general

[vernal moth]

(at launch)

[astral vortex]

who can give me handler for server command? plz

[quaint geyser]

what is it that you need

[astral vortex]

ok

[lavish compass]

(is it ever going to launch?)

[vernal moth]

https://i.imgur.com/nkfigdD.png

kenny said we are feature complete, so that must be true

[lavish compass]

but kenny is a

[mental meadow]

we need to commission someone to make an anime version of kneny

[lavish compass]

@warm anchor

[quasi valley]

Which also means you can blame Mini for every single day it is not released now, since those important issues are on his list

[mental meadow]

wait where we not supposed to do that until now?

[vernal moth]

am on vacation next week so ill delegate all tasks to kenny

😄

[quasi valley]

[vernal moth]

decided to run crytaldiskmark on my work citirx vm: https://i.imgur.com/HdOYnD4.png

(right is my desktop)

[spiral robin]

Hmm yes very number

[novel horizon]

number very

[vernal moth]

random write 1mb/s

coooool

[true canyon]

Slow down, speeder! 😆

[novel horizon]

I'm speedy too, wanna kiss, Mini? ❤️

[void void]

Any simple paint programm for linux?

like microsofot paint

just to make very simple schemas

[novel horizon]

you can find some random website on the internet i guess

https://jspaint.app ?

https://kleki.com https://paint.js.org

a lot of them lol

but can't you find something on linux too? i doubt that

[spiral robin]

@mossy vessel

[foggy silo]

@charred sleet nice upstream PR 👀

[charred sleet]

Eh, i realise now i fucked up the formatting on half of it

lot of double spaces

*new lines

[foggy silo]

Curious why are you exposing parrot is dancing/wolf tail angle?

Those are only used client side and don’t make much sense

[charred sleet]

well, initially i was looking for a way to make wardens crawl back into the ground cause they were annoying me, but i couldnt see an easy way.

then i realised i should be doing work so i procrastinated and continued looking through the classes.

Thinking about it, not too sure. I was just thinking if someone wanted to do something to do with the health of the wolf / i think in hindsight i thought it was more important than it was

[mossy vessel]

cat bongos

[charred sleet]

parrot dancing... Idk but it made me laugh + there is no real way of telling if the parrot is in the "party" mode without that

[void void]

it's so you can shoot particles out of its tail, duh

[charred sleet]

Laser Dog

[foggy silo]

Well the issue is that the client controls that so

It’s not 100% for certain

[charred sleet]

thinking about it owen, that PR is like 45 mins old. do you actively check the stash?

[foggy silo]

We have ways 👀

[charred sleet]

mfw owen is subscribed to the rss feed

meh - MD will moan if he doesnt want them exposed. otherwise

i didnt think they were magic enough to avoid putting in the API, you may think differently

some of it, like the ghast, i was really suprised to find an empty class. Its not a new mob so i expected it would already be there honestly

[foggy silo]

Yeah, trust me it’s crazy.

I have a lot of entity api that’s in PRs

[charred sleet]

28 open PR's, thats nothing compared to MM 😄

ohhhh, i didn't realise you had so much of that stuff already added

paper really is very far ahead

[void void]

Would someone be as so kind as to give me their feedback on my lil 10 sec compilation

[minor anvil]

Linux has Gimp, Krita (Not simple), and paint dot net

You can also use Wine to get MSP as it has full support

[void void]

gimp isnt simple either

[minor anvil]

True

I want to read some MSPA now

[worn ember]

@vernal moth you still got that keyboard to noteblock thing?

[foggy silo]

Yesss, but won’t worry. 😉

Just at least, try to make sure the names match the paper api ones. 🙏

[charred sleet]

lemme take a look

who impl'd setIsSitting(boolean sitting)

thats such a bad name lol

[foggy silo]

That was me 😛

But yeah we renamed it

[charred sleet]

:)

[foggy silo]

See: sittable interface

[charred sleet]

you made a whole interface o.O

oh wait

am i dumb

pretty sure that is a bukkit interface in hindseight

shit yeah

oh well

[foggy silo]

But yeah uh, if the names match that would be a nice thing… just don’t mention it or md might give you “the talk”

[vernal moth]

It wasn't mine but i can prolly find it

[novel horizon]

[vernal moth]

I should really give it another try now that I got my piano next to my PC, lol

https://github.com/mcmidi-uwu/web @worn ember

[charred sleet]

lul - normally paper method names are nicer than what he comes up with anyways

also @foggy silo does your Panda#setEating work? I tested mine and it didnt seem to do anything

[worn ember]

thanks :p and maybe you should

[vernal moth]

If you host a server and website I'll join

[worn ember]

i'm working on an application to control moving heads and washers through DMX. It's been a real pain but its also been very interesting.
Rn i'm work on a low pass filters to sync the blinders to bass

i can control the washer however i want into 3D space which is really cool

[charred sleet]

oh wait nvm you just use the tick one

it probs has to have sommin in its hand

[worn ember]

i was thinking of making a mod that lets you stream audio to other players and stuff but i really dont want to deal with audio stuff in java lmfao

cuz its atrocious

well anything hardware related is tbh

[foggy silo]

Yeah iirc

[vernal moth]

the nft idiot got banned fwiw

[novel horizon]

🤨

[knotty iris]

is MCshield ddos protection better than tcpshield?

[echo tusk]

hey, i have question. as knockback for mc 1.8 isnt best for combo's and u have to download extra plugins to make it good for combos

what obout mc 1.9+? do it req knockback changing plugin to get good combo's?

[vernal moth]

ask your players how they want it to feel

[echo tusk]

i never had server with 1.9+, and i almost never played it tho, so i ask people there

[knotty iris]

any idea how to use dynmap with tcp shield

[vernal moth]

whats the issue?

[sacred veldt]

Make external webserver, assume you don't want IP leaked

[charred sleet]

why does the stash send email notifications on a reaction added to a comment

that is so obnoxious

[foggy silo]

Lol

[lilac moon]

Could use cloud flare

[slow heath]

Hey! Which server plan would be nice to spawning 1200 withers at the same time (no joke)

at least 6-9 tps

[warm anchor]

None

[slow heath]

Oh thanks for nothing!

[mild rune]

I just had flashbacks to working support with that question

[slow heath]

Eeeeh

Aight.

[tropic flame]

https://youtu.be/ZRNQMfRt5pc

[stuck lava]

🤯

[tropic flame]

[novel horizon]

🤨

[proven roost]

Im moving to Sr. Petersburg

The plane is in a few hours

[knotty iris]

is it possible to get geyser to work on tcpshield with the free plan?

[proper lynx]

yikes

[spiral robin]

more @mental meadow = better

[lilac moon]

I've seen that but before

I saw literally like 50 lines of the same 5 people and they were above every other role

[mossy vessel]

hello?

[spiral robin]

hi!!!

@mossy vessel https://discord.com/channels/289587909051416579/289587909638488064 ?

[mossy vessel]

What am I supposed to do in an empty voice channel

[vagrant marlin]

be there

[vestal jasper]

exploitable villagers as a feature
Oh no

[mossy vessel]

??

[candid nacelle]

you might want to look into rewriting the logic that the wither uses

[foggy silo]

1,200 withers? 🤔

no support here, rule 7

[quiet lagoon]

oh sorry

[foggy silo]

And in the future with server related questions, #paper-help

[quiet lagoon]

Okay thank you :)

[foggy silo]

Course!

[ashen cliff]

Things I need: https://posili.me/i/VQQdvFBc-2022-07-11_20-53-01.png
Things I can't have: https://posili.me/i/VQQdvFBc-2022-07-11_20-53-01.png

[void void]

Guys look at #289587909638488064

What da dog doin?

[ashen cliff]

The dog better be compiling OpenWRT for me.

[void void]

the dog left

[ashen cliff]

POV: You have to change 1 line: https://posili.me/i/HJNNGsHC-2022-07-11_21-18-56.png

[void void]

@ashen cliff he's back!

i see him

im not imagining it even

i really do see him

he's just... standing there

[coarse lily]

I don’t think krusic (or anyone) needs live updates on who’s in a voice channel.

[void void]

but... wut da dog doin

oof no one wants to have fun

[vernal aspen]

Moving discussion: whats the profit model on those summer hosting scams for minecraft hosting? Do they run off with pre-paid funds, severely overcharge people, ... ?

[quaint geyser]

I guess they just advertise it somewhere, try to gather as much people on as little resources as possible and after they profit enough disappear

[golden gust]

No

[ashen cliff]

Simple. Overselling.

[golden gust]

The person in question has generally been shady within the community for years, and in the past was pushing out modified jars

[coarse lily]

Sometimes it’s not so premeditated and malicious. They just think they can pull it off and get in over their heads. Then they shut everything down and run away.

But mostly it’s overselling resources.

[vernal aspen]

Yeah but simple overselling is a sustainable scam model, not a summer fly-by scam.

[golden gust]

as in, not the original jars

[vernal aspen]

You get a JAR thats not the official JAR

could do anything

malicious even

[coarse lily]

Overselling combined with incompetence.

[vernal aspen]

Fair

[golden gust]

idk

[coarse lily]

Don’t ping cat. His name says no ping.

[golden gust]

it was years ago

[quaint geyser]

I mean everyone does that, you can profit more if some servers aren't running

[golden gust]

idk if it was intentional or if they just fucked up, but, yea

[coarse lily]

Not every host oversells. But most do.

[golden gust]

Over provisioning is somewhat of a nuance

[quaint geyser]

here, someone actually used those resources and got caught

[vernal aspen]

Its fair as long as you can guarantee performance to customers

[golden gust]

it can work if done properly, modern versions of java make it harder

[coarse lily]

They aren’t great, yeah.

[vernal aspen]

Low knowledge among userbase

[coarse lily]

Low knowledge among hosting providers also

[golden gust]

Like, the big issue with summer hosting is that to be sustainable you need to generate some reasonable profit, I worked for one years ago and we lasted like 2 years before the owner got bored

[quaint geyser]

If you don't want to get scammed by a vps only for yourself

[ashen cliff]

Amogus.

[quaint geyser]

doesn't take much knowledge to run an MC server with screen

[coarse lily]

And a lot of “businesses” that are run by kids and aren’t real businesses.

[coarse lily]

What was your job? Head rug shitter?

[golden gust]

outside of that stuff generally worked well and all that; downfall is is that, it takes a reasonable investment to get hardware for day 1, and be able to sustain losses for a few months at minimum before you'll start making a profit

I pretended I could do the linux and the supports

[vernal aspen]

do the linux

[quaint geyser]

16 year old me

[ashen cliff]

Can you support me with my GNU\Linux issue?

[golden gust]

Sorry, I only support linux

fuck GNU

[vernal aspen]

🥲

[ashen cliff]

Good. Because Perl keeps shitting itself: https://posili.me/i/KKgzRssQ-2022-07-11_21-29-47.png

[coarse lily]

There’s a lot of X factor, too. A poorly run host doesn’t know how to deal with data breaches, data loss, proper backups, etc

[ashen cliff]

[coarse lily]

Several have had big failures and lost customer data

[vernal aspen]

Host: "What's ISO27001 certification?"

"Heck, what's ISO9001?"

[coarse lily]

More like “what’s ISO?”

The summer hosts usually know very very little. They know Minecraft needs a sever and people have money and . . . sometimes that’s it

[vernal aspen]

ic

[quaint geyser]

summer also seems like a best time to release new servers

[vernal aspen]

I self-host and only dab into Minecraft seasonally. Have an all-in-one home server running kubernetes for all my stuff

[golden gust]

well, yea, that's why it's done

they've still maybe got some xmas money or cash from other shoddy things that they do

and summer is the period where people often create small servers because fuck the sun and all that

[coarse lily]

Then fall comes and new/crappy hosts lose clients. Which can also tank a summer host.

[vernal aspen]

Ah, so theres the seasonal part of it

and yes #fuckthesun

[golden gust]

Well, the seasonaility is a thing because people do keep their servers past summer but it can really fuck up your distribution of resources

e.g. you've now gone from 3 boxes worth of servers to 2 boxes worth of load, and now have a box you're paying for which is basically unused

[quaint geyser]

Minecraft servers in summer, renting VPSs the rest of the year xD

[stray storm]

heyo

does anyone know a good free server host

thats 24/7

[quaint geyser]

a good server host that works 24/7 is an own vps

[vernal aspen]

Any host that is not 24/7 is sketch

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/evNhFtck-2022-07-11_22-13-49.png

[candid nacelle]

why would you run a vps if you have hardware access?

[golden gust]

[quaint geyser]

hmm

i personally don't, i only own a vps

[ashen cliff]

I do wonder, if it would build with 22.03, despite major changes.

[candid nacelle]

you can own vpses?

[golden gust]

you rent a VPS

[quaint geyser]

own = rent

same thing

[candid nacelle]

ehhh

[ashen cliff]

[golden gust]

I mean, no matter what it's sitting on some hardware somewhere

[candid nacelle]

I own my pc

I rent a vps

[warm anchor]

Real

[quaint geyser]

ok fine

[ashen cliff]

Do you really own something you don't fully control?

[quaint geyser]

i guess you could also interpret "own" as in "be in charge of"

[candid nacelle]

we gotta work on using the position of air molequels to store stuff in ram

[quaint geyser]

idk, anyway yes rent is more appropriate

[unkempt drift]

Wow. New doctors office is playing lord of the rings music in the waiting room. Based

[visual egret]

heh

[quaint geyser]

=1.4.2 (except a, b, c) 🚫
50 lines long list

[candid nacelle]

for what?

[golden gust]

https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-4 heh

[muted storm]

Appears to be fixed in 22w13oneblockatatime

That's gold

[quaint geyser]

if you add this even more

[muted storm]

(22w13oneblockatatime was the April Fools snapshot where they removed item drops entirely)

[unkempt drift]

Watching small ant beat the game on oneblockatatime was pretty entertaining.

[vernal aspen]

Yeh

[coarse lily]

Eventually they should just close this and be like "Uhhhhh feature not a bug"

[quaint geyser]

anyone knows a good way to clear earphones

[warm anchor]

Qtip?

And regularly wash your ear (?)

[quaint geyser]

idk i feel like it doesn't work

i'm obsessed about it being clean

[candid nacelle]

use a needle

[warm anchor]

Take it apart then

[quaint geyser]

ehh it's glued no thanks 😅

i was thinking sth like alcohol swabs, that shit clears everything

[ashen cliff]

POV: You try to solve 1 issue: https://posili.me/i/wYbRCQ54-2022-07-11_23-02-12.png

[quaint geyser]

i'd love to contribute to paper

but i'm too lazy to do so

[spiral robin]

@warm anchor

[golden gust]

You can get like headphone cleaners

it's basically just a stuff brush and a needle pick iirc

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/bVYL2x6H-2022-07-11_23-30-08.png

[worn ember]

do you really though

[quaint geyser]

Aren't self bots prohibited since idk like ages ago 🤔
#paper-dev message

[golden gust]

Well, yes

But, that's not a self bot

that's an IRC bridge bot

[void void]

selfbots are user accounts

this is a webhook

[quaint geyser]

forgot discord has webhook

[foggy silo]

i'm a random person to that evil conscience bot! 😠

[limber knot]

Death to all hoomans!

[quaint geyser]

they could at least add a on-hover title that's it's a webhook

[foggy silo]

cat nooooo

[unkempt jackal]

what is a selfbot?

[void void]

well it has no tag, that's a giveaway

a bot running on a user account

not really a thing nowadays, but it was used a lot a couple of years ago

[mossy vessel]

You seem to be misinformed. All my friends use IRC!

[quaint geyser]

yeah i'm too young

ik irc exists but never used it

[foggy silo]

Stop it with the IRC propaganda

[limber knot]

okeydokey

The best part about IRC, is that it's never down!

Discord dies? we're chatting shit about y'all over on the other side of the bridge

[mild rune]

wow

[limber knot]

bloody dumcordians

[mild rune]

how could you

that's it

I'm coming over there

[limber knot]

I mean, some of y'all make it easy

that mja thing, jesus damn

[mild rune]

[mossy vessel]

I setup my bouncer recently again for a different network

[mild rune]

I think the last I used IRC was for twitch

[mossy vessel]

Because there is this one irc bot I need to use

[golden gust]

I kinda miss forges IRC bots

[mossy vessel]

I hate it, imagine going from GitHub to IRC to control other repositories

[golden gust]

well, their mapping bot was honestly 10/10

Like, especially as you could just DM the thing instead of looking like a n00b in public

I mean, with everybody supporting mojmap these days it's not too big of a deal, but, once in a blue moon I kinda miss the bots

[mild rune]

IRC bots were where I first started to learn how to code

[golden gust]

I've literally yet to write an IRC bot

and that kinda makes me feel sad

Like, I missed out on a lot of the noob level script kiddy stuff by practically going straight to paper

[mild rune]

yeah I used to just mess around with mIRC and make bots, specifically twitch ones lol

[golden gust]

if somebody wants a crazy idea

mcaselector web server

or, basically, some interactive mode for the thing

[visual egret]

ender pearl glitch through wall

[mild rune]

oh mcaselector can be used CLI

[golden gust]

Yea, but theres no "interactive mode" last I knew

[stray nebula]

Bukkit is an up-and-coming Minecraft Server mod that will completely change how running and modifying a Minecraft server is done

[visual egret]

didn't do it well

[mild rune]

Hmm you could probably use the cache image generator, display that to the user, have them select, etc.

would be a fun project ngl

[visual egret]

my comsci teacher is teaching sql

[spiral robin]

ok

[visual egret]

"well theres 3 sections, and there's one you probably don't know is DCL, which is like user permissions"
"i know that"
"oh"

anyway i just play minecraft in class now i have nothing better to do

[quaint geyser]

one thing i hate about switching to ubuntu 22.04 from 20.04

each time I install sth from apt it wants to restart the services with outdated dependencies

like - i'll reboot you soon anyway, f off

[ashen cliff]

You cannot express the amount of hate I feel: https://posili.me/i/9DbgVE2J-2022-07-12_00-01-22.png

[visual egret]

krusic is having fun

[mossy vessel]

Do you have nothing better to do than commenting on the normies?

smh!

[visual egret]

did you just call me a normie 🥲

[limber knot]

why tf is WSL suddenly complaining that my system doesn't have virtualization enabled anymore? -.-

[mossy vessel]

I don't read chat aber's delightful messages

[golden gust]

well, phoenix

basically

git rekt

[spiral robin]

i come here when i am waiting for ci to pass

[ashen cliff]

Enable virtualization.

[limber knot]

ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ

[mossy vessel]

LOL literally same

[spiral robin]

haha

[visual egret]

because windows

[golden gust]

inb4 bios update or some shit yeeted the flag

[mossy vessel]

Windows smoke test apx take 5h, time for a nap

[golden gust]

inb4 random windows update just fucked the thing

[mild rune]

windows would never

[spiral robin]

i usually have periods of 8-12 minutes

[golden gust]

./gradlew clean build

goes for a dump

[mossy vessel]

Just windows things

M1 goes brr in ~20 minutes, debian takes around an hour and windows shits its pants

[golden gust]

naturally

[mild rune]

M1 do go brrr

[mossy vessel]

Just waiting for the day I can abandon windows support 😏

[mild rune]

I tried to swap to linux

Too many audio devices made my brain go brrr

[golden gust]

Linux would be nice if somebody made a nice DE

until then

huggles macOS

[mild rune]

I broke both gnome and plasma kde by having 2 audio devices named the same

[quaint geyser]

i was thinking of keeping windows and then installing ubuntu on like a 2nd drive or something

[golden gust]

Gnome did the windows 8 thing

kde is just, bleh

Feels to waste so much space that it's annoying to me

[mossy vessel]

Maybe my windows machines are just not powerful enough idk

[mild rune]

nah it's definitely just windows being windows

[golden gust]

tbqh, windows kinda just sucks in my experience

and then you open visual studio

[mild rune]

shhhh

we don't open that

[spiral robin]

nmf codes jenkins in notepad++

[visual egret]

gnome does windows 8 better than windows 8 does though

[mossy vessel]

Tbf, we talk about Win '2019, regular support has been fired to the moon ages ago

[visual egret]

because it actually works well with a keyboard and bouse

[frank otter]

the last time I tried to open visual studio was like in 2018.
I think if I hadn't hard-shutdown it would still be loading now

[golden gust]

I mean, the OS doesn't seem to have really gotten much better over the years

I really should boot up windows on my mac at some point and let it update though

[mossy vessel]

y

If you want torture just ask?

[golden gust]

I mean, I could just use vmware, but, then it scares me that it might update to 11 and fuck me over somehow

[mossy vessel]

Fucks over the mac? You may end up with... winOS

[golden gust]

well, I don't have TPM, etc

[ashen cliff]

Haswell gang?

[mossy vessel]

11 requires you to have one, no?

[ashen cliff]

Not really. You can bypass it.

[golden gust]

skylake

Intel i5-6500

[mossy vessel]

Didn't really follow all requirements. I knew my surface wouldn't be eligible and I'm fine with that

[limber knot]

looks like the setting was just disabled, I remember my bios getting reset some time last week, I guess my profile that I saved at some point didn't include it

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/gK3pB34k-2022-07-12_00-16-59.png

[golden gust]

sir

When people say to treat your hardware like people

[limber knot]

also re:linux DEs: I'm currently trying Pop!_OS and with a couple of modifications (like adding a real task bar xD) Gnome 42 is actually usable

[golden gust]

they mean respectable people

not the CIAs version of treating people

[limber knot]

the auto tiling is actually pretty nice once you get used to it

[ashen cliff]

Listen. I just needed one change in 19.x. But for that I needed 21.x, but that stopped compiling after that change, because they removed the option, to force migration to 22.x.
22.x requires llvm, because funny firewall stuff can't be compiled with gcc.

[limber knot]

(although it's questionable if it's actually usefull on my 13" laptop screen lol)

[lament patio]

I've used Pop OS with one small improvement to the DE too (namely, installing kde)

[limber knot]

lmao

[visual egret]

i love pop os

speaking of pop os

[golden gust]

apt install steam

[visual egret]

im installing it on my laptop today

[golden gust]

runs

[visual egret]

we dont talk about that

[golden gust]

I kinda also dislike the modern bastardisation of stuff

I mean, I semi understand why distro manfs wanna switch towards shit like snaps and flatpak, etc

but, just, urgh

[limber knot]

it's pretty annoying, yeah

[visual egret]

flatpak for users, apt for system

snap is somewhat evil

canonical = ms of linux

[golden gust]

okay

but

I came for the wobbly windows

[visual egret]

pop doesn't force anything on me :p

except gnome ig

[limber knot]

anyone here tried garido?

[visual egret]

nothing

i like gnome

some don't

[limber knot]

*garuda lol

gnome 4 is actually quite nice as far as I can tell after the dumbsterfire that the first gnome 3 releases were lol

[visual egret]

gnome is good though

[golden gust]

I mean, they're not really all that complex in a sense

like, it's just a bunch of apps which tie together

though, I mean, stuff kinda blends in more these days

[visual egret]

integrates with iOS better than anything else i've used

unless that's something else

[limber knot]

wat

how do you get your iOs onto a PC?

[visual egret]

idk naulitus has great iOS integration

no as in when you plug a phone in

[limber knot]

what does that even mean?

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/rLY5zeSw-2022-07-12_00-27-19.png?D

[golden gust]

Their file manager has some mtp thingy or whatever

[limber knot]

ok so normal mtp support...

[golden gust]

but, it's not like nautilus is exclusive to gnome

[limber knot]

pretty much any file manager will do that (no idea if explorer does lmao)

[golden gust]

yea, explorer does

windows has had native support for that for a while

[limber knot]

well I don't use apply products so I wouldn't know ¯_(ツ)_/¯

*apple

[visual egret]

like you need itunes for this on windows or mac

[limber knot]

and my last mtp device was an mp3 player in like 2005 and I think that needed to sync via Media Player lmao

[ashen cliff]

What about your phone?

[limber knot]

what even does that display? a file system of those apps?

what about my phone?

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/TadFbMRv-2022-07-12_00-30-33.png

[visual egret]

on ios apps have their own little shared folder where you can transfer files between your phone and pc

[ashen cliff]

This is fine. 🔥

[visual egret]

eg: my drone flight logs

[limber knot]

I bet windows could support that if they wanted

[visual egret]

idk if this is a software thing or not

[limber knot]

(or via a third party application integrating with the explorer)

what else would it be?

[ashen cliff]

Doesn't the Your phone app already support that?

[limber knot]

everything outside of the hardware is a software thing

[golden gust]

https://libimobiledevice.org

maybe uses that

[visual egret]

but on windows i need to open and close the explorer window for it to see the camera roll and the phone keeps on unplugging and replugging but on pop it just works fine for some reason

like i used to think it was a janky cable/port but it works flawlessly on pop

[ashen cliff]

Due to different timeouts and retry rates I would assume.

[golden gust]

afaik iPhones just present as a default MTP device

[ashen cliff]

Some things in Windows aren't fault tolerant.

[limber knot]

sounds more like a driver issue so... err, yay windows?

[golden gust]

if certain drivers are installed they'll basically hijack it or something and send the phone into the "correct" mode

[simple garden]

is it possible the change what it says when a mob kills you? Like instead of "Codex was blown up" i want to change it to "Codex was raptured".

[visual egret]

resource pack

edit the translation

[magic river]

GNOME 2 started out as a rewrite meant to make a more streamlined GNOME 1, GNOME 3 is a whole different thing, GNOME 4 doesn't exist

It's GNOME 42 right now, they basically just dropped the "3." off the version

[simple garden]

thank you

[magic river]

A plugin can change the death messages but you lose a lot of context when you do that

The API can mostly only tell you direct sources of damage, you can't do like "oskar chose to burn in lava rather than fight Codex"

[foggy silo]

You could change it through a resource pack, those are translatables. But, not very friendly.

[visual egret]

has anyone else used timeshift and felt that it just feels really robust

because whenever i open it thats my impression

[stray storm]

Hey, Does anyone know a good cheap mc server host? Thanks!

[visual egret]

oracle cloud is free

you need linux knowledge though

[stray storm]

My dads friend got charged 1,500$

so uh no

[visual egret]

that means they wen't past the free trial

[simple garden]

i just grabbed 1 actually lol I am trying to figure out how to link it to my discordsrv

it works so far, now to link it lol

[stray storm]

wait i found one

its called humble servers

[jagged egret]

python has changed a lot in the last 10 years

[visual egret]

yes

for the better

[jagged egret]

it make me sad bc I used to know how to use it (mostly) and now i don't even know how to set up a development environment 😂

[smoky cloud]

Bruh what

You could just not upgrade to a paid account

[stray storm]

bro check the oracle subreddit its filled with people complaining that their node got deleted

[smoky cloud]

Or just use the free resources

[smoky cloud]

Bro you get what you pay for and you can recreate it pretty easily

[visual egret]

navigate to your folder

python -m venv venv
source venv/bin/activate
pip install -r requirements.txt
python yourscript.py
deactivate

not that hard

[smoky cloud]

They only terminate free capacity if they need more for paying customers

[jagged egret]

that's approximately 4 completely additonal commands vs when I last used it lol

[smoky cloud]

Even if said paying customer is staying within the free tier

[jagged egret]

but i'm not saying it's hard

[candid nacelle]

oh no not eminent domain

[visual egret]

i mean, you only really need
python yourscript.py

[stray storm]

oh

[visual egret]

but it's better to have it in a virtual enviroment because you dont want your system conflicting with your dev env

[stray storm]

but anyways does anyone know a cheap mc server host

[smoky cloud]

Oracle Cloud, upgrade to a paid account, stay within the free tier

In theory the only thing you could get billed for is bandwidth but that’s a lot of bandwidth

[stray storm]

Oh

[candid nacelle]

how much is it?

[smoky cloud]

I’ve never been charged for bandwidth

[jagged egret]

why not just self host

[smoky cloud]

Some people have crap broadband, don’t want to open their home network, etc

[visual egret]

i self host! trust me, its awful

[smoky cloud]

£0.00679/GB once you exceed 10TB

[candid nacelle]

in what ways?

I mean not having a ups is kinda risky compared to enterprise

[magic river]

You don't have a UPS?

🤢

[candid nacelle]

well if you don't wana buy more hardware

[visual egret]

1. shitty ADSL network
2. don't really feel comfy having that stuff run on my local network
3. any kind of DoS and I'm gone
4. pterodactyl is painful on the same external IP
5. power can go out
6. sky broadband (no need to explain this)
7. more that i'm too tired to think of

[ashen cliff]

Sky.

[candid nacelle]

why do you need a panel?

[visual egret]

because i want one

[magic river]

You should get a UPS even if you aren't hosting a server

[visual egret]

how much does a UPS cost?

[candid nacelle]

cost to much

[visual egret]

like a somewhat decent one.

[ashen cliff]

I mean, I paid 30€ for a 2.2kW one.

[candid nacelle]

I use computer like normal person

as a portal to the internet

[magic river]

Mine was like $150 iirc and will run my desk for 20-60 minutes

[candid nacelle]

I need one to run 5 mins tops

[magic river]

If I was gaming or mining it'd probably run my desk for about 5 minutes 😛

[candid nacelle]

hehe I have generator

[ashen cliff]

I could probably run my whole house of the UPS I have for like 3 hours.
Just 1 problem... DC only.

[magic river]

Make sure you shut off the mains before you plug the generator in

[faint wave]

I need coders who fumbles for "Backrooms". Please dm me

[ashen cliff]

Cheap 600W no name PSU? No problem.
Seasonic PSU? No problem.
Corsair 750W PSU? Sorry, but we can't survive with DC.

[magic river]

Is that because their active power factor correction trips on your half assed simulated sine wave?

[ashen cliff]

It's legit DC.

So 220V DC.

[magic river]

Oh, I didn't realize that was even an option for a PSU

[ashen cliff]

It just doesn't work with their bridge rectifier for some reason.

[magic river]

Wouldn't it need to convert to AC first so it could lower the voltage and such?

Err, wait, maybe I got that backwards and AC is the one that sucks to convert

[visual egret]

AC -> DC is painful

[golden gust]

AC basically relies on transfomers to convert voltage if you want a "clean" signal

which, ofc, bulky af

[ashen cliff]

AC -> DC is the simples thing ever.

[magic river]

Talking about a step down transformer, not AC->DC conversion

[ashen cliff]

DC to AC on the other hand...

[golden gust]

so, hence you generally just convert to DC and then use passives

nah, stepping down is EZ with ac, just bulky

[unkempt jackal]

inverter moment

[magic river]

Oh yeah for DC they can do stupid shit like slapping a big resistor on there to drop the voltage, right?

[unkempt jackal]

yeah but that sounds so much less elegant than AC's transformers

[ashen cliff]

You can just switch it really fast with a cap somewhere.

[magic river]

I was thinking about a buck converter but apparently I forgot how it works

[golden gust]

yea, that's generally how they do DC, or linear convertors, etc

buck converters are simple but generally somewhat ass

Like, stepping down voltage is always the easy way as you can just burn energy off through passives, etc

or switching supplies, etc

I mean, switching converters, not linear, linear is basically iron

[magic river]

Oh yeah so I was right

I mean, I had the name and technique mixed up but a big ass resistor is how you do cheap DC step down

[golden gust]

Yea, it works, general issue with that approach is that theres no real control over stuff, so if you don't know the actual load, or it's viable, the voltage is not gonna be stable at all

[magic river]

Isn't that what the Zener diode is for?

[golden gust]

Yea, I mean, idk of the full applications of that but I guess that works

[magic river]

From wikipedia

Wait, wrong one

R1 is your big ass resistor, R2 is your load

[ashen cliff]

Daily reminder to not use a coil/transformer as your DC load.

[golden gust]

Yea, I kinda forgot about that characteristic of zeners lol

[vestal jasper]

TIL discord has server applications

Like you read the rules and you wait for manual approval to speak

[ashen cliff]

Somewhat of a new feature.

[twin lagoon]

wow i recognize this server

[magic river]

Wait, not sure why, does it keep the coil live or something?

[golden gust]

probs reverse spikes

[ashen cliff]

It's a "0" ohm resistor... aka, fire.

[magic river]

I thought you used a zener to prevent reverse spikes

[twin lagoon]

@vestal jasper uwu

[golden gust]

kiiiiinda

depends on the size of the coil, etc

[vestal jasper]

uwu

[golden gust]

they can induce some pretty hefty spikes and kill diodes if not rated properly for the job

[ashen cliff]

And unlike resistors, diodes like to explode at times.

[magic river]

lp0 on fire

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/Xh5fbWGs-2022-07-12_01-54-06.png

Hell yeah.

And it doesn't boot... Kind of expected that.

[brave mountain]

If paper were paid, how much would it cost? One time purchase or subscription?

[coarse lily]

Sort of an impossible question to answer, since it isn't paid.

[brave mountain]

People need to appreciate what they are getting free.

Some Java libraryes cost around 1.5k to 14k one time purchase.

[grand pewter]

there are open source projects with hundreds or thousands of hours poured into them that are worth millions

it would take a lot of effort to make a reasonable valuation for paper though, I don't think anyone really has bothered to do that

and that's without asking the question of whether that includes craftbukkit / spigot / etc

[brave mountain]

Exactly

Paper is priceless

[grand pewter]

tldr just enjoy that its free 😛

[brave mountain]

I'm not good playing Minecraft but I enjoy managing the server.

[magic river]

It would be at least one person's full time job if they were doing this for a paid thing

So figure out how to split $250,000/yr across all the users of Paper

[brave mountain]

I haven't defeat the dragon and I think I'll never do 😂

[brave mountain]

Imagine it, don't mention other projects like velocity or geyser/floodgate.

[lament patio]

So Midjourney is in open beta until tomorrow and it had some ... Interesting suggestions for pride month logo

[lilac moon]

run cloc and check its cost estimate

It values each of my programs as hundreds of thousands of dollars or somethinf

Based on lines of code, somehow

I will check it again in a sec when I'm on compter

[lament patio]

Another thing is that it would get pretty complicated in that scenario if Spigot and such were free and Paper was not

[magic river]

cloc doesn't do COCOMO, sloccount doesn't understand a bunch of languages (although Java is in there)

[lilac moon]

nvm it was scc not cloc

wtf does scc ignore target/ in my rust project by default

guess it does

[magic river]

Isn't that a good thing?

[lilac moon]

yes

meanwhile ive only spent like probably 40 hours total

im gonna run it on my website source code

[magic river]

Project I'm doing at work says it's only 16 months of effort

I've worked on it for.... 16 months?

[lilac moon]

wtf

[magic river]

But there is more than just me working on it and it started as a pretty straightforward rewrite from a different language

Although I've done probably half the work

These measurements are for production code, they assume you're measuring something that's battletested

[lilac moon]

yeah this is very not battle tested

well my website is pretty ok though, but idk if it understands it since it's mostly hugo (go) template code

if you exclude the amount of time i neglected it it probably adds up to about 7 months

[magic river]

My project is 50k lines of code, btw

The code column, not the lines

[lilac moon]

nice

[magic river]

I guess maybe I read it wrong and it's saying it would take a team of 8 people 16 months?

Instead it's a team of 4 people for 16 months, one is part time and the other 2 are fairly junior and spent a good chunk of that time learning TypeScript and React

[lilac moon]

that could almost be me

[magic river]

Then again the code has a lot of copy/paste in it, if I could take like a month working on infrastructure things I could probably delete like half the code

[lilac moon]

wtf vscode 1.69 has a 3 way merge conflict editor

[magic river]

vscode has version numbers?

[lilac moon]

yeah

https://code.visualstudio.com/updates/v1_69

[magic river]

I always just call them June 2022 and etc

[lilac moon]

i need to start using vscode more

i have been using vimdiff this entire time to resolve merge conflicts

[magic river]

IDEA does that too

[lilac moon]

oh great now it's trying to index my rust project

[lilac moon]

nice

[brave mountain]

But did you build it from the ground?

[lilac moon]

yes

using a static site generator but i wrote all the templates from scratch, minus the icon pack which i excluded in that command

[peak ginkgo]

https://github.com/XAMPPRocky/tokei

my beloved

[lilac moon]

nice

[candid nacelle]

does anyone know any free sftp clients for macos?

[magic river]

https://cyberduck.io/

[lilac moon]

rust, nice

[naive mantle]

Does anyone here know anything about NexEngine?

or where i can find their most updated Jar? lol

[naive mantle]

nvm found it

[golden gust]

whoever you are, thx

[potent wedge]

Why are boosts monthly if they are consumable

[true canyon]

Why are they consumed if they are consumable?

[potent wedge]

No its 5$ a month to use something you pay for once and use once

https://c.tenor.com/TFnsnNtHSMkAAAAM/lol-cry.gif

[golden gust]

boosts are mothly things

Like, it's their primary revenue stream besides nitro

you get 2 free boosts, you can move those within some limitations, etc

[potent wedge]

Wait so if you stop paying it goes away?

[golden gust]

yes

[potent wedge]

Then they aren't consumable

Uncool

[ripe sphinx]

Well it's a recurring payment, not a consumable

like you can transfer where your boosts go

(I used to boost here for instance, but when I donated I decided to move the boost to my server)

"I used to boost here"

(although if you have the option of supporting via boost or donating directly via opencollective/GH sponsors, do opencollective/GH sponsors, because paper never sees boost money)

[potent wedge]

Bro your edit

[ripe sphinx]

I forgot the ) 😦

[potent wedge]

I didn't even know the message was sent you edited it that fast

[golden gust]

Psh, it's all about the russian ()

[ripe sphinx]

I forget to close my brackets a lot, and it's easy to up arrow -> ) -> enter

[golden gust]

Like, most russians who speak english that I know just use the opening ( and forget the closing ) 😄

[potent wedge]

https://c.tenor.com/xWD-MEeGS5QAAAAM/russian-dancw-sassy.gif

I'm just happy I have embed all the other servers don't give embed

[stray storm]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-embed-fail-embed-discord-embed-gif-embed-gif-21924703

[golden gust]

our stance is that we're gonna support the mechanism as we generally support vanilla

people are more than welcome in the long run to disable such a mechanism with plugins, etc

[true canyon]

Disable chat completely because of an unreleased, unfinished feature? That sure is one option.

[daring laurel]

what is the "emote" command? https://i.imgur.com/PsJoIEP.png

[chrome fulcrum]

it is /me

[daring laurel]

ohh

https://i.imgur.com/anIo9dE.png

is the has factor data an optional for factorcodec?

[magic river]

Yes

[daring laurel]

bruh

[void void]

Are anti bot plugins useful if the server is in online mode?

[ripe sphinx]

not really

[golden gust]

online mode will save you from most of the cheaper attacks in some respects

It's not perfect, but nor are antibot plugins either

best throwing cash towards a mitigation service if you think you might suffer attacks

[void void]

Mitigation service like an anti ddos? TCPShield for example or even OVH Game Anti DDOS?

[golden gust]

yes

[void void]

In that case, I'm alright. 🙂

Thank you for the quick reply.

[void void]

is paper updated to 1.19.1 yet ?

jk jk

don't ban me

[coarse lily]

1.19.1 isn't even out yet.

[ancient bolt]

Will be deleting https://github.com/DenWav/ChatColors2 soon so take one last look a the glorious joke while you can

[void void]

would love to see intellij try to index that

[ancient bolt]

It doesn't even try

Idk if you can even open it in intellij

Just the file by itself would fill more than half of the default heap settings for intellij

I had to give javac 90GB of memory to compile it, ah good times

[frank otter]

I'm so confused

I get that there's a python file generating a java file

but why does the .java and .jar have not java nor jar in them

[ancient bolt]

They do, but they are git LFS files

Because they are massive

~500MB each

So if you're looking at the raw file content you're just seeing the LFS pointer

[frank otter]

oh are those the things you get by running the python file

[magic river]

You need to install git-lfs

[upbeat falcon]

Git LFS

https://git-lfs.github.com/

Git Large File Storage (LFS) replaces large files such as audio samples, videos, datasets, and graphics with text pointers inside Git, while storing the ...

About 2,430,000 results (0.32 seconds)

[ancient bolt]

Here's a direct link to the content of the .java file. Good luck opening this in your browser tho https://media.githubusercontent.com/media/DenWav/ChatColors2/master/ChatColors2.java

I don't feel like paying GitHub $5 / month just to host a silly joke that no one ever looks at

It's been up for 2 years, so I've spent $120 on this stupid joke

[magic river]

$4/mo and I don't see what getting Pro would do for this repo?

[ancient bolt]

I have pro too, it's $5 / month in addition for the LFS storage credit

[magic river]

Wait, you've been paying for LFS access this whole time just for this repo?

[ancient bolt]

Yes

I'm a very dedicated person

[magic river]

I didn't even realize they charged for LFS, I thought you got a tiny amount and had to get enterprise if that wasn't enough

[frank otter]

it downloaded!

can you cat a 500M file

[ancient bolt]

Nope, you pay $5 / 50GB, you can buy as many data packs as you want

[magic river]

Also they don't advertise this cost anywhere I can see...

Found it in the docs, it's kind of buried

[ancient bolt]

The backblaze enterprise account pays for something like 600GB, maybe more, due to the fact that it's both storage and bandwidth that comes in 50GB chunks

[magic river]

Also this:

Every account using Git Large File Storage receives 1 GB of free storage and 1 GB a month of free bandwidth.

[ancient bolt]

That repo is slightly over 1GB lol

[magic river]

Gotta trim down that size a bit 😛

[ancient bolt]

I guess I could minify it

Might save enough bytes

But yeah a 1GB repo across 50+ developers can burn bandwidth fast

[magic river]

1:1 storage and bandwidth is kind of nuts

[ancient bolt]

I think CI is the biggest user though, I need to go back and actually finish setting up the LFS cache

Not that $30/month is a big deal. That's less than 2 enterprise licenses

Yeah it's a little silly

[magic river]

If you publish more than 500MB of new LFS objects your other maintainers have to wait until next month to download them 😛

[ancient bolt]

I assume cause they don't want people using it as generic cloud storage

[magic river]

Or pay $5

[ancient bolt]

Sure you can. Just don't try to javac it, it won't work

I'm curious how much bigger the 10bit version would be that you want. Knowing exponentials I assume it wouldn't be possible to compile it no matter how much memory you gave it

Definitely in the 10s of GB at least

Guess it wouldn't take much to figure it out

[ancient bolt]

Also have I mentioned I'm responsible with money?

[magic river]

😄

[frank otter]

you are unsurprisingly correct

does javac run on java since it spits out an OOM that looks like it came from a java program

[next frost]

javac is written in java, yes

[worthy geode]

can it compile itself?

[magic river]

Of course

[ashen cliff]

Working on router.
Open u-boot.
Go and eat.
Device wiped.
They setup u-boot to wipe the device, if it's stuck in itself for 600s...

[warm anchor]

Typical spy operation

[ashen cliff]

At least I finally got this BS working.

https://posili.me/i/89UatNC9-2022-07-12_10-49-33.png

https://posili.me/i/2skV9WrK-2022-07-12_10-53-12.png

Well. At least aircrack now works a bit faster. 26.6k instead of 21.1k.
Even faster than my daily use APs.

[void void]

time to rent one of those 1tb ram machines

[agile portal]

is there a channel where I can talk about programming unrelated to paper

[warm anchor]

You are already on it

[magic river]

If it's 24-bit now and you're talking about expanding it to 30-bit presumably you could just multiple the current size by 64 and be pretty close to what that would look like

Thousands of galaxies – including the faintest objects ever observed in the infrared – have appeared in Webb’s view for the first time. This slice of the vast universe covers a patch of sky approximately the size of a grain of sand held at arm’s length by someone on the ground.

Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.

[charred sleet]

oh well... i tried

[ashen cliff]

Daily reminder to not make clean the last make step.

[rare python]

shadowJar {
    mustRunAfter("clean")
}

[ashen cliff]

[rare python]

Wait, did that wrong.

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/zEnskAaU-2022-07-12_11-57-28.png

[rare python]

clean {
    mustRunAfter("shadowJar")
}
    
shadowJar {
    dependsOn("clean")
}

There we go.

That might not work actually, gonna test it. 🤔

Nope circular dependency

shadowJar {
    finalizedBy("clean")
}

Perfect.

[ashen cliff]

ifup eth0
Interface eth0 not found.
ifup lo
Interface lo not found.

eth0 pops up magically after that.

Now that I know how badly OpenWRT 21 was to build.
Time to build 22. Need that brand new unrestricted wireless driver.

[tired fog]

woo

my router doesnt have enough flash for openwrt lolz

so i have some ancient ddwrt on it instead

[ashen cliff]

At least DD-WRT exposes overclocking to the user.

[tired fog]

and thats how i fried an old router!

apparently 800% OC wasnt supported x)

xd

it was on its way out anyway, some 10 or 12 years old iirc

[ashen cliff]

OpenWrt wireless freedom meaning:
You can do anything you want as long as you are willing to recompile and search of obscure build options.

DD-WRT: Oh you want to burn your hardware and do something illegal? Sure, go ahead. Don't forget to nvram commit.

[tired fog]

xd

i forget why i flashed ddwrt onto this new-old router tho

[ashen cliff]

Why not?

[tired fog]

oh right i needed it for a virtual wan interface

[tired fog]

true

my setup was hacky / stupid

[ashen cliff]

Personally, I preferred FreshTomato.

[tired fog]

i didnt have ethernet to my room so i connect the router to my main router via wifi

so i needed ddwrt to turn use client mode

[ashen cliff]

Understandable. Kind of the reason we use OpenWRT on MikroTik gear to begin with.

[tired fog]

now my room is supplied ethernet via a MoCA setup but

it was more fun when it was worse

[marble lark]

technically not entirely in Java, if you consider the launcher :P

[ashen cliff]

I mean, it is bootstrapped.

[marble lark]

don't worry i forked it so it won't be lost to time

surprisingly still has less lines of code than the typescript compiler's type checker

xd

[tired fog]

mom come pick me up im SCARED

[marble lark]

edge ran out of memory trying to render the source file

lmfao

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/b2tG95r3-2022-07-12_13-02-22.png?

Ayy. Installed.

[worthy geode]

chrome/chromium have a fixed memory limit of 4 GB/tab, so no surprise

[ashen cliff]

So, I can finally load that big Google Sheets table without using Firefox?

[worthy geode]

nvm, the tab limit itself is 16 GB since 2019. no idea why it crashes at exactly 4 GB then, even with JS disabled

[ashen cliff]

Well. Aircrack now runs at 25.8k/s.
So, worth it.

[worn ember]

lol this person is reporting a bug for the supposidly latest version of rtp but the command he describes hasnt been in the last releases for the past half year

[ashen cliff]

Wasn't there a person that changed the version number when asking for support?

[worn ember]

lmao

tbh i just dont mention the version if i work with older versions

in most cases it'll still work

[ashen cliff]

[worn ember]

its literally commented out hah

[worthy geode]

huh, that inline code thingy is fancy

[worn ember]

yeah i have no clue where it came from

i did yoink the paper bug template so maybe something related to that

[pale sedge]

hi

is anyone know a plugin that can rollback the server for like 5 minutes ago??

[mossy vessel]

looks like good old copilot

[pale sedge]

cuz my friend accidently burned down his entire house

[worn ember]

all of it or certain parts?

[worthy geode]

CoreProtect, Prism, Logblock

but all of them ofc need to be installed in order to track things

[pale sedge]

which one?

[worn ember]

those will only work if you added them before it happend

[pale sedge]

yea i know i just want to installed it for backup

[worthy geode]

all three do their job, really up to personal preference imo

[pale sedge]

can you recommend me?

is that rollingback the entire map or just few meters from the player?

[worn ember]

you can specify what to rollback

never entire world though

[ashen cliff]

radius:g

[worthy geode]

Prism is probably the most modern one.
I only ever used Logblock personally

[ashen cliff]

[worn ember]

does that work?

[ashen cliff]

You bet.

[worn ember]

F server

[pale sedge]

I see

[worthy geode]

just takes ages to complete

[worn ember]

i figured that much

is there any command framework that isnt cloud or acf thats worth looking at?

i dont like using cloud and acf is kinda ded

[pale sedge]

Prism is not updated yet

[worthy geode]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/prism-refracted.99397/

[worn ember]

check supported versions

oh

[pale sedge]

oh

[worthy geode]

no idea what happened there that they made a new page, but whatever 😄
very possible that the old version would have worked as well, those plugins tend to be pretty stable across versions

[merry talon]

regular reminder that i would use coreprotect just because the prism author is a straight up psycho if you need support

[pale sedge]

dang those tutorial is freakin old

[worn ember]

didnt even know prism was that old

[worthy geode]

LogBlock is older, was made for hMod in 2010

[worn ember]

yeah i knew that was the most popular until coreprotect came along

fucking hell minecraft makes me feel old

[worthy geode]

CO's default setup is a flatfile DB which kinda sucks, and I personally don't like how the params/commands work. but its generally fine I guess

[worn ember]

its designed for ease of use which works for most people i suppose

any larger server is probably competent enough to configure a mysql database

[pale sedge]

i think im gonna install coreblock guys, it seems easier

and has more downloads

[worthy geode]

the Essentials Skript also has a lot of downloads, they mean nothing

[worn ember]

we just gotta wait for stef's QuickSkript

[pale sedge]

[worthy geode]

or the standalone parser from the current skript maintainers. they even had a cli version at some point

[merry talon]

what

finally, a scripting lang worse than python

[worthy geode]

I like it as a language 😦

languages for non-programmers are always kinda ehh, but imo it does that pretty well

[worn ember]

its an interesting project

i cant imagine it looking bad on your resume

"i made a programming language even 12 year olds can understand"

[worthy geode]

it made me interested in programming when I was 14, so yeah

[primal solar]

I started with skript and then came to java so it did help

[worn ember]

This has probably already been beat to death at this point but i couldnt find anything about it in the pinned messages or anything so...
Regarding the chat reporting thing, the FAQ states:

But it has always been the case that Minecraft servers of any scale must follow the rules described in the EULA, the Commercial Usage Guidelines, and our Community Standards. Every player should enjoy a safe Minecraft experience wherever they choose to play.
So does this mean we can't even disable it on our own servers?

[limber knot]

it means that you need to follow the EULA and all other rules that Mojang puts in place for usage of their software

[worn ember]

such faq much wow

[limber knot]

I mean if you want a legal answer then ask a lawyer lol

[worn ember]

well i kinda meant the part before the one i pasted my bad

DOES THIS AFFECT PRIVATE SERVERS?
Yes, Player Reporting will function for players who join servers of any size, including private servers.

[limber knot]

it will most likely be enabled by default for all vanilla servers I would assume?

[worn ember]

as long as i can disable it ion curr

EULA doesnt seem to state anything regarding the report system (that i can find) so should be fine

[limber knot]

literally zero reason to disable it

[worn ember]

well at least you wont have to look for moderators anymore outsource it to mojang

i have nothing against the feature itself, i'm just not convinced its in function for the community and just a power play by MS wanting to control every aspect they can

[chrome quest]

Is proton mail being ddos or something?

[worn ember]

seems fine?

[chrome quest]

I keep getting timed out on the app and trying to login in a web browser gave me a 503 error.

https://twitter.com/protonsupport/status/1546837156852912134?s=21&t=Llev-xy-JNdKwwDoRJHfVg

Proton Support (@ProtonSupport)

We are currently experiencing some technical difficulties. We are working to bring the service back online as soon as possible. We apologize for the inconvenience. The updates will be shared at https://t.co/F02knQWgCU.

Twitter · Jul 12, 2022, 12:41 PM

They’ve got some problems.

[worn ember]

F

[agile portal]

is it possible to send multiple packets compressed as a single chunk?

sounds very hacky, but it'd be optimal for something like sending a bunch of map data

[ashen cliff]

Google do be flexing: https://posili.me/i/xXTLSgs8-2022-07-12_15-42-23.png

[tropic flame]

never thought I'd see the euro at the same price as the dollar

[ashen cliff]

Damn.

[void void]

How likely am I to get hacked if I run a server on my computer with port forwarding and have random people from the internet join? (I'm aware that would let them know [roughly] where I live but what could go wrong besides that?)

[worn ember]

they could ddos you but other than that not much

[void void]

So they couldn't, for example, access my hard drive or anything like that through an exploit?

[worn ember]

well not anymore

[void void]

Was there a time that used to be possible?

Oh, logj4?

Did it allow that?

[worn ember]

the log4j exploit existed for more than 5 years hah

you could do anything with it basically

but yeah you'll be fine

[worthy geode]

there was also a minecraft exploit in 1.8 that allowed you to check if a file existed or not

[void void]

So would it be accurate to say that the safety of port forwarding depends entirely on the security of the application receiving data from that port?

[worn ember]

more or less, you can improve it yourself too by sandboxing/isolating the environment it runs in etc

but thats more effort than its worth in this case

[void void]

Got it, thank you!

[worn ember]

they'd have to have a pretty good skillset and some huge ass grudge against you to even bother attempting it

so that rules out 99.9% of players

[brave mountain]

does CO can rollback player EXP?

[worthy geode]

I never used it, outside of trying it out once. no idea, but probably not - usually those plugins don't log player state

[brave mountain]

I see... than you

[void void]

paper vs vanilla which is fast

[worthy geode]

vanilla dies at like 5 players, thats easy

[loud socket]

Does anyone know if a plugin exists which makes like a 1.16 server only spawn 1.8 compatible mobs and only allow 1.8 items?

[worthy geode]

so making one outdated version even more outdated? I hope no one would waste their time on this

[vagrant marlin]

whats the point

[loud socket]

I wouldn't call 1.16 outdated, most plugins that are currently available target 1.16 servers

[vagrant marlin]

1.16 released in 2020

[worthy geode]

zero reason to use it, unsupported & has serious exploits

[loud socket]

1.17-18 aren't that popular and 1.19 just released so some plugins haven't updated yet

[true canyon]

1.18 is outdated.

[vagrant marlin]

1.19.1 is up to date, everything else is outdated

[worthy geode]

very unpopular indeed

[loud socket]

In the sense as a new version has released, yes

[worthy geode]

and that was the wrong reply, sorry 😄

[vagrant marlin]

1.19 is unpopular :-(

[loud socket]

Now provide a piechart where it's version against playercount

[vagrant marlin]

your server wouldnt show up in 1.16

[loud socket]

I'm talking about 1.16.5

[vagrant marlin]

the most popular would be 1.12.2 or 1.18.2 fyi

[worthy geode]

outdated versions are even more rare for clients

[loud socket]

1.8, 1.12.2, 1.16.5

[worthy geode]

the launcher auto-updates, lots of players don't even know you can change that

[vagrant marlin]

the only reason some players use 1.16.5 is because it has pretty decent support for most modpacks

no one actually plays on 1.16.5

[worthy geode]

and there is even less reason to use 1.16.5 for clients, 1.19 is even faster

[loud socket]

Some plugins haven't updated to 1.19 yet and/or they have bugs

[vagrant marlin]

name one

[worthy geode]

if they haven't updated after two years, they are abandoned and shouldn't be used

[loud socket]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/✦-voidchest-sellchest-chunk-collector-purge-boosters-holograms-✦.65576/

^^ Waiting on a dependency

[worthy geode]

"premium" plugins

[vagrant marlin]

what would this dependency happen to be

i like how the source that is linked on the page isnt even the source

[limber knot]

I mean if you paid them then get them to update lmao

[vagrant marlin]

thought that was against spigot's tos

[limber knot]

id nobody reports it then nobody will check it

*if

[loud socket]

Idk, I was speaking to the dev and he said he hasn't updated yet as a dependency needs to update first

[vagrant marlin]

shouldnt rely on that dependency then?

[worthy geode]

there isn't a single dependency in the linked source

[limber knot]

they should just update the dependency then lol

[loud socket]

https://github.com/Shin1gamiX/VoidChest/wiki

[worthy geode]

so either they don't provide the full source code (which would be against Spigot rules) or they are lying

[loud socket]

what tf are you on about