But most states just fine them, their vote still stands
#politics
foggy fern
oak cloak
that's a completely different bullshit scenario
sand shale
alaska is a thing
shut vine
A faithless elector in this situation would be fair, since Trump had a few.
foggy fern
So faithless electors could flip the election entirely if it's close
Clinton had a few, I didn't think Trump had any
oak cloak
so far a faithless elector has never cost an election, but the longer the EC goes the more likely it'll happen
foggy fern
Trump had 2, Clinton had 8
shut vine
Yikes, how is it still legal lol
opaque prairie
its not in a lot of places
weary obsidian
@shut vine how do you figure? still a million ish votes to go and 268k difference where biden is holding near 80% of mail in ballots
oak cloak
because it favors republicans
weary obsidian
thats enough to pull biden over
foggy fern
Oh, 3 of Clinton's got undone so she had 5
opaque prairie
i mean dont forget, the winning state party chooses the electors... in a close race im sure those electors will be held very very tightly
shut vine
I looked at it yesterday before they started counting.
foggy fern
1 went to Sanders, 1 went to Faith Spotted Eagle, and 3 went to Colin Powell
opaque prairie
colin powell kekw
foggy fern
Do you actually need 270 or do you just need more than anyone else?
weary obsidian
270
foggy fern
I know if electors are rejected the number you need goes down
shut vine
That's also a stupid system
restive seal
weary obsidian
but you cant end up w/o 270 without a 269/269 i dont think
foggy fern
Sure you can, if a bunch of people vote for Colin Powell instead
foggy fern
If Biden gets PA, GA, or NC this isn't a serious risk but otherwise... yikes
opaque prairie
yeah one of those states as a buffer would be best
foggy fern
I'd be right there with the rioters if something like that happened
sweet canyon
NV is tomorrow, right?
opaque prairie
yeah, but as a padding state against riots and faithless electors
foggy fern
NV gets him 270 but faithless electors can screw it up
opaque prairie
it could be tonight glare
restive seal
NV changed story, might report in today a bit Glare
sweet canyon
Oooo
weary obsidian
amaranth meant that those states give enough EV's that faithless wont matter
but faithless can matter if just NV
foggy fern
If he gets something else too it's unlikely enough bail on him to mess it up
shut vine
Yea gotcha
weary obsidian
though, dems control the house, so i think its safe there
foggy fern
For real, if Biden wins but faithless electors ruin it in December I'm getting a plane ticket to DC
weary obsidian
but hmm requires 2/3rd's so rethugs can sit it out
shut vine
That absolutely needs to change. All states should treat it like Colorado, Michigan, and Minnesota.
restive seal
Even if he wins.
opaque prairie
if faithless electors turn it you will probably see riots on an imaginable scale
foggy fern
Yeah, me included
restive seal
He suggested there were what, 3 million illegal votes in california last time?
opaque prairie
same ama, there is no chance i tolerate that
blazing junco
If he wins this election will be the fairest election ever.
According to him, of course
If he loses it's all a plot
restive seal
Yeah, there's no scenario where he describes this as anything but rigged.
foggy fern
Too late
sweet canyon
But they can actually remove him from office now, no?
It's different from being impeached, right?
shut vine
There's a policing entity that is obligated to remove a president if they don't do so willingly, think FBI.
weary obsidian
secret service ;P
blazing junco
Just hope no firefights happen at the white house over the result 
weary obsidian
SS's job to ensure unauthorized people are not in the whitehouse
weary obsidian
yeah gj on him pissing off the military, mr im so big on our military
blazing junco
He evaded the draft 
sweet canyon
What'd he do to the military this time?
weary obsidian
its been multiple things over years, but iirc recently he ignored the miltary leader or something
opaque prairie
also all the john mcain stuff
weary obsidian
blazing junco
I don't like CNN as a source
blazing junco
Heavily leftist source that has skewed facts many times
shut vine
A lot of it seemed to stem from him telling the generals to withdraw troops, and they said no, so he went at them publicly.
opaque prairie
i mean the worst part of this is hes right about the wars thing, its just congresses fault that the money is in the military in the first place
blazing junco
A little better than Fox but
shut vine
Withdraw troops from the endless war areas.
blazing junco
Still not good
weary obsidian
sorry if truth has a left bias 🤷
shut vine
It's not a left bias, it's heavily left these days.
weary obsidian
fine here a neutral source https://www.npr.org/2020/09/10/911197883/trump-vs-the-military-the-presidents-mounting-attacks-on-the-top-brass
NPR is about as unbiased you can get
shut vine
Wolfe Blitzer gave them hope.
blazing junco
I wasn't disputing what happened
I was simply suggesting not using CNN as a source
Nah
weary obsidian
it doesnt matter source if the information is factual
you should verify stuff anyways
blazing junco
anyway uhh looks like Nevada has a pretty big role but Arizona's still there
weary obsidian
but if npr runs it, you can pretty much trust its real on provided information
shut vine
Anyway, my recollection is he wanted to withdraw from endless wars, they decided not to follow CIC authority, and didn't withdraw.
Then he was Trumpy in the press with them.
blazing junco
Trumpy is a good word to describe his behavior ngl
shut vine
It's a new word I use, since politicians seem to be acting his way more and more.
Since he came around anyway.
blazing junco
They generally don't want to withdraw to leave their allies without any support
shut vine
I'm 50/50 too, if they did indeed disobey CIC authority, they probably should have been court martialed. Not Trumpy'd in the media.
blazing junco
But yea
shut vine
Of course, but other than starting a war, president has a huge amount of control over what the military does
foggy fern
He tends to say shit in a way they can argue isn't an explicit order
It's his wannabe mob boss style
shut vine
If he wants them to do star jumps around Trump tower he can get them to do it.
blazing junco
Don't give him any ideas
sweet canyon
Georgia down to 60K?
blazing junco
can somebody explain why in some websites it shows biden as having 253 electoral votes but on others it shows 264?
and in some it even shows 248
foggy fern
We'd have a lot less generals if he did that
shut vine
Yea because some news orgs have called additional states for Biden
That are yet to be settled
shut vine
Like it's "probably" going to him.
foggy fern
Pretty much everyone above captain can resign at any time afaik
shut vine
But it's still a bit close to call
foggy fern
Probably most of the captains too
opaque prairie
god this is nerve racking
shut vine
Unqualified resignation of commissioned officers is in writing, and goes through a whole recommendation and discharge process.
opaque prairie
also libertarians lost trump Michigan, i find that so funny
faint radish
Lol, pretty sure most actual libertarians don’t like trump either.
opaque prairie
also probably true
faint radish
Looks like the prop 16 result in CA was finalized as a NO. Excellent. And prop 22 passed here. Which is good.
shut vine
It would be interesting to see the reason
opaque prairie
agreed yes. also mind you Wisconsin has same day voter registration
shut vine
How many eligible voters (not registered) does Wisconsin have?
shut vine
If they have 90% of that vote, that is not 90% turnout I wouldn't think.. if you have 10M people who are eligible to vote, you'd need 9M+ to register, and 9M voting to get 90%.
Is my understanding wrong?
Wisconsin has a 4,396,000 eligible voting population.
opaque prairie
4,368,530 is the number i am seeing, but almost the same number james
opaque prairie
also like i said basket, wisconsin has day of registration
you can walk to a poll, register there and then vote
shut vine
That's meant for mapping other things, but shows the voting pop etc
I just found it randomly with some googlefu
opaque prairie
heres a spreadsheet i looked at
its from the election project or whatever. looks pretty good
shut vine
But lets assume Wisconsin didn't have walk in registration
Would 90% of the registered be 90% turnout? Or would 90% of voting pop?
Like I don't want to mix up my terminology.
opaque prairie
i mean there is probably one for each of those
registered turnout vs eligible turnout
shut vine
Yeah makes sense
But also makes sense that Wisconsin would be high, if you can register when you vote
Why register before?
Seems more convenient to do it on the day.
opaque prairie
agreed yeah
shut vine
I mean aside from SARS-CoV-2
That makes it a little more odd, but if people are used to that system, it's not overly unusual.
foggy fern
Iowa turnout still in the 70s, we've got that going for us at least
shut vine
Yeah, since Trump, voter turnout has been going up everywhere. Not that I'm saying it's because of people liking him, but it's just a correlation. Think both people are excited about him in office, and very against him being in office.
Wow, Wisconsin was VERY close.
20K votes
foggy fern
Same as 2016 just in reverse
elder portal
that's swing states for ya
restive seal
Possible repost but good lord people are dumb
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/crowd-storm-detroit-vote-count-election-2020-b1598248.html
elder portal
not a repost, per-se
but a discussion was had about it
this isn't democracy. Or a democratic republic. This is hate.
restive seal
I heard about the lawsuit threat but not the protesting. "Let's get together and insist votes aren't counted because a known liar told me something's bad here"
elder portal
this is also ignorance, which makes it just the teensiest bit funny
it would be much funnier if it wasn't so damning
drifting arch
this election is easily going to make up a good section of or perhaps its own chapter in a future history book
elder portal
I'm so, so sorry for those kids
opaque prairie
"election" did you mean the entire past 4 years
elder portal
at lest it's more interesting than most of the American revolution stuff
opaque prairie
im really just excited for trumps tweets to be used in a ap world DBQ
drifting arch
well, yes, the entire tenure will be covered but i think there's also a lot to say about the election in particular, which could potentially get a full chapter
thats what i meant
shut vine
America is headed for civil war regardless of the result, the hate does need to stop. It's getting pretty out of control.
drifting arch
ive seen people say that but like yikes
elder portal
double yikes
shut vine
The tensions in America right now, are believed to be higher than the trigger for the civil war.
elder portal
I don't think it's completely headed for civil war yet, but we got close a couple times
and if we continue it may very well end there
but we've got some borrowed time
shut vine
You're in a straw broke the camels back situation.
drifting arch
i think there is a good possibility that skirmishes will break out, expanding on the riots...but the national guard might be able to quash them
shut vine
Any small misstep could cause calamity, I think.
opaque prairie
i mean the real issue with a civil war, and everyone knows it, is that a majority of the american populace would not wether supply chain cuts and damages
covid displayed that plenty well
shut vine
Only those that are interested in civil war would weather those.
oak cloak
After suggesting that they may release additional results on Wednesday, state officials in Nevada reverted to their original plan of updating results Thursday at noon Eastern.
shut vine
The innocent people wouldn't.
elder portal
so no NV results until tomorrow
opaque prairie
damn i was really hoping to be able to seal it up tonight
shut vine
How long does initial counting usually take?
foggy fern
Nevada updated again, they're going to back waiting until tomorrow to update
opaque prairie
yep
elder portal
yep
opaque prairie
looks like a whole ton more mail in ballots than expected got taken to sites by usps
elder portal
oh, we expected it
foggy fern
Oh, it was scrolled just off screen and I don't try to keep up with backlog in here 😛
elder portal
we just deliberately didn't prepare for it
brisk cradle
Trump campaign filed a lawsuit to try and get Georgia to stop counting https://twitter.com/CourtneyDBryant/status/1324139665285328899
shut vine
Yeah, which he can legally do
opaque prairie
yeah, i mean we knew this was gonna happen
brisk cradle
It smacks of desperation, though.
opaque prairie
its been in the playbook for months
yeah it does. it means they legit think it will go biden
shut vine
It does, but we'll see what the law is when it gets to courts
brisk cradle
It means that his team thinks Georgia is lost.
shut vine
Like if there is a law in the state, and that's what gets him a win, he's following the law
It is an indicator of that yea
weary obsidian
and what law is he claiming is being broken
shut vine
I don't know, check the lawsuit if you're interested
brisk cradle
Oh, I just saw this: https://twitter.com/PoliticusSarah/status/1324116349539463168
opaque prairie
that didnt take long
tough cedar
lol interesting
shut vine
That could indicate he thinks he can win in another way
shut vine
I don't think he will, it's very unlikely at this point
brisk cradle
exactly 1 percentage point separates Trump and Biden in GA
shut vine
It's very easy for a nominee to get a recount
brisk cradle
GA will go down to the wire for sure.
opaque prairie
i think it means theyre confident somewhere else...
shut vine
Yeah GA and NC will be neck and neck battles
opaque prairie
which makes me nervous for nevada and arizona
shut vine
Maybe Arizona, there are a lot of claims of one county using sharpies for the ballots
fast flame
Yeah GA and NC will be neck and neck battles
this sentence is something i never thought i would hear in a presidential race
shut vine
Seems farfetched but
brisk cradle
Sounds farfetched, probably even fake news.
brisk cradle
Trump's best hope is to win Arizona (which is looking unlikely), Pennsylvania (possible), and hold onto Georgia (likely, but the window is closing).
shut vine
Yeah, Trump has to hold PA, GA, NC, and one other.
elder portal
yeah, Biden needs one state. Trump needs all of them
shut vine
He'll get Alaska
elder portal
it's possible, but
shut vine
Yep
elder portal
it's just really unlikely
shut vine
Unlikely
elder portal
there's a few "nuclear options" that would completely destroy the US
not physically
well, physically too
shut vine
Maybe he really is a dictator and will start shooting people.
elder portal
but there's laws that haven't been dusted in quite some time
opaque prairie
im sure we will find out soon lol
elder portal
if he takes them, though, he would certainly cause civil war
shut vine
Yea, you'll find out soon if he's a dictator. 😛
opaque prairie
ah yeah the classic nuking your own country, usually ends great right?
fast flame
im honestly really scared that they have some plan to steal it at the last second
elder portal
it's not actually nuking the country, but there's a couple loopholes he can take advantage of to stay in power regardless of votes, but it would DEFINITELY cause civil war, for sure
nobody's ever used them
because it would destroy everything
fast flame
whatever he would do would cause the military to get involved and trump really doesnt want that
opaque prairie
gotta remember, the results we are seeing right now, are post voting shenanigans, so odds are there were already multiple attempts to steal these races, and now we are seeing counting shenanigans
shut vine
He can basically take all power from the states in a national emergency
elder portal
national emergencies are one way
fast flame
gotta remember, the results we are seeing right now, are post voting shenanigans, so odds are there were already multiple attempts to steal these races, and now we are seeing counting shenanigans
this is possible, which would explain why it is so close
elder portal
an everlasting national emergency is possible
shut vine
Bush was an idiot and rammed that law in.
elder portal
that's one way
opaque prairie
i dont want to discredit trump in saying that this level of turnout isnt possible, but i do think that there were most likely shenanigans during voting in a lot of places
fast flame
I trust that if trump overstays his welcome in the White House, his orange ass will be dragged out by marines
shut vine
Nah I think your nation has clearly been divided.
sick walrus
the pentagon has a plan in case someone attempts a coup
they have a plan for everything
shut vine
To say he hasn't done any good isn't very smart, and to say he's only done good is not very smart.
fast flame
id say it's skewed towards less good but youre right
sick walrus
he hasnt provided me with a government mandated catgirl so i cant say he did anything good
shut vine
Maybe, but that's subjective.
The point is, unless people try to mend the divide, things will just get worse.
sick walrus
i bet kanye would give us government mandated catgirls
shut vine
The government can't fix the issue that's plaguing America, only the citizens can.
elder portal
I will do whatever the gov't needs, regardless of who's in power
I can only hope the right person is
and vote
sick walrus
is it time for a revolution?
shut vine
I don't think so either, don't think many politicians want to fix it
sick walrus
im all in
elder portal
no time is the right time for revolution
shut vine
A lot of people believe that Trump wanted to fix the system, I have a feeling they were wrong.
elder portal
revolution has, historically, only made things worse for most everyone
especially in a democracy
shut vine
Yeah generally that's the case
sick walrus
i agree
elder portal
where healthcare, roads, food, education, etc are available
sick walrus
specially the US's revolution
or the french revolution
we should all be living in slums
planting for our feudal lords
drifting arch
maintain the systems that automatically plant and harvest for our feudal lords
fast flame
fun books to be written
sick walrus
what if the movie sucks
sick walrus
true
fast flame
shitty dystopian movies are the best and only kind
elder portal
I'm going to go into work tonight, stare my co-worker in the eyes, and ask, "so.. How's the weather today?"
like the world isn't in chaos around us
that'll make my day
fast flame
if biden wins here, im scared for what the next 2 months of lame duck donald trump will look like
elder portal
I predict not good
fast flame
yeah my expectations are low but they can go lower
probably just a fuckload of ragetweeting but idk what else
elder portal
well, worst-case..
Do you like nukes?
I kid
uh.. Hopefully. Likely.
the possibility scares me just a little though
drifting arch
i wouldn't be surprised if he did something ultra fuckin stupid and got impeached again but this time kicked out of office for the remainder of the tenure
fast flame
i wish but as long as we have a red senate he wont be removed
that was proven last time
drifting arch
unless what he does is especially egregious, not that the first one wasn't egregious
shut vine
Yeah what he was impeached for Obama also did
drifting arch
my parents are extreme trump supporters and they have fox news on and they're even conceding
which i didn't expect
shut vine
No one really cared about that
drifting arch
(fox is, that is)
fast flame
source?
elder portal
positive claim, etc etc
fast flame
Yeah what he was impeached for Obama also did
for this i mean
shut vine
Sure, give me a sec, it's the same agency that cited Trump for what he did.
Same law that Trump violated
oak cloak
that's good for your mental health
shut vine
Egg, you stressing over it wont change anything
elder portal
pretty much
shut vine
So you're just causing yourself unneeded stress
elder portal
well, at least I'm prepared for another 4 years of Trump, just in case
shut vine
I think the next 4 years will be... interesting reguardless.
elder portal
oh, penguinz0 came out with another video today. I guess he bought two 3' dildos.
okay
shut vine
Harris thinks she can ignore the constitution via EO for example.
fast flame
CNSNews is apparently a conservative to far-right news organization
shut vine
GAO report is linked.
shut vine
I was asked for a source, I provided it, no need to be rude.
fast flame
I feel like Obama was so thoroughly scrutinized for every move that if he had committed an impeachable offense, it would have been brought to the national stage.
shut vine
Yeah that may be true, do you think Trump was scrutinized more or less?
Like I feel world news painted Obama mostly in a positive light, and Trump in a negative one (usually out of context clips, not always).
oak cloak
gap in GA is now less than 1%
fast flame
maybe i was just not into politics but everyone acts like there was a huge uproar over everything obama did like the color of his suit
the stuff about his suit is used more as examples of completely and utterly stupid things that Fox News tried to bash Obama for, ie having Sean Hannity do an entire segment on Obama having dijon mustard on his burger.
shut vine
Other than that being the wrong mustard for a burger, what did that segment involve?
foggy fern
Wait that GAO thing with China isn't anything like what Trump got impeached for
oak cloak
fox blasted obama for forgetting to salute when getting off a plane, which 1. presidents are not in the military and do not have to salute, that's a rather recent tradition, and 2. anyone in the military knows it's something that you forget to do, because you're human
fast flame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAvq12Sa3VE @shut vine
oak cloak
just as 1 example
drifting arch
i mean he came back out and saluted anyway lol...
shut vine
Yea that's stupid af the salute thing
foggy fern
Eh, some it for Trump was just because we don't like him
shut vine
Preventing congressionally appropriated funds is the obstruction of congress article.
oak cloak
most of the criticism I've seen of trump has been valid. There's just so much valid shit to criticize him for you don't have to reach. He is unfit for the office and has done a terrible job
foggy fern
I mean, the main thing is it wasn't Obama himself doing it
shut vine
Likewise in the Trump situation
foggy fern
I didn't really dig too far past that
Trump was literally on the phone with the President of Ukraine
shut vine
Both office's that did it were beholden to the President.
It basically doesn't matter as the law reads
Also that's just alleged isn't it?
drifting arch
unrelated but i just belly laughed https://owo.whats-th.is/4FgfEfr.png
foggy fern
Obama's was also agencies continuing to do business with China after Congress said not to while Trump's was him trying to extort Ukraine to help his election by taking something away
shut vine
Is that depicting Biden as an evil Titan? 😛
foggy fern
Hey man, he was just trying to save Death from Deadpool
Love makes you do crazy things
drifting arch
I mean arguably Thanos wasn't "evil"...he wanted to keep order in the universe. So I mean, whatever.
don't take it too seriously, it's a facebook meme
foggy fern
Nah he was trying to impress Death so they could bang
shut vine
I wasn't, that's why the face
fast flame
Also that's just alleged isn't it?
even trump admitted to it. he didnt admit that they talked about anything nefarious, but he certainly was on the phone with the Ukrainians
shut vine
I would have seen it as maybe more apt to have done in 2016 though
foggy fern
I swear I've seen the same thing with Trump as Thanos and a crowd of people with pink hats
And less beard hair
shut vine
Well, with the way people depict Trump it fits LOL
Though, I suppose there are people who'd get offended on both sides regardless of which way it was
drifting arch
apt/not apt it's a facebook meme, can't honestly expect much from there. i just saw it and laughed
oak cloak
biden has lauched his transition website https://BuildBackBetter.com
elder portal
needs all the time he can get
kicking down houses made of cards is easy and fast
building them again is long and tedious
I hope we're not too late for the Paris accord or Iranian weapons
or the WHO, really
oak cloak
we're not too late for the WHO
if trump wins then obviously we are
not sure about the others
drifting arch
im sure y'all have already tried this scenario but i just did it out of curiosity, even if trump takes PA, NC, and GA as long as biden takes NV 538 forecasts 100/100 Biden
shut vine
Yeah, correct, just not a clear mandate
elder portal
meaning Trump needs all of them to win
drifting arch
yea
shut vine
Well, AZ is still technically up for grabs too, but likely blue
shut vine
You'd be a brave better to bet red
shut vine
There's only a possible 600K remaining, with Trump in a 200K lead, that lead was down to 150K, but jumped 50K in the last hour.
elder portal
NC likely red
drifting arch
GA gap continues to close, was 43k in Trump's favor about an hour ago, now 37.6k
shut vine
PA will be within about 50K either way, by my count last night when they started mail ballots, it would go to Trump, but it will be close.
Experts are apparently saying it'll go Biden, so we'll see if the experts deserve a job 😛
shut vine
I wouldn't bet on AZ going red no.
elder portal
if it's not PA it'll be NV, either way it's blue win
shut vine
I mean, I'd gladly put $20 on depending the odds.
shut vine
But I'd not put my life savings on it, it'd be a brave brave bet.
elder portal
I still owe $500 for my class
shut vine
The odds at this point would be very lucrative though probably.
There's 400k left in AZ with Biden 90K in front.
foggy fern
Prediction is those 400k left will be like 60% for Biden iirc
btw in PA Trump's lead is less than 200k now
shut vine
I'd predict about 50-55% but yea
I think Biden will end up with about 1.65M in AZ, and Trump 1.5M
Yeah 600K left in PA, Biden needs 2/3 of them.
restive seal
via Reddit
If Trump blows this lead in Georgia, it wouldn't be the first time that Atlanta has been involved in a blown lead that resulted in a Patriots win.
shut vine
That sounds like a joke but it's lost on me
foggy fern
Sportsball reference
shut vine
Figured
elder portal
man, I didn't even check my Reddit dashboard
what's politics looking like on there?
shut vine
Probably like usual, a shitstorm
foggy fern
restive seal
Thanks Amaranth!
elder portal
eyy, sportsball!
I know sportsball
it, uh..
involves people
and balls
and stuff
yay politics
filtering by shadowbanned or deleted users is a rabbit hole in and of itself
Grafana updates killed some of my tables, but I'll fix them eventually
shut vine
Upgrade to 7 or?
elder portal
might have been
it's not bad, the tables have the same data, it's just not as readable if you start scrolling
shut vine
I use it for my k8s cluster, though I don't utilize it as much as I could. But it's nice to have cluster stats and cri-o stats.
weary obsidian
hmm this tweet, censored it to make it a bit tamer for the minors:
lol fail, i scroll down to find another one for cam4 male gay version, yet they still used the same female I voted logo
shut vine
Never called I don't think?
shut vine
Yeah think Fox is just going by AP
Pretty sure it was at the same time/similar.
Probably correct though
oak cloak
I think we determined earlier today that fox was the first to call it
before AP
but who knows
shut vine
Ahhh, okay.
Could be, interesting
Yea, AZ is not counting till tomorrow, it's been that way for a while
Oh wait, that's NV
Yea mb
It will make it a bit more of a nail biter if he wins AZ
I doubt it though
Yeah, I'd not count on AZ, also yea what barty said
600K + any election day mail in ballots dropped off
Well actually nvm, 600k is registered voters
I think?
Yeah, 14% of currently counted is 600k
oak cloak
Trump lead in PA is down to 3.1%, still going down at expected rates
shut vine
Er, if you add the currently counted and divide by 86, multiply by 14.
PA will be very close in either direction.
oak cloak
mmhm
At first I was leaning on thinking for sure GA would be red, but it has a small chance of going blue
shut vine
I think PA will be the closest in numbers of states with more than 10 EV.
oak cloak
if current trend continues in GA biden will win it
oak cloak
in 18 minutes I think
shut vine
9PM eastern
opaque prairie
that was 12 minutes ago
oak cloak
depending on timezone conversions, I'm always bad at that
I thought it was 9:30, but yeah
opaque prairie
if its pst i got a long night lol
shut vine
Yeah not sure, can't see anything about an update on when the next update will be
oak cloak
from NYT:
New results from Maricopa County are beginning to come in, with Biden maintaining a lead. This is just the beginning in Arizona, as 600,000 votes are still outstanding.
1 minute ago
shut vine
Ah okay
opaque prairie
alright ive got more alcohol. ready for the votes to come in now
oak cloak
gonna take a break from all this bleakness for a while
shut vine
GA is close, about 150k-200k to count. 40k lead for Trump.
shut vine
NYT is where I'm looking.
elder portal
shut vine
Biden would need nearly 90% of the votes in NC to win it.
shut vine
Pretty sure we can call that one.
elder portal
if you've got known family in the U.S. you get captured and ransomed 😄
shut vine
Some crazy people on both sides, can't handle if their side loses.
elder portal
basically
shut vine
6 net gain for red in the House.
fast flame
that guy is a social media meme at this point
im almost positive it's not a real person
shut vine
Based on every other number I think they'll end up with a net gain of 6-8.
shut vine
LOL
shut vine
I think if he changed the second paragraph to read "I don't know if I can trust it, but there is hope I guess."
It would be a lot more measured
fast flame
i wonder what kind of unbiased plotical reporter mr fournier is
elder portal
I'm reading far-right and Trump rhetoric to laugh at it
it's how I'm passing the time
shut vine
Well, familiarizing yourself with the other side is a healthy thing.
fast flame
which he is unlikely to get
elder portal
eh, let's be honest, I'm not familiarizing myself with it on Twitter
I am here instead
shut vine
Yeah it's not the most exceptional way to do it
fast flame
most of the rest to be counted are in maricopa, compounded by the fact that most are mail in which objectively tilt left
elder portal
yeah, AZ is staying blue, sorry
shut vine
To me the most important thing in politics and life, is we don't have to agree on anything. But having a thoughtful/respectful dialogue when we don't is important.
elder portal
but I'll let everyone saying otherwise dig themselves deeper
oh, I've definitely looked at arguments on different sides for many issues
there's valid criticisms for doing things like updating the constitution
but after research, I'm convinced these things are the better path
though who knows, maybe someone will change my mind one day
fast flame
ive found that there are valid criticisms for a lot of the conservative agenda. the points they choose to argue, however, dont hold up so well
shut vine
Oh I think the constitution can be updated tbh. It's been done many times.
elder portal
"updated" is a tame way of putting "gutted and re-built"
shut vine
That's what propositions are for I think in the US.
elder portal
both raising and lowering taxes, for example, I'm skeptical of. Give me a good reason tax rate should change and I'll decide
shut vine
I think there is provision for that, but think it requires a super majority?
fast flame
lmfao apparently people on 4chan are complaining that the libertarian candidate stole their votes and that's why they're losing
shut vine
Of voters, not politicians.
shut vine
Probably wont without revolution.
elder portal
might be able to be done slowly, over time
shut vine
Which are bloody and ethically questionable at best
Yeah, via amendments you can do so over time
Here's a question for you, if there was clear evidence of election fraud that benefitted your candidate, would you want to see it investigated and fixed?
I personally would absolutely.
elder portal
the whole idea is that you're building laws on top of laws, which is fine
but the foundation of some of those is shaky at best
"amendment" screams "quick, put a bandaid on it!" to me
rather than trying to fix the underlying problems written into the constitution itself
took quite a lot and quite a long time to rip out all the slavery stuff
too lot and too long
an entire civil war, in fact
plus many years after
but the arrow of progress is rarely ever straight or forward
we march on
also, re: election fraud evidence. Absolutely, even if that meant losing
would suck to have another 4 years of Trump, but if it were entirely fair I'd accept it
then we work to fix what's broken in the current system
either way we do
but so far there's never been any concrete evidence that voter fraud has ever come even remotely close to fractions of a percent to changing any outcome of any election ever
shut vine
An amendment can technically void a section of the constitution.
elder portal
so I'd be skeptical more of who's counting
or what tactics would be used
it can, but the only time we came close to that it required hundreds of years and a civil war, and we still haven't fixed it
it's too long and too bloody
except for that one time where WW2 vets had a shootout with republicans over election fraud in one city
so uh.. Point republicans, I guess
shut vine
I would say anything that could prevent a persons legally valid vote being counted correctly is part of voting fraud personally.
So I think there are things that Trump has done, that legitimately need a closer look at.
elder portal
but that was the state doing the fraud, not individual voters
so I mean.. Points moot.
shut vine
Yeah I know, I was more wrapping them up in a neat little package.
elder portal
yeah
shut vine
Just butchering a term I guess.
I'm less concerned about the citizen, more concerned about the government.
elder portal
restricting who can vote and where and how is one of the best tactics to ensure you retain power in a democracy
slate haven
elder portal
remember slavery? Baked into the constitution? We're still having issues with the aftermath of tearing it out. That's what I mean.
shut vine
I think discrimination should be clearly defined as part of the constitution, in a way which voids all state and local legislation on the matter personally.
elder portal
did you miss the parts where I mentioned a civil war and hundreds of years of struggle, and that we're still fighting it?
elder portal
so you can reference documents from 1777 but when I mention one of the greatest battles in American history it's too old?
restive seal
Well of course, egg! Obviously.
opaque prairie
oop howd the arizona update come out
opaque prairie
or is it 9:30 pst
restive seal
AZ sec state said they will have it settled by tomorrow or friday.
elder portal
you mean racism?
because I mean racism
.-.
my point was that it took way too long and way too many lives to even amend parts of the constitution
restive seal
What does racism have to do with the constitution
I'm sure if you asked high school students, approximately 3/5 of them could point to something in it.
shut vine
How is slavery baked into the constitution? I'd like to see the specific section. This I was not aware of.
Positive claim and all
shut vine
Ah okay
elder portal
bax pointed to a bit of it, by the way - 3/5ths
both slavery and racism are baked into a good majority of it
but sec
foggy fern
So it's something from the 1700s and not relevant for this but when someone suggests getting rid of the electoral college we get linked to the federalist papers
shut vine
I think at the very least they should change the EC so all states who want to participate abide by the same rules.
Likewise if they abolish it, all states should have to abide by federal rules, not state rules.
foggy fern
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn and various amendments make it so states already lost most of their control over governing
elder portal
here's the 3/5ths compromise mentioned: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise
13th amendment, which abolished slavery: https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=false&doc=40
some history on slavery in the constitution, for easier reading: https://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/disp_textbook.cfm?smtid=2&psid=3241
shut vine
13th Amendment removes slavery from the equation.
elder portal
there's more, but there's a good start @shut vine
foggy fern
We didn't actually abolish slavery
We just added the extra step of coming up with a reason to throw them in prison first
elder portal
ehh, that's a hard sell
ah, I see where you were going with that
prison labor
majority of prison inmates being black
got it
and according to our prison system, black people commit a LOT of crimes
A LOT
A VERY LOT
shut vine
Eh.. that's not a very good argument.
drifting arch
GA gap closed another 1K
foggy fern
The drugs more popular with black people have harsher mandatory minimum sentences
shut vine
I disagree with justice being blind.
elder portal
justice is pretty racist
foggy fern
Or at least did, I don't remember everything that reform bill actually did
shut vine
I'm sure there are people convicted based on identity. But proving it is hard.
foggy fern
I think you mean a certain President-Elect but yeah
shut vine
Unless you abolish prisons too, people can continue to make that argument if black people are actually committing violent crimes at a higher rate than anyone else.
foggy fern
Could always abolish prison labor
elder portal
I mean
do you honestly think being black makes you more likely to commit crime?
because uhh
shut vine
Yeah, then you have to add funding.
restive seal
Lots of racists do, egg.
elder portal
wasn't gonna say it
shut vine
I think the best solution for the prison system in general, is remove the private prison element.
elder portal
yeah, privatizing prisons was a mistake
foggy fern
elder portal
it's a business, and businesses are designed to make money. If your money is made form inmates, you're going to do what you can to keep as many inmates as possible
shut vine
I think the privatization of the prison system is a large part of that, and discrimination is part of it too.
Discrimination in the form of lowered expectations.
foggy fern
That's why police unions and private prisons are the primary funders of campaigns against legalization
elder portal
you have much to learn
shut vine
Yeah privatization of prisons was a huge mistake.
Or they should be funded based on recidivism rate.
foggy fern
Y'all don't quote me on this. You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger". By 1968 you can't say "nigger"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this", is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger". So, any way you look at it, race is coming on the back-burner.
elder portal
@foggy fern naughty, you quoted him
shut vine
@autumn lotus I believe you're correct, however there are laws that were designed to target the black community drug usage for example.
The crack cocaine bill endorsed by Biden he even admits is the biggest mistake of his career for example.
Well, crack cocaine was predominantly used in black communities. Which was a known stat at the time.
foggy fern
People, even in the black community, were crying out for something to be done but what was done to try to solve it just made things worse
shut vine
The crime for crack cocaine vs cocaine was I think 5-10 times the penalty?
elder portal
Laws are combined to become systemic racism. Here's an example I bring up often:
It's illegal in many states from people who have ever been to prison to vote. Because of other issues with systemic racism such as the drugs things mentioned earlier, many prisons are filled with black inmates. This leads to (largely) black people not being able to vote due to this law
you are far, far more likely to be pulled over by police if you are black
shut vine
No I don't suggest that, it should be equal for crack/cocaine.
elder portal
I am going to assume you have the privilege of being a white male
my girlfriend of five years is black, she deals with shit I've never seen in my life
foggy fern
Equalizing that was, I'm pretty sure, one of the things in the justice reform bill that passed
shut vine
I also support some legalization of drugs, prohibition doesn't fix things, we learned that with alcohol.
Same applies to guns, in my view.
elder portal
these are all exmaples of laws that combine to become systemic racism
shut vine
Both drugs and guns can kill people if misused.
But prohibiting them will not remove the unlawful elements.
elder portal
another example is that black communities are values lower by landlords, and businesses and education are not attracted to low-income housing
that's not even getting into redlining
it's insane
shut vine
Amaranth, Trump actually pardoned a lot of people affected by those bills, if I recall correctly too.
elder portal
suburban neighborhoods and HOAs are peak racism
shut vine
No statistically more likely to specifically use crack cocaine.
foggy fern
Yeah, that was a Good Trump moment
foggy fern
I don't think it was more popular in general, just for black people
shut vine
Well regular cocaine was used more.
foggy fern
Rich white guys did cocaine, poor black guys did crack
shut vine
Just the black community was more likely to use crack cocaine.
elder portal
basically there's a lot of evidence that racism continues today, I don't know how anyone could actually refute that
systemic racism in a lot of cases
shut vine
Your own argument is flawed in my opinion, it should be based on the adverse affects.
But your own argument doesn't stand up to it's own scrutiny.
Adverse affects and risk to community.
That's a possible explanation. Do you think someone using crack cocaine once should get the same sentence as Man 1?
Manslaughter in the First Degree.
I'm pretty sure it was the same as Man 1 or Murder 2.
I think so too, should be rehab and charges for any crimes you committed under the influence of said drug.
I don't know how to handle recidivists.
I personally think it's irrelevant unless you were forced to take the drug.
elder portal
I don't think anyone's arguing that drugs can't be harmful or the extent of their potential harm
shut vine
Nah, no one is.
elder portal
the problem is locking up black people for BS reasons and then telling them that because they've been locked up they can't vote
and that they can't live in nice houses
shut vine
They're harmful to society, but alienating people who take them is part of the problem psychologically.
elder portal
because they're black
@small root it's for voter control
historically, African American voters vote democrat
shut vine
I think that needs to be changed slightly.
foggy fern
That definition goes out the window when you consider drug crimes
shut vine
I think rapists and murderers shouldn't get the right to vote, maybe some egregious violent crimes.
elder portal
calling them all felons and then saying felons can't vote is a good way to prevent democrat votes
shut vine
All felons gives the government too much control.
They can just decide a crime is a felony to suppress voting.
elder portal
hence why many republican states have those laws
shut vine
I'm also for the idea that a person who loses the right to vote, can obtain it again.
Maybe via military service, or some other means of public service.
elder portal
basically any limitation on voting will, by definition, exclude people from voting. The question is why, who does it affect, and who does it benefit or detriment?
shut vine
I can as well, but I think giving the government control as to who those people are, is wrong.
elder portal
who defines "responsible"?
shut vine
Correct, the people.
elder portal
and what is their affiliation?
faint radish
well... you still have to be convicted by your peers to have those rights removed. so its not he government just saying who can and who cant vote
elder portal
what people?
shut vine
Yeah MM, I agree.
elder portal
every person in the US is going to vote for each individual person to get their right to vote back?
shut vine
I still think the constitution should be amended to be more specific.
elder portal
oh, the gov't. Which part of the gov't?
and who controls that part?
@faint radish "by a jury of peers" seems to hold no weight when african americans are on trial
another bit of systemic racism
yay
foggy fern
So the politicians get to pick who their voters are?
shut vine
If Democrats control congress and executive, they could theoretically decide MAGA is a felony association.
elder portal
politicians picking voters sounds great for politicians
foggy fern
(this is also an argument against gerrymandering)
faint radish
"your peers" doesnt mean people of your race, it means fellow citizens
foggy fern
I'm not sure if I prefer the solution that draws maps to make them always as competitive as possible or as representative as possible
foggy fern
But at least they aren't arbitrary that way
shut vine
Gerrymandering is a reasonable issue, politicians abuse it. I think changing district boundaries is an important job, but they need a few more rules in place to prevent too much control.
Jury selection is a reasonably fair process
Altering that to account for race would be discriminatory.
You're likely to see that turn out badly, i.e. way less convictions of all races since you're making race a primary issue in jury selection.
Yeah, judiciary makes initial selection, and they can ask questions in order to exclude people.
I believe the judiciary process is random.
At least in most states.
foggy fern
The real problem with this part of the justice system is that public defenders have time for like 3 minutes a day with each case they're working on
shut vine
Also reasonable doubt. Judges can void a jury's finding if there is an egregious finding of guilty.
foggy fern
So the best they can do is accept whatever plea deal the prosecutor offers and get the case off their desk
The vast majority of cases never go to trial at all
If they somehow did we don't have close to enough prosecutors and judges for it either
They whole system is an optimized pipeline to get people from handcuffs to prison as quickly as possible
Unless you have the money to defend yourself
shut vine
Yeah Harris was an insane pick for the DNC... I don't know what they were thinking.
If they picked two decent candidates, this would be so much easier for them.
AZ will update again at 1AM east
opaque prairie
guess i am staying up
shut vine
Or I should say that's what the bureaucrats have said.
That's in Maricopa county, currently that county has 890K blue, 800K red.
brisk cradle
Hmm. Georgia is looking closer and closer like a small Trump or Biden victory.
shut vine
Yeah that's down to the wire
brisk cradle
If Biden wins GA then it's all over, he has the race in the bag.
brisk cradle
Adding GA to the current AP/Edison count means 269 electoral votes. Technically Biden would need to get at least one more EV but he's probably going to win Nevada and it looks like he'll win PA too.
Well, and I already said Biden will win AZ.
So my map all boils down to Georgia, where I favored Trump
I would love to be proven wrong and see Biden win here.
shut vine
Yeah, he probably will, though AZ is slightly possible to be Trump
They will probably get about 50% of the remaining votes if the current progress holds.
brisk cradle
Your friendly reminder that the lockdowns were instituted under the Trump administration.
brisk cradle
You seem to forget that small important detail
Though with a Biden administration I don't expect a return to lockdowns.
violet lion
what other things can we put the blame on trump administration? as an outsider, I'm just wondering
foggy fern
oak cloak
PA gap down to 2.7
brisk cradle
By the end of Biden's first year, he'll have a coronavirus vaccine and the administration will be pushing everyone to get it.
violet lion
By the end of Biden's first year, he'll have a coronavirus vaccine and the administration will be pushing everyone to get it.
what about all the antivaxxers?
opaque prairie
goddamn GA is close
shut vine
PA gap hasn't changed in like over an hour
brisk cradle
Afterwards, we'll go back to "normal" - well, not really "normal" as much as it will be a new "normal"
oak cloak
Sorry GA is 0.6
shut vine
A lot of trials suggest we'll have the vaccine sooner.
From around the world, not USA.
opaque prairie
trials suggest we will get a therapeutic before a vaccine
which is debatably more important in my opinion
shut vine
Yeah it is 100%
brisk cradle
okay I have a really dumb college assignment due tonight
violet lion
We'll just let them die from COVID-19.
ouch, although that's probably for the best haha
opaque prairie
hey same tux
shut vine
Even if we had a vaccine today, experts estimate it'd take America about 12-18 months to vaccinate everyone.
opaque prairie
yeah, hence the therapeutic being better. it will keep already sick people from dying
granted, its not sustainable
the vaccine will be needed
brisk cradle
Even then we won't have data on how effective it is. It is likely that we may end up with "flu and COVID-19 season" and that we will have to get a vaccine every year.
shut vine
Trump should have really just closed the borders to everyone other than nationals the second he decided to close to China.
foggy fern
And the vaccine is probably only going to be 50-70% effective but we need like 80% so we'll still have to spend some time doing distancing and masks to push the virus completely into extinction
shut vine
That to me was his biggest mistake.
foggy fern
The China thing would have worked better if he required them to quarantine on return
shut vine
Yeah, all nationals should have had to quarantine on return.
foggy fern
Instead of just letting them all come back and go about their lives while only quarantining the government workers and then violating that quarantine for a photo op and causing the first community spread in California
oak cloak
Fun fact: with sufficient testing infrastructure you can completely defeat the pandemic without any masks or social distancing (except for quarantining those who test positive)
And considering the resources the US government has at it's disposal the argument that we couldn't produce enough tests needed is simply ludicrous
brisk cradle
We decided it's too costly to deal with coronavirus properly and just said YOLO.
shut vine
There are plenty of officials who played by different rules, not sure I know the specific one you're talking about though.
oak cloak
But the government simply decided not to because it was "hard", the GOP's favorite excuse for fucking anything
foggy fern
They sent the administrators of the ICE child cages to visit the workers in quarantine, didn't teach them how to wear the proper PPE for the visit, and didn't provide the right PPE anyway
brisk cradle
Plus the outbreak first appeared in blue states so the GOP hoped the pandemic would affect only blue states and leave their base alone.
foggy fern
Those people then stayed in hotels in a town near the base and we started getting new cases in that town
brisk cradle
Unfortunately, and to twist Ben Shapiro's words here, the virus did not care about the GOP's feelings.
opaque prairie
meanwhile, blue states are the ones that have it the most contained now
foggy fern
I guess they felt like they needed to send someone and those guys had the least going on? No idea why they were chosen
shut vine
USA is actually one of the highest tests per capita of any country over the course of the pandemic. Think there are many 10 countries who did more?
foggy fern
Tests that take more than 48 hours are worthless
tough cedar
mostly contained
looks at daily infection rate
brisk cradle
So when you had places like Georgia and Florida get the virus and get it hard, the White House knew they'd fucked up, but it was too late.
foggy fern
We spent all that time and money to accomplish nothing other than making a number go up
shut vine
I mean could they do more testing? Yeah for certain. Question is how much difference it'd make.
tough cedar
o man we actually went over 100k today
opaque prairie
mostly contained
yeah true, they arent perfect, i can tell you from atleast NY is getting pretty good at nailing hot spots
tough cedar
108,389
foggy fern
We're doing a lot of testing but we're bad at it so it takes a week or two to get results in some places
In a lot of places, really
shut vine
How the hell isn't NY's sending infected people to aged care facilities not a bigger thing btw?
brisk cradle
I still remember vividly back in May when Georgia intentionally fudged numbers to make it look like it was safe to reopen by sorting the case totals in descending order rather than in chronological order.
foggy fern
No one had any idea what they were doing and it got lost in all the other drama
foggy fern
Was obviously a dumb call in retrospect but yeah, I think a big problem was they didn't know what to do with them
opaque prairie
and the fact that aged care facilities are paid based on people living in them, on a per day basis
shut vine
I think multiple states did it from memory too.
shut vine
Just NY was like 10,000 infected sent there, was by far the largest if I remember correctly.
But it only got like 3 seconds air time.
opaque prairie
i dont exactly remember the numbers
and it was a fuck up yeah
but there werent a ton of options, and the state was scrambling
shut vine
Yeah, pretty sure all levels of government could have done some things better.
opaque prairie
agreed. Ny got its shit under controll pretty well tho
i am happy to be living here vs most places rn
foggy fern
It was competing for air time with NYC filling up freezer trucks with bodies, hospitals having no PPE and no beds, etc
foggy fern
And a lot of confusion about how the virus could/couldn't spread
opaque prairie
i mean NYC is the largest city by no small amount, so was to be expected
foggy fern
Really? Those are things that happened
brisk cradle
Arguably the US is in its ever-continuing second wave of the coronavirus. The first wave levelled off in May but May was also when lockdowns were getting eased, which set the stage for the July and August COVID-19 spikes in the South. Now we're in November and COVID Is only getting worse everywhere.
opaque prairie
i would say upper east coast is spiking but nearly as bad as most places
foggy fern
We never went down from the first wave, we leveled it off at ~50k new cases a day and decided that was just fine
shut vine
Yeah see, the PPE thing comes up again.. that's why Fauci claims he told Trump to not push masks too much
I don't know if I believe that specifically, but, there is a lot to suggest it's plausible
brisk cradle
I myself had to self-isolate for 2 weeks due to potential COVID-19 exposure (thankfully it was only a scare) but it was still scary
opaque prairie
idk as a college student they test a huge amount of us each week, we know in a couple days, and and get quarantined if its positive
foggy fern
I'm quarantining right now
shut vine
With where I work, I have had to be tested 3 times and self quarantine each of those 3 times.
Not had it yet, knock on wood.
opaque prairie
NY is to the point where they are able to pin specific gatherings for local spikes
which is currently better than most of the country
foggy fern
Was exposed to someone two days before they tested positive and the day before they tested positive
shut vine
So here, if you get tested for ANY reason, you're meant to isolate until you know the results.
brisk cradle
Oh well. We're also the country that's also collectively decided that gunmen shooting up kids at local schools is perfectly acceptable.
foggy fern
You're supposed to but a lot of employers aren't giving time off unless you've tested positive
brisk cradle
Columbine. Virginia Tech. Sandy Hook. Parkland.
foggy fern
It's all just dumb
brisk cradle
This makes me think the US is a failed state and everyone's collectively decided that nothing matters anymore.
In that sense, might as well elect wackjobs like Marjorie Taylor Greene.
shut vine
The system is pretty broken in this specific instance.
foggy fern
shut vine
The states have a lot more power to do effectual change than executive, other than closing borders, but executive could have said things differently.
foggy fern
States are closing their borders anyway
brisk cradle
I mean, damn, I'd hate to be wrong about Georgia, but I can't believe it's possible it's going to Biden.
foggy fern
They either don't let you in or force you in to quarantine if you're from a state doing worse than them
shut vine
The idea that executive literally didn't do anything is factually incorrect, but they could have done more arguably.. Congress could have done more too.
brisk cradle
I have a family Thanksgiving celebration in Florida. Both Florida and Georgia are not doing great with COVID-19 right now and I think the situation will get worse over Thanksgiving.
brisk cradle
I think it's possible parts of the US will be forced into another lockdown in December or January if it gets as bad as some of the dire projections say.
drifting arch
GA gap fell another 5k
restive seal
source?
drifting arch
just looking at AP reporting, subtracted bidens votes from trumps votes and the gap is 31306. was 36880 earlier
i dont have timestamps unfortunately
nor raw data
foggy fern
One of these sites had a graph dang it
brisk cradle
Here
shut vine
drifting arch
GA gap closed another 2.9k
shut vine
These are huge mistakes to make in the "most important election of our time".
drifting arch
which is that responding to
shut vine
The error with Decision Desk HQ and AP
drifting arch
ah yea, who ever heard of cross referencing
shut vine
Well when I looked at NYT at that time last night, them and AP had the same numbers I'm pretty sure
plush crypt
Realistically Biden only has a chance in NV, ye?
shut vine
What do you mean?
plush crypt
well North-Carolina has counted 100% of votes and is leading Trump, same for Georgia (99% doe), while PA is just leading for Trump at 90%
shut vine
I think North Carolina and Alaska will go red, AZ will go blue, PA, GA, NE are going to be close.
Oh I didn't see that latest update
plush crypt
oh alaska exists lol
shut vine
Yeah they're like 56% done, 2/3 for trump so far
plush crypt
at 56% theres nothing that stops them going biden still though; doubt it but its still only half the votes
shut vine
North Carolina also accepts ballots up until the 12th as long as postmark is before election day.
Oh yeah of course
plush crypt
funky laws lol
shut vine
That one will be challenged I expect, regardless of who wins probably
plush crypt
Bet Trump will try to stop counting there too once all as of now has been counted? :p
shut vine
Just have to let the legal process happen if it is
oak cloak
NV is currently the best bet for Biden bit it's a toss up and we know little to nothing about which way it'll go until tomorrow
Nevada desperately trying to stay relevant not releasing their counts lol
shut vine
Yeah why are they so slow at counting exactly?
plush crypt
its tomorrow today 🎉
sand shale
oh alaska exists lol
@plush crypt https://i.imgur.com/Fvoqtxj.png
elder portal
oh, yeah, Alaska exists
doesn't matter, unfortunately
occasionally I forget they're there
pretty quiet state
shut vine
Not with the current numbers no
elder portal
unfortunately? Fortunately? Depends on your viewpoint I guess
was thinking "unfortunately for them"
shut vine
I think there is a situation where if it goes to Biden it could be 269 to 269
elder portal
would be funny to see alaska go blue
I don't think that's super common
iirc Aslaska is and always has been very safe red
but I might be wrong
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oak cloak
In the latest count of votes in AZ trump got the percentage he needed to stay in the race
shut vine
Looks like Republicans will have a 10+ net gain in the House and ~1 net loss in the Senate
elder portal
@oak cloak huh?
sauce?
I mean, it was always possible that AZ would go from "confirmed blue" to "confirmed red" but I figured it was unlikely
AP isn't prone to mistakes
drifting arch
it's not confirmed, it's just getting close. but there are more votes to count
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righty
I'll still rely on the AP here and say it's likely going to be blue
but hey, ya never know
drifting arch
yeah i mean, i think biden is going to take AZ. ima sleep and wake up hopefully not to red hell
elder portal
that's my same fear