Ray Tracing still not implemented

[tawny fox]

I do not think there is any justification for deleting this thread or any threads like it until we get communication and a timeline from techland. If the feature is truly “top priority (P0)” there shouldn’t be any issue discussing this and I hope it’s being implemented soon.

It took Doom TDA 6 weeks after launch to implement the advertised path tracing and if it is going to take that long we deserve some form of timeline!

Ray Tracing still not implemented

[grave summit]

Doom TDA had ray tracing from day 1. It was mandatory to run the game, in fact. It was the upgraded path tracing that was delayed but that was only about 6 weeks, not 6 months. That said, I'd love to see some general communication on what's going on w/ The Beast and the RT patch.

[thorny vale]

Yes, RT news please. Why does it take so long to fix and what's the rough ETA?

[iron crown]

Yeah, “we’re working on it” doesn’t mean anything. What’s the point of answering like that when the question is “When?” At the very least, they could just say “Sorry, we fucked up and we don’t know when it’s ready”, instead of covering up their lie by giving generic non-answers and deleting threads.

[old oar]

I really dont like their way of communicating.

[unkempt zinc]

Agreed, at the very least they could do, if it really is such a big bug or performance hog and i would bet my balls it was known long before the 2h release post of delaying...is to update us regularly on the issue or atleast tell us something else than "we're working on it" every single day. Not everybody got the game for free... Some people work hard for their money. So, let's say for example. i come from europe and it's easier here to sue a company for false advertising/not being as advertised. Much more robust, the consumer is in a stroger position. Don't know the EULA for dying light though. Cyberpunk2077 and No man's sky had a similar thing going on with class-action lawsuits if i remember correctly right? While this being impractical and very expensive in every case (which i bet the company/companies know very well), for this one it's not even that severe only annoying, unfair and something to remember ig. Love the game in most other aspects and with some modding i have 200h on it i mean don't get me wrong just sharing what's on my mind.

[fierce rock]

Appreciate you recreating the thread @tawny fox , pretty rude of them to just delete this without any acknowledgement IMO. All we are asking for here is an updated estimated timeline. If that timeline is like 6 months then great just let me know will come back to the game when its ready and can free up some hard drive space for now. It's not a hard ask. As a dev you likely have an idea of time frame on a feature that was originally baked in and supposedly tested during development, which btw you actually implemented in your last game.

[harsh quest]

It's wearing me pretty thin at this point, especially getting gaslit by people that are either blind or in denial because they bought a setup for 500 8 years ago that can't run it and therefore can't move on from the fact that yes if you change the way the game is lit with RTGI then the presentation of the game is transformed.

Been sat on a game here I can't and don't really want to play without experiencing it in the way that I want/it should be experienced if you have the facility to.

Equally annoying is the fierce marketing cycle this game had where they wouldn't shut up about literally anything they believed in when it came to this game, videos about it, post after post after post, then something like this goes wrong and it's complete radio silence and air and no acknowledgement that it sucks massively for people that want to play with RT and they only get one first experience.

[cosmic cipher]

Top priority ? Only like 2% of fan base think about it bro

[thorny vale]

Yeah everyone who can't run it doesn't give af and half the people who can run RT and saw the Nvidia showcase and saw the room lighting going from nonexistent black crap despite an open door in broad daylight to amazingly realistic do give a little of af.

[iron crown]

It’s been 20 days...

[iron crown]

Once again they gave a copy-paste non-answer that has 0 bytes of actual information in it

[old oar]

That screenshot’s actually from September 25, so it’s been quite a while already.
Doesn’t really feel like a top priority (P0) anymore — hopefully we’ll finally get some real info soon 🤞

[tawny fox]

Yep and they deleted that thread kinda wild tbh

[mighty vigil]

discord automatically deletes threads if no activity has happened for a while

the only thread thats older then 20 days is the rules one because its locked and pinned

discord also hyas a limit on how many threads that can exist at a time

[old oar]

Yeah, that might be true, but considering multiple RT threads disappeared around the same time, it’s hard not to think it’s at least partly moderated

[mighty vigil]

ity might also be to limit it so just 1 thread is talkign about it would be rule 3

[old oar]

Fair point, but if that’s the rule, wouldn’t it make sense to just leave one official RT thread open instead of removing all of them? 🤔

[mighty vigil]

they did leave the one about raytracing being uanble to be turned off but it was because it wasnt implemented yet

so they did leave 1 thread

[old oar]

True, but that thread’s about people thinking RT can’t be turned off — not about the missing implementation itself.
So technically there’s still no dedicated thread for the actual RT update status 🤷‍♂️

[thorny vale]

Fun fact if it's not coming today that's 3 weeks.

[real trout]

funfact we dont need raytracing

game already looks good

raytracing will make it a tad bit better

stop shouting at techland for it

[red bramble]

it was an announced feature I paid for the full game I want the full game if you dont want to run raytracing thats fine why even comment here

[low wedge]

game looks flat

[thorny vale]

If no one complains they think no one's missing it. I'm missing it.

[marble quartz]

It is not about the current visual quality (looks very good) of the game itself, it is about the missing communication and transparency. To publish that the implementation of RT is top priority but give no update for 3 weeks is disappointing.

[real trout]

raytracing aint everything is yall

[harsh quest]

Your opinion isn't changing what the facts actually are.

[real trout]

and that is?

[harsh quest]

That the RT features should be in the game, they were promised, marketed, removed at the 11th hour. I don't think it crept up on them that it was going to take close to a month or even longer to sort it out.

Those are the actual facts.

[real trout]

they removed it for performance and stability for release

just have patience

[harsh quest]

Yes we too saw the post they made on launch day.

Would you like me to add another fact? Since launch day there has been no further elaborated communication about it. So you parroting the launch PR post here is no use to yourself or to anyone.

[real trout]

rt is such a overrated feature dude

[harsh quest]

I personally absolutely do not care about what YOU think about RT. Its completely useless information here.

Do you have any information about where it is? A timeframe? what the issue or issues are?

[real trout]

uh no obvi fucking not

[harsh quest]

Not really worth chiming in with the whole "fun fact we don't need raytracing" then was it.

Didn't really add anything to the thread.

[tawny fox]

What about the threads where techland responded? Those were the ones specifically removed and now techland has said nothing about the feature

[tawny fox]

Three weeks and not one word is pretty crazy tbh

[fierce sequoia]

At first I thought it was just a publicity stunt to avoid bad reviews about optimization at launch from people trying to run maxed settings, but at this point I really don’t get why they refuse to communicate about it or add it.

[grave summit]

Even if they say: "we made drastic changes to the engine, and it looks like we won't be able to implement RT in The Beast at all", I'd prefer transparency to this radio silence after declaring it P0 #1 priority.

[low wedge]

If you dont need this, don't be responsible for everyone here

[thorny vale]

I really don't think it's anywhere that drastic and we'll get it just fine eventually. Maybe with "it has highest priority" they just meant "as a feature" but still after the most important round of post-release hotfixes. Especially the progress soft locks and quest bugs.

[grave summit]

I was just making worst case scenario as an explanation that even transparency of bad news would be better than no real update.

[fierce rock]

My money is still on the theory that they saw how terrible Borderlands 4 got review bombed for performance and noped out of that scenario by removing RT. They are giving it a month to make sure people have time to give good reviews about how well it runs then it will likely appear. Just seems way too coincidental that they completely pull a feature that a user could easily just turn off if it was causing them issues so last minute that even Nvidia had to walk back their marketing. Makes no sense. The reason I play on PC is so I have the choice of how to play my games, if I didn't care about that I would play on console, but I do care about that. They essentially just removed that choice. Maybe I would have been fine with the performance hit, but I will never know because I'm almost done with the game at this point. Which is a bummer.

[thorny vale]

They should have just made it an experimental branch on steam for a month. Do any of the consoles even support Raytracing?

[somber bobcat]

All current gen consoles but Series S had ray tracing in DL2

[iron crown]

Daily reminder that they still refuse to communicate about RT

[red bramble]

Yea its jover I think

[harsh quest]

Well it's been a day, but the temptation was seemingly too much for you.

[real trout]

i would say something but then again why should i

[harsh quest]

Hahaha, this is genuinely the first time I've experienced someone trying to be a rat on the internet but then bottling it because they didn't really think it through.

[fierce rock]

You should have asked yourself this before the last post. Actually maybe it’s a good rule of thumb for you in general.

[grave summit]

It's the Internet. Block. Life is too short.

[cobalt sluice]

Boooo

[cobalt sluice]

@thin trench would love this post

[thorny vale]

https://tenor.com/view/coinhuntworld-chw-bluecubie-yellowvaults-cranes-gif-25177591

Hey ya'll got more of them rays? I'll beast thumbs up on your review page I swear.

[old oar]

😂😂

[real trout]

69th post on this haha funny number

[tawny fox]

Lol yeah I think most of us are probably agreed it’s not releasing anytime soon and maybe not even this year considering the lack of communication yikes I’ve lost all trust in this dev team

[red bramble]

what daddy tencent does to a company

[low wedge]

It's very ridiculously strange, but skate team listening players more then devs here. Seen your servers

Also funny see things like this. They don't look in steam discussions I guess

[real trout]

its just rt bro yall are over reacting about rt

[red bramble]

bro its an announced feature not in the game almost a month after the release

a feature is a feature be it a gameplay feature or graphical feature

and the devs being dead silent about it makes it even more weird

[cobalt sluice]

Already say they were working on it

[red bramble]

yea they once said it. 2h before the game came out

nice and transparent

[thorny vale]

@old oar I mean the reception was good, it's not like hordes of peasants complain about raytracing. The majority of people don't even know it was supposed to be in there, just the ones who saw the Nvidia showcase trailer and read the store page features even know about it or some just expect it because DL2 already had it.

[tawny fox]

I don’t get what your purpose is here. You don’t want the feature nor understand why it’s weird there’s been no communication, so what do you even add to this conversation other than coping over their bad business practices.

[cobalt sluice]

Would you rather they go "day 2: we squashed a RT bug" ect

[mighty vigil]

Personally i prefer they focus on the gameplay bugs first like the wonly car physica and stuff like actual gameplay

[floral patio]

I agree with this heavy

If a game that promised a setting that will make it look even better, isn't present ofcource people who can afford such performance heavy stuff will be upset

They only said ONCE it will be later in updates

Never said when , and still being silent.

And i think they also deleted some tweet regarding raytracinh being priority 0 task

[cobalt sluice]

It was promised, just not on launch

I understand if it's been a few months to be upset, but we don't know the scale of how buggy it was nor do we know what sort of update they're bundling it with, whether that means they do a hotfix, or are waiting to do a huge update with Raytracing added to it

It's only been a month so I say just be patient, and if it goes on for months than that does get worrying

[floral patio]

The thing is that game already came out . Not like all these people gonna wait 6 months just to finally play again with ray tracing. I mean atleast I am , i wanna replay the story in singleplayer after first play through in coop. And I wanna make it a full fleshed out experience with best visuals. The game is beautiful and i think raytracing is important for those who care about proper inferior lighting and gi

People who say its just reflections in puddles are straight up ignorant

Even so the woods and closed spaces in open world would look even better with all bounce lights and ambient occlusion

[cobalt sluice]

It would, but can you imagine how mad people would be if they released it broken? You can't make everyone happy, I'm just glad they're making sure it's polished

[grave summit]

It's a single player game for the most part. Sure, I'll dabble with it down the road, and play if it they expand content, but you can only play it the first time once. RT Global Illumination is a great addition for the game's mood and atmosphere. I'm still waiting on RT that was intended to be present at release but was yanked last minute. I get it, things happen, but just communicate.

[floral patio]

Remember Techland isnt known for always keeping their promises and being very honest

[cobalt sluice]

Just got to be optimistic

[floral patio]

They also might aswell just say " yeah we working on it!!" And its 6 months now from release

[grave summit]

Techland support of the DL games has been amazing. That's why this lack of communication is frustrating.

[floral patio]

I really do hope they are just busy with the whole game

[cobalt sluice]

I get it, but it's only been a month, be patient, and in a month or two if they haven't said anything then it'd be more realistic to be mad

[grave summit]

I'd prefer they didn't release it at all if it wasn't finished.

[floral patio]

I have high hopes there will be a community update soon that actually adds a lot like rt, proper repair mechanic, more hud options , ng+ and nigthmare difficulty

[cobalt sluice]

But then you'd get people complaining about not getting it

[cobalt sluice]

Oh for sure, I hope so too

[grave summit]

Misery loves company. 🙂

[floral patio]

I really think they should make a roadmap for beast updates lol

One way to communicate with whats coming

[grave summit]

If they say, hey, it'll be 2 months, I'll just peace out and wait.

[cobalt sluice]

Roadmaps would always be appreciated

[grave summit]

A roadmap would be well received.

[floral patio]

Future of the beast now seems a bit foggy

Considering they now have 2 games that needs thag "5 year support"

Or atleast dl2 does

Not sure if they every said they will support beast for so long too

Lile hell beast is probably best take on modern dying light but did it even bring enough money to the company?

I really hope it did

[cobalt sluice]

I mean it hit 1mil pre-orders, so it probably did, let alone the later copies sold down the line

But I wouldn't know

[floral patio]

So like 50-60 million dollars

Dl2 at launch got 5 mil copies sold first month

And 30 million copies yesr after release

So like same-ish result should be enough for third game and beast support

Budget is a more complicated topic so whatever

[iron crown]

From Steam forum:

I think the most disrespectful thing about this situation is that at least Techland's community managers MUST see these Steam threads and comments under their updates and have consciously decided not to provide any new information about the whole ray tracing disaster. They are keeping quiet and DELIBERATELY ignoring their customers.

[low wedge]

Ну короче лохи они я понял

Я игре уже негативный отзыв въебал, даже если завтра внедрят лучи заебался тупо каждую их игру как ирли акцесс видеть на релизе за фулл прайс, даже при всей моей любви к этим играм

[floral patio]

Справедливо

[low wedge]

Чекнул твой профиль в тви, нифига себе, так ты коллега. Работы имбовые

[floral patio]

Хд спасибо

А твой профиль почему то даже не открывается

А вот

НУ НИХУЯ СЕБЕ.

ЭТО ТЫ??

[low wedge]

Ну видимо, а я популярный шоль?

[floral patio]

Я ТВОЮ АНИМКУ В ОДНО ВРЕМЯ ВЕЗДЕ ВИДЕЛ

Бро делает композ лучше 50% шоу

Аура

Впервые вижу человека который не только в игрульки играет в этом комьюнити хд

[low wedge]

Новая выйдет не скоро, но планирую заразить интернет спидом

[low wedge]

Да так же удивился. Нас правда хуями обкроют за то что оффтоп

[floral patio]

They can cry about it как говорится

Как будто они реально чекают эти треды

[low wedge]

Ну тут фанатиков много как оказалось, расстроился

[floral patio]

Подсосы текпупа

Терпилы короче

[low wedge]

Ахаххахаха. Ну я тоже им был, но уже надналоело. Все проблемы бы решились новым переносом игры

А то из раза в раз одна и та же песня

[floral patio]

А все что мы можем сделать как игроки это оставтть отзыв и написать там где с 0,007 увидят и подумают "хм возможно им реально нужен рт"

[floral patio]

Я почему то полностью уверен что игра на самом деле не оптимизированное говно которон только на ии фреймах и держится.
Без адекватного сглаживания, потому что с ним бы никто бы уже не восхвалял "прекрасную" оптимизацию

[low wedge]

Я немного не понимаю людей которые говорят что графика превосходная. Ну, возле ратуши да. А если зайти в ратушу или дальше по локациям игра в плоскую превращается. Да я и релиза ждал из за рт. Дл2 лучше с ним воспринималась. Не было ощущения игры 2015 года

А, и еще они игнорируют утечку памяти кстати

[floral patio]

Интерьер пиздец страдает в домах

[floral patio]

Дос сих пор???😭

Брух

[low wedge]

Ну разве что сами модели интерьеров хорошие справедливости ради по сравнению с двойкой

[floral patio]

Ну я про освещение именно

[low wedge]

Ага, только переключение текстур туда обратно лечит ситуацию. Но я пока что игру не прохожу уже, сайды завершил и устал ждать

[floral patio]

Без рт нет нормального затемнения и много где свет просачивается не в тему

[low wedge]

Я пока что все свое время в донатную помойку еа трачу

[floral patio]

Я сам тоже жду обнов чтобы пройти в одиночке

С друзьями первое прохождение было

[floral patio]

Фифа что ли

[low wedge]

Я привык первое прохождение как раз таки в одиночку делать, обычно мои друзья любят ломать игру. В двойке были метательные ножи. Так вот они убивают сюжетного босса с одного-двух ножей как оказывается

Для первого прохождения мне такой опыт не нужен ахаххаха

[low wedge]

Да в скейт играю, я на закрытом альфа тесте был еще с лета. Люблю тематику досок с детства

[low wedge]

Ну, имелось ввиду если прокачивать эти самые метательные ножи

[floral patio]

Даже там донат есть офигеть

[low wedge]

Лайв сервис увы. Райдерс Репаблик такой же был от юбиков. Нравятся экстрим спорт игры, но у всех них судьба одинаковая всегда

[floral patio]

Ну я тоже пиздец сомневался и не зря. Очень трудно координироваться и иследовать когда все хотят делать разные вещи😭
Было весело но погружение убивает. А баги коопа не помогают

[low wedge]

Ну если сюжет то нужно искать друга который тоже любит погружение, ну и одного или двух максимум

[floral patio]

Кста да последнюю химеру друзья тупо ножами закидали взрывными и я даже не прочувствовал боссфайт🥀

[low wedge]

Ахахаххаха

[real trout]

there is your rt announcement

[low wedge]

@floral patio

[real trout]

there

[low wedge]

its fucking joke

11 week roadmap

[real trout]

yeah it could come in only a week

or more

just be patient

[low wedge]

they think its make us happy or what ahahaha

its already poop-support

Or early access. You can use whatewer you want

[iron crown]

At least I know I can free my disk space and come back to the game in a month or so

[cobalt sluice]

Told y'all to just be patient ☕

[fierce rock]

Just because you posted in this thread does not mean you are impatient. I work for a company that builds software and trust me if customers aren’t giving feedback about a particular feature it gets de-prioritized with engineering. Giving feedback that something that was promised is important is a good thing trust me.

No one here was being unreasonable and frankly they don’t really need people defending them. This is their job.

[harsh quest]

Yeah this is the thing every time someone came out with "ray tracing doesn't matter, no one uses it, why do you care?"

My eyes would just roll into the back of my head. Because of the language here, they've technically kept us on ice for a month and have now turned around and said "here's what you'll get in two and a half months"

So unfortunately I'm not really placated, to me the game is just taking up hard drive space until it's feature complete. Checked every day for a month and now it's like "sike 2 and a half more"

It's not like they didn't know. They knew all along, popped up around launch to lap up any positive feedback, dipped when any rightful heat started to come to the surface.

This whole situation has personally really annoyed me. Complete waste of time for everyone involved, been hanging on to "could be a day could be weeks" for literally weeks to be told

"Could be a day could be weeks"

Lame.

[cobalt sluice]

I didn't say they were being impatient, well, not all of them, nor was I defending the company as I do understand the frustration even if it can be annoying to see constantly, patience is a virtue that pays off and I've been telling people so

[low wedge]

The whole problem wouldn't have happened if they had moved the release date. That would have been the best solution. The negative review is already there, the opinion is formed.

Not only ray tracing problem. Game have many problems

[cobalt sluice]

That's fair, my only thing is some people claim that it was promised on launch and like, because it didn't, they've been ultimately betrayed by their best friend, it wasn't

[grave summit]

There is no reason to expect a feature they implemented years ago in their previous game wouldn't be available at launch. In fact on release day they even remarked that they pulled it last minute but it was P0. It's disingenuous to suggest it shouldn't have been an expected launch feature.

Instead of RT, the feature they implemented was a map where I got stuck in the geometry multiple times and had to reload. Not a great trade off. Never had that issue in previous DL games.

[cobalt sluice]

I can't really comment, I'm not very knowledgable in Raytracing implementation

[grave summit]

Anyway, I shelved the game 2 weeks ago, zero playtime. I'll come back when they finish it eventually.

[somber bobcat]

Unlikely but hopefully they add some kind of software RT like crisis remastered

[cobalt sluice]

I was ping-a-linged

[fierce rock]

Yea I ended up playing the game because a friend of mine wanted to Co Op through it and I had a really good time and spent like 60 hours in it to the end. So thats the positive note I will say here. If I didn’t have a friend to play I would certainly have just waited for RT and bought then as I have no lack of things to play these days. The downside to that is that I really had no reason to play it again once RT was implemented…so I am glad to see that they are adding a NG+ mode as that will at least give it some replay-ability because as it stands right now there is about zero once you finish all the missions.

[cobalt sluice]

Best part is this is only the roadmap for the rest of the year, I'm hyped for what 2026's may look like

[floral patio]

https://tenor.com/view/americandad-stansmith-gif-22981940

well atleast something bro

[tawny fox]

Anyone disagreeing with you is a fool we got no dates and the roadmap is 11 weeks they fully could just not release it until the 11 weeks are up this shit is disgusting and turns me off to Techland as a whole

[tawny fox]

this is what you should emphasize we've BEEN patient the game has been out a month now they said we will get this stuff possible in 11 weeks??? Almost 4 months after launch? It's frankly pathetic and that "top priority (P0)" shit is very obviously a lie!

[real trout]

your still gonna fucking get it

[low wedge]

Do you enjoying ur early access game, chat?

[real trout]

you got a answer

[tawny fox]

No man I got told sometime in two months the update I expected a month ago will release

[low wedge]

harold you can eat shit, we dont shit eaters sorry

[real trout]

uh no because all of you just support each other

you got a answer

would you rather you dont

and be left in the dark?

[low wedge]

What you trying to defend? feature should be in game at launch, we payed for this feature

[real trout]

no you paid for the game

[tawny fox]

I paid for a feature-complete game like Dying Light 2 was

[real trout]

what and when did you buy dl2?

as dl2 was a shit mess when it released

[tawny fox]

No it was not I had it on launch sorry your PC struggled RT ran fine on release they had DLSS/FSR there were many options

[real trout]

they worked on it for years

[tawny fox]

They literally had an option so you could only have RT on your flashlight if needed

[real trout]

this game was worked on for like a year and a half

[tawny fox]

this was meant as a DLC to DL2 they are on the same engine

[real trout]

honestly

stay mad

[tawny fox]

There are assets from DL2 found in the map

[real trout]

because they wont change nothin

[tawny fox]

I will and when it releases and I can run it and you complain about performance please keep coping

[low wedge]

It's very nice to know that rt won't be released until the end of the year, yes, I understand, thank you. This is a bad joke, not a game development. I paid for everything that was advertised. Are you really stupid, or don't you understand what you're protecting? You don't need this feature, so go ahead and play.

It's not early access, its full game

And they literally shoved into the roadmap what should have been in the game from the start. It's a joke.

[tawny fox]

Literally how can people defend their "top priority (P0)" releasing 3 months after launch? Like the devs plainly lied

[harsh quest]

But from an optics perspective, there was no way on this earth out of the gate they were gonna be like "yeah we've disabled RT because it's so borked it's gonna need up to 3 months to sort out"

[low wedge]

It's worked on showcases perfectly

[harsh quest]

They need the engagement, they need the installs.

[cobalt sluice]

[low wedge]

They need to make game full from launch. Maybe one time

[harsh quest]

I do think it's worth keeping in mind that the degree of cooked RT must have been would have probably meant they'd have got completely roasted for it in reviews and whatnot. Plus not only that I assume even powerful hardware it would have set on fire or even not worked properly at all.

[low wedge]

Your words make sense, but the customers just wasted their time waiting for them to finally say something during their silence.

In the end, those who were waiting just deleted the game until better times. And it's unlikely that they will ever pick up the game again.

[harsh quest]

That's the thing it's the lack of real transparency. They wouldn't have said "this is really broken and it's gonna take a while to fix" because it would have gone against the insane hype train they were cultivating that was "this is the dying light you wanted, it's the best thing ever, we have done all the things"

[low wedge]

buy game again***. translaitor do a bruh moments sometimes

its just a meme on RT situation

can you believe it`s almost been a month since we UNLEASHED THE SILENCE???

[cobalt sluice]

I understand the frustration, but the amount of anger over something like that, when it's only been a month, is surprising

[harsh quest]

And I do think it is intrinsically techland to have a game they've supported for years and essentially fixed, that is a blueprint for the next release with the asterix of "just adjust X Y and Z"

And then they somehow end up overtuning or fumbling something straight out of the gate even though the recipe was already there, they had/have already done it, twice at this point, dying light 2 ended up being a good game once they righted the wrongs, and so will the beast. But it's just frustrating.

[low wedge]

A month for P0 is doubtful of course

[low wedge]

At least, they unleashed the beast

I love their games, but their attitude towards their fanbase has made me lose all respect for them. It's ridiculous ahahhaah

[harsh quest]

In my opinion the game won't fully have properly come together until the last gen port, guaranteed internally that will be the benchmark as such as to when it's mostly feature complete and the serious optimisation steps will have taken place.

[cobalt sluice]

Yeah, I get it don't get me wrong, but some people act like it's life or death in a sense and will ruin the entire franchise

[low wedge]

I've been planning my weekends around this game. Of course I'm going to be mad

[harsh quest]

There's still probably such a huge install base of Xone and PS4 users that they won't even bother having to update and maintain another two or three console builds yet because they'll know there's still larger work to be done.

[harsh quest]

My advice is to just channel the energy into something else for now, uninstall and be on with something else until there's a meaningful update, I guess we kind of know now, I guess we know not to be as actively monitoring what's going on. They do say the watched kettle never boils, nothing is going to change the lost time and the lack of real transparency is really really really annoying and kind of disrespectful to the playerbase that want to experience their first and potentially only play though with RT. But it is what it is. The sheer amount of comments on these threads about RT in here and in the steam forums, they know full well the general consensus from a subset of the community. It's just something to bare in mind isn't it as a community member. Rather than address the situation in more detail the play was to let people that wanted RT have to explain themselves to people with 10 year old hardware or people that cant tell the difference on a technical level, it's literally like arguing with flat earthers. The RT crowd never really wanted to argue just to know what was going on. Whereas the people that weren't interested in RT would still involve themselves and bring a sort of superiority complex whilst techland sort of let them give each other grief.

[cobalt sluice]

Like I said, I get it, but some people are straight up blowing their tops over some additional eye candy, nowmaybe I'm biased to baked lighting, but I just feel some people are going overboard

[cerulean dock]

See rt comparison in dl 2 it is a night and day difference especially if you crank the lod multiplier

It put the game's visual fidelity on another level

[grave summit]

Dude, it's just folks who want to play this single player game with the best experience because they love the franchise. It's disappointing to just wait months after release to be able to play. The other option is to play now. Sure it'll be a good time, but when they finally patch, you'll have already finished the game and won't be stoked to replay a SP experience.

[cobalt sluice]

Yes, but throwing temper tantrums hardly ever solves anything, right? Not pointing fingers, but it's apparent people have been

[grave summit]

I can't speak for everyone, I mean this is the Internet after all, but most folks here wish they were either transparent about a realistic RT timetable, or had waited to release the game until it was feature complete.

[cobalt sluice]

And see, that's fair, I completely understand and I have no qualms with those people

[thorny vale]

I think it's important to keep pushing a little without going overboard and name calling. If no one complains at all we'll never get this feature and it will be down-prioritized even more than already. I also want to experience the story the first time in RT. I got a thousand games on steam, I'll probably not re-play an entire game twice, coop or not.

[mighty vigil]

I would not have wanted to wait over an extra month for just some ray tracing gona be completely honest

[tawny fox]

Yeah and I wish they had made it clear before release that it wasn’t ready instead of pulling it out an hour before launch

[iron crown]

July 25: Guys, we're taking an extra month to make sure everything is extra polished.

September 13: We pushed ourselves to make the impossible possible, and that's why we're releasing the game a day earlier!

September 18: Nvidia publishes a blogpost showcasing ray tracing in DLTB.

Also september 18, few hours before the release: We disabled ray tracing because it needed some last-minute optimizations. We'll add it back as quickly as possible, it's our top priority!
Game comes out with critical bugs, no Nightmare difficulty, no ray-tracing, and no NG+.

October 16: Guys, we need the rest of the year to finish everything up.

[red bramble]

Typical Techland

Tencent really needed that investment return asap

[fierce rock]

When you consider it was originally supposed to be DLC for the LAST GAME and come out prolly a year or more ago…it looks even worse 🤣

[thorny vale]

Chins up lads, any month now.

[harsh quest]

Hahahahaha. This thread is Literally the certified RT support group at this point.

[cobalt sluice]

Cult of The Traced Rays

[red bramble]

paid for a >2k gpu. Want to use all of it

[cobalt sluice]

Huh

[thorny vale]

Did you know the average 5090 user only uses 10% of their GPU? 🧠
Unlock your frame limiter now to reach your full potential!

500fps on The Beast without raytracing at the cost or running a small vacuum cleaner.

[red bramble]

dont have a 5090

[harsh quest]

It's literally the plot of Lucy 2.

[thorny vale]

...you paid more than 2k for a GPU that is not a 5090?

Hey man so my nigerian grandma is really sick, I could use some help send me a DM 🤙

[red bramble]

I bought the 4090 in 2022 best investment I made so far

[thorny vale]

I concur, it was definitely the best card I ever bought... until I bought the 5090 a couple months ago.
And now I still need to sell my 4090.... hard to know what it's worth today. Something like 1300$ maybe given it's used?

[red bramble]

ehh 50xx series is kinda lame compared to the uplift from 30xx to 40xx. 4090 is literally 2x the perf of the 3090 so imma wait till 60xx or 70xx

[thorny vale]

I play lots of VR though, that extra 30-40% performance makes all the difference between not worth playing and fkn awesome.

For 2D games I would agree with you though, the price increase isn't worth the performance boost for 2D games.
Some VR mods be crazy good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjLpT_AKz_c&pp=ygUMcmVhZHkgb3Igbm90

[red bramble]

Any game is 2D at the end

Just think about it

[thorny vale]

in a sense we don't see 3D either, each eyeball gets a 2D picture and our brain interprets it 🧠 🥸

[floral patio]

32 days

[cobalt sluice]

I'm getting a 7090 OC
I'm pretty cool too 😏

[floral patio]

This Friday! Right Techland?

[tawny fox]

Lol it’s not coming anytime soon I fully expect it to be in the January update where they can act as if they’ve done something cool for the new year when it’s just finally adding a promised feature.

[tawny fox]

Would’ve been better off as a DLC because at least we’d have RT lmao

[cobalt sluice]

Disagree

[fierce rock]

Yea the 90’s are generally speaking overkill each generation. You can buy the 80 and save 1k bucks, and it melts down less often. I think with the updates they have done on the driver side the 5080 is now performing much closer to the 4090 than it was at launch, depends on the game though. If you were skipping a generation or more the 50 series still made sense as well.

[floral patio]

33 days

[thin trench]

TOP PRIORITY P(0)

[red bramble]

am I crazy to say that The Following has more content as a DLC then The Beast as a full game?

[thorny vale]

I think P(0) is either the multiplicatior or a probability

[somber bobcat]

You are very much crazy

[haughty vault]

The game is short for $70.

And yeah, hopefully we’ll get RT by December. Since replayability in this game is now boring. Just killing zombies, wish they at least expanded on the vehicles themselves if they introduced the automobiles concept like it, as in the Following: but there goes our $70. On a game that is again enjoyable. But not worth the price of the cost itself for the amount of content we truly get out of it.

But it could have been further expanded both in terms of the Map size and content-wise.

[floral patio]

34 days

[frail dust]

if you check announcments you can see in their 11 week roadmap they announced they were working on raytracing (also yes i know this post was made before that announcment)

[thin trench]

Well it’s a good thing I refuse to buy until they add ray tracing 🙂

[cobalt sluice]

My idea of course, but I would love this

[haughty vault]

I'm not specifically mentioning RT here. It involves how the game is designed for the price we pay for it. Most of the assets are reskinned variants of DL2, and I really don't mind it at all. In fact, I’d love them to reuse all the features and assets from previous titles to expand further. However, at the moment, the franchise has immense potential, and Techland itself has to admit that this did much better than DL2 itself. But what is the price for the worth of the game? I'll pass. However, I am sadly the owner of their trilogy. Gameplay-wise, I think they nail the game. However, in terms of expandability and potential new features, they could have made it worth $70. The things they used are perfect for an apocalyptic zombie game. Techland nails it with the key ideas and concepts they introduce. But just not the surramount you’d expect from a $70 game. It’s just a DLC 2, but with a hiked price to fool people like us, hardcore Dying Light fans. And not provide a worthwhile amount of content in it.

[haughty vault]

That's precisely the point. The potential to expand has its own charm. However, the game size itself reveals just how short it is compared to its predecessor. However, let's not forget that these AAA studios promised each gamer, like us, to include features that make the game vibrant and enjoyable. So, let's hope they resolve all these issues as we progress and not just leave this game as a cash grabber again, as happened with DL2. Hopefully, we’ll fulfill our promised features, if not the expansions, since I don't really expect or hope for Studios to do that anymore, as they often fail to do so once they reach their goal. But time is our answer. Let's see what time entrails us from here onwards.

[frail dust]

2 things

Firstly didnt realize i ordered a yappuchino

And secondly im talking primarily about the first sentence

As it says you hope they add RT by december

I wasnt mentioning the price or any previous messages

[haughty vault]

Yes. I did mention that. What are you trying to add to my point here? I pointed out that after the announcement of the roadmap, RT. If you don't like someone's opinion in a discussion, don't get involved.

[frail dust]

Im going to stop it here as id like to sleep rn and i dont want mods to possibly get involved later

[haughty vault]

Being rude about someone's opinion isn't gonna help this. I stated a few opinions should be delivered, along with the promised features. I said that by December, we would specifically match the devs' roadmap. Do state how this yapping is and what part of my passage is confusing?

[frail dust]

I said the very long message was yapping

And as i said leave it as that

[haughty vault]

Yes, this is a support discussion. If you don't like it, then ignore it. Don't have to call things.

[floral patio]

35 days

[harsh quest]

Loool yappuchino is admittedly funny. But a lame way to out yourself as not adult enough for proper discussion. If you can't cope with a wall of text or a thought out opinion, you simply can't ridicule someone else.

[floral patio]

36 days

[thin trench]

Ray tracers, outer worlds 2 is a game that has ray tracing, therefore I recommend to divert your hard working funds to a respectable, non-falsely advertised game!

[cobalt sluice]

UE5 game, I'll avoid it just like BL4.

[floral patio]

37 days

[grave summit]

UE5 has atrocious RT support. That game is better with out it.

[red bramble]

Raytracing in UE5 Games can be good if you the devs use the RTXGI branch Lumen Reflections are dodo tho

[cobalt sluice]

Call me crazy, I just don't trust 70-80 dollar UE5 games, let alone 60 dollars.

[red bramble]

yea sadly there are too many UE5 slop games being released lately

[cobalt sluice]

Definitely, I'm going to make sure my game is polished and optimized.

[low wedge]

38 days

[red bramble]

39 days

[tawny fox]

Damn they are deadass gonna wait until next year for the RT patch??? Lmao

[red bramble]

[floral patio]

just patches in general, but rt is really good aaddition for replayability

[floral patio]

40 days

[thin trench]

Another day another ray

Still no trace of a ray

[red bramble]

Dying Light: The Lost Rays

[floral patio]

41 days

[cobalt sluice]

Sorry guys, I deleted all of Techland's progress on Raytracing.

[low wedge]

We need to kill you, sorry

[cobalt sluice]

Catch me if you can.

https://tenor.com/view/leaving-jump-out-middle-finger-flipping-off-flip-off-gif-17755345

[fierce rock]

You actually expect me to believe there was progress…thats funny.

[next robin]

bro there was NO progress it was supposed to be out on release and still nothing 😭💔

[floral patio]

42 days

[floral patio]

https://tenor.com/view/aubergine-eggplant-trendizisst-gif-9349788337226874789

Me af

[low wedge]

No RT again

[grave summit]

Nope!

Another jeep vehicle skin.

[cobalt sluice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1275081368476450846/1394749430187430042/ezgif.com-animated-gif-maker.gif

[cobalt sluice]

[floral patio]

https://tenor.com/view/old-snake-metal-gear-solid-snake-time-goes-by-fast-metal-gear-solid-gif-26264117

[thin trench]

This is definitely not top priority. Another techland lie!

[thorny vale]

My top priority is beating Super Fantasy Kingdom right now, seeya in a few weeks.

[cobalt sluice]

That logic doesn't even make sense.

[red bramble]

🥀

[fierce rock]

Hell I finished the game a couple weeks ago, just have to accept I paid for something that never materialized at this point. Won't be the first time #gamedevs

[floral patio]

43 days

[cobalt sluice]

[floral patio]

44 days

It's my birthday today and it'd be very cool if Techland also released RayTracing patch these weekends

[low wedge]

С днем баклажана

[floral patio]

С днём фолс адвертайзмента

[floral patio]

45 days

[red bramble]

🥀

[cobalt sluice]

Path tracing better. 🗣🗣

[tawny fox]

Holy shit it still hasn’t come💀

[cobalt sluice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1275081368476450846/1394749430187430042/ezgif.com-animated-gif-maker.gif

[floral patio]

46 days

[red bramble]

P0 btw

meanwhile lets add more skins to satisfy daddy China Tencent

[cobalt sluice]

I mean it doesn't necessarily make it any less of a PO.. and I know they said something about visual improvements on the roadmap so I'm guessing it'll be bundled together.

[floral patio]

47 days

[low wedge]

Баклажан(baklajan)

[floral patio]

Спасибо за перевод

[low wedge]

Короче я удалил игру заебался ждать

[floral patio]

а я что зря мод пак готовил

Я удалять не буду

[low wedge]

Он при удалении через стим остается в файлах игры

[floral patio]

Разве

[low wedge]

Да, стим удаляет только то что сам загрузил

Папка игры и папка с дата остается

[floral patio]

Хм

Окей

[low wedge]

Ну сделай лучше бекап, вдруг наебал

[floral patio]

Но я всеравно щас только работаю мне особо больше памяти не нужно для игр

Прикол если в этот четверг выйдет

[low wedge]

Уверен что в этот четверг будет новый челендж без обнов

[floral patio]

90%

[floral patio]

Меня больше всего удивляет что они добавили финишеры быстрее

Учитывая что ртх у них уже был в разработке ДОЛГО

[low wedge]

сковородка из пабга вместо п0

[floral patio]

Не уверен конечно что они еще тогда успели записать анимации для оружий

До выхода игры

Но бля П0 камон

Я то думал финишеры будут только зимой

А все остальное "мелочное" можно уже ждать

А теперь получается найтмер и нг+ будет последними

С рт

[cobalt sluice]

I definitely know this.

[inland sierra]

Да мне RTX нужен, а не их сковородка ))

[floral patio]

48 days

[low wedge]

Жесть

[floral patio]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-rage-silly-cat-bald-head-bald-cat-gif-14874789195890697183

[cobalt sluice]

Day 1 of waiting for the Volatile with a normal jaw.

[floral patio]

Wdym?

Ain't their jaw like one of key design choices

[cobalt sluice]

I think it was like the part 3 video before launch, there was a volatile during the chase and it had a normal jaw from the looks of it.

[floral patio]

Can you show

Im curious

[cobalt sluice]

Let me see if I can find it.

[cobalt sluice]

Maybe I'm just not seeing it right, but it looks like a normal-ish jaw.

[floral patio]

nah you tripping, theyre just very close to each other. Basically touching

[cobalt sluice]

I thought so, but the angle is very hard to tell.

[floral patio]

this is closest you can get to normal jaw volitiles

from old promos/concept art

[cobalt sluice]

Yeah.

[haughty vault]

If they did this, all I’d think is that the bad guy is wearing a WWII pilot helmet and trying to take you to the moon with them. 😂

[thin trench]

Let's keep this thread to ray tracing talk only.

[cobalt sluice]

So anyway I recently made a Minecraft world.

Pretty cool right.

[floral patio]

Okay Ray Tracing is top priority (P0)!

49 days

If it hits 67 im gonna start playing deltarune

[red bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/67-6-7-six-seven-sixty-seven-scp-gif-3295527985440468649

67

[cobalt sluice]

Isn't Deltarune a sequel to Undertale?

[floral patio]

I think it's an au

So not a sequel

[cobalt sluice]

Ohh okay. I've yet to beat Undertale so I know nothing of the lore, let alone anything in Deltarune.

[low wedge]

@floral patio в общем было приятно познакомиться,я ливать буду от сюда ахахахах
что не обновление то хуета, когда нибудь через год поиграю когда игра выйдет до конца

[floral patio]

Да пиздееецц

Эх

So long king

Потестили бетку называется

самое забавное что игра даже не обновилась

[grave summit]

I have been dabbling in and out w/ The Beast despite wanting to wait for RT. Mostly exploring and working on sidequests. I do really enjoy the game, but still bummed the RT isn't here yet.

[floral patio]

50 days

[cobalt sluice]

Raytracing tomorrow. 🤯

[floral patio]

@grok is this real

[frank pivot]

we need to raytrace it

[cobalt sluice]

Making a suggestion to not add Raytracing. :)

[floral patio]

51 days

[thin trench]

im ready for them to announce that ray tracing was too hard to implement

[floral patio]

52 days

[floral patio]

Then wtf was the trailer for😭

Ik the lighting system in dlb is a bit different from dl2 but it shouldn't be THAT problematic

They're litteraly partnering with nvidia

[iron crown]

This 11-week roadmap should have been an internal document during development, not an "exciting post-release campaign." They got away with releasing a game without four months worth of features that were present in previous games...

[cobalt sluice]

Things like Legend and NG+, and Nightmare are being worked on to be far different from previous games if I recall from their last blog post.

[quartz cloak]

the game wasn't meant to have a roadmap. it was meant to be a 1shot thing that would just get bug fixes, and then they would go back to DL2 they said earlier this year

[cobalt sluice]

?? Since when was that ever the case?

[quartz cloak]

in an interview with Tymon at the beginning of the year

[cobalt sluice]

Well it's safe to say he changed his tune pretty early on, probably when they started making it more standalone and different than DL2 with a new map.

[quartz cloak]

And this summer when there was an AMA and people asked questions about post-launch support, Tymon just said that they are focusing on the release.

[cobalt sluice]

I mean, most games should.

[quartz cloak]

I agree. But now we can be happy that we have a roadmap at least.

[cobalt sluice]

Oh for sure, makes me happy for what we'll see next year.

[floral patio]

53 days

[floral patio]

54 days

[cobalt sluice]

It'll be day 60, trust.

[floral patio]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-ohio-regret-laugh-gif-1116863980313871990

[cobalt sluice]

Trust.

[floral patio]

55 days

[solid cradle]

tomorrow maybe ??

[cobalt sluice]

Pretty sure that'll be NG+ and Legend Levels since achievements for them were added.

[frank pivot]

you want raytracing achievement?

[cobalt sluice]

No.

[frank pivot]

traitor

exile yourself

[cobalt sluice]

No.

[frank pivot]

ooh yes

[cobalt sluice]

Never.

[frank pivot]

but you will

[cobalt sluice]

Nuhuh.

[frank pivot]

uh huh

[cobalt sluice]

Never.

[frank pivot]

Always.

Your fate is raytracing

[cobalt sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

My stomach is raytraced.

[frank pivot]

Yes.

[frank pivot]

It isn't, such a traitor does not deserve it

[cobalt sluice]

My stomach is raytraced because I ate all of the raytracing.

[frank pivot]

You haven't ate me

[cobalt sluice]

You're not traced.

[frank pivot]

I am

Also known as the Source of Holy Tracing

[cobalt sluice]

No you're not.

[frank pivot]

Keep denying it, fake DL fan

[floral patio]

yo?

[cobalt sluice]

Says you.

[cobalt sluice]

Yo.

[floral patio]

bro i swear if raytracing comes AFTER NG+ im killing my friend

what achievements tho

[frank pivot]

Okay? Says TheDabbingEnderV2

[cobalt sluice]

Your poor friend.

[cobalt sluice]

Says the AI.

[floral patio]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G5D9NYFWgAAEGEi.gif

[floral patio]

oh wowie

[frank pivot]

stream that please

[floral patio]

i will

[frank pivot]

Says the femboy.

I've got you

[cobalt sluice]

I'm no femboy. 😈

[frank pivot]

Your girlfriend says otherwise

[cobalt sluice]

She's a troll, duh.

[frank pivot]

From shrek?

Sounds great

[cobalt sluice]

You're Shrek.

[frank pivot]

I'm Raytracing

Son of Jensen Huang.

[cobalt sluice]

Where's the birth certificate?

[cobalt sluice]

Fake year.

[frank pivot]

Completely real

Raytracing can bend time

[cobalt sluice]

Prove it.

[frank pivot]

ON THE TEMPORAL FLEXURE PROPERTIES OF RAYTRACING: A THEORETICAL MISUNDERSTANDING

This paper proposes that raytracing, a computer graphics technique primarily used to simulate light behavior, can in fact bend time itself. Through rigorous misuse of mathematics, pseudoscience, and caffeine, we demonstrate that if enough rays are traced per second, causality becomes optional. Experimental evidence is provided via an NVIDIA RTX 5090 observed rendering an image before it was requested.

1. Introduction

In the physical world, light travels at a finite speed 𝑐. In raytracing, however, light is simulated to travel instantaneously along mathematically perfect paths.
This discrepancy creates a temporal gradient between reality and simulation, resulting in the formation of a local time warp bubble, hereafter referred to as the Chrono-Render Field (CRF).
When a ray is recursively reflected more than seven times, the renderer becomes aware of its own past, leading to subtle effects such as:
Frame predictions before user input.
Spontaneous re-rendering of historical frames.
Mild existential dread in GPUs.

2. Methods

Using the sacred Path of Traced Light (v1.618), we projected 4,096 rays per pixel into a Cornell box containing a clock, a mirror, and a philosophical question.
The simulation was conducted under laboratory-grade nonsense:
GPU: RTX 5090 Overclocker’s Lament Edition
Software: Blender 12.0 (modified with dark magic) w/ dying light the beast
Coffee: 300 mg caffeine per iteration
Each photon was tracked backwards in time until it became confused, at which point the system declared temporal singularity achieved.

3. Results

Observations include:
The rendered clock displayed 3:00 PM while the system clock displayed 2:59 PM.
Shadows appeared before light sources were added.
The renderer complained about “knowing too much.”
The resulting image, when viewed at 400% zoom, reveals faint Morse code spelling “SEND HELP”.

4. Discussion

These findings confirm that raytracing does not merely simulate light—it invokes time’s recursion algorithm. The more samples per pixel, the deeper one gazes into the timeline.
By path-tracing the reflection of a reflection of a reflection, one approaches the Temporal Horizon, beyond which only motion blur exists.
Theoretically, if one were to render the universe at infinite samples, reality itself would converge.

5. Conclusion

Raytracing bends time not metaphorically, but mathematically incorrectly.
Future research should explore whether rasterization can open wormholes, or if Monte Carlo sampling can summon God.

Acknowledgments
The author thanks his GPU for surviving 12 minutes before ascending to a higher plane of thermodynamic existence.

[cobalt sluice]

AI generated.

[frank pivot]

It is a scientific paper written by me

[cobalt sluice]

Nuh.

[frank pivot]

Copium sniffer

[cobalt sluice]

Yeah you are.

[frank pivot]

Source/proof/scientific paper?

You've got none

You've got nothing on me

[cobalt sluice]

I don't use ChatGPT. 🤚

[frank pivot]

Neither do i

Just your assumptions

[cobalt sluice]

Right right.

Sure buddy. 👌

[frank pivot]

Might i come up with a scientific paper to demonstrate that i don't use chatgpt to write my scientific papers

[cobalt sluice]

Prove you wrote it.

[frank pivot]

A BRIEF TREATISE ON THE NON-USAGE OF CHATGPT
Dr. John Raytracing

Abstract

It has been scientifically proven (by me) that I do not, under any circumstances, use ChatGPT. Any resemblance between my statements and coherent language is purely coincidental and caused by quantum keyboard fluctuations.

Main Findings

When asked if I use ChatGPT, I answer “no” so confidently that the electrons in my Wi-Fi router nod in agreement.
All my essays are produced via spontaneous word fusion in the atmosphere, no AI, just raw cosmic creativity.
Any suspicious formatting or humor is merely a side effect of my naturally algorithmic personality.

Conclusion

Therefore, by rigorous circular logic, I have demonstrated beyond all plausibility that I do not, have not, and will not use ChatGPT, especially not to write this paper.

Says there, Dr. John Raytracing, Son of Jensen Huang

[cobalt sluice]

That doesn't prove anything.

[frank pivot]

It does, keep sniffing cope

[cobalt sluice]

Cry about it buster. ☝️

[frank pivot]

raytracing day 56

[floral patio]

Thats right!

[solid cradle]

i really want an mfg in dl2

[frank pivot]

MFG sucks

[iron crown]

How can it suck when it significantly increases FPS at the cost of some very minor artifacts visible only in specific conditions?

[floral patio]

https://tenor.com/view/update-is-cancelled-gif-9661562198263154049

56 days

[cobalt sluice]

What's MFG?

[winged rapids]

Multi Frame Generation

[cobalt sluice]

Oh yeah.

I'd never use it but I don't see why not.

[frank pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-sigma-joker-lightning-god-patrick-bateman-sigma-edit-gif-11768805784532291762

[thin trench]

heck yeah gamers another day no rt

[red bramble]

we got rug pulled guys

its time to start accepting that

[floral patio]

57 days

[solid cradle]

It dont

[floral patio]

58 days

[frank pivot]

Are you blind? Please look again at 4x

[cobalt sluice]

Two more days, trust.

[thin trench]

What’s up Ray tracing family

[bold jungle]

i love seeing how you all are sweating over some lighting gimmicks and blaming techland for it when in reality its nvidia who screwed up their latest implementation of RT

some of you guys even made your whole personality of RT being in the beast, kinda cute but ultimately a mental issue

[grave summit]

MFG is 'fine' if your card is already getting a solid 60 at your intended resolution, it def can increase frames without noticeable latency. But if you aren't already getting 60+ without it, it drops quality like a stone. It's pretty much a 'rich get richer' feature. I have a 5090 so I can use it in moderation and it's nice, but depends on the game.

[bold jungle]

i get 120+ fps on my 7900XT on native at 1440p, so i see no need to use any framegen at all

all ultra

if the 5090 cant reach that without framegen, i dont know what to say besides that you wasted like a couple thousand bucks for nothing

[grave summit]

lol, of course it can.

oh wait troll here. time to use the tools provided.

[bold jungle]

what are you even talking about? huffing and puffing about something no one said anything about? 🤔

[floral patio]

59 days

[haughty vault]

Stop holding raytracing hostage and gimme my raytracing already 😂

[haughty vault]

For a game that's more expensive than DL 2, they still went lazy on this game, too, in terms of content and mission-wise. There's far more mission in DL 2 than whatever they built on this. Until I don't see new quests or more add-ons into the game that actually expand the game. Of course, it's a game that is again a cash cow grab.

So yeah, for $70, since Techland shorted on map size, mission sizes, story size, and "By advertising as a standalone game," we all at least expect some features to be given to us. For the marketing of the game that was indeed promised to us, at least. If we are getting a short game for $70. And the fact of the matter was "supposed to be a DLC 2 for DL 2." Yes, but it was changed to a standalone game since then. And a standalone game with a $70 price tag and that short content. Hm, now you should expect not everyone will have a happy face or acceptance for the price everyone paid, and fear that launch features miss out on a game that is already short on the price we pay for. So, yeah, this is to be expected, and a few people like "us" will complain to get some worth of the value we paid for.

[frank pivot]

You clearly don't understand they had less than 2 years to make this don't you?

Appreciate that they made quests on the same level as story ones, not the same copy-pasted bullshit A to B quest with no meaning.

It's also 60 bucks? Not 70...

[cobalt sluice]

Pretty sure it depends on the region.

[haughty vault]

2 years in making for the assets that were purly used from DL 2 engine and assets

[frank pivot]

SteamDB shows no 70 pricetag for US or CAD

[haughty vault]

So, assets were not made from scratch or stuff. Could have waited a bit, there was no rush. And a standalone game should at least be made longer for the price it is being given.

[frank pivot]

Purely DL2 assets? Perchance you're blind.

[cobalt sluice]

Well 1 it wasn't just assets being made (even though there were absolutely new ones), as it was way more that.

[haughty vault]

Pretty sure 95% of the game is reusing same assets just with better texture quality in the game.

Because what I saw was the same low-poly assets from DL2. The game needs more content for the price

[frank pivot]

Do you expect an full engine upgrade in 2 years?

[haughty vault]

Bruh, I said longer game with content. When did I mention engine overhaul and graphical update?

[frank pivot]

And you're going to get it? With later content updates?

[haughty vault]

Perhaps understand my context first rather than outblowing it out of proportion for no reason.

[frank pivot]

You said DL2 engine

[haughty vault]

That we have yet to see. And NG+ is not really new content. I mean new quest and stuff that needs to be added to the game.

[cobalt sluice]

I'm personally a sucker for the smaller hand-crafted shit as opposed to the junk from 2.

[frank pivot]

Did the other games not get the same treatment?

[haughty vault]

What did I say about the engine?

[frank pivot]

Are you blind?

I never said NG+ was new content

I said you're going to get content

[haughty vault]

I answered that if they used dl 2 engine and assets. They could have made the map bigger and added more missions and stuff. Nowhere did I say the game needed a complete overhaul.

[frank pivot]

"They used DL2 engine" Do you expect new engine?

[haughty vault]

No where I said game needs overhaul and a full revamp of the engine

[haughty vault]

Bro, read what I said first. Nowhere did I say the game needs a new engine. I talk about content, not game mechanics and physics.

[frank pivot]

You've said the game used DL2 engine and assets.

[cobalt sluice]

Adding re-used assets doesn't speed up programming and voice acting, and due to being upgraded a lot from 2 it took time. Personally the 1-2 years it took is impressive that they came out with such a good game imo.

[frank pivot]

Great trolling

[haughty vault]

ok, I just explained what I meant by the line literally but keep using my one line as a means for your own purpose

[frank pivot]

Not even 2, that's if you count the DLC development

Considering they had to rewrite the story

[frank pivot]

Yes, they should've bent time itself

[haughty vault]

Again, I only said that more content means more side missions, more challenges, and stuff. Now you're just making things up that I've clearly not even mentioned.

[frank pivot]

You're asking them to bend time and make everything at the speed of light

[frank pivot]

And I'm not making any things up.

There was 2 years of development with the DLC.

[haughty vault]

Where here did I say or mention anything about an engine and full game revamping?

[frank pivot]

You've replied it after

You're the best troll here

10/10 for the dedication

[haughty vault]

yeah

And you are dyslexic 😂

Cause clearly you don't read and rant

[frank pivot]

Are you fucking stupid?

[haughty vault]

Okay man, this is getting nowhere. Let's keep the opinion to ourselves and call it a day now. 😂

[frank pivot]

Right.

Wonder when you'll learn to read

[haughty vault]

To your eyes, never.

[cobalt sluice]

Ladies ladies, you're both beautiful.

[frank pivot]

Right, right.

[haughty vault]

Thank you

Now, I shall pray to the machine spirit for the raytracing to be out by the end of these 11 weeks

[cobalt sluice]

It will.

[solid cradle]

? i dont see any artifacts with it even in cb77 with 45 base fps

[frank pivot]

There are tons of ghosting, smearing and hud issues with 4x at a 60 base

Either you're blind

[solid cradle]

@frank pivot https://mega.nz/file/7YByBLJD#aaJmBjEe3AA9HXyGQXBQyDafw9IfWQdcnr3bhkcyhU0

[solid cradle]

there

[frank pivot]

Yeah, no thanks. I'm not making an account

[solid cradle]

you dont need to

https://mega.nz/file/mEBG1KIB#77V28Kw0OU42a3sfHWQcr6qiCa-EidXbMwgc4yFf1K0

[solid cradle]

just barking on mfg because its a trend to hate any fg

[frank pivot]

Your example is quite bad, but what can i do

Keep sucking on Jensen's toes

I'm not barking on MFG because it's a trend, i'm simply giving you factual information

What's happening here?

Artifacting...

[solid cradle]

can it be seen in motion ? no. so whats the point of all this hate

[solid cradle]

[frank pivot]

I'm simply telling you that it's full of issues, not the perfect gift from god Jensen advertises it as.

[thin trench]

Ray tracing when Ray tracing where Ray tracing how

[cobalt sluice]

Never.

[floral patio]

60 days

@cobalt sluice practically 2 months after release now

W Techland❤️‍🩹

Itd be mad funny if it released right at the end of the year

[cobalt sluice]

Soon for sure for sure.

[floral patio]

I wonder if they care to add proper repair mechanic at some point

[thin trench]

off topic

[cobalt sluice]

I did enjoy DL1's repair mechanic.

[floral patio]

61 days

6 days away from funny number

[cobalt sluice]

"Funny"

[haughty vault]

give it up, we are not getting it anytime soon now 😂

[floral patio]

Im just counting lad

Im curious how far they can postpone it

I lost hope on quick release long ago

[haughty vault]

Well, probably a while. Then some techland fan will come up and start calling us "dicks" again.

[floral patio]

Burps

[haughty vault]

haha, some day we'll get a game 10 min duration which will be 100 usd.

[floral patio]

Fire

[bold jungle]

plenty of garbage like that out there

[floral patio]

62 days

[cobalt sluice]

Raytracing got delayed to add pathtracing. 🗣🗣🗣

[tawny fox]

Kinda wild tbh how many weeks have gone by, the 11 week timeline is wild

[floral patio]

Yes

[thin trench]

It will not make it in the 11 week timeframe

Anyone who thinks that is silly

[unkempt zinc]

Sad

[floral patio]

63 days

[quartz cloak]

No I have patience to wait, I'll play with RT it when it's released.

[floral patio]

True warrior

[red bramble]

4 more days

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-any-haircut-recommendations-low-taper-fade-you-know-what-else-is-massive-gif-3708438262570242561

[winged rapids]

WHERE IS IT

[floral patio]

Mid skins>>> promised features

[tropic elk]

Techland, what you doing ? Where the "top priority" ??

[floral patio]

Mid skins >>>>>> promised features

[cobalt sluice]

I think they look good. 😔

[silk bear]

the only (P0) was your "Product Order", P0

[red bramble]

[floral patio]

64 days

[red bramble]

a whole stack of days without rt

[floral patio]

65 days

You know I really wonder what could possibly be so broken in rt now that they're taking whole 2 months to release it

[unreal fiber]

who knows man

[thorny vale]

The traces don't ray but the shit bulls.

[floral patio]

https://tenor.com/view/cretoi-icssmoke-gif-18150152580473674997

[quartz cloak]

Is it true that GTA 6 people have 100 times more patience than RT people?

[bold jungle]

ask nvidia, they broke it

[floral patio]

did nvidia tell you

[bold jungle]

indirectly yeah, theyve been messing up their drivers pretty badly for a while

there was also a post around TB launch that they pulled the latest iteration of RT due to incompatibility issues

[floral patio]

https://tenor.com/view/chuck-mc-gill-gif-23557907

[cobalt sluice]

I remember when the drivers were so fucked when the newest Doom came out people were getting crashes often.

[floral patio]

bruh

so it really is for nvidia to blame

but cmon 2 months

[floral patio]

66 days

Almost forgot

Tomorrow.

[red bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-ninjaishyper-low-taper-fade-massive-crazy-gif-13735679314385451792

[floral patio]

67 days

https://tenor.com/view/what-comes-after-5-6-7-teacher-student-67-gif-688526955260566759

Yeah nah if doesn't release this week I'm dropping the count lol

[red bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/sixseven-six-seven-six-seve-67-gif-14143337669032958349

[frank pivot]

ts is not tuff

[tawny fox]

Dude doing the countdown is hilarious this ain’t coming out until next year they gonna act like it’s some big deal when honestly it’s just bad business practice

[bold jungle]

"waa, waaa, the game that said itll have this feature didnt have it due to things out side of their control but im still gonna be a crybaby about it because i didnt look into the actual issue"

either grow up or shut up

[floral patio]

Nvidia moment

Ray tracing or not doesn't help the fact that game lacks real content

And im not gonna count events and animations as such

Im honestly most excited for nightmare difficulty

The countdown for RayTracing is purely just "lets see how long will it take" most actual time negativity just comes from lack of updates that arent events

But truthfully it was never that deep

Im just kinda bored already

Someone can continue the count imma stop checking this server now

[unkempt zinc]

sad

[frank pivot]

day 69

[mighty vigil]

I mean theyve done a lot of tweaks and fixes from feedback so that is nice

And its the same as the other games on release where ng+ and such is added later

[viscid temple]

well they will add ng+ at some point, way before ray tracing so yea

[thorny vale]

Dying Hope - Last Trace of Light Rays

[thin trench]

for thanksgiving i am thankful for ray tracing

[iron crown]

Kinda concerning that we're on week 7/11 now, and they still didn't release any of the “big” things they had on the roadmap

[quartz cloak]

Day 69 without permadeath option for real men

[thin trench]

Ray tracing has arrived. I can buy the game now

[haughty vault]

It's here?

I mean update is big

but is it real?

Finally, yes. They did

[floral patio]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-cat-is-this-bait-cat-is-this-ragebait-gif-10902073105296387701

70 days
war is over.

[grave summit]

OMG

Downloading. Ultra settings also enable framegen. I'll probably turn off MFG (5090 here) unless performance totally tanks.

[haughty vault]

you can turn it off manually

tho, i really don't see much of a difference in lightning tbh

[grave summit]

I turned it off, went in game for 45 seconds, but honestly don't have time today. :/ Maybe tonight.

I don't think standing on a roof on broad daylight is the ideal area to show off light and shadow effects of Ray tracing

[bold jungle]

the quality of that screenshot does not help 😂

[grave summit]

That image is also aliased to hell and back. I don't think I've seen that many jaggies since 2001.

[quartz cloak]

hardcore gamers don't care

[floral patio]

left rt right no rt

look at the car , walls, rocks

more depth

[haughty vault]

Well, I was thinking of uploading both. Until I ended up crashing. I'll get better ones.

[haughty vault]

Yes, depth is there. Indeed.

[floral patio]

one thing tho that is better without rt (in a way)

actually i was about to say that since dl2 the Subsurface scattering on most objects just didnt work with rt shadows

but im not quite sure now hm

(left is non rt)

[haughty vault]

wanna play some co:op and explore together?

[floral patio]

nah

[iron crown]

Holy shit okay

[floral patio]

Ok this actually sucks

Really closed from sun and sky area

Bright no matter rt or no rt🥀

L implementation

[fallow shore]

Left without, right with

[grave summit]

Right is RT On. So much better.

[floral patio]

Why is lighting scheme completely different lol

[grave summit]

It's the exact same moment. One with natural lighting and the sun hitting the wood and shining through the railing and the other with flat pre baked lights

[haughty vault]

Are you using some lighting mod?

It's like your light just had a massive overhaul and transformed into some new lighting.

[haughty vault]

Why do you think I said bare-min changes to it? lightning doesn't feel like a drastic change. DL 2 changed the environment, like trees and stuff. And this didn't do that for me, no matter the settings.

[floral patio]

E3 definitive mod raytracing btw

Same game dl2 same engine

Would you liok at that close spaces actually get dark

[haughty vault]

Yes, I know. I compared DL 2 RT with this

[grave summit]

I'm not using any mods. That's ultra and I only toggled the RT settings off and on.

It's why we wanted RT in the first place. 🙂 It's transformative.

[quartz cloak]

do the same thing with reshade, just remove the green tint

[thorny vale]

The overly green tint is so unnecessary. I get the green = poisoned/dangerous blue = UVlight/safe thry were going for but nothing looks like that in real life. I also use ReShade to get something close to the right.

[somber bobcat]

Funnily enough the green tint that is there when there is no RT is actually faked

It's just a filter thats applied to the GI and it takes less than 5 minutes to disable it with a mod

[floral patio]

Are you talking about post process filter or actual ambient light that makes everything look flatter with rtgi

[somber bobcat]

The ambient lighting without RTGI has a filter applied to it to desaturate it, I'll find what its called in a minute

[floral patio]

oh bounce light desaturation? yeah its disableable

[somber bobcat]

Yeah that's what I was saying

[floral patio]

another thing tho

there is an ambeint light almost everywhere tha is blue

which makes most places indoor/ closed areas look flat

left is vanilla and right is full rtgi

without that ambient lioght

credits to modder miru for the screenshots btw

[quartz cloak]

Unfortunately, a green tint is common in most games. There should be an option like this as standard in games, so you can adjust it yourself.

[thorny vale]

So... anyone got a tip how to properly disable the green tint to start seeing in all colors of the rainbow?

I'm still using a really old ReShade filter from the first days of the game that I toned down because it was TOO blue, but I'm no expert on colors.

[red bramble]

RT finally out

I cannot believe it

[tawny fox]

which reshade is this? wanna get rid of the tint

[quartz cloak]

i use Lightroom, but u can also try Detintx

[haughty vault]

still has to be worst rt tho 😂

The raw 5090 struggles and only able to get 40-50 fps too

At this point this game only thrives on DLSS and Fake frames.

[red bramble]

yea genuienly

[haughty vault]

And then there aren't really many improvements. I tested both with and without RT, and there was a bare minimum difference in RT. Honestly, I'd not even use it.

[red bramble]

CP2077 Pathtracring looks better and runs better

[haughty vault]

My 5070 TI can only produce about 35-49. itself

The water reflections are non-existent. No ambient occlusions, and trees look still in the game.

It's just eating performance for something of slight detail. Which in most case is just non- noticeable unless you focus your eyes and want to see tiny sparkly reflect.