomes meaningless. The whole point of LL and NG+ is for the players who will consistently play the game up until the next one comes out it’s something for the community to gradually work towards as new updates come out. LL and NG+ aren’t designed for the people who will play the game and beat it just to never touch it again. I don’t know what else to tell you because you’re complaining about the formula itself that’s been the same since DL1. That’s something you’ll have to take up with Techland i dont know
dim parrot
And you would’ve been, but as I stated a lot of people complained about being too op and wanting a challenge so with the recent update they made it to where now each NG+ scales to your current level rather than the set level it was before
solar marsh
Even in DL1 I didn't feel so weak as I do here
dim parrot
It used to go up by 30 levels in difficulty per NG+ so if you were above level 30 on NG+1 you’d be OP but now it scales to your current level, I don’t like the change but apparently the community does.
solar marsh
Well that was my whole issue
I don't like that either
being on NG+11 I'd understand it, but not on NG+1
dim parrot
It’s just what we’re stuck with unfortunately, at least for now that is.
If you haven’t done your survey yet definitely speak your mind on it, I addressed this problem when I did it
floral oriole
being on NG+11 I'd understand it, but not on NG+1
It was just boring without any challenge before I became NG+11. Good balance is always hard to get, when some want to be OP and others don't
solar marsh
If you don't wanna be OP then don't level yourself up so much until you're on the relevant NG+
floral oriole
that was the reason I did speedruns
the scaling was completely wrong before the update
solar marsh
doesn't mean it is right now
floral oriole
I'm going to start a new save and level up to Ng+11 LL300, now that I get the challenge
nimble cobalt
The new scaling system ruined the game. No point in leveling up or getting stronger, it does nothing now.
floral oriole
Don't know how the scaling is on the lower NG+, but on NG+11 it's good
dim parrot
The new scaling system ruined the game. No point in leveling up or getting stron...
Yeah there is, I don’t know why people are acting brand new, it’s the same way in every single DL game. You start of weak then work your way towards being OP and as you get higher up in NG+ the game starts to balance itself back out but you still have higher stats overall so you are stronger than you were just not OP anymore. Yeah the recent update made it to where you won’t be OP anymore because the game scales with you now but you still get more benefits from all the LL skills.
final flame
The new scaling system ruined the game. No point in leveling up or getting stron...
I agree
final flame
Yeah there is, I don’t know why people are acting brand new, it’s the same way i...
You're very wrong, re-evaluate yourself
bitter locust
Don't know how the scaling is on the lower NG+, but on NG+11 it's good
Scaling is the same on NG+2
But if you are 300 and play with a lower LL ex 200 you gonna one shot again
Update 1.4 one shot in solo miss me
nimble cobalt
Yeah there is, I don’t know why people are acting brand new, it’s the same way i...
This is not a situation were lying is beneficial to people.
dim parrot
This is not a situation were lying is beneficial to people.
And what did I lie about?
Everything I said is common knowledge no?
Or is this one of those “I don’t like what you’re saying/ I don’t feel like your right” situations therefore I’m lying?
As of update 1.5 the game will scale with you when you start a new NG+ which was not the case for update 1.4 where you could easily one shot enemies from NG+1-7 and from NG+8-11 is where the game started to balance itself out again. I’m currently on NG+13 which the games doesn’t scale past NG+11 but I’m also LL300 and I play on Nightmare the game where I’m at is perfectly scaled and it’s a good challenge. I’ve also seen other people on lower NG+ runs saying the game scaled for them once they finished their current run and start their next one i also play a lot of co op and have joined people on lower NG+ runs and the game was scaled for them so where is the lie?
You can read the patch notes at anytime to see exactly what the update added/ changed.
nimble cobalt
Awesome projection of your point of view, and what you are doing, it's always healthy to do things like that. Am I just supposed to copy roughly 90% of your comment to show you your lies that you refuse to see?
dim parrot
Awesome projection of your point of view, and what you are doing, it's always he...
You didn’t even point out one, just read the patch notes or watch a YT video explaining it holy hell 🤦🏻♂️
nimble cobalt
You didn’t even point out one, just read the patch notes or watch a YT video exp...
I did, I literally stated rougly 90% of what you said. Holy hell, learn to read. Get an education.
dim parrot
I did, I literally stated rougly 90% of what you said. Holy hell, learn to read....
Except everything I said is in the patch notes? So you’re saying the patch notes are a lie? Just completely made up huh? But I need an education?? Sounds like you need to spend time in the looney bin.
Still haven’t pointed out what I “lied” about and you haven’t given any examples either, you’re just saying I’m lying when the proof is the patch notes.
Read the patch notes, then read what I said and point out to me what I lied about. If you can’t do that shut the hell up, you don’t even have to admit you’re wrong just stop pretending already.
velvet zinc
I did, I literally stated rougly 90% of what you said. Holy hell, learn to read....
Brother you said nothing but “muhh new scaling system ruined the game” ??
nimble cobalt
Brother you said nothing but “muhh new scaling system ruined the game” ??
So you can't read, and lack an understanding of the meaning of words in the english language?
velvet zinc
No I just think you’re a top tier baiter my bro
nimble cobalt
You do, on both accounts.
velvet zinc
Whatever makes you feel better 
nimble cobalt
Maybe they will call a third friend in, but i'll just block them also.
dim parrot
Whatever makes you feel better <a:headshake:913145096445255761>
Best to leave buddy and his fantasy’s alone, dude lives in his own world.
solar marsh
I've just tried making a new save file for new game plus 1 and levelled up to lvl 130 and I am stronger and I receive less damage than on lvl 300, this makes 0 sense. Both are on Brutal difficulty, NOT nightmare.