Guns really need attachments

[halcyon crescent]

Found out why guns feel mid, you can't modify them like melee, so they need attachments.

My suggestion is 3 base attachment points, plus a 4th for the AR and SMG.

Barrel: things like suppressors, compensators, and elemental damage. (suppressor makes it quiter, compensators reduce recoil, and elemental damage adds a % of elemental damage.)

Sight: different optics, these increse accuracy but nothing else.

Mag(shotgun doesn't have): can be swapped to extended mags or stub mags that slow down or speed up reload at ammo cost, example a pistol can have a 30 round extended with 10% slower reload a 60 round drum at 50% slower or a 10 round stub at 25% faster reload.

---

Underbarrel: unique to the AR, this allows it to attach a UV flashlight, grenade launcher, shotgun, foregrip, bayonet, or flamethrower. these alt weapons replace bash so watch out.

[halcyon crescent]

an idea example for the supressor.

CAnn suppressor, has X durability. when it runs out the gun is no longer supressed and you need to craft a new one. This would be the same to all barrel mods and mag mods. each only lasts a specific ammount of "shots/reloads" so use them wisely.

that would also allow them to upgrade propperly.

[light tinsel]

this is not fortnite

[halcyon crescent]

So lets say the suppressor for example.

has 6 levels.

level 1
noise reduction: 50%
lasts: 30 shots.

level 2
noise reduction: 50%
lasts: 45 shots

level 3
Noise reduction: 75%
lasts 75 shots

level 4
Noise reduction: 75%
lasts: 90 shots

level 5
Noise reduction: 80%
lasts 105 shots

level 6
noise reduction: 90%
Lasts 120 shots

[light tinsel]

bruh this aint fortnite

no attachments

shit

this is old villedor

[halcyon crescent]

fortnight doesn't have gun attachements.

[light tinsel]

yes it does

[halcyon crescent]

Well I have never played that trash game. and take your this is not fortnight somewhere else.

[light tinsel]

your making it sound like this

anyway nobody is gonna listen to your idea

guns dont need attachments

selfish greedy boy

[halcyon crescent]

... Actually in my mind they do, but that is an opinion.

you don't need to spam yours in ways as to insult.

Just makes you look like a child.

[light tinsel]

shut up

furry ass

[spark kiln]

underbarrel's a cool idea, but i don't think the rest is needed

[halcyon crescent]

suppressors at the least.

[spark kiln]

except for maybe the suppressor

yeah

[short dagger]

[halcyon crescent]

But yeah, underbarrels for the rifle, and suppressors would be the main one.

[halcyon crescent]

Guava's posts.

[short dagger]

you can dislike idea, and stil be respectful about it just saying

i know.

[charred bloom]

i want the attachments, it will make the gunplay feel better

[halcyon crescent]

AT the min I would say rifles would be the "tactical" weapon where you can mod it while the others are they come as they are, pistols, SMGS, and Rifles, can get suppressors, shotguns elemental damage?

Shotguns should really have ammo swapping like crossbows.

because it is what shotguns are known for.

[halcyon crescent]

agreed, even if some attachements are just prefex stuff like sights.

[spark kiln]

even if they dont come to the game, i feel like gunplay still feels good

just my opinion

[halcyon crescent]

would make buying more guns useful as you might get a better sight that you like.

[halcyon crescent]

agreed, love how the pistol, shotgun, and rifle feel. really don't like the SMG though.

[spark kiln]

i've really only tested out the pistol and smg so far, still have yet to unlock the rest

[halcyon crescent]

Also guns seem to do a lot more damage on headshot as they are one shotting things they shouldn't at their damage.

[charred bloom]

[halcyon crescent]

A pistols damage should 2 shot a viral on easy they one shot all but the green spitter ones.

[charred bloom]

[light tinsel]

dislike idea

rubbish

[spark kiln]

cool opinion

[light tinsel]

cya

[charred bloom]

have a nice day, you wont be missed

[hexed whale]

I haven't fired a single shot, and never will. 100% melee here

[spark kiln]

thats fair

im also a melee fan

[halcyon crescent]

How about this for similified ideas.

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Barrel mods: all weapons can equip barrel mods, but barrel mods have durability.

the default ones are : suppressor, and bayonet.

Supressor reduces noise, being nearly completely silent at full upgrade, bayonet allows you to do stabing bashes for 500 damage. both have 30 durability at low end and 120 at full upgrade.

Sights: these are a random prefex that effects range, example bellow.

glow: no bonuses
red dot: +5% headshot damage, +10% accuracy
holo: +10% headshot damage, +5% accuracy
green dot: +5% damage to specials, +10% headshot damage
glass optics: +1.2x aim "zoom", +25% headshot damage.

Underbarrel
unique to rifles, these are a secondary weapon that replaces the bash, rifles can not have bayonet and underbarrel for this reason.

examples
flamethrower: has 30 rounds of internal fuel, breaks after all is used(is removed from gun.)
40mm: fires a 1000 damage explosive, ammo is expensive from the vendor.
shotgun: double barrel punch uses shotgun ammo.
heavy bayonet: 750 melee hit.
foregrip: increased accuacy.
UV light: blinds enemies has 30 seconds of battery before needs replaced doesn't recharge like the hand held version.

[halcyon crescent]

melee is the best yes, but guns should be just as interesting for those who like them.

[spark kiln]

definitely makes guns feel a lot more interesting, i like the idea 👍

[halcyon crescent]

You know a good bundle to have now that we have guns.

UN TACTICAL PACK
based on the pre fall PK

includes a unique ranged heavy armor set, a charm that increases chance to find SMG ammo. and an MP5 style SMG.

as this is more just a gun topic posting this here as well.

[river jackal]

i dont care about attachments but i support this so i can put an onion on a shotgun

[halcyon crescent]

would be nice ot have a few meme attachements like that hidden in the world.

Like that, a chainsaw bayonet.

bird skull sighted weapon, etc.

[hexed whale]

When will the option be able to dismantle firearms. because i don't want pistol we got automatically. It destroys the DNA of the game. and ruins the game for me.

[halcyon crescent]

You can just put it in your stash and pretend Aiden brought it with him, but ran out of ammmo.

[hexed whale]

do you understand badly? I don't want it either in inventory or stash

[halcyon crescent]

I wouldn't say it ruins the DNA of the game, as that is well set, and it shows how good the melee combat is, that Aiden is given a gun, and goes "this is great." "but I like this" while holding up a big F all knife.

[hexed whale]

do you understand badly? for me it does

[halcyon crescent]

Why? why does have the option ruin the DNA?

[hexed whale]

guns= fortnite

[spark kiln]

so.. dying light 1 is fortnite?

[halcyon crescent]

So DL1 was fortnight? so Doom is fortnight, so bloodborn is fortnight?

[river jackal]

if i had a penny for every time somebody said fortnite in this thread I'd have atleast 8 cents, but it's weird it happened that many times

[halcyon crescent]

hey half of those where one guy.

[river jackal]

true

[hexed whale]

It was nothing personal against you. and now I found a mod so I could dismantle my gun.

[halcyon crescent]

you where not the problem. look early in the topic.

[low chasm]

someone got angy about how his own opinion sounded childish

[halcyon crescent]

Don't give the child attention please.

They already left the topic don't bring htem back.

[desert hedge]

idk, supressors make bows and crossbow useless, i think the only gun attachment that should be in the game is elemental ammo types, ammo inventory is limited enough so it should be something you equip on the gun and not like a elemental arrow. What is the point of a underbarrel UV flashlight if you can use one while shooting already? underbarrel 40mm? thats basically a grenade launcher, and aiden can throw 30 grenades that scatter already. did you say you want a double barrel shotgun mounted to a rifle? that would look cursed lol

[halcyon crescent]

on the last one it is called a master key, and they are a real attachement.

but none of them would make the base items useless, neither would suppressors as bows have their own niche.

[desert hedge]

then why not just add a separate double barrel shotgun? that would be even better imo. bows are supposed to be stealthy, and supressors are supposed to make a gun stealthy, therefore they would fill the same niche, rendering bows useless (guns deal more damage etc)

[halcyon crescent]

Bows have a niche of easily made ammo, and a different function in direct combat.

Also we can have both a double barrel and an unslung one.

Actually I just realized outside of the shotgun, giving guns elemental effects would likely be a bad idea, as that is the bow and crossbows main niche now, ranged elemental damage.

[halcyon crescent]

Like just imagine the following.

LEver action rifle: 8 round tube, slower firing rate but higher damage, comes at a cost of slow reload an fire time.

Revolver: 6 rounds high damage and heavy weakpoint crit bonus, but slower to fire.

PP7-bizon: 64 round SMG, high rate of fire and good damage, more accurate then the standard SMG but slower to reload and slower fire rate.

double barrel shotgun: already planned don't need to suggest.

Mp5: 3 round burst SMG, more accurate high fire rate SMG, good all rounder has a built in UV under mount light.

p90: top tier SMG, uses rifle AMMO though, 50 round mag, high rate of fire and accuracy, ignores a % of enemy resistances.

some weapon suggestions.

[low chasm]

Yes. Just yes. Ilove wild west weapons like that

[halcyon crescent]

Oh and some enemy/ally suggestions once guns get out there.

ENEMY

Renegade gunner
weapon: crude SMG, civilian shotun (both items that cna be scrapped only start appearing after the quest to get guns. and only after a side mission where you hear that the renegade renegades(waltz's men) have stolen a shipment to the fisheye.)

crude SMG: 15 round SMG, uses pistol ammo, pistol class weapon.
Civilian shotgun: 3+1 round shotgun, comes in normal and sawn off, lower damage then the unlock one.

Renegade sniper
weapon: Rifle with an optic, and stub mag
note: like the gunner only seen after the quest suggested in teh gunner.

weapon: DMR, rifle 10 rounds semi auto, heavy weakpoint bonus, armed with an acog like sigh, no scope.

---

Ally:PK

PK Elite officer
weapon: pistol/revolver
info: some of the first to request guns once htey returned where PK soldiers, though comand is actually telling them not to get them.

PK sniper
weapon: PK light crossbow (single bolt.)
info: start appearing once you give the PKs enough areas to unlock the crossbow, are armed with single bolt crossbows.

---

Ally: Civilian

Fisheye guard
info: seen on the ground level of the fisheye once the guns go live, 4 of these guys will stand guard during the day, two during night. they are armed with shotguns.

Gun happy survivor
info: a rescue target that can spawn, this survivor is using a pistol and well are in an overwelming situation, as they stand on a vehicle. biters around them. will give pistol ammo once saved, stating they didn't know firing it would draw more of the things.

---

[eternal pivot]

Idk about attachments but Gunslinger bundle should have nice old revolver

[halcyon crescent]

Oh I think there should be a story beat where the PK refuse to actively arm their soldiers with guns once they return. Sure soldiers can trade for their own but they shouldn't actively get them. Reason being. force multipliers are good in human vs human but when dealing with the infected they just bring the swarms leading to wasted ammo and time. a spear or crossbow is safer.

That said civilians should openly endorce them, and more then a few should come out with ones they have hidden after the quest.

Like a job board where a guy has a collection of old m1 grands he kept hidden and is giving them out to anyone who is willing to clear out a few demolishers.

Got a few job board ideas involving guns. I personally think civilians should go for them with open arms, while the PK command actually avoids guns, sure PKS would get them and try to get them but command would see the trouble they can cause. guns are loud, swords are not. even a well suppressed 9mm is louder then a crossbow.

but job board ideas that only appear once guns return.

"museum clear out"

Anyone wanting some old school firepower, I have a few functioning m1 grands I Was able to hide, sadly with out ammo they where useless now, well here is the deal I have two demolishers outside my house, bring them down and I will give you one of these old weapons of war. First come first serve, no PKS."

---

Family collection

"Looking for anyone who is willing to go into the chemical zone. job is simple there is a safe with my fathers revolver in it, the military didn't get it but the bombs did. While I doubt it works, with the ammo back, IT could be repaired."

reward: 50 toxic bolts, and a unique hand crossbow. (uses pistol animations.)

more detail on the job board ideas.

[fringe latch]

I feel like there should be attachments but there shouldn't be durability unless its one you craft on your own

Like a supressor for each ammo type

Infected supressor

Flaming supressor

Frozen supressor

[halcyon crescent]

I don't think that really makes sense.

personally the more I think about it the more I think only shotguns should have ammo types as to keep bows and crossbows in their main place.

Also supressors shouldn't be as quite as bows.

[analog tusk]

Attachements would be cool, based idea

[flint arrow]

I definetly second the idea of gun attachments

My main caviat with the PK crossbow for example is the atrocious sight. Being able to swap it for bare irons would be great, and disposable supressors would be very welcome

Or make military supressors that are durable but only work with subsonic ammo

like in dying light 1

[marble shore]

I'd say for the makeshift guns only as it allows for more variety and considering the modern guns are old and rusty it may not fit well but thats just make take on it. While i think if modifications drop, there should be a bonus but at a cost

So if you want faster reload speed, the clip may be smaller

[halcyon crescent]

Modifications have been confirmed apparently, but I missed the memo.

[marble shore]

Im moreso speaking on how it should be implemented in my opinion

[halcyon crescent]

ah yeah.

They should have trade offs, like you want a suppressor on your gun, your gun now does 10% less damage.

[gritty osprey]

Unrealistic but makes sense

[halcyon crescent]

yeah, at least it is better then the dumb games that make suppressors reduce weapon range... when suppressors some times increase it.

[light tinsel]

bro

this idea

can

u add like a cheese attachment

to it

[gritty osprey]

Most of the time they do

Because they recycle the gas

[halcyon crescent]

Why do you keep attacking the modrators, and forum users?

[light tinsel]

wolf go outside

[analog tusk]

Trying to be edgy

[marble shore]

Dont engage, just move on. He didnt like my joke im sorry

[halcyon crescent]

Nah he got warned earlier in this topic for doing that.

[light tinsel]

i guess gun might need attachemnt less recoil

[marble shore]

Oh ok

[light tinsel]

scope

[marble shore]

He needs a break then

Done

Anyways

I want attachments to have tradeoffs for sure

[halcyon crescent]

Most the time they increase range?

[marble shore]

Dont want it to be full on OP

[halcyon crescent]

or decress sorry hard to tell from wording.

[marble shore]

The guns are already good as they are so makeshift could be weaker but give better attachment options to make them strong for the grind

[analog tusk]

I think the attachments should be makeshift. Scopes made out of glass bottles and bent metal, suppressors made out of soda cans, things like that. Old World attachments should be rare loot you can get from military loot places

On that note, TL should add makeshift guns with craftable ammo but are worse overall, while the Old World guns and ammo is the best available

[halcyon crescent]

Example the grenade launcher and UV light ones for the rifle on trade offs.

GL, no longer have block as that is replaced with firing the grenade, also the increase in weapon weight means less accuracy.

UV light, no longer have block as that is replaced with its UV light, hmm what would be a good down side for that.

[gritty osprey]

Some don't have the inner rifling to recycle the gas

[halcyon crescent]

ah ok.

Anyway I still think sights should work like the prefixes for the guns.

[analog tusk]

Oooh, a UV Light attachment would be a cool idea.

Maybe it increases recoil because the UV Light and battery for it is weighty

[marble shore]

How would that work differently tho?

[halcyon crescent]

this is where my attachment ideas are.

[marble shore]

U could just hold middle mouse for a UV light

[halcyon crescent]

the UV light on the gun has a limited charge once it is out it is out but you can keep it on for that ful lcharge.

like lets say 45 seconds of UV light, unlike the 10 you get with the flashlight, but once it is out you need to make a new UV light attachement.

[analog tusk]

Instead of needing to make a new one, you can just reload the attachment with a battery

[halcyon crescent]

ITs advantage would be longer UV light up time but at a cost of limited battery that doesn't recharge.

[marble shore]

Ohhh ok

[halcyon crescent]

that would be quite expensive, but yeah both versions of it would be basicly that.

[analog tusk]

Unrelated but the normal flashlight should have limited charge that you refill with a battery

[halcyon crescent]

Likely coming with nightmare mode..

[marble shore]

BOO

[analog tusk]

If it comes with flashlight inertia and no longer looks like I'm carrying the least powerful truck LED headlight on my shoulder, I'm good

[marble shore]

I hope so

[halcyon crescent]

But yeah I really think the attachement points should be as follows.

Muzzle (suppressors, range from ones thato nly reduce noise by 25% to 90% only bows should be completely silent.)

Sight (prefix swapping)

Mag (short, for faster reload, drum for slower but more ammo.)

Shotgun unique: ammo swapping.

AR unique: Under barrel, (things like laser sight, UV, GL, flamethrower, etc.)

[analog tusk]

Give me dragons' breath rounds for shotguns or give me death

[marble shore]

Dragon breath rounds >:3

OMG

[analog tusk]

AYO

[marble shore]

GREAT MINDS STINK ALIKE

[analog tusk]

Get tf out of my brain, you stinky dog

[halcyon crescent]

elemental rounds would be nice for the shotgun.

Dragons breath: fire

flechettee: bleed

explosive: explosive

beanbag: stagger

Taser shell: electric.

[marble shore]

raaahhh

[halcyon crescent]

https://www.defensemedianetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/XREP_01-web-lr.jpg

Taser shotgun shells are a real thing.

[analog tusk]

THOSE ARE AN ACTUAL THING???

[halcyon crescent]

YES

[analog tusk]

I love America so much lmao

[halcyon crescent]

https://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2009/07/taser-x121.jpg

This is the weapon they go to.

[analog tusk]

Whoever designed a tazer shotgun shell is my hero

[halcyon crescent]

Oh pepperball rounds for toxic.

[marble shore]

Thats sick

[halcyon crescent]

SEriously if it exists there is a shotgun shell for it.

Reminder frag shells are a real thing.

[hexed whale]

and cast shadow

[marble shore]

Theres many types of shells

[analog tusk]

THAT TOO

[halcyon crescent]

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-97624bf422e40ea3d576ab0a65d79e52-lq

Example here is the frag-12 shotgun shell.

[analog tusk]

[marble shore]

Dang thats thick

[halcyon crescent]

https://imgb.ifunny.co/images/b78e2732fb916154f25f67af95183c01c6d2c5e3ddf040b79766295479d43ea3_1.webp

And yes that is an API shotgunshell.

[analog tusk]

Glorious

[halcyon crescent]

Shotguns should be the only gun with different ammo types.

Buckshot: standard
Frag-12: explosive
taser: electric
Flechette: bleed
Dragons breath: FIRE
beanbag: stagger
pepperball: toxic
DSAPI: Crit/fire

[analog tusk]

Also add slug rounds to make shotguns into a precise, head-exploding machine

[halcyon crescent]

Breecher: rare expensive, allows you to break all but very hard locks.

[halcyon crescent]

frag-12 fills that roll I think.

[analog tusk]

Could just add a functionality of shooting a locked container with a shotgun having a chance to open the lock

No need for an extra ammo type for that

[halcyon crescent]

would have it based on ammo type used then, like using a frag-12 has a higher chance then flechette.

Shotguns just fit that a tool for the trade roll.

Also a double barrel would likely be more useful when it comes to ammo swapping then the combat. Because the combat likely would need an unload animation when swapping ammos.

[analog tusk]

Another attachment we could add could actually be removing something from the gun. Like, with shotguns, you can cut off the stock or shorten the barrel to increase the handling of the weapon; increasing its fire rate and reload speed but increasing its recoil a lot

[halcyon crescent]

makes sense but that isn't an attachment you cna really undo.

[abstract igloo]

Gun attachments and some support on console since my aiming on console is dogshit lmao

[lofty linden]

ah yes, because Fortnite invented weapon attachments...

[lyric lodge]

no games with gun attachments released before fornite invented the idea, its simply the truth

[left siren]

look at the conversation he replied to

[lyric lodge]

I was joking

[left siren]

mb fam

[halcyon crescent]

Still one thing about attachments is balance will have to be head. Like suppressors are a must, but they can't out do bows.

[hexed whale]

How are suppressors supposed to work when Tymon has said that guns should make noise and should attract virals and others

[halcyon crescent]

Noise reduction not removal.

So the bow its 100% silent, a suppressory could reduce noise by like 80% for a good one, with as low as 20% reduction at the low end.

think of it this way.

100% silent weapon: almost no chance to summon virals on a kill, low chance to summon on hit from infected reaction.

80% silent weapon: has a low chance to summon virals (like 10%) that increases per shot fired in a short time span. 5% per shot increase)

60% silent weapons: have a moderate chance to summon virals (30%) that increases per shot fired in a short time span (5% per shot.)

40% suppressed weapons: has a moderate chance to sommon virals (30%) that increase per shot fired (10% per shot)

20% hushed weapons: 50% chance to summon virals.

none suppressed guns, 95% chance that any shot can call virals to your location or start a chace at night.

note the calling of virals would have a cool down of like 120 seconds.

The quieter the gun is the more shots you can get off before alerting virals, or at night volitiles.

Where as bows never have to worry about this.

[hexed whale]

I have nothing against the idea. but on Nightmare difficulty, silencer should be disabled.

[halcyon crescent]

I wouldn’t disable it instead give it durability that means you only get a handful of shots

[hexed whale]

It would be fun if we got a horde mode similar to the one in "alien fireteam elite" where each wave gets harder and harder. That's something I miss in the game

[halcyon crescent]

Something tells me that will be the tower raids.

[low chasm]

Same here, think tower raids will do that, but what loot would it give? I thought at first it was gonna be guns but now that guns were added what now?

[hexed whale]

I'm not interested in the loot myself, I'm only interested in harder replayability content, that's reward for me.

[wheat fiber]

the game have snipers? i want to become a sniper 😦

[halcyon crescent]

Game doesn't have snipers, for two reasons.

1. it doesn't fit the gameplay loop
2. game has a max range where things become simulated.

[brave snow]

ngl, it would be hilarious being able to no-scoping a volatile in a chase

[halcyon crescent]

Use the scorpio.

[brave snow]

fair enough

[brave snow]

still

sniper

we ned sniper

[analog lichen]

suppressor yes more damage yes the other stuff is not neccesarry...

[fringe latch]

I feel like for the tower raid we might get infected weapons or guns or another thought a thing that allows us to be resistant to thv or the broom

Many things could come for the tower raid. New guns, new ways to travel, or new ways to become resistant to turning or something thats speed up the process

Like a type of stim that allows you to become a volatile for 3 to 6 minutes

Honestly nobody knows

Maybe a new character might help us in the raids?

[halcyon crescent]

Anyone else think GRE anomaly loot buildings should have a large ammo locker? like a tall locker that contains 4 packs of ammo.

https://www.secureitgunstorage.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/SEC-78-2424-4S_4-2.jpg

Something like this, with the middle and lower having ammo pick ups at random.

The top can have batteries.

[flint arrow]

eh

not ammo necessarily but a Very Hard lockpick locker would be nice

[hexed whale]

Almost every idea he has is to make the game easier.

[iron quarry]

For real and somethings getting asked you know won't happen

[halcyon crescent]

Actually agree with that, even if it doesn't have ammo an ammo locker with a very hard lockpick would be nice.... I need a lockpick sink.

[halcyon crescent]

I am one for having easier options to combat, while the harder ones remain, as a sort of dynamic difficulty where not only does game world difficulty mater but so does how you play.

[hexed whale]

We can only hope that events do not force us to use firearms. As they have done now locked bounty behind firearms. Hope I can buy the Nocturnal tribal machete later.

[halcyon crescent]

Sounds like you just don't like change.... because guns are not that OP, infact I would say they are a bit UP. bows and crossbows are better in almost every way.

[obtuse canopy]

Hell naw he- he- HELL NAW

[halcyon crescent]

???

[halcyon crescent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1068604142404239430/1213588115835457657/IRA_Suppressor.png?ex=65f60502&is=65e39002&hm=e484a653d5224b003e590fdfc4ed78ab623f861632e319291eeac1b2f035289e&

oh the spud silencer is real.

[analog tusk]

[halcyon crescent]

Single shot silenced pistol, yeah tracks.

would so be something I can see a Renegade using.

[fringe latch]

i hope we can get some new guns from the raid or a new outfit

like a night hunter outfit

[wheat fiber]

supressor plz

[halcyon crescent]

Guns really need more options per type, as well as some wild cards.

Like melee they are a main weapon type.

Bows and crossbows have the advantage of ammo types, (guns shouldn't be given that outside of the shotgun.) and being silent.

Though we do need som more bows....

https://www.amazon.com/Archery-Whipshot-Automatic-Repeating-Compound/dp/B0B8NXPMDN

A repeating bow might be nice.

https://steambow.com/products/fenris

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8A_lZ0hoy4&t=1s

Imagine having this as an option.

[fringe latch]

@halcyon crescent do you know what cloakers are

Because that looks like a weapon that would be like a mythical weapon

[halcyon crescent]

No

[fringe latch]

This thing

That bow look like this thing would use it

[hexed whale]

I hope Tower raid gives us a real challenge, and that it also utilizes nightmare mode, what I miss is permadeath option for hardxcore players like me

[fringe latch]

But i imagine in the tower raid we will have to fight a boss zombie and i feel like that might connect to how aidens volatile powers work

[halcyon crescent]

ah damn now I Want an outfit like the cloaker with a repeating bow.

And maybe an SMG.

[fringe latch]

Yeah

[low chasm]

Flea SMG:

That was Super fun playing DL1 and getting flea smg first thing in the following at water plant

[low chasm]

Honestly, the cloaker would have been better with Payday bundle as a Side Skin to it

[marble shore]

I'll leave only 2 threads up as there was a healthy discussion but as pirek said, this is only for DL2 support. Appreciate the ideas❤️

no more disscussion plz