No that's not what I said at all
#politics
white wing
shy gulch
they are getting paid less and called in more AND worked to death\
white wing
what the heck is going on?
shut vine
I guess I misunderstood you then.
shut vine
Thought you thought the fact that there was invalid reported numbers that it was a concerning factor for you.
shy gulch
Just trying to make the point that nothing is being taked incorrectly we are reviewing WHAT YOU HAVE SAID.
I listed colorado because it's a good example of number changing.
@white wing
white wing
No I brought that up as an example of the numbers not being accurate. It just so happens that example lowers numbers.
shy gulch
I understand this
topaz gorge
You take one thing which is true- there are inconsistencies in the way the deaths are reported, and using that as evidence that we can’t draw any conclusions about how covid is being handled
white wing
There are probably example of the number changing up too but that's not he example I chose since that's the example I had on hand.
shy gulch
but claiming the numbers are highly inaccurate is downplaying intentional or not
shut vine
Inaccuracy in this area is generally problematic. Either way the inaccuracy occurs. Regardless of why it happens.
topaz gorge
The problem isn’t the first point, it’s the second
white wing
No it's not downplaying it's being realistic.
shut vine
It will greatly affect our future.
shy gulch
Being realistic is not assuming even 1/100 of covid deaths are from people dyign from brain trauma whilst having covid.
white wing
If I where to take the death rate and I had to chose lower or higher numbers I would go by the higher numbers to be safe.
topaz gorge
We are saying we accept your premise that the numbers are by definition inaccurate. But not that they are inaccurate enough to mean we can’t make any conclusions about what was done badly
shy gulch
^
white wing
I listed being trauma as one example though I don't know why you're so fixated on that one example.
shy gulch
If they are exaggerated its not over 1000
At least thats what I believe
HIGHLY
believe
topaz gorge
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
white wing
why are you talking about this in quantity not percentage?
topaz gorge
In terms of percentage or quantity my answer would be the same
white wing
If they are exaggerated it's not over 1% of the numbers. Wouldn't that make more sense?
topaz gorge
Sure, but what conclusion can we make if the number is 100% that we can’t make if if it is 90% or 110%?
shy gulch
If they are exaggerated it's not over 1% of the numbers. Wouldn't that make more sense?
@white wing Yes. Lets go with that right.
Point still stands
topaz gorge
At what threshold are we allowed to start thinking about it
shy gulch
I thought straight numbers would confuse others less.
white wing
If the number in colorado indicate what's happening everywhere else then the difference would be at least 12.5 percent.
shut vine
I'd probably say.. if the statistics can be proven to be at least 1% inaccurate, there is cause for concern about them as a whole.
shy gulch
If we hit 1000000 deaths I still wouldnt think over 1000 are exaggerated percentages aside
white wing
the numbers in colorado being over 1k cases to about 875.
shut vine
Proving 1% inaccuracy would be hard unless something is really wrong.
white wing
yeah but in this case it's 12.5 percent at best.
shy gulch
the numbers in colorado being over 1k cases to about 875.
@white wing This is why I asked how is colorado defining deaths
Colorados state government is garbage and has been deniers since the start.
white wing
why does that matter if I'm listing an example that shows a major change in numbers?
topaz gorge
You’re jumping to conclusions. There’s no evidence that the number in Colorado represents any kind of nationwide trend
shut vine
That's another area of concern, I think there should be a uniform approach.
To counting a death.
white wing
No it doesn't I'm showing an example of policies that change the number of people dead.
shy gulch
If you are gonna start a debate on if the numbers are heavily exaggerated or not we must come to a understanding of what a covid death is and then your example must meet that requirement.
@white wing
topaz gorge
The fact that we didn’t have a uniform approach, or a system in place is an example of the failure of our response planning
white wing
why are you @ing me?
shy gulch
I need you to understand.
white wing
I am reading everything you're writing
shy gulch
You dont seem to get it since we have gone over this multiple times.
topaz gorge
And I can draw that conclusion without being illogical
white wing
Yeah and I need you to understand the point I'm trying to make because it's going over your head
shy gulch
Dont get offended. I have nothing against you and like debating shit I just dont believe the deaths are heavily exaggerated.
Not something to get personal about
Ive understood what you have been saying since the start
white wing
I'm not I'm just confused to why you're @ing me if I'm already reading everything.
shut vine
I can agree that the uniform classification is a failure. That seems like a thing that should have been planned for well in advance. No specific administration bears that more than another. We should have known to do this due to the Spanish Flu or SARS-CoV-1.
shy gulch
You want me to apologize for pining you?
shut vine
On face value it may not seem important, but I think it is for allocation of resources.
white wing
No just stop doing it
shy gulch
Did it hurt your feelings or some shit?
shy gulch
I just wanted to be 100% clear that I was talking about you
in the statement I made
You have pinged me within the past hour whilst I was reading your messages and I couldnt care less
white wing
Yeah I've been reading them and been responding to them but I guess I didn't meet your standards for a response?
shy gulch
ofc then we were on the same page
shut vine
I think in the PaperMC discord they discourage it, I don't know specifically though.
topaz gorge
James the pandemic response group had its staff cut and ineffectively absorbed by the Trump administration.
white wing
Most people discourage pings on discord
shut vine
I generally don't mention people I'm actively discussing something with unless I think they missed it. Anyway, I digress.
shy gulch
@shy gulch Colorado changed their policy regarding how they classified COVID deaths and their number dropped from over 1k to 870 ish.
@white wing
@shy gulch the reason why I say that is because colorado enacted a law that dropped COVID number by a large margin from what I heard. I could try and find a source.
@white wing
topaz gorge
So they do bear responsibility for some of our lack of preparedness
shy gulch
@shy gulch if someone was in a car crash and died due to head trauma in the past if they also had COVID they would be labeled as COVID death.
@white wing
@shy gulch I mentioned a lot of variables there not just msot tested.
@white wing
yep I agree @shy gulch
@white wing
shy gulch
I just assumed pinging you was not some big deal assuming you have done it to me multiple times
-_-
shut vine
I think he's highlighting you did it when you quoted him.
topaz gorge
He was quoting you @ing him
shy gulch
^^
white wing
well yeah but I didn't do that over the course of 5 minutes
shut vine
Tu quoque.
white wing
you litterally @ me in every response when I called you out for it
white wing
I legit just asked you to stop @ing me but okay..
didn't want it to turn into an @ debate.
shy gulch
@shy gulch Colorado changed their policy regarding how they classified COVID deaths and their number dropped from over 1k to 870 ish. -seki
@shy gulch the reason why I say that is because colorado enacted a law that dropped COVID number by a large margin from what I heard. I could try and find a source. -seki
@shy gulch if someone was in a car crash and died due to head trauma in the past if they also had COVID they would be labeled as COVID death. -seki
white wing
yeah and you didn't ask me to stop @ing you if you did I would have stopped...
shy gulch
@shy gulch I mentioned a lot of variables there not just msot tested.
-seki
Well your whole thing about it was how I pinged you whislt you were in the discussion
I just did not think twice about it considering you have done it to me maybe 8 times now
You get me?
Its stupid.
Does not matter.
white wing
right and if you look into the context of those messages you might find that I @ you if the conversation switched to another topic.
You did it right after I responded to you.
Then I asked you to stop and you made a big deal about it.
shy gulch
Yeah and I need you to understand the point I'm trying to make because it's going over your head
@white wing Well I felt like you were throwing a blow at me after this (sorry for ping :p)
white wing
No that just happens all the time in conversations
shy gulch
Listen man I dont care anymore. You asked why I pinged and I said I needed you to know it was fully directed at you in which you claimed what you were saying was going over my head.
white wing
Yes it was I stated my point 3 times before some people understood it and you didn't at that point in time I knew my point went over your head.
shy gulch
Im telling you it did not go over my head
and I guess this is why I took it personally
It does not matter tho
white wing
Okay so what did I mean to say then?
white wing
ah but that means the debate wasn't finished
But yeah good debate agreed on some thing and didn't understand what the other was saying in other parts.
faint radish
Ahhh, the always interesting politics of discord pings.... 🙂
near glen
Let's have a fun topic
Gerry mandering or why the US election system is not democratic
(click for quoted tweet with img)
pure jetty
yeah its a problem
clever badge
will gerry ever be stopped
meager ice
Its rome all over again
mystic ermine
drifting arch
I mean, ok. I blocked like 45 people on FB yesterday, was only friends through parents or other family.
These people legitimately told me that COVID is a plot against Trump to remove him from office and that it will go away in November. When I told them this is a worldwide pandemic, they simply replied with "but the other countries don't have political elections right now".
They legitimately fucking believe this.
Also, related but different:
Was also told that needing to wear masks is a violation of rights. I asked what rights, and he told me not being able to go to a restaurant or the Dodger's game.
bleak echo
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
crisp anvil
maybe covid will cleanse us from the stupid
shut vine
I don't know if blocking them will help anything. Though it's not really your job to, think everyone who's willing to discuss their opinions in a calm way helps actual progress.
drifting arch
It won't. I just can't handle it.
drifting arch
The only thing that will make them change is to have a family member die.
Plain and simple.
shut vine
One of my distant cousins was encouraging people to block people based on their side of politics on Facebook.
I find that to be rather unwise.
drifting arch
First pic:
purple = crazy
green = me
Second pic:
Orange = me
Blue = friend
Green = crazy
There, now you know I'm not making it up.
shut vine
I don't think you were, had no reason to doubt you.
shut vine
There are plenty of crazy people with opinions on each side of this topic.
restive seal
There are a remarkable number of people who are incapable of thinking and will listen to whatever some talking head tells them no matter how illogical.
drifting arch
Oh, this was OP he replied to btw, written by me:
New Zealand had 0 COVID cases for over 100 days because they completely locked down.
They just reported four cases and immediately locked down.
They did not do a PR stunt, they did not spend time investigating before doing so, they did not waste time.
They immediately locked down.
Now watch as NZ becomes the country to beat COVID twice pre-vaccine.
crisp anvil
facebook is reduced to karens spreading antivax or anticovid news
shut vine
Twitter and Facebook are a problem in that regard yes.
drifting arch
I don't either. I had to block them. Could not mentally process what was happening
shut vine
I don't like that either one is getting involved in the election process honestly.
crisp anvil
facebook is a threat
drifting arch
Yeah, these are the same people who believe in the deep state and QAnon btw.
Same guy spouts that out
crisp anvil
thats where all the misinformation is located rn
shut vine
Well not all of it, news has a part too.
MSM?
oh yeah figured it out a moment after asking
We're living in the misinformation age.
Being skeptical of everything especially when it doesn't have context is a pretty wise thing to do.
I realize skepticism has a bad reputation for various reasons. There is a healthy level to have, though.
Yeah confirmation bias.
Which is why it's good to view media from all aisles of the political landscape.
Also be skeptical of your own beliefs.
drifting arch
I am yeah, but how skeptical? Should I actually be considering their arguments about the deep state and QAnon existing solely to go against Trump?
Because, if so, my answer is no.
shut vine
What's QAnon?
drifting arch
QAnon is some random anonymous account that posted on a chan and claimed to be a high ranking govt official going against Trump and declared multiple secret deep state projects to that effect.
I personally think it's bullshit, but it's evolved into a cult.
crisp anvil
and there are too many people that believe "if its on the internet it must be true"
drifting arch
It is being looked into, by the FBI.
Citizens don't need to look into it.
The more you read about it, the more unreal it gets.
I was sent 5 hours of conspiracy theory youtube videos.
shut vine
Well, have you seen the investigations the SJC is doing into the whole mess the FBI is in right now?
shut vine
Well that seems shady.
drifting arch
And they don't even know who their leader is because they're anon. Find OP and copy their writing tone??? Boom. You can successfully fool millions of people.
I'm sure at this point, OP is long gone. New QAnon posts are different people.
shut vine
I don't give much credibility to 4chan stuff in general.
drifting arch
Also, I'm sure the secret service is investigating it in their own right
crisp anvil
looks like facebook woke up today
drifting arch
?
shut vine
Though members of government agencies conspiring against Trump seems like it has a element of truth to it. As to what level I'm not sure.
crisp anvil
they removed 7 million posts spreading misinformation about covid
shut vine
Pre-election mostly.
drifting arch
They didn't wake up, they just don't want any public backlash.
I cannot express to you how much Facebook does not care about you in any way.
drifting arch
They love your data.
crisp anvil
and shaping the truth
drifting arch
You, though? No
I've only got it for family, and the people that family mandate I add. That second part though, is no longer. I am not fucking listening to more people who don't use their brains. I love my parents to death but they didn't go to college and neither did any of their friend group. These are the people who list "School of hard knocks" on their education history.
They are so beyond stupid, it's mindblowing.
shut vine
That's a real possibility eLe. Even if they are not now maybe in the future. Though they are a company free to operate as they wish.
Free speech does not apply.
drifting arch
Fun people to drink with, but that's...literally it.
That's the only time they're fun.
Any other time, they're mindblowingly stupid.
</rant>
shut vine
Free speech laws only prevent the government from taking legal action against your opinions really.
drifting arch
fuck your standards :(
shut vine
You can still be sued for representing an opinion as a fact under libel laws for example.
crisp anvil
yeah im not really into all the laws
and i agree with barty
facebook is cancer these days
shut vine
People should just leave it.
Personally think we don't need to go all China on them.
Though I'd agree with removing protections from being sued if they plan to moderate the content.
So platforms that decide to moderate, can be exposed to libel for their uses posts.. make it so the only way to get something removed is via a legal process.
Or they face that scrutiny.
Actually, in USA that's not the case.
shy gulch
hi dudes and non dudes
shut vine
Unless the post goes through a formal editorial process like in news companies.
There was a huge precedent setting case back in the 90s I think.
It basically means platforms which allow users to post are not directly responsible for the posts made by those users.
Hey
A website that is owned by a company that doesn't have that practice is responsible. i.e. if an employee posts something because they're angry at the company.
brisk cradle
Enjoy some of the fruits of my doomscrolling labor. You get to pick which one of these is the most awful.
Twitter
Twitter
Twitter
Enough of that, now let's talk about the president again! https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1293584655481020417
FYI: The stock market rising doesn't mean people still don't get hungry.
Oh, sorry, I needed to add another doomscroll tweet. https://twitter.com/KeithRHernandez/status/1293581036769730563
GoFundMe to buy masks
#MakeCoronavirusGreatAgain
faint radish
idk what "in the past week I had 'sometimes not enough food to eat'" really means...
that could encompass a MASSIVE range of people
from people who had too little food so it poses a health risk for them, to people who didn't have enough flour to make cookies last friday.
or didn't have the food they preferred, or a whole bunch of other stuff
and what's the whole argument against Crowder? speech people disagree with isn't automatically "hate"
brisk cradle
faint radish
sad to see.
thing is, I have no idea who this person is. I have no idea what choices this person made in life. Some people get dealt a crappy hand, or have medical conditions that are extraordinary and I'm more than willing to have there be assistance for those people.
but what if this person always bought a new smartphone every year, or went out to eat 3 times a week earlier in life. I have no idea which kind of person this is. Simply because someone is in a horrible situation that I don't wish upon anyone, doesn't mean that person automatically deserves some of my money.
brisk cradle
Something tells me you don't know what the definition of "did not get enough to eat" or even care about people.
weary obsidian
https://twitter.com/THEHermanCain/status/1293642931610427392 Man, using a dead mans twitter account is pretty yikes
brisk cradle
I'd imagine a lot of people with only $26 dollars in their bank account with a medical emergency, or someone who'll be homeless in 4 days would probably like to set you straight.
@weary obsidian pretty sure the account was always linked up to a bot and I'm 1000% certain the Herman Cain site is a content farm ala BuzzFeed
Plus, the GOP audience probably doesn't care, because HURR DURR HE'LL OWN THE LIBERALS FROM BEYOND HIS GRAVE HAHAHAHA
shut vine
I mean, Biden is pretty good at racial gaffes / racially curious statements.
He was also involved in the legislation that was harsher on crack users compared to cocaine if memory serves.
He also went her over her policies did not pass constitutional muster, which she laughed at then said something along the lines of "instead of saying no we can't, let's just say yes we can".
So there is hardly a lack of material for them to work off.
faint radish
I literally said I do not know what type of person that is. They are gonna set me straight how... by correcting me? I don't know them, how is that wrong?
weary obsidian
@faint radish poor people dont buy 400-1000$ phones. they may get a new phone yes, but its those "free with your plan" or 50-100$ ones for Boost mobile. And those cheap ass phones prob do need to be replaced yearly. And in this age, having a phone is one of the most important life necessities, so no, thats not their issue.
And who fucking cares if they went out to eat 3 times a week earlier in life? Should everyone live on bare means "just incase i have something happen to me financially later" ?
Additionally, things like you describe are huge on mental health to a person who lives at the bottom. If you tell them they cant have a smart phone, cant have good food, and have to live poor, many will just commit suicide.
So yeah, your argument is bullshit.
faint radish
I don’t KNOW that. How can you tell me that you know that person didn’t make good financial/life decisions?
Not eating out 3 times a week is far from living on “bare means”.... it’s probably better for you not to eat out from a health perspective.
It’s not about the 2 examples I mentioned (phone and eating out), I’m talking about, in general, making bad decisions that may have, in part, contributed to their current situation.
bleak echo
going out to eat 3 times a week could just mean you don't have time to make lunch for work
faint radish
Again, you are focusing on the 1 example. That obviously doesn’t apply to everyone
It’s about choices, and whether or not their own ones are part of what led them to where they are .
I’ve already said that there should 100% should be help for people who need it. But sometimes, and id say most of the time, people are responsible for their own choices. (Not talking about that one reddit post, talking about overall, no clue where that guy falls)
restive seal
I’ve already said that there should 100% should be help for people who need it. But sometimes, and id say most of the time, people are responsible for their own choices.
You are using smartphone-obsession or going out to eat three times a week as strawman arguments against welfare. Welfare fraud happens at low rates but your message I quoted above appears to be implying something different or at a minimum are expressing extreme distrust for a majority of people in very unfortunate situations. What lead you to this distrustful position?
bleak echo
ah yes @small root the trumpism free trial
restive seal
"He offered me money, I'll vote for him"
weary obsidian
people vote in their own self interest sadly
not the greater good
yes but that requires the mto think larger scale
hand someone 1k$ to vote for you w/o knowing anything about you and many will take it
i question how employers will handle it, adjust withholding now, then withhold more at end of year, or will tax time come and "hey you owe us more"
for people in poverty it likely wont make them owe since most have their withholdings messed up and then get all happy with their fat check refunds. itll just lower the refund.
oh man, trump said "this deferral will put about $1200 in the average americans pockets", guess what happens if you owe 1200$ in taxes when taxes are due...... Estimated Tax Payments
could you imagine millions of people whos never dealt with 1040ES now being subject to it
EFTPS gonna crash lol
bleak echo
how else would the tax prep companies make money?
weary obsidian
@small root well full automatic gets hard for small businesses. like many of these mc servers, not able to do witholding for everyone they pay.
and many dont realize that if you pay a US company thats an LLC, your suppose to 1099 them too.
bleak echo
well, unfortunately you're in america
weary obsidian
taxes for consumers are already pretty simple, its businesses thats the iffy part. simplifying it though hurts you in savings
the complexity comes with the tax code letting you deduct more things
if you simply dont check for those deductions, its not as complicated
and barty the scary part is, you should have already been doing that work to pay taxes, "pay taxes" is a question of does the finance work say your income - eligible expenses > 0 and have you paid that much addditional tax. and if it was less, it would have deducted your taxes and gave you a larger refund
thats what your suppose to do, what do you mean penalties?
as a single member LLC, you still file business taxes w/ personal
you incorporated?
then your not required to report that
you dont "report earnings", you pay quarterly estimated taxes but that kicks in the year AFTER you owed > 1k
and you pay a penalty if you dont pay enough tax
you are in us right?
so yeah youll sign up for EFTPS, you go in there, say "im paying 1040ES for 2021 tax year", and just give them money
as long as your total Estimated taxes paid is either 90% of taxes due, or 100% of LAST YEARS taxes owed, or some third category, you wont be penalized
so say you owed 2k in taxes this year, but next year you owe 4k, if you at least pay the same estimated tax on that 2k, you wont be penalized, but youll still owe that additional 2k lol
I used an accountant at first, but lot of research
once you realize what they do.... doing it self isnt hard, just time consuming
yes but heres the kicker
them just building the report still requires you to do a ton of data prep 😛
and if you get THEM to do that work, thats where it gets expensive
you have to go over every single expense youve made for your server and categorize it, so it can be added to the schedule C about what categories your expenses break down to
thats the time consuming part
advertising, office, legal, travel, leasing, that kind of stuff
you can make up categories too, just there are some official ones
try to align it with an official one best as possible
basically if you go saying im an internet business but is spent soooo much in travel, that can increase audit risk. they look for oddities "businesses of this nature typically spend this % on this category"
fees, refunds, software licenses
yes
and the chargebacks too
well your income report says you received 20$, but you didnt actually pocket 20$, you paid an expense to paypal
it would be the same as reporting the "net" income instead, however paypal 1099k doesnt report as net, it reports as gross
yeah ihave spread sheets where ibreak down gross income, column for fees, to calculate net, then i make sure all my numbers line up exactly w/ paypals 1099K
its always fun when you mistype and end up with a missing penny -_-
so have you just calculated your servers operating income as a net loss each year and just never bothered with the tax forms for it?
and now itll be a profit?
or is this your first year of a server
i dunno how long youve been running one lol
I hope that was < 600 little 😛
note paypals limit for when they send form vs when you owe dont align lol
600 in a year is threshhold for having to pay taxes (but im not sure if thats gross vs net without looking it up), but paypals form is like 20k gross
unless that changed
ah right that too
restive seal
Ah, the transaction count will probably be what gets you barty.
Obvious solution, start only catering to whales on your server.
Start only getting payments of 500 dollars or more. There will be fewer of them so you won't hit the paypal limit! 😄
weary obsidian
id much rather have the form lol
it gives you peace of mind your numbers line up correctly
w/o it, your gonna still have to pay it, but youll just be giving the IRS more money than they have documents on
btw here is schedule C to get an idea of the default expense categories: https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040sc.pdf
restive seal
I'm trying out quickbooks cheapest self employed thing, which is ... eh. I think once things get a bit less virusy I'm going to talk to an accountant and sort things out better.
weary obsidian
pay them 1200$ or spend 12 hours doing it yourself lol.
bleak echo
imagine getting $100 an hour
weary obsidian
for an accountant to mange your books all year, thats about what youll pay
getting/keeping data in format ready for taxes, then add on cost of doing taxes too
so near 1500~
unless you just give them every piece of data you have at end of year and then explain every detail of your expenses so they know HOW to categorize it, then maybe cheaper
the data collection is honestly the hardest part
most of time spent filing taxes in turbo tax is just cross referencing, data input, verifcation.
id say a good 70% of my time doing taxes is prep, then 30% doing the input.
id estimate I spent 12-14~ hours on it this year.
though i guess i cant account how much of it was interruptions to do other stuff
so maybe a bit less
8-10?
turbo tax does all that
id def recommend using it if doing it yourself
it asks you all the human questions
self employed edition
goes over everything a business might do
the one thing thats flawed in their damn system is asking you about Estimated Tax payments though
I had trouble finding where to input what ive already paid, had to search to find it
but other than that, its pretty straight forward
the only thing different is that schedule C I linked you
the SE edition just asks you the additional questions to fill that form out
about income from business, expenses, categories
thats what i do. if you feel comfortable your data is right, and it comes out with a reasonable taxes owed... and you can review the return before submitting
just read over the numbers. all the numbers should line up with your expectations
the standard 1040 form is all about your W2 income and stuff outside your business, so if your working outside of your MC server, that part stays same. the Schedule C will represent your business specific details
yeah, i scheduled all of them on the due dates. the Tax Return will help you calculate what you should pay at each ES quarter.
well turbo tax will
white wing
poor people dont buy 400-1000$ phones. they may get a new phone yes, but its those "free with your plan" or 50-100$ ones for Boost mobile. And those cheap ass phones prob do need to be replaced yearly. And in this age, having a phone is one of the most important life necessities, so no, thats not their issue.
I know a few people who use 50-100$ phones and they've been using it for a few years. They don't really use it as a smart phone either, just for text and phone no social media.
weary obsidian
also Turbo Tax is def recommended to make sure you comply with any local and state compliances too
@white wing yeah they can last, but its not unheard for them to not last lol
do you normally just file your own taxes before?
white wing
Yes but holy shit one of these guys that I know always drops their phone. I have no idea how his phone still works.
weary obsidian
ok good, so itll be an easy transition, itll still import all previous stuff, and now just adds handling schedule C for you
white wing
Also had a weird issue where his OS installed twice so he doesn't have storage space.
mystic ermine
In the past, I just used to go for refurb/used, mainly because broke af; Those phones would often last like a year or two before they developed some weird fault, like my S4 which couldn't connect to wifi unless the back casing was off, apparently a known issue with a capacitor on the board or something, or the time my motorola atrix developed a screen fault \o/
weary obsidian
or cheap batteries, nexus 6p was a high dollar phone and it had battery flaws
dies with age
mystic ermine
Yea, batteries in general are bleh, especially now that they're all making replacing them yourself such a ballache
weary obsidian
yeah to replace my6p battery i had to use a blow dryer to heat up the glue to remove the camera glass panel and anothr panel, then pry the case apart which wasnt ever intended to come apart
white wing
well the phone he uses is an LG k4
My other friend also has a LG but I never asked him about the model number.
weary obsidian
long as you report all income, worse you can do is overpay lol
lethal rose
mystic ermine
what a surprise
pure jetty
That being said so is using the SAT as an admission point
shut vine
That's a common practice.
This is what some refer to as the soft bigoty of low expectations.
It also disadvantages those who see short term benefits, since businesses know this practice is done.
sand shale
wise pollen
epic
wise pollen
high pressure high volume action coming soon to a shower near you
clever badge
"So showerheads - you take a shower, the water doesn't come out. You want to wash your hands, the water doesn't come out. So what do you do? You just stand there longer or you take a shower longer? Because my hair - I don't know about you, but it has to be perfect. Perfect," he said.
glad hes focusing on important things
vast phoenix
but then again its 2020
I thought 2020 memes were usually about disasters and stuff
xd
brisk cradle
With four or five or more nozzles, "you could have 10, 15 gallons per minute powering out of the showerhead, literally probably washing you out of the bathroom," he told the Associated Press news agency.
Maybe that's what the president wants, so he can make some bullshit about water damage
vast phoenix
you are aware there is a presidential election coming up in the US
Honestly just let the Democrats win and run America to the ground if that gets us peace and quiet because good lord they won't shut up
mystic ermine
let the democrats win
vast phoenix
I can't even watch Dragon Ball Z without someone claiming that it promotes communism anymore .-.
mystic ermine
peace and quiet
vast phoenix
Hey if America is in shambles and becomes a third world country all the idiots in it won't be able to spread their bs everywhere 😉
near glen
Isn't America in shambles right now?
pure jetty
give or take
near glen
Compare it to before trump, better or worse?
pure jetty
both parties do bad shit and want to kill you
personally, i think the democrats want to kill me less
vast phoenix
Honestly everyone views Trump and the Republicans as the best president in history and I'm not sure why
but really majority of the Dems and Republicans are both equally bad
mystic ermine
for all his bad, people see him doing some of the shit he said he would
vast phoenix
voting between either is kind of pointless lel
mystic ermine
In part, trump was heavily a "fuck you" vote for many people who got fed up with the typical
vast phoenix
In part, trump was heavily a "fuck you" vote for many people who got fed up with the typical
True, never thought of that
Isn't America in shambles right now?
If they were they wouldn't have time to still continue spewing bs all over the internet lol (The crazy ones that is)
mystic ermine
RIP NYC
vast phoenix
but hey I guess I'm a sheep for not believing that the 5G towers causes the coronavirus symptoms :))
RIP NYC
Alexa play despacito
no wait
Fallen Kingdom
pure jetty
and now everyone hates Cuomo again
vast phoenix
who's that
drifting arch
what a talk man. i don't know how i just saw this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOc-SjcR6Eo
(re: #SaveOurChildren)
restive seal
majority of the Dems and Republicans are both equally bad
Really. Equally? By what metric.
I was hopeful they're just uneducated.
balmy quartz
The Republican Party is a terrorist organization.
bleak echo
cold take
shy gulch
/pol/
shy gulch
Just block him. He’s a troll
@small root He is a troll because he called your party just as shit as the republican party?
restive seal
Oh, two trolls.
balmy quartz
The Republican Party has killed more Americans than Al-Qaeda
wise pollen
no u
shy gulch
Anyone who has a opinion is a troll
Ofc
Both parties are ignorant one-sided simple minded idiots.
pure jetty
WHO ASKED?
valid steeple
I consider it the #braindamage channel
icy fiber
Both major parties suck here in Aus as well :S But there's always one that sucks more and you don't want the one that sucks more to get in so you go with the one that sucks less to make a tiny difference
mystic ermine
That's the horror of two party, because the only viable option is a global co-ordinated fuck you to both parties from everybody, which, lets face it...
But, you're also often trying to vote for the lesser of two evils
trump v hillary is sure as heck a fun one
shut vine
I personally think Clinton lost due to her attempt to pretend to be an outsider. Which was Trumps main argument for president, he's an outsider. She basically let him decide what the election was about.
It's also insanely stupid to pretend to be an outsider in her shoes..
balmy quartz
DNC is complicit in electing Tonald Drump
balmy quartz
Biden gonna lose of that I'm sure
That doesn't mean you shouldn't vote, y'all need blue congress and sentate
valid steeple
i hear red hurts your eyes less
balmy quartz
That is true, if you're on windows try this https://justgetflux.com/
shut vine
Idk if they colluded with Russia, Clinton did accuse nearly everyone of being a Russian spy though
One thing I think is certain, American politics is utterly fucked lately.
pure jetty
lately
shut vine
Well more so than usual.
drifting arch
in california you have to be in the party you wish to vote for
so atm im a democrat
but you better believe if a good candidate pops up in any of the smaller parties or in the libertarian party, ill switch like no problem
blind party loyalty? KEK
who does that shit
fuck the party as soon as they no longer represent the greatest possible good
valid steeple
party loyalty is why you americans are actually brain damaged
drifting arch
there are more parties, but yes it usually comes down to the 2 frontrunners :/
shut vine
Voting for a party because the party is not a good idea. Especially in US politics. You're much better off voting based on local government reps that will make changes locally for your benefit.
drifting arch
yeah, there are people in my family who literally ree and say "I DON'T EVEN CARE ILL VOTE GOP UNTIL THE DAY I DIE DOESNT MATTER WHO IT IS YEEHAW YOU STUPID SNOWFLAKES"
(sic)
yeah, idk. i hope to fuck people show up to vote this year
cuz dear god
and i hope nobody votes by mail, because trump is literally trying to suppress the vote as hard as possible
shut vine
Well authoritarian governments can form from many political philosophies. Generally those in favor of more government involvement in peoples lives are more likely to turn to authoritarianism.
drifting arch
what you just said james, was
those who like authoritarianism turn to authoritarianism
shut vine
Well my point was most people associate authoritarianism with the right, but there are plenty of examples on the left too.
Yeah I know.
valid steeple
more right = better
shut vine
I dislike those labels in general to be honest. People dismiss things because of them too often.
It's better to judge things on their merit.
Yeah absolutely. It's healthy to be skeptical, and a true skeptic is skeptical of their own beliefs before anything.
Well not being part of that is important I think. Also taking the time to understand those who disagree with our opinions.
I think that's difficult for a lot of people, because most people are not very respectful about their opinions.
Respectful is not the right word... people are very argumentative about their opinions.
smoky hedge
So y'all over in the US are having your election stuff
But over here in Aus...
The former leader of the opposition calls the prime minister a simp on TV
pure jetty
"how do you do fellow kids"
brazen thistle
US bad, EU good
pure jetty
US good but it isn't feeling well rn
shut vine
pure jetty
Journalists who don't know how AI works?
brazen thistle
What's new
brisk cradle
AI is subject to GIGO: Garbage in, garbage out. This is no surprise to me.
mystic ermine
journalists too
near glen
Well, the point is more that Facebook doesn't remove such content (outside of Germany) so the algorithm can promote it
Can't promote content if it gets deleted in the first place
As much as I was first meh on our law to force platforms to remove shit, you can't deny that it works for shit like this
near glen
Nah, just removal of content that violates laws
Like, it's a law here that you can't deny the Holocaust
valid steeple
pure jetty
You can deny the Holocaust all you want in the US of A
Seriously tho, laws denying speech are bad
white wing
But can you tell us why?
pure jetty
Because the government shouldn't have the power to suppress speech
white wing
Exactly but why?
valid steeple
they're gonna abuse it
pure jetty
If a government has the power to deny speech in the first place, all it takes is a corrupt person in power to restrict speach in a way the majority doesn't like
white wing
i.e. you don't want to set a precedent
pure jetty
Restrictions on speech are only good if you can ensure that every person in power ever will always hold your values
Which you can never assure
That's why the US's speech laws are the best in the world, the first amendment forbids the government from doing anything close to suppressing speech
white wing
Right just make sure to say that next time.
pure jetty
Where you have countries like the UK and Canada banning "hate speach" which is only gonna take a subpar majority of power to turn wrong
white wing
Well Canada has forced speech too
pure jetty
The fact that those countries have the power to do any of that in the first place is a failure in their legal system
Yeah canada forced speech is a whole other shit show
brazen thistle
im sure you wouldnt want people to deny the holocaust if half your family was murdered by some lunatic who likes to write minecraft books
pure jetty
The role of government shouldn't be to restrict speech as a way of preventing dumb speech, the citizens should do that for themselves
shy gulch
Restricted speech is what caused governments like Nazi Germany
A government should not have the ability to set a standard on whats right or wrong
A government without freedom of speech could enforce a ideal that is both morally and factually wrong
As many mistakes as the US has had freedom of speech has fixed them. If the US had silenced people during slavery and the civil rights movement progress would have been slowed and maybe even paused.
End of the day political issues end up figuring themselves out if the government has set policies that enforce good and easy political change.
good luck convincing your neighbors the Nazis were absolute evil and needed to be stopped without the gestapo making you disappear.
near glen
It always get twisted in ways as if Germany wouldn't have freedom of speech
Freedom of speech is a very fundamental right in our constitution
It's the 5th article
It's just that there are limitations, the articles are ranked, human dignity is more important than freedom of speech
Freedom of speech ends when you violate other laws
weary lake
^ Freedom of speech should go hand-in-hand with other laws, not override them.
near glen
We actually call it freedom of expression, since it's not limited to speech
"Article 5
[Freedom of expression, arts and sciences]
(1) Every person shall have the right freely to express and disseminate his opinions in speech, writing and pictures and to inform himself without hindrance from generally accessible sources. Freedom of the press and freedom of reporting by means of broadcasts and films shall be guaranteed. There shall be no censorship.
(2) These rights shall find their limits in the provisions of general laws, in provisions for the protection of young persons and in the right to personal honour.
(3) Arts and sciences, research and teaching shall be free. The freedom of teaching shall not release any person from allegiance to the constitution."
The second paragraph is what America doesn't have I would assume
pure jetty
You don't have freedom of speech if other laws can limit it
The government shouldn't be in the business of making sure you're not offended
plush crypt
this one falls under the protection of youths tbh
weary lake
Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can shout racist, homophobic, etc. messages all around and it shouldn't either.
If freedom of speech would mean that everyone can say whatever they want, I don't want it.
mystic ermine
racist/homophobic attacks are something I agree against being permitted, that's not really free speach, that's being a cunt
One thing for me was the baker a few years ago who got a ton of shit for not baking a cake for a gay couple
I 100% agree that he does not have to make that cake, and once again, you can't preach for equal rights and freedom of religion and not permit freedom of religion
plush crypt
^ that's luckily illegal over here. if you don't want to do a job for someone, you shouldn't have opened a bakery, and better yet, you could very well just do a bad job and still get a bad review on yelp or whatever the fuck
mystic ermine
That's stupid
What if somebody comes in wanting you to bake a nazi cake?
I mean, yea, extremes and all, but, like, seriously...
plush crypt
that'd be legal to not do, cause nazis aren't on the very short list of shit you can't discriminate against (which includes just refusing to make something for them if your job is literally to make smth)
mystic ermine
What about a cake for a muslim party with a picture of bacon on it or something?
plush crypt
you would not be allowed to deny that
mystic ermine
You can't say that you support freedom of religion and say "oh, yea, no, you're not allowed to hold your beliefs"
Well, that's stupid
You should be 100000% allowed to disagree to deny to make such a cake
plush crypt
meh, if you don't like it, there's always the ability to appeal a decision if the customer so pleases to take it that far
this, over here, falls into the same area as e.g. us having no minimal wage; all transactions are to be decided upon by both parties and coming to an agreement
mystic ermine
by both parties and coming to an agreement
And if one party disagrees? what's wrong with that?
plush crypt
then it comes into a very short list of what you cannot disagree with
mystic ermine
That's just entirely moronic
plush crypt
come over and fix it, we don't have the requirements of the US to have politicians be born here
white wing
Anyways freedom of speed allows people to be cunts however it doesn't allow people to be free from consequences from that speech, it's just government can't dish out the consequences.
near glen
I am not sure what the laws on that here are, but I guess personally I wouldn't be too upset with it being legal to deny a gay couple or smth, but they would have to deal with being called homophobic in Google reviews then
I am somewhat sure that our constitution only says equal rights before the law and that wouldn't really cover this
mystic ermine
My thing is is that you can't preach freedom of religion and then chastise people for following their religious views
near glen
Well, it's a ranking think again
mystic ermine
Christianity says that homosexuality is a sin, and I don't think that it's just to say that people should have to partake in stuff which goes against their beliefs
Now, if they where burning gay people on crosses, etc; Now, that would be an issue
near glen
What's more important, my freedom of sexual expression and right for equality, or your freedom of religion
mystic ermine
I'd say all 3 are just as important if you want to preach about having a society where all people are welcome
near glen
In Germany, it's actually #3 for equality and #4 for religion
Sadly the equality part doenst mention sexual orientation explicitly
pure jetty
Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can shout racist, homophobic, etc. messages all around and it shouldn't either.
It is freedom of speech
Literally definition
Not that I support that stuff obv
But the ability for a government to regulate that is a failure of their constitution
You're gonna have double standards/inconsistencies with some laws
And your governments will abuse those laws sooner than later
But at least you aren't legally allowed to be offended I guess?
brazen thistle
I cant
This is legit why people in your country don't wear masks cuz "meh freedom reee. Government can't decide if I should do x or y"
pure jetty
I mean I don't think the government should have the power to force them
I think everyone should wear masks
brazen thistle
Yeah except people are fucking dum and need to be regulated
pure jetty
But even having the ability to force people to do stuff like that is a slippery slope
plush crypt
hopefully theyll make it mandatory over here sometime soon, but this gov would 100% rather ban masks instead
brazen thistle
Yeah imagine having a government who can force you to pay your taxes. That's insane
Anyway this is beyond me. Have a good night
brazen thistle
It's literally the same thing
weary lake
You reason as if not being able to do x to the fullest extent possible means that you don't have the right to do that. By that reasoning, you literally don't have the right to do anything. E.g., to come back to freedom of religion, if my religion says that I should burn everyone who doesn't believe in that religion then that isn't allowed, but that doesn't mean that I don't have freedom of religion. Laws should work alongside each other, not override each other.
And yes, sometimes that turns into edge cases where it's not entirely clear what is allowed and what is not, but that is then up to a judge to decide.
pure jetty
That's different, you're commiting a crime
weary lake
Racism is also a crime.
restive seal
But can burning people alive be a crime, can there be a law against it, if it goes against your freedom of religion JRoy? Sounds like that law is unconstitutional if you slide down this slippery slope! 😄
restive seal
Not speech, religion! 🙂
pure jetty
Listen I'm not a fan of religion in the first place lmao
mystic ermine
I mean, if it was up to me, religion would be tossed in the bin; religion defo conflicts with a lot of modern views
pure jetty
^
Religion causes more problems than it solves
But I don't care
But as I was saying
Burning someone is a crime
You already can't incite violence with speech
"kill yourself" or "I'm going to kill the president" or "I'm going to shoot your mom" are all technically illegal
I don't think your freedom of speech should override other laws
But I don't think your speech should be limited by other laws
That didn't really make sense but
Pretty much if your speech asks for or makes you do illegal actions it should be illegal
And with all my examples above I'm talking in the case of US law as that's what I'm most familiar with
restive seal
I don't think your speech should be limited by other laws
if your speech asks for or makes you do illegal actions it should be illegal
These are incompatible.
weary lake
I mean "if your speech asks for or makes you do illegal actions it should be illegal" is essentially what happens here as well, we just have different rules. To get back to the initial point, in Germany denying the holocaust is illegal, so saying such is then illegal.
near glen
It's generally the typical American black and white thing, there are only two sides, when actually it's a scale everywhere else
pure jetty
I'm a fan of a court of public opinion that calls idiots, idiots
weary lake
Whether that law in itself is good or not is up to you, but freedom of speech is still preserved by that idea.
pure jetty
For as long as that government shares your interests!
near glen
In Germany, stuff like this would need to be passed by a 2/3 majority in parliment
weary lake
Isn't that always the case? The moment the goverment doesn't share my interests, then all other laws would be also against my interest.
near glen
If 2/3 of parliment is anti-democratic, we failed much longer before that
pure jetty
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
near glen
Actually, somebody give me a history lesson. Americans have a deep fear of the gov going Rouge, had that every happened?
pure jetty
We need 34 states to sign an amendment
2/3rds ig
So they could remove freedom of speech
But we have a diverse split of power so it's unlikely
near glen
Who in the state has the vote on that, just the governor alone?
weary lake
A normal law is just 50% here. A ehm, 'hardcore' law is 75% twice.
pure jetty
Yet again I'm not saying those countries will let that happen
But it's a possibility
And idk mini
Governors I think
near glen
That sounds not really democratic again, but your would system is kinda strange to me
restive seal
It's state legislatures, JRoy.
weary lake
I guess if the governers are chosen democratically it's fine
restive seal
or a ratifying convention I suppose.
pure jetty
Yeah it doesn't happen often
restive seal
Only the 21st was done that way.
near glen
I already hate some aspects of Federalism here, I don't even want to think about how much worse it is for you
pure jetty
Step 1. Passage by Congress. Proposed amendment language must be approved by a two-thirds vote of both houses.
Step 2. Notification of the states. The national archivist sends notification and materials to the governor of each state.
Step 3. Ratification by three-fourths of the states. Ratification of the amendment language adopted by Congress is an up-or-down vote in each legislative chamber. A state legislature cannot change the language. If it does, its ratification is invalid. A governor’s signature on the ratification bill or resolution is not necessary.
near glen
I guess if the governers are chosen democratically it's fine
@weary lake no, thanks to the middle man you loose all minorites
pure jetty
State elections are the most fair in the country!
near glen
(I don't know how they work)
weary lake
Well then you need to get rid of all middle men, which ehm, good luck making that work
pure jetty
insert NaPoVoInterCo plug here
near glen
That's why you got a federal parliment, the Congress in the us, right?
near glen
That makes sure that minorities are representated
pure jetty
Federal congress votes on federal laws
near glen
Yeah, it's the same here, every state has its own parliment and we got one federal one
pure jetty
Each state is like it's own country
near glen
That's Federalism
pure jetty
They all have to federal laws tho
near glen
But US is much more extreme, here many laws are centralized at the federal level
weary lake
Provinces have some power here, but definitely aren't "separate countries" by any means
weary lake
I just vote for a party every four years and call it a day ;)
near glen
And we don't crack down on members that go rouge
pure jetty
States have decent power in the US too
shy gulch
Decent power? States have great power.
USA is a unionized nation. If states had few power we would be looking at another civil war.
States have ability to override a solid amount of federal law
federal law states weed is illegal
pure jetty
States cannot override federal law at all
shy gulch
Just look at weed laws in the US
@pure jetty Many states override federal law legalizing weed
dude
Weed is federally illegal
pure jetty
Weed is the state not enforcing the federal law
If you do anything with weed interstate you're fucked
near glen
If you would be able to just override federal law it wouldn't be a union, lol
pure jetty
Or if caught by a federal officer
near glen
Cause you could override the laws you where the majority on
shy gulch
Right, Override is horrible terminology
pure jetty
States don't have to enforce federal law I guess
shy gulch
No
pure jetty
It's hard with weed because it's not like a thing you can sue other people for
So it's hard to draw a line of federal jurisdiction there
shy gulch
Depending on the law a state is not required to enforce it
shy gulch
If states started to fuck with federal income
Im sure the feds would have no issue intervening
pure jetty
Banks are insured by FDIC and are governed federally
The federal government would sue banks if they touched weed money
shut vine
Yeah a states court system can rule a federal law invalid, and if the federal government doesn't challenge it the state is within it's rights to stop federal from going against the ruling.
shy gulch
Right
I like the system. State governments need to stay on the good side of the Federal Government and the Federal Government really needs to stay on the good side with a majority of the State Governments.
shut vine
The complication arises in things like DEA enforcing things the states have legalized. The charged person just becomes a cog in the machine really.
shy gulch
Ive never thought about Federal Agencies operating under State Laws
Shit gets complicated
shut vine
Yeah, especially when the individual has committed federal crimes in multiple states.
opal moat
But that's why banks won't touch weeb money
Sure, blame the keyboard for your weeb-ing
white wing
The mask protest make no sense. They are mainly protesting against private areas enforcing the mask policy. I don't think any public area enforces mask wearing. Like in new york in public people can just not wear mask around the street.
shy gulch
they should.
shut vine
Seki so your confusion is around why if they are FOR businesses doing what they want, why they should not be able to enforce mask wearing?
shut vine
I think they are still for it probably, not seen specifics. Hopefully they're not asking the gov to get involved. If they are that'd be stupid.
They are for protest, but for reduced government involvement. Or that's how I'd understand it.
white wing
No I'm wondering why they are protesting. At least from my experiences the only places that require you to wear a mask are in private property or government facilities, but nothing has been enforced on public property.
white wing
In the streets?
restive seal
sooo classy
pure jetty
Lol they bought 3 text numbers just to make a sentence
white wing
no
drifting arch
i guess we're radicalized for wanting the pandemic over
white wing
isn't that the same number?
white wing
also ha I have youtube red
pure jetty
isn't that the same number?
@white wing each of those keywords cost money
That's what I meant
white wing
ahhh
drifting arch
wat? not necessarily, i think you can just sign up for twilio for example and rent your short code and then write a thingy on their serverless provider like
if (msg === "RADICAL") {
...
} else if (msg === "EXTREME") {
...
} else if (msg === "LEFT") {
...
}
hey btw how the FUCK does british parliament work? so you have the house of commons which ppl can be elected to? but then...you have the house of lords??? which is like??? if you're rich??? cannot be elected there, its only for the Special People TM?
yall got me fucked up
white wing
Ah
mystic ermine
implying I'd know how tf our government "works"
house of lords is basically appointed by the house of commons or hereditary iirc
bleak echo
we have the same thing in canada basically
except the house of lords is called the senate here
icy fiber
Me, trying to stay on a diet
My KFC app: "$2 lArGe ChiPs"
oh oops it's the wrong channel but oh well
We can make it political right?
bleak echo
sure, we can talk about like US crop subsidies that probably impact what ingredients were used to produce those chips
shy gulch
In the streets?
@white wing Yes
Sorry for ping
Streets leading toward the board walks have a shit load of police telling people to wear there mask and giving masks to anyone without one.
plush crypt
@drifting arch the house of lords has basically no influence
they can postpone shit for a little bit, but thats abt it
drifting arch
so its appeasing the hereditary nobility by giving them fake power much like the queen? >:) oop @hasty radish
@plush crypt
wrong ping, get fucked proxima
plush crypt
pretty much
they could cancel new bills till somewhat recently
now its mostly symbolic
hasty radish
simp harder it wont get you laid any faster @drifting arch
white wing
Streets leading toward the board walks have a shit load of police telling people to wear there mask and giving masks to anyone without one.
Well if the government is providing masks to those who don't have them on the board walk there is no problem.
shy gulch
I mean
Its not just them providing masks
They are enforcing people to wear them
Personally I'm fine with this
white wing
Exactly they are enforcing mask wearing but they are also giving out masks to those who don't have it. Effectively no one is restricted from those public areas.
sweet canyon
pure jetty
Lololol
glacial thunder
what
restive seal
He's a very stable genius.
clever badge
near glen
Thankfully Darwin will handle that
drifting arch
re the tires thing, did yall know he tried to cut FEMA funding to california wildfire victims (and to help put them out entirely???) bc california didn't vote for him?
icy fiber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yhkwj85VzcE kinda funny how this song is becoming more relevant by the day lmao
cinder lichen
white wing
Oh no
faint radish
Looks like Alexei Navalny was probably poisoned... man, I gotta say, SUPER glad I don’t live in Russia...
Goes along with the 3 doctors who “fell out of windows” a couple months back after they said something contrary to the Kremlin on COVID 19
Putin is a scary guy
drifting arch
shut vine
Then there is Apple which increased its market cap by 800 billion dollars during the pandemic.
I think Bezos, Gates, Ballmer, Zuckerberg all make sense. Not sure about the others. Musk seems strange.
mystic ermine
still selling cars, still launching shit into space
icy fiber
True lol. The value they can get in raw cash by liquidating all of their assets wouldn't be anywhere near that amount .-.
mystic ermine
Well, yea, but painting all billionares as bad is amazing
Forget how much cash gates shoves towards health causes, etc
faint radish
Well gates and buffet both do a TON of that. Iirc, 99% of buffets money when he dies is going to 5 different charities. He and gates co founded the billionaire pledge thing.
And yeah, I mean if amazons stock falls 1%, Bezos loses billions of dollars. 187 billion of his net worth is ONLY his 57 million shares of amazon.
shy gulch
shy gulch
Sad I have to put this in #politics and isn't common knowlege: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68YuU2tStoU
foggy fern
Anyone arguing for flat earth is a troll or too stupid to live
torpid bear
Has anyone been watching the Democratic Convention this week? Biden’s speech tonight was pretty good.
brisk cradle
not me, because schoolwork
foggy fern
I missed it because sleep
shut vine
I haven't specifically seen the Biden speech, but generally find people set the bar pretty low for both him and Trump as to what a good speech is.
Additionally he's got a history speech plagiarism.
shy gulch
imo: feel free to be what ever you want, but I'm not gonna call you by a pronoun that's not:
- she/her
- he/him
- they/them
We can't just make a pronoun for EVERY. SINGLE. point on the spectrum on gender, that's kinda ridiculous
shut vine
I agree somewhat. I think if someone asked me specifically to call them by a specific pronoun in a respectful way I'd do my best to do so. Especially if they had earned my respect or were a friend.
However I don't think anyone who demands I do it will get that reaction from me.
Just like if they demanded I call them "master".
mystic ermine
master williams
shy gulch
kinky
shut vine
Also regarding this topic, I think it'd be good to be careful about when you railroad direct people into this channel. The topic itself (pronouns) is controversial. So you'd be relegating anyone who wants to talk about them here.
pure jetty
if you're gonna be that asshole who creates conflict, you're an asshole.
the goal of any convo should be to reduce conflict when possible
shut vine
I'm fine if people ask me in a constructive way. Also not going to respond well if they decide to be an asshole and jump down my throat for not using it on accident then I will just cut off contact.
Ultimately it's a negotiation, and people should set their own personal standards for how they are treated and talked to.
shy gulch
I feel that the only pronoun should just be "they/them" bc if people are transgender and change their pronoun at will, what's the point in having specific pronouns if they no longer like actually separate (I can't think of a good way of saying it 🤷) genders, why have more than one?
Just a thought.
shut vine
Well and how they talk. And I agree, sometimes that means they'll just be an asshole not worth your time.
shy gulch
thoughts?
pure jetty
i mean i haven't met someone (worth talking to) not okay with they/them
but if it makes people happy who cares
foggy fern
I've met one person not okay with they/them and they were also generally just kind of toxic
shut vine
Well, pronouns are mostly a convenience of speech generally for a method of communicating. So there is some validity to that. However some people don't feel they fit that criteria, and want others to accommodate them. Which is fine honestly; provided they do so in an accommodating way themselves.
foggy fern
Like, they'd be okay with it once but then they'd tell you their preferred pronouns and you needed to remember forever
I don't even remember what those pronouns were
shut vine
Yeah I agree JRoy.
I'm okay with the pronouns, I'm not okay with aggressively/forcefully/violently making people use them.
pure jetty
^ includes laws compelling speech
shut vine
Correct.
That's forceful.
Compelling speech is worse than saying someone cannot say something. It's sinister and I don't want a government deciding what we can, cannot, or must say.
Also I'd be against any law prohibiting people from choosing to have people call them by their desired pronoun.
For the very same reason.
white wing
Pronouns are such first world problem holy shit
pure jetty
yeah but like so is everything in the US i guess
the US is a first world country
i expect it to have first world problems
white wing
Everything is a political issue in the United States at this point
shy gulch
Pronouns should have nothing to do with government
They should not be forced
but
It 100% should be a social norm we respect what people want to be called
white wing
Too many people think that the fix to their problems is bigger and more controlling government.
shy gulch
Exactly
Some dick called me the wrong pronoun
Im gonna ask the government to force him to call me what I like
:p
white wing
I mean they might be right but I personally think that's stupid
white wing
I mean in the US it's not really a political issue, it's been a political issue in Canada though.
shy gulch
It should not be socially acceptable to purposely call someone the wrong pronoun
white wing
I don't think it is, but at the same time it's not socially acceptable to freak out if someone call you the wrong pronoun by accident.
shy gulch
Well
shut vine
Eh.. I don't believe in respect being a granted automatically thing. People have to act in a way that earns them respect.
shy gulch
I have heard different
I know a majority of people who think using the wrong pronoun should be met with fire
shut vine
Common decency is different, acting in a respectful manner maybe.
shy gulch
also a majority of the people I know are idiots
Calling someone by something they find personally offensive is not just disrespectful but dick head behavior
shut vine
Depends, if it's accidental, it's not.
shut vine
Yeah
shy gulch
On the other hand going ape shit on someone because of a honest accidental mistake is dick head behavior
🙂
shut vine
If I am unwilling to do something, and state that in a calm and clear, and someone starts demanding I do it, is that not disrespectful too?
shy gulch
If you are unwilling then walk away
dont start pissing someone off to piss someone off
white wing
I think most people would agree that if they accidentally called someone the wrong pronoun (possibly to wrong presuppositions) and the person respectfully asks them to call them another pronoun they would comply.
shy gulch
This is what I mean when I say this shouldnt be a political issue. Is calling someone a pronoun they request to be called seriously this big of a deal?
white wing
Not but it becomes a big deal when they want the state to legislate the usage of specific word in specific instances.
white wing
We have laws to restrict speech, yes. But it's only on speed that directly calls for harmful action. What we don't have is law enforcing speech.
Well don't go to Canada
white wing
Well the government, I like most of the people that I met from canada.
The terrain is also very pretty.
shut vine
I think that if someone asks you to do something you don't want to do, and you refuse, it's up to them at that point to walk away or otherwise deal with the rejection. That applies to many facets of life.
For you to get pissed they don't want to do what you want, is disrespectful. If they go out of their way to do something you don't want i.e. "don't call me x", is also disrespectful. Especially if you stipulate it's a condition of talking to you.
thin mist
why is there a politics channel on a minecraft server chat
white wing
Probably because they don't want politics in other channels.
weary obsidian
because we are a community with adults who want to discuss politics
this is the social category
could ask same question on why memes, food, music, swifties etc exists 😛
white wing
Ah just realized we should have just responded with a simple, yes.
Then leave him in confusion.
clever badge
minecraft and politics go hand in hand
thick moss
orange man bad
pulsar turtle
orange fan mad!
wanton basin
Is this channel for serious discussion of politics or no?
pure jetty
yes
wanton basin
Ok then I want google to make up their mind on what add to show me because On the YouTube app when I go in is one ad about Biden being good and a nother with him super over saturated and smiling creepily and this alternates every time I close the app
Stoopid
I can’t even vote
pure jetty
then you faked your age
pure jetty
youtube
wanton basin
Does it look at the google acct age?
I thought it just blindly gives out the most paying ads
wanton basin
They spy on you and then hyperpersonalize the ads based on what you said this morning also I thought to put this in politics because the ads were political but sorry
pure jetty
They spy on you
you agree to this when you use their services, don't like it don't use them
hyperpersonalize the ads
that's how ads work
wanton basin
you agree to this when you use their services, don't like it don't use them
that's how ads work
@pure jetty I know I agree but there aren’t any other services like YouTube and stuff so you have no choice
So I guess they force you to throw away privacy if you want any convenience because the mobile website is a heaping pile of garbage
pure jetty
google is not holding a gun to your head forcing you to use youtube
you have a choice
you didn't have to agree to google's terms
wanton basin
If you want today’s cable you don’t have a choice
shy gulch
Ok then I want google to make up their mind on what add to show me because On the YouTube app when I go in is one ad about Biden being good and a nother with him super over saturated and smiling creepily and this alternates every time I close the app
@wanton basin You do understand these ads are put up by each campaign? YouTube does not choose what ads to play based off its administrations political view it just plays ads from people that pay them
Not some conspiracy theory
wanton basin
No human chooses ik
I just found it funny how juxtapositional those ads were and since they were political I chose this place to talk about it
wanton basin
Duh they’re trying to sway voters
shy gulch
This is not really a political topic
wanton basin
Then sorry
shy gulch
Just advertisements being advertisements
wanton basin
Also why are all they ads about Biden good or Biden bad Noones talking about trump like he doesn’t exist at all
shy gulch
Trust me there are ads for Trump
I'm assuming youtubes algorithm is not showing you them or you are luckily and randomly not getting them.
wanton basin
Well it’s confusing and people shouldn’t be using ads to find out how they’ll vote anyways
shy gulch
Its not the ads fault
Advertisements are a simple way to push an agenda, product, etc.
If someone votes off a couple simple ads then that stupidity is on them.
wanton basin
But if they vote badly and that bad candidate wins they contributed to the suffering of society with their stupidity
pure jetty
only people who are already idiots let ads dictate who they vote for
they largely serve a confirmation bias
wanton basin
Political ads shouldn’t be a thing or they should be held to some sort of standard because all I see in them is mudslinging and the 15 seconds of a concerned sounding lady saying “what if what if what if vote him ” because idiots can cause harm
pure jetty
people are gonna vote stupid one way or another
ads don't push people as much as you think
wanton basin
I have a low opinion of humanity
wanton basin
If that’s true then that’s good
weary obsidian
If I wanted to donate 75$, which would I choose?
shut vine
People vote emotionally, half the issue with politics is that
urban relic
Why might my /help be broken?
Tells people unknown command, even though as an OP it works fine for me
weary obsidian
you have a /help with your politicians?
i dont think politicians can help you with minecraft
urban relic
😂 I have ZERO clue why I'm in this channel. Don't think I've ever once left #paper-help
warped musk
I hope donald trump releases the new papermc 1.16.2 version : D
weary obsidian
id ban him before he could get inhere
pure jetty
Aus is drafting what they call "News Media Bargaining Code"
Looks like the same Link tax the EU was suggesting
shy gulch
Hello
cedar bone
and on youtube. theyre just making everyone else prove their point further lol
foggy fern
Trump Jr before his speech tonight https://tenor.com/view/cocaine-henry-coke-coca-gif-5891893
torpid bear
He looks pretty different from big trump, but just look at his hand movements. They’re exactly the same.
meager ice
HES A CLONE
torpid bear
He’s an AI who used Big Trump to learn what “humans” act like
And they all said trump’s covid response was rapid and effective
pearl plinth
familiar face 👀
brisk cradle
Twitter
7 in 10 Republicans agree: isn't it time we went back to the glory days of King George III?
72% think Trump is a good role model for kids? Well, kids, it's time to throw all the advice your parents gave you out the window. Lie and cheat to your heart's content!
8 in 10 GOP voters see in Trump a personal example of what they see as GOP values? I guess they're now saying the silent part out loud: the GOP has no values, it's a grievance party now, and they only care about winning, and they'll do anything to win.