Yeah I think he'll take both lol
#politics
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drifting arch
i had to screenshot using print screen for that because the hover state doesn't stick and right clicking zooms in
smfh
meager ice
use win shift s
drifting arch
not on windows
drifting arch
no i mean, im not using windows
meager ice
oh
drifting arch
all good printscreen worked
meager ice
drifting arch
alright im gonna get some rest, got a speech tomorrow. 🙏 for a blue morning
meager ice
@drifting arch
drifting arch
is that AP? o.O
well CNN keeps having different numbers too
im not sure where THEY even get their numbers so meh ok
meager ice
this is abc
near glen
GA down to 600 votes? Wtf why is this shit so close?
upper steppe
:O
plush crypt
there will still be mail-in votes coming in from both outside the US, and from within it
would be epic if they still end up with him on top though
upper steppe
Back in my day we thought a 2-3% win was close ... This shit is insane
I've never seen it this close
In fact, I dont think I've ever seen the margin smaller than 3rd party's total...
plush crypt
can we get a poggers for Jo's 1%
plush crypt
yes, basket
but that also constitutes he doesn't win PA, AZ, and NV
which atm seems rather unlikely
upper steppe
if biden wins GA that means 269 can happen right
@autumn lotus if he wins GA that's another 16 on top of his current 264
Then they aren't counting AZ
plush crypt
he's also making big gains in PA, whereas AZ and NV are very likely to have one Biden state with their current counts
the likelyhood of a tie or loss for Biden is very small atm
upper steppe
Yeah, I've already come to terms with the loss. Now I'm just waiting to see what he's actually going to do in office once the "I'm not Trump" dust settles lol
plush crypt
You're simply delusional if you think a tie & loss is more likely than a win for Biden at this point lol
It's very much not over, but the likelyhood points to Biden by a landslide atm
that is true
but who knows, the outstanding votes may turn it on the head
upper steppe
Is a tie even possible? I've never looked into it
Lol
That'd be something
Then what happens? Battle royale? Thumb wrestling? Paper rock scissors?
shut vine
GA overtook because a blue heavy county was the only one counting for hours
upper steppe
The house? That seems a little one sided ...
shut vine
It'll probably stay blue though
It's a contingent election, which is one sided, it's based on congressional delegations
Most states wins
Well, most states elects
plush crypt
One important distinction in that though: would it be the current or the new house?
shut vine
New house, but republicans have more congressional delegations
plush crypt
and isn't dems leading there too? at least were last i checked that
shut vine
1 state delegation = 1 vote, so there are 50 votes total, 26 wins
plush crypt
confusing ass system lol
shut vine
Or 51 votes
mystic ermine
'MURICA
shut vine
Well it gets even worse tbh, constitutional scholars figured out a way for a president to steal an election and published it for Trump
upper steppe
looks at puerto rico for a tie breaker if it goes 25/25
shut vine
Well not for him
They published it as a warning
Actually, there are two ways that are legal, how the fuck did no one fix it I don't know
near glen
If it's gonna be a tie, there's gonna be havok, lol
mystic ermine
There's gonna be havoc either way
Trump wins, chaos in the streets
Biden wins, chaos in the streets
shut vine
Biden wins, chaos in the sheets
mystic ermine
Tie, chaos in the streets
shut vine
oh
plush crypt
when will you have chaos in my sheets cat
near glen
If there is a clear winner it won't be as bad
shut vine
Yeah I agree
At this point Trump can't be a clear winner, so hopefully Biden wins everything other than Alaska
At least then he'll have a semi clear mandate
And hopefully Trump will give a good concession speech, quelling it more
shut vine
You picked the wrong election to run out of popcorn
plush crypt
his country's on lockdown so no popcorn for him :>
mystic ermine
psh, lockdown
plush crypt
you're used to the handcuffs, huh~
mystic ermine
shut vine
Lockdown in Britain means it's time to party and overthrow a Monarch right?
mystic ermine
lockdown riots are, fun...
shut vine
Well I'm fine with protesting the lockdowns, but rioting ew
mystic ermine
Well, not really riots
But, it's crazy, imagine paying 9k for your education, another like 3k or so on rent, all to be stuck inside doing your work on a laptop which you coulda done at home, with the threat that you won't be able to go home for xmas, and then waking up seeing fencing all around your dorm
upper steppe
@mystic ermine y'all's social distancing skills seem to be very poor in that video :(
mystic ermine
Yea, but it's a peaceful protest
mystic ermine
I don't know the full extent of it, but they do have stuff like security roaming around, etc
upper steppe
Also, what with the smoke? I can't tell if someone is vaping, or if someone brought their own tear gas canisters and set them off
mystic ermine
smokers
shut vine
Club smoke
near glen
Well, am basically only allowed to go shopping and visit friends or go to work
shut vine
Protesters in UK have smoke machines to protest in style
near glen
But they not putting up walls, lol
near glen
Am allowed to visit friends if you don't mix more than 2 households
mystic ermine
at one point, basically, if you're a family with 4 kids, you weren't even allowed to go meet anyone together
shut vine
I am an essential worker, so have had no issues travelling.
upper steppe
at one point, basically, if you're a family with 4 kids, you weren't even allowed to go meet anyone together
@mystic ermine it's ok, I'm a family with 5 kids. ;)
near glen
am essential too, basically everybody is able to get a paper saying they are essential
shut vine
Though I hate people, so I don't visit friends.
near glen
But company doesn't allow me to come into office 😂
mystic ermine
bet they're super happy with that, I know I would be
near glen
I was in office 4 times since April
shut vine
LOL
near glen
Am essential for my team, so am not allowed to come in is the rule basically
shut vine
I just go in whenever I need to mostly.
near glen
Others are allowed to come in, but they should avoid it
Well, I can roam the streets just fine here too
mystic ermine
I think that the thing that pisses us off the most is that the PM often has half a clue himself what the rules are when he gets on his little stand
near glen
Is boris still your PM?
mystic ermine
And then you have some of the staunch people screaming to stay inside and not do anything, breaking the rules and getting away with it
upper steppe
I quit my job back in may because their response to the stay home orders was to ramp up everyone's overtime :3
mystic ermine
Saying that, some of the people in the labour party got fined
proud vale
It's finally over...
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gg ez
weary obsidian
brisk cradle
Spicy, Biden up 1,000 votes in Georgia.
Also, I would not assume military servicemember = Trump voter.
There are Democrats in the military too.
fast flame
Yeah I don’t think the military likes him
Especially if all those claims of him shitting on service members is true
brisk cradle
Though again it's possible Trump moves back into a slim lead in GA
brisk cradle
I'm talking about Georgia. Biden has a VERY small lead (only about 1,000 votes)
weary obsidian
And the one low reporting Trump County in GA is super tiny
brisk cradle
Thousands more absentee ballots will continue to be counted Friday, including 4,800 in Gwinnett County. In all, about 10,000 absentee ballots remained to be tallied, in addition to a few thousand military, overseas and provisional ballots.
fast flame
I’m glad Ossoff managed to push it to a run off
brisk cradle
Georgia on everyone's minds. This runoff is going to cost the equivalent of a small country's GDP.
Oh god it's going to be a terrible time here.
@weary obsidian pretty sure there's going to be a buncha conservative states who rename one of their counties "Trump County"
Finally, we can rename one of our counties from being named after a racist, slave-owning Confederate general to being named after a racist US president!
opaque prairie
theyve given biden SS protection and restricted airspace around him
along with several gop lawyers and senators have begun speaking out against trumps claim
brisk cradle
That's what counts as progress in places down here. Mississippi for instance.
weary obsidian
well biden had SS protection, all R/D nominees get it, and he had it from being VP anyways lol
brisk cradle
Pennsylvania is going to elect Biden. Arizona and Georgia could be icing on the cake.
opaque prairie
i guess i should have said he got increased SS security, my bad
but yeah i think PA takes it
weary obsidian
nv was on track to take it too, but volatile
foggy fern
We won't know GA, AZ, NV, and NC results for a bit still but with PA in the Biden column those are just a bonus
I mean, some places have already called AZ too but I've started getting worried about it
Either I'm confused or the Trump campaign is, how could a recount in Georgia let them find signs of ballot harvesting? The ballots don't have a name or anything on them
weary obsidian
yeah lol
foggy fern
The time to find that was when the envelopes were being opened
weary obsidian
and you know its easy to compare # of absentee vs # of requests to detect fraud
foggy fern
The recount is literally just going to be to make sure they counted correctly with maybe some argument over non-perfect ballots where a person had to decide if the ballot was valid and who it was voting for
A recount in MI last time found Trump an extra 131 votes so the first count isn't perfect but the race isn't that close
brisk cradle
I bet the Trumpists are going to spew some conspiracy theory shit about how Trump was headed towards a YUGE victory in GA but then they mysteriously "found" a bunch of mail-in ballots that all supiciously voted for Biden... well, Trump had it coming for himself for telling his voters to not vote by mail
opaque prairie
i mean yeah thats been the argument
foggy fern
Trump tried to get on TV last night and say that
As soon as it was clear what he was doing most cut him off and some even removed the video from their online platforms
weary obsidian
i wonder, does trump want GA stop the count now
foggy fern
I don't know if Fox News showed the whole thing, I know OANN TrumpTV did
drifting arch
weary obsidian
wait OAN is real? I thought that was fake from Borat lol
foggy fern
Nope, and they really did let a random person into the White House to show it off 😄
weary obsidian
is the nope to real or fake
drifting arch
y i k e s
weary obsidian
so did they really hire her based on a fake resume or something
foggy fern
No, they thought she was a sympathetic foreign journalist and wanted to show off the press areas in the White House
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I doubt the Trump campaign's challenges will lead to anything. They probably at least have to put up the appearance of fighting the results.
foggy fern
So are you guys ready for the Trump 2024 campaign?
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I'm expecting it yeah lol
drifting arch
"2020 was stolen from us. Let's revert everything Joe did."
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drifting arch
yikes
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bannon had a gamer moment 😄
drifting arch
still very close, but they're almost 100% reporting so hopefully it sticks
they'll both be recounted
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I think PA will stick, as long as Biden takes PA then it doesn't matter at this point whether he loses NV, AZ and GA
drifting arch
they are, they just want to report all of them and immediately be at 100% reporting
(iirc)
drifting arch
all i've heard is they're counting and plan to bulk release the count
i have no idea why
¯_(ツ)_/¯
apparently they plan to release something today
and then "the bulk" of mail ins will be done by Sunday, but they're taking provisionals until nov 16 apparently
weary obsidian
I love Colbert and Stewart. I went to the Rally to Restore Sanity And Or Not Fear when they did it many years back
foggy fern
opaque prairie
4k votes left in Georgia at this point, looks like it will get called today
foggy fern
Trump is falling behind the % he needs in the outstanding ballots in AZ
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Decision Desk has called it.
foggy fern
Was 59% but the last update was 52% so now he needs 63% of what's left
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Biden only needs to win PA and can lose the rest, it's over.
foggy fern
decision desk hq
They're the source of that fake "look at the 100k votes they just made up for Biden" thing that was going around
Someone took the before/after pictures for them correcting a typo and flipped them so it looked like adding 100k instead of removing 100k
They weren't wrong, the last digit was a 9 and they accidentally hit 90
Not clear if it was them or AP that actually did it
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As far as I can tell AP should just call PA now
foggy fern
AP themselves didn't report that number but someone said they've had some mistakes like that that they've corrected before putting out an update but if someone was using their raw feed they might have gotten the in-between number
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I don't see Trump coming back
foggy fern
It was either AP or DDHQ putting AP's data into their system manually
Because the trend is that Biden will get 60-80% of the remaining votes
They haven't called it because they aren't sure enough of that but all the on-air people seem to be
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AP stands by their AZ call, they seem very confident about it.
So apparently not a mistake.
foggy fern
Trump is falling behind where he needs to be to make up the difference in AZ
It's still possible but getting harder
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Doesn't matter, they were confident in their methodology and data.
Blame then if they're actually wrong.
meager ice
PA's lead will only get wider
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Correct
Unless it's super close (within 1000 vote diff) then a recount won't change the outcome, typically. Litigation is already being tossed out, turns out you need evidence.
oak cloak
Lol basket you're clinging on to such silly ideas. Biden closed the PA gap from 300k and is now up nearly 10k, that gap will only get wider now. PA went exactly as predicted, it's over
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Who knows, maybe Biden wins with 273 and there are 4 faithless electors whose votes aren't invalidated, could happen but highly unlikely 😛
oak cloak
AZ can still go to trump potentially but the AP is rarely wrong. They know a lot more about this stuff than you do. Eg remember when you said biden couldn't possibly win in VA, GA, or PA and he's won all of them
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Though I'm guessing Biden will take AZ too, so should be well over 270
oak cloak
Yeah he's probably take NV too
Gap is widening in NV now and an expert in NV politics yesterday said he didn't see a path for victory for Trump in NV
lethal rose
Who won in florida?
oak cloak
I'm glad we can finally safely say the candidate who has received 4 million more votes total will actually win the election
? Trump won FL on election night
lethal rose
I see.
foggy fern
@autumn lotus even in some of the red counties they were looking at last night where Trump had like 60% of the total votes the ones still coming in were just over 60% for Biden
Turns out when you tell your voters not to use absentee ballots they listen, at least in PA
oak cloak
Yes so exciting that our system is so bad that even after the flawed system of voting to begin with which allows presidents to win without receiving the most votes, there's another step after that where the actual electors can do whatever they like and ignore the will of the people entirely. Yay
foggy fern
If faithless electors or some similar bullshit does end up flipping things I'll help build the guillotines
oak cloak
Same
foggy fern
Right and then I'll help build the guillotines
oak cloak
The people have voted, if the election is so corrupt that the vote doesn't matter, this whole place needs to be torn down and rebuilt
foggy fern
I will be 😛
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Only realistic scenario faithless electors has a chance at changing the outcome is if Biden wins PA but loses everything else, even then it's highly unlikely you'll get enough.
short vessel
restive seal
Faithless should work at Biden AZ/NV, Trump remaining, as that would put him at 270 exactly right?
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Yeah there's different scenarios it could work, but I think he'll win PA for certain, which means he'd have to lose all the rest
foggy fern
Nah, just PA puts him at 270, if he gets GA, AZ, and/or NV too that puts him past what he needs
restive seal
It's way too close for comfort.
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Basically for the faithless elector strategy to work, he has to win with a razor thin margin or at exactly 270
foggy fern
Crazy that Georgia appears to be our swingiest state now
oak cloak
That's entirely because of Stacey Abrams
foggy fern
Oh I missed yesterday's Iowa covid update, 4700 new cases
We're still over 40% positivity rate
Went to go look for today's and realized I didn't look as yesterday's
brisk cradle
@foggy fern that's crazy
lethal rose
Is there even any real covid restrictions in the US anymore?
opaque prairie
depends on the state
lethal rose
How crazy
brisk cradle
I go to the grocery store and half the people don't wear a mask despite a mask policy supposedly being in force.
opaque prairie
NY is still pretty heavy in its enforcement of stuff right now
i havent seen anyone without a mask in public in a long time
brisk cradle
I live in GA, we have all but given up on coronavirus
opaque prairie
yeah....
brisk cradle
Kill grannies and kids for the sake of "TEH ECONOMY!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111!!111!!!1"
weary obsidian
i avoid walmart because of fuckheads, but i grocery at harris teeter and everyone wears masks there
weary obsidian
target seems reliable on masks too, they have someone watching the door
brisk cradle
about 8.4k deaths in GA
opaque prairie
about 8.4k deaths in GA
thats more than bidens lead monkas
brisk cradle
kek
The employees wear a mask, I wear a mask, some people do, but a lot of them don't.
opaque prairie
yeah Ny will fine you pretty much. police are decent about enforcement depending on where you are
ny has been particularly aggressive on colleges, which has worked decent
opaque prairie
cuomo gets a lot of shit, a lot of it rightfully, but he def did a better job than most states
brisk cradle
Stacey Abrams, she would've at least tried to handle this properly.
opaque prairie
stacey abrams is the champion of georgia, she has got to be the only reason dems came close to winning
foggy fern
Just got today's numbers, 3393 new cases and another day above 40% positivity
Our 7 day positivity rate is 39.94%
brisk cradle
I guess America is going to be the world's laughing stock for the next decade
And you know what, that sounds about right.
Unfortunately I don't think the Trumpists will take that lesson.
Twitter thinks I live in Pennsylvania, ok
foggy fern
I thought 1.2k is where it ended up after Biden took the lead
Or was it 1.5k?
Also 1.2k is the same characters as 1200 and harder to type, not sure why I did that
plush crypt
it's more inaccurate, amaranth :p
no, 1.2k can be 1210, 1230, 1260, whatever; 1200 may be perceived as 1200
opaque prairie
- would be more accurate than 1.2k i think
not a fan lmao
most of points i lose on labs are sig figs 😦
fair enough, for me sig figs are always defined by my machining capacity. never got into the carrying though data mindset
yeah i know what youre saying
i just never got into that mindset. not a huge deal
i think i agree with that yes
precision is how tightly you can identify something, accuracy is how right that identification is i think
i dont do a ton of data manipulation regularly, glad i atleast have that right
12.5k gap in georgia
foggy fern
Oh wow that widened a lot
Oh, I think you're just bad at math 😛
I'm seeing 1561
Ah, but PA is 12390
weary obsidian
lethal rose
My iq was just lowered hearing the second presidential debate, whenever trump talked i was reminded of my days helping out people on spigotmc forums.
weary obsidian
pulsar turtle
sweet canyon
foggy fern
PA could still go to Trump, provisional ballots don't appear to be following the trends absentee ones did
Which makes sense, those are people who got absentee ballots then went and voted in person anyway but didn't bring their ballot and envelope to turn in
Trump would have to get basically all of them though
sick walrus
bruh i was promised a coup and civil war 😠
foggy fern
And they'd all have to actually be valid
Some of them might be people who voted both ways either because they thought their absentee ballot wouldn't count or because Trump suggested they do it to ensure voter fraud wasn't a thing (by attempting it...)
shut vine
Casting a provisional if you did mail in is legal
near glen
German satire shows are in a really bad state right now. First we finished the new airport in berlin after 14 years, then trump has to leave the white house, who we gonna joke about now?!
foggy fern
France?
opaque prairie
trump winning looks nearly impossible without democracy shattering decisions
foggy fern
Could get at least a few months out of Macron marrying his teacher
Probably already did though
shut vine
Trump could only win via constitutional loopholes, though he's set himself up for them already
Constitutional scholars predicted this and nothing was done to resolve the issues
near glen
France?
@foggy fern quite frankly, the current situation in france isn't really worth joking
It's actually rather dangerous
Wars about religion are always bad
You'll have Biden to joke about soon
@shut vine fingers crossed
No that's not the problem
Stop blaming everything on immigrants
The problem is a select few radicals
Which aren't even french citizen
And Erdogan is a big problem
foggy fern
I don't think they need to do everything just like the people currently living there
near glen
You don’t think people should assimilate with the country they are entering?
@autumn lotus assimilate is definitely the wrong word
foggy fern
integrate is the word you want
near glen
They need to abide to our laws and respect our culturw
Yes, that's what integrate would mean
shut vine
The basic requirements to have immigrants immigrate successfully is they learn the language of the people, and have the same morals/ethics.
near glen
Assimilate would mean giving up their culture, which is not what we want to force on anybody
shut vine
Or at least that they respect the law.
foggy fern
shut vine
It's not really the correct term, unless you qualify it somehow
It means to become similar
foggy fern
The Great Melting Pot is talking about integration
near glen
It’s the word everyone uses for it
@autumn lotus not here, lol
foggy fern
French culture would probably want assimilation though. They seem really anal about not wanting to lose what it means to be French to English and American cultural exports
shut vine
I'm not being politically correct when I say this
foggy fern
Or maybe that's not a popular view there but just the academics
shut vine
Just because someone uses a term for a purpose, and that use for that purpose is widespread, does not make the use of that term technically correct
That being said
We're arguing over semantics tbh
I am pretty sure he didn't mean it in the way with the negative connotation
foggy fern
TIL the melting pot was actually promoting assimilation and the name is just wrong 😛
shut vine
Maybe he did, but easier to assume he didn't, since a person who meant it in that way, if they wont admit it once, they will never
So it's a waste of your life
Think of the Borg from Star Trek
That kind of assimilation is the negative connotation
It's also a butchering of the term, but regardless
foggy fern
TIL the Borg were supposed to be insects but they didn't have the budget for that
shut vine
The negative connotation is like forcibly making someone become the same as the rest of society
Which is technically what has to happen in various key areas if a person is not a suitable immigrant, i.e. someone who doesn't respect the law, would have to be forced by the law to comply with it. But that has to happen if they are an immigrant or not an immigrant.
timid oyster
residential schools in canada is one example
foggy fern
France's seemingly rabid atheism is another way
timid oyster
natives were taken away from their families, forced to speak english, and were punished if they did anything related to their culture
that is forcing lol
foggy fern
Or these guys
Forcing them to believe something is a generational action, forcing them to do something just requires having enough force
shut vine
Well those guys are sometimes necessary to force people to abide by the law
Yeah but there is no reasonable reason to prevent someone practicing their culture in your country provided the acts themselves are not illegal
And looking it from an impact standpoint, if certain parts of your culture are illegal but not affecting another person involuntarily, those laws are probably unjust
i.e. China's treatment of people with different political ideas, people with religious views, etc. is extremely egregious and heinous
foggy fern
They have maybe 3 hours worth of things to talk about but need to fill about 16 hours of air time
opaque prairie
biden up nearly 4k in GA 
sweet canyon
oak cloak
The remaining votes needed to call AZ are supposed to be released in about an hour
moment
opaque prairie
The remaining votes needed to call AZ are supposed to be released in about an hour
got a source? i just read they stil had 200k they were planning on doing over the weekend
drifting arch
AP, but yesterday everyone had different numbers 
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Biden only needs to win PA with as little as a 1k lead, a recount won't make a difference.
He has plenty of buffer at this point.
drifting arch
here's what i see https://owo.whats-th.is/7RMceA5.png
oak cloak
source is NYT:
Officials in Maricopa County, Ariz., expect to release tens of thousands of newly recorded votes around 9 p.m. ET. The remaining votes there will be key to deciding a tight race.
drifting arch
lets go maricopa
opaque prairie
ah got it, here is what i head from cnn
"Arizona secretary of state anticipates 235,000 outstanding ballots to be completed over the weekend"
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So what that's like an hour from now?
drifting arch
yes
oak cloak
I'm not following as much anymore, it's exceptionally unlikely that Biden will lose PA or NV at this point. He'll probably keep AZ but we'll see. GA can't be called due to recount, but a recount isn't going to give Trump the win if Biden has already won it
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How much left to count in GA?
cosmic badge
Recounts don't usually find erroneous counts more than >100
drifting arch
i feel like it would be a major controversy if a huge discrepancy was found
that implies some not so fun things
oak cloak
I saw <1k left in GA
but yeah recount may change the number very slightly, but if it was all done legit it won't change the result
drifting arch
restive seal
fast flame
I don’t think they could see the forest for the trees with that song
drifting arch
ruh roh, trump gaining in az
opaque prairie
i'll trade az for pa
fast flame
He closed the gap in AZ but it still doesn’t put him on track to win it
sweet canyon
foggy fern
Best reply to that video: https://twitter.com/CasseroleFood/status/1324893961585090568
foggy fern
drifting arch
holy wtf
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmMDLomW8AIWzxp?format=jpg&name=medium
if you fail to step up, the president will no longer consider you a trump supporter and your name will be removed from our donor list
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Haha
sweet canyon
Bruh
pearl plinth
did you spill your beans on there or smth
drifting arch
thats how it came lol
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You know it was Trump's idea to send that out lol
opaque prairie
this feel less like a we need this money to win and more like a last minute pilfer of the supporters before they accept their loss
drifting arch
if anyone wants to watch, biden is doing some press conference soon https://www.pscp.tv/w/1mnxelNvXNAJX
foggy fern
Apparently his campaign is in debt, I'm guessing some of that debt is either a loan from Trump or a loan he guaranteed
drifting arch
whose?
foggy fern
If you look at the fine print on his separate legal fund for the lawsuits they're doing it says half the donation is going to his campaign fund
Trump
sick walrus
is periscope still a thing
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Dude's good at being in debt
opaque prairie
lol hes very very good at that
drifting arch
biden just went live, just fyi
foggy fern
When he was "self-funding" in 2016 he was actually just giving his campaign a loan that other donors paid him back for
opaque prairie
homeboy biden needs to set up a twitch account
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dunno, works for someone like AOC but dunno bout Biden, prob just get trolled
opaque prairie
thats fair
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Biden is not very good at speeches, but at least he reads from the script 😛
opaque prairie
pretty sure biden actually has a diagnosed speech disorder
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Ah, didn't know that.
opaque prairie
i think its just stuttering, but hes had it since a kid, and it is a recognized speech disorder if severe enough
cosmic badge
Yeah, at least he can string together a coherent sentence, unlike Trump.
opaque prairie
very much true
drifting arch
how much of a gap is 'not automatic recount territory'?
opaque prairie
Depends on state
drifting arch
PA
opaque prairie
But for pa it is .5% less
drifting arch
hm
so, Biden has 3,337,069 (per AP) in PA. 0.5% of that is 16685.345, round down ig.
the gap is 28.8k. so that's not in auto recount territory right? cnn said it's still in auto recount territory so idk
opaque prairie
.5% of total votes cast so
drifting arch
oh
opaque prairie
He actually just barely in recount territory
foggy fern
Oh hey I think the Democrats picked up another House seat, it's +5 net gain for Republicans now
iirc it was +6 before
elder portal
https://i.imgur.com/ytLo5nc.png dasalotta retweets
foggy fern
Pretty sure it was this one in Georgia in the Atlanta suburbs
elder portal
Trump's recent is just entirely RTs
foggy fern
All of his tweets were getting flagged
elder portal
ahh, I see
foggy fern
Guess he figures if someone else got away with posting it he can just retweet and be fine
foggy fern
newsmax is possibly worse than OANN
restive seal
Time to break out a vpn to visit that site to learn wtf it's talking about without getting my phone to start giving me far right news stories for the next month
foggy fern
His most recent retweet is a video of Gym Jordan talking about the "big win" Trump got in the Supreme Court tonight
elder portal
what win?
foggy fern
He filed a lawsuit in PA to get them to keep the ballots that come in after election day separate because they're being disputed. Case was tossed out because they're already doing that
elder portal
I've been dead all day. Got four and a half hours of sleep due to work scheduling
took a nap
woke up to this
restive seal
First of all it's an opinion article on their site.
drifting arch
im looking at it while on my vpn and its some very scraggly talk show with a dude talking to another weird looking dude talking about the true legality of the election lmao
foggy fern
Trump kicked it up to Supreme Court, Alito wrote an opinion that said "please keep them separate"
No problem, they're already doing that
Trump and friends act like it's a big win
restive seal
...
Dennis' main complaint was that Article VII, Section 2, of the Pennsylvania Constitution, provides that "The general election shall be held biennially on the Tuesday next following the first Monday of November in each even-numbered year," i.e., on one day, and that the legislators of Pennsylvania who voted for a statute that allows vote-counting after that day, according to Dennis, "violated their oath by passing an unconstitutional law."
foggy fern
iirc legislators in PA were against counting the ones that arrive late, it was a court order that they do so
restive seal
It also declares PA and GA are trump
restive seal
So yeah, it's ... not worth reading
elder portal
figures
also, the tune changed here very quickly
https://i.imgur.com/PIj4oQR.png
https://i.imgur.com/MYtkAnc.png
went from "we'll definitely win AZ" to "maybe it's right"
elder portal
me, too
drifting arch
and not live a fucking reality tv show
elder portal
president is far too above me for me to care much in my work life, ultimately
but still
drifting arch
yeah i just. idk, i want an actual professional that is not screaming on twitter every day
elder portal
same
foggy fern
drifting arch
whats the source for that?
foggy fern
It's based on data from https://alex.github.io/nyt-2020-election-scraper/battleground-state-changes.html#
elder portal
https://i.imgur.com/NjQRjtt.png
Mine's on the Guardian
some different numbers, here
foggy fern
The table I posted is from early this morning
elder portal
ahh
foggy fern
The website has the latest numbers
elder portal
not sure what Guardian's lean is
foggy fern
I think they'd be considered left leaning in the UK
elder portal
left leaning, yeah
foggy fern
I know they're considered left leaning in the US but basically everything from Europe is 😛
elder portal
which is.. Same as the US left?
or no?
wonder how different the political parties are
so- grain of salt with Guardian, but I can't imagine the numbers would be far off
foggy fern
The Democrats platform in the US is probably most similar to the Christian Democratic Union in Germany which is center-right (and also currently in power)
shut vine
Interestingly the percentage voting for red between 2016 and 2020 for the black demographic went up from 16% to 20% (male) and 4% to 8% (female), and the LGBTQ demographic went up from 14% to 28%.
elder portal
yeah, black and LGBTQ+ are very democratic
republican laws screwed them over one too many times
foggy fern
Trump did better than expected and much better than 2016 in every minority demographic, I think
shut vine
Also Muslim vote went up for red too.
foggy fern
But in exchange he lost white women and old people
shut vine
I'm surprised how much the total vote percentage went up.
shut vine
Oh yeah, it's evolving.
foggy fern
One theory for losing (mostly suburban) white women is that they don't want to explain to their children why it's okay for Trump to do/say things but not okay for them
shut vine
I'd be interested in polling people who hadn't voted regularly before why they voted this year, personally.
foggy fern
He isn't a good role model
Like, from a policy perspective they probably still line up more with Republicans but Trump the man was enough to push them away
elder portal
it's a polarizing election year
shut vine
Possible, lot of speculation in the reasons for the shift
elder portal
moreso than usual
30% bump across the board is a lot, though
I'd be interested in why, too. It's awesome
more people voting
shut vine
Yeah it could be the polarization that did it, but Democrats spent a lot of money on advertising too, think the biggest spend on political campaigns by a party in history if I understood correctly
Their campaigns are going to energize the opposition too, obviously
I'm curious how much the polls affected things
oak cloak
So at this point the only reasoning I can think of for not calling the election is fear of how Trump and his followers will respond when they do, so no one wants to be first
oak cloak
Decision desk hq isn't major enough to kick the rest into gear I guess
foggy fern
I only know of Decision Desk HQ from twitter
shut vine
Often that happens before it gets called
foggy fern
I thought they were twitter's own election thing, actually
shut vine
Especially in close elections.
oak cloak
Well I suspect Trump will never give a concession speech
shut vine
I suspect so too
foggy fern
Biden's speech tonight sounded like he was trying to give his first speech as President without declaring victory
Bush Sr didn't give a concession speech, did he?
iirc he had his press secretary or campaign manager give a speech
He was standing there though
shut vine
A concession speech from campaign staff basically makes the rest of the process a big rubber stamp
foggy fern
Ah, no, looks like he did one himself too
shut vine
It's actually a pretty important step
If Trump doesn't give a concession speech, the formal process takes over
So news outlets are probably very reluctant to call it
foggy fern
Once PA gets outside of 0.5% and it's clear the provisional ballots aren't going overwhelming for Trump they'll probably call it
shut vine
Has AZ finished counting yet btw?
foggy fern
Last update from NYT is they still have 180k to count
shut vine
Rip
elder portal
48% Trump vs 49.8% Biden, 180k left to count
oh, that's NV, not AZ
NV is < 200,000
all the uncalled are close
elder portal
but as I said before (and as we see) the longer we go on the more blue it gets due to the nature of the beast
PA was a pretty safe blue bet
GA fuckin'.. Nobody called that.
restive seal
Well I suspect Trump will never give a concession speech
Perhaps a rally instead.
shut vine
Oh I mean, at one point they clearly stated the votes left were the mail in ballots, and based on the percent that should have been more red.
shut vine
Yeah it also polled as a red win mostly right?
shut vine
Interesting how the polls were so far off
elder portal
all across the country
shut vine
I know.
oak cloak
I mean this is what we feared months before the election. We knew this would happen and Trump wasn't shy about telling us he would do it too. Trump not giving up power puts an enormous risk on this country
shut vine
I am saying based on the percent that were for registered Democrats, red should have won.
elder portal
I think we'll be okay, though
shut vine
Though I think I somehow miscalculated it
elder portal
even in worst-case scenarios Trump can't do a lot of damage that can't be undone quickly enough
shut vine
Or maybe the numbers changed just enough from votes they didn't expect to get
elder portal
uh.. Unless it's nukes
but I don't think it'll be nukes
there's not enough time left for him
shut vine
Uh so..
A problem with the EC, probably the biggest, is states decide how to select and instruct their delegates to vote
As well as the rules, etc.
Additionally, technically both parties can send a delegation
oak cloak
The secret service and the military will absolutely not follow trump if he simply refuses to leave the white house, they will arrest him and drag him out if necessary.
But trump has placed a lot of judges and he has complete intention on dragging this to the courts. That's his only possibility of winning, make the courts overrule the EC and the people's vote. And some of his judges are fiercely loyal to him. It's an extremely tense & potentially dangerous situation
elder portal
I think what happened at polls is a similar story to what happened with us - we got people coming to the door asking if we were going to vote Trump or Biden, and based on the insanity of people I always answered "I'm not sure"
because I don't know if I'm going to be blasted for saying one or the other
I like my life
oak cloak
I've never once been asked lol. That living in CA & OK life
yeah I wouldn't answer that question either
elder portal
yeah
many Trump supporters are "loud & proud", and the rest of us don't want to get shot
so I can imagine polls being favored red
that's my take on it
oak cloak
polls were favored blue in most areas though
oak cloak
everyone assumed it would be a biden blowout
shut vine
elder portal
I didn't hear that at all
shut vine
Some of those have information on the flaws of the states having power to control the EC.
drifting arch
well, my parents are trump supporters and at first they called themselves "loud and proud" when trump was winning, now they're calling themselves the "silent majority"
shut vine
As well as the EC/constitution itself.
oak cloak
I think part of it could be people are embarrassed to publicly admit they vote for trump
elder portal
bringing it to court is Trump's best chance
but that's a hugely small chance
and would destroy the country if it succeeded
overriding the will of both the people and the EC is a good way to get on the shit list
shut vine
According to constitutional scholars there are easier ways.
elder portal
well, again, there's always nuclear options
shut vine
They actually tried to warn the government, but possibly laid out a plan for Trump inadvertently.
elder portal
I hope it doesn't come to any of those
shut vine
Well it's legal, but not very Democratic.
cosmic badge
Love how the Libertarian candidate is royally fucking Republicans this election.
Siphoning conservative votes
In the same way that Jill Stein did to Democrats
elder portal
in favor of the EC or not, the reality is that if you win against both the people and the EC you're going to be on everyone's shit list
oak cloak
@elder portal I think you're overly optimistic
oak cloak
if Trump used these legal methods to steal the election, Trump supporters would fucking love it
they would shout and scream that the system is working as intended
the peoples' vote be damned, because their side won
shut vine
Politicians and people supporting those politicians don't give a shit about that stuff.
elder portal
that's a terrifying thought I hope I never wake up to
shut vine
Yeah, pretty much the same
elder portal
it's also incredibly unlikely, so I'll stay ignorant on this for now
at least until it becomes far more probable
foggy fern
Georgia wasn't being called an obvious Trump win before the election
I think it was even one of the states I marked blue on my prediction map
shut vine
Ah interesting
oak cloak
yeah GA came in less blue than anticipated, same as FL, NC, and TX
but GA actually stayed blue
foggy fern
In the final days leading up the election the polls shifted to a slight Trump lead but it was polling for Biden for a while too and bouncing back and forth in the end
That might actually be one of the states where the polls were the most accurate 😛
oak cloak
lol fair
I just want the major orgs to call the election already because the sooner they call it the weaker Trump's lies will be
foggy fern
btw not sure if the final word on Bannon got posted here but his ban from Twitter is permanent
oak cloak
Not calling PA when it's clearly a Biden win is irresponsible
elder portal
“Barring any major cases of voter fraud or something drastic, this is over, and it’s been over for a day. Most people are aware. Some folks are taking a bit longer to accept it,” said a senior Trump campaign official. “There are a lot of people just sitting and staring at their desks."
foggy fern
elder portal
drifting arch
cnn just had a spat with their guest speaker lmao
and then cut him off after he said he wont respond to that and said "dont, cuz we going to the break no more mooch"
elder portal
foggy fern
Turns out people just didn't bother to vote or didn't get them returned in time, it seems
elder portal
That's depressing
More people need to vote
Despite the broken system, it's our best option
foggy fern
It was around 8000 people
elder portal
That's 8,000 too many
But yeah
I get what you're saying- just that everyone that can vote really should
shut vine
Early prediction, Trump will run for the Senate
The injunction is just so that if a decision is made they can act on it
near glen
Would would you waste a senate seat on trump? Aren't they normally filled with competent ppl?
That seems like a bad call for the GOP
Like, sure, he would prolly have not bad chances of getting in, but what do you do with him there then?
shut vine
I didn't say I wanted him to
Just making an early prediction
Seems like you jumped to conclusions
near glen
No am just trying to decipher what that would mean
shut vine
Well
near glen
Also I don't see trump as the kinda of looser that is happy with anything but a second presidency
shut vine
My guess is the GOP will run him again in 2024, and the best chance of that being successful is if he stays relevant
shut vine
He also drew a fair portion of the vote, so people still can get behind him
I think the question about if he wins is based on where he runs, and if this loss was too damaging to him
near glen
In US politics is always hard to tell if ppl vote for or against a side or for or against a person
shut vine
Yeah that's true
near glen
Like, I am sure there are reps that voted for biden against the person trump and against their views
shut vine
I think that's more the case for Biden than it was for Trump, but anyway, it's just speculation from me, maybe they'll try to distance themselves.. just kind of doubt it.
Even Pence got a bit of the attack dog style in him in the VP debates.
Well more than he has had in the past, at least.
shut vine
Biden has won, unless there was foul play and they can prove it
near glen
Really? Wasn't following too closely the last two days, just that some states flipped by a margin, but you think it's over now?
shut vine
We probably wont get an official he's won until sometime December though.
Yeah pretty sure it is, and I was leaning towards a Trump win.
Biden should end up with about 300 votes of 270 needed.
near glen
Well, the number of EC votes doesn't indicate how close the election was
shut vine
4 million votes
near glen
In the public vote which doesn't matter cause murica
shut vine
Trump has 70, Biden has 74
shut vine
Yeah they are, GA is within 4K (Biden), AZ is within 30K (Biden), PA is within 30K (Biden).
Trump has a few temporary injunctions against votes arriving after election day.
oak cloak
@autumn lotus the ballots were always separated from the very beginning
The trump campaign got absolutely nothing out of that
Nothing has remotely changed, and if you stopped counting votes, biden already wins. So gg I guess
shut vine
Well just delays
sweet canyon
https://www.reddit.com/r/perfectlycutscreams/comments/jph0ls/every_vote_counts/
This is honestly amazing
near glen
elon musk and greta, lmao
weary obsidian
sweet canyon
Fresh off the printer.
plush crypt
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738890587721302097/774519759470854174/0u9d6ppwrpx51.jpg (cc egg)
I'm honestly surprised as an outsider looking in on how anti-democratic your democracy is
opaque prairie
yeah its pretty bad eh?
near glen
of course fraud exists, lol
its just that 90% of the claims trump makes don't have any foundation
but that ppl like this get caught is a showing that the system works
but it gets caught
thats the point
opaque prairie
damn maybe if we didnt use shitty machines this wouldnt be an issue
dominion voting systems provides what? 44% of this countries voting equipment? sure a lot of fucking issues for a company with reach that wide
idk why youre acting like dems dont want investiagtions
i want investigations in to every case
florida, georgia, texas arizona, do em all
i am? i havent seen much if any
if there is a legit claim then yeah go for it
the closest ive seen to legit was some absentee ballots sent to dead people in MI and WI, and claims that processes were not bipartisan when republican observers were screaming racial slurs and thrown out cause of it
sweet canyon
CNN just called it
plush crypt
Sorry I don't check everything everywhere
sweet canyon
torpid bear
Provisional ballots are only if people vote by mail and in person
Most of them don’t get counted at all because otherwise people’s votes would get counted twice
near glen
Because if you are reading anywhere dems are saying no evidence so don’t do anything
@autumn lotus I don't agree, the way I see stuff is that stuff does get investigated but most of the time its bullshit
opal moat
consistency cnn, consistency
torpid bear
Just change hasn’t to hadn’t and you’re good
tough cedar
yayyy
torpid bear
That’s his whole job
near glen
then if its bullshit it will be found ti be bullshit once its investigated
@autumn lotus which is exactly whats happening
could have lost friends to covid
cosmic badge
ez win
bye trump lel
3 months of salt, yeah
will be fun
but he'll be out after that
torpid bear
But now he’s a lame duck
plush crypt
none of Trump's lawsuits are sticking
turns out you need evidence, as someone (mini?) so bluntly put it yesterday
opaque prairie
they called this because even if the SC decides to throw out all ballots recieved after election day, it wont change anything
cosmic badge
Looks like it'll end up being a landslide by Trump's own definition, with Biden achieving a similar victory as Trump in 2016.
Looks like AZ, NV and GA are staying Biden
torpid bear
Az maybe not
plush crypt
I mean.. Trump can always carry out a coup
he sure is anti-democratic enough for it to be a possibility
cosmic badge
Nah he'll just get tossed out lol
His attempts to litigate also seems highly unlikely to lead to any change in result. Right wing media is also starting to accept the idea of defeat.
opaque prairie
i mena currently his lawsuits are going what, 0-7?
near glen
even his own party starts to stop backing him
tough cedar
time for 4 years of obstruction 
torpid bear
I think one of the lawsuits resulted in poll watchers getting to stand closer to the counters, but no ballots were changed.
cosmic badge
Probably, but not as bad as with Obama, I'd guess.
I'm guessing McConnell and Biden will be able to compromise on some things.
But there is still the small possibility of Dems taking control of the Senate still
opaque prairie
McConnell and Biden have worked together for a long time. id like to believe repubs wont be entirely obstructionist but we will see
opaque prairie
it should also be noted that trump has proven how much you dont need senate on board to do shit
near glen
well, the majority is on the other side tho, if you wanna speak about sides
cosmic badge
Yeah executive authority has far reaching impacts.
near glen
but hint hint, the world isn't divdied in two sides
cosmic badge
Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot
near glen
there are more than just 2 options
opal moat
but but binary!
torpid bear
Biden spent his entire career in the senate compromising with people on the other side, so there should be compromises that benefit both sides.
near glen
as a gov should work
which is why in other countries you have coalitions
that are entirely based on compromises
cosmic badge
Yeah I feel Biden is the kind of guy who would be willing to rally Democrats to make concessions to Republicans in order to reach compromise.
torpid bear
He knows that you can’t get anything done if you can’t work with the other party
cosmic badge
Republicans in many ways have already won big in the last 4 years.
near glen
not just in the last 4 years
cosmic badge
All of the federal judges that have been appointed + supreme court justices.
near glen
US is extremely right leaning compared to the rest of the developed world
cosmic badge
These are lifetime positions.
near glen
its time to readjust
cosmic badge
They've probably succeeded in tilting the courts towards a more conservative interpretation of the constitution.
opaque prairie
yeha repubs have dragged the overton window so far right the past 4 years
near glen
here even our right wing doesnt want to get rid of our public health systems ^^
cosmic badge
Yeah I get the feeling such a position would be highly unpopular and people would look at you like a crazy person for even suggesting it.
near glen
biden would be right wing here, sanders centrist
cosmic badge
In a lot of the EU, I mean
near glen
in norway sanders is prolly right 😂
cosmic badge
Sanders is basically a radical leftist here
plush crypt
Biden is farther out than our right-most party represented in parliament, whereas Sanders would probably be more like the conservatives (2nd rightmost)
cosmic badge
He calls himself a democratic socialist but he's more like a social democrat.
near glen
if calling for universal healthcare is left extremist, then idk
torpid bear
We’ve known the us system is messed up for a long time
lethal rose
Oh no, i can't laugh Trump didn't win.
near glen
this is about the general mindset of your society
its not the system that considers stuff like universial healthcare extremist, its the ppl
torpid bear
But that shapes the system. The system is just a symptom of the overall problem, which is what I was referring to.
near glen
like, only the rightest 5 % here would dare to say something like mexicans take our jobs, but even they wouldn't dare to build a wall
plush crypt
Fox News calls PA & NV for Biden at 290 electors
cosmic badge
It'll be interesting to see whether Trumpism weakens or strengthens over the next 4 years. Biden seems to be focused on closing the divide and "going back to civility."
near glen
which is why he won
plush crypt
NBC calls PA for Biden at 273 electors
cosmic badge
Looks like he's winning by a huge amount lol
If he wins NV, AZ, PA, GA
That's a landslide
lethal rose
I think we'll have to wait a few weeks for the US the say "yes biden won"
near glen
it looks like he can get close to 300 EC and he has the public vote but a large amount
so he won more than trump did by far
plush crypt
every notable news network has already called Biden
cosmic badge
Oh, so now the popular vote matters?
near glen
the margins in states don't matter for popular opinion
EC votes don#t matter after the election
cosmic badge
With current projections, Biden is winning as many electoral votes as Trump won in 2016.
opaque prairie
i meanit was literally the same way in 2016
torpid bear
Well hopefully the 2024 winner will be better than him
opaque prairie
i dont think the republican party recovers from populism very well. i think they know they have to stick to it
cosmic badge
Biden might actually outperform Trump's 2016 election, because faithless electors changed the count 😛
near glen
well, 2024 will depend on how the next 4 years go
cosmic badge
Oh right, I forget Kamala is VP nominee 😛
near glen
and I would be surprised if it goes worse than the last 4 years
torpid bear
Maybe it will be Boe Jiden
opaque prairie
bernie 2024 right
cosmic badge
She's going to be the first woman vice president 😮
plush crypt
who? the 1%?
near glen
nah proxi, the 1% of the 1%
plush crypt
ah of course, forgot them
cosmic badge
Nope, middle class workers didn't actually see any real benefit. Although self-employment workers saw some benefit
opaque prairie
im not even middle class. im a broke fuckin college kid
near glen
did he only cut the taxes on companies?
torpid bear
So basically himself and his friends
opaque prairie
he supposedly "cut" taxes on the poor but he refactored some other shit that generally led to no change or more taxes paid
near glen
is trump even part of the 1%?
sick walrus
yea
near glen
isn't that dude unable to keep his own company afloat?
sick walrus
he's a billionaire
cosmic badge
That's not been proven
sick walrus
even if it was, he still has a shit ton of money in assets
torpid bear
He’s a self-proclaimed billionaire. He never released his tax returns so we’ll never know if he’s telling the truth.
cosmic badge
Yeah, that's no doubt true
But in order to say his net worth is a billion or more, we'd have to know his debts.
dusky raft
Yeah, you cant say hes a failure in business when his businesses are still afloat. Plus going bankrupt at some point doesnt mean failure at all
dusky raft
I dont understand how people say hes a failed businessman just because a few ventures failed on him
sick walrus
who cares if he is one
cosmic badge
It's not, but you know he cares whether you believe it or not.
torpid bear
Which of his businesses are still afloat? Can you give concrete examples?
opaque prairie
ubers business model is literally to waste away money till it forces cabs and other similar services out of buisness
and then it becomes profitable, when the cut wages and no one else has any options
cosmic badge
Yeah Uber lost about 8 billion or so last year and continues to operate at a loss, but investors knew this when they poured money into Uber. Next year is projected to be their first profitable year.
dusky raft
Yeah, Uber just comes in and does what is pleases, This is why I think AB5 from california which targets them specifically didnt fix the issue other than make it more of a logistic headache
cosmic badge
The voters have spoken about AB5 though, it's effectively repealed.
torpid bear
Just because some people think trump has money doesn’t mean it’s true.
cosmic badge
So that's good.
dusky raft
When was that pulled?
plush crypt
Uber was legalised in Norway a week or two ago; the entire left side has already vowed to revert this when they get into power next election ^^
cosmic badge
It was on the ballot, I forgot which prop it was.
opaque prairie
it should be noted that the gap in PA is .51%, out of recount range
cosmic badge
Oh, prop 22
"California Proposition 22. App-Based Drivers as Contractors, Not Employees" pretty overwhelmingly "Yes" vote
plush crypt
na, we require all forms for transport in cars to be by registered taxi companies with licensed taxi drivers
cosmic badge
Uber drivers weren't a fan of the California law either, apparently.
opaque prairie
sounds more like a government trying to prevent worker abuse/underpaying
plush crypt
underpay yep
cosmic badge
Uber/Lyft spent a lot of money getting it onto the ballot.
near glen
uber drivers need to be registered here too
plush crypt
we don't have a minimum wage, but we sure as hell will add one per career if it's necessary
near glen
can't just go driving around ppl commercially here
cosmic badge
Which is fair, but this law specifically was about a worker's employment status. I do believe some regulations exist already.
plush crypt
Same here. They need to have proper licenses (which require education, even!) to ensure the safety of both parties, both physically and economically
cosmic badge
The state of California was trying to force Uber/Lyft to employ their drivers instead of simply treating them as independent contractors. It was a worker's rights issue but seen as too aggressive.
pure jetty
I mean they get what they sign up for
That case wanted to abolish independent contractors pretty much which is fucking braindead
cosmic badge
Most of the drivers I spoke to weren't a fan of the law.
They seemed fine with being just a contractor.
pure jetty
Yeah, if you don't like being independent contractor don't sign up for a job that makes you one
near glen
I mean, that assumes you have a choice
but I agree, that prop didnt make sense
you can't just say, we here at mcdonals dont care about min wage, if you don't like it go work somewhere else
cosmic badge
Well you are certainly welcome to make your own rideshare business which employs drivers. Hard to compete though if 1. drivers don't want to be your employee and 2. it costs more to ride with your service because you have to pass off the cost of employment benefits
near glen
I am actually not sure how it works here
uber isnt relevant here anyways
they dont have anything normal taxis dont have
plush crypt
I only know cause it became super relevant cause of the legalisation a week or so ago :p
near glen
ah ok, here uber pays companies which have normal employees as drivers
oh but there are some "companies" with just one employee
but they still get paid for sick leave and stuff by uber, as uber is paying their insurance
plush crypt
we have a unique "type" of company for those called "lonewolf company"
near glen
yeah, its basically the same here
cosmic badge
Probably explains why Uber/Lyft are so prevalent in the US vs elsewhere.
plush crypt
they get a little lower tax and whatnot cause there's only 1 person allowed in the company
near glen
why would I hail and uber vs a normal taxi?
cosmic badge
Drivers are just contractors, there are no benefits and they set their own hours.
And they works as much as they want
pure jetty
I mean, that assumes you have a choice
You have a choice to not work as an independent contractor
Nobody is forcing you to
cosmic badge
I've talked to some drivers who did it 18 hours a day and was fine with that.
plush crypt
18 fucking hours?
near glen
see, thats the kind of shit that doesnt fly here
pure jetty
plush crypt
you'd be hauled in front of a court if you did that here lmao
near glen
its the gov task to take care of their citizen, even against their will
cosmic badge
I mean they were happy with the cash they were pulling in 😛
foggy fern
phew, they finally called it
plush crypt
here work days are 8 hrs max on paper, but you can do your whole 37.5hrs a week in 2 days if you so please, but an employer may not require you to past like 12hrs a day where the 4 extra hours are OT
weary obsidian
@near glen what's govt gonna do if a person works more anyways, fine them lol?
cosmic badge
Sure, you can't be forced to work more but I assume you can work as much as you want, maybe not for an employer but let's say for your own business (which is what being an indepedent contractor effectively is)
pure jetty
In the United State we have mandatory overtime for full-time employers I'm pretty sure that could be a state thing though
But independent contractors can work as much as they'd like The only restriction I believe we have is on truckers in which case it doesn't matter which type of employer employee relationship you have you still can only work a maximum of some concurrent hours
near glen
@near glen what's govt gonna do if a person works more anyways, fine them lol?
@weary obsidian if you are your own boss they obviously cant
foggy fern
Joe Biden’s victory provides a lesson in resilience. He had run for the presidency unsuccessfully in 1988 and 2008 before finally achieving his goal in 2020.
Trump did that too
1988 and 2000, iirc
near glen
pretty sure you will get quickly into trouble for that aikar
foggy fern
There is always something to talk about
Look at what they were doing during the Bush and Obama years
tough cedar
you can get in trouble for wokring 2 jobs in germany?
pure jetty
Yeah they just gonna complain about how joe isn't left enough
near glen
since a) you need to tell employer 1 that you also work for employer 2 and b) gov knows about both your employments
you can get in trouble for wokring 2 jobs in germany?
@tough cedar no, as long as you don't work too much
foggy fern
Bush wasn't a daily joke and Obama rarely was but they could make fun of other things happening in government or celebrities or etc
near glen
lemme check detials
pure jetty
Lmao
cosmic badge
I'm sure there will be plenty of Trump tweets to report.
pure jetty
I'm curious to see what will happen with Fox News too
tough cedar
i see
near glen
yeah, basically, company A has to deny your request for working for company B, if they think that would make you work more than the allowed 48/60 hours a week
foggy fern
The Daily Show was one of the only ones doing nightly Bush bashing and they still had things to talk about after Obama got in office
lethal rose
?
pure jetty
Huh
lethal rose
I mean, news thrives cause there is news. Shocker
tough cedar
so would the company get in trouble or would you mini?
foggy fern
iirc their Obama years were the most popular
restive seal
make fun of with the left
Please name a successful right wing comedy show?
near glen
oh and after working, you have to make a 11 hour break
opaque prairie
Please name a successful right wing comedy show?
that isnt making fun of women or gender
weary obsidian
I'm losing so many brain cells from basket
near glen
mbax, the right isnt funny
weary obsidian
Basket you should just accept reality for your mental health
foggy fern
I'm expecting someone to give Joe Rogan as an answer