He included the target folder
#the-silents
wise crater
digital kite
I mean, talk about a foundation of shit
fair prawn
they haven't even forked essentials
just copying and pasting code from essentialsx as they see fit
digital kite
mfw
If I could be arsed, I'd creating a licensing issue on their tracker
I mean, they probs don't care, but, like; ๐ฅ
wise crater
Lol, they got a heal package for 1 class
fair prawn
if I could be arsed, I'd DMCA all the code they've ripped from EssX that I wrote
wise crater
You seen the ip he put in his essentials database?
fair prawn
more ๐ฟ: they starting writing their own Essentials plugin because I told them I wouldn't give them a developer rank for free and they couldn't figure out how to PR
digital kite
I'm not sure them not knowing how to PR is a bad thing
wise crater
Is it really that hard to pr?
zinc summit
according to BomBardyGamer, yes
lost chasm
why would they "copy" essentials and not just like PR
fair prawn
They DMed asking for me to make them a "developer"
I just replied "make a PR" to which they responded "how do I get PR"
so uh
they've probably only just figured out how to make a PR, idk
last marsh
seems legit to me
severe lava
just to be clear, MD is lying. It's very clear from the source code
// Plugin made by TacticalDev
// Do not copy this plugin, and use it in you're own plugins.
// This plugin belong to Joran (TacticalDev) Discord: Joran#7925
see?
burnt nest
xd
stiff pulsar
was about to pr this to his repo, but I don't want to endanger my account for a bad joke lmao https://i.imgur.com/dyOoER7.png
stiff pulsar
feral crane
fair prawn
are you in his Discord lmao
stiff pulsar
no, only share moss with him... disabled private messages over it now ๐ฆฅ
zinc summit
@stiff pulsar wait I can report people for doing that?
someone did that to my repo and theyre a transphobic troll and i wouldnt mind being an ahole if it meant they got banned
stiff pulsar
Last time Iโve reported someone has been a while back, but you can of course report someone for writing insulting/harmful texts in issues, prs, comments
so yeah report that person, GH is usually good at deleting messages or even suspending those kind of people :p
digital kite
The trans people! They're coming for us!
I sorta don't understand why people can't just get along
It's so much more effort to deal with drama than to just say "You know what, I disagree with that persons lifestyle, so, imma just go drink"
stiff pulsar
If youโve been brought up to hate other people with supposedly โbadโ behavior or views, thereโs little you can do to convince them otherwise without knowing them personally 
Usually just people circle jerking in their isolated group of friends until they forget that thereโs actually things around them
digital kite
That is kinda true, tbqh; My father was one of those "i'm not racist" people
I had some troubles when I was younger, but more in the childish "first wird that comes to your head type deals"; These days it's just, I'll get along with anybody and safely retreat where not ๐คทโโ๏ธ
grand girder
I sorta don't understand why people can't just get along
stinky cat
digital kite
eat poop u fuq
graceful widget
does drinking cat poop coffee count as eating poop
tough widget
*drinking poop
digital kite
yes
grand girder
๐ฉ
lofty goblet
Hahaha kopi luwak coffee.
long stone
hm
why do you look familiar @hollow tulip
GingerGeek?
aha
:D
kashike knows all
@graceful widget what picture?
this?
far right?
aaron
short wave
๐
small ocean
๐ gotta get lunch
small ocean
Maybe you are and bound every key to PTT
fair prawn
That's a lot of keybindings
zinc summit
discord probably messed up (surprise surprise) and switched me to voice activity or smth
long stone
not gonna happen
dusk radish
o/
fair prawn
ehhhhh
zinc summit
btw kash can/should geyser be added to #community-guilds
long stone
no idea what that is
hollow tulip
fair prawn
hey prof and proxi
zinc summit
big channel over a million subs
glacial aspen
curse only owns dev bukkit afaik
fair prawn
Bukkit forums are under CurseForge which is being bought out by Overwolf
Curse doesn't exist any more, it got split up
glacial aspen
f
zinc summit
just like all the monopolistic companies should do!
glacial aspen
md with his 0xdcfe iq
fair prawn
Most former Curse forums/wikis are now run by Wikia
zinc summit
:(
long stone
what is a voice
zinc summit
i got work soon i so expect people to be here in 5 hours when i get home
fair prawn
Wouldn't be surprised chew
fair prawn
demon?
long stone
phoenix
fair prawn
oh also hangar's shared auth code is (pretty much) done now \o/
hollow tulip
@long stone GeyserMC Guild Link: https://discord.com/invite/7ZDSKa5
zinc summit
it's a banger
hollow tulip
fair prawn
McGeyser
zinc summit
zinc summit
there isn't a #paper-the-silents
fair prawn
hello glarรฉ
molten sage
manic patrol
"We have since banned that developer"
loud sky
loud sky
fair prawn
hollow tulip
zinc summit
if you click on the emoji it tells you where it's from
long stone
however
loud sky
zinc summit
if it's a public server anyway
loud sky
zinc summit
in america we pronounce your name "Zee"
long stone
hollow tulip
๐
fair prawn
imagine having NDAs for emotes
zinc summit
imagine having emotes
hidden torrent
loud sky
minecoder posted it in the cube discord 3 years ago 
hollow tulip
ah well he did take the photo
long stone
<3
fair prawn
loud sky
manic patrol
Whoa, Ed Shereen as a kid.
long stone
zinc summit
loud sky
hollow tulip
potent locust
zinc summit
my only Zed emoji
loud sky
pls camo
zinc summit
dont u fuckin swear on my christian server
stiff dome
zed we're going to lynch you
long stone
don't worry zed, i got you covered
stiff dome
so what's happenin' and poppin' in this here voice channel?
dusk radish
Planning on taking over the world!
stiff dome
does everyone just hang out here with their mic muted so they don't feel so lonely? I do that too often lol
long stone
say hello zed
fair prawn
everywhere
zinc summit
kash is everywhere
stiff dome
don'tya'kno, zed? kash is multiple people
long stone
say hello, zed!
fair prawn
kash knows more about Minecraft than the entirety of Mojang
zinc summit
kash is multiple people depending on the day
manic patrol
Do you work at any restaurant in Canada? He's a VIP member.
short wave
lmao
long stone
@hollow tulip say something, we miss you in this text chat
hollow tulip
hello
manic patrol
Discord said "Zed said 'hello'"
stiff dome
:fluSHEDdd:
loud sky
nah he's a fake
wild wedge
long stone
role literally won't move up
stiff dome
dangit >:(
hollow tulip
security there seems to be a fanboi amongst our midst
wild wedge
sign my minecraft skin
potent locust
Bruh
loud sky
fair prawn
rip kash
stiff dome
there goes kashike
fair prawn
wb kash
stiff dome
probably got offended that you used an uppercase k
wild wedge
speaking of geyser
fair prawn
kashiKe
loud sky
whats geyser?
wild wedge
redned pls
stiff dome
.g geyser
long stone
hi @hollow tulip
zinc summit
does bedrock even have enchanting
loud sky
yeah
hollow tulip
Hello
stiff dome
hmm, is it g.?
hollow tulip
Is it me you're looking for
zinc summit
@stiff dome no irc relay here why do i think im chatting on discord
hollow tulip
thank you kash, very cool!
dusk radish
It's .g, but I think it only works in main channels.
zinc summit
only works in #general #paper-dev #paper-help #waterfall-dev #waterfall-help
stiff dome
ah alright, because it's an irc bot right?
long stone
you're no fun, zed
zinc summit
yes
long stone
not accepting friend requests even
loud sky
now we just need to put the gg role above project developer and all will be good
zinc summit
only server owner can do that
hollow tulip
I have them disabled for community safety reasons, sorry
I've sent you a request though ๐ ๐ ๐ฅบ
long stone
wild wedge
epic
long stone
sends Zed top secret information
hollow tulip
yes
zinc summit
kash has never dm'd me
short wave
mcdonalds coupons
stiff dome
why would you be biased?
fair prawn
I don't have a voice today
long stone
I feel you are biased
zinc summit
geyser improves bedrock by just making it java
long stone
the what
fair prawn
the yes yes
stiff dome
did cubecraft create geyser?
stiff dome
looking at geysermc organization on github, has quite the few cubecraft devs on there
oh okay
supreme dictatorship?
loud sky
lol
manic patrol
Kim Jung Un it
zinc summit
there was dragonproxy, but it merged into geyser
fair prawn
Paper voice chat aka "Q&A with a CubeCraft developer"
manic patrol
Q&A with Ed Sheeren
stiff dome
I'm unironically confused on whether or not zed is ed sheeran
whoa whoa whoa, camotoy
zinc summit
by md not that one
stiff dome
like
long stone
no leaving
fair prawn
oh
stiff dome
I'm just looking at the geysermc organization and the voice chat
zinc summit
because he's md6848375
short wave
๐ช ๐ซ
stiff dome
I'm pretty sure geyser is planning a coup on paper just so you know, kash
loud sky
1s I'll join too ๐
potent locust
๐
zinc summit
if you add up the member coutns on all the servers im mod on, it's almost 10k
potent locust
@analog dagger ๐
zinc summit
get the entire geyser squad to get kash to add geyser to #community-guilds and rename it to #community-servers
is whats his name here
luke
potent locust
And he's not in this server, surprisingly.
zinc summit
:(
see i would contribute to geyser but no clue what to do or how/where to add it lol
potent locust
Honestly fair. Sometimes I don't know either!
stiff dome
I'd contribute to geyser but I'm pretty sure they're a front for the mafia and not actually related to minecraft
potent locust
ono
zinc summit
in this house we do not conspiracy theory
hollow tulip
@long stone #ff8c00 is more my colour ๐
stiff dome
icky mafia, gross
potent locust
@loud sky Are we a front for the mafia and you didn't tell me?
long stone
like so?
hollow tulip
testing 12
long stone
discord roles are fucked
zinc summit
yessir
long stone
role keeps moving by itself
zinc summit
sounds like discord
zinc summit
dusk radish
But, it's orange-ish still.
stiff dome
:hmm:
hollow tulip
i need to stand out in chat
stiff dome
alright that's it, how do I buy nitro
long stone
now?
stiff dome
yeah
zinc summit
donate to paper or geyser instead
hollow tulip
test 1 2
potent locust
We don't have donations right now. :/
zinc summit
paper it is
potent locust
heheh
stiff dome
I'm not donating to the mafia >:(
zinc summit
set up github sponsors then!
hollow tulip
I need to figure out how taxes work
manic patrol
Mfw people think taxes are real
hollow tulip
that's the main reason we don't have sponsors / donations for Geyser or Cloudburst
zinc summit
you people pay taxes?
zinc summit
GitHub Sponsors makes you fill out tax forms
analog dagger
hol up, hello?
zinc summit
it handles it for you
potent locust
RTM we're raiding the voice chat.
zinc summit
Yeah, I did
analog dagger
Someone mind filling me in, since I missed whatever was goin on?
zinc summit
were talking geyser and gh sponsors
analog dagger
ah
manic patrol
Tl;dr apparently taxes are real
potent locust
I noticed Redned and Zed here so I joined and it became a Geyser raid.
Had to get you on it too!
zinc summit
yep
loud sky
๐
potent locust
๐
stiff dome
hey, so you guys are professional developers
do you have any tips for someone like me who has royally no idea what they're doing? (i'm great at english)
dusk radish
Tips on what?
stiff dome
hmm, I'm not sure. development in general, I suppose
dusk radish
Do lots of fun projects? ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
analog dagger
^
dusk radish
What "level" are you on?
If you want to make plugins or whatever - learn java first, then just start writing whatever you want. I feel like having a server helps, cause you come up with ideas that you have a real use case for.
manic patrol
Is there something specific about the game you always have felt was missing? Something you want to change?
That's how I got started with plugins.
dusk radish
Or contribute to opensource projects - find something you don't like, try changing it and PRing upstream.
long stone
I want oreos in Minecraft
short wave
:O
analog dagger
https://i.warosu.org/data/g/img/0720/91/1564420563911.png This is a pretty good list, took me a min to find it
manic patrol
For example, a group of us wanted to watch OnlyFans in Minecraft, thus, Holovid was born.
analog dagger
sounds like 
dusk radish
I got started by helping out on a server, got asked to change small thing in a abandoned plugin -> decompiled it, rewrote it cause it was shit. My first contact with Java and plugin dev.
stiff dome
that's a great list, thanks rtm
manic patrol
Here's the first plugin I ever wrote https://paste.helpch.at/igilajojiw.java
hollow tulip
yes I show as ginger now on my client
potent locust
xd
long stone
:D
potent locust
Petition for Redned to get No Table.
long stone
tried what
analog dagger
But what if he wants a table?
potent locust
Zed doesn't get a table so why should Redned?
analog dagger
Cause Redned is better ๐
potent locust
True, true /s
analog dagger
loving the random activations from redneds mic with no noise
potent locust
xd
long stone
fuck lombok
potent locust
I was about to update to IntelliJ 2020.2 and then thankfully saw that error.
potent locust
Oh dang Zed you PR'd there, nice.
analog dagger
I just have that version ignored for now
potent locust
:/
analog dagger
oof
potent locust
Poor issues page has about ten issues about the incompatibility.
fair prawn
fuck lombok = fumbok
dusk radish
That's why I switched to Kotlin. Java is way too verbose.
short wave
I understand why some people like the verbosity, but I don't
potent locust
One of our contributors is trying to make a plugin API for Geyser (which includes Javadocs) and we use Lombok EVERYWHERE.
xd
fair prawn
helo
analog dagger
Is everyone scared of the mic? ๐
fair prawn
is it still deathly silent except for occasional interjections
stiff dome
yeah
potent locust
I refuse to reveal my voice.
stiff dome
yes to both of those questions
fair prawn
hello back
potent locust
Hi, Tim!
fair prawn
"I had a Boeing crash"
To make you think it was an April Fools :p
I mean I use an app that I'm pretty sure only works 100% in the UK
So uh, yeah idk of any decent international ones
stiff dome
I'm trying to update this one plugin for someone and it's completely over my head
analog dagger
what plugin?
stiff dome
I'm just kinda starting it up and squashing any exceptions I find but goodness, I don't understand anything lol
dusk radish
Kitty says Hi!
dusk radish
Thebrian you know some Java or know it decently well?
outer whale
Aww, kitty โค๏ธ
graceful widget
potent locust
Goodness.
fair prawn
generics, that's what
analog dagger
Some pretty horrible variable names aswell
dusk radish
Yeah, generics are ass to learn.
stiff dome
but I'm just at a very basic understanding of everything, I'm trying to learn architecture but it seems like black magic
fair prawn
and lambdas, and ternaries, all in one
stiff dome
that and art, art is also black magic, but a different type of black magic
it's like, if I wanted an item to appear on some menu I'd maybe have the menu hold the item in a list, but no, this guy has like 5 layers of abstraction for everything and trying to wrap my head around it is just a bit too crazy
I'm just trying to get it working without errors on 1.15 so I can send it to this one guy, he's been waiting quite some time and I feel bad it's taking this long
cerulean berry
its all about the all-in-ones, aikar.
fair prawn
widgets are the future! (...and also a part of android for the past 10 years)
not sure how early Android got widgets, I thought it was around 2.2
apparently 1.5 huh
stiff dome
or, coldbrew
cerulean berry
you can get a 32oz frapacino (sp?) at the conveniece store for 99 cents. i always get those in the winter time going to work ^_^
stiff dome
coldbrew is undoubtedly the best
when there's a NoClassDefFoundError and it says Could not initialize class foo.bar.tatochip is it because there was some error in the constructor or is the dependency being weird somehow
seems like there's some error in the static constructor thing, I've never encountered this before
dusk radish
I think it happens when on compile time there is a class, and on runtime it's missing. I might be wrong, since still relatively new to JVM.
stiff dome
I'm done ;')
loud sky
potent locust
I'll head out of the chat as well. It was lovely to hear from all of you!
stiff dome
I'm gonna take a 'lil break, it seems everything relating to the plugin not really working is related to that class not being able to load, and my brain is straight up refusing to read the code
fair prawn
o/
cerulean berry
this voice chat is like IRL. we're all connected, but no one speaks
stiff pulsar
/r/im14andthisisdeep/
finite blaze
/r/wtfisgoingon
short wave
๐
finite blaze
me too 
cerulean berry
oh, nice. baby metal got a 1 second appearance (4:57) in this video and i got all excited. thought i was alone in that until i read the comments ^_^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEPI69cx22E
finite blaze
y'all busy workin or something smh
long stone
we're enjoying each others company
finite blaze
stiff pulsar
aikarsmr
finite blaze
hello md
stiff pulsar
gudbai :pinapl:
fair prawn
no u
stiff pulsar
no not me
finite blaze
"hello larry"
"hi md"
"gtg o/"
graceful widget
finite blaze
แตแถฆแต
rancid sentinel
dusk radish
AikarASMR
stiff pulsar
aikasmr*
jaunty blaze
hello there
dusk radish
Are all OBFHELPERS with that comment now? Could there be something old without it?
jaunty blaze
does aikar stream somewhere or is this only aikasmr?
stiff pulsar
just aikasmr
jaunty blaze
482 ๐
i should cleanup my tabs
i just open tabs every time I need one new for searches and never close the old ones
dusk radish
Yeah. And once every so often I just get FoxyTab to close all the older tabs etc.
I think max I got was around 700 or so.
Fun fact - if you go over 99 tabs in FF / Chrome mobile, it stops showing the count. I think Chrome shows infinity symbol.
dusk radish
I started ordering ready meals for the whole day and excercise a bit more - loosing weight at a quite nice rate now ๐
dusk radish
God I hate using native language to talk/write about IT subjects.
Like, there's no good words for half of the things.
And I need to write like a 40 page thesis. And it's killing me cause I spend more time searching for alternative way to say something in my language than I'm spending writing shit.
jaunty blaze
I made some translations from worldedit for german. That's some dump shit. a translated watchdog is a shepherd
dusk radish
Yeah.
jaunty blaze
At my thesis I got the agreement from my prof to use some english key words and not to translate them. I was glad I didn't had to translate everything
dusk radish
I think I'll be using english words and just put explanation in footnotes.
Otherwise I won't finish it in time lol
2 more months of those stupid studies and I'll be a free man!
jaunty blaze
and then you get a job and you're not free anymore ๐
dusk radish
I'm working in the field for over 2 years now.
jaunty blaze
you can replace job with family then ๐
dusk radish
But at least I'll be able to plan my days - and not have to be ready to change my plans with a few hour notice and staying late to do the tasks.
I literally had a prof email is Sunday night, that on Monday we'll start laboratories. We didn't get any info earlier when we asked. And most people had Monday and Tuesday free from Uni.
cedar belfry
what happening in vc?
stiff pulsar
Nah Iโm just sane ๐
jaunty blaze
yes, you can disable that in the options. probably disabled that in the 1.16 update progress
dusk radish
I'll follow Kneny's steps and get ready to bed too. GN everyone and successful bug hunting Aikar!
jaunty blaze
i switched from forge to fabric with 1.13 because fabric has some mods which are not maintained on forge anymore
and i only need some clientside mods like minimap and worldeditcui
optifine is smth different, they have some weird own mod loader. And I don't think optifine has not that impact now on the performance
some mods had some plugin to send packages over the plugin messaging channel to disable the cage modes
some users on my server use these to send repeating advertising messages for that. the funniest part is the whole "?" symbols because they have utf8-issues
Raspberry Pi 4B / 4GB Variant (user-submitted) (17->36fps)
sounds like some weird raspberry ๐
jaunty blaze
haha... ๐
pop - did you had some reports about lwc loosing some locks over the time? i have some old locks (1~2 years) which disappeared at my server
last marsh
no not really
the closest thing has been some complaints about doors being inconsistent on the recent updates for MySQL users
for which there isn't any particular reason why that would have started happening
not personally anything i have been able to verify though
jaunty blaze
yes, i had those problems too but with 2.2.6 that was fixed
last marsh
lol
there was nothing changed between 2.2.5 and 2.2.6 that would have fixed that either
not anything between 2.2.4 and 2.2.5 which would have caused it
but yeah i got a couple rare reports of it happening for some odd reason
jaunty blaze
i updated from 2.2.5 to 2.2.6 and it was fine so i didn't looked for the reason ๐
last marsh
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
well i'm glad i'm hearing that it was fixed even though i didn't do anything
jaunty blaze
okay, I'll add some triggers to mysql to monitor the changes from lwc for that
those are the best fixes
last marsh
yeah 2.2.6 was mostly just to get 1.16 compatibility
theres some stuff with the new doors/signs that had to be manually added to the multi block matchers
jaunty blaze
I'm still using 1.15.2, I have some shitty inventory sync plugin which I want to rewrite to reduce the update problems
last marsh
what i find pretty cool is that 93% of lwcx users are on 1.15/1.16, although technically it's still supporting all the way back to 1.13
will probably stop supporting the old ones at some point and just support the last 2 versions (similar to what paper's doing) if/when the maintenance burden gets to be annoying
jaunty blaze
does the users use lwcx or are they still stucked on lwc/modernlwc?
last marsh
lol i think theres like 1800 servers on modern lwc still, only 1600 on lwcx
and it's been about a year since i stopped updating modern
it's too bad spigot took away the old plugin page from me and i can't update it to tell people to move
jaunty blaze
https://bstats.org/plugin/bukkit/LWC/1518 - they use 1.16 with that old version - lol
last marsh
although 1.16 has had a lot of people switching, probably people who notice that the new blocks dont work
yeah i mean it still pretty much works, nothing major has broken yet
the code i wrote for 1.13+ compat still does what it needs to
you can see the downwards slope on modern though
1800/2500 lol
lost 700 in the last 3 months
i have a feeling a lot of people are just switching to other plugins though, cause lwcx has not seen a substantial increase
manic patrol
Offer a 20% increase in Chunky performance for servers using LWCX.
last marsh
may be that people just assume it straight up isnt being updated anymore rather than looking for an update elsewhere
nice joke glare ๐
make a PR to paper to make it faster
jaunty blaze
72k and 61k protections - interesting ๐
last marsh
because the speed really depends on how fast the server is
jaunty blaze
I don't think my server users realise they don't need to lock every chest since their territory is protected by worldguard
last marsh
ah
yeah similar with towny
on my own server i use lwc just for chest management but protection is managed by coreprotect rollbacks
we only really go after people who are griefing
everything else freebuild
manic patrol
TIL: that Russian is the 2nd most used language in Guilds.
Totally forgot I added some more bStats stuff.
jaunty blaze
what's the currently recommend economy plugin (not Essentials and NewEconomy)?
fair prawn
I'm guessing you're a Towny user then? :p
small ocean
EssentialsX economy really does work well.
jaunty blaze
doesn't have EssentialsX on my server and no, i don't use towny.
last marsh
md we were just talking about towny in the vc
fair prawn
TNE didn't work last time I tried it, I'm not sure what others people use
jaunty blaze
I'm using currently a modified iConomy version but that doesn't work well with changed nicknames
fair prawn
ooo what's the juicy details
last marsh
mbax says it returns 0 to vault for people's balances who have one
small ocean
Just spent far too much time sorting it out
fair prawn
hey at least it doesn't crash as soon as you try and access Vault methods now
small ocean
double getBalance(OfflinePlayer) returning 0 is a cool feature.
fair prawn
actually, I take it back, crashing would be better than that
jaunty blaze
okay: i want one economy with mysql support, storage as uuid and maybe smth for bungeecord
fair prawn
This is the list of non-EssentialsX economies that people use alongside EssentialsX, if it's any use
I joined for a minute to see what was going on and the conversation was about "race conditions are a feature"
jaunty blaze
wait - GroupManager is still a thing?
jaunty blaze
oh, it's luckperms ๐
fair prawn
better
jaunty blaze
like the new pex?
fair prawn
unfortunately ElgarL came back to revive GM too: https://github.com/ElgarL/GroupManager/
wat
last marsh
oh yeah i heard about that
did you catch it today from the dude on ess
i mean if anything im kind of ok with it as long as it's edgar himself and not some rando
however
that plugin still needs a lot of work
lol
fair prawn
this is why I join voice at 00:30
last marsh
still doesnt compare to luckperms either
jaunty blaze
a good thing in citizens: using the api to get the current location from npcs doesn't return an immutable location like on bukkit. https://github.com/CitizensDev/Citizens2/issues/2208
fair prawn
is that considered "good"?
jaunty blaze
PeRfOrMaNcE
i just stored the location into a map to take track of players talking to npcs. that was some super weird to debug
last marsh
@fair prawn you certainly know a lot more about modded than i do ๐
fair prawn
I mean, I was just trying to get them to realise they have no idea what they're talking about lol
fair prawn
gonna head off now o/
finite blaze
me tooooooo
jaunty blaze
I'm leaving you too, gl with the obfhelper in paper.
cyan wolf
Tbh it's pretty hard to compete with lp
Every time someone waltzes in with some LP competitor they manage to fuck up random things
Like default permissions / permission groups
glares at UP
small ocean
So... yeah. Insulting another developer (without evidence, they couldn't provide any and used "I'm very opinionated" as an excuse) is the TNE way. I'm no longer interested in debugging TNE issues in plugins I support.
I seem to just attract drama these days. To be clear I hadn't even said a damn thing to them yet this year when I received that screenshot, so this time isn't a "if you're always surrounded by assholes maybe you're the asshole" situation ๐
cyan wolf
Tne?
small ocean
TheNewEconomy, https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/the-new-economy.7805/
cyan wolf
Ah
graceful widget
outer whale
Bot takeover, moophahaha!
graceful widget
click name on discord
long stone
What is the issue @graceful widget? I joined a little late to the conversation
hm
Issues getting to their POIs?
graceful widget
long stone
@last marsh Why does your plugin not support Minecraft 1.18? Please add support now, it is ruined
last marsh
wintry merlin
long stone
@short wave I cheat past that garbage
disconnect from internet for OOBE and no Microsoft account prompt during setup :P
short wave
lmao yeah I should try that next time
long stone
@short wave but that reminds me
short wave
I cannot stand the infinite prompts of HEY MS ACCOUNT? HEY ONEDRIVE? HEY CORTANA? like just. stop.
long stone
long stone
.10? oh dear
bedrock will be stuck on that for years then
like java edition 1.7.10
.10 is cursed
turbid mountain
๐ฆ
sacred thorn
ew
zinc summit
whats going on here
last marsh
paperspigot
zinc summit
psst
short wave
prob not in this channel
short wave
is that Chunky I see in that log? the fast pre generation plugin made by pop4959?
last marsh
lol i didnt even see that
short wave
your subtle advertisements are working!
last marsh
yeah no but this was a server with not many plugins on it
i was testing worldborder and chunky for egg
this right
short wave
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729230549838987274/738944507814608946/2020-07-31_21.20.38.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729230549838987274/738946147581689906/2020-07-31_21.27.48.png
dusk radish
Good morning.
short wave
morning!
dusk radish
Aikar still trying to find that off by 1 error?
short wave
with villagers? nah he's moved on from that as being a vanilla issue that 1.16.2 might fix
dusk radish
Hmm. Didn't the report say that it doesn't happen on Vanilla?
short wave
dusk radish
Hmm, wonder if it's Spigot issue, since it doesn't look like it was tested.
lime hedge
Man old ppl problems
last marsh
dusk radish
Aikar you mentioned the separate issue with block light. Is it the one where you break light sources/surround them with blocks, and it doesn't propagate?
I remember it happening like at least 3-4 years ago too, so probably not.
But saw it again a few days ago still.
dusk radish
You left us?
dusk radish
๐ฆ
long stone
we be there in a sec
zinc summit
what are yall talkin ๐
dusk radish
long stone
zinc summit
no indent, 0/10
zinc summit
redirect to destroystokyo.com
dusk radish
Cause why not? Have a better destination?
zinc summit
fake fan
long stone
zinc summit
cute cat
also can u link #community-guilds to my project? it's https://discord.gg/papermc
long stone
Sound.of(SoundTypes.BLOCK_STONE_PRESSURE_PLATE_CLICK_OFF, Sound.Source.BLOCK, 1f, 1f)
Sound.of(SoundTypes.BLOCK_STONE_PRESSURE_PLATE_CLICK_OFF.get().getKey(), Sound.Source.BLOCK, 1f, 1f)
long stone
yes
zinc summit
ur a jira mod?
long stone
yes
long stone
on my back
zinc summit
also what's github-beta
Papuremin0rez
mine
just realized pop has an anime pfp now...
well, no, pfp on its own is lazy
anime pfp is a term
ye trans rights 
meme analysis with the bois
WHO DID THIS ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐
Pacemaker API
has anyone reported this yet
zinc summit
long stone
zinc summit
they say face covering here now
stiff pulsar
laws are stupid and people are even stupidererer
zinc summit
long stone
stiff pulsar
nice one kash, #adorable-pets
burnt nest
nice mask xd
stiff pulsar
you can't hide the truth!
short wave
or else
zinc summit
u need api key silly @last marsh
last marsh
give me one
zinc summit
make an account :)
last marsh
no
short wave
memerator made me motion sick within the first 10 seconds of viewing, I should probably sue
zinc summit
HEY
short wave
but my accessibility concern was also solved within 15 minutes so maybe not
zinc summit
it's fixed now
macaroni is gone by default
NOT MY SITE i just work for it :(
someone else complained
last marsh
i have made the conscious decision to leave
short wave
rip
last marsh
adios friendos
long stone
fair prawn
digital meme copyright act
zinc summit
funny story about memerator, my english teacher used it in one of her english assignments
and one of the rewuirements was to folow her
so now she has twice as many followers as me
long stone
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they're all the same person
last marsh
im on my pc
last marsh
if i was on my phone the text would be capitalized
long stone
GO TO BED
last marsh
its like 1 am
stiff pulsar
kash telling people to go to bed like he's not an offender
last marsh
tbh ill get back on the vc and just listen maybe
long stone
@short wave ๐พ ๐ด ๐บ ๐ฆ ๐ท ๐ช ๐ฌ ๐ด ๐ณ ๐ณ ๐ฆ ๐ฒ ๐ฆ ๐ฐ ๐ช ๐ฒ ๐ช ๐จ ๐ท ๐พ ๐ต ๐บ ๐ท ๐ช โ ๐ต ๐ฑ ๐ช ๐ฆ ๐ธ ๐ช ๐ฉ ๐ด ๐ณ ๐ด ๐น ๐ฌ ๐ด โ
class RegionalIndicatorsTransformation implements UnaryOperator<String> {
@Override
public String apply(final String string) {
final StringBuilder sb = new StringBuilder();
for(final char character : string.toCharArray()) {
if(Character.isAlphabetic(character)) {
sb.append(letter(Character.toLowerCase(character))).append(' '); // include space at end to prevent automatic conversion to country flags
} else if(character == '!') {
sb.append(":exclamation:");
} else if(character == '?') {
sb.append(":question:");
} else if(character == '#') {
sb.append(":hash:");
} else if(character == ' ') {
sb.append(" "); // increase to three spaces to avoid words being squashed
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}
the hell happened here
zinc summit
languid bramble
what's going on here ๐ณ
zinc summit
join and see
last marsh
the monologue
languid bramble
my english is too weak to speak with other
last marsh
me too thats why i am muted
zinc summit
obv assuming im speaking
the funny thing is the macaroni background wasnt even me
it was brian
last marsh
thats pretty funny
zinc summit
sorry someone was showing me their cat
i dropped a free pro link a while back
no one claimed it
anyway gn
last marsh
gn
zinc summit
Know the difference
Chunky is a plugin by pop
a chonker is https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/739252229109710889/739288063536005120/image0.jpg
wheat prairie
poor cat
burnt nest
chonkey
burnt nest
nag nag nag has it been fixed?
last marsh
no but make sure to pause before stopping
actually the nag thing is sorta fixed if you're on the latest version but theres like a really rare chance of it happening apparently
i've never seen it myself yet on the newer versions lol
burnt nest
can it be due to a very slow server?
last marsh
prob
last marsh
most likely disk because the only remotely slow thing it does on exit is save to config
i have an m.2 drive so maybe thats why i dont get it anymore
burnt nest
it has an sata ssd
last marsh
burnt nest
so a slow disk shouldnt really be a problem, most likely the slow af cpu
burnt nest
tuinity is doing a lot of wizardy magic
last marsh
how fast does it run on that lol
but also yeah definitely pause the task explicitly before stopping the server btw
burnt nest
i've seen 400 cps, on a void map
last marsh
thatll help you out a bit to make sure it doesnt get fucked
ah ok
someone was testing void on a 4670k i think and said they were getting like 2000 cps
burnt nest
well, the nuc as the cpu of a potato
last marsh
lmao
burnt nest
now i only need to wait until the server chills out
last marsh
put it on liquid nitrogen
burnt nest
for some reason it still does something a minute after startup
even on a void map with 0 entitys
i tought about swapping the cpu with the same model, but 4c instead of 2
what should i set the range in chunky for testing its speed?
last marsh
i usually just use the default 500 radius (1000x1000) for quickie tests
runs well under a minute on newer cpus
last marsh
yeah on an intel 9000 series 4.8ghz i get like 90 for latest paper
amd 3000 series like 70
burnt nest
paper lags quiet a lot on it
tuwunity runs quiet good
[Chunky] Task finished for world. Processed: 3969 chunks (100.00%), Total time: 0:02:21
last marsh
let me run that same test on mine rq
also just keep in mind theres a minor issue on tuinity atm
if you have the chunk delay thing in config set
burnt nest
its for testing purposes only
last marsh
ah ok
burnt nest
i'm trying to find options outside tweaking the server configs to make the server go brrrr
burnt nest
go brrr
zinc summit
@short wave hey pop hows chunky goin
short wave
bad
zinc summit
u arent pop
burnt nest
now we need to nag Lax
zinc summit
@Lax
zinc summit
nagged: :tickYes:
last marsh
lol tuinity took longer
zinc summit
๐
burnt nest
lol
burnt nest
tuwunity took longer to go brrr
wheat prairie
tuinity isn't gonna help chunk gen too much
ive only one patch for it, and at most it'll make like 1%
thanks to it targetting actual world gen and not lighting, and lighting is literally like 90% of gen
last marsh
yeah i wasnt claiming it does although barty said it was better in some cases so idk i just trusted him on it
wheat prairie
i can say that lighting is on the things I am going to do, only recently I finalised and wrote my algorithm to propagate light sources
short wave
:O
wheat prairie
things are gonna get messy in that area though because propagating any other type of light change (i.e a decrease in level or terrain change) is harder
well not exactly harder but more a pain in the ass
you basically just do propagation but instead of propagating you propagate a 0 level to sources that match what you expect (i.e as if you were actually propagating a light source) and if it doesn't match you consider the location a source and propagate that back out
short wave
hunting down bugs and lighting inconsistencies when that comes out will be fun, I can imagine some weird situations
wheat prairie
I think I got the propagator right which is actually 60% of the logic
since removal is just the propagator plus that check
now terrain changes are gonna be interesting...
I just might have to write a special skylight propagator, I'm very skeptical of my solution beating mojang's by a good margin
wheat prairie
I've big doubts I'll ever get anywhere close to 1.12 levels
with how lighting works in this system I'm starting off at a 10x or larger disadvantage
sure I can change the chunk system but I sure as shit can't change anything about how the chunk system expects lighting to propagate
else I break vanilla compat with world loading and that's a no fucking no
also I'll wanna rewrite my code for this eventually anyways, it started off as a scanline propagator and now it's morphed into a stack based propagator
scanline is really great at propagating a single source but when it comes to multiple in the same area you actually end up doing full work for all of those sources, whereas the stack based one is a lot closer to doing the minimum light updates
but it has the downside of every position needs to be shoved onto a stack
last marsh
just so you know i personally dont care that much how fast it is, i made an issue on your github but it was mostly about chunk unloading
burnt nest
minecrafts lightning is just so broken
wheat prairie
chunk unloading is also an issue with the system
under high stress they can pile up
last marsh
yeah so if you already knew about that feel free to close it
the thing is if i turned off the setting in tuinity it fixed it
wheat prairie
and that's more or less to do with the system being designed as what I would call a pressure based system
where none of the guarantees are really made explicitly about stuff but rather all come down to pressure
pressure based is obviously better at dealing with high pressure in some cases as it will let things slow down rather than explode but 
not always the best
last marsh
the thing that surprised me is that at some point the server just panics and unloads everything all at once
i had a server stalling for like 1-2 minutes straight when it did that
wheat prairie
yeah this system also has a complicated relation of how tasks are queued and executed
so I bet that had to do with it
last marsh
probs
wheat prairie
where something held them all back or something...
last marsh
its very easily replicatable with pregen
wheat prairie
but you'll never know because the behaviour is always going to be a complicated mess about the pressure on the system, where stuff is etc
like for the longest time (you might want to double check the dates on this) lighting was really goofy
where priority changes were queued
obviously whether or not something would've gotten priority depended on how far behind it was in queue
which is always gonna be pressure related and related to the timing of certain things
that type of thing sorta exists for the general worldgen queue but it's fast enough it never really comes into play
or I've misread this complicated as fuck system
last marsh
yeah i don't know all that much about the specifics of the system so i'll leave you and aikar to it ๐
zinc summit
@small ocean best version for pvp is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCIYqAFwr38
small ocean
burnt nest
indeed xd
zinc summit
https://twitter.com/mercedesamgf1/status/1289934431059410950?s=21 @small ocean u when 1.8 and pvp are mentioned
Twitter
manic patrol
at everyone
zinc summit
@ e everyone
small ocean
zinc summit
burnt nest
Task finished for world. Processed: 62500 chunks (100.00%), Total time: 0:33:18
longer run on my intel nuc
last marsh
not that bad tbh