politics

[elder portal]

waking up to "Trump takes it!" tomorrow

I would be sad, for sure

[drifting arch]

[elder portal]

but regardless of outcome I'll continue to do what's required

[drifting arch]

ofc

[elder portal]

worst-case scenario it's four more years of this

it'd be a long four years, but four years

[drifting arch]

im trying not to make that concession just yet

[elder portal]

always gotta hope that whatever happens it'll be alright

and hope the right choice is made either way

[sand shale]

you're free to move into a box under my bed here in Canada

:p

[drifting arch]

on my way

[elder portal]

can't, kash 😛

and won't anyway

[sand shale]

can't?

[elder portal]

logistics

[sand shale]

logistics are simple

you

into box

under bed

[elder portal]

but smol 😦

[near glen]

https://twitter.com/Soapmoine/status/1324286193106898944?s=09

Capitaine OSEF (@Soapmoine)

@RightWingWatch well sorry @Eminem for that. But that's the first instrumental track i thought about. https://t.co/5uce3N3GSP

Retweets

1426

Likes

4098

▶ Play video

Twitter · Nov 5, 2020, 9:43 AM

[shut vine]

So technically.. in a close election, if the incumbent president loses and his party has the most states, it's really important legally that the concession speech happens due to a flaw in the constitution.

Let's hope if he loses he doesn't exploit that.. :\

[foggy fern]

https://twitter.com/jph_anderson/status/1324290642080616449

Joseph Anderson (@jph_anderson)

It's Day 35 of the US Election. Wisconsin is on its 13th recount. There's a different winner every time.

Nevada repeats its morning announcement. "Today we'll be done counting. This time for sure."

All contact with Pennsylvania was lost on Day 25. We don't talk about it.

Retweets

907

Likes

6669

Twitter · Nov 5, 2020, 10:01 AM

[lethal rose]

I think america is having the case of stupid.

[foggy fern]

I don't if they've called it yet but Perdue no longer has a majority in Georgia

Double runoff here we come

[fast flame]

neither does trump. he's also now under the 50% mark which is big for biden

60k mail in ballots remain to be counted in georgia, well above the margin to give the race to biden

yeah Trump is only ahead by 19k, so if Biden gets a larger than majority portion of the 60k, he should theoretically win georgia

[opaque prairie]

i think hed need like 2/3s to win.. but thats like plausible so

[near glen]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1324353932022480896?s=19

Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

STOP THE COUNT!

Retweets

52997

Likes

258137

Twitter · Nov 5, 2020, 2:12 PM

Dafuq are those replies?

(potentially nsfw)

Apperently that's armenian

[fast flame]

oh wow

never imagined that we might have a president actively trying to stop the electoral process

this is the world we live in

[near glen]

I don't care about the tweet

Am trying to understand the replies

Is somebody testing his botnet?

Some of the images are nsfw, some are just gore, then there are minecraft screenshots, all the same text

Like wtf

[opaque prairie]

i dont usually either but wow

[fast flame]

it's gotta be bots

[opaque prairie]

it really does look like someone is just botnetting it or some shit

[near glen]

The accounts look legitimate, they have legitimate interactions

It's so weird

Wheres our twitter analysist?
@elder portal have you seen such strange spam comments by legitimate accounts before?

[lethal rose]

That looks quite accursed

(the replies (some)

[near glen]

They all seem to come from brasil or smth

[lethal rose]

They seem to be chanting bloody mary and offering his flesh.

[near glen]

I can use google translate ^^

[lethal rose]

I know, but if someone else were looking and weren't as smart. Possibly any trump supporter in here, i just helped them out.

[foggy fern]

Apparently NC officials don't expect to get enough late absentee ballots back for there to be any chance to flip the President or Senate races

Oh hey Democrats flipped a House seat in NC so Republicans are only +6 now

[brisk cradle]

To be fair I was expecting NC to go to Trump anyway. But it was close.

Thursday at noon EST

So... 45 minutes from now we will get some new results

Nevada is kinda sus

[deft bronze]

lol

[near glen]

Nevada is just a desert plus vegas, right?

Oh and that trench

[deft bronze]

yeah

vegas is blue

all of the cities are blue actually

the big ones at least

and biden is starting to catch up in pensylvania

100k votes almost exclusively for him in the last day

[near glen]

Iirc somebody said biden wins if he gets 40% of the remaining votes

That's still kinda close

Ppl say it was called too soon

[fast flame]

some are worried about it because AZ already has a history of mail-in ballots so unlike a lot of places, mail-in ballots could also be from republican voters

[near glen]

So Reps are pro Corona?

[fast flame]

lol

[near glen]

That's confusing

They always chant pro life

[fast flame]

0_0

they just dont think it actually has any effect so they have superspreader event protests about lockdown

[near glen]

Oh I see

Thanks for the clarification

As an european this is very confusing

[oak cloak]

Nevada numbers starting to update finally, biden lead grows

[faint radish]

Yeah, if trump wins all except GA

But pretty unlikely

Not sure that would happen....

[oak cloak]

It wouldn't

And no, the last thing this country needs right now is more chaos

Of course you'd be fine with more chaos, you clearly aren't affected by the consequences of this election which you've made abundantly clear

[faint radish]

I’m not looking for more chaos. Im looking to make sure the Ds don’t have pres, house, and senate all at once

Nah, senate will probably have to wait until January to find out

If the GA senate race leader gets below 50, it’ll have to wait until a runoff in January

So it’s possible that both GA senate seats will have special elections in Jan.

[cosmic badge]

And it still matters because in 2022 there will be a handful of R seats up for grabs.

They need to be positioned for that in the WH and House

[faint radish]

Gets to 50* or below. All you need for a majority is 50% +1 vote.

50.00001% of the vote will have him win

[fast flame]

is GA even possible to change? 98% reporting with 12k difference
yes there are still 50k votes to count and trump is only up by 14k

[cosmic badge]

I love how in some states Republican voters are chanting "Stop the count!" and in others it's "Keep counting!"

Depending on who has the lead, of course lol

[near glen]

I mean, if you gonna start rigging the election, you gotta do it in all states that are battlegrounds ^^

[foggy fern]

Welp turns out Nevada is a shitshow

They accidentally sent almost 600 ballots to people who shouldn't be able to vote but they've already taken them out of the envelopes so they don't know which ones they are

[cosmic badge]

F

[near glen]

And I thought the whole election was a shit show

[faint radish]

Yeah, Trump campaign files a lawsuit saying deceased and people unable to vote voted in NV.

[foggy fern]

It's not enough to change the election but it sounds like it's going to put a freeze on things while they wait for the courts to settle things

[near glen]

I mean, at least they caught that and can look into it

And have a number

[fast flame]

lmao PA is gonna be done counting before NV

[faint radish]

Can’t votes still come in in PA until like Nov 12?

[fast flame]

yeah but itll be pretty obvious who won hopefully today

[faint radish]

Allegheny county said they aren’t reporting any more results until tmrw. That’s Pittsburgh

[fast flame]

perdue has fallen under 50%

[oak cloak]

PA at this point is looking likely that biden will win, the ratio has been consistently very strong towards him

Assuming that doesn't change, which it certainly could, he'll win pretty handily

[foggy fern]

I don't understand why this is a thing https://twitter.com/KellyO/status/1324372366974160897

Kelly O'Donnell (@KellyO)

Trump campaign manager says “Donald Trump is alive and well

Retweets

602

Likes

4754

Twitter · Nov 5, 2020, 3:25 PM

Maybe he meant to say his chances or his campaign are alive and well?

[faint radish]

why what is a thing

[fast flame]

yeah i think he means his campaign

they just arent good at communication in general

[opaque prairie]

lmao, trump just up and fucking dies as his campaign loses

i would honestly be speechless

[faint radish]

I guess we are past the point where we still don't laugh at political opponents deaths

[sweet canyon]

We still waiting on NV?

[faint radish]

and the 4 other states

[opaque prairie]

yeah i know its wrong but at a certain point i am sick of acting like this man deserves any modicum of respect

yeah gaps are closing in all the states at this point

[faint radish]

not alaska... 😛

still only 56% vote in there, idek how they count votes in northern alaska

people don't really have addresses there even

[near glen]

Husky sleds

[fast flame]

they get their local moose to take the ballot box to anchorage

[faint radish]

the alaksa state police assigns a single trooper to cover hundreds of square miles with his plane...

its a different way of living for sure

[foggy fern]

https://twitter.com/xXimid/status/1324211450999644161

XImid (@xXimid)

Counting votes in Nevada won't last that long"

Nevada:

Retweets

301

Likes

1536

Twitter · Nov 5, 2020, 4:46 AM

[elder portal]

@near glen you talking about the "make republicans cry" Twitter accounts that spam the same message over and over?

[near glen]

https://i.imgur.com/8ilaT09.png

this kinda shit

[sweet canyon]

Oh hey vote counts are going up

[near glen]

the comments where filled with it

[sweet canyon]

Man it's so close.

Are we expecting NV to go to Biden?

[near glen]

https://i.imgur.com/tZsUsHP.png

[sweet canyon]

Georgia is like 12K wtf

[elder portal]

the fact that it comes back that well-written makes me think it was translated to begin with

[near glen]

now its all the same image, before there were tons of tweets with the same message (or similar) but different pictures

https://i.imgur.com/6lXVz4j.png

like this https://i.imgur.com/6hQUUxb.png

but sometimes not even closely election related

[elder portal]

very odd

it's not showing up in my feed, though

tons of memes

but legit memes

[near glen]

I just happened to be looking at the comments right after it was posted

[elder portal]

guessing it's all one person or small group using/abusing the Twitter API

seems those don't get much traction

[near glen]

https://twitter.com/search?q=արյունոտ մարի&src=typed_query

արյունոտ մարի - Twitter Search

The latest Tweets on արյունոտ մարի. Read what people are saying and join the conversation.

Twitter

[elder portal]

that's pretty normal for any service opening themselves up for bots

[fast flame]

That picture looks so real it’s scary

[lethal rose]

Prolly is.

[near glen]

dick size was looking legit for sure 😄

[fast flame]

Baby carrot

[elder portal]

ahhhh, all those photos are YT thumbnails

I recognized one as Charlie

holding his giant schlongs

funny youtuber

[near glen]

this one is actual art

[sweet canyon]

Bruh

[opaque prairie]

what on earth did i open this too

[elder portal]

https://i.imgur.com/mdWYWd5.png

it's a combination of YT thumbnails and some subreddits

so, some automatic scraping and some manually-added images

[near glen]

so maybe just a funny group of ppl

[elder portal]

basically, yes

[near glen]

the best img I saw was a nice dick, that was literally one fire

[elder portal]

you haven't seen Charlie and his 3-foot wieners?

[lethal rose]

I've seen some cursed shit today on there.

Be careful.

[elder portal]

penguinz0 on YouTube

his last couple videos are beautiful

[near glen]

lemme enable vpn

lol

[elder portal]

hah

he buys.. Many things. Many toys.

[near glen]

https://i.imgur.com/qVdF6ZC.png

no thanks

I wanna keep my recommendations clean

lmao

I have seen this guys face before

[elder portal]

he's dildo jesus

but yeah, much YT thumbnail + several subreddits

[oak cloak]

Trump’s lead in Georgia shrank to 13,540 votes on Thursday afternoon. The secretary of state said that about 50,000 votes now remain uncounted
Going to be ridiculously close

[sweet canyon]

Crazy

[plush crypt]

oop in the midst of this, ethiopia's going to war

[sweet canyon]

NV is 12k

[near glen]

inb4 finishing within margin of 100 votes

[elder portal]

Presidential: https://i.imgur.com/4MbMcVE.png

not presidential: https://i.imgur.com/8vgu4xK.png

I mean

this keeps happening

[plush crypt]

just stop the fraud it's not so hard smh .

[shy gulch]

lmao

[elder portal]

I posted another pair last night

I'm just picking most recent stuff

if you look at tweets over the last two days there's instances of this all over

[opaque prairie]

another lawsuit just got dissmissed, in georgia

[elder portal]

Biden says things about unity and not hating eachother, Trump says something about hate

this is not hard to see

I hope this all turns out okay

[opaque prairie]

i have never wanted something to turn out okay so bad

[lethal rose]

I'm gonna laugh really hard at y'all if you fuck this up. Like...

[elder portal]

https://i.imgur.com/IXED1Kr.png

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lethal rose]

Is he stupid+

Wait, he is nvm.

[elder portal]

the president all-caps tweeting for an hour terrifies me

because the man all-capsing for the last hour has the nuclear launch codes

[near glen]

I mean

thats one way to stop the counting

lol

[plush crypt]

STOP COMPLAINING ITS JUST A BUTTON AWAY TO START SCREAMING SMH

[elder portal]

I'm being yelled at by the man with the power to end me

[lethal rose]

He probably won't if he doesn't loose.

[elder portal]

if I were sitting here all-capsing for an hour I'd be muted or banned

and told I need to step away from the keyboard

rightly so

because I would

[plush crypt]

LET'S TRY IT

[elder portal]

so; clearly someone needs to step away for a while

[sweet canyon]

Pls top yelling. It's hurting my feelings.

[elder portal]

estimations have something to do with it

but who really knows how counting works

logistically, counting millions of ballots across various issues seems.. Difficult, to put it mildly

[elder portal]

I can imagine there's some complications along the line

really, when was the last time you counted to 331 million? Several times?

[oak cloak]

I mean

there's thousands of people doing the counting

and machines are part of the process

[elder portal]

which makes it all the more difficult, in some cases

[oak cloak]

I assume verifying the votes is what takes most of the time

[elder portal]

multiple people counting to very large numbers

gotta communicate very well

basically I'm saying I can imagine there's a lot that goes in behind the scenes that makes counting all of these very difficult

[cosmic badge]

F ur vote then

[opaque prairie]

another trump lawsuit in michigan dismissed. only orally, will be dissmissed in writing tomorrow

[elder portal]

yeah, it was a bit of a challenge trying to ensure my signature matched when I put it down in the DMV years ago

makes mail-ins very difficult

which is intentional

[oak cloak]

yeah california set themselves up to count very quickly and it paid off

[elder portal]

not that they were a swing state, but yeah

[oak cloak]

basically they were able to do a lot of the admin of handling mail-in ballots before the election, so everything was ready to go and they were able to count millions of votes in just a few hours

[elder portal]

the added pressure of deciding who wind for NV can't make things any easier

[oak cloak]

irrelevant, they show a model for how it can be done successfully in other states

[elder portal]

imagine being asked to count millions of ballots as angry, armed Trump supporters wait outside and the world is waiting on you

I'd die

I would absolutely keel over

I feel so, so bad for those counters

they're going to need help after this election

someone set them up with free counseling for at least a few months

[opaque prairie]

i dont think it will go red

[elder portal]

I want 100% of the results in every state

that'll take a while

[opaque prairie]

yeah

do we think biden breaks 75million votes?

[elder portal]

AZ is almost certainly not going to flip red

but crazier things have happened

like losing the popular vote but winning the EC.. Five times.

[opaque prairie]

yeah lol

kinda funny when you realize in the past 32 years republicans have only won the popular vote once

[elder portal]

remember: the longer this goes on the bluer everything gets

large cities and mail-ins take more time

and are more likely to be democratic

your ideal scenario is Trump winning

[opaque prairie]

my ideal is biden landslides this

[elder portal]

a tie is even less likely

[opaque prairie]

a tie would require nv and arizona dropping red, and biden taking georgia

[elder portal]

I don't remember a tie ever happening in history, although it's talked about every election

[opaque prairie]

all of which are unlikely

[elder portal]

unfortunately

"get us in another war"

wat

[opaque prairie]

i think as proven by trump, executive has significantly more room to do shit than we used to see

[elder portal]

that's not how any of that works

[fast flame]

Lolol

Yeah it would DEFINITELY be Biden who would get us a in a war

It definitely isn’t the senate who declares war

[elder portal]

one of the most moderate men to have ever run for president preaching peace in the country.. Definitely very likely to start a war

[opaque prairie]

grammar nazi lmao

wanna see a real nazi

[fast flame]

That’s not grammar homie that’s not understanding the governmental system of our nation

[elder portal]

grammar nazis don't correct misinformation

though they should

[lethal rose]

Lol

So what?

What would the US do without a war with that military.

[elder portal]

1. I'mma need proof of that claim

[opaque prairie]

uhhhh oppress civilians

[elder portal]

2. Trump absolutely has started conflict

positive claim and all that

burden of proof applies

[oak cloak]

...can you name a single peace deal

[elder portal]

I'm still looking for proof that every other president, except for Trump, has started a war or conflict

[oak cloak]

and yes trump has overseen many military operations as president

[opaque prairie]

unless you count abandoning allies and leaving the nuclear deal in the middle east, i haven't exactly seen a lot of peace

[plush crypt]

Remember that you have to remain civil

[oak cloak]

no you see, I do pay actually pay attention to what's actually going on and I'm distinctly aware that trump has done a damn thing to promote peace

[elder portal]

positive claim has the burden of proof @autumn lotus

you made a positive claim

[lethal rose]

One thing i do not really see in correlation with Trump supporters is civility, recently i've seen them show up at poll stations with weapons and shouting contradictory statements.

[elder portal]

^

recently?

only recently?

[fast flame]

“Law and order president”

[lethal rose]

I mean, i just recently read they did that.

[elder portal]

that's been their thing

[oak cloak]

Jon Ralston, an expert in Nevada politics, has stated he does not see any path to victory for Trump in NV

[elder portal]

I'm referencing the 2016 elections, in my claim

I'm waiting for proof that every other president started conflict or war, and Trump never did

not that Trump did peaceful things

that was your claim

so; proof, plox

[plush crypt]

none of those countries were at war with eachother lol

[lethal rose]

BUT, Proxi he did not make them start a war with each other and prevented future wars. Therefor gud president, let's forget about everything else.

[elder portal]

what's the source on that?

also 38

[oak cloak]

Those deals actively attacks Palestine

[elder portal]

so at the very least Trump is not the only president to not go to war

[lethal rose]

Gerald rudolph seems like a chill guy

[oak cloak]

Great peace you got there

[opaque prairie]

PA secretary of state claims we could know results by the end of the day

[oak cloak]

But I guess it's very Republican to hate Palistine

for..some reason

[elder portal]

because brown people

😄

[oak cloak]

Well they love Israel

[elder portal]

yeah, that's weird to me

I'm not seeing that chart you screenshotted

[oak cloak]

because jesus, mainly

[elder portal]

oh, right, Jesus

I forgot about religion

[opaque prairie]

ah yeah religion, the most common cause of conflict it seems

[plush crypt]

https://girlsare.life/AV3iMyC.png demon's the uninformed voter btw

[elder portal]

yeah, president is commander in chief

[opaque prairie]

i just dont get why you think hed start one? like

[faint radish]

Well, not for extended periods of time he can’t. That’s the ridiculous authorization for use of force in the Middle East both sides keep passing

[oak cloak]

@plush crypt I don't recall ever stating trump declared war

[elder portal]

though that does refute your earlier claim that Biden can't start a war without a democratic congress @autumn lotus

[oak cloak]

The US has ever declared war like 4 or 5 times in history

[elder portal]

but getting sidetracked

[oak cloak]

but they actively engage in armed conflict constantly

[plush crypt]

I mean he called you uninformed a second ago, Demon

[oak cloak]

oh, gotcha

[plush crypt]

And I'm faiiirly sure the Vietnam war wasn't actually a war with the US, just a proxy-war?

[elder portal]

technicalities everywhere

[oak cloak]

yup, it was never a "war"

[plush crypt]

They weren't peace deals

[elder portal]

yeah

[oak cloak]

even though it lasted like what 12 years?

[elder portal]

no, not peace deals

[oak cloak]

they were talks that accomplished nothing and further added to the Israel-Palestine tension

[elder portal]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_peace_plan

that's what's being referenced

[oak cloak]

which is one of the hottest areas in the middle-east right now

[elder portal]

The Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas reacted immediately with a riposte that it was the "slap of the century"

I mean

sounds peaceful

sounds like they definitely wanted those "peace deals"

[oak cloak]

Since this somehow has to be stated: I don't support the military operations Obama did either, and nor would I support military operations that Biden does as president

The claim that Trump has been some savior of peace though is absolutely absurd and unfounded

[elder portal]

I wouldn't say I wouldn't ever support military action, but it would be unlikely

there's a time and place, and it's almost no time or place

[opaque prairie]

"put down isis"

[oak cloak]

You know ISIS still exists right

[elder portal]

ISIS is still going

yeah

where did he "put them down"?

[opaque prairie]

he probably put isis down the same way he condemned white supremacists

[lethal rose]

Some isis leader was killed it seems

[elder portal]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant

some brief history on them and Trump

[oak cloak]

If that was the attack on Iran that was a very, very bad move and was extremely highly likely to start another war, and may well lead to that still

[elder portal]

they're still very much alive

as referenced by the Wiki article

[oak cloak]

I guess if you just believe Trump beat ISIS then it's all better

[elder portal]

On 31 October, ISIL media announced Abu Ibrahim al-Hashimi al-Qurashi to be Baghdadi's successor.

they have a new leader

it's a form of governance

hard to kill those

[faint radish]

When talking about terror orgs then are never 100% gone. ISIS doesn’t have any land holdings anymore. That was their main source of income.

[elder portal]

they have no land right now*

give it time

[oak cloak]

Yeah, that was the main issue with the attack. It accomplishes little because they will just name a new leader

[elder portal]

it was definitely a blow

it also wasn't entirely the US, and it definitely wasn't entirely Trump

[faint radish]

Ok... they have no land right now... better that then having land now.

[elder portal]

it's been going on since 2009

[oak cloak]

It wasn't even mostly the US

[elder portal]

yeah

[oak cloak]

It was nearly entirely handled by the countries themeslves

[faint radish]

Snopes says Obama/Trump did roughly half each of US portion of rolling back isis

[elder portal]

I can believe that, yeah

[oak cloak]

the only thing the US has ever done for the middle east is sell weapons and destabilize

[foggy fern]

And Bush created it, sounds about right

[faint radish]

https://images.theconversation.com/files/363532/original/file-20201014-23-1v1einh.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&q=45&auto=format&w=1000&fit=clip

[elder portal]

operations were well underway when Trump took office

basically, Trump claims to have ended ISIS entirely

that's not the case at all

it's wrong on many levels

1. He didn't do much
2. The US didn't do a lot
3. We didn't end anything
4. They'll be back

it's reduced heavily, yay for that

that's what we've got

that's where we're at

[faint radish]

Well it looks like he did half. It ended their main/only really, source of income

They’ll be back

That doesn’t really matter? They don’t have land now. Is it better if they had land? No. They’ll always be back, in another form, under a different name, that’s how the Middle East works.

Which is why the US shouldn’t be there in the first place

[elder portal]

perhaps he did half of the US portion, but still not a lot compared to what's already been going on

think about it like this:
You're making a sandwich. You bought the ingredients, you put everything in place, opened the containers, and started putting the sandwich together.
Some rando comes along and says, "here, let me help you with that!"
You say, "uhh.. Okay, I guess? Weirdo."
they put the two halves of the sandwich together, spill your ingredients on the floor, and then proclaim to everyone else around you that they made your sandwich for you

that's what the US did

they didn't even bother to put mayo or mustard on your sandwich. It's just dry 😦

you can't say it wasn't somewhat helpful, because it sort-of was, in a weird way, but that's not really what you wanted

plus now you've got a mess to clean and your "helper" just poofed

[faint radish]

I don’t think that’s accurate? Where you getting this info that the US didn’t play a large role in getting rid of isis?

[elder portal]

ISIS is a form of government. It's been around since 1999

we didn't even start looking at it until 2009

and didn't start acting until years later

[faint radish]

That in no way addresses my question

[foggy fern]

They didn't matter until we wrecked Iraq and then Syria

[elder portal]

basically they've been fighting- and being fought- since their inception

we "helped", sort-of, kind-of

[faint radish]

Did other people act before us? Who? When?
When did they become powerful enough for those other actors to care? I don’t now these things and google isn’t being helpful rn. I cant seem to find articles talking about who contributed to downfall of isis.

[elder portal]

but we certainly didn't do a majority of anything

In November 2006, shortly after the group's rebranding as the "Islamic State of Iraq", it established the Al-Furqan Foundation for Media Production, which produces CDs, DVDs, posters, pamphlets, and web-related propaganda products and official statements.[259] It began to expand its media presence in 2013, with the formation of a second media wing, Al-I'tisam Media Foundation, in March[260][261] and the Ajnad Foundation for Media Production, established in January 2014, which specialises in acoustics production from a nasheed, quranic recitation.

so they really started getting attention around '06

I've seen it

[faint radish]

Lol whoops

Meant to copy another link

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/timeline-the-rise-spread-and-fall-the-islamic-state

[oak cloak]

The registrar in Clark County (Las Vegas) said the county would release the next batch of votes around noon ET on Friday. Remaining votes include mail and provisional ballots.
What the fuck are they doing, why is this taking them so long

[elder portal]

it's taking longer this year due to an increase in voter count as well as abolishments of things like counting machines

[faint radish]

This timeline makes it sound like ISIS was growing until this US-lead coalition started airstrikes in 2004

[elder portal]

that was intentional, to handicap democrats

who usually vote by mail

[faint radish]

Right, cause as we know, the federal government is in charge of state voting.

[elder portal]

the federal gov't elects those in charge of the USPS

who then order counting machines to be tossed

specifically talking about Trump hiring Lousi DeJoy

who then ordered those machines tossed

until he was told to stop by the other branches of the fed gov't

he cited making attempts to thin out the USPS and cut the fat, but he's also strongly republican and very strongly in favor of Trump

the man in charge of a largely democratic voting system

we knew this

[faint radish]

Pretty sure those were sorting machines... USPS doesn’t have anything to do with counting.

[elder portal]

sorting, my apologies

back to ISIS for a second, I was disputing the claim that Trump had claimed he single-handedly eradicated ISIS which was wrong on many levels

it's at least wrong in that he did it by himself

[faint radish]

You said the “US” in place of trump several times then.

[elder portal]

in some cases, yes, because I was lumping several presidents together

we also didn't do a lot as a nation, but really the whole thing falls apart at even the fact that it's been going on pre-Trump

[faint radish]

I don’t think that’s accurate? Where is that source that we didn’t do a lot as a nation? I can’t find that info.

[elder portal]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_military_intervention_against_ISIL

for one, there were other countries involved

it depends on your definition of "a lot" and also what timeline you choose to use

we weren't the only airstrikes, for example

not by a long shot

fucking hell, I didn't know Candians were involved in this

TIL

man, you know you fucked up when you've pissed off the Canucks

[faint radish]

It’s not simple active military engagements. Who provided supplies to neighboring countries, who proved operational support, enforced no-fly zones, etc.

[elder portal]

basically, if you're looking at 2014-present then yeah, the US did a fair amount. I'd argue still not close to all of it

but again, also depends on your definition of "a lot" - quantifying is hard

but ISIL/ISIS was founded in 1999

so it depends on the timeline, too

and started becoming active in '06*

[faint radish]

The US didn’t do a lot -> the US did a fair amount

Are those equal?

[elder portal]

really depends on the definition

[faint radish]

What was happening before 2014 militarily?

[elder portal]

I try to avoid using words that put me in a corner, like "everything", "nothing", or "100%"

I wish others did the same

[faint radish]

In that wiki article, I can’t find mentions of military operations pre-2014

[elder portal]

makes arguments harder to defend

because all you have to do is attack the amount, which is usually subjective

then it invalidates the entire argument, no matter how robust the rest is

[faint radish]

Cause your sandwich analogy makes it sound like it was already going great in the fight against ISIS before the US got there, is that what you meant?

[elder portal]

to be fair, I skipped over the fact that many other countries have been helping for a long time

in the analogy

I was focused on US vs ISIS

if you add every detail into an analogy it becomes tedious

and no longer analogous

[faint radish]

Right, and I don’t see other countries fighting isis pre-2014 which is when US entered the fight

I’m scrolling through all the interventions in that wiki page you linked

[elder portal]

mhm, other superpowers started helping around 2014

[faint radish]

So who was making the sandwich before the US came along?

[elder portal]

the countries affected, and I thought a few others were helping

but maybe not

you can make your own damned sandwich 😛

apparently I'm wrong in that other countries have helped before the US

my argument still stands, though- Trump wasn't elected in 2014 either

this was all pre-Trump

though that particular point seems less valid

at least from my own initial research, knowing almost nothing about the conflict

experts on the subject would have a better understanding of who and how and when

I am no expert

I just know that Trump definitely cannot claim the entire victory for himself like he seems to have done, and which for some reason his supporters continue to parrot

(this originally started from BASKET parroting that same narrative)

they started their media campaign in '06, and their large reach started in '14

according to Wiki

they were founded in '99

the US took notice in '09 and military operations started in '14

with other countries following suit sometimes years later

just putting down some facts

they started really growing in '06, but they exploded around '14 apparently

yeah, took from '14 to now to get them down to a small size again

also they still have a leader

because again, for of government. Can't kill an idea

yep

very unlikely

I'm assuming that was a joke

I can't tell with you

also assuming that was a joke

because that's not exactly how any of that works

[opaque prairie]

idk basket, your reasoning sound like we should just carpet nuke the middle east right? i mean whats the difference

[elder portal]

any sentence starting with "why don't we just.. ?" - especially when dealing with military of politics, you need to be VERY weary of

because life isn't simple

also, assuming they're all in caves

you watch too many action movies

a few people lives in caves around the world

who'd thunkit

what I see is an explosive going off in an area with an unknown number of people around it, of unknown origin or sentiment

woo boy.

too much hollywood

[fast flame]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-black-kid-gif-4937950

[elder portal]

I'm revoking your movie permit. You're only allowed to watch Clockwork Orange from now on

and The Godfather

because ISIS only lives in caves, and the only people living in caves are ISIS

I'm out

I tap out

[opaque prairie]

egg i cant believe you even tried

you are much braver than me

[shut vine]

MOAB isn't super efficient for caves, better for towns or cities

Yeah it will, but cave systems can be vast, think they have better options if I recall

MOAB is the largest non-nuclear bomb to date, they're very expensive

[foggy fern]

Nah, the Russian have a bigger one

Same kind of bomb but like twice the yield

[shut vine]

Ahh

Of course they do now

So they probably can say they have a bigger one 😛

[foggy fern]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_of_All_Bombs

[shut vine]

Look at the operational history though

Sounds like they can't afford to use it much

[foggy fern]

Well sure, in Syria we were launching as many missiles and dropping as many bombs as Russian has in their whole arsenal on something like a weekly basis

[shut vine]

Indicator MОАВ[13] FОАВ[14]
Mass: 10.3 tonnes 7.1 tonnes
TNT equivalent: 11 tons (22,000 lb) ≈44 tons (≈88,000 lb)

So they're claiming 4 times the yield from less explosive mass.

[foggy fern]

Yeah but 50% of the people there won't all vote for the same person

And who cares how much or little land they take up anyway?

[shut vine]

Also it looks like the constitution has a flaw that allows an incumbent president to maneuver things in a way that triggers the house to have to vote in the next president based on congressional delegation.

[foggy fern]

You'd need to find a map that shows the smallest map that gets you enough Democrats or enough Republicans to not care about the rest of the country

I bet it'd cover at least 1/3 of the country

[shut vine]

Well I think there are multiple ways this can be done, but basically if two groups of electors show up for a state, and there is not a single candidate left after concession speeches, it almost immediately triggers the vote to be based on congressional district.

It would be probably the worst thing any president could do.

[opaque prairie]

i mean that idea hasnt reached critical mass yet

still need a couple more states

[shut vine]

Which idea?

[foggy fern]

NPVIC

[opaque prairie]

did you not even watch the video what

[foggy fern]

Yeah to be honest you guys should probably not be picking candidates based on how well they do in Iowa

(I'm in Iowa)

How do you feel about the EU? 😄

[shut vine]

Think the EU is a hot mess, but good in theory.

[foggy fern]

The EU works about the US did before the Civil War but without a military (coming soon) so if our system is so great why do so many Americans look at the EU as a disaster?

16th?

[shut vine]

I'm not an American FYI.

[foggy fern]

17th

[shut vine]

I look specifically about the fine print of product regulations and can see what they were trying to do but see that it's very impractical.

[foggy fern]

That's an argument against what they're doing, I usually see people argue about the system itself

Usually by complaining it's not run by people the countries elected

[shut vine]

Yeah I think the product regulations, specifically food industry ones, are destructive

[foggy fern]

I think this is just an argument Americans picked up via watching Brexit but yeah

Congress is the one that certifies the EC vote so they could still toss the extra set

[shut vine]

I dislike the EC and the fact the EU means a large portion of the country isn't run by those elected.

Actually that would be unconstititional

Which is part of the flaw in the constitution

It's basically a constitutional coup waiting to happen, needs patching ASAP

Oh, I listened to this guys video let me show you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZWRhLW7Y8w&t=737s

States are basically allowed to decide how they want their EC delegation to vote

[dusky raft]

The EU doesnt work as well as many appear to see it. It was originally a trade bloc for Europe that evolved overtime into a federal like government. @foggy fern The problem with you comparing pre-civil war US to current EU doesnt make much sense, and both have very wildly different ways of managing "states". The EU also has a lot more cogs in its decision making process

nevermind the EU is parked within the wealthier nations

plus the EU's capital rotation is just insane...

says the people who cant make fly by states blue other than arizona

[foggy fern]

What? No, flyover country is the Midwest

[dusky raft]

But really, I dont think a popular vote is a great idea. Compared to other countries, at least we vote for the president, abeit not directly

[weary obsidian]

that statement doesnt make sense

[dusky raft]

its two seperate things

I know

[foggy fern]

I think he's talking about parliamentary systems

[weary obsidian]

why is the will of the people at a federal level electing the president who is in charge t a federal level not a good idea?

we use PV for other seats

the whole entire point of the EC has been destroyed, its now doing more harm than it was trying to fix

republicans want the EC because they know that they are outnumbered and its their only chance anymore

[shut vine]

Might want to get your gun ready, would be time to stand up for Democracy and overthrow the coup government.

[weary obsidian]

sadly the left is scared of guns, im a minority on the left 😦

[shut vine]

It's a loophole in the constitution, not intended to be used in this way.

[dusky raft]

@small root under an election based on popular vote, swing states wouldnt be a thing anymore

cities can and will control everything under that system

[weary obsidian]

swing would still apply at house/senate level

which you know, are PV based

[shut vine]

The governor can already technically do that.

[elder portal]

on cities being able to control the election: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3wLQz-LgrM

they would not

4 minutes, 42 seconds

it's an easy watch

[weary obsidian]

its not about cities vs rural, its amount percent of the population who wants their views represented as a whole

why is majority rule acceptable for almost everything in voting except this?

votes are suppose to calculate ensuring the majority of the votees views are satisfied

yes, so take the vote ona national level, its exactly whats being a rgued for!

right now you have millions of voters whos vote doesnt matter.

[shut vine]

I come at this from a slightly different angle. Realistically the presidential power mostly comes from Congress which is decided by PV already. I think some changes to the EC have to take place, but I doubt debating if we should abolish it is very useful, since it'll probably never happen.

[upper steppe]

Imagine if minecraft was updated based on popular opinion... We wouldn't have survival anymore because the few big servers would have voted out those aspects. The other 99.9% of us would be forced into what the few big one wanted. That's why the EC is a thing..

[elder portal]

more presidential/unpresidential tweets, brought to you by the men themselves
Presidential: https://i.imgur.com/fIC4Qka.png
Unpresidential: https://i.imgur.com/DCM1OoT.png (RT'd by Trump)

[weary obsidian]

thats a horrible and nonsensicle analogy billy

for one, survival is more popular anyways

[shut vine]

@elder portal would a president not be against voter suppression if it was a thing?

[cosmic badge]

Only one half of Congress is democratic. The other half is fundamentally designed to be undemocratic, with less populous states having equal voting power in the Senate as more populous ones.

[shut vine]

Or if they believed it was happening?

[mystic ermine]

I think that a fair chunk of people don't care about "presidential"-ness

[upper steppe]

thats a horrible and nonsensicle analogy billy
@weary obsidian it's an analogy meant to show a point :/

[weary obsidian]

didnt show any point though

[foggy fern]

If can't make a point if it's wrong

[elder portal]

@shut vine it's not a good look for the current president, at all

[upper steppe]

Ffs, I give up

[elder portal]

this is not how you lose with grace

[shut vine]

I mean, the differences in the levels of Congress makes a lot more sense than the executive.

[tough cedar]

he hasn't lost yet tho

[shut vine]

You need checks and balances.

[foggy fern]

Single player and realms are more popular than whatever you guys are doing 😛

[elder portal]

he is losing, and he is not doing so with any dignity

he hasn't lost yet

[tough cedar]

nevermind u rite

[weary obsidian]

that analogy is more in line with "should a private company let the public vote on how they should run the company, vs lettting the company run it out of their own decisions using their expertise"

[elder portal]

but he is behind, and his tweets are very upsetting

[tough cedar]

they are bad tweets

[shut vine]

Lets assume for a second the popular vote elects an actually totalitarian party, those laws can be effectively blocked by either level of Congress.

[tough cedar]

not befitting of someone who should be a role model

[mystic ermine]

both house and senate

Bahahahahaaaa

[upper steppe]

that analogy is more in line with "should a private company let the public vote on how they should run the company, vs lettting the company run it out of their own decisions using their expertise"
@weary obsidian it was a simple concept, not my fault you want to tear it apart with semantics

[dusky raft]

Yeah, I think the executive branch does have way to much power bestowed to it, nevermind some unaccountable departments with in it outside of oversight

[shut vine]

@shut vine it's not a good look for the current president, at all
@elder portal Well, I agree, if he is JUST doing it because he's losing, then it's ungraceful. However, let the courts decide, if he's right, then it's good that he's trying to stop injustice.

I believe he's just doing it because he's losing, but, I trust in the judiciary to handle it.

[elder portal]

I trust the system enough to handle something like this, yeah

[shut vine]

The concern shouldn't be around that process, but around the electoral delegation process at this point.

[elder portal]

I don't trust that he's doing this in good faith

it's not befitting of a president or leader

but this is our leader

[upper steppe]

What is he doing? I haven't been paying attention (it's still too early to invest my cares)

[elder portal]

currently

[shut vine]

Yeah, I agree if my opinion of what is actually happening is correct.

[mystic ermine]

He's encouraging people to report voter fruad if they see it last I saw

[shut vine]

He's spreading doubt in the validity of the election.

[elder portal]

I've been posting tweets by Trump and Biden for the last couple days, comparing tweets hours apart

[tough cedar]

this is what he's doing

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1324353932022480896

Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

STOP THE COUNT!

Retweets

98377

Likes

563610

Twitter · Nov 5, 2020, 2:12 PM

[shut vine]

Well, again, if stopping the count is what the law says

[elder portal]

basically Trump is acting like a sore loser, a child

[shut vine]

Then the count should stop, so, we trust in the judiciary.

[tough cedar]

and this
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1324401527663058944

Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

STOP THE FRAUD!

Twitter · Nov 5, 2020, 5:21 PM

[elder portal]

all-caps tweets all morning

calling frauds everywhere

[shut vine]

But pretty sure it's not, and he's just spreading doubt.

[elder portal]

this is not behavior befitting of a leader

[tough cedar]

do you want to name another president for me that did this imabasket?

[elder portal]

fuck that excuse

[tough cedar]

do you want to name another president that did this?

[elder portal]

fuck it to hell

[mystic ermine]

packed

You use that word

[tough cedar]

cause i want to see another president that has acted this way

[shut vine]

Butchering the terms like packing the court.

[mystic ermine]

and I donna think it means what you think it means

[dusky raft]

no, packing means adding more seats

[mystic ermine]

That was not packing in any capacity?

[shut vine]

That's not packing.

[mystic ermine]

he had a role to fill

He filled it

[weary obsidian]

I saw republicans cheating and adding fake Republican ballots to NC votes! Republicans cheated NC! /s

see? anyone can make a false statement without evidence

[elder portal]

being kind, inclusive, or a good winner or loser has nothing to do with being "your average candidate"

you can be a good human being

[weary obsidian]

STOP THE NC FRAUD !!!

[mystic ermine]

The only thing that's crazy is that both parties will scream that it's not the time to do it in the last year when you're not on the seat

[shut vine]

Correct, which is why we have to leave it all up to judiciary.

There probably isn't enough evidence even if foul play went on.

[weary obsidian]

its pathetic to make baseless accusations without evidence

[shut vine]

And there probably wasn't enough if there was any at all to change the election result.

Yeah I agree, also he looks desperate either way by the way he's doing it

[weary obsidian]

were not going there

[elder portal]

ad hominem attacks are ineffective when called out

[upper steppe]

Yeah, trump's tweets are dumb. We've all know this for years. Nothing new lmao

[shut vine]

I actually agree, what they did to Kavanaugh was disgusting.

[elder portal]

yeah, me opening this discussion again was a mistake

still basket being basket

[dusky raft]

Well, it is a mess to begin off with, considering the lack of some standard set by the federal government. Nevermind with mail in ballots still arriving in some states, I just see this being pushed to the courts due to the length of time this is going to take

[shut vine]

Yeah it's in the past, he's confirmed, time to move on.

[weary obsidian]

if a person got their vote in by nov3rd, its not their fault for postal delays (now, sure they shouldnt of waited until last minute, I agree). the vote should be counted

[shut vine]

Yeah, legislative and executive really should have sat down and decided on standards for this election considering the nature.

[weary obsidian]

now I'll admit NC's deadline is a bit extreme

[shut vine]

I agree, however I also agree we can't just wait forever for the votes to come in.

[weary obsidian]

you dont if the race isnt close enough

[shut vine]

If x voted by mail, and it hasn't arrived yet, that should not hold the election to ransom.

[weary obsidian]

but if it is, those votes matter

[upper steppe]

Mail in ballots was a mistake, tbh. Let's be real. Everyone should have just gone to the booth like every year, then we most likely wouldn't be in this mess

[dusky raft]

What I am saying is that people should have mailed it in back in late sept/early october

[weary obsidian]

no, mail i nballots isnt the issue, the mistake was allowing them to be post marked by nov 3rd

[dusky raft]

yes

[weary obsidian]

they need to just set the deadline 7 days before

[shut vine]

Well, I sort of agree with the idea that there was already a process established for this via absentee ballots.

[weary obsidian]

stop allowing people to procastinate

[dusky raft]

they should have been postmarked a week before

[shut vine]

Why did we invent a new process that does the same thing, effectively?

Of course it's going to get fucked up.

[weary obsidian]

mailin IS absentee

provisional is the other type, which is "not sure if this is a valid vote"

[dusky raft]

We need to stop being lenient within our election deadlines

[upper steppe]

We need to stop being lazy and just show up to the booth

[shut vine]

Did you get your ballot automatically or did you have to apply for it?

[dusky raft]

Im fine with applications being mass mailed

[shut vine]

That's the process that is questionable to me.

Yeah, me too.

Yeah, which is why they should have applied en masse for their absentee ballots.

[cosmic badge]

Also maybe if there was a national holiday so everyone can actually take the time to do it, that'd be great too. Otherwise not everyone is able to show up in person.

[weary obsidian]

@upper steppe unnecessary exposure to others. were gonna see hell in 2 weeks I bet.

mail in works just the same as in person if people dont fucking procastinate

[dusky raft]

ballot harvesting should also be illegal, and USPS should provide a secured drop off

[shut vine]

Cases skyrocketing today isn't because they voted in person

Ah okay

[weary obsidian]

can be from early voting james

[shut vine]

Yeah, as you get more cases the curve is going to sharpen. Also yea could be.

[upper steppe]

@upper steppe unnecessary exposure to others. were gonna see hell in 2 weeks I bet.
@weary obsidian eh, you say that, but when I went I didn't come into contact with anyone. They had strict regulations to keep everyone spaced out, etc. It was akin to standing in like be at the grocery store during this pandemic. We all do that already..

[shut vine]

Though do they do voting early 2 weeks ahead?

[cosmic badge]

I don't. I order my groceries.

[upper steppe]

Snowflake

Lol

[cosmic badge]

Snowflake because I choose to keep myself and others safer?

[shut vine]

The numbers from today are mostly going to be infections from nearly 2 weeks ago.

[cosmic badge]

Yeah okay.

[dusky raft]

speaking of mail in ballots, I wonder if my tax return forms ever arrived at the IRS

[tough cedar]

snowflake for not wanting to get a relatively unstudied virus 🤔

that has indications of vascular damage 🤔

[cosmic badge]

We haven't even touched the surface on the long-term implications of recovering from COVID lol

[tough cedar]

and increased risk of getting a stroke for a month after recovering 🤔

and what else?

brain fog?

[upper steppe]

Here we go. I opened my mouth. Let the lynching begin

[tough cedar]

yea, well when you diminish the virus' effects on people

[upper steppe]

I never said that

Ffs

[tough cedar]

dude you called him a snowflake for not wanting to get it

how is that NOT diminishing the virus?

[weary obsidian]

@upper steppe standing in line for hours, not knowing if someone coughed at the booth before you, some locations prob had closed doors you had to touch doors, dunno how pens was handled but usually voting booths have the pens on a chain.

[upper steppe]

Hours?

[weary obsidian]

its all out of the normal exposure points

[upper steppe]

I was there 2 minutes

[weary obsidian]

yes not everyone had that experience

our waiting lines at some locations hit multiple hours

[cosmic badge]

It's almost like you end up with a different experience when each county manages it separately.

Shocking, that.

[shut vine]

All of those are equally anecdotal but okay

[tough cedar]

well the point of it is some people will be at an increased risk

while others wouldn't be

[weary obsidian]

its still all exposure you get zero of by voting by mail. the only negative to voting by mail is fear of republicans

[cosmic badge]

Deliberate congestion is a voter suppression tactic, let's not pretend we're ignorant to that fact.

[weary obsidian]

worrying if they are gonna destroy your ballot

[upper steppe]

They even gave me a finger condom that I didn't know what was for at first. I looked at the lady that handed it to me and was like "that's too small"

[shut vine]

I mean I agree, should have just kept the absentee process the same, people can apply for them

Instead of sending ballots to last known addresses, which at least in some instances have been completely wrong

[tough cedar]

i didn't have to wait when i voted either, but I did see pictures online of people standing in fairly long lines

[drifting arch]

well, didn't wake up to red hell so that's good at least

[cosmic badge]

In some places they limit the number of polling places to deliberately make it harder for people to vote.

[weary obsidian]

my area didnt auto send ballots, but a local org sent forms to request it and they delivered it to local elections office

[upper steppe]

In some places they limit the number of polling places to deliberately make it harder for people to vote.
@cosmic badge that's shitty :(

[cosmic badge]

Some places just don't have the resources.

[weary obsidian]

@upper steppe its your boys doing it

[upper steppe]

Here they turned every public school into a voting place. All the kids got to stay home that day to minimize exposure

[weary obsidian]

specially texas

[shut vine]

Yeah I like that process Aikar

[cosmic badge]

And yes it's largely Republicans doing this in black counties.

[tough cedar]

hes not republican he said yesterday just to be clear

[shut vine]

When people get ballots not meant for them, that makes me cringe

[upper steppe]

@upper steppe its your boys doing it
@weary obsidian right... Cause I'm a republican, hmm? I've told you countless times I'm not one.. lol

[weary obsidian]

well i didnt see you say that, but fine "The people you voted for"

[elder portal]

I set my Twitter dashboard to update every minute instead of every hour. Something I should have done earlier. Enjoy sentiment analysis and tweets as they come in, in real time

[upper steppe]

Pretty sure the people I voted for turned all the public schools into voting places instead of what byteflux said

Not sure what you're on about, aikar...

[cosmic badge]

Nice, same here

But Southern states are particularly guilty of suppression by means of restricting polling places and times.

[upper steppe]

Shame on them, I say

That's real shitty

[shut vine]

Republicans actually saw a surge in black support.

[cosmic badge]

Looking at raw numbers or %?

[shut vine]

Maybe has something to do with them actually being not black? "If you don't vote for me, you ain't black"

[upper steppe]

Probably because they see through bidens fake personality. Biden reminds me of the old guy at a high school party trying to fit in, but just can't lmao

[cosmic badge]

I mean easy to say that because turnout was really good, but curious how much better it was relative to last election

[shut vine]

Both % and raw numbers increased from previous from what the NY times said

[cosmic badge]

I can see the 1994 crime bill controversy weakening Biden's black vote too

[shut vine]

Tbh I see both parties as mostly the same, I think there's a growing minority in America seeing that. I think some thought Trump wasn't the same as previous politicians, but I don't know if that's true.

[weary obsidian]

well hes not, hes far from previous

[shut vine]

I have a feeling that was just his platform, and he exploited that weakness perfectly.

[weary obsidian]

his thought and ideals are the same sure,but his metholodigies are not

[cosmic badge]

I wonder if Trumpism will die or if it's just gonna get more divisive from here

If Biden wins, that is

[shut vine]

Well..

The country is already divided.

[weary obsidian]

well you can bet his ass isnt gonna stop tweeting

[shut vine]

The election shows that, and shows which ever President gets in, will not have a clear mandate from the people.

I think the next few presidential terms are going to be hard for whatever president gets in.

Also I doubt a loss this year will stop him in 2024.

[weary obsidian]

but you know, once hes not president, if he doesnt clean up his act twitter can just remove him then, and he can go to his peoples personal echo chamber

[shut vine]

I think the smart play for the winner, is to try to mend the rift between the parties and the people.

But that's probably going to be a hard road.

[weary obsidian]

republicans have their own twitter they can use

[shut vine]

Banning him on Twitter will cause civil war unless he gives a really good concession speech

[weary obsidian]

well bidens so fucking center, and hes declared he wants to try, he can do it

no basket ffs.

[cosmic badge]

Lol, that's a very leftist position of you Basket.

[weary obsidian]

you want to allow fake news lol

[upper steppe]

If Biden wins, that is
@cosmic badge personally, if Biden wins, oh well. we had a good run while it lasted. ^_^ we'll see what Biden can do with this mess that keeps getting handed down the presidential generations

[mystic ermine]

I personally have no faith in biden actually mending the rift

[tough cedar]

i'm not sure anyone can mend the rift at this point

[weary obsidian]

people dont! see: trump supporters

[mystic ermine]

He's too much of a politician, that especially after somebody like trump, he just looks like a fraud

[cosmic badge]

You basically want the government to intervene on a private platform and tell them what they can and cannot delete on their own platform, sounds like government overreach to me 🙂 I thought you shared Republican values?

[shut vine]

Well, Harris has indicated she wants to sign EO's that violate the constitution with a "do it anyway" attitude. She's likely to take the seat of president if she's VP in the next 4 years.

[mystic ermine]

the way he looks into the camera and does that typical hand gesture they all do in some choreographed song of "vote for us"

[weary obsidian]

if the right wants to spew their conspiracies, they can go to parlor

[cosmic badge]

Oh well, that's fine. Such a platform would never catch on in the mainstream any way, so whatever lol

[weary obsidian]

twitter is not for that

[cosmic badge]

Nobody is going to use an unmoderated platform.

Just facts

[weary obsidian]

repubs will, parlor lol

[cosmic badge]

Yeah but nobody would be influenced then

Which is fine

[shut vine]

Sure, remove section 230 protections from them then

[weary obsidian]

we dont want that james

[mystic ermine]

I mean, I think part of the annoyance is the inconsistency

[weary obsidian]

thatll fuck everyone on the internet

wed have to shutdown all forums

[mystic ermine]

e.g. news post trumps tax returns illegally, that's fine

[weary obsidian]

and prob discord

[shut vine]

No, just for social media platforms that remove content that isn't illegal

[mystic ermine]

potential evidence being found which ties into stuff already ongoing, that's wrong

[weary obsidian]

ok, then lets just create disinformation campaigns and flood the platform with so much fake news

[shut vine]

Specifically for ones that editorialize like twitter

Twitter broke that trust with NY post, they admitted to as much

[weary obsidian]

twitter isnt modifying the content ,its not editoring

[upper steppe]

see this is why i hate politics, tbh. everyone picks a side and latches on for dear life like it matters. Left this, right that, red this, blue that. Every election I try to hold conversations with people, but I always get labeled on one side or the other because of this stupid system. I liked Bush junior and would have voted for him if I ws registered at the time. I then liked Obama and would have voted for him, too. Then I liked Ron Paul and got off my ass and registered to vote. Then Trump comes along and i liked him so voted for him (twice now). I think it's fair to say I dont have a side, and I think people should not latch themselves on to either side either.

[weary obsidian]

its adding disclaimers

[tough cedar]

i'm not really on either side either

[shut vine]

I think I've generally been pretty consistent with my views, not specifically to a specific side

I don't think someone who wasn't would suggest revolution against a coup Republican government.

Though not sure who Billy was talking to specifically

[mystic ermine]

and outright banning people from twitter if they post a new article which they can't agree on why they're blacklisting

They even admitted that they where wrong to blacklist it

[shut vine]

Then not unbanning them

And committing perjury saying it's unblocked when it wasn't.

[drifting arch]

GA gap dropped to 9.5k

PA 90k

[shut vine]

I can't see how people don't see what Twitter did as reprehensible on both sides, maybe because it benefits their side?

[tough cedar]

i didn't follow the story because it wouldn't have changed my vote lol

so i've not no opinion on it

[shut vine]

Yeah that's fine

I don't expect anyone to have that opinion

There's no evidence that Twitter deliberately colluded with any party in particular in my opinion

[weary obsidian]

i dunno the tweets ive seen disclaimered were misleading tweets that needed to inform the user they should not trust the contents of the tweet

[cosmic badge]

I honestly don't care what kinds of opinions Twitter tries to shape. I don't recognize Twitter as a valid source of information either way.

It's just a bunch of people flinging shit at a wall.

[mystic ermine]

The issue these days is "where do you get your info?"

[shut vine]

They completely blocked a potentially damaging Tweet about Biden, they've admitted it was in error, additionally they banned a majority of people who retweeted it, they expected the user who posted it to delete the original tweet (and it's traction, likes whatever) to be able to post again AFTER they allegedly unblocked the link to the article. They claimed they allowed the specific article to be tweeted again under oath, however at the time the article was blocked from being posted.

Sorry had to edit that twice for clarification as some of it wasn't very clear

[cosmic badge]

Really don't care about Twitter's incompetence (or potentially maliciously calculated actions), let the free market sort it out.

[upper steppe]

i thought america had protections against actions like that. lol, specifically so that people can say damaging things against people in power, without censorship or consequence

hmmmmm

[shut vine]

Sure, then lift 230 protections

[foggy fern]

1st Amendment doesn't protect you from Twitter

[shut vine]

Then the free market can decide

[foggy fern]

If you lose 230 Twitter deletes your account

[shut vine]

Yeah, that's fine by me

[foggy fern]

(and everyone else not a celebrity signing a contract that they'll pay the legal fees)

[shut vine]

They can then be sued for that

[foggy fern]

How could they be sued for not wanting to risk being sued?

[shut vine]

I don't even have an account, tbh

[tough cedar]

me either lol

[shut vine]

Because they're an American company without 230 protections 😛

[upper steppe]

i'm just now learning of this 230.. why would twitter not be protected by it?

[foggy fern]

Without 230 they'd either need to lose all moderation and curation or explicitly approve every post before it goes live

[upper steppe]

seems like it was made for companies like twitter

[shut vine]

It was made for ISP's originally

[foggy fern]

It was, Trump and Republicans in Congress have been talking about getting rid of it

[shut vine]

But Twitter editorializes content, marking the validity of it

[mystic ermine]

It's designed to protect companies hosting others content on the basis that they can't realistically prevent such content being on their site, iirc

[foggy fern]

To be fair some Democrats have too but it's been a big thing for Republicans

[mystic ermine]

So, you can't post some funky shit and twitters CEO goes to jail for your actions

[shut vine]

They wouldn't go to jail, it'd be civil

[foggy fern]

It's meant for forums, comment sections, web hosts, etc

Allows platforms to have moderation without being responsible for anything they haven't moderated

[cosmic badge]

Pretty much anywhere you can potentially upload illegal content.

[shut vine]

The main premise is that if they want to moderate beyond what is reasonable, i.e. political ideas, specifically deciding if something is or is not factual, they shouldn't have 230 protections

Additionally it takes into consideration how integral to modern communication social platforms have become, for better or for worse

[elder portal]

Twitter is a very strange place.
https://i.imgur.com/Zt4eHnR.png
https://i.imgur.com/ANPBPmR.png
https://i.imgur.com/CTkSDob.png
https://i.imgur.com/kjl2S7N.png

I have to assume bots

[shut vine]

Wtf

Trump is allowed a recount in any county he wants

Same with Biden

[upper steppe]

dont worry @elder portal they said the same thing last election (even celebrities jumped on that one lol)

[elder portal]

it's the same situation, but reversed roles here:
https://i.imgur.com/kyEtpKQ.png
https://i.imgur.com/SFnvRoN.png
https://i.imgur.com/unV9f9M.png

I think these tweets are simply trying to be deliberately divisive

[upper steppe]

i dont think any of those celebrities that said they were moving to canada if trump won, actually moved to canada

¯_(ツ)_/¯

people just get too upset and never learned how to handle loss

[shut vine]

That's a shame

[elder portal]

I'm not 100% sure these are real humans

[shut vine]

I hope anyone who claims to want to move because a president lost, actually moves

[elder portal]

which worries me

[foggy fern]

I don't think Trump can actually get a recount anywhere he wants

[shut vine]

They probably are

[cosmic badge]

I'm sure many would, until they realize Canada has some of the strictest immigration rules lol

[shut vine]

They're probably all Putin

[elder portal]

someone, or some group (s?) are trying to deliberately divide the nation

[foggy fern]

It has to be within the rules for the state or he has to sue

[elder portal]

at least it seems a possibility

[upper steppe]

@shut vine https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/22/move-to-canada-celebrities-donald-trump

[shut vine]

I don't mind where they move Byteflux, just somewhere without democracy

[upper steppe]

lol

its sad, but these people are real

[shut vine]

Ship them off to North Korea

[upper steppe]

(on both sides)

[shut vine]

That'll help them see some perspective

Or China

[elder portal]

basically, the same sort of thing is happening for/against both sides, and it's trying to take a side you agree with and make you hate the other side

[upper steppe]

^ ding

[shut vine]

Yeah exactly

[elder portal]

for example, replying to/talking to the side you disagree with

[shut vine]

It's what politicians and MSM wants

So.. my partners cousin, actually disowned his own family for voting for a particular side.

[elder portal]

it does nothing for the people already supporting your cause, it just makes the other side hate you more

[shut vine]

Just like wtf.

[elder portal]

which makes me wonder, why?

who's behind it?

and what's their end-goal?

[shut vine]

She thinks he's a fucking loon, like I do

[cosmic badge]

I'm annoyed the Senate didn't flip. I want my next stimulus check dammit. 😛

[elder portal]

one day, perhaps

[cosmic badge]

Nah, I blame Republicans.

[shut vine]

Couldn't the house possibly flip too still?

Although unlikely

[cosmic badge]

Here's a thought

Stop compromising on the bill

Stop holding it up, Senate Republicans

[shut vine]

I personally think both need to stop that.

[cosmic badge]

Great

[mystic ermine]

The issue iirc is that the dem side of the bill basically wants to cover a bunch of other stuff in their bill which the repubs don't wanna support

[shut vine]

Nah it's both the Republican's and Democrat's fault. They've BOTH compromised, just not to the level the other wants.

Politicians fault, holding the people at ransom politically

Fucking disgusting by both Democrats and Republicans

[mystic ermine]

Also, can I note for the record, Pelosi doesn't live in her district

[shut vine]

Yeah she's a particular peace of work

[mystic ermine]

Imho, you should have to live in the district you represent

Why don't you live there?!

[shut vine]

Too busy getting her covid-rule-free haircut.

[cosmic badge]

I would've assumed a lot of congresspeople don't live in their district 😛

But yeah, seems sensible they should.

[shut vine]

Yea, if they're representing them

I mean I'm fine with them having a DC home as well for when Congress meets, and realistically the taxpayer should foot some of that

To a reasonable level, not talking 100M mansions here

[mystic ermine]

Pretty much, imho

[faint radish]

I love the interview she did on the late late show where she showed off her $20k(I think) fridge and her freezer drawer full of ice cream

at the top of the first covid wave

[shut vine]

Primary residence should be in their district though

[weary obsidian]

https://giphy.com/gifs/jealousofthebirds-blue-eyes-c6X2bKDxrNPa5j0Wjs

[foggy fern]

I don't see the Republicans going +30 in the House this election

[faint radish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7DKYML2MRs

[brisk cradle]

Greta channels her inner Trump https://twitter.com/gretathunberg/status/1324439705522524162?s=21

Greta Thunberg (@GretaThunberg)

So ridiculous. Donald must work on his Anger Management problem, then go to a good old fashioned movie with a friend! Chill Donald, Chill! https://t.co/4RNVBqRYBA

Retweets

90961

Likes

474801

Twitter · Nov 5, 2020, 7:53 PM

[shut vine]

Yes, Americans are doing it tough just like Nancy, and her Sub Zero appliances.

[foggy fern]

They're +6 right now and I can only spot a few places they might gain more

[shut vine]

Pretty sure I saw 3 in CA, 1 in TX, 2 or 3 in NY

[faint radish]

dont think anyone was expecting Rs to get the house. think media said house was staying D on election night itself

[foggy fern]

They flipped 8, Democrats flipped 2 in called races so far

[shut vine]

Yea

I think they'll get 10 net gain by the end roughly

[foggy fern]

10 is probably about right

[shut vine]

Wont be enough, think they will be 4 away ish

Think Dems had 232 before right?

[foggy fern]

Dems had a 35 seat lead, Republicans gaining 10 will leave them with a 15 seat lead

[shut vine]

Ah okay, yeah

So Republicans would need 18 to take it