"literally ruin your life"
#politics
shy gulch
what doesn't quite make sense to me is how do you get completely random person fired?
shy gulch
and having personal info available on public ends up with you getting fired?
icy fiber
Reminds me of a funny joke I saw
"A wife is like a hand grenade; pull off the ring and your house is gone"
drifting arch
and show the employers the tweets that were so offensive and then boom
no but the company caves cause lots of ppl complain about it
valid steeple
is Q that guy from the bond films
drifting arch
kek
valid steeple
that's right, made up
gotta be one of the most kekw conspiracies I've ever seen
it's literally people on 4chan jebating other people on 4chan
drifting arch
i legitimately got sent about 25 videos about QAnon and the "Corona Conspiracy" and the "Cabal" from this crazy lady my Mom has friended on FB. I don't even go on there. I just checked my phone and had a chat bubble from this chick.
was wild
totally serious too
had to block her though
valid steeple
does facebook make people crazy or does it attract crazy
drifting arch
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
shy gulch
attract
valid steeple
yeah I'm feeling like it attracts
shy gulch
and then make new people crazy
we have this 5G conspiracy group in facebook
i'm there for shiz & giggles, because 
drifting arch
i found it ironic that she was part of a conspiracy theory that was trying to tout COVID as a conspiracy theory.
conspiracyception
shy gulch
couldn't even believe that this fucking amount of estonians are that stupid
valid steeple
one of these days the conspiracy theorists are gonna figure it all out
they'll figure out that there's a giant conspiracy to make them believe bullshit conspiracies
shy gulch
"bill gates come take your 5G nanovirus aids back to USA"
valid steeple
and that giant conspiracy is also backed by another giant conspiracy to make them believe there's a giant conspiracy to make them believe bullshit conspiracies
I cannot wait for the day that is true
pure jetty
JUST PUT SHUNGITE ROCKS AROUND YOUR HOUSE BLOCKS AGAINST 5G
valid steeple
yeah a couple of them probably are true
shy gulch
(yes simple. r word, i edited it)
valid steeple
but as with them all there's little evidence to go on so who knows
vaccines in general are full of conspiracies
cancel culture is pepeger
pure jetty
remember when skai jackson was just doxxing random 12 year olds
and every news article said she was brave
feels like just week
valid steeple
yeah idk who she is
drifting arch
Demon we need a bridge for this channel
pure jetty
this is the only relevance she's had for the past 5 years
valid steeple
was that a part of the general metoo movement or something separate
pure jetty
was in june
valid steeple
yeah im under a giant rock
oak cloak
microsoft buying tiktok ๐ฎ
pure jetty
some 12 year old said the n word as a edgy meme
and she gave out his school
people called the school
his parents got fired
and he was expelled or something i think
valid steeple
sounds kinda lame
she shouldn't be doing that kek
yeah it kinda makes it worse that it was done to 12 year olds
even if they're an adult I don't see the reason to witchhunt these people
yup
but targetting 12-15 is yeah kinda just fucked up
any archive of that/
drifting arch
Didn't she get the wrong guy once and damn near ruined his life
valid steeple
wait
drifting arch
Before he posted a thing calling her out
valid steeple
is it still up on her twitter
wtf
yeah I'm pretty sure spigot's discord moderation policy is to not moderate at all
valid steeple
yeah holy shit this stuff is actually on her twitter, found it
why is this garbage allowed there
pure jetty
but you bet your ass if it was a nazi doxxing a leftist they'd be banned within microseconds
(im not a nazi, i am a leftist)
i am just saying, it's true
valid steeple
it sorta makes the left look like trash though
where they can get away with it easier...
pure jetty
double standards 
valid steeple
when in reality they just need to enforce their rules consistently
pure jetty
somehow everyone screams censorship tho
only the right tend to talk about "muh first amendment"
valid steeple
censorship is always gonna be so opinionated about what you can and cannot censor
pure jetty
when it doesn't apply 
valid steeple
I don't touch twitter at all for these reasons
the environment on twitter is actually vile
pure jetty
i don't use twitter, mostly because if i posted their I'd be donowalling myself
but also kpop twitter can't cancel me if i never tweet anything
valid steeple
donowalling?
kpop twitter?
this is the first world barty
it's like that saying
pure jetty
guy talking to brick wall
pure jetty
the joke is streamers like xqc will just ignore some donos
and they'll be trying to talk to him
valid steeple
xqc gets an assload of donos
pure jetty
yeah he makes a lot lol
valid steeple
so much I think it's an actual constant stream of them lol
he must be making huge fucking bank
uh huh that's kinda true barty
dumb petty issues just end up taking away time from the important issues
it's like arguing about master/slave, they aren't actual real issues but they end up taking away discussion from real race issues
valid steeple
it's literally pepeger "im 14 and this is deep"
by fucking definition physical reality and theory are separate
pure jetty
basically all political discussion is being forced to be more abstract
solid salmon
no i think it's just made communication more accessible to dumb people
pure jetty
more recently, more and more people who have no idea what they're talking about let their feelings take over, make a broad political statement and can't refute any argument
that's what he meant by this tweet
valid steeple
oh that's a very poor way of explaining that
well it's more or less an issue of people not critically analysing what they believe
pure jetty
it's sad because this happens a lot on the left which taints the image of the leftists who are not actually brain dead
This happens every time the US tries to have a discussion on gun control or police reform
hell it happens every president debate
people let feelings take over, make a stupid statement, and can't refute it
so they change topic, call the other person a nazi, or whatever
they always got something to say
go in circles for hours like a dog chasing its own tail
valid steeple
i got an opinion about crates you know
pure jetty
valid steeple
drifting arch
if yall wanna do googlin in here, we have ddg! <query> cuz no bridge
and like, googlin...as in searching
oak cloak
it's actually duckduckgo
drifting arch
ye
oak cloak
but that's still a quality search engine
loud meteorBOT
valid steeple
cool new bot
drifting arch
like i understand the desire for getting rid of racism, but...not like that
she didn't even fact check, she called some guy out and he was just chillin. straight up had to post a public callout telling everyone Skai didn't do her research before calling him out
pure jetty
calling out racists never works
valid steeple
doxxing them wont I think
pure jetty
sure it makes some of them kill themselves
that's not a solution
calling out racists only makes them stronger
drifting arch
yeah, she literally just got submissions and immediately blasted it out to hundreds of thousands of ppl
ddg! skai jackson twitter follower count
loud meteorBOT
valid steeple
perfect
valid steeple
twitter should've rolled her ass quickly but I guess they're fine with that kind of behaviour festering
drifting arch
full on dox idk why she didn't get arrested lol
well
that's a lie
i do know why she didn't
yea
pure jetty
i don't think it's illegal
valid steeple
cuz that shit just makes the blm movement look bad
valid steeple
laws are outdated
and will stay that way for decades to come
it's certainly shitty
but idk if it's really illegal
valid steeple
a legal case?
pure jetty
yeah
pure jetty
wrongful death i think
drifting arch
not my
drifting arch
to dox somebody?
pure jetty
if someone gets murdered because of it
drifting arch
In California, doxing is considered a form of cyberstalking. Cyberstalking is, in turn, considered a form of stalking. In California, it's a violation of Penal Code 646.9, which implements California's anti-stalking laws.
Seems to be down to the states.
valid steeple
idk if posting that is itself an incitement to violence
valid steeple
you'd probably have to say things like "go fuck em up"
pure jetty
i doubt it would hold up in supreme court
drifting arch
i mean, i believe most (if not all) states would allow you to at the very least file a violation of privacy suit. That would be settled in the state, not out of, so not worries about having to hold up in supreme court.
Now, California also allows you to seek a stalking case.
So, I guess, weigh the options
Other states might have other provisions
Yea
shut vine
Doxing is generally illegal (criminal matter) in most US states.
Doxing in the context of publishing identifying information about them without consent, typically with malicious intentions.
Does not matter if they are children or not.
Though I'm sure any good prosecutor would push for as many additional charges as is possible if a child was involved, or if someone was harmed.
drifting arch
Agreed
It doesn't seem right that it's "not illegal" and that it "wouldn't hold up"
shut vine
Also if you do it to someone in another state, I think there are possible federal charges that can be laid against you in addition to state charges. Though that one I'm not as certain about.
icy fiber
TikTok ๐ฉ
near glen
I really don't get why muricans want to ban tik tok
I actually really liked that song
Holy fuck that's 10 years old
Oh god am old
drifting arch
@near glen I mean it's spyware for one lmao, HOWEVER...(and plz no offense, but you do this a lot)...
Trump != Americans.
What Trump says != What Americans think.
Please.
Dude is a fascist dictator, nothing more nothing less.
near glen
He's your president, your country voted for him, deal with the image of your country that projects into the world
drifting arch
I mean, we do.
pure jetty
we didn't vote for him
drifting arch
I didn't.
pure jetty
he lost by almost 3 million votes
drifting arch
But it gets damn tiring.
A good amount of our population is trying to get this guy gone.
near glen
Your country, your election system
drifting arch
Man, I should just rewind to WW2 and point this flashlight back in your face.
But I won't, because that wasn't your fault.
You didn't vote that guy in.
near glen
I mean, trump is by all means not a dictator, lol
drifting arch
He's getting there
He can't "ban TikTok"
that's not a thing, and if he actually does that is dictatorial
nothing less
near glen
So sue him
drifting arch
Believe me, we will, if that happens lmao.
However, my point is...Americans != Trump. Let's circle back there. What he does, is not what we think. What he wants for America, is not what a large majority want for America.
We want to be better than that.
near glen
Same with him trying to tell his voters that the elections got postponed. That's actually such a genius move. If you can't win, loose by so far that it looks like it can't be right
restive seal
I feel like there is probably at least one legal way to effectively ban tiktok. Probably through economic sanctions type stuff.
near glen
He's setting that up good
drifting arch
It could stop with you guys equating his behavior to Americans themselves.
I feel like there is probably at least one legal way to effectively ban tiktok. Probably through economic sanctions type stuff.
@restive seal Sure, but I don't see it lasting before people kick up a shitstorm.
restive seal
Eh, it's tiktok. Let it burn.
drifting arch
Quite a few won't wear a mask (and that's a whole other issue). You think they'll just lay down and let their new favorite app get banned?
Spyware or not
I agree, for sure
I'm just saying
restive seal
I'm not sure angry boomers and tiktok users overlap too much? While plenty of younger folks in the tiktok range aren't wearing masks, I don't see those types showcased at anti-mask protests.
drifting arch
Not sure. All the boomers in my family use it because my niece showed them the app.
I don't know how widespread that is
But my family do like it
(And they were antimaskers for a good few months until it became community ordinance)
Twitter
pure jetty
there is grounds to ban tiktok
it's not a dictator move
even the ACLU agrees
they don't want that to happen but they said it's legal
they have 45 days to come to a sale with a US company or else they get banned
the issue the US is trying to resolve is the Chinese government having access to such broad data of our youth
The comeback of "well other US companies do it" isn't what they're trying to fight here
US companies are within the US court system
which means that our government can stop them from collecting data or whatever
and fine them
The US government has a lot less control over a China based company than a Facebook or Google
(upon request, without disclosure, no questions asked ^)
And since a HUGE amount of young children are using this app
Which gives China a dataset that they've never really had access to before
Who knows what they'll do without, maybe nothing, but it's safer for TikTok to be a US company than not
People who disagree are often either;
- too young to understand the national security implications of this and just want their haha funny dance app
- missing part of the problem
Also to add on to the "US companies do this too": US companies have privacy polices which are legal documents of which they are bound too
TikTok has one too, but they can violate it without effect if they are a chinese company
they don't have to worry about violating it because the US has not jurisdiction in China
faint radish
and to be completely honest, I don't want any company to have tons of data on me, but I'd MUCH rather the ones that do be US companies than chinese companies.
weary obsidian
FYI chinese companies are legally required to assist china with espionage
drifting arch
lmao wtf french president is married to a chick 25 years older than him, who was his school teacher 
valid steeple
yeah that's actually fucked
solid salmon
valid steeple
all in favor of communism being cancer say F
drifting arch
i mean, parts of it yes
valid steeple
god damn communists
bleak echo
dense carbon
tiny pier
opal moat
near glen
tbh
prolly a good represative of a big part of murica
the land where you have the freedom not to wear a mask ๐
restive seal
"It's under control...They are dying, that's true... it is what it is"
clever badge
this is an extremely good and important video
you hear a guy actually question him at his face and the guy just keeps going as if he's not saying anything
restive seal
If anyone wants a summary of the video
Seriously though, it is worth sitting down and watching this.
"You can't do that [looking at deaths as percent of population]" "... why not?"
restive seal
That's what I'm up to now, it's a complete mess.
I do not believe the man understands what is happening.
near glen
Sure, if you test more, deaths per infection is going down since you catch more ppl with no or light symptoms
But just ignoring that thousands are dying, that's nice
We got 9200 deaths in Germany, and that's a fucking tragedy, meanwhile you guys manage to reach that within a week or two
restive seal
"We have a new phenomenon, it's call mail-in voting"
Good lord.
This interviewer is desperately trying to teach the president of the united states how mail-in voting works and it's not working.
clever badge
i like this video because it clearly proves that the presidency is a pointless job that anyone could do without any great effort whatsoever
also it won't change anyone's mind in november (or whenever voting day is delayed until). people vote for him because 'fuck liberals'
restive seal
I disagree, Crimson. I believe the video shows the correlation between a low effort, low competence president and an incredibly poor and deadly handling of problems in the country.
clever badge
of course it does
but the guy's still in office and will have voters come november
precisely because they don't give a shit about anything he does, they just like that he's perpetuating the whole 'libtard' thing
he still calls it the china virus, he still whines about clinton and obama, because he knows that his demographic loves it
the man's just a vessel for the zeitgeist that evolved and sprouted in 2014-2015
restive seal
Yep
clever badge
the entire country is fucked
get outta there before it Explodes
i'm gonna binge watch LOST
restive seal
He still believes he did more than any president except "maybe" Lincoln for African Americans
"Their percentage was up" - wut
All he can say about John Lewis is "he didn't come to my inauguration" when asked about how history will look on him
clever badge
who the hell did
near glen
dont aks him that, thats a weak spot ๐
clever badge
would be a shame if someone used that against him in a presidential campaign
brisk cradle
Opening schools during this pandemic is a disaster. This isn't going to end well. https://twitter.com/Freeyourmindkid/status/1290626349426671617
There's zero social distancing and few people are wearing masks.
pure jetty
bleak echo
Land of the people who've been fucked over so much they don't have the energy to care anymore more like
well, mixed in with the idiots
meager ice
might as well accept everyone is going to get infected now
just get it over with
mandatory corona
near glen
Masks are mandatory while roaming around in schools here
And we considering to make it mandatory even at your desk in class
weary lake
Meanwhile here masks aren't mandatory anywhere
near glen
mandatory in stores and public transport
and public buildings I think
oh also restaurants and bars etc on the way to your table
near glen
Germany
plush crypt
masks arent even recommended here
they believe that masks wouldnt be adopted at all for like 90% of people so no gain in them
sweet canyon
So if Trump were to get impeached, would Mechanical Pencil become president?
pure jetty
He was already impeached
He needs to be removed from office by the Senate
Which they voted not to
faint radish
im 100% sure he tweeted it as a joke...
the whole "what if he doesn't leave office" question isn't really an issue
icy fiber
Dahell xD here in Vic, Australia wearing masks has been mandatory since Monady, schools and work must be done from home if possible (for regional vic..), for the CBD, if you can't work from home and you aren't an essential worker, rip your job for 6 weeks xd
near glen
How long have masks been mandatory for?
@heavy loom idk, 5 months? Maybe 6 already, who knows
But back then we closed everything but grocery stores down
Everything but clubs is reopened here, but need to present a hygiene concept and that's getting controlled like weekly in most places
On an unrelated note
balmy quartz
The Republican party is a terrorist organization
wise pollen
Everyone I don't like is hitler
balmy quartz
Amen ๐
pearl plinth
unless you've killed millions of jews, you're not "literally hitler"...
shy gulch
The Republican party is not a terrorist org.
buoyant mango
can agree
near glen
TIL you need to register to be allowed to vote?
Wtf
Isn't voting a civil right?
Man america sure is weird with their freedums
Holding a gun in public, mah freedum!
Not being able to vote because you didn't register upfront, naah, that's fine
Here I just walk to some schooler where stuff is setup to vote, show my ID and I can vote
Or, even easier, be lazy and use the mail voting stuff they send to everyone upfront
opal moat
Well, when you have no national identification system thats unique and identifies every citizen like every other civilized country has, you have to register to vote
brisk cradle
In news related to people who actually give a shit... Cori Bush unseated William Lacy Clay in MO-01 primary and Rashida Tlaib won re-election. AOC won her primary already. On to Ilhan Omar!
shy gulch
Honestly if they wanna open schools and shit back up they should still be able to do in person voting
Mailing thing is gonna be a disaster
brisk cradle
Opening shit back up is already a disaster.
shy gulch
Yeah
Because of our countries amazing freedoms all the rednecks dont wanna throw a mask on for 15mins so In person voting might not be the best honestly
God I hate people
elder portal
If you want to keep power in a democracy, you need to make it easier for your supporters to vote and harder for your opposition to vote. That means, as someone in power, writing laws such as registering to vote. And then having certain criteria be met to do so
It's not corruption necessarily, just how power works
"Rules for Rulers" is a fantastic video illustrating this
Also mail-in voting is already incredibly successful in many states. It's been done for decades. Turnout with mail-in is higher and no, there's no real risk of fraudulent votes
bleak echo
yeah, oregon has had mail-in voting for ages and it's just not an issue? i don't see why the rest of the country has any need to be so dramatic about it
you lose out on the fancy sticker, but that's about it
elder portal
You can still get a fancy sticker. Ours comes inside the envelope
bleak echo
ah, time to petition the oregon state legislature
pure jetty
I mean mail in voting obviously enables fake votes more than physical voting
But it's not as bad as electronic voting
And not really as big a deal as Trump makes it to be
elder portal
The risk/reward for putting in fake votes makes it not worth it
Just because there's more of an opportunity for it doesn't mean it happens
And fake votes still doesn't happen much at all
Not even close to a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of what it would take to do anything
The bigger issue is interference from other countries, usually by way of advertising or false information
That is actually a real threat
pearl plinth
fake votes have such a high risk for a low reward
elder portal
Exactly
The better way to do it is advertising and false info. So much more effective
Those two don't overlap all the time
Despite my sentence structure
pearl plinth
you're better off actually getting everyone you know vote for who you want
mystic ermine
God, people are basically getting pensioners to be a PITA to the BBC, who just spent ยฃ38 million to "help" pensioners pay their license fee
This is beautiful
brisk cradle
Twitter
methinks the NRA will fight this lawsuit hard, and make plans to reincorporate in a "friendly" jurisdiction
The audit committeeโs chair testified during a deposition with the OAG that he had no knowledge of New York law governing audit committees, whistleblowers, or conflicts of interest, and that he could not recall the last time he had seen the audit committee charter that specifically states the audit committee โovers[ees] the integrity of financial informationโ at the NRA.
pure jetty
Dissolving the NRA ain't gonna do anything
brisk cradle
I know that
99.9% chance they will reincorporate in a different state that will look the other way
shut vine
The problem with mail in voting at the 11th hour is it's prone to failure due to bureaucratic incompetency. There are states that have done it and votes that have been mailed in on time have been excluded because they didn't arrive on time. When you multiply the number of states doing it especially if they have not successfully done it before, there is bound to be issues.
I think the solution is to vote over time. Start planning now for staggered voting.
shut vine
Actually there are at least 10 states where that is not the case.
meager ice
well then that obviously needs to change before the election
of course trump doesn't care about solutions, he just wants to call the election rigged and delay it till its favorable for him
such a change should not require months to deliberate and implement, delaying the election does nothing
couple months will not change the danger of coronavirus spread unless we achieve herd immunity in that time (not possible during this timeframe as predicted by most experts)
near glen
Quick question: is a country where the president uses executive orders extensively still a democracy?
near glen
Last time we had executive orders in germany, Hitler was the one using them, just fyi
bleak echo
it's not a constitutional democracy at least
though also executive orders aren't unilaterally bad
they're great for random niceties
foggy fern
Also allowing votes to be counted after election day if they were postmarked by election day is exactly what Trump doesn't want. He was bitching Nevada could take a week now to figure out who won and that's too long
near glen
Just set the deadline for mail in voting to a week before election day then?
they're great for random niceties
@bleak echo even that should go thru a parliment
foggy fern
But yeah, Trump banned all US transactions to Tencent and Tencent owns Riot Games who makes League of Legends
So I think he really did just ban LoL
near glen
I thought it was all transactions to byte dance?
bleak echo
but things like parliament has directed x to happen in california, executive order would guide the implementation of x
foggy fern
Bytedance and Tencent
bleak echo
say let's direct federal employees in nevada and oregon to support x
america is so fucked
near glen
Is riot a subsidiary of tencent tho?
foggy fern
Weirdly worded
Full ownership of Riot Games, the American developers of Valorant and League of Legends
That's what Wikipedia says
They also own just less than half of Epic Games
near glen
They have shares in every major gaming company
foggy fern
80% of Grinding Gear Games (they make Path of Exile), etc
near glen
Tencents investment into epic was genius tho
The Huawei thing was a executive order too, right?
foggy fern
Sanctions pretty much always are
Sometimes Congress will pass a bill forcing the President to do them or blocking him from removing them but I think they all go through the same system
But yeah, if this is broader than just transactions related to WeChat or made via WeChat a lot of gamers are going to be pissed
bleak echo
it's going to get interesting too when the content canada can access becomes even more different from what the US can access
foggy fern
Twitter
Although the wording of the EO actually leaves it up to the Secretary of State to decide what is and isn't banned in a list he had to produce in 45 days
brisk cradle
Well, if they do block video game companies owned by China... well, only Joe Biden will give you your TikTok and League of Legends.
near glen
Vote Biden for TikTok, what a slogan ๐
icy fiber
TikTok = ๐ฉ
pure jetty
Only WeChat and TikTok are subject of the order
WhiteHouse officials have clarified it
Also they are only being banned if they are not sold to a US company within 45 days
I find that very likely with TikTok but not WeChat
Considering that's like the only used in China which is why it's weird
near glen
What if it's sold to an European company ๐คฏ
pure jetty
Would require trump to sign another executive order
Where as selling to a United States company would automatically cancel the declaration of national emergency since there cannot be a national emergency domestically
TikTok isn't gonna mess around with that though, probably just gonna sell to Microsoft
covert jacinth
weary obsidian
inb4 tiktok in minecraft
who else has never used tiktok lol? apparently it requires you to even sign in to click links.
as much as I despise trump, i kinda like this, it needs to be broken off of china
im guessing wechat is something primarily used by people in china? dont think ive heard of it
clever badge
sell it to microsoft or i'll ban it
weary obsidian
imagine if all those people spending tons of time on tiktok did something more productive, or even just played video games ๐
send all the tiktokers to struggling games to keep them afloat
mystic ermine
I mean, I thought tiktok had already kinda lost interest like a year ago or so
and then it just started making a wave across "the normals"
weary obsidian
well my nephew still looks at it and now has my mom on it too
she tries to send me shit every so often and im like i cant view that
mystic ermine
I remember it being popular from all the cosplayers, etc; felt like it was fading out, but then everybody started using it lol
weary obsidian
why did vine go away? wasnt it the same thing
mystic ermine
It's that whole joy when you find a band or something, and a few months later they're big
Didn't instagram kill it or something?
weary obsidian
i dunno i dont keep up with hipster shit
though i guess with as mainstream as this shit gets, it no longer qualifies for hipster status, so i guess "trendy shit"
but totally hipster when its first starting to grow
mystic ermine
vine was getting pretty popular, but then insta dropped their own video stuff, given that everybody was already on insta, it sorta made sense to them to keep it all in once place
weary obsidian
is there an official % of how much of society embraces something to lose hipster status?
weary obsidian
what the absolute fuck
so i got this spam text from some conservative politician
"to unsubscribe from <my AC maintenance company> press 1, to unsub from <conservative> press 2"
is my ac company fucking shilling for this person
restive seal
hah!
weary obsidian
i was trying to figure out how the hell they got my number
brisk cradle
pure jetty
That suspension was stupid, pretty sure the ACLU offered to sue them
Half the policies schools have are bs anyways
the old SCOTUS granted them way too much broad power
Doubt the same ruling would go nowadays which is why it should be reaffirmed
foggy fern
Twitter
What does that even mean? How can you have an executive order to give people something they've had for a decade?
meager ice
they have it now ok?
whats not to get?
they used to have it too but thats the past
oak cloak
"Trump suddenly forgets his administration wants to remove coverage for pre-existing conditions and implements protection for them which already exists due to Obamacare"
Yeah real big news
brisk cradle
Medicare for All pls
Oh, that's right, America can't have nice things because the billionaires who corrupted the political system don't like them.
No wonder why socialism is getting more and more popular!
brisk cradle
Further proof America has given up on a proper COVID-19 response. We've went from "kill grandma for the sake of the economy" to "kill kids for the sake of the economy". It's just like America is the only country in the world where school shootings are just tolerated by large segments of the population. https://twitter.com/carterforva/status/1291912748037804033
Twitter
Fuck Elon Musk, SpaceX and Tesla are cool but you're not.
opal moat
I disagree with you Tux
brisk cradle
Meanwhile in Utah https://www.thedailybeast.com/utah-woman-madalena-mcneil-faces-life-in-prison-after-allegedly-buying-red-protest-paint?via=twitter_page
opal moat
You can't give up on something you never did ๐
pure jetty
What does that even mean? How can you have an executive order to give people something they've had for a decade?
@foggy fern trump gutted it and added it back
faint radish
k, that headline about faces life in prison after buying red paint is a little disingenuous. The article says she was part of the group that threw the red paint. Whether or not she actually threw the paint or not, she was part of the group that did it. apparently in utah, that is enough.
the headline kinda makes it sound like someone bought red paint, and then was arrested because the cops thought she was gonna do something bad w/it.
pure jetty
Clickbait + People only reading the headline make a perfect couple
weary lake
I mean, sure, it's clickbait, but life in prison for protesting/riotting is still an extremely excessive measure.
pure jetty
Life is a little excessive yeah
But thowing paint at cops isn't protesting, it's assult
2 weeks tops imo
bleak echo
imagine threatening life for anything involving just paint
brisk cradle
During protests in Portland, Oregon, in recent weeks, federal officials sought to characterize vandalism incidents as extremist violence, with acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf issuing a long list of โanarchist extremistโ incidents, most of which amounted to graffiti.
Reminder that most anarchists don't graffiti stuff all the time.
pure jetty
Gang violence laws jfc
brisk cradle
A recent Homeland Security report, leaked to The Nation, revealed the department was considering tying the U.S. anti-fascist movement (which is not an organized group) to the Kurdish YPG fighting force. That move theoretically could enable feds to classify U.S. protesters as foreign-linked and enable otherwise-illegal surveillance against them.
Well, it wasn't long before the tools of foreign suppression came home
pure jetty
Doubt they'd be able to do that without losing in court
brisk cradle
They'll invent a justification. That's what has always happened.
Doesn't matter if it's bullshit.
bleak echo
or use the charges to bully the accused into a plea bargain
pure jetty
When it comes to marking citizens as terrorists it take a lot of proof on the Government's side
or use the charges to bully the accused into a plea bargain
This is more likely
white wing
Wait who tolerates school shootings?
bleak echo
america
bleak echo
then why do school shootings keep happening so much more often in the US than everywhere else
white wing
Are you implying that because there are more school shootings in the US that means america tolerates school shootings?
bleak echo
yes
white wing
Alright well I disagree due to the fact that the US charges those criminals and doesn't just let them do as they please.
bleak echo
what kind of logic is that? judt because there is some reaction doesn't mean there isn't loads more the US could do
and any preventative action not taken indicates a tolerance for a certain amount of school shootings
white wing
Do you and I have different definition for tolerate?
bleak echo
wait what he's actually proposing that now
do you not know the definition of tolerate seki?
white wing
I mean I do but you do you?
It could also be different per country
Here you go just so you can understand what tolerate means and why I am confused with the statement that "The US tolerates school shootings"
bleak echo
they accept the behaviour by only doing any sort of punishment afterwards lol
I mean you already lost when it sounded like you were trying to defend killing children lol
white wing
No one accepts the behavior otherwise people wont be condemning school shooters.
dafuq
when did I defend killing children?
Do you know how insane you sound right now?
Damn
As far as me using the dictionary it was more targeted towards z0w0 because I don't know they know what tolerate means.
bleak echo
I mean it sounds more like you're unfamiliar with any discussion on workplace safety
white wing
I mean maybe but I'm pretty sure that they thought I was defending killing children at some point. I don't know when but at some point that's what they thought I was arguing.
bleak echo
or: not preventing predictable hazards is tolerance
white wing
So what do you want the US to do in response to school shootings?
The most theyโve done is start training teachers on how to deal with an active shooter by having an air soft war in the school.
Huh?
bleak echo
whatever it takes, restrict gun access, shut down every gun manufacturer if you have to
white wing
So you want to restrict gun access to law abiding citizens? In which case most shooting's the shooter obtained the gun illegally in the first place so how are laws going to stop a shooter?
Mental health reform makes sense gun control on the other hand for the most part makes no sense.
bleak echo
if there are fewer guns there's fewer guns to obtain illegally
white wing
What restrictions then?
You realize that almost every country in the world manufactures guns?
bleak echo
let's stop then
bleak echo
why not
white wing
yes there are more guns than people
but stopping isn't going to do anything
the guns are still going to be there
No what about supplying the military with guns?
so keep manufacturing guns?
but only for the military?
well I asked a question I didn't twist your words but alright...
brisk cradle
I'll just say this: my reference to America "tolerating" school shootings is perhaps not literally accurate but I think the assessment is fair. See also: Sandy Hook.
white wing
What about Sandy Hook specifically?
Also I don't think the assessment is fair but if you where trying to drive a point then okay makes sense.
brisk cradle
It's not literally accurate as the shooters are usually brought to justice. But I think I'm still in the clear as there is precisely no change that comes from each shooting. We went from Columbine to Sandy Hook, and we've effectively tacitly accepted that school shootings happen and we've decided to do nothing about it. The closest the US has come to any serious action is with what happened in Parkland, Florida, but even that was a pretty mild reform in a very swingy (albeit more red-leaning as of late) swing state.
The point is that we sacrifice everything for the "freedom" of Wall Street elites and the NRA, and all they do is loot and promote the killing of the American people.
And you wonder why socialism is so popular
More and more people are getting fed up with the corrupted, broken system
white wing
I think that's false. It is sad to see that there isn't anything blatant happening but there are things that are happening. Not regarding new laws that are being put into place the reason why the process is so slow is because there are a lot of people with different opinions on how to deal with the topic, and those people are still discussing how to deal with the issue. But more often than not people demonize the other side and just start yelling at each other.
brisk cradle
wat
white wing
Hold up you're bringing up too many points I can't respond to all of them so quickly.
brisk cradle
we've been "discussing how to deal with the issue" for years, and each time it's been "lolnope"
gotta have that sweet bribe cash
white wing
No we have been discussing how to deal with the issue and there have been laws put in place that to counter people shooting up places. But I'll argue that those laws are stupid and only restrict those who follow the law.
brisk cradle
again, not literally but I'm pretty sure virtually unlimited super PAC spending and expecting/anticipating favors is a close equivalent of bribes
So what's your solution? Zero gun control laws? Because that vision is just going to lead to more shootings, not less.
white wing
I mean one of the biggest criticism or praise the trump administration has seen was the ban of bump stocks.
Oh my solution?
Good question.
brisk cradle
Banning bump stocks are a tiny half-measure conocted to quiet a few people
The GOP is of course a party of Second Amendment fetishists nowadays
white wing
I think that if I'm a shooter my targets will be places where I will meet the least resistance. I would also like to target an area that has a lot of people. Does that sound logical?
brisk cradle
So of course it wasn't popular, but it's Daddy God-Emperor Trump, so it's all good
Anyway, it's late. I need sleep.
white wing
Ah good night.
If you want to keep discussing just @ me I wont mind
But I'm just going to get my scenario across since I think it's important to figure out how school shooters think before talking about what to do with laws and such.
So if I were to list a few targets for examples: Gun store, Gun show, Gun free zone that has a concert in it, school with high security that can arm itself if need be, and a regular school.
Out of those targets, the biggest no no for a school shooter will be the gun store. Why? It's because it's a low population area and it's most likely highly armed with security (being the owner, employees, and some of the customers). I forgot to bring this up but shooting ranges would be in a similar situation.
The Gun show on the other hand seems like a good target at first since it has a lot of people on it, until you realize that there are a lot of armed people there that will most likely stop you before you can do a lot of damage.
Alight now lets talk about a normal school. Most schools have very relaxed security and the guards don't even carry guns, unless you live in NYC (Like I did), and there is scanners and police that are armed. But in this example we are going to talk about a school with lax security. This location has a lot of people who would offer little to no resistance to the shooter and the security won't have the tools to stop you. So this is a perfect target.
Now the Gun free zone with the concert in it is an even better target for the shooter. Since he wont be dealing with any security and there are going to be a lot of people out in the open in one spot for the shooter.
Now the last example that I skipped over is a school with high security that can arm itself. What this means is that there is security at the school and normally they could have weapons on them (just a pistol), and if need be they can arm themselves with a rifle from a secured area. Now it's very similar to a normal school in the shooters perspective but now there is resistance that would stop him. Now at this point the shooter has lost all incentive or proceeds to plan, in this case there are two main options. first target the security or target the kids and deal with security later.
If the shooter targets the security he will be meet with bullets and again the damage would be minimal compared to not having that security. Or he can target the kids and the security will have a much easier time responding to him shooting.
But before I go further just need to make sure people are find with these presuppositions. Then we can move on to how does a school shooter obtain a gun.
Also mainly going to reference this in upcoming discussion of mass shootings: https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/pre-attack-behaviors-of-active-shooters-in-us-2000-2013.pdf/view
dense carbon
Take note that gun free zone does not equate to no security. I agree with your stance (I think?) just making sure that is understood
shy gulch
The gun argument is a hard one. The ideology around the Second Amendment is great. The second amendment is in place as a way to give the population a chance to fight back a possible tyrannical US government. The idea of telling a countries citizens to take arms if their own government became a tyrannical dictatorship is a great idea to put behind a country. Like many American Ideals this has been forgot. No mater what anyone says the founding fathers of the USA could not comprehend the weapons we currently have or the dilemma facing them. Americans always try to challenge issues with complete opposition reforms. People need to put aside the idea of out right banning guns in the USA because both culturally and technically we are not ready for that. Completely banning guns will and can cause issues. Before looking at the idea of banning guns the utter garbage laws behind them need to be dealt with. The gun laws in the US are confusing, both overly/lightly enforced depended on a case by case scenario, and have hundreds of loopholes. I personally think gun laws need to be clearly placed FEDERALLY and a large amount of high capacity magazine auto weapons should be outlawed. Personal opinions aside no mater what your opinions are the back round checking system is GARBAGE and guns can be obtained pretty easily behind a lot of major loop holes. The way guns are identified in the US in major states is based off components. You can have a fully auto shotgun then extend the barrel and stock, shorten the grip whilst messing with a few other components, and then that gun will fall under a completely different class. Some people dont even know guns are legal in Canada. Canadas purchasing system is very up to date and has extensive back round checks. In Canada if you are struggling mentally with almost any condition INCLUDING depression your license will be revoked until mentally healthy in which your license will be given back after multiple check ups and check offs.
Canadas laws surrounding self-defense with guns gets a bit complicated but most of the Laws are very clear and well done. I recommend looking into them. Pro Gun and Anti Gun arguments aside it is a simple and obvious fact that US gun laws MUST have major reform with way better laws.
white wing
You can't have fully auto anything in the US without a class 3 license if you want to have a modern rifle or you need to buy on that was made before may 1968 and on top of that a 200 dollar application fee for every automatic weapon you own if you don't have a class 3 license.
The biggest problem with the law in general and guns is that you have people who are very good at making law but at the same time don't understand firearms. As far as Canadian gun laws work, from my Canadian friends the laws up there are also dumb and make no sense as well. It doesn't help that they just banned 1500+ guns iirc in response to a shooting, but those laws would have done nothing to prevent that person since he already got his weapons illegally.
clever badge
they should simply let me have many guns and nobody else have any guns
white wing
@clever badge just become king
clever badge
i currenly own a large mexican cartel
white wing
Then your basically king
clever badge
think about it like this: illegal guns come from legal guns
trudeau's plan is limiting the upstream
there's still smuggling from other countries, but they probably have data on this
white wing
That's still not a good argument to limit legal gun sales.
clever badge
aren't most of the guns they banned automatic rifles?
white wing
automatic rifles are banned yes. But it makes no sense since it's really easy to convert a semi gun to auto.
clever badge
well you have to start somewhere
white wing
what do you mean the law does nothing to stop someone from converting their gun to full auto other than wanting to be law abiding.
Plus you can always bumpfire since you don't need a bump stock to do so
clever badge
okay then let's ban semiautomatics
white wing
almost every gun is semiautomatic....
clever badge
correct
tell me why someone would ever need anything other than a singleshot handgun
white wing
For the 2 million estimated cases of prevented crimes in the united states. (or is it billion I don't remember)
I think that's a USCB stat
right here is the bump fire vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezN7fXRZmJw
white wing
To get rid of the massive hog problem in texas for example
To hunt
To defend themselfs
clever badge
hunting is meaningless, hogs can be taken out by air with snipers
white wing
Idk you can think of a few reasons
clever badge
defending yourself can be done with a handgun
white wing
oh you really don't know anything about the hog problem in texas
a bolt action sniper won't help at all
yes a handgun is semi lmao
plus they are the types of guns to be used in mass shootings
clever badge
all handguns aren't semi
white wing
basically all of them are semi
Unless you're talking about a black powder gun
I can think of only one bolt action handgun.
clever badge
Just like a gun that shoots once
white wing
You realize that a gun that shoots once isn't useful for self defense?
clever badge
clearly I mean a gun that shoots once per trigger pull
white wing
If you're a good hunter yes but then your also going to increase the time that an animal is in pain if your shot misses.
That is what semi means.....
clever badge
There's c learly different types of semiautomatic
and any handgun that can be easily converted should just be banned
shy gulch
Its all bs. A 22 cal will disable someone plain and simple.
And if not pu another one into them
white wing
@shy gulch I don't think anyone said it wouldn't
white wing
also yes there are different semi-automatic guns and all of them you can shoot quickly
got it wont ping sorry about that
clever badge
Gun development should evolve into limiting things
There's engineers, put them at work
a semiautomatic should not be capable of firing automatically
shy gulch
A handgun wont take out a school hallway as effectively as a fucking 25 duel mag AR :p
All Automatic weapons and modifications should be banned along with a handful of semi automatic weapons. A handgun is more then enough.
white wing
a handgun is much more effective in a CQB environment up against unarmored targets.
All automatic modification are already banned.....
And all automatic guns after 1984 are already banned
The ones that aren't are all registered and very expensive.
clever badge
The issue clearly builds on societal issues regarding trust and neighborhood friendliness
the problem is not guns the problem is taking your dads gun out of the closet to shoot your class mates
white wing
Guys these are basic gun facts it's not something that I have to keep repeating over and over again.
clever badge
pretty sure I've seen tons of shootings with AR15s
white wing
hmmm
shy gulch
A basic fact is automatic rifles are legal to this day?
clever badge
pretty sure there's a name for this fallacy
shy gulch
Auto guns are sold and manufactured
clever badge
I got bad memoryu
shy gulch
Variants of auto weapons from 1984 as well
clever badge
Wow you're using thetrace.org as a source?
white wing
You need a class 3 license to have one
clever badge
Cringe
shy gulch
3 > 1 so we good
white wing
moist that's what I said
shy gulch
Big bad license
Throwing a license on a weapon does not make it impossible to obtain. Its all about the process
white wing
Do you know the process to obtain a class 3 license is?
shy gulch
These school shooting that have happened with auto weapons have been proven to could have been avoided. These people showed multiple signs of violence and mental instability.
white wing
I don't think there ever was a school shooting with an auto weapon.....
shy gulch
o_o
white wing
Either way you're going to be much more effective shooting people with semi. Full auto is only really good to suppress people.
Yes moist I'm serious find me one school shooting in where a automatic weapon was used.
If you do find one it would most likely be very difficult.
But either way a handgun is going to be the most effective weapon in a CQB environment like a school where you're dealing with unarmored targets. That or an SMG not a rifle.
clever badge
Lanza used a Bushmaster Model XM15-E2S rifle, a type of AR-15 semiautomatic rifle, in the Sandy Hook shooting.
ah shit
I was right again fuck
white wing
yes semiautomatic
clever badge
A type of AR-15
white wing
again you're not disproving my point...
let me requote myself and you can check to see if the message is edited
white wing
most shootings don't happen with rifles...
https://discordapp.com/channels/289587909051416579/738890587721302097/741969235106070599
clever badge
This one did
white wing
okay so what point are you trying to disprove then?
Just to support my point with another stat: https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/
I can also get FBI stats too
white wing
That still supports my claim.
At least from first glance I would really have to count these up and use a spread sheet
clever badge
A rifle was associated with almost every 'major' shooting with more deaths
probably because it's easier to shoot more people with bigger and faster gun
white wing
Ah "major"
clever badge
I've been googling way too many things today man I don't know about this
white wing
then yes sure but again a pistol is much easier to use in a CQB school environment
No you may have a point if you classify major shootings. But then what defines "major"?
clever badge
More deaths than the median
clever badge
by looking at it with my eyes
white wing
ah
but that would be lower than the average I would think
the median that is
but yeah lets say 10
are we only counting deaths or also injury?
clever badge
Who cares
my point is I don't think the AR15 and its 'semiautomatic' versions should be legal
white wing
Well I would think you do since you want to ban these weapons
clever badge
because the major shootings seem to involve at least one rifle
white wing
AR15 is a version of different rifles just to be clear.
There are many other rifle types other than the AR 15 that are much more suited for mass shootings. Especially bullpup style weapons.
But again rifles are barely used in many crimes and just because a gun was use in one shooting doesn't mean that it wasn't used in conjunction with other guns.
Heck if you really want to do a lot of damage you can get a shotgun spray some buckshot into a group of people to immobilize them and finish them off with a shot gun.
Point is banning rifles isn't going to stop mass shootings.
clever badge
The point is banning rifles isn't going to stop mass shootings, but it's likely to lower the amount of deaths resulting from a mass shooting
since it's easier to kill more people with a faster and stronger weapon
The concept of a mass shooting results from societal problems that can't be solved by banning guns
white wing
Compared to the bigger picture gun deaths are nothing compared to other stats
https://www.fbi.gov/about/partnerships/office-of-partner-engagement/active-shooter-incidents-graphics
And there are other ways of killing people other than guns that are much more effective
wikipedia is a bad source but I'm being lazy atm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year
so we're comparing 0.3 deaths per day from active shooters to 90 people a day from vehicle deaths
If you really want to save the most amount of live you would want to spread information of the importance of safely driving.
clever badge
but we're talking about shootings
clever badge
The reason they may want to commit a mass shooting is more relevant than the method used
Clearly there's a mental problem stemming from Society
white wing
yeah and the problem is figuring out how to find people with those mental problems and keep them away from guns/vehicles or anything else that's dangerous while not encroaching on peoples rights.
clever badge
Despite that, there's still no reason for a normal person to own a rifle
clever badge
Shooting quail in your back yard is a pointless act and you do not need a rifle for this
white wing
never speak in absolutes
clever badge
I'm not going to follow this rule
white wing
Again I'll refer to the hog infestation in texas
clever badge
fine, hog problem, this activity should be limited and monitored
white wing
Also bears your best bet is to stay away from one but if one rushes your or is rabid you better have the stopping power to deal with it.
clever badge
It's not something that should be done without proper supervision. No act involving a rifle should be done without supervision
white wing
It already is being monitored but texas has had to resort to asking civilians to help with the problem since there are so many of them.
clever badge
then I clearly disagree with the state of Texas
white wing
No you don't understand the severity of the problem.
And from this conversation you didn't have a basic understanding on how firearms work from the get go, even the basic definitions.
clever badge
so everyone in the US should be allowed to own a rifle because there's a hog problem in Texas
white wing
Unless I'm mistaking you for someone else but I'm pretty sure the two people I talked to didn't know the basics. I could be wrong though.
No not everyone
The law abiding and mentaly sane
clever badge
yes have fun vetting 300 million people
white wing
exactly the problem
clever badge
what if they're sane at first and then go fucking crazy after purchasing gun
Oops I went crazy oops
white wing
plus who's going to define what's mentaly sane or not
clever badge
so clearly giving the 'mentally sane' a rifle is a ridiculous idea because you can't possibly screen 300 million people
We have drones now let's kill hogs with drones
problem solved no more rifles
white wing
well no you attach a gun to the drones
it's still a gun
plus now you have drones that are now better at killing than humans? plus they don't put the operator at risk?
clever badge
How are you going to get a drone into a school
white wing
hmm might want one to commit a mass shooting, at least that's what someone who wants to kill people would think.
clever badge
it's more effective meaning less people have to do it, which means an easier situation to screen for sanity
white wing
wait are you talking about those jet powered large expensive drones?
clever badge
You set up a team of Drone fuckers who fly around texas shooting hogs
working eight hours a day
white wing
They probably already do that tbh
Plus you still have to equip the drones with guns.
I also think your underestimating how large texas is
clever badge
I'm giving you solutions and you're just continuously handing me shitty scenarios where the solutions won't work
white wing
No you're giving me shitty solutions
clever badge
You're going to have mass shootings as long as the public is allowed access to rifles and as long as you keep avoiding the problem of the huge zeitgeist of malintent that looms over your country
white wing
and it's not shitty scenarios it's what is actually the case
zeitgeist?
new word for me
cool
white wing
oh wait
what does malintent mean?
oh wait no I think I got it
"The intention to harm someone or engage in wrongdoing." right?
white wing
Yes but I don't know if maybe you have another idea for what the word means. I'm checking up to see if we're on the same page about what you said.
icy fiber
Pineapple DOES go on pizza
white wing
I would argue that there is no zeitgeist of malintent in the US
Protato no it does but it sure does taste good.
Very wrong but very good
clever badge
then why are your kids shooting each other
white wing
Most aren't referencing this again https://discordapp.com/channels/289587909051416579/738890587721302097/741976753177755709
This issue encompasses a small minority
white wing
clever badge
but it's still happening and not really happening anywhere else
It is what it is? Is that what you're saying
white wing
not denying that though
nope not saying that either
there is a problem but not the way you phrased it
pure jetty
God damnit I leave for one day and y'all have a gun control debate
white wing
never too late to join in on the conversation
plucky geyser
nice
faint radish
simply because there "isn't a reason for doing something" is NOT a reason for making it illegal
especially if its "I can't think of a reason for doing/owning something".
lethal rose
People suck ass
oh shit feminazi i a thing
"how has whiteness limited feminism" dafu
"no uterus no rights to talk about it"
dafuw
lethal rose
"they literally just fired a white guy for being a whiteguy, he is the victim" : some guy, some feminist "That's... not true"
Love it
a lot of these feminists are worse than spigot
It's entertaining
plush crypt
why do people in the US even have anything against abortion
land of the free or something, what happened to free will and free choice?
balmy quartz
free for me but not for you dumfuk
plush crypt
lmao
lethal rose
Just become a satanist
faint radish
Prox, people against abortion would say... well you aren't giving the life you are killing a choice... so I'm not sure that is a counter to pro-lifers
plush crypt
i find it ironic they have something they'd like to pitch in with on a matter that is entirely subjective and could be left to the private; don't americans hate regulations and shit too?
faint radish
right, but again, its not subjective to them, pro life people think that any abortion is the killing of a human. and I'm gonna guess they are also anti-murder. Not many americans are for getting rid of murder being illegal.
plush crypt
but the fact that it's more of a 50/50 than murder being 99.999/x proves it's subjective, though
faint radish
"I killed this person over here cause they gave me a sandwich with mustard on it, but since you don't have any relation to them and have never met them before or heard of them, its private and not your business to say whether its right or wrong"
plush crypt
but the fact that it's more of a 50/50 than murder being 99.999/x proves it's subjective, though
faint radish
ok, but now it becomes a matter of degrees, how many people have to agree with something before it OK to do it? regardless of whether its actually right.
or do you think what should be allowed is simply what the majority of people think at a given time?
plush crypt
that is how politics and therefore also laws work, yes
lethal rose
Did they ban ejaculation yet? What about menstruation
plush crypt
ban condoms too
and STDs while we're at it
vaccines? you're not giving the viruses and bacteria a choice...........
plush crypt
imagine being allowed to decide over your OWN body
it's as if the government has no control lmfao, fuck the private and the individual, it's all government property now
lethal rose
Glad i live in denmark
Ahhahahaha these people are so stupid
Watch some sjws owned compilations
weary lake
I mean, once I'm dead they can take all my organs, but it's nice to give people the option to choose for themselves.
bleak echo
you can make anyone look stupid on video lol jan
bleak echo
especially if you get to pick the video clips you use
lethal rose
โOf course we live in a rape cultureโ
bleak echo
is that supposed to be controversial?
lethal rose
Itโs fun when they just yell it
Iโd be more inclined to believe it if they provided some sources other than their own emotions
white wing
Saying the other sides opinion doesn't matter sounds pretty unproductive and toxic to me.
Talking in strawman arguments also doesn't help too much.
lethal rose
Replying to me?
white wing
I don't think so, but you seem to be very edgy so I don't know what to make of you.
white wing
well you where really random when you first started out 5 hours ago and I couldn't really figure out what you where saying.
pure jetty
Weeb
elder portal
I think it's because it's finally dead
Long and painful death it has been
That drama started when I was doing actual game dev not involving Minecraft
Long time ago
The one constant over all of my development career has been my interest in security. I chose correctly, I think
/non-politics
near glen
Interesting take on the WeChat ban: if Trump bans wechat, that means apple can't have it in its store anymore, which means for Chinese ppl there is no way to get WeChat on an iPhone, which makes the phone basically usless
So the WeChat ban helps Huawei
Removing WeChat from iPhones is like a death sentence to apple in the Chinese market
Not that anybody down there was really buying iPhones anyways ๐คท
shy gulch
big brain
lethal rose
I was told not do post stupid shit in general and post it here instead
weak wolf
? That makes no sense. All everyone does in this server is post stupid shit.
pure jetty
Interesting take on the WeChat ban: if Trump bans wechat, that means apple can't have it in its store anymore, which means for Chinese ppl there is no way to get WeChat on an iPhone, which makes the phone basically usless
@near glen Apple has had a separate app store in China for a while now. However I don't know if they can put WeChat on the app store even in China only legally with that executive order so that will be interesting
WeChat being banned in the first place doesn't make sense anyway
It's barely used in the United States and pretty much only cutting off the United States and China communication
near glen
Yeah I know they have their own stores with different policies, but it's still run by apple, right? They would need to sell the store to tencent or somebody else to get around it
And yes, the WeChat ban is just to piss china off I would assume
pure jetty
Yeah I know they have their own stores with different policies, but it's still run by apple, right? They would need to sell the store to tencent or somebody else to get around it
Yeah this is a gray area
I don't know how they would get around this but I'm sure they'd find a way
near glen
Just an interesting angle, which highlights how dum and not thought thru these EOs are and how they end up hurting America, it's buisnesses and the customers
Like, the whole Qualcomm not being able to sell to Huawei thing is a huge downer for them too
And all that without proper ratification, yeehhaaa, democracy!
brisk cradle
In the end, Trump just gave a massive gift to China under the guise of hurting China. Big brain.
I don't expect the situation to improve much even after the election. Trump will continue down this path, while Biden will have extreme pressure applied to continue the same anti-China actions as China hate is bipartisan.
faint radish
I mean... im 100% down with hating the chinese gov...
so if biden wins, and he continues to pressure china... im all for it
near glen
its not the what, its the how thats the problem here
challenging china for its ignorance of human rights is a good thing
but like, if you want to fight them on that, at least say thats you are sanctioning X because they do Y
not just like hui buh national security1111!!
opal moat
It's always just "china bad buhuhu" but never any actual good points or arguments
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what about muslim camps and authoritarian government that runs all companies and denial of massacres
not to mention the controlling of citizens by banning random letters and a yellow cartoon pig
lets also not discuss how they completely ignore climate change
opal moat
I'm not saying that the government of China isn't bad. I'm saying that it's always just "china bad" and a hatred against china without any arguments. There are arguments, I'm not denying that, but those are rarely brought up
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and get absolutely no consequences doing whatever they want because of their major grip on western society
lets not talk about how they bully and fuck with taiwan on a regular basis
elder portal
Yeah, I don't think anyone is saying China isn't bad
Or the Chinese govt
More specifically
opal moat
"china bad" is shit, because it sounds like hatred without reason.
"chinese government bad because of concentration camps" is not bad
opal moat
not true
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i just posted like 15 reasons why china bad
opal moat
You can't blame the politics of an authoritarian government on the people, culture, geography etc. The country china is not inherently bad
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theres stuff there as well man, it's not as bad i guess
they still eat bats and leave kids in the woods
i dont respect this culture
opal moat
ah yes, racist stereotypes, here we are again
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i can't criticize a bad culture because that means i'm racist
elder portal
Stereotypes in general, really
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it's not a generalization based on race, it's just a fact that the chinese markets contain 90% of living creatures