Lmfao, fun
#🧬︱bethezombie
vocal cosmos
carmine solar
These are the struggles
lean heart
@orchid oak Killing hunter with firearms is quite slow, unless they're sort of cheating in one or another way.
plain wave
yeah i only use guns if the NH escapes with like 5% hp
honest gate
isn't crossbows better?
lean heart
You have more chances of missing with bow or crossbow compared to firearms.
honest gate
against a good night hunter, firearm kills wouldn't be common i would've thought
plain wave
xbows do more damage per shot yes
orchid oak
well, my shootgun one hits demolishers tho
lean heart
If hunter is good with mobility / uses tendril sprint, crossbow and bows become more easy to miss with.
plain wave
^^
honest gate
depends on the range too
plain wave
i use a military rifle to guarantee hits in
orchid oak
xD
honest gate
some really good survivors can hit hunters with crossbows
orchid oak
i hit everything with crossbows :P
honest gate
the arrow drop is a bit too harsh in this game imo
honest gate
i forgot how the crossbow drop works
plain wave
only normal xbows
lean heart
Crossbows don't drop.
plain wave
upgraded xbows dont
orchid oak
i never used normal bow
plain wave
when i say xbow i mean crossbow
orchid oak
my xbow doesnt drop, the harran bow aswell
honest gate
but bozak horde is just too troublesome for me
lean heart
4,900 with 25 points into Bow skill from Legend skill-tree, 5,500 Ranger bow.
plain wave
^^
lean heart
It's not noticeable though.
orchid oak
but without legend skills
honest gate
my bow only does around 300 damage
orchid oak
and you can put 3 kings in it
lean heart
I think 360 for Bozak, I don't remember.
honest gate
wait
orchid oak
dunno if the upgrade affect damage tho
honest gate
is the range on bozak better?
orchid oak
maybe
plain wave
the upgrade does affect damage @orchid oak
lean heart
Ranger is slightly better.
lean heart
Arrows go farther with Bozak / Ranger bow compared to regular bow.
plain wave
i dont really use bow to snipe
orchid oak
dunno if bozak has that
honest gate
i mean
plain wave
i just use it for medium to close range against zombies
orchid oak
yeah, all about if you can kill nh with a ranged weapon
lean heart
You can kill hunter with ranged weapon of course, it just depends on how good hunter is, how good you are with that particular weapon, etc.
orchid oak
i felt like my shootgun with 1400 dmg isnt usual
lean heart
Many pro survivors go with crossbow.
2000 or 9000 damage doesn't matter to hunter, if you mean using it against it. It does fixed damage.
So just switch to bow or crossbow.
honest gate
i notice crossbow is great for firing on nests when you have horde spit on you
lilac oriole
Posion bolting nests is one of the better ways
plain wave
do the nests take extra damage over time with poison
lilac oriole
Pretty sure they do
plain wave
i mean it should
and doesnt poison bolts affect the hunter?
like i heard it stops the NH from doing something because of the damage tick
lilac oriole
I along with alot of players start nests with a posion bolt then into tackle slicing with fire and electric weapon
It deals ongoing damage to hunter so they don't regen
plain wave
i do all of that minus the poison bolt, will try doing that too
lilac oriole
It's definitely one of the faster ways without water nearby
carmine solar
I believe the bolts are glitched atm where if the hunter is beyond a certain range it doesn't do the DoT but I'm not sure
tidal glade
ya, fear said the same
tidal glade
who wants to invade me
lime delta
i'd be batpoop fast... need to do some "training" again :p
fathom sparrow
@rose scaffold
Keep swinging, Humans would most likely continuously use their Survivor Sense to know your location.
Use your UV spit more often. I'd suggest spitting it at a group of survivors when they least expect it. If they're all affected by the spit, pounce at the person that you think is a stronger opponent.
Make the Horde distract the Humans. It's be great as their attention would be to the Horde rather than you. That gives you a great opportunity to attack the one most distracted.
Or just go to this link here: http://dyinglight.wikia.com/wiki/Be_The_Zombie
lean heart
Check out the pinned messages 😃
honest gate
Yea there's plenty of people don't use uv enough
fathom sparrow
Oh.
rose scaffold
i cant play hunter
fathom sparrow
Oof.
rose scaffold
most people are too high leveled
lean heart
@rose scaffold Check out the pinned messages, there are two guides, one for human and another for hunter. Very well detailed and explained with advanced techniques that'll be useful.
rose scaffold
or use cheated stuff
honest gate
Khopesh is useful
honest gate
It's good to have a Khopesh
You can get one from prison or stores
Well for stores yes
But prison I would assume so
lean heart
Exceptional or Premium Oriental for longest range Khopesh version by the way.
honest gate
^
rose scaffold
both the same or?
lean heart
If you want a Gold-tier quickly then open dockets at Survivor skill-tree rank 19.
Premium Oriental has different skin and more damage.
Both same range.
rose scaffold
ah
honest gate
If it were me, I would use oriental unless exceptional has benefits
Since I would think oriental would also be better suited for general purpose use
lean heart
But that's a little addition. Most important thing in invasions is mechanical skills, muscle memory and decent awareness of surroundings. Which you gain from playing hundred + hours, don't expect to be good in a mere few to several hours.
honest gate
^
lean heart
I'd suggest 2vs1, it's more fun.
honest gate
^
lean heart
But 1vs1 is also a decent choice, you should mix it.
honest gate
Also learning the basics of how hunter works in the tutorial can give you a bit of game sense
lean heart
1vs1 might be a bit more stressing since you're alone and the outcome of match is solely depends on you. 2vs1 is a lot of fun with friend, I wouldn't suggest playing 3vs1 or 4vs1, if you play make sure it's with friends who are a bit good at invasions, it's chaosy and you'll be absolutely obliterated if the hunter is decent.
honest gate
Or if you have the patience and persistence, being hunter vs survivors can maybe teach you things you did not know
rose scaffold
2v1 seems fun
rose scaffold
what for the 4th equipment slot
honest gate
I don't really know too much for survivor equipment
But uv flashlight, hook, boosters and flares are my picks
Zaid's flares are a must have
lean heart
Grappling hook, UV flashlight and flares are absolute necessary. Fourth can be either firecrackers (Will save you or your friends from horde in dangerous spots.) or shield.
honest gate
Wouldn't impact bolts or explosive arrows serve same purpose?
lean heart
Perhaps on nests, but I never used it in invasions.
fathom sparrow
A'ight.
honest gate
I can see it being useful to blow up explosives quickly
lean heart
Explosive arrows can be good to finish hunters escaping with low hp, but probably not so helpful in high level matches.
lean heart
And maybe shurikens, I don't know. I'd say shield or firecrackers are more useful.
honest gate
But boosters generally apply to all situations
lean heart
Many pro survivors use crossbow.
honest gate
If your good with a crossbow
You can get kills on nh
And I think toxic bolts on nests are useful
Crossbows even without toxic can help damage nests while having horde spit
Helps with goons too
fathom sparrow
Thank you for the wisdom.
honest gate
your welcome
lean heart
I find bow better against nests and goons but that's just me. Either Bozak or Ranger bow, especially with its rapid fire method (Kick after firing arrow and immediately start holding on attack, allows firing faster.) It helps better than a crossbow in fast paced matches against experienced hunters who are very good with tendril sprinting.
As of nests, I use charged attack with non crafted two handed weapon which does massive damage to nest, cancel it with grappling hook or by switching into bow, then either tackle + slice or crouched knife with electric effect, more useful when it's raining at last nest or live.
honest gate
the strats
solemn patrol
i think hunter in 4v1 is far more powerful than 2v1 and 1v1?not sure
honest gate
yes
he is
his spits charge faster according to wiki
also are lag switchers common in btz guys?
lean heart
Spits recharge faster, as well as more health, more potential zombies near nests and more nests.
honest gate
since apparently the guy i was fighting failed to authenticate
and his internet was just on and off
lean heart
I personally don't have a bad experience with lag in invasions. Rarely there's hunter lagging, but mostly it's fine.
honest gate
well its the survivor for me
like i was beating him and then all of the sudden
he started lagging
sacred cipher
Is it possible that when the Hunter Ground Pounded you off a building that he then elbow strikes u while u are in mid air?
I had this a lot of times
dont know what to do
lean heart
It's possible.
You can try to grapple and then quickly cancel it, that should evade the tackle mid air.
Have quick swap keys set up, switch into grappling hook, grapple something and then cancel it with Crouch key.
honest gate
You know what’s truly one of the scariest things about this mode, when your going to a nest and the night hunter uses the anti-UV spit, so your just running for your life and then you get pounced
plain wave
thats why its good to predict a hunter to spit at the nest while youre hitting it
or use a shield if you cant dodge it in time
honest gate
Ya, man night hunters are scarier than I think was intended XD
plain wave
once you play as NH itd be easier to understand what a hunter player thinks
honest gate
I have a few times, I usually tend to trap people in buildings or certain areas where it’d be easy to kill em
Is it just me or is BTZ almost completely dead for matchmaking on xbox
dusky kindle
its dead because most console players are casual af
so as soon as the big “NIGHT HUNTER” thing shows up they up and exit the game because either A) they dont know how to turn off invasions or B) you’re a higher skill level than they are and they dont want a challenge
honest gate
That moment in BTZ when an asshole survivor uses flares absolutely everywhere
lean heart
Flares can't be spammed, you have GP which doesn't have cooldown, practice on using it better in right places and flares will never be an issue for you.
tidal glade
anyone wanne invade us?
carmine solar
I would but not PC :(
vocal cosmos
4 hours ago
carmine solar
Ye
vocal cosmos
Told you
tidal glade
:)
rose scaffold
Do any weapon modifications affect the nh?
lean heart
No.
lean heart
I don't know I don't use it in invasions.
rose scaffold
i would assume they do very little damage
plain wave
now i want to test that
rose scaffold
me too
stark acorn
@here what does btzombie mean?
lean heart
Be the zombie game mode.
stark acorn
Ohhhhhh
lean heart
Main Menu > Play > Be The Zombie, you load as hunter and invade other players.
stark acorn
Thank you
lean heart
Also invasions as a human which you enable and get invaded by hunter.
spare bridge
That barely actually work at low levels (I take it). I can't get any invasions to go.
dusky kindle
youre better off not trying it at low levels because you dont have all the skills unlocked
bronze patrol
Invasions at low levels is fine. You just cant do as many combos as youd like due to lack of all the skills. It is good practice though.
Plus playing with 100 HP is the best [:
thick galleon
Can we all agree that people playing in normal are the most annoying? got a guy down almost dead, swing away for literally 3 seconds and hes already full health. 😠
he wasnt even bad either, he was pretty decent but that damn heal was the only thing making him survive.
honest gate
Agreed
cold python
If you come across any cheaters in BTZ, and have viable evidence please feel free to post it in the linked discord. Please don't harass or shame them for it, as they're only human 
https://discord.gg/3zAwhgr
shy prawn
Thanks Dan 😄
And yes if any of you are harassing people on the beware list, you have me to deal with 😄
This also means I can troll here for people that are interested in pvp and show them even more 😛 with any luck though we can toss some pve maps back to you guys.
here's the most recent patch notes for our balancing project.
Anyone interested 😛 we brought back a lot of the fun during 2016 and are cleaning up the BS.
Increasing horde amounts during BTZ mode to help slow runner progress without drastically increasing power of the NHer
cold python
shy prawn
@rose scaffold Yar, sorry for the late poke, weapon effects like toxic do effect NH, no other effects at the moment, throwing stars aren't effective at dealing damage to NHer but they do deal damage. Particularly freezing throwing stars will stun the zombies long enough for you to clear nests.
vocal cosmos
Wow... I like those changes!
It seems more balanced now
Also to note, Survivor Sense Suppression isn't freaking 300 seconds anymore. Thank you lmao
vocal cosmos
Who knows
But they also increased the grab range for DFAs and Pounces. Interesting
I'm sure it is a typo. I don't see a reason why it'd decrease in a 3v1. I assume its actually somewhere between the 2v1s time and 4v1s time
honest gate
i think they re-enabled instant tackle
rose scaffold
gotta be a member for 10 mins
rose scaffold
Does stamina drain when you are being invaded on nightmare mode?
vocal cosmos
No, it does not
Actually, if they decreased the time for the Survivor Sense Suppression, does that mean you can't use your friends Survivor Sense anymore?
vocal cosmos
Awesome, thanks. It wouldn't surprise me if that's gone now though
shy prawn
Basically though a lot of is rolled back to 2016
Back when there was interesting play, it's slowly being balanced in community
One balancing idea we're working on is reintroducing the hordes to BTZ
Basically making the streets unsafe to just run through mindlessly again x3
Something that weakens runners but doesn't directly increase the NHer
It makes it more fun 😃
Also makes camo a lot more viable
More places to use it
vocal cosmos
It does. I use to play back in 2016, at the end of 2016 anyway. That might've been the most fun I had with Invasions. Sure, 2017 and this year are still fun, just feels a bit more unbalanced. Still really fun and enjoyable though
shy prawn
Yep x3
That's what we thought too
If this goes well though we may be able to push for Techland adding it into the base game
Or at least that's the hope for some of the balancing
The map packs we release will be pc only
I'm REALLY excited about the factory that we're building 😃
vocal cosmos
Seems fun, and I'm excited for it too ^^
shy prawn
Yeah drop run in general will be a nice change of pace from go kill these nests x3
And it will make you use more of your agility to get around, long tense moments where you have to stay in one spot while one of your team is unlocking a DROP
Should be nice and suspenseful :3
Each time someone breaks through a lock will be a momentary relief x3
And then the frantic dashes to safe rooms when you need to restock/craft
vocal cosmos
I've always said Aligity is more important than Power in the game lmao. If you ask me, Power is the last thing you would really want to upgrade. Unless you're playing BTZ, then you kinda have to work up your Power.
shy prawn
X3 yep
I'm someone who is very map dependent when I play BTZ
I'm always using whatever is around me more than my own gear
But I loved pulling out just bag of tricks
My goal in the btz balancing is to make around 90% of the items in game viable in btz
Will take time but I have a team to help 😃
vocal cosmos
The area your around does effect a lot in BTZ. If you're in old town you can expect a lot more DFA's and fall damage, even death by falling sometimes. While in the Slums, it's more of finding yourself in tight spaces and trying to figure out how the hell to get out lmao. But the Slums does have it's perks too. I just prefer to play BTZ on Old Town.
shy prawn
Yep but ultimately none of the maps were really made for BTZ
My goal is to have a pvp island when we are finished that can be put together with quite a few different 'zones' that lock during invasions for game spaces.
That way in pve you can wander the entire island but in pvp you are restricted to your zone.
vocal cosmos
Seems like a good idea
shy prawn
Also having a small intermediary at the start of the island that strips the player would be great for balancing items
vocal cosmos
That it would. Instead of have a bunch of flare and med kit spammers, it'd help with balance
shy prawn
Medkits need a cooldown in pvp
That would help the medkit spammers
Flare spammers aren't that big of an issue unless they have infinite flares
In that case we have a counter for them in discord so meh X3
vocal cosmos
I don't have a problem with it in Hard or Nightmare, as you heal over time. But a cool down on Normal mode would be amazing.
shy prawn
Basically here's how reporting works over at my place if you run into hackers, once you are using our balancing pak you are out of the general matchmaking pool, from there you can matchmake directly with people using the pak only, the updates are restricted to our channels. Being on our beware board(reported and verified) removes you from having access to those updates so you can't keep up with the rest of the crew.
HOWEVER, this is not a license to antagonize people on the beware board, they are removed from the gaming pool each update we do so just report them if it's an issue and move on. If you are found harassing players even if it's the hackers to "punish" them you will be placed on that board. :P
Sharing will probably be a bit of an issue but we can slowly weed out the ones that are circumventing our rules. It's not perfect but it will be better than the wild west we have.
Oh, people can appeal to get off the board but it requires no reported issues for 2-4 weeks(depending on offense and repeats). But it does require arbitration with the person who reported you sitting down talking through the things, if it was a harassment report you will be expected to write an apology. It's not so much about just shaming but showing a bit of humility does go a long way.
Derp sorry blade
honest gate
how about replace sense suppressor with some sort of ability to hide from survivor sense as hunter?
like uv block a bit
shy prawn
The current thing we're testing is a sense suppress mine that draw nearby virals
honest gate
Well aren't those functionally the same?
shy prawn
with the increasing horde that should make it interesting
No they aren't Rail
Sense suppress as a spit requires you to hit them
He wants an activate able that basically puts you in 'stealth mode'
honest gate
Oh yeah fair enough. But assuming both are properly executed what is the difference?
tbh I prefer the spit because it allows for greater planning
shy prawn
Ease of use and what you can use it for
A stealth mode would be a lot more reliable and easier to synergize
The other one you have to hit everyone to effect everyone
honest gate
But Hunter is already arguably OP...
shy prawn
That's a bit half and half, the sense suppress itself is a weak ability
We want a spit to actually use for that slot
That is fine because it still requires you trade off with uv spit
it does need to be balanced but I do agree Sense suppress should be improved
We're looking at ways of weakening runners without directly buffing NHer as NHer itself is in a good spot other than that spit really
But Runners do have too much leeway at the moment
honest gate
I find the suppressor spit to be the most useful, tbh
It lasts the longest and means that the humans have to go on the defensive
shy prawn
Adding hordes back to the streets creates moments where they have to focus on individual sprints through the streets or take to roofs
That's part of the problem Rail
The only thing strong about sense suppress was the fact it lasted 5 minutes
honest gate
But...isn't that what a hunter would want? I'm confused
shy prawn
Against a good Runner it is meaningless
Even adding a slight deafen to NHer where the runner couldn't tell direction based on audio as well would've been fine
But that doesn't seem easily doable
honest gate
Yeah, to be fair I'm rank "Biter" so when I go up against people I often find that they aren't prepared to deal with my spits
shy prawn
X3 you're good but yeah back when sense suppress was 60 seconds it was never really used
You have too many other spits that do more
Sense suppress on it's own will not change a runner's play other than them listening out and dropping a flare.
Which UV suppress would've done anyway.
UV suppress uses the same spit and puts them more on the defensive than sense.
The fact that it lasts 5 minutes just makes it toxic against newbies
But doesn't make it 'strong' if that makes sense x3
honest gate
ye i suppose
shy prawn
But you're fine to use it x3 I mean for some people they can make it somehow work a bit but it's one you have to change your play to it, not add it to your play.
All of the other ones you can add to your normal play and are more threatening.
Changing it to a mine though and making it draw virals means your senses are down and immediately you have things coming to get your attention.
Not necessarily damaging you but keeping you busy while NHer has a chance to at least try to find a spot to attack
We're looking at viral hp so it doesn't take 30 hits to kill one with normal weapons in pvp
carmine solar
Sense suppress is useless against a good runner, it needs something else
shy prawn
But still keeping their damage so they are a 'threat' but not a meat shield
shy prawn
Fear is around so anyone who wants to try the BTZ balancing patch we can set you up.
bronze patrol
@shy prawn if youre gonna experiment with a new spit, try doing something with stamina so that it is enabled for x seconds
or a consumable spit that increases speed/damage resistance/stamina for x seconds
brisk moat
Do the runners hear you when you do the howl?
carmine solar
Yes
shy prawn
@brisk moat Runners hear all actions.
urban tendon
getting tired of people who go 200 miles per hour tackle/gp :/
shy prawn
Tendril into GP is fun
urban tendon
yeah that
shy prawn
Anyone interested in the BTZ Rebuild/the new map should be ready for beta testing at the end of the month. We've created a matchmaking system that takes you out of the main pool and are weeding out hackers as we go. Link's in pinned/make sure to hit me up if you have any trouble!
shy prawn
Want to be a part of the first promotional video for the BTZ Rebuild? Send us your best clips, the first theme is Michael Jackson - Smooth Criminal.
shy prawn
https://youtu.be/Yqs2WcsP65g Here's current 4v1 play in our balance rebuild 😃 still in playtesting if anyone else wants in!
shy prawn
We may have a legit fix for the telebombers incoming to the next balance patch in community guys 😃
granite sable
Gotta love the instant aborts when trying to be a hunter. :/
Had better luck when I was on xbox
vocal cosmos
Hunters abort too. All players do, just sucks :p
granite sable
What sucks is usually when they stay it's because they've got god weapons or something
shy halo
so don't invade nm+ members
honest gate
...Don't have invasions open if you aren't willing to take all comers. Being good at the game doesn't mean that you should just abort when you find a newer player "boring". It's exactly as unpleasant for those newer players who you abort on as it is for someone who forgot they had invasions on to abort.
quiet brook
ok so you are tellling me to quiet the game with other words
i dont play this game for the shity PvE
i dont like playing against walkers you shine UV and they just run away wheres the fun in there
shy prawn
So teach the newer player.
They can't help the fact they started late.
It's not an excuse to be a shitty person to them.
Seriously wraith of everyone YOU should know better.
quiet brook
i dont want to fucking teach every fucking hunter i encounter
are u fucking serious
i would spend more time typing than playing
shy prawn
You know what a time sink it is to 'get good' at this game, taking 2 minutes to teach people isn't going to kill you and improves the community overall.
Rather than your momentary power trip.
shy halo
I just fight everyone for montage clips lol
shy prawn
^
quiet brook
it doesnt take fucking 2m
quiet brook
when did it told that i was a dick at them
nibba
on some ppl i do teach them as a matter of fact
shy prawn
Kairo you're not in our discord!
quiet brook
ok?
also why even invade a person who has 1k hours + than you
you are just asking for it
shy prawn
People don't analyze hours they look at a matching bar
plain wave
There's a bar from 1-5 for "fitting" games
I'm too lazy to look further into it
When I play as NH
plain wave
I on,y reference the bar
shy prawn
Or just simply hiding game hours
's like I didn't view hours on the people I played in Evolve
I just played all comers
shy halo
Yeah the new steam update
shy prawn
So.. as we were saying 0 reason to be rude to just outright newbies, they rude to you fine but they just new? Try to give them the benefit of a doubt.
quiet brook
the bar is like the worst way to tell some1s skill but whatever
shy prawn
It's the only in game way to tell.
quiet brook
use steam then lmao
carmine solar
I cba to care enough to check hours.
If I stomp them I stomp them. If I get stomped I get stomped.
So be it
granite sable
lol checking hours in a zombie game? Fuck I don't even check hours in CSGO
I like the immersion, the fun is the thrill of the chase. Not so much a "what's my survival chance here? Too high? Too low? Fuck that" type.
quiet brook
have you even played invasions ?
shy prawn
Wish drop out was changed to "The Night Hunter retreated."
quiet brook
does it makes any difference thou?
shy halo
hours don't matter sometimes
for example, montez
he has like 2k hours
and he is worse than someone with 150 hours
- he uses mods
and also, alt accounts
I have 400 hours on the account I play
on the one I don't play I have like 1k hours
my 400 hours on this account don't represent my true hours
shy prawn
@tidal glade is a good example who is always helpful in the community, you bite at him for being bad(ish) in pvp and you'll get me to deal with x3 He's one of the best pve players here.
tidal glade
thank you drak
shy prawn
Want more satisfying games? Teach the new line of newbies and watch the ones that take later shots at you because they want to surpass their teacher.
quiet brook
@shy prawn no u
shy prawn
❤
quiet brook
send me an invite love
shy prawn
You were only kicked, but I mean it, watch the language.
There's an invite pinned here
raven cipher
Everyone here talking about people's skills, and me here struggling to find a single game.
Stupid matchmaking system
also hi
quiet brook
where you from friend
honest gate
@quiet brook So basically you expect people to research their opponents in Dying Light before joining a game? Yeah, good luck
shy halo
no don't
honest gate
I'm just saying, it's kind of an elitist attitude, don't you think?
quiet brook
if you know what you are up against with its much better than going blind
simple logic
i dont like invading laggers/modders thats why am checking profiles
honest gate
My point is that you obviously have lots of experience in BtZ. This experience comes with time. It's unreasonable to expect new players to know this.
vocal cosmos
Everytime I played Btz I didn't know crap about my opponents, I played blind. Hell, didn't even know how to play for my first few games. I ended becoming one of the best players, in my, and many others, personal opinions.
quiet brook
i made a new hunter save
am not gonna invade a guy with 1k hours with me having only tackle and horde spit
checking profiles=avoiding rape
avoiding rape=enjoyable game!
vocal cosmos
And? It's a challenge. Just have some fun, if it's not fun for you then just leave the game and find a new one. It honestly doesn't matter. It just sounds like you're playing a bit to seriously
quiet brook
nibba am on the most tryhard clans of dying light
what do you expect me
same applies for kairo
vocal cosmos
Then that must suck, also, never heard 🤷
That's kinda why I never joined a clan. I mean, I could've and would've, but they were a PS4 clan only, so eh. But still, even if you're in a clan, just chill and don't go so try hard. Have some fun
But I mean if being a try hard is what's most fun for you then you do you
vocal cosmos
Lol, I use to get clips until I got too bored and just stopped playing the game completely. Started getting back into recently though
quiet brook
you just dont see the game as i do
shy halo
xbox =/= pc
vocal cosmos
Oh no, trust me, I did once see it like that. I was such a try hard in my prime days, until it got old and I stopped enjoying the game. That's when I started relaxing and stopped taking the game so seriously.
shy halo
I mean, I'm okay with a couple of biters, but sometimes I just go to the water
I get bored of 5 biters in a row
vocal cosmos
Oh yeah, if you're constantly getting low ranked hunters back to back, that can get pretty boring pretty quickly. Don't blame you
carmine solar
The difference is we cant choose our games on Xbox.
So of course we cant check profiles to avoid rape
vocal cosmos
That's also a reason lol
thick galleon
never figured that out, how come you cant choose games on xbox?
vocal cosmos
Ask Techland, because I don't have the slightest clue. I feel like we should, but I assume they ran into some errors or something idk
maiden vine
you dont need to check profiles on xbox though cuz people cant cheat as easily as pc
vocal cosmos
True, but more options is always nice
raven cipher
@quiet brook super late, but I'm from Argentina
I guess the game matchmaking is limited by regions
I'm finding more games as I advance in the story
today I got invaded like 5 times in a row
rekt every time
but it was fun
all the people I find seem to be from south america
and even tho there are more than 5k people playing, I usually find only 3 or 4 active games
shy prawn
If you are playing on vac secure that's why
raven cipher
hmm I think I turned it off, didn't see much difference
shy prawn
Lies
shy prawn
It's not like it's night time for half the world.
quiet brook
and americans
raven cipher
still, i'm pretty sure there shuould be more active games
quiet brook
you mean coop?
quiet brook
most ppl have there games on coop off
raven cipher
why would they do that
quiet brook
coz they dont want randoms joininh
the worst thing that can happen is that a newbie joins at the worst possible time on a invasion vs a skilled hunter
raven cipher
ah... yeah, makes sense, I guess
quiet brook
yes
in america
i am from EU
its 6in the morning
there are only latinos and americans atm playing
a few chinise
and some europians
raven cipher
so you can see ppl from other regions
quiet brook
yes
i could invade some chinise ppl
couple minutes ago
but i never do coz 90% use mods
and there connection is unplayable
shy prawn
Any NightHunters good at a "climbing tackle?"
quiet brook
climbing what
shy prawn
I've been able to climb and tackle, usually hitting like an AC to brace against I'd get the prompt.
With our itackle I wonder if it came back a little easier.
quiet brook
u still have the Rpack on?
quiet brook
idk
quiet brook
i found a cheaky way to gp in air
quiet brook
tackle the human on a corner do short jump + w and claw at the same time
and you may be able to gp on his headlmao
*claw to charge the gp
its not ez to pull off
shy prawn
The good ones never are 😛
's part of why I wouldn't remove Ghost Claw in our balance patches
It still takes work to perform and you can't do it everywhere.
shy prawn
Tendril claw.
quiet brook
u mean tedril claw?
shy prawn
It goes by both names
Also double claw
I don't call it tendril claw because tendriling up to them and clawing is a tendril claw to me
quiet brook
you are
shy prawn
you are just skipping the claw animation with tendril.
quiet brook
but you are using it
quiet brook
ye that one isnt a tendril claw
shy prawn
Which still does take work
It is to me
and a closer representation of the technique x3
quiet brook
u can also reset the animation by uv blocking
quiet brook
in total 1 effective way
shy prawn
Actually you can claw, ss, cancel, claw pretty quick too
quiet brook
the 2nd way is to press the uv block when you dont have any uvblock
its much more slower
but ez to pull off
shy prawn
Right.
But each of those does require a timing and technique to doing it effectively.
Aka they are skilled techniques in the game to me not really glitches/exploits XD
And again 😛 They cannot be used everywhere
shy prawn
I don't consider that an exploit though I consider that using the tools you have.
Knowing the animation hierarchy and how things combo into other things is basic fighting techniques and exist in other games
quiet brook
its like saying that itackle was never an exploit
shy prawn
You don't blame animation cancels in street fighter.
I don't consider it one, but I also was used to countering it.
If it's counterable it's not really an exploit.
It's part of the game.
That is not the same as say infinite UV/HP
quiet brook
thats a cheat
shy prawn
Right, but calling it an exploit kinda does sound like you're saying cheat.
It's a technique in game.
shy prawn
I disagree.
Or at least that these are exploits
Not a single one made the NHer impossible to fight.
quiet brook
dont tell me that the DPS of a tendril claw was supposed to be in there
shy prawn
If you are getting pinned you should fear it.
quiet brook
20% of ur hp per claw
quiet brook
if u get tackled and gped
thats already 53%of ur hp
it would take 2 claws to kill you
and from the high dps of the tedril claw it doesnt give you a lot of room for errors
quiet brook
it is
if u dont have a nh booster you are screwed
it takes around like what 5s to take you down
wheres the balanced in that
and most ppl panic when they are getting tendril clawed
shy prawn
Most newbies will
shy prawn
Right, and that's still part of the game
It's not about being easy
It's about being counterable
quiet brook
the way i see it if u get tackled twice ur ez to get picked off with a tedril claw
quiet brook
oh yea the next time dont complain if i toxic spit you and tedril claw ur ass off lmao
quiet brook
then i should start using insta tackle too
since its not an exploit
make use of (a situation) in a way considered unfair or underhand.
"the company was exploiting a legal loophole"
a tendril claw is a cheap kill
shy prawn
Lol what you call cheap I call bad planning on the runner's part.
quiet brook
so you are telling me that you plan your way through the city
shy prawn
Yes
quiet brook
yea right
shy prawn
Actually increase what it means to be a runner
quiet brook
you just go on a straight line
shy prawn
You can open a map to plan after you kill a nest.
quiet brook
waste of precious time
quiet brook
bc when u kill the hunter and the nest by the time you plan your route the hunter has already respawned
you just give him spits
the hunter can just w8 on the nest
except if he is new
quiet brook
camo is the most pussy ass tactic
quiet brook
lame tactic
shy prawn
It's a counterable tactic
quiet brook
but still a noobies tic tac
shy prawn
So your complaint is 'you don't like this tactic' so it shouldn't be there?
quiet brook
ye
shy prawn
Lawl
quiet brook
the tendril claw i would love to get fixed
the camo can be used the lowtier
you must be really scared to fight the hunter to use camo
shy prawn
Or want to attack the hunter
Camo allows you to approach
There's a LOT of tactics camo offers
And it's still fun to fight against as NHer >.>
quiet brook
am pretty sure you used the camo on a noobie that went on the ? on map and you just dfaed em
shy prawn
2hand
shy prawn
Depends where I am
quiet brook
i just dont like ppl who use camo all the time
shy prawn
You're fine to not like them but it's an ingame tactic
quiet brook
its just annoying
shy prawn
along with everything else
Oh also we're throwing around the idea of sense spit draining stamina
aka no dodge spit
quiet brook
doesnt represent anyskill bc the nh cant see u
quiet brook
dont start me with this one
shy prawn
watch closely
's what I do
And no one runs through me with camo
It's NOT HARD at all
quiet brook
your just asking for a you to get flawlessed xddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
quiet brook
it doesnt reflect anyskill whatsoever
quiet brook
have you even tried playing without hud>
shy prawn
Yep
shy prawn
I've played both and without friends, comparing those doesn't really mean much because they are two different things.
One's a tactic one's a difficulty mode.
quiet brook
ye but no hud as hunter
shy prawn
That's like comparing ghost claw and nightmare difficulty.
quiet brook
have u played it
quiet brook
could u find the nests on your own without using callouts or switching hud options
shy prawn
Yes
shy prawn
The nests spawn in regular spots
quiet brook
u cant see the fucking nests
shy prawn
It's randomized which spot they spawn at
but you can loop it
Some of those matches would go for an hour
quiet brook
until you find it its gonna be ded
shy prawn
Not no ui vs no ui
quiet brook
i played with Kairo Fear vs Me all nohud
quiet brook
i had to ask them where nest were
shy prawn
That's pretty sad
quiet brook
ok
shy prawn
¯_(ツ)_/¯
quiet brook
you know whats sad the way you see the exploits like tendril claw
you have no idea how the btz works dont you
shy prawn
I've played btz back in vanilla days, that is more of what BTZ was about than what it is watered down to right now.
quiet brook
1st you played on console
quiet brook
2nd at the time such exploits as tendril claw werent a thing
shy prawn
But tendril claw doesn't really change the game other than making close quarters and getting pinned dangerous
As they should be
Playing runner is always a balancing act between defense/aggression
quiet brook
ur not giving a single chance to the guy
quiet brook
no u dont
shy prawn
Ranged options
You don't even bother thinking what you have available because you don't want to 'try hard'
quiet brook
u dont even need to be on a corner to kill some1 with tendril claw
quiet brook
you don't want to 'try hard' you don't want to 'try hard' you don't want to 'try hard'
nibba
xd
d
d
quiet brook
get good 1st then talk about game balancing
shy prawn
If you seriously have issues against those
removing options doesn't help game balancing it waters down the combat.
quiet brook
ask everyone from NM+ about the tedril claw
renfur is even making a script to nerf the dmg of multiple claws
why do u think we've added the nh booster couldown?
bc it gave change for more creative ways to kill
shy prawn
Actually to later balance the boosters individually wraith
quiet brook
not RMB LMB
and replay
shy prawn
.. we're working on that and I've been talking with Fear about it.
quiet brook
no shit sherlock am testing with fear all of the time
if renfur makes that script i cant w8 for the stupid ass tendril claw to get the nerf
i dont understand you like you are pretty much new to PC where u can actualy tendril claw it should be an annoyance when u getting tendriled clawed
shy prawn
Because even if it's annoying you and I look at differently.
quiet brook
well then you are insecure about your skill and you just want to use the easy kill as the hunter
and the got to run tactic as the human
quiet brook
but still you are looking forwards on learning how to
tactics like gp spit i could have used them but i didnt coz i thhought that it was unfair
its like saying oh we have a slow firing weapon the medium firing weapon and then we have a minigun with its fast rate of fire that one is"skillful"
Jesus Christ your logic is hurting me
shy prawn
Yep go into Team Fortress run around with a heavy with 0 skill and see how far you get
That's indeed running around with a minigun
quiet brook
Tendril claw vs claw its like compairing an A-10 firing vs an Ar15 thats what i mean eitherway tf2's minigun does low dmg so it can be balanced
vocal cosmos
Annnnd what's going on over on this side of town?
vocal cosmos
Tendril Claw? I completely forgot what that even was lmao. Can I get a refresher?
quiet brook
Sure
So its a way of resetting the claw animation aka MUCH faster claw
With a really high dps
vocal cosmos
Kinda seems a little bit OP, depending on certain things. But overall, I don't see much of an issue tbh
vocal cosmos
6 hits, ik
quiet brook
U can claw the human 3 times really quick around 1-2s
vocal cosmos
It is, so if you're using it for that then so? If you're spamming it while the Survivor is on full health, and it really is that quick, then that's broke
Broken*
Holy shit
Okay, broken lmao. 3 hits is 1-2 seconds? That's just wrong lmao
lilac oriole
Throw heavy weapon x3
quiet brook
Or nh boosters
vocal cosmos
Both work lol
vocal cosmos
Although throwing weapons isn't the best, can easily be avoided if the Hunter knows what he's doing
vocal cosmos
The Dropkick depends lag and NH booster might be good for it
lilac oriole
XD wraith gets hit by weapons all the time
vocal cosmos
Oof lmfao
quiet brook
If its gregu
vocal cosmos
Seems like a good counter lol
vocal cosmos
Gooooood lmao. Don't use broken tactics, please ;-;
lilac oriole
I only really gp claw otherwise I don't use claws to much
Keep those nails in check
quiet brook
Like if the human is low i might as well bitch slap him
vocal cosmos
Same lmao. If he's low, coming for that ass boi
vocal cosmos
It was one hour, wanna finish that?
vocal cosmos
Just please try to avoid spamming :p
lilac oriole
Tbf though alot of people seem to barely know PvP even at mid ranks when a widow maker invaded me they said I was hacking for throwing a light weapon to finish them
vocal cosmos
Still, we don't really like the spamming. Back on topic please, unless you wanna go #⭐︱general lol. Also, yeah you're right Lulu lmao. Happens often
quiet brook
A lot of ppl
Download saves
Back in the day those ppl were few and marked and everyone was farming kills on them
Now i see at least one fake save
lilac oriole
Me and po had a fake apex whom po was just dfa'ing because he kept missing gp
Max level mutation 3 and all he did was gp spit
quiet brook
I also love those noobies who use god mode
vocal cosmos
Oooof. I had a similar situation, and then he complained how Survivors were pussies on the Reddit lmao
quiet brook
You can just throw a 2hander at them and they die
And those ppl techland listense too oh god
lilac oriole
Or dropkick into spikes
vocal cosmos
They don't. Personally, if you ask me, they always change btw for the newer players, which is nice. Allows new players to get into the swing of things. However it is dumb to pro players :p
quiet brook
And 30s cds
Dude nerfing the dfa from 9m to 13 its impossible to dfa
And grab range from 1to 0.5
Like atm its on 11 its perfect
vocal cosmos
I did notice dfas were harder to land, but then I stopped caring lol
quiet brook
Its like day and night change
Like atm idk i kinda got used to the game am not looking forward in any changes
vocal cosmos
Changes are always nice. There's always room for improvement
vocal cosmos
I'm a quick adapter, so I digress
quiet brook
Well it takes time to learn for example that you cant uv heal fast enought
Coz you will still try to do the same outdated tactics
vocal cosmos
Again, I'm a quick adapter and learner. So if that happened, I'd just UV heal in safer places, or just not UV heal at all and just use the UV shield
quiet brook
Well thats for you most of the tryhard ppl would dislike sudden changes
vocal cosmos
I am a try hard though lmao. I wouldn't argue, there's not much I can do. Just get use to it
quiet brook
Like common everyfucking month there PLS crashes and the game changes
vocal cosmos
Monthly updates are neat
quiet brook
No no
vocal cosmos
Shows they care about the game and still want to support it
quiet brook
Those arent updates
vocal cosmos
oh
quiet brook
There server crashes
vocal cosmos
oh no
quiet brook
And it bring litterly the shities versions back
vocal cosmos
Oh well 🤷 I don't experience much crashing
quiet brook
This cosed many flares to dissappear too
Well it doesnt crash your game lmfso
Lmfao
vocal cosmos
I don't use flares that much anyway. Only when I really need to, so I can avoid flare spamming
vocal cosmos
True. That's why if in a 1v1 you gotta hit that isnta flare and then pray they don't knock it out or spit at it lmao
quiet brook
When the PLS server crashes it resets to another version of the pvp for example instead of 11m dfa you get 9 the game went back like almost a year
vocal cosmos
If they do then, well, you're screwed unless you pop another one in time
Oof
That's an issue smh
quiet brook
If the 1st flare dissappears the 2nd one will dissappear too
vocal cosmos
Unless you're too good
quiet brook
Unless you are lucky that the pls didnt effect you
vocal cosmos
True lmao
Honestly, I don't experience much of that. May be because I don't play as much PvP as I use too. And DL in general
quiet brook
Most likely
Techland is so stupid they could have added so much shit and make the game so intersting but oh ngot to go for that sequeal
vocal cosmos
So? I'd like a DL2. And plus, I doubt they'll stop supporting it in the time being
shy prawn
He complains of any try hard in general 😛
quiet brook
Invest on the commuinity not the money trail
vocal cosmos
They are? They invest a lot in the community. A lot
Either you don't pay attention, or you don't know Techland lmao
vocal cosmos
They always put in edits-- Okay smart guy, let me finish my fucking message.
quiet brook
And dont get me started about the counterdrop they put a demolisher as content drop
vocal cosmos
They always put in new edits to help new people to get into the PvP. I don't blame them for not doing as much to the PvP as much as the PvE because let's face it, majority of the player base doesn't like or doesn't play the PvP. The focus were the majority of the community is at to keep them interested. With time and new buffs and nerfs and edits, maybe the players will start to like the PvP. But for majority, they're PvE players, so that's where they support. Which is why all of the 11 free DLC they released in the 10 in 12 deal were all PvE, and nothing to do with the PvP. Because majority of the community doesn't play the PvP. And while they were releasing the new DLC for DL, they still made a bunch of new buffs and nerfs to the PvP. They didn't forget about it, and they still supported it. Just not as much as PvE.
quiet brook
I just dont like the pve bias
vocal cosmos
So yes, they invest a lot in the DL community.
Doesn't matter. That's where majority of players are at. Doesn't mean the don't support PvP. Just means they don't support it as much as PvE.
shy prawn
Putting in edits to help new players in pvp is not the way to balance it
in fact it ruins the meta
And waters down further play.
vocal cosmos
It's not, but it helps new players get into it.
shy prawn
And doesn't give them much to learn past that
Being inviting is not the same thing as being fun
vocal cosmos
It's not, but I find it likely they do this to make it easier, and thus more fun and understanding for new players. So that way they do get into the swing of things.
shy prawn
But that doesn't make it more fun when you get down to it
Removing depth does not increase fun
vocal cosmos
It can or can't. It makes it more fun for some people and ruins it for others.
shy prawn
It can't period.
It will make it more inviting
but it will not keep the players there.
you are creating a shallow pvp fight in that case.
And that's all it can be
It's inviting because it's simple but it doesn't make it entertaining in the end
quiet brook
Like instead of demolisher put like mode that you build your own safezone
shy prawn
Well we're doing that in our maps
quiet brook
How hard can it be
shy prawn
the temp szs
quiet brook
If u can do it why cant techland do it
Like the thing they give its to shallow
They are not last longing
Pve in general is not that lastlonging
Like its fun at the start but u cant kill biters for over 1k hours
vocal cosmos
It will make it more inviting for new players to actually get into the game and get into how the game works. The veterans players will just have to adapt to these changes and get use to them. I know I always did. A lot of players, at least from the Xbox side, did. And from finding new games, it did help a lot of new players try it out. If they stuck around of not I can't say. But all I can say is I trust what Techland is doing for PvP. They're the experts and know what changes to make. We in the community may dislike, or like, the changes, but it is never guaranteed. All I can really say is be happy that Techland still supports this 3 year old game.
shy prawn
But they aren't supporting it in that case. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
They're just putting stickers on it
vocal cosmos
But they are supporting it. You just don't like the support they're doing. And again, most of it goes to the PvE side of things
quiet brook
Welp i will dissagre with you about the pvp balancing
vocal cosmos
Disagreements are bound to happen
vocal cosmos
They were. And guess what they were? PvE lol
quiet brook
I want gamemodes not skins and weapo s
vocal cosmos
I can agree with you on that lmfao
vocal cosmos
A lot of people. People have been begging for it lmfao
shy prawn
Silenced pistol is fine
vocal cosmos
And I kinda liked it, although I never use it
shy prawn
Actually for our indoor maps it may be quite useful
But that's part of why my community is rebuilding BTZ
There's so much more it could've been
quiet brook
Idk like i was dissapointed from this contentdrop
vocal cosmos
🤷
quiet brook
Btz lack proper tutorials
quiet brook
Lacks
shy prawn
Build a tutorial map for people
quiet brook
Frick
vocal cosmos
For Survivors yeah lmfao
vocal cosmos
I mean, just post a video on how to play Survivors on YT ._.
quiet brook
Ye
vocal cosmos
Making a whole map seems a little extra
quiet brook
Coz there is not even a fucking tutorial for human