I can confirm what @urban tendon is saying, it's happened to me several times too
#🧬︱bethezombie
tidal cliff
finding matches as a hunter is a struggle man
and then you get abused for playing the hunter LOL
tidal cliff
How are you supposed to deal with people camping in buggies?
dusky kindle
my honest and non sarcastic answer is the uninstall the following when doing invasions
the following is awful for invasions imo. maxed out buggies are so much faster than the NH even when tendril sprinting
tidal cliff
Even when I grab onto the buggy they just drive into a tree or some shit and do more damage to me than I do to them
It feels really unfair
dusky kindle
again, the following isnt really made for invasions
tidal cliff
You can ground pound while you're on the vehicle?
warped citrus
When you're beside it.
Get on, then hop off before they hit the tree.
They'll take a while before getting away from you.
So you ground pound and flip the car.
warped citrus
Invading is awesome tbfh
tidal cliff
I already didn't really like The Following to begin with because there's not really any platforming to speak of, but then I tried it as a hunter and the fact that it's all open plains and forest made it feel even worse
dusky kindle
honestly
#⭐︱general or #🧟︱dying-light-1 if we wanna talk about anything that isnt btz though
oh im level 20
dusky kindle
the owner of the server lmao
warped citrus
shhh
carmine solar
A good amount of the time GPing the buggy will make it do an entire flip rather than just half way onto it's roof
So it still ends up on its wheels unless you slam it towards a tree or something.
But spits do a good job of getting people away from it.
If they have the UV upgrades, it acts as a larger flare.
GP and it'll turn off
carmine solar
Just don't invade following tbh
carmine solar
More of a pain than it's worth
carmine solar
Not against genuinely good Ulti Survivors.
warped citrus
holy frick
dusky kindle
frickle doodle
carmine solar
It just becomes cancer. Maxed buggy is faster than a max speed NH.
warped citrus
I'm green xd
carmine solar
Also the wide open areas make it easy to track the hunter
dusky kindle
and the fact that you can call the buggy when you die
carmine solar
I'm perfectly experienced.
It's just boring.
Less chances for survivors to make mistakes.
dusky kindle
oath is apex
warped citrus
nah man it's totally balanced trust me I've played this game for less than 200 hours
warped citrus
.-.
carmine solar
In the slightest
warped citrus
Sarcasm.
urban tendon
claw damage with hunters is op
carmine solar
Ehh
warped citrus
Nope
dusky kindle
dodge spam says no to that
carmine solar
Max legend it takes 6 or 7 claw attacks
dusky kindle
was it in all caps
carmine solar
If you can manage 6 hits without dying I'm amazed lol
warped citrus
No.
dusky kindle
mee6 doesnt like caps
warped citrus
Mee6 is a meecunt
carmine solar
Ye MEE6 eats caps
dusky kindle
mee6 thicc af tho
warped citrus
but look at his smile
warped citrus
dusky kindle
my love
urban tendon
Since I dupe Boosters like a bitch it takes like 4 claw hits to kill me :/
I dont dupe*
warped citrus
You wouldn't steal a car
dusky kindle
dusky kindle
just stream it
carmine solar
@dusky kindle get on so I can invade you
warped citrus
I'm making fun of that old ad
dusky kindle
@carmine solar no
carmine solar
Dude I haven't played hunter in forever
dusky kindle
oath is an apex and i still have trouble switching from flares to UV light. no.
carmine solar
I'll be as good as a Widowmaker at most
dusky kindle
n o
warped citrus
opposite day
warped citrus
Opposite day starting at 11:06 eastern standard time
urban tendon
dusky kindle
opposite day not happening and neither is this invasion that oath wants to do
carmine solar
I don't understand why you don't lemme teach
warped citrus
You think that night hunter wants to invade you but no he wants to invade your pants
dusky kindle
because theres no reason to teach when im gonna keep my invasions off 100% of the time
carmine solar
@dusky kindle lemme take that invasion virginity
dusky kindle
this is peer pressure
carmine solar
My game just crashed invading someone lmfao
carmine solar
Dying Light Mobile man
dusky kindle
id play it
carmine solar
It's on the store so I mean
Also time to farm my hunter to level 50
Only 28 rn ew
warped citrus
Hunter legend 250 🤔
What if there were different classes of hunters?
Like
certain ones
with certain abilities
and you choose between four
carmine solar
You get a new ability everytime you mutate
So I mean
First match
aborted
Oh boy
warped citrus
I know
But like
a whole new class of abilites
for a new class of hunter
That'd be more fun tbfh
warped citrus
rip
dusky kindle
just like
carmine solar
It's not even worth
carmine solar
It wouldn't change my rank if I demutated
carmine solar
First match :) ay
dusky kindle
dusky kindle
aborted
urban tendon
I left after I was killed 6 times to an apex that mainly just gp spammed so I couldn't heal :/
carmine solar
GP spam lmao.
urban tendon
plus claw damage which is around 40 so
carmine solar
It's only really useful when survivors are low
urban tendon
If im at 120 then im screwed
warped citrus
The gp then tackle spam
urban tendon
yeah
carmine solar
NH only has 3 attacks. Using it 2 times in a row isn't spam like people seem to brand it these days
urban tendon
true but I dont see anyway of escaping it when used correctly
warped citrus
But when they do it over and over to kill you for all ten times
urban tendon
its boring tbh
urban tendon
plus I have seen so many apexs who barely use those 2 moves and win every time
so no
carmine solar
When spammed it's cancer
dusky kindle
hence why i dont enjoy invasions
urban tendon
those moves dont need to be used to much
warped citrus
I enjoy invasions
carmine solar
Tackle and GP? Yeah
They need to be used. It's basically your only reliable source of damage against higher survivors.
warped citrus
I groundpound, spit, claw, and pounce.
urban tendon
The best apex I ever fought used gp and tackles a little but the main way he killed me were through his spits
warped citrus
main combo
carmine solar
Unless you catch someone in a very bad spot, Horde spit is very unlikely to kill people
warped citrus
So you're stunned
carmine solar
Unless telebombers happen that is
warped citrus
Tackling someone off a high place is so satisfying
carmine solar
Ye
warped citrus
What about tackle into spikes?
carmine solar
I try to avoid instant kill combos
urban tendon
ay im invaded
carmine solar
As it becomes annoying and boring
urban tendon
brb 😄
dusky kindle
@urban tendon good luck
dusky kindle
im not home
urban tendon
god damnit
aborted after 2 deaths
as human
Night hunters arent the only one who have to deal with abortions
oh shit thats wrong
um
dusky kindle
@carmine solar the real hunter has arrived
warped citrus
the clothes hanger is the real hunter
carmine solar
Interesting lol
Low level sucks
No abilities
So you really can't do anything but spam
dusky kindle
yeah
they need to change that
“oh i got invaded better bring in my legend 250 friend to fuck you up”
urban tendon
ikr
dusky kindle
with his 999999 duped night hunter boosters and 999999 duped flares
dusky kindle
best cheater ali
urban tendon
what a fucking tool
dfas are autotargeted to wtf
now Ik the pain of being a night hunter
woah so skilled
dusky kindle
dfas?
urban tendon
im not that proud of my dfas now
warped citrus
death from aboves
urban tendon
this is the 4th fucking time its happened
his ll 250 friend just joined and
now I cant fight em
warped citrus
c o w a r d s
target the legend
So then the noob will have to save him
and then pounce noob
urban tendon
lol I baited the fuck out of them and uv spit em both
warped citrus
gg
urban tendon
and ended the game with 1 nest left :/
warped citrus
You win?
warped citrus
Clutch
urban tendon
I think they had a cheater join their game
it instantly killed my first nest
then he left
urban tendon
wowwwwww
warped citrus
I couldn't even move.
dusky kindle
probably /kill command tbh if he just destroyed all your nests immediately
warped citrus
/butcherall
urban tendon
oh shit
dusky kindle
/tip night hunter to the following map so he can fuck off
urban tendon
not my chickens
warped citrus
my iron golems
carmine solar
The good thing about multiple people
If you separate them you can easily focus the weaker one over and over and over
warped citrus
ye
urban tendon
lol that has screwed me over in so many games as human
dusky kindle
and then the weaker one either aborts or gets kicked
urban tendon
where either me or one of my teammates gets targeted over and over
carmine solar
That's fine tbh. By then I have 5 nests still up and they have 5 lives
I always focus the group as a whole until someone splits off
Then they're getting the entire treatment
It's pretty much like every other asymmetrical 4v1 game. Basically all about how fast you can act upon the opposites mistakes
warped citrus
toxic spit when all four camp in a room
dusky kindle
if they all 4 camp in one room then they deserve to lose
dusky kindle
leapfrog makes pounces faster right?
carmine solar
Leapfrog is honestly god
warped citrus
does leapfrog instantly kill the person that you first jumped on?
carmine solar
If you pounce them then go to leapfrog the other person, but say it got interrupted
Anyone who you pounced successfully before it was interrupted is killed
carmine solar
But a solo pounce is not faster no
dusky kindle
gay
dusky kindle
relations with a homosapien of the same sex
warped citrus
yes
warped citrus
fighter rank?
tidal cliff
do you still get rewards if they abort
carmine solar
No.
carmine solar
Don't know.
But with how often people abort my hunter should be max but is only 30 lol
Cry won't let me take his cheeks
Filing complaint
@dusky kindle
dusky kindle
oh fuck i forgot about ezgi
warped citrus
The rebel with a big heart
dusky kindle
and a big ass
dusky kindle
are you fucking kidding me
this is the laggiest night hunter holy shit
i threw a flare and sat in it for a good 3 seconds and he was able to pounce me and pull me at least 20 meters away
this is actually unfair
who enjoys this lmao
lilac oriole
Because most players don't have super laggy matches
dusky kindle
not fun 
warped citrus
rip
carmine solar
Laggy night hunters are cancer
cosmic terrace
warped citrus
It isn't funny.
warped citrus
True. It can be used as a definition for cigarette or a bundle of sticks.
plain wave
gay used to mean like being happy
dusky kindle
unfortunately
plain wave
rip
warped citrus
Definitions of words change quick buddio
sturdy wyvern
Zombo changed from human with no free will to living dead
shy prawn
Wish it wasn't balanced so shittily 😦
carmine solar
Yea.
pine stream
Some want to 1 v 1 on pc? I'll be hunter
vocal cosmos
I wish I PC right about now ;-;
lilac oriole
@pine stream plays a character without a sheild what is happening
pine stream
@lilac oriole Huh? I don't understand
lilac oriole
you always shield spits
pine stream
I am using shield, but that's bad?
lilac oriole
nah its just so rare to see x3
cold frigate
The irony in myself... I invade people but I have Night Invasions turned off as human
bronze patrol
Survivor is a lot easier in invasions lol
pine stream
@bronze patrol Depends
bronze patrol
The learning curve is a lot steeper for Night Hunter.
Theres a lot of "pro" hunters whom still dont know everything they can do lol
Survivor is much easier in terms of combat.
Plus 1v1, a good survivor will always beat a good hunter. The hunter has to rely on GP spit, tendril claw, and stalling in 1v1. Hunter is a glass cannon in 1v1.
prime oracle
The dropkick range is either super high or i suck as a hunter
shy prawn
They need something other than a floating tackle prompt
bronze patrol
@prime oracle the dropkick range is 3.3 Meters
angle to land a dropkick is 22 degrees
carmine solar
Once latency and connection are taken into account if both are bad dropkicks can be snipers.
bronze patrol
Its really easy to counter dropkick chains as well.
pine stream
How to get the Hunter role btw.
lean heart
Reach level 5, you can do that by simply typing messages.
lean heart
Type !rank in #289943561347006464
pine stream
Ok, thanks
lilac oriole
SO much fly hacking so bad XD
pine stream
lel
lilac oriole
he was flying and super jumping when he wasn't flying and had a crossbow machine gun
all 3 of them
yet lost to my walker XD
whos level 2
lilac oriole
the best part is one of them super jumped and killed themself XD
dusky kindle
flying around only makes it easier for the hunter to see you
and flares just fall to the ground
so once your light is out
lilac oriole
had someone today whom walked and with every step spawned a flare
dusky kindle
that had to get annoying
lilac oriole
was till i noticed he walked into bombers half the time
dusky kindle
lmfao
lilac oriole
so i would spit and watch XD
vocal cosmos
Lmfao
shy prawn
Its pretty BS'y loading into a map to All Nests Destroyed.
rugged shadow
dusky kindle
people instakilling all the nests immediately so that they win
in other words, cheaters
carmine solar
Is there some sort of cheat that allows you to kill nests before the NH has even laoded?
bronze patrol
Yes. Its a trainer. Its really stupid.
shy prawn
New night hunter idea: Night Brute, instead of spits they have stims, a claw inflicting uv suppression for 1.5 seconds as an example. Increased resistance to light, increased mitigation, mitigation reduces with light damage. Instead of UV Block a direct mitigation cooldown?
shy prawn
I'd love a night hunter that gives up tendrils for not showing up on hunter sense.
Some parts will be
bronze patrol
Thats a bad idea.
Its so easy to detect NH.
NH is loud af. The tendril is needed for many combos as well. Taking that away would ruin NH unless damage mapping was completely redone.
lilac oriole
Also without tendrils your gonna get hit by elemental bolts/arrows and by thrown weapons
Also survivors could easily outrun you
carmine solar
Especially in Following
lilac oriole
Even tendril sprinting is not enough there
carmine solar
Balanced
prime oracle
Maybe if you could still use the Insta-kill grapple it would work
That's a big maybe though
bronze patrol
Tendril sprint is enough in following. Although its barely enough to keep up with regular tendril sprint, there is a method to go even faster as NH, beyond normal tendril sprint speed.
carmine solar
If you tendril sprint with max speed upgrades, a maxed buggy is faster than you.
dusky kindle
not to mention UV safezone and electric cage
carmine solar
Also given the fact that There s rarely a reason to direction change and it's usually just a straight shot to the nests over a couple hills
BtZ Following imo is just a joke
lilac oriole
Bombers are op in the following though
carmine solar
Eh. There's always pipes in the fields for the most part.
Given that the survivor isn't using dodge to it's fullest potential in addition to a shield because yea "op spits"
It generally just comes down to how much counterplay there is to literally anything the NH can do.
The only things there isn't a hard counter to are GP, Claw and Spit/Tackle combo.
carmine solar
Not many do on Xbox either. But it's unbalanced regardless
lilac oriole
Because most on pc use night hunter boosters and kunai dagger to get between nests
carmine solar
The argument I always get with the shield bullshit
"Im vulnerable to pound or Tackle when I'm using it."
You know
The 1/10th of a second it's equipped for
carmine solar
There really just needs to be less counterplay.
dusky kindle
learn where your equipment is and you dont need to open the menu
just tap the d pad
boom shield
vocal cosmos
That's the first step to becoming a God Survivor
I never used shield. Pointless, I always thought
carmine solar
It's just annoying more than anything
vocal cosmos
I ran, UV flashlight, NH Booster, Grapple Hook, and Zaid Flares
carmine solar
Instead of 2 dodges to escape a spit it's only one, Then equip and turn
Mostly I only see people in the following use it if I'm being honest
lilac oriole
Tbf if I know someone uses shield I will uv spit then when they get out shield toxic and ground pound
carmine solar
Spit/Tackle combo works like a charm everytime.
carmine solar
Countryside is only really map where the shield even is viable imo. If even then
lilac oriole
Yeah but spit tackle is harder in 4v1/3v1
carmine solar
Tackle will be evaded nearly 100% of the time but hey free spit so
vocal cosmos
Focus on the one who isn't good, you land a tackle on them, you knock everyone near down
But then again, they can fuck you up like that too
lilac oriole
Then get dfa but other
vocal cosmos
Then don't play low
If one is above, go for him
No matter what, go for the player above you
Avoid DFA's at all costs
vocal cosmos
There was a huge difference, I was able to tell when I started playing again
It was, much, much more harder to land. Now I rarely go for them
The height has been increased and I believe you have to be looking at the Hunter bellow now
carmine solar
Yeah as far as I'm aware
It also doesn't become a heat seeker
Unlike high latency drop kicks.
vocal cosmos
I love Dropkicking so much lmfao
carmine solar
I've been hit from ground when I was above a house with one before.
Like just last week
vocal cosmos
But is it me, or do they keep buffing the Hunter and nerfing the Humans?
It happens
vocal cosmos
Lag and sheit
Did they? Ill need to check up on that
As far as I'm aware, the Survivors always get the short end of the stick
carmine solar
Also the PvP is fairly one sided at higher ranks.
Survivors being typically more powerful.
vocal cosmos
That is true
vocal cosmos
I can easily beat high ranking Hunters, but Survivors? Not a chance
carmine solar
Ye
vocal cosmos
Honestly, if I fought myself, Hunter VS Human, my Human would win
carmine solar
Ultis can be beaten with decent play but a god survivor you can get maybe 3 or 4 kills on
If even
vocal cosmos
I'm good as both, Max Rank, Max Level and all. But my Human would win, easily
carmine solar
Like it wouldn't be a contest would it?
vocal cosmos
Maybe a close game, maybe like 2-5 lives left, but I GUARANTEE my Human will win
carmine solar
Not against God survivors
vocal cosmos
I call those "No skill cheap ass kills" lmfao
lilac oriole
Telebomber
carmine solar
As hunter you basically have to wait for their mistakes
vocal cosmos
Telebomber omfg
carmine solar
Ah telebombers so frustratingly annoying
vocal cosmos
Also, yeah, as a God Survivor, you will make no mistakes
lilac oriole
The night hunters jesus
carmine solar
Which a god survivor micromanages like a genius
vocal cosmos
At least, I would. I replied a lot on my grapple hook, when on roofs anyway, and I'm always on roofs
Yep
carmine solar
Can't worry about reg bombers if you're always on a roof
vocal cosmos
I only used my grapple hook when absolutely needed.
I barely used my grapple hook, only when going for trickshots, or for recovering
carmine solar
I've even noticed some ultis these days will grapple when I'm close without even hitting me with UV first
It always confuses me
Like why
vocal cosmos
I always did that by accident lmfao
carmine solar
Just a free pounce now
vocal cosmos
But that would be because they have quick reactions, as soon as you pounce, they'll quickly switch to UV light
lilac oriole
I am very good at trick pouncing and alot of the pc ultis know it
carmine solar
I mean you can switch while in the grapple animation as long as the hook landed
vocal cosmos
Mhm
carmine solar
(Which imo should be changed) But I digress
vocal cosmos
Trick pinching never worked on me all that much. Sure, it did work from time to time, but most of the time, I was able to counter or whatever
carmine solar
Same with the grapple+B allowing you to avoid air tackles
Like that's just straight up obnoxious tbh
vocal cosmos
If that's the case, Hunters need to stop complaining that the Dropkick is unavoidable lol
carmine solar
LOL
I do agree to a degree
But what I'm saying is
Hunter mistakes almost always result in a punishment
carmine solar
However there is almost always a way to get out of a mistake as survivor
vocal cosmos
Miss a GP? Lemme bring out the fucking belt and teach you a lesson lmfao
True, but some are unavoidable.
carmine solar
Only way to escape that is UV Heal and hope they don't hit you after you activate it
vocal cosmos
Like falling, or not paying attention
If you're not paying attention, it's an easy pounce, which is rare, I'll agree. But, it is almost promised. There's no way a survivor will realized he's being pounced, bring out his UV light and find the Hunter in time
Unless sound hoarding
vocal cosmos
Yep, which is why it's rare
carmine solar
The air tackle thing hits a soft spot for me personally because these good ass survivors are hard as fuck to push off their perches
vocal cosmos
When there's a will, there's a way
carmine solar
But once I force them off they get a free back to home card with grapple+B
vocal cosmos
Not always the case
carmine solar
I've never landed an air tackle to save my life unless it came from hell and was unexpected as hell
They always grapple and hit B before I can get close enough to tackle
vocal cosmos
If you GP, knocking them off the roof, they will Grapple B, it's a promise if they know what they're doing. So either, don't tackle, and let them fall, then they'll fall. Once they realize they're falling, they'll grapple again to get back up to the roof, which is your green light to tackle
Or just spit :p
carmine solar
I've tried that before. Dunno if it was because God survivor but didn't work
Neither did
vocal cosmos
Some will do it twice, annoyingly
carmine solar
He just evaded the second try and saw spit when I tried that
(I actually heard his third grapple when the spit exploded lmao)
vocal cosmos
Fuck, they did remove insta tackle, huh?
carmine solar
Yessssssir
vocal cosmos
Fuck, I forgot about that. Shit was so good
vocal cosmos
See, that they should add back. Insta tackle is needed
carmine solar
I don't even remember what that was tbh
vocal cosmos
Tackle, they evade, turn quickly without moving, just moving the Right Stick, and holding B to tackle again Instantly
While their back is turned and mid air to add
carmine solar
Oh ye that
vocal cosmos
Ye
carmine solar
I don't personally know a good survivor that had an issue with it
They all thought it was fine
vocal cosmos
I kinda had a problem with it, but the counter was easy as balls.
Just back away
Back away, you'll be far enough before they try to tackle again
carmine solar
I personally just believe they should leave the abilities where they are but start taking away some counterplay options and see where that goes
If it's not enough then buff tackle or GP or whatever
I think spits are fine as is
carmine solar
Yeah. I would rather they didn't touch GP but I said that just to get the point across lol
vocal cosmos
Yeah, I understand lmfao
vocal cosmos
Extremely lmfao
bronze patrol
Tackle should be buffed ye, It feels too easy to evade tackles, even 200 iq tackles get dodged 24/7 even when survivors arent looking at you
carmine solar
They just I find don't do enough damage to warrant actually using them for anything other than confirming spits
bronze patrol
plus the 2 handed after every evade
carmine solar
Yeah it's horrible
bronze patrol
Also, Oath the buggy is not faster than Night Hunter on PC. There is an exploit on PC that can make the Night Hunter faster than typical tendril sprint
carmine solar
Like on a missed GP how you're dead before they've even got to melee range
bronze patrol
To avoid heavy i usually do a small jump then turn and tackle
vocal cosmos
And it makes sense for the delay to favor Survivors. You're a Hunter joining their game
vocal cosmos
The Survivors are always host, they will always have better connection. Well, kinda lol
bronze patrol
heavy is 2 handed lol
carmine solar
I confused heavy attacks for 2 hand my b
bronze patrol
I dont always use it, I like to switch between 2 handed and bolt slice since i know how frustrating 2 handed can be
bronze patrol
My favorite thing as Nh has been the dropkick instant tackle though.
Toxic bolts are the best
vocal cosmos
Ye
bronze patrol
15 residual damage and halts the hunter from healing
vocal cosmos
It was fun talking to you guys, I love discussing BTZ. But I gtg, peace, have a good day guys
bronze patrol
water seems to make it do 2 damage less tho
carmine solar
Gn
vocal cosmos
Does it? Anyway, bye, lmfao
bronze patrol
Peace
bronze patrol
there is insta tackle lol
theres lot of insta tackle
they only patched one form of it
carmine solar
I also just remembered
Magnet spikes
LMAO
They're so hilarious
Tackle someone and they shoot off in an entirely different 40° angle from where you hit them because spikes
I remember someone shooting off 90° before. I had to quit I was laughing so hard
bronze patrol
rip lol
bronze patrol
I dont get dropkicked to spikes much
hardly get dk chained either unless the survivor is really good
or if I mess up my attack
@carmine solar heres 3 of the current itackles, this isnt in a real match though, obviously. lol https://youtu.be/2uECK9ULivk
Same as old itackle, just hold tackle and sprint p much
lilac oriole
So i fought this group of god mode hackers with super high jumps and knocked them down to one life before suddenly i got credits
then next time i join them this happens XD
plain wave
rip
people can hack in singleplayer and arguably coop, but as soon as it goes to pvp thats a no-go
that kind of shit sucks
lilac oriole
That was my biter save as well x3
But yeah I beat his God mode by pouncing him the first time I Vs them
So I am apparently the hacker
dusky kindle
god mode doesnt defend against a built in instakill
plucky shard
I’ll be honest I use mods and stuff BUT STRICTLY for single player and MAYBE coop with friends. It actually hurts to see people being like this.
lilac oriole
They got beat by me after joking about how low level and rank my hunter is so next time I joined this happens and they say ez
bronze patrol
I dont mind mods that dont affect gameplay in PvP. Nothing that gives you an edge over others. Like changing the color of your UV light, others wont see it and it doesnt change anything important, so its fine. Reverting your DFA back to the old 2 meter dfa, now that kind of stuff, I am against.
carmine solar
2m DFA, you mean...outskilled xD
bronze patrol
god no lol
https://youtu.be/OmI25DQmRfQ heres itackle in a real match @carmine solar its very satisfying lol
"nooooo why instant tackle" grunting noises from h3k intensify
shy prawn
Is dual buggy 4v1 against night hunter fun/very viable?
cold frigate
Dunno, I have Invasions off
fringe heron
@shy prawn with the right balance of skill between humans and zombie it's fun
But say: a pro league zombies vs a few noobs is absolute mayhem
And visa versa
vocal cosmos
^
carmine solar
If both sides are say of the same skill level chances are the human will win a majority of the time.
honest gate
lol
shy prawn
... Someone tell me why there's not a night hunter based off the demolisher for the following o.o
I want to bulldoze buggies!
dusky kindle
because night hunter is the night hunter
you can bulldoze buggies. just ground pound next to them
shy prawn
Yeah but you know what I mean don't lie.
dusky kindle
i dont play pvp so
lilac oriole
You can tackle buggies
dusky kindle
carmine solar
If you can catch them ye
dusky kindle
buggies gay
shy prawn
You know... All that night hunter really needs for balancing, anti-coagulant venom: all attacks inflict a venom that prevents downed status and kills upon health 0
A kill should be a kill for night hunter with as difficult as they are to get, yes groups can be easier to kill finding a weak link but in a close knit good group you need a way through
honest gate
Or when you kill someone and the animation is in play a temporary godmode/ take no damage during animation
@Drakorus#3598
vocal cosmos
Groups are more difficult, yes, but that's why the Survivors share lives. Bully the one that isn't so good, he may be kicked sooner or later, or get the one that falls behind the group. There will always be one
bronze patrol
Groups are easier tbh.
Solo is more difficult.
You get punished more for attacking than you would in team games.
Its actually easier to kill the best out of the group first because everyone else typically falls apart when they dont have their best player and you can isolate the whole team one by one.
carmine solar
Faster Spit/UV Shield regen in group matches.
Groups even of good survivors are much easier to defeat.
Due to their flares being less spammable, and solo UV doing absolutely nothing once you hit 3+ players
shy prawn
Yeah but once you start hitting skill cap a very different thing happens.
A good 2 team coordination is all you really need to bring down an apex in 4 man and you can turn around and have the other 2 constantly clearing nests.
carmine solar
Not really. In a 4 man, UV flashlights take away almost unnoticeable amounts of energy if it's only one beam. And it only lasts for like 5 seconds.
And each survivor can only throw one flare
As well with the massively increased spit regain
It shouldn't be an issue period.
Sure a group of 4 ultis all have mechanical skill
But once you take away their ability to defend their own selves reliably
It's 10x easier to kill them
Even with their mechanical skill prowess
bronze patrol
Spits are back to old values. 30 seconds for one spit. Theyre not incredibly fast but still very good.
And @shy prawn that doesnt happen. 2 go to nest while 2 fight? Thats your own fault for allowing that by staying behind and letting them get the nest. Its easier to kill them when theyre all grouped together as well. Unless they are the type of players to constantly have heavy weapon out after every single animation lol
shy prawn
Against a reliably good team you will.
I'm talking about equal skilled a pro let's say Evolve team doing runners with appropriate mechanical skill.
You can't reliably make a tournament out of BTZ
carmine solar
No. In a 4 man squad 2 people alone can not hold you away unless you let them.
They would need to be constantly rotating off due to UV Flashlight burn out and low Flare efficiency in 4 man squads.
And you could easily hit them while they rotate for an easy one or two kills.
Even pro teams in evolve made mistakes. And one tiny mistake would lose them the match.
All that it required in that game was the monster took advantage of that mistake.
With 1v4 in DL they don't even need to make mistakes.
honest gate
Hey, people are talking about my strategy!
I might have been the first to mention the idea of splitting a 4 squad into 2 2-man squads
carmine solar
It doesn't work against any good NH I personally know.
honest gate
I don't have a very good rank for BtZ
carmine solar
Nests have way too much heath for 2 people to hold the hunter off long enough
honest gate
I'm Underdog because I get 11 fps
on a mac
playing with trackpad and apple earbuds
on wifi
carmine solar
Superior platform amirite
honest gate
fml
carmine solar
Rip
honest gate
Anyways it sometimes works
Like unless people fuck up it works
2 people can delay a night hunter long enough for a nest to be smoshed
especially if they hold up in a house and make the night hunter attack them
carmine solar
I've never been held back long enough for it to be a viable strategy
If 2 people are in a house
I'll just go for the nests
Simple.
The house men aren't doing anything to help
It only works if the hunter let's it work
honest gate
That is a level of intelligence many do not credit themselves with
House Team isn't doing anything, but many hunters don't realize the inherent disadvantages to charging into a confined space with people who do more DPS and have more health
carmine solar
The most effort I'll go through if I really want to kill the house dudes is a toxic spit. Besides that nests are top priority
honest gate
Yeah so you'd be a trouble to deal with
but most just keep the pressure on House Team
carmine solar
I always keep myself outside unless they're low on health.
carmine solar
"Ez"
honest gate
well pop a UV spit in there and they're fucked
carmine solar
Flares
2 flares
I honestly would just leave and go for nests for the most part. Chances are even if they didn't go in a house I would target nest team first. They're the biggest threat to my loss prevention
prime oracle
What's the easiest way to grind power
dusky kindle
kill zombies at night
dusky kindle
maybe dont go for volatiles off the bat because of your limited fight stamina
dusky kindle
how much damage does it do and what difficulty are you on
#🧟︱dying-light-1 for this since its not btz related
honest gate
@carmine solar Yeah but if they toss flares you toss UV spit
carmine solar
I would never waste a UV spit on a flare on someone who was already hit with another UV spit
Also the flare gets put out then the second tosses his flare
Spit lost
dusky kindle
ground pound
bronze patrol
Jump flare is good for those situations [:
carmine solar
I would just never try to touch a team in a house
Extremely pointless most of the time
cold frigate
BTZ needs to be severely balanced because I can’t survive even 3 seconds outside a Safezone because he’s already right next to me
Literally I respawned in a Safezone after being pounced and killed and I exited the Safezone. 3 seconds later he’s already right behind me and I couldn’t do shit
prime oracle
F
plain wave
Spawning in BTZ sucks ass
I spawned on top of a oil barrel, the flare ignited the oil and blew the barrel up
Instantly killing me
carmine solar
Something about BtZ that sucks is that with proper positioning the NH can isolate you to one spawn.
and if it's inside he can toxic spit it so by the time your screen isn't black anymore you're at half health
cold frigate
It needs to be changed and needs to be balanced
WHAT! My teammate got the night hunter off me right when I got pounced and I still died!
prime oracle
F
cold frigate
That’s some messed up shit. Bugs like that is why BTZ is ass
prime oracle
One guy who sucks can doom the entire team
I think lives should be per-player than per-team
cold frigate
And night hunters should be instakilled if they try to pounce 1 guy sitting in a Safezone if the rest of the team is out. Let’s say I’m afk and decide to stay in s Safezone while I’m busy. Hunter pounced me while in the SZ, team life wasted.
carmine solar
No. They shouldn't.
Because people tend to sit in safezones due to being afk or scared.
It's not fun to wait 5 minutes.
prime oracle
The problem with that is people might abuse it and just camp the safezones
carmine solar
If you don't want to die in a safezone just don't be in one while being invaded
Also if you spend too much time in one your team also loses regardless
So the NH is doing you a favour
cold frigate
The NH gets an easy win if I’m AFK tho
prime oracle
Not too fun waiting for a win bc some AFK guy
lean heart
Why are you afk in session with invasions enabled?
cold frigate
Tried to but he thinks he’s too big for his pants
lean heart
Well sounds like your friend learned valuable lesson.
cold frigate
Then he starts yelling at me because I was afk too long and he was doing everything. The kid’s like 9 years old lol
lean heart
I think you need a better friend.
cold frigate
I think so too
shy prawn
All safezones should have a door that you shut, but once it's shut cannot be reopened until invasion is over.
That way if you want to just 'opt out' of the match but stay in game you can and can still be 'out' of the autobalancer.
If it is match or at least timer based you can create a space where certain people can 'pause' out of a match if they really need to.
prime oracle
Yeah but that disconnects you from the current player
carmine solar
If you don't want to do invasions, dont join a session with invasions enabled
prime oracle
It mainly bugs me for random co-op games
lilac oriole
It's not so much balancing as it's skill gap and matchmaking though as even apex predator it will recommend to fight prey
carmine solar
On Xbox the only matchmaking we have is random. No browser with balance indicators like PC
I still get Ultis a good amount of the time
lilac oriole
I have alot of the top pc survs on my friends list so invade them
fresh lantern
Hi somebedy wants to play bethezombie?
lean heart
@fresh lantern Platform?
fresh lantern
@lean heart steam
lean heart
Go to #289943561347006464 and type !pc then you can access #289746278764642304 channel.
fresh lantern
@lean heart ok thx
hybrid moon
BladeMaster, I think I might have a good idea Techland should do to the BTZ concerning flares.
Idk if I can say it here
@lilac oriole It can also be because of you're Hunter's level and not the rank? Who knows. Maybe it's because they had made a NG+ ? There could be multiple reasons. Rather than the same people, it's like a shuffle on repeat.
honest gate
what do i do if they are camping in the tower safe zone?
hybrid moon
Run for it.
honest gate
seriously?
hybrid moon
Yup.
honest gate
wont i just die though?
hybrid moon
If you're careful and play it right, no.
Unless you're not that good and just a beginner or something. Don't know you so I don't know how well you play in the PvP
honest gate
I just recently got into the pvp so i'm level 4
but from what Ive seen the UV lights will just drain my health before i can get to them
they were on the second floor
hybrid moon
K well what platform are you on.
honest gate
Xbox
honest gate
understandable
hybrid moon
I find tendril sprint as the hunter with controller worse than the M&K
You can't fly and spin around with the controller
Literally have to do it on the ground
You jump when tendril sprinting, it literally just slows you down.
With M&K, it doesn't.
Much more smoother
honest gate
yeah it is what it is
would have gotten it for pc but one of my best friends has it on xbox
hybrid moon
RIP
I see console players come to PC thinking it is console. But it isn't.
You see modders with a dev menu and/or cheaters with something called Infinity or Cheat Engine. Really stupid.
And when I say Dev Menu, literally you and teleport DFA's and DK's
And a shit ton more.
Even crash peoples games.
honest gate
oh yeah theres no doubt a shit ton of cheaters
hybrid moon
I'd say the majority of the whole PC community uses a menu or cheat program
honest gate
yikes, a majority you say?
hybrid moon
Yup.
Out of 100%
I'd wager
Like, 85%. Maybe a bit more.
That's just from what I've seen over the past 2550 hours into the game.
-_-
honest gate
thats alot higher than I would have expected
maybe like every 5th game have a cheater
hybrid moon
You got menu users, cheat program users, then you got hunters that just modify their game files to only increase the velocity and acceleration of the tendrils so they can go faster. It's really pathetic.
brb
Well I'm back if you got any questions.
honest gate
@hybrid moon can the NH dodge a dropkick?
carmine solar
By being far enough away to not make the animation happen in the first place.
But if you're talking about the animation, no. It cannot be dodged.
lean heart
It can't be dodged after human locks the animation on you, but it can be avoided by being fast enough, unless human does it while you're still in animation or you get caught without guard.
round hamlet
^ what they said. Try not to be close enough to let them kick you. Though there are things you can do to follow up after being kicked.
carmine solar
Given that they don't kick you to a lower elevation. Because then chances are they'll be greeting you as you get up.
round hamlet
Yeah falling from a kick is a great way to get DfA'd
Ive found that most players rush you after a kick, to counter this try spitting and jumping as soon as you get up. Chances are theyll get tagged with whatever spit you used, then make your move from there.
hybrid moon
@bronze patrol You really think dropkick chaining isn't fair for the hunter? or just plain out non-skilled? Also, instant tackle is not a blessing. It's what makes the hunter a god, not the player.
bronze patrol
Im saying dropkick is nothing to a hunter who knows how to instant tackle, such as myself. (:
Especially itackle right after getting dropkicked.
Its hardly used by people and catches many off guard.
hybrid moon
Insta tackle is just literally cheap in many ways against newcomers. I see a lot of hunters doing that to newcomers and people that are not skilled enough or know enough to watch for.
Insta tackle can go into hand with tryhards/cheaters
bronze patrol
Im talking about vs someone of equal skill level.
Not the autists who invade noobs purposely.
hybrid moon
Well, you don't get many people that vs someone of proper skill. For example, myself gets hunters that just join to camp roof tops for spits. Then I got hunters of "skill" invading me telling me that i'm a noob when they're tryharding their dicks off against someone that isn't serious about the game. 21 years old and I get too much salt and cockiness in the community.
bronze patrol
Okay and? Not my fault that guy is an autist lmao. If theyre not on your skill level just leave, simple as that. Or ask nicely to leave. I ask the noobs to leave and most of the time they do, if not, thats their choice since the game did give them a pop up regarding skill level.
Also a majority of the BTZ community is full of tryhards who just want the Win. Drop out against them if you want or get used to the saltiness. It is a PvP mode, tryharding is to be expected.
hybrid moon
I mean don't get me wrong, i've played games that i had to go tryhard but in this scenario... Sometimes I'm with a friend that is trying to learn and ya got these dickheads that only target that one person when they are skilled.
bronze patrol
If I came off as being a dick, Im not trying to be btw. Just speaking the truth about this game lol
When I play with newbies I usually stick with them and cover their ass. Have them practice combos and stuff on PvE and then they can practice it in BTZ.
Thats what I did with tackle + toxic bolt + jump slice and now I land it almlst everytime. There are more noobs in this game than skilled players so your newer friend should get other noobs for the most part and then an odd match here and there vs apexs or skilled players.
hybrid moon
I guess you can come off as practicing in those regards to PvE THEN PvP. Nobody really thinks about it when they give the opposite play tips on what they CAN do. Literally had a hunter saying, "what CAN the hunter do then?" Lol. Told him tons of stuff and linked him a video and he just ended up beating himself up in the end when I'm keeping positive thoughts.
As for the combo you had just said, I kinda think the 2v1+ weapon scaling is a bit more challenging but sometimes comes off as cheap at certain points. But y'know, that's just me personally.
And don't get me started on bolts... God their a pain in the ass when you run out in the middle of the match.
bronze patrol
I can craft them quickly lol. Just press esc while theyre crafting and they auto craft.
And i do the same for noobs. I give tips if they arent assholes
carmine solar
Yeah. You don't need to actually sit and wait for it to finish.
carmine solar
Rip
hybrid moon
was gunna play Skyrim and get me that hoe I wanted to get today but i don't know if I want to now...
lol
Fk it.
Back to the warzone
bronze patrol
Lol
Btw @hybrid moon if you need someone skilled to play with feel free to shoot me a request
hybrid moon
We've played together before. Under a different name... Both me and you. Mr. Vertigo.
XD
bronze patrol
Ah yeah. I remember you.
hybrid moon
How's Night?
bronze patrol
Hmm?
hybrid moon
Nightmarz
bronze patrol
Idk. Havent played with him in a few days.
bronze patrol
Im trying to convert my pc speed tactic to console. Its not working out >_>
bronze patrol
Holy fook. Xbox is the definition of aids lol
Between the insane lag, poor optimization, and bad gameplay jfc.
Even on xb1x
hybrid moon
XD
I think this stupid knockback from a goon allowing the hunter to pounce u when ur down is bull
can't counter
trie dholding my uv so when the animation camo into place but never works
bronze patrol
Thats because youre stunned. You cant do anything when stunned but you do get a slight damage resistance buff while downed like that.
lilac oriole
Tfw widow maker hunter calls your crossbow a hack because it dealt ongoing dammage from a poison bolt even though you hit them with a poison
dusky kindle
lean heart
@hybrid moon Do you play invasions with modded gear?
This isn't really fair for hunter to be honest. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1327084629 https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1323572516
lilac oriole
isn't there a gold flare that like drops a missile ?