Cool, so I can get any drug I want?
#politics
shut vine
glad pewter
Yeah
shut vine
Like the drugs used for executions?
glad pewter
Yeah
shut vine
I like it
glad pewter
Its anarchism so you can also inject it unto people in the street id you like
oak shell
shut vine
Also a political platform is the key aspects of a parties campaign telegraphed to the public.
glad pewter
You can do whatever the fuck you want as long as you sacrifice a human from your city every month for the simulation goss
Gods*
shut vine
Biden's was I'm not Trump.
glad pewter
We will defeat the gods dont worry
oak shell
glad pewter
Itll just take some times
So you shoulsnt kill everyone cause then simulation hell will happen
oak shell
Fun fact trump is going to get the same amount of electoral votes that hillary did in 2016
Trump got trump'd
shut vine
Hilary did try to say she was not a career politician too
shut vine
But for some inexplicable reason, no one believed that
glad pewter
Ok yall boring
oak shell
glad pewter
Possum keep in touxh with me
oak shell
h
oak shell
I only joined because I was writing an addon for my server because something pissed me off and I wanted to search for an answer in chat history
oak shell
glad pewter
You will be in a state of orgasm 24/7
oak shell
glad pewter
You wont need to eat cause cosmos will feed you with sun rays
Also sleep is not mandatory
glad pewter
You can fuck chickens all you want if you vote dino 2024
And the chickens will consent
Dont worry
oak shell
All is just under anarcho dinoism
glad pewter
Yes
restive seal
I thought this channel was meant to be about politics, not nonsense.
oak shell
I mean, to be fair
glad pewter
ITS POLITICS
oak shell
Politics is nonsense
glad pewter
VOTE DINO 2024 OR BE BANISHED OUT OF EXISTENCE
oak shell
God, that reminds me of vermin supreme
glad pewter
We will find you
oak shell
Actual king
glad pewter
Ans we will kill you
And leave no trace
Dont worry there will be no trace of you when we will be done
We will be victorious
And we will ascend beyond our simulation
Its only time
Aurora you vote dino 2024?
opal moat
?kick @glad pewter last warning, stop it
red mountainBOT
FlyingDildo#8388 was kicked | last warning, stop it
oak shell
restive seal
Thanks aurora!
plush crypt
mbax 
oak shell
opossum 
opal moat
Aurora
oak shell
based
restive seal
Hi proxi! ๐
oak shell
Civility politics pisses me off
Taking the high road never works and it gets the dems shafted
elder portal
it's morally right
oak shell
It's ineffective
elder portal
it's why some voted for him
though make no mistake, Biden plays the same game every other politician does
restive seal
"Reach across the aisle" works as long as the other side of the aisle doesn't keep dragging their seats further away from you so you have to keep shifting your own seat to the right to be able to reach them.
oak shell
Obama conceeded for a year to a republican denying his supreme court justice
elder portal
in order to gain and keep power, you need to follow the rules of power and play the game
which, of course Biden does
because you can't win otherwise
so it's not all talk and conceding and taking the high road
oak shell
Playing the game only works when the opposition isn't trying to gouge your eyes out
They need to consolidate their power and utilize it to meet their goals
Because the enemy is actively doing that
elder portal
we're not enemies, though
oak shell
The republicans are literally trying to commit a coup
mystic ermine
The issue is politic points
Parties do stuff to score points with their base, and would sooner score points with their base than take a point hit
elder portal
Biden has been calling for unity in the last week or two and I agree
mystic ermine
I agree with the message, but, I've learnt from experience to know that 99% of what politicians say is total BS
oak shell
Unity doesn't work when you have mainstream conspiracy theories that the current sitting president is a god emporer trying to free the country from satanic pedophiles
mystic ermine
Trump had a massive point, biden was in the office 4 years ago, for 8 years, why didn't he do some of the stuff he's cheering on about?
oak shell
Neolibs suck at progressive change
mystic ermine
Stuff like prision reform, people have been wanting that for at least a decade or two
elder portal
for Obama's term, both the Senate and House were republican
I'm surprised they got anything done at all
sick walrus
he didn't even try to pass bills
elder portal
I can see why
mystic ermine
mfw
oak shell
There was a point in time when Obama had full house and senate control
mystic ermine
He didn't like the people in the house/senate so he didn't try to pass anything, AND THAT'S THE HOUSE/SENATES FAULT FOR BEING PEOPLE I DON'T LIKE
That's literally the entire damned issue right now
sick walrus
true
mystic ermine
People would rather scream about how the other party is evil rather than try
elder portal
Republicans took control of the Senate after the 2014 elections, and Obama continued to grapple with Congressional Republicans over government spending, immigration, judicial nominations, and other issues.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Barack_Obama
apparently he did try
many times
nothing passed
sick walrus
after 2014
sick walrus
after his first term
or when he was finishing
there's no excuse for them not passing progressive bills lol
they just didn't want to
elder portal
shit, looking at the Wiki, Obama got a lot done
oak shell
He also did some incredibly heinous things
opal moat
"the keys for gaining power are not the same as the keys for keeping it"
mystic ermine
I mean, that quote just sounds like why trump happened
People get fed up of hearing politicians say they're gonna do X Y and Z, and not doing X Y and Z
oak shell
Fuck Trump, but it's entirely unsuprising trump boomed the way he did
sick walrus
ngl though, trump would've won if biden didnt fail upwards multiple times
opal moat
Considering people are selfish assholes, which we are by design, yeah not surprising
sick walrus
all he needed was a massive economic recession, a pandemic and social unrest to win
mystic ermine
Have you done any history research on biden?
Or are you just following the "he's literally a saint" belief?
oak shell
opal moat
Me?
mystic ermine
Yes
elder portal
compared to Trump, Biden's a goodamned saint ๐
opal moat
No fuck that guy
elder portal
but none are actually saints
opal moat
But if i had to choose between a fascist and a Biden I choose Biden
Not that I want to
opal moat
This
elder portal
Biden needs to follow the same rules of power everyone else does in order to gain and keep it
I don't believe for a second he can win anything without his keys
oak shell
Trump fits the literal thirteen criteria of being a fscist
oak shell
elder portal
keep missing it in Barnes & Noble
oak shell
opal moat
Okay cat, but as the article as saying: it's concerning that you even have to ask that question and it's even more concerning that the answer isn't a clear no
oak shell
opaque prairie
he definitly was calling for the overthrowing of state govts that werent supporting
see the michigan gov kid napping plot
opal moat
He's definitely using fascist tactics
mystic ermine
Well, where did he encourage it?
shut vine
Yeah, most modern politicians including the Democrats use tactics that may have been used by a fascist government at some point.
That doesn't make the tactic itself fascist.
mystic ermine
Last I recall, the people behind it where BLM/Antifa protestors
And, his comments are basically, "she wants to control and say what people can do, and people are getting fed up of it", which is right
oak shell
opaque prairie
oak shell
Last I recall, the people behind it where BLM/Antifa protestors
@mystic ermine It was boogaloo boys lmao
They're as altright as you can get
Twitter
Someone got tired of his shit
mystic ermine
ah, daniel harris
He was the BLM one
oof
See, i was gonna make a gag
I wonder if twitter had hired somebody specifically to watch trumps account
So, does that mean that they've gone home, pee break?
oak shell
I would not be surprised if they've had someone for that for months years
shut vine
I believe there would be 2-3 people on the payroll for a while doing that.
Since Trump does late night/early morning Tweets.
oak shell
No way in hell are they going to let him start world war three on their platform
shut vine
Additionally Tweets can come in after normal work hours obviously
opal moat
Finally he actually gets punished for breaking the rules
shut vine
The idea that he'd start WWIII Is absurd
oak shell
Hyperbole is a thing
mystic ermine
Soooooo
shut vine
He's had the most effective military related foreign policy of recent presidents, no lengthy conflicts started.
mystic ermine
How long do we reckon until the US will start a needless war?
oak shell
Considering we are still in the Middle East
mystic ermine
trump was working on the pull out game
shut vine
Under Biden? First term.
mystic ermine
Something presidents have been saying we'll do for god knows how long but that never arrives
shut vine
Trump had reduced forces there considerably.
oak shell
What technology would allow us to pull out of the middle east and yet have increased presence
shut vine
That article is probably dishonest, he exceeded Obama's first term I believe, not his second.
oak shell
shut vine
Yeah it's comparing first two years
oak shell
Hard to find information past that due to active obfuscation of it
Can't FOIA dronestrike numbers
You can FOIA NSA python training materials though
If I remember correctly, yes
shut vine
Yeah I found an article that had it
I'm pretty sure Obama's last two are similar to all of Trump's years
In the past, I can't seem to find it now
shut vine
I knew that misunderstanding would happen, sorry my bad
oak shell
It's all good lol
shut vine
Wasn't intentional
mystic ermine
https://thepostmillennial.com/new-blacklist-of-trump-sycophants-inspired-by-aoc-being-compiled niiiice
shut vine
Qasem Soleimani, that's an example of how he didn't start a World War when everyone said he would.
Peace through strength.
oak shell
mystic ermine
6000?
drifting arch
all they said is they found a reporting error
mystic ermine
There was some state with a county that had 6000 trump supports flung to biden
drifting arch
mystic ermine
So, they had to do a recount, and, basically, 40-odd counties in that state use that software too
shut vine
Yeah that blacklist Dave Rubin highlighted. It's worrying.
mystic ermine
and a few other close states
drifting arch
GA still isn't called, so I mean... retract what
shut vine
Many states of injunctions at this point, chances of getting a decision soon is basically gone.
Yeah, we wont know until the ballot officials and the courts sort it out.
oak shell
That's why paper ballots are superior because it's auditable
shut vine
Even if Trump loses, I hope if there is some issues that have not been resolved he manages to resolve them.
Which at this point, he's going to lose in my opinion.
elder portal
the man that tweeted 71 million ballots, all for him, are legal
and that he's winning
I'm sure he'll find issues, yeah
just not ones that reflect the actual state of things
shut vine
Yeah, of course, every politician ever "my votes are legit, but the others are cheated in some way".
Well it doesn't matter what issues he finds
It only matters what issues he can prove in court
Well, he might be, but it's highly doubtful that so many ballots are fraudulent without a huge ass smoking gun
If any politician can pull that off, that'd be scary
drifting arch
wouldn't be credited to trump either, neither he nor biden are the ones who developed and tested the thing
yeah well, remove your head from the media's ass and suddenly you aren't thinking that way
i watch that shit because its funny, not because it's good information. no politician had any hand in the development of the vaccine, so the credit for that should go to the hundreds of companies that are making it
mystic ermine
Covids already gone, go look at the biden supporters flooding in the streets
shut vine
Just like blaming Trump for 100's of thousands of deaths, the vaccine isn't related to the president as much as the media or idiots think
visual topaz
Congratulations American friends ๐ฅฐ
drifting arch
i don't blame trump for the deaths, but i do blame his inaction as that could have severely reduced the deaths
mystic ermine
Some state also apparently finally ordered in the national guard to deal with the riots
shut vine
Using COVID as a political weapon was disgusting both for Trump and for Biden
There have been a few over the year that have done that, including Democrat states
Oregon would be hilarious tbh, if it was
They've been rioting for a long ass time
mystic ermine
Yea, was oregon
drifting arch
at least all the drugs are legal in oregon now
opaque prairie
oregon did some good shit this election
shut vine
Regarding COVID and Trump, his issue was he tried to claim he was going to solve it, instead of saying he'd work with the states, it's literally only a political misstep.
opaque prairie
fines for that stuff now go to rehabilitation centers, and severe addicts go there instead of prison
drifting arch
lol yeah he's losing his mind
elder portal
also, on Twitter's voter fraud thing: https://twitter.com/i/events/1308626736066617344
Twitter
shut vine
We'll have to see how that goes in Oregon, I suspect it will work well if they implement it correctly.
elder portal
sure, basket. Sure.
shut vine
I don't personally.
elder portal
I absolutely trust the evidence provided for many years about election fraud
in which to say, it doesn't happen often enough to matter
elder portal
Twitter can't block tweets by the president
so they labeled them instead
and hid them from view
have to go to the tweet to see it
sorry, Trump's tweets are blatant lies
shut vine
Honestly, I'll be skeptical of most things, if evidence of some form of skullduggery comes forward about the election, I'll be skeptical, when it becomes overwhelming, sure.
I'm skeptical that the Democrats did everything above board, and skeptical that any evidence shown by the Republicans is above board.
And vice versa.
elder portal
Twitter is one of many outlets to actually fact-check Trump. You just see it on Twitter mostly because that's what he uses
shut vine
They're politicians, their career is lying to the public. Trump is no different.
shut vine
Well he seems different, but it's better to assume the worst about a politician before you assume the best.
elder portal
it's not "some employee" - it's evidence and fact
"some employee" is referencing it
there's sources that Twitter lays out in the fact-checking
of which I see none from Trump's tweets
shut vine
People have a disillusion about those they vote for, like they're different. Biden's different he doesn't lie every chance he gets!!
Yet there is mountains of evidence of Biden's lies.
Same goes for Trump.
I can get behind that kinda, wish they didn't do it at all
Mainly with political things
elder portal
et. voila, on that Twitter event timeline: https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-ap-fact-check-joe-biden-donald-trump-virus-outbreak-79c34b72633683af195ae945503883fe?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=APFactCheck&utm_source=Twitter
shut vine
They're a private company though
elder portal
Twitter might have an agenda, but that doesn't change the actual evidence. Or lack thereof, in the case of Trump
I, too, can make claims with no supporting evidence
that doesn't make those claims correct
but you all enjoy
I'm headed home
shut vine
I expect everyone here who supports Twitter's actions will support other companies if they decide to use their private freedoms to do things they don't agree with (i.e. not serving a person for any reason).
elder portal
and say it is wrong, with supporting evidence to prove my point*
I finished your sentence
I just posted some
shut vine
I disagree when it comes to private companies.
elder portal
that Twitter had on its timeline
shut vine
Twitter has the legal right to censor whomever they want. I don't have to like them doing it.
elder portal
there is
that's what the link is
it puts you to the event timeline
which has supporting evidence under it
you actually have to click it and read it, though
which is hard for many
anyway, enjoy
shut vine
The claim if true is a serious breech of ballot law btw.
shut vine
It would likely trigger a revote.
Well there is at least partial truth to his claim.
They escorted at least several observers from the building.
elder portal
It's like me saying, "it would be scary if aliens came to earth and demolished D.C." - yes, it would be
But it's not happening
shut vine
The question will be how many and if it breeched the law.
elder portal
Fear mongering gets us nowhere
shut vine
I agree.
It's not even a remotely similar thing to compare btw, one is absurd, one has some legitimacy to it
He will be close, not yet on track though
That trend will have to jump quickly
Think he'll lose it by about 1K
Yeah, so, for every 100 counted, he's falling BEHIND 1 vote.
From what he needs anyway
elder portal
"somehow"
lethal rose
Do you believe they are shady too then Basket?
shut vine
That's a bit strange, could be military votes
elder portal
Do you hear yourself, basket?
shut vine
Common views among military personnel is common I think?
lethal rose
why
mystic ermine
stuff like GTFO out of the east is defo nice for them
Really boils down to other aspects, however
shut vine
Well the change from 50% Biden to 90% Biden is a bit alarming.
shut vine
That's an anecdote, you're more likely to be friends with conservatives probably
elder portal
Stop illigitimizing votes immediately, without evidence, based on nothing but who they're for
I've had enough of that now
shut vine
Egg, he didn't really do that to be fair.
lethal rose
Not really that weird considering he told his own voters not to use mail-in ballots.
Considering Georgia supposedly is a historic red state you might infer they will listen to the red president.
Of course, those who support biden doesn't care about what the lunatic red president says and sent in their vote.
What is "DeKalb"?
tough cedar
a county
shut vine
Yeah, it's still weird, most states I've looked at don't have more than about 70% mail in ballots going to Democrats
Georgia doesn't have stats on that
Ah that makes more sense to be 90% then
Well if it's 99%, the most votes that could be left is about 4K
NC is inconsequential at this point
Still, every state left is inconsequential
Will only be of consequence if something changes in GA or the contested states.
But calling it doesn't stop counting.
Called states can also change.
It's just the news saying they don't think it'll change.
Just like they called AZ and there still being a slim chance of it going red.
It's just the media, not the college calling it.
The college doesn't call it until the 17th
Also the media calling it has no effect on anything other than public perception realistically
shut vine
Well to be fair, Basket investigated and figured out why it was 90%.
drifting arch
lol
shut vine
That can't happen, he has to make it to inauguration.
drifting arch
basket you are something else
shut vine
If he dies before then, I think a contingent vote occurs.
Or if he steps down
Not a contingent vote, contingent election.
drifting arch
today?
you mean every day?
this channel is not currently about politics, so, ima just go do my math homework
drifting arch
this is literal tinfoil hat conspiracy
lethal rose
this is all a ploy to get the first women president
@autumn lotus You are really delusional
shut vine
Eh, no more tinfoil than Russia-gate.
mystic ermine
shut vine
He's probably being elected unfit, it's not really a surprise
lethal rose
I think this channel is enabling imaBASKET in an unhealthy way and therefore i suggest he should be given a role that hides this channel from him.
drifting arch
wow i dont know what drugs you people are on today but i definitely don't want any, keep it far away from me
tough cedar
8 republicans on it
mystic ermine
i've not even smoked yet :L
tough cedar
why would a republican want biden gone
lethal rose
Heya Simple, long time no see.
tough cedar
and replaced with kamela
mystic ermine
But, basically, they're saying that trump has made them see the need for a committe for deciding if a president is unfit to serve
lethal rose
Congress approval of a president wasn't needed before now?
shut vine
A president and vice president need to both be confirmed by both houses of Congress.
mystic ermine
The thing that worries me is the fact that they pushed somebody who's history basically goes completely against all that they stand for, while pushing somebody who pulled out before she flopped in her state who caters towards their ideals muuch better, as his running mate
I mean, yea, conspiracy and all, but, it's a bit iffy
shut vine
Sorry, not them, the electoral tally.
mystic ermine
bearing in mind that Kamala has denounced biden until she got pushed onto him
tough cedar
get someone a bit farther left to placate some of the bernie supporters
like how trump picked pence
mystic ermine
Not to mention, Obama refused to endorse Biden until much later in terms of normal
I mean, Kamala literally laughted at getting the people she's supposidly standing for into jail
But, to be frank, laughing seems to be her total response for "I don't like that you asked me that"
shut vine
lethal rose
I like watching the comedy show called "American presidency" 2016+
What are you implying?
elder portal
Apparently Colbert, etc are entirely about trump and have nothing to give outside of that
Because apparently all of them sprung up with Trump and have no commentary outside of him
shut vine
Well I wouldn't call Colbert news, just like Oliver or Stewart. They're comedians, they'll come up with new material.
elder portal
Which is.. lacking, at best, as an argument
They'll always have something
Because something is always broken
shut vine
Yeah, good comedians always find something.
elder portal
We're not a perfect country
shut vine
They were all making jokes about things prior to Trump.
lethal rose
I mean, if that is what gets viewers whatever.
elder portal
Yeah
shut vine
In fact I think they are to thank for Trump, they all dared him to do it.. and Trump is not the kind to say no to a dare I don't think.
You also know Trump saw it, since he mentioned it on several occasions lol.
shut vine
Biden and Trump will continue to deliver material for people like him.
drifting arch
do you say would of ironically
or
do you actually think that's the full expansion
my grammar
huh, ok
well that confirms it
you are off your rocker
lethal rose
He is quite the insane person.
lethal rose
No, i don't i'm not a native english speaker or writer.
lethal rose
How would i know what it would mean when you just start using non-proper english?
shut vine
Tbh it's pointless to defend your position, even if you think they are wrong
shut vine
It's not a huge deal, mountain out of a mole hill, just say "yeah that's what I meant" and move on.
mystic ermine
I mean, it's one racist white guy against another racist white guy
shut vine
It could be worse, he could have voted for Biden
shut vine
shrug it's semantics, it was not beneficial for either side to pick at it.
lethal rose
I mean, Trump did talk a lot of malarkey about Biden.
shut vine
They both talked a lot of malarkey
shut vine
Stewart was great for a time
Why does it matter where he was raised?
Yeah my point is, why does it matter to them where he was raised, and why does it matter to you that they're right or wrong?
mystic ermine
I mean, if you're tryna kiss ass with your home county coz you were born and raised, but never actually grew up there, it's just weird
shut vine
Yeah that's my point, who cares if he came from wealth or nothing, is well spoken or an obnoxious speaker, substance of policy is what matters.
Yeah that's true Cat.
I think it mostly distracts people from actually important things
weary obsidian
Stewart and colbert have been some of the most loved comedians for the past 2 decades, well before Trump was ever constantly in the news
Trump was just easy material for them
And Trump will continue to say dumb shit after the fact and his supporters
So no loss of easy material
elder portal
I prefer the comedy, and apparently many do as well
foggy fern
elder portal
Comedy doesn't mean information is being hidden or issues aren't being covered
John Oliver tackles some heavy, systemic problems
Yeah, there's a few laughs, but it's clear they do their research and these issues affect many people
tough cedar
throwin shade
goin for a jog there lol
ya when people in other countries are launching fireworks cause they're so happy that trump is probably gone
those kids not wearing masks tho
shut vine
I'm curious what the mask policy will be after inauguration
opaque prairie
hopefully mandatory
mystic ermine
many of the places with mask mandates aren't doing all that great either last I saw, tbqh
I mean, wear a mask, but, social distancing imho is more important than forcing everybody to wear masks
shut vine
Masks have little effect if people don't use them correctly and don't socially distance
tough cedar
pretty sure there is a mask mandate here in texas
mystic ermine
The issue is that when you're stuck in a workplace and stuff like that forced to work around one another all day, it doesn't work all that great
bleak echo
masks would be more useful if people could figure out how to wear them
tough cedar
but I went into the store today and saw like 3 different people not wearing masks
bleak echo
people don't wear them, or don't cover their noses
shut vine
You don't have the supply to wear them properly
bleak echo
my work's policy is both social distancing, and masks required whenever you're not alone in a room
shut vine
Er, not you, USA doesn't.
bleak echo
how does it not? you don't have to use disposable masks, reusable ones are accepted pretty much everywhere
mystic ermine
They're only generally rated for so many washes, etc
shut vine
Yeah, also you have to have multiple of them, probably 3 minimum
bleak echo
yeah, that's not that hard to get lol
tough cedar
pretty sure we dont have supply problems with it anymore
shut vine
I suppose, but when you need over 1 billion of them..
mystic ermine
Well, yea, but last I recall, most of the masks are made in that evil country
bleak echo
we've been in this since mid-march, there's been time ๐
there's also things like people working from home need fewer masks than people who work in person which saves some
shut vine
Well, I suppose that's an issue for Biden to tackle, he's claimed he's the answer to the pandemic, so lets see how he goes.
bleak echo
i mean generally it's an issue for public health officials to tackle
tough cedar
boo confetti thats not good for the environment
foggy fern
Went from that to I Won't Back Down
plush tapir
My status~
tough cedar
i hope he can defuse the tension in the country
the more i think about it I think he was the right call rather than a progressive
tough cedar
o man the drones
elder portal
Yeah
shut vine
Yeah reducing the violence is a top priority.
elder portal
Drones were awesome
shut vine
Fireworks are not good for the environment either.
plush tapir
Sounds like there's a thunderstorm about to start, fireworks apparently
shut vine
Life is a celebration.
restive seal
those are drones, glare
sweet canyon
Oh
elder portal
I'm celebrating with them
zenith basin
sweet canyon
Oh that's true
elder portal
I'm just as happy as they are
restive seal
Also I think it's hilarious that they're cycling a new song every 30 seconds just to rub in how nobody's telling them they can't use their songs ๐
sweet canyon
IKR
elder portal
Lol
sweet canyon
I was thinking about that
foggy fern
The light show is really impressive if that's drones, I thought it was just a giant light grid
restive seal
You can see them shuffling around
sweet canyon
Ikr but it's SOOOOO cool
elder portal
Super awesome show
restive seal
Drone show is a neat new concept
elder portal
Yeah
foggy fern
Yeah it was obvious on the USA one, they lit up before they were in position
Crazy bit of flying for drones
elder portal
We do small ones at my maker space, it takes skill
tough cedar
usa into flag nicee
sweet canyon
That's so cool
elder portal
Biden looks genuinely happy
shut vine
Some of the drones were out of position
mystic ermine
that's the happy drugs
sweet canyon
I think most people are genuinely happy atm
mystic ermine
runs
shut vine
LOL
tough cedar
lemme pull my mask down to talk to you lol
elder portal
It's a new concept
shut vine
Wouldn't pulling down his mask transmit COVID to people over the video?
mystic ermine
what was kinda funny was the "forgot to stop the camera" rolls where you see people taking their masks off as soon as they think the camera was turned off
sweet canyon
Maybe others will follow
mystic ermine
tbf, speaking through a mask is kinda hard
mystic ermine
I have horrors with auditory processing, which when I have anxiety on the side too, being able to see peoples lips moving makes it a lot easier to understand people
shut vine
My biggest thing with masks is the air saturation of your blood goes down, surely there are people that is a huge issue for
elder portal
Once again the messages in this speech were about uniting, not hating your neighbor, trying to make things better, etc
Am in favor of those messages
mystic ermine
politicians say a lot of stuff, I'll wait to see it in practice before I judge
tough cedar
i mean there have been multiple studies into it now and it doesn't decrease your blood o2
shut vine
Yeah, which is what a president has to do, Trump did the same in his 2016 victory
mystic ermine
CO2 is harmful
shut vine
i mean there have been multiple studies into it now and it doesn't decrease your blood o2
@tough cedar this is false
tawny edge
yeah theres plenty of studies that disprove that, air molecules or something are a lot smaller than viruses
elder portal
It's a nice breath of fresh air against years of Trump tweets
tawny edge
proof?
shut vine
Find me any pre-covid study that shows it
tawny edge
who was wearing masks worrying about covid pre covid?
tough cedar
pre covid i doubt i could find anything
elder portal
Why pre-covid?
foggy fern
So it's a big conspiracy and researchers and journals are lying when they publish these studies now?
You sound like bucket ๐
shut vine
Why would it be a problem if it's pre-covid?
tawny edge
exactly, they have literally no reason to lie
tough cedar
so you recognize that there are studies that say its false
tawny edge
its just big pharma trying to sell masks /s
elder portal
Why would it being not pre-covid be an issue?
shut vine
No, that's a straw man.
shut vine
Because it makes it clear as to if the study was affected by COVID or not.
elder portal
Why does that matter?
tough cedar
what does covid have anything to do with it
the air is still the same air
it didn't change just because the virus exists now
elder portal
We didn't suddenly evolve during covid
foggy fern
Here is the latest one https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2772655
Here is one about CO2 not being a problem https://www.atsjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1513/AnnalsATS.202007-812RL
mystic ermine
I gotta get a screen reader
shut vine
Pretty much every pre-COVID paper suggests it has an effect, pretty much every post-COVID one suggest it has none. Why do you think that changed?
tawny edge
source?
foggy fern
Oh so you have some? Gimme
shut vine
What's the second factor?
tawny edge
operational stress
shut vine
I mean that's just one, literally everything I've found pre-2020 showed similar.
tawny edge
alright whats your next one?
shut vine
It wasn't a specific one I cherry picked, it was just any pre-2020 study I could find, by the way.
elder portal
.es domain
What's the reliability
Baskent University
Anyone else reproduce the same results?
shut vine
It's getting increasingly harder to find pre-covid ones, give me a sec
elder portal
Any experts that agree with that study?
tough cedar
shut vine
https://academic.oup.com/annweh/article/56/1/102/166254
Not read it yet
elder portal
Problem is I'm not informed enough about human biology to make a call
shut vine
Not sure it's specifically related to oxygenation either
foggy fern
That one is about temperature regulation?
elder portal
I rely on experts and reproducible studies
shut vine
Yeah I'm not either, though if you consider physics it makes sense
A mask is going to reduce the amount of air you can cleanly inhale
foggy fern
If masks are off the table our only other choice is welding your door shut
tawny edge
physics meaning what?
shut vine
At least affecting the rate
foggy fern
Except O2 and CO2 are vastly smaller than coronavirus or droplets
tawny edge
the gaps in the mask are smaller than covid particles (not the right term, but ignore that) but large enough for air
elder portal
Yeah, it's slightly harder to breathe in a mask, but I'm not convinced that it's dangerous
foggy fern
It's like 0.3nm vs 100nm
elder portal
Certainly safer than spreading an infection
shut vine
I agree
Not saying it's a cause for not wearing one unless a doctor advises you not to wear them
Just for people who don't know they have a condition it could be dangerous
tawny edge
it doesnt effect blood o2 levels at all though, so how would it be even close to milidly dangerous?
shut vine
If someone has trouble breathing with them and they feel like it's affecting them negatively they realistically should see a doctor
elder portal
That's not a large portion of the population
Not by any means
There's far too many people not wearing them that need to be
foggy fern
Should see a doctor and stop going places ๐
tawny edge
if youre able to go to a store and walk fine and everything, youre probably fine wearing a thin surgical mask
elder portal
But you're talking 1% of the population, and 1% of those would actually be affected negatively without help
We should fix those
But it's not a major issue
foggy fern
You have a legitimate reason for not wearing a mask? Your groceries are curbside pickup or delivery only now and you don't get to go get your hair done
mystic ermine
and now I look like a hippie
foggy fern
http://rc.rcjournal.com/content/respcare/55/5/569.full.pdf this is about N95 masks
It shows things are within acceptable limits but one measurement might be a concern
But N95 masks filter way more than a surgical mask or cloth mask
elder portal
'spensive, and doctors need them more right now though
foggy fern
Right, I'm just saying if an N95 is safe to wear then a surgical mask or cloth mask definitely is
elder portal
save those for the doctors, at least until we get more supply
oh, yeah
definitely
foggy fern
What actually happens with a cloth mask is things get muggy and uncomfortable which makes you think it's harder to breathe
Or claustrophobia
elder portal
another tweet from Trump Jr, goody
can't argue with the words, but that's not a tweet made in good faith
no cities were "burned to the ground" anyway
bleak echo
yeah uh no cities have been burned to the ground from any side
foggy fern
bleak echo
ok also i forgot how explicitly religious american politics was
foggy fern
Twitter
elder portal
at least when bringing into context the other tweets Trump Jr. has been making recently, it's not a hard sell to say it's a tweet made in rage
bleak echo
even biden's speech got a lot of christian references in
foggy fern
Biden is a practicing Catholic, goes to church every Sunday
tough cedar
tho i'll say how many violent attempts have the authorities thwarted in the past few days?
shut vine
I mean, he's probably talking about the BLM riots throughout the year where cities were burning.
tough cedar
isn't it like 5?
bleak echo
what cities were burning lol
shut vine
Or like they were burning people to death etc.
bleak echo
what people were burned to death?
tawny edge
wtf when did that happen?
elder portal
I know what he's referencing
elder portal
still not a good-faith tweet, when considering his other recent tweets
shut vine
Yea it's not a good tweet.
elder portal
it's yet another tweet from the Trump side that, yeah, you technically can't argue with the words, but everyone knows the meaning behind them
shut vine
Should have been "we know there are 70 million disappointed Republicans, there have been no riots, please keep it that way"
elder portal
agreed
shut vine
I'm for them protesting, just like I'm for BLM protests, once it goes to a riot or looting that's crossing a legal line.
foggy fern
Chuck Horton Jr wasn't burned to death, he was shot
bleak echo
yeah uh the article i read suggested very little was known about the situation
elder portal
I'm not familiar with the story on that
bleak echo
shut vine
Was he? Thought he was found charred to a crisp? Maybe shot before hand.
shut vine
Yeah could be
foggy fern
The only mention of burning is that arson was happening that night
No mention of him being burned
tawny edge
it just says he was shot while looting a pawn shop, i dont see anything else
elder portal
https://i.imgur.com/fPgMEUb.png I don't know where this footage of Elmo is, but now I need to see it
shut vine
I hope so too
foggy fern
elder portal
fuck yes.
tough cedar
hope/need him to succeed
shut vine
This says his body was found in a torched building, and was charred - though also brings up the looting aspect.
foggy fern
They didn't identify that one but they know who burned the building down
shut vine
Same paper, one article claims found in the building, one outside.
foggy fern
Cadillac Pawn vs Max It Pawn
No one is sure what happened with the one in the burned down building it seems
Not sure if the person who burned it down knew they were in there or who they were
At least as of when this article was written
foggy fern
He was one of the ones that burned down the police station in Minneapolis
shut vine
Oh that's Minneapolis nevermind
foggy fern
Doesn't sound like he was trying to get BLM in trouble so much as he was using this as an excuse to attack law enforcement which is what the boogaloo bois are all about
shut vine
Yeah, there are clearer examples of BLM going too far, also don't think that should reflect on all of them, but they shouldn't protect people who break fundamental laws either
foggy fern
They're a far-right anarchist group or something, they like to shoot at and try to blow up cops
shut vine
Anarchism really isn't on one side or the other of politics tbh
foggy fern
The movement consists of pro-gun, anti-government groups.[1][10] The specific ideology of each group varies and views on topics such as race differ widely.[13][17][18] Some are white supremacist[4][7][15][19] or neo-Nazi[19] groups who believe that the impending unrest will be a race war.[4][7][19] There are also groups that condemn racism and white supremacy,[10][20] although attempts by some individual elements of the movement to support anti-racist groups and movements such as Black Lives Matter have been met with wariness and skepticism as researchers are unsure if they are genuine or meant to obscure the movement's actual objectives.
"supporters see the current federal government as illegitimate, while remaining deeply patriotic. They revere the constitution and see themselves as the true descendants of America's founding fathers. In their view, current US lawmakers are the equivalent of occupying British forces during the revolutionary war. Among the 'boogaloo' merchandise for sale online are images of George Washington armed with a modern, AR-15-style rifle"
They're accelerationists
shut vine
Yeah, accelerationism has right and left variants. Left vs right generally isn't a useful way to group political views regardless.
It's an association thing to make one side or the other look worse, because someone from the left or the right is doing something wrong.
sand shale
The number, too
foggy fern
If that's next week's issue it really would be 46
Unless they've run multiple a week at some point
Week 46 starts on Monday
Or on Sunday, depending on how you're counting
The date on it is for Saturday though so.... ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
foggy fern
Think Trump will pull out the county map again?
He really liked showing this one off for 2016
sand shale
oof
violet lion
This is not totally related to this, but figured it's the best channel to put it on https://youtu.be/tMnytiQCQkA
elder portal
There is no truth to be found in dancing around this point, either: Trump does not want Black people to vote. (He said as much in 2017โon Martin Luther King Day, no lessโto a voting-ยญrights group co-founded by King, according to a recording leaked to Politico.) He does not want young people or poor people to vote. He believes, with reason, that he is less likely to win reelection if turnout is high at the polls. This is not a โboth sidesโ phenomenon. In present-day politics, we have one party that consistently seeks advantage in depriving the other partyโs adherents of the right to vote.
Just under a year ago, Justin Clark gave a closed-door talk in Wisconsin to a select audience of Republican lawyers. He thought he was speaking privately, but someone had brought a recording device. He had a lot to say about Election Day operations, or โEDO.โ
At the time, Clark was a senior lieutenant with Trumpโs reยญelection campaign; in July, he was promoted to deputy campaign manager. โWisconsinโs the state that is going to tip this one way or the other โฆ So it makes EDO really, really, really important,โ he said. He put the mission bluntly: โTraditionally itโs always been Republicans suppressing votes โฆ [Democratsโ] voters are all in one part of the state, so letโs start playing offense a little bit. And thatโs what youโre going to see in 2020. Thatโs whatโs going to be markedly different. Itโs going to be a much bigger program, a much more aggressive program, a much better-funded program, and weโre going to need all the help we can get.โ (Clark later claimed that his remarks had been misconstrued, but his explanation made no sense in context.)
This is how you play the game, yes. Voter suppression is the most effective, but also the most undemocratic
Voter fraud is a fictitious threat to the outcome of elections, a pretext that Republicans use to thwart or discard the ballots of likely opponents. An authoritative report by the Brennan Center for Justice, a nonpartisan think tank, calculated the rate of voter fraud in three elections at between 0.0003 percent and 0.0025 percent. Another investigation, from Justin Levitt at Loyola Law School, turned up 31 credible allegations of voter impersonation out of more than 1 billion votes cast in the United States from 2000 to 2014. Judges in voting-rights cases have made comparable findings of fact.
elder portal
But Trumpโs crusade against voting by mail is a strategically sound expression of his plan for the Interregnum. The president is not actually trying to prevent mail-in balloting altogether, which he has no means to do. He is discrediting the practice and starving it of resources, signaling his supporters to vote in person, and preparing the ground for postโElection Night plans to contest the results. It is the strategy of a man who expects to be outvoted and means to hobble the count.
Alright, this article is worth a read for sure
Trump, in other words, has created a proxy to distinguish friend from foe. Republican lawyers around the country will find this useful when litigating the count. Playing by the numbers, they can treat ballots cast by mail as hostile, just as they do ballots cast in person by urban and college-town voters. Those are the ballots they will contest.
Which we're already seeing
I mean, this was pretty obvious
elder portal
Basically, Trump and Republicans have been setting up to
- ensure as many Democrats as possible vote by mail, and realize that large cities take longer to count
- use things like slight signature variations, out-of-context photos, etc to discount as many votes as possible counted after election night
That's the plan, which was kinda telegraphed a while ago
But so far the plan is at least working with their base, and it might possibly work in courts later
foggy fern
tough cedar
oh man does your signature need to match when you vote? lol
foggy fern
It's really hard to search twitter for things going on in Salem because RWBY Season 8 started today
I'm getting fucking spoilers
The "Top" search just gives me a bunch of tweets from an asshat that has lied often enough to ignore
shut vine
I mean, they're arresting the violent people, and the mayor is obviously trying to reduce tensions by getting the riots to stop. Just like Kate Brown is trying to do with the National Guard.
foggy fern
Apparently some cops were messaging right-wing groups for "help" for tonight in Salem?
shut vine
The election is over, people need to calm down already.
They arrested two of the violent people involved in rioting, as they should.
foggy fern
Part of the help seemed to be "disperse immediately once we call it in unlawful assembly" but there was also a suggestion of helping to keep the antifa folks contained
shut vine
If the cops were doing that then they need their asses kicked. The situation the guy is talking about happened after the Trump protesters had a counter-protest pop up.
Police seem to be wanting to deescalate that tension.
foggy fern
I don't know that it was specifically meant as a counter-protest, in Oregon they've still been protesting every night since George Floyd
shut vine
Yeah I know, not sure about Salem, it could be opportunistic as they were walking by.
The Chief of Police in Salem backed Biden btw.
Salem is close to Portland right?
foggy fern
Here is a whole thread of video clips and updates about tonight https://twitter.com/Johnnthelefty/status/1325214815942373376
shut vine
My US geography is bad, suppose I'll Google Maps it
foggy fern
It's not close but you could live in Salem and commute to Portland every day for work
shut vine
Ah okay
I'm not sure what to make of the videos, what's going on isn't very clear
From the footage alone
foggy fern
btw it sounds like the Trump campaign didn't mean to have their conference today at that landscaping company, the company wasn't involved in anyway
shut vine
I've watched 15, most of it shows very little
foggy fern
They probably just punched "four seasons" in to google maps and booked the first result without looking at what it was
shut vine
What's the issue around that? Didn't hear anything about it.
foggy fern
It was apparently a big nothing about how they're going to fight and blah blah blah
No specifics or anything
The only interesting thing about it was where it was held
shut vine
LOL yeah probably
foggy fern
I'd have a lot better idea of what was going on in Salem but this is the guy I normally follow https://twitter.com/IwriteOK/status/1325258463962804229
shut vine
My guess from the footage is they'd been ordered to clear the government building of the gathering.
They also seemed to have been trying to clear roads based on their Twitter.
Looks like there is a dispute over who arrived first
foggy fern
This is another good thread https://twitter.com/1misanthrophile/status/1325288772003532801
tldr things are in a holding pattern right now while they wait for Trump's lawsuits to give him the election, if that doesn't happen who knows what they do next
(I know she gave a tldr too but I think that bit after the comma is important to mention)
shut vine
The building in the photo here: https://twitter.com/1misanthrophile/status/1325288987628503040
That's where the violence took place.
They rushed at those not associated with that riot, in the direction away from the building (towards camera).
foggy fern
It sounds like the plan was to march past that building
But once they got close it was immediately declared an unlawful assembly
foggy fern
Yeah
shut vine
Yeah, to me that sounds like police were trying to direct them away to prevent violence.
foggy fern
The antifa groups like to march past or to government buildings, it's kind of the place to go
shut vine
The more clashes in the early days between the two sides when emotions are high the more likely it'll turn into something bigger
foggy fern
From the outside looking in Oregon feels like it's always about to turn in to something bigger
shut vine
Yeah..
foggy fern
antifa and right-wing militias both seem to be super active in the state
And not just this year, like forever
shut vine
They've allowed the rioting to continue for months.
Tensions are high just from that.
Yeah I'm all for those groups protesting, but when it gets to become a riot
Police need to shut it down swiftly
bleak echo
never forget the Malheur county wildlife sanctuary thing lol
Oregon is a weird place
and ya Salem is like under an hour drive from Portland
elder portal
Alrighty, so here's the fear of the upcoming results: Trump will continue to cast doubt on elections and refuse to concede (which is already likely) and Republicans will use that to force through a nuclear option (which they've already been planning to do)
That would completely undermine the entire system
And eradicate all faith in voting. Almost certainly a civil war
So.. that's not good
All I can do is hope it all works out
But at the very least it's looking like the best move for the GOP to win "at all costs" is to put electors favorable to the GOP in the EC and use faithless elections, which they can do if they take that power away from states, which they can also do
tough cedar
my brain just can't imagine that happening
elder portal
It's all currently unlikely, but the longer that fraudulent votes are called the more time they have and the more likely it becomes
tough cedar
it doesn't want to
elder portal
I would prefer none of that happen, too
Many people would believe Trump is doing the right thing despite sidestepping all processes
And technically it would all be legal
I hope it never comes to any of that
Just know that if Trump wins at this point, it would be because fuckery happened
Or if a stalemate reached, it would be fuckery
elder portal
Yeah, that's the point
Hopefully this goes better soon
The Democratic party is aware of and has planned for the GOP tactics since the beginning of this year
So that's where my hope lies
Otherwise, the GOP runs away with the election and puts Trump back in the WH despite the election results
meager ice
foggy fern
Is it finally infrastructure week?
shut vine
I wonder if author of that tweet realizes the Galactic Empire are socialists and the Galactic Republic are capitalists.
Oh it's Mark Hamill, he should know then.
meager ice
um
galactic empire is pretty capitalistic
they are extremely racist and allow slavery
shut vine
I should say, they represent every socialist/communist society we've seen.
Not the pure Utopian socialism.
Racism and slavery are not part of capitalism/socialism.
near glen
Don't think to deep into it, this is just a joke ok the titles, lol
shut vine
Yeah it's a funny tweet.
Also it's because The Galactic Empire controls the means of production, not private companies.
If you're not authorized to do business, it's illegal under the Galactic Empire.
near glen
Just fyi, theres a difference between communism and a social democracy
shut vine
Of course, and a difference between communism and socialism, and a difference between a social democracy and socialism.
Interestingly the definition of social democracy varies depending on where you go too, as well as the time period.
meager ice
thats not exactly communism
def not socialism
by that logic old mercantile governments were communist too
near glen
Interestingly the definition of social democracy varies depending on where you go too, as well as the time period.
@shut vine it's all a scale, a spectrum
shut vine
Well, I mean, old social democracy was actually an economic free market, with a welfare safety net.
So basically capitalism + social system.
near glen
Like how the social systems in germany are different compared to more modern systems like norway who are at least a decade ahead
shut vine
Post-war era.
shut vine
Depends on who you ask, basically.
near glen
Well, every country obviously takes different routes what they think is the best way forward, and in those countries exists plenty different opinions, but generally, those principles still stand
shut vine
It's like libertarian, it used to be called liberal, then the term liberal changed.
near glen
Have a free market, that's guarded by regulations, and a plentora of social systems for areas where the market fails
In america liberal means everything, it's insane
shut vine
Yeah, that's Democratic capitalism, as long as the regulations are not overbearing.
Or the post-war era social democracy.
near glen
In Germany, liberal is mostly used in the economy sense (more power to the market, less regulations)
Our liberal party is only elected by CEOs basically, lol
(which is why they will not make the 5% barrier next election)
shut vine
Yeah, liberal in Europe is very different to liberal in USA.
near glen
In america, liberal is more the social stuff, like accepting that everybody is equal and stuff, which is just a given here
shut vine
European liberalism in the USA is called libertarianism; well I'm almost certain, there is obviously a chance I'm wrong.
near glen
And asking for more social systems isn't liberal, it's leftist I guess
Socialist, without trying to give into socialism too much
shut vine
Classic liberalism is basically, you can do what you want, as long as it's not harming others (in a nutshell).
near glen
European liberalism in the USA is called libertarianism; well I'm almost certain, there is obviously a chance I'm wrong.
@shut vine that makes sense I guess
shut vine
I think Europe uses the classic liberal definition. You can probably confirm?
near glen
Well, our liberal party is neo-liberal, they only care about the market and want to protect it at all cost from big mama gov
shut vine
Ah gotcha
near glen
They got the nick name "tax cut party"
near glen
Yeah we got that here, we don't need a party for that
shut vine
You will find the US has changed a lot of terminology from British English.
near glen
This isn't about language really
This is american society missunderstanding the European culture and history
shut vine
Yeah that's true
near glen
All these systems were thought up in europe and then exported basically
Idk, I wish america that it can heal in the next 4 years, I just watched the speech of harris/biden, it had all the current issues I see in america in it, when they managed to work on those with sane response that caters to every american, it should be good 4 years ahead
opal moat
He even mentioned trans issues which is nice
shut vine
I hope so too
I think it will do a lot if the Republicans go through the legal process, win or lose it will give closure to a lot of people
I think Trump needs to shut up for a while, but it's Trump
Or at least tone it down
lethal rose
Inb4 civil war
plush crypt
literally doesnt matter, Biden got PA
lethal rose
He keeps going
Itโs not so much fine than what his supposed mindset behind saying it.
I'm implying that Trump still thinks he is the winner yes, and due to his clear inability to accept loss he is grasping at straws now. Of course there should be some authentication on the votes, but weren't they already authenticated?
I'm like 99.99% sure that Biden will win regardless of the temper tantrum of this insane president you guys elected.
near glen
Biden is the winner, trump is only slowing down his loss and making it more painful, while making him look like a fool
The lawsuits will be looked at, laughed at, and closed, since they have no evidence
Does trump even have enough money for these pointless lawsuits?
lethal rose
It's the US someone will probably lend him the money fairly easily.
plush crypt
i mean, it's trump. what's the chance he's just using the white house counsel?
opaque prairie
very high
