general

[vernal moth]

all

[void void]

Ohh

That's very good

[vernal moth]

well, all since 1.12 or so

1.11 actually

120 paper servers still run 1.11.2 😂

[void void]

Wha-

[untold copper]

why

[warm anchor]

hopefully this cash will push everyone to be on latest.

[vernal moth]

*these crashes

there are multiple we fixed

[warm anchor]

yeahhhh

it's actually good in a sense

they will have NO CHOICE

but to update!

Those YT video is like wild fires...

[spare venture]

Rip

[vernal moth]

both are fixable with plugins

I know at least on big server fixed it with a plugin cause they "cant" upgrade from 1.16.3

[cerulean shuttle]

Lot of french servers are still running on 1.8 / 1.7.10. Because of "PvP", but they use custom modded MCP (illegal btw) with Spigot modded too 🙃

[spare venture]

Can cost lots of money if your network uses tons of shitty custom plugins

Cheaper to just write a plugin that prevents people from placing the blocks in that structure

[olive garden]

getting custom plugins can cost a lot too :)

[errant cobalt]

All work to re make for juste a stupid java update... i understand it's better but honestly is not very respectful

[olive garden]

MC was so much simpler when mobarena, mcmmo, some plot plugin and bamm you have a server

[olive garden]

what are you talking about

[twin lagoon]

sticking to older versions and making some authors support older versions is not very respectful or complaining when a version isn't supported

move the fuck on already

[untold copper]

lol

[spare venture]

It’s very easy to fix that crash bug

Just don’t let them place blocks that way haha

[twin lagoon]

"stupid java update"

meanwhile there's 3 active crashes/exploits or something on an older version

[ionic apex]

I'm on 1.16.3 because most of the plugins I use only made one update for 1.16, and I think a couple of them break on 4

[errant cobalt]

a version who is correctly working dont need necessarily a update

[twin lagoon]

that's like saying windows xp is fine in 2020

[golden gust]

I have yet to see a version of minecraft which works correctly

[twin lagoon]

because it is "correctly working"

[errant cobalt]

and its not juste a minecrat .jar

[golden gust]

Nobody is forcing you to upgrade

[spare venture]

Well currently every Minecraft update has unpatched crashes and dupes

[errant cobalt]

its all network and some other things dindnt support java 11

[golden gust]

Just, if you don't wanna upgrade, you'll have to fix the issue yourself in some way

[twin lagoon]

java 11 isn't required and the majority is already working on java 11

"all network"

[ionic apex]

move the fuck on already
there's no excuse for running 1.16.1-1.16.3

[olive garden]

minor changes rarely break anything... it would take like 30 minutes at most to update bigger plugins

[slim nymph]

Dont build your server upon unreliable plugins that you cant guarantee will be updated

[spare venture]

The changes from 1.16.3 to 1.16.4 broke some plugins but updating them is trivial

[slim nymph]

this is why i dont really use many public plugins, I want to control when I update, not dependence on others

[olive garden]

updating to java 11 from java 8 is not much work at all

[slim nymph]

its also why I would never use EWG (ignoring all the other drama)

[olive garden]

I don't understand what's happening here

[slim nymph]

its had shaky past on maintenance

[errant cobalt]

but you're doing it in the middle of a mc version

[ionic apex]

I have like 40 plugins. I can't replace them when the dev gets slightly inactive; I would spend 100 times more hours on trying to convert plugins than I would on actually using the darn server.

[twin lagoon]

a middle of what

[ionic apex]

Public plugins suck for maintenance

[slim nymph]

@errant cobalt no we aren't

[errant cobalt]

do it betwen 1.16 and 1.17

[twin lagoon]

that's

what's happening

[slim nymph]

that comes in 1.17

[olive garden]

[errant cobalt]

1.16.3 and 1.16.4 are on different java

[twin lagoon]

no

[errant cobalt]

?

[golden gust]

No they're not

[slim nymph]

choose active and reliable plugins to begin with

[twin lagoon]

literally read the announcement

before complaining

[slim nymph]

tons of other servers figured this out

[untold copper]

just happened

[twin lagoon]

java 11 is being enforced in 1.17

[ionic apex]

We need a lot of extremely specific plugins for extremely specific scenarios and we can't code them ourselves

[slim nymph]

well solve that problem then

[golden gust]

servers are already moving away from java 8 for the performance improvements, as well as the fact that it's a dated af release, there is no sane reason to stick on it

[slim nymph]

get someone on your team who can maintain them

[ionic apex]

jUsT lEaRn To CoDe

[slim nymph]

or, accept that those plugins shouldnt be apart of your server

dont build your server around something you cant maintain

[golden gust]

You're running a server

[olive garden]

pay someone to do it?

[golden gust]

You picked up the responsibility of running a server

[untold copper]

see this is why i stopped running a server

too much stress

[slim nymph]

dont even have to always pay someone, find someone in your community who's learning dev

[golden gust]

That includes being able to maintain your own setup, making decisions which allow you to update your server, etc

[untold copper]

can vouch, works like a charm

[ionic apex]

Fun fact: the server works great on old versions as long as we ignore the wall of people saying we have to upgrade.

[golden gust]

Then, go run your old version

[ionic apex]

And that is exactly why so many servers stay on old versions

[twin lagoon]

obviously

[olive garden]

I wouldn't run random people's code, especially if they are only learning the basics...

[golden gust]

We don't care if you want to run on an older version

[twin lagoon]

and people doing so will be able to support themselves

since that's the risk they take lol

[slim nymph]

well, we arent forcing you, we are just unable to help you,you will have to live with the server crashing exploits and dupes

[errant cobalt]

all devloppers need motivation x)

[golden gust]

Just do not come asking for support with your unsupported builds

[untold copper]

1.8 support discord wen

(jk dont kill me)

[ionic apex]

Every time MC updates, new server crashing exploits and dupes magically appear. You're replacing one problem with another...

[golden gust]

and other bugs are fixed

There is a bunch of exploits going around which work on at least 1.15+, maybe even earlier

[twin lagoon]

epic

[slim nymph]

your only hope is to pay someone to back port the patches for you

[ionic apex]

pay

congrats you lost me

[slim nymph]

well unless you find someone wanting to give charity

[ionic apex]

We're running a server theme that can't be monetized legally

[olive garden]

running an MC server should be free

change my mind

[golden gust]

Then find somebody willing to do the work for free or something

[left swift]

Better learn how to make plugins urself

[golden gust]

at the end of the day, dev time is time, we don't have enough time to throw out support for every single major and minor version people feel entitled to demand support for

[visual egret]

it is.

[golden gust]

if you wanna run on an unsupported build, that's on you, you are once again more than 100% able to do so, we're not going to stop you

[slim nymph]

my personal obligations and want to do list is easily enough to fill FOUR of me

I sure as hell dont have time to charity maintain old versions

[olive garden]

I think you missed my sarcasm and the context

[ionic apex]

I've gotta say something: going to this server and saying you use a version one minor version outdated gets people to consider you the most evil thing to ever live faster than just about anything you could say on any other discord

[golden gust]

Just, if you wanna keep yourself safe from these issues and actually have support for this stuff, you need to stick to supported versions or find somebody willing to provide support

[ionic apex]

the entire server is angrily typing

[left swift]

No saying you run an offline server is the greatest evil you can say here

[golden gust]

Because you're expecting that we're going to provide support for unsupported software

[slim nymph]

we dont consider it evil, its not recommended. its missing vital fixes. we can not help you with anything that requires code changes

[golden gust]

It's annoying and tiring when people expect us to provide magical solutions to issues in outdated software, many of which have already been patched

[untold copper]

NomadicNom

for your own good man

just leave

[slim nymph]

to my announcement statement, there is no excuse. If your server is built on plugins so fragile that they cant even receive a SIMPLE and VERY MINOR update to get 1.16.4 support, that plugin does not belong on your server

find a plugin less fragile

[untold copper]

honestly, don't do this to yourself

I am not being mean

I am totally being honest.

[ionic apex]

I enjoy the text walls. No issue to me.

[slim nymph]

most plugins need to simply change a 3 to a 4 and itll fix 1.16.4 support

[untold copper]

see I can sense cat is about to lose it

aikar don't got a whole lotta patience left either

[slim nymph]

if its a public dev, ask if anyone else will maintain it

what plugin?

[untold copper]

so leave before they ban you or smthn

[slim nymph]

i dont think nomadic is saying anything worthy of a ban, just hopefully learning your making mistakes in running the server. there are choices you can make to do this better

dont bad mouth, be respectful, ask for an update

[golden gust]

it's been a few months since the last minor was released

We're not saying that the plugin is "fragile" on its own, just maintanence for it seemingly is, which is obviously impacting you

[ionic apex]

Okay, tell me this.
What mistake am I making in running precisely 1 minor version outdated if it means that I can keep my plugins from breaking until 1.17?

[untold copper]

yeah but see I can just sense it coming 🤷‍♂️ but ok lol

[slim nymph]

your making the mistake of choosing to run a version with dupe and crash bugs

[untold copper]

this will be interesting

[slim nymph]

you should be scrambling to figure out how to update your server

[ionic apex]

Dupe and crash bugs such as?

[golden gust]

We've literally fixed 2 critical and easy crash exploits in the past week

[slim nymph]

see #announcements

see #old-forum-feed

and #paper-github

[hollow igloo]

You don't receive the fixes, improvements and optimizations included in later builds - including fixes for the dupe and crash bugs that were recently uncovered

[slim nymph]

people are going around and crashing every server they can find now

[untold copper]

yes

[slim nymph]

and the dupe bugs been going on for weeks

we keep our fixes quiet to avoid spreading word of the bug until the bug goes wide spread

[ionic apex]

In the event that someone ran a dupe glitch on my server, or even crashed it, the time that I would lose fixing that - in the one in a billion chance that it happens - would be far less than the days or weeks that would be needed to demand 1.16.4 versions of critical plugins

I've never even had a single cheater join my server before, it's that low of a chance

[olive garden]

it's your issue that your devs suck so much that they can't take 30 minutes to update the plugin from .3 to .4

[slim nymph]

what you gonna do when someone sets a redstone clock of the bug and you cant start your server anymore? that is happening

[ionic apex]

And I've had it running five years

[hollow igloo]

One of the servers on my small network is still stuck on 1.16.3 and we've already had people constantly crash our server and dupe several dozen shulker boxes worth of items. You are not exempt: it's best to update if you can.

[wild escarp]

btw @ionic apex it took me 2 seconds of searching to find your server ip. so if i wanted to i could just go crash it right now lol

[ionic apex]

Stop the serv, download the world, look at logs, and nuke the chunk in question

[slim nymph]

gonna nuke your spawn?

[untold copper]

Basically: Update if you can, try to survive if you can't

[untold copper]

owned :P

[ionic apex]

It would take me 1 minute to replace spawn with a backup

as it virtually never changes and also isn't editable by users

[slim nymph]

what if you are asleep

[hollow igloo]

That happened to us earlier today. The player lured several staff members to his location and turned on the contraption so they were stuck crashing the server when they logged in, lol

[spare venture]

you really think that people cheating on your server is a 1 in a billion chance?

[ionic apex]

Yes. In five years it has not happened once.

[spare venture]

just turn off anti xray and you'll find about 1 in 5 players are cheaters

[slim nymph]

well, if you accept the risk, carry on then

were just informing you this is possible

[untold copper]

some server... tell me how u did it 👀

[hollow igloo]

Is your server whitelisted? I find it difficult to believe that

[ionic apex]

easy: have a theme that no one cares about

[untold copper]

lmfao

smart or what man

[ionic apex]

if no one joins, no hackers join either

ez

[spare venture]

you're extremely naive if you think people aren't cheating on your server

or have never cheated in 5 years

[ionic apex]

Mate, the number of players who join is so low that I meet almost every joining player personally

[spare venture]

they're still going to cheat

[ionic apex]

Not if they don't return

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[spare venture]

alright i'm gonna leave because i am trying to not be paper 1.0

[green turret]

The avatar induces a hunger for tacos.

[ionic apex]

To be clear: if 1.16.4 hadn't been as late an update as it was, I would be on 1.16.4 too

The fact of the matter is that I spent weeks trying to get the server to 1.16.3, and then 4 came out; not worth the hassle

[green turret]

The (lack of) motivation to do anything creates a conflict.

[spare venture]

lol

thing is no one wants to help someone who intentionally runs a version with tons of exploits and bugs

[ionic apex]

I mean.
Are the 2 players joining per day really enough of a motivator to upgrade a server one minor version?

[spare venture]

so don't complain when people dismiss you

[green turret]

And thus, we arrive at a fork in the road: muster up the mental energy to do something about it, or wallow in self-pity.

[spare venture]

this all started because you're complaining that you can't get support for being out of date

[ionic apex]

smashes car into gear and accelerates down the right side road

[green turret]

If only I had a place I could feasibly drive to to pick up tacos 😦

There are like three places in town that serve tacos, and they're all nested deep within the inner city with no parking spots. Woe is me...

[mossy vessel]

Taco drive in... Trive in??

runs

[formal turret]

meh, guess i'll update my server now if there are crash bugs

[ionic apex]

Note that I'm saying this all in good fun. I'm not trying to come off like some 1.8.9 supporter.

[formal turret]

lel i was sitting on 1.16.3 too

nevermind 1.16.1

[worn ember]

Oops

[ionic apex]

I'm just trying to realistically see how 3 to 4 is that huge of a deal

[formal turret]

m8 they've told u

[worn ember]

They just explained you how...

[formal turret]

you're just trollin now i feel

[ionic apex]

And I have heard

[worn ember]

Big brain time

[golden gust]

.4 fixed some exploits by mojang, there are literally hundreds of builds since fixing varying issues ranging back to pre 1.8 minecraft in .4

[peak ginkgo]

That's the whole point of minor version bumps

[ionic apex]

I'm gonna say the bad word now

[peak ginkgo]

[ionic apex]

ViaVersion

[spare venture]

3 to 4 is a huge deal. Dupes, crashes, etc

[untold copper]

yes.

[peak ginkgo]

Doesn't fix server side problems

[worn ember]

[potent fossil]

someone give me $3000

[peak ginkgo]

Me too please

[ionic apex]

huh.

is it just me or does that ubuntu symbol look like the fukushima flag

[left swift]

Cool

[worn ember]

No u

[ionic apex]

[untold copper]

Make a minecraft server, they said. People won't cheat, they said.

[formal turret]

oh nevermind i am 1.16.3, cool not as out of date as i thought

[ionic apex]

not as out of date™️ gang

[formal turret]

still updating to .4 now though because i don't want to deal with it if someone decided to log in and break stuff

i'm on 228

[untold copper]

[09:41:56 INFO]: This server is running Paper version git-Paper-399 (MC: 1.16.4) (Implementing API version 1.16.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT)
[09:41:56 INFO]: Checking version, please wait...
[09:41:56 INFO]: Previous version: git-Paper-386 (MC: 1.16.4)
[09:41:56 INFO]: You are running the latest version

[ionic apex]

399

previous version 386

what in sam hill numbering scheme is that

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/2021-01-09_18-42-33.png

[vernal moth]

[fallen oracle]

They are build numbers.

[ionic apex]

Ye ye
But
why build numbers not sequential

[quasi valley]

wat

[untold copper]

I just run a whitelisted modded for irl friends now

[fallen oracle]

What

They are incremental

[untold copper]

confoosion

[fallen oracle]

You were 13 builds outdated

[ionic apex]

confooze

mm I misread that

I took that to mean just the previous version in general

not from an upgrade

[vernal moth]

It was the version that server used before updating to 399

[ionic apex]

ye I see that now

m brain is broke

[vernal moth]

Paper keep track of that so that when somebody reports and issue, we know they updated from x to y, makes it easier to find regressions

[untold copper]

u guys are so smart

[ionic apex]

smart

get the smart away from me

[golden gust]

I mean, I'm like mentally drained like, 60% of the time these days

imagine how powerful i'd be if I wasn't ill

[untold copper]

unimaginable powaaaa

[twin lagoon]

@minor badge awa

[meager tusk]

Michale

[twin lagoon]

idriz

The following things have come to my attention

1. You hate me:
   This is, unfortunately, pretty clear by your lack of response.

2. You want me dead:
   Unwanted interaction with me means you dislike me. Disliking me means you probably want me to not have any good luck in life. Probably want me dead.

3. You're laughing right now:
   By laughing at this message, you are expressing that you truly do not care about my feelings. You clearly know this is true, and find pleasure in it.

[meager tusk]

i would paste something longer but

i don't know if i'd get muted for it

so i'll paste it in your dms

[golden gust]

Yea, micheal, that seems accurate

[spiral robin]

Hi

[untold copper]

haii

[spiral robin]

@meager tusk @twin lagoon 🥺

[meager tusk]

Hi aber

[twin lagoon]

i posted the full version yesterday

[meager tusk]

LOL

[twin lagoon]

@spiral robin

[golden gust]

all I'm saying is is that if you was to walk down the stairs and fall down them, we'd both need an ambulance, mainly as I'd need oxygen

[meager tusk]

@twin lagoon

The following things have come to my attention

1. You hate me:
   This is, unfortunately, pretty clear by your lack of response.

2. You want me dead:
   Unwanted interaction with me means you dislike me. Disliking me means you probably want me to not have any good luck in life. Probably want me dead.

3. You're laughing right now:
   By laughing at this message, you are expressing that you truly do not care about my feelings. You clearly know this is true, and find pleasure in it.

Why do you hate me?
All I've done is:

• Be nice
• Be supportive
• Be caring
• Be there in your toughest times
• Be here whenever you need me

However, even in the best of times, all you've done is:

• Be rude
• Be angry with me
• Look down on me
• Laugh at me
• Ignore me
• Express your distaste for me
• Wish for my death

Here's what this means:

• Appropriate steps will be taken in order to make your life a living hell.
• No matter how many times you apologize, I will still hunt you down.
• I, like most people on this planet, fucking despise you.

Why?
You may be asking why I've come to this conclusion. Well, the simple, elegant, and brutal truth is that you are a fucking idiot. I can not stand for this level of disrespect any longer. Goodbye.

[twin lagoon]

cat u suck

[golden gust]

reminds me of the time my birthgiver told me that I loved her

Damn, I almost had to dial 999 for oxygen

[meager tusk]

what does birthgiver mean

wait

[spiral robin]

[meager tusk]

i'm dumb

ignore me

[worn ember]

Already doing that

[ionic apex]

do we get another announcement today when we hit build 400

[meager tusk]

:(

[spiral robin]

@ionic apex why should they

[ionic apex]

c'est le entertainment

[ashen cliff]

🤔 I need to move files from 1 directory to 10 different directories randomly.
Any good tool to do that or do I have to write another abomination?

[left swift]

I like to implement a method of blindly-and-furiously-dragging

"Omg this blew up checkout my soundcloud"

[peak ginkgo]

@void void I want you to read this but I don't want to dm it to you

[void void]

lmao

[peak ginkgo]

Sometimes providing user Support worries me

Like these people want to do enterprise work and can't... Read...

Especially in Pterodactyl

Or like #paper-help just now

[twin lagoon]

pterodactyl's discord is only worth using for update notifications

nothing less nothing more

[peak ginkgo]

I feel like at one point you should watch this video

https://youtu.be/EFwa5Owp0-k

[golden gust]

I ended up leaving ptero's discord, became too over-ran with wannabe sys-admins

[peak ginkgo]

I provide community support :/

[peak ginkgo]

This, minus the leaving

[twin lagoon]

that's basically self-harm with extra steps dejay

why

[warm anchor]

Sometimes I think people in #paper-help are too helpful. People come up for help with every shit imaginable LOL

[peak ginkgo]

Sometimes this server gets boring and there's nowhere else for me to spend the time

I know Pterodactyl pretty well

[golden gust]

and then the weekly moron who was charging somebody to setup ptero for them but couldn't install ptero and is crying because they need to finish to earn cash

[wide chasm]

lol

[worn ember]

You should feel right at home then? ❤️❤️

[warm anchor]

"guys help me I pay someone $250 to config but he's not replying today"

[spiral robin]

[warm anchor]

I need to launch my network tomorrow

PLS HELP!

[spiral robin]

.tk

[warm anchor]

xD

[spiral robin]

@dane @tek HELP @everyone

[warm anchor]

make sure to tag every person on the top of userlist as a bonus

[peak ginkgo]

That's actually not allowed anymore LMAO

It's against the rules to use an installer and ask for support

[formal turret]

smh ppl finding exploits making me have to update my server

[warm anchor]

LOL I can see why

[peak ginkgo]

Or to offer to pay*

[worn ember]

Plz help me install dota2

Idk how to click next

[olive garden]

I thought you had to study ded

I see how it is

you just don't want to spend time with me

[worn ember]

I'm eating first

[olive garden]

all I hear are excuses

[worn ember]

Then back to studying

Shut up

[olive garden]

nou

[twin lagoon]

@mental meadow uwu

[mental meadow]

[untold copper]

aw thats such a cute emote uwu

[waxen panther]

[hollow brook]

lol player can use /lobby on auth so they can bypass regsiter or login easy

can i block the command?

[mental meadow]

use a permission system

also #paper-help

[brave radish]

if you wanna get yelled at, you can use an alias, but you should use permissions or modify the plugin that does /lobby / it's config

[hollow brook]

ok

[peak ginkgo]

Or move to a proxy wide auth Plugin

[mental meadow]

LuckPerms or BungeePerms for example

[peak ginkgo]

Because it sounds like your login stuff is in the server

But lobby is a bungee command

The server won't stop that

[mental meadow]

But again, #paper-help

[olive marlin]

Or use online mode 🤷‍♂️

[ashen cliff]

You do know we make AuthMeBungee for that reason right?

But I do also know reading is VERY hard.

[peak ginkgo]

Oh there's the guy who makes it

[hollow brook]

krusic weird... i have it

[ashen cliff]

INB4 you didn't read the instructions and "fixed" Authentication required by turning it off.

[hollow brook]

yes maybe thx

[peak ginkgo]

This server is quiet... Too quiet...

[left swift]

Just start talking about pokimane

[peak ginkgo]

🥬

[left swift]

[ashen cliff]

At least her marketing is working well.

[peak ginkgo]

I wonder what is Paper Build... 1

[austere bane]

He thicc

[peak ginkgo]

I know at one point Paper used git ids

But where is build one

[fallen oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/hewasnumberone-hewasnumber1-spongebob-mrkrabs-itwashishatmrkrabs-gif-18200966

[golden gust]

I mean, if build 1 compiled correctly, which, often blows up for varying reasons, it's in the API

[woven otter]

https://i.imgur.com/XfN4ztf.png
anyone had this issue before?

[olive garden]

no duck

ur special

you are a special snowflake

[woven otter]

wow okay thanks trig

I should probably start some social movement then

[olive garden]

I have an idea

abolish paid toilets in Hungary

[slim nymph]

@woven otter might want to say what the issue is

the whitebar?

[woven otter]

yeah

[slim nymph]

prob some app overlaying

[zealous wedge]

intellij bad

[woven otter]

it happens when it's maximized it's ded

[spare venture]

paid toilets are a thing in hungary?

[olive garden]

have you tried turning it on and off again?

[woven otter]

yes

[zealous wedge]

they're a thing in a lot of places barty

[olive garden]

the PC as well?

[woven otter]

no

[olive garden]

do it

[spare venture]

duc i stg

[woven otter]

what

[spare venture]

turn it off

[worn ember]

dum taco boi

[clever widget]

does anyone know how to sync a folder across servers, like the schemtaics folder of worldedit?

[olive garden]

on the same machine or on different machines?

[clever widget]

same machine, same disk

[olive garden]

symlink?

[clever widget]

is that like s software

[zealous wedge]

symlinks?

it's a filesystem thing

[olive garden]

that's something for you to look into

[zealous wedge]

ln -s

[spare venture]

it creates a symbolic link between the directories

[olive garden]

using a service called google

[zealous wedge]

man ln

[spare venture]

i prefer tldr ln

[quasi valley]

@woven otter you're very special indeed

[spare venture]

i also prefer sl vs. ls

[quasi valley]

slit

[worn ember]

i prefer /mute party

[woven otter]

bananaface

[olive garden]

/mute party

[worn ember]

/mute party

[spare venture]

that's it ded you're off the partyrealms team

[quasi valley]

literal grapehead

[worn ember]

oh no my exposure points

[spare venture]

nah your code isn't up to the pr standard

[worn ember]

how else will i become a famous tiktok influencer

[olive garden]

you could try onlyfans instead

[worn ember]

i'll just have brian pr the standard

[visual egret]

this is where the fun begins

0.6 cps

fun

[potent fossil]

apparently even the new m1 macbook air beats the performance of the 2018 mbp

[visual egret]

also simple why you block me

[potent fossil]

i said i would earlier

[visual egret]

nvm

yeah im a pc player 😎

[left swift]

Simp handing out free blocks?

[potent fossil]

u no it bb

[coarse lily]

I believe it. My M1 is stupid fast.

[minor badge]

@potent fossil

[potent fossil]

kinda wondering if i should just trade in the 2018 mbp and get the m1 air, cause atm I have $990 trade in credit

if I wait that's surely gonna go down. I'd pay $9 lol

[potent fossil]

pwoxi

[minor badge]

awa

[coarse lily]

Depends on if you need x86 for anything.

And which MBP it is. May have some features the Air doesn’t.

[potent fossil]

oh the air doesnt have rosetta?

[woven otter]

no u

[coarse lily]

It does, but some stuff can’t use Rosetta.

And some stuff is slower or buggy in Rosetta still.

[potent fossil]

also 8gb default memory

[spare venture]

duck did it fix it

[woven otter]

yes

[spare venture]

nice

[woven otter]

tanks

[worn ember]

smh dum ducker

[woven otter]

yes well you're ded

[potent fossil]

@coarse lily did you get the pro or air

[worn ember]

one day you will be too

[coarse lily]

There is no M1 Pro.

[potent fossil]

yes there is

13 inch m1 pro

[woven otter]

cry 😭

[potent fossil]

so you got the air then

[coarse lily]

Oh sorry I thought you meant 16

I got the Mini.

[potent fossil]

o

[spare venture]

.g m1 pro

[coarse lily]

I’m in another window talking about 16” MBP and got wires crossed. Sorry simple

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.schuberth.com/us/products/motorbikes/helmets/m1-pro.html

[vernal moth]

can we cancel mac talk?

[potent fossil]

i guess the biggest difference between the m1 mba and the m1 mbp is a fan. lol. the specs look very similar...

[spare venture]

hm

[vernal moth]

I get pinged all the time 😂

[potent fossil]

?

[coarse lily]

I have a 16” Mac I need for work

[spare venture]

mac

[coarse lily]

It’s the “mini” part

;)

[potent fossil]

lol

[vernal moth]

if you put it in quotes thats allowed

[twin lagoon]

mac mini

[spare venture]

.g mac mini

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) The Mac Mini is a SFF-class desktop computer made by Apple Inc. It is one of four desktop computers in the current Macintosh lineup, serving as an alternative to the all-in-one iMac, and sitting below the performance range iMac Pro and Mac Pro. The Mac Mini is Apple's only consumer desktop computer since 1998 to ship without a display, keyboard, or mouse. Apple initially marketed it as BYODKM, pitching it to users switching from a traditional PC

[coarse lily]

I have two Mac laptops that are x86 that I can’t ditch. And I didn’t want a third.

[limber knot]

.lart michael

sporks michael.

[spare venture]

what the hell where's the link

[cunning raft]

2000chars maybe?

[coarse lily]

I already had an Intel “mini” so I got another one to compare.

[twin lagoon]

it's time for a new nickname mini

[vernal moth]

no link for knowledge graph

[coarse lily]

MaxiDigger

[spare venture]

.g apple mac mini wikipedia

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_mini

[left swift]

Just gotta change ur name mini

[limber knot]

I mean, I could disable the ping, but thats boring

[left swift]

Live life on edge on whether someone needs ur help or is talking about shapple

[worn ember]

just buy big macs

[left swift]

McDonalds gang

[potent fossil]

ah yes mcdonalds, my favorite real estate company

[quasi valley]

yeah you should change it to MacDigger

[worn ember]

still better than having child labor 🙂

[potent fossil]

what

[left swift]

Dont mind ded and deds conspiracy theories

[worn ember]

i only speak the truth

[coarse lily]

Anyway simple the 16GB models are back ordered last I saw. So you may have to wait a bit b

Worth checking

But either way it’s a solid machine and a great CPU

[potent fossil]

eh fuck it i want 4 usb c ports

[quasi valley]

ded, just do it like one of our conservative politicians speaking out against enforcing german quality standard laws for german companies with production in other countries as well by saying "the children there also have to live off something!"

[worn ember]

its all outsourced to countries where those rules dont apply anyway

so it literally doesnt even matter lul

[quasi valley]

"enforcing german quality standard laws for german companies with production in other countries as well"

[worn ember]

they say they dont allow it

but they dont enforce it

[quasi valley]

literally combating that, as in enforcing those rules for production IN OTHER COUNTRIES

well no, here it was only discussed to be enforced, but as always this got put under the carpet

[worn ember]

cant have shit in ~~Detroit ~~ bangladesh

[left swift]

Nt

[worn ember]

you killed chat with that smh

[left swift]

No u

[olive garden]

drek

ur still supposed to study

[worn ember]

i am watching recordings of my math teacher doing stuff

[olive garden]

sounds familiar

[spare venture]

bad

[left swift]

They cause more lag

[olive garden]

it sucks, that my opinion

[spare venture]

it's like trying to put out a fire using gasoline

creates more problems than it solves

doesn't actually solve anything

[worn ember]

if you throw enough gasoline on it you can put it out

just try it irl

[cunning raft]

ok what's your address

[spare venture]

how much gasoline would it take ded

[worn ember]

5gallons

[left swift]

Enough gasoline to fuel the fire

[worn ember]

nono ur overfueling it

[spare venture]

ded i dont think thats true

[worn ember]

so it chokes and dies

[spare venture]

depends on the size of the open flame i guess

if the liquid puts the flame out before the flame ignites the vapor

[worn ember]

if it burns enough oxygen in one go it can suffocate itself

[spare venture]

good thing there's a lot of oxygen in the air

[worn ember]

thats why you make the fires inside

duh

you can limit mobs per chunk or just find an alternative to farms

or live with it

[spare venture]

ded is right

[left swift]

Yeah just contain the fire in a closed barrel

Preferably a small barrel

[worn ember]

i have a master in pyromania

[left swift]

[spare venture]

i dont think you're a master at anythign

[left swift]

Enforcing mob farm limits in rules

[north vortex]

when im configuring the paper.yml and i leave it doesnt save. why is this?

[left swift]

Because ur dum

[north vortex]

.

[golden gust]

I asked you a question

You have yet to answer it

[north vortex]

wait

[spare venture]

press save

[warm anchor]

smh

[left swift]

Eternity

The villager lobo guy get banned or just left?

[spare venture]

who

[formal turret]

nny

[spare venture]

banned

[left swift]

Lasted longer than I thought they would've

[warm anchor]

He didnt stop posting that meme 1.8 discord... no one can save him

[golden gust]

I really wanted that discord to survive

[warm anchor]

He does know a lot about MC but he is sometimes hard to work with imo

[golden gust]

just so it could turn into some self sustaining 1.8 server

[limpid comet]

lol

[golden gust]

and he'd have to cry that his meme became reality

[limpid comet]

it would've been a beautiful place

[warm anchor]

let me ceck how many members

welp it didnt grow much zzzcat's dream dead

[left swift]

Seemed like the edgy-to-be-funny type which is a no fly in papermc2.0

[warm anchor]

[woven otter]

cat want someone to start another one?

[left swift]

Cat will start their own soon

[limpid comet]

yes we need more 1.8 discord servers

everyone here should make a 1.8 discord server

[worn ember]

wait nny is banned?

[left swift]

Silent banned pepehands

[worn ember]

ugh

[cunning raft]

yes

[woven otter]

why was he banned

[spare venture]

search the ban reason

[worn ember]

wonder who got offended this time lul

[cunning raft]

they trolled hard and got transphobic

[warm anchor]

[waxen panther]

[woven otter]

ahh sucks that logs get yeeted

censoring sucks

[spare venture]

u suck

[woven otter]

no u suk

[olive marlin]

Final ban reason was advertising (his 1.8 discord meme server iirc).

[visual egret]

the laptop turned into a fucking nasa supercomputer

[minor badge]

those are just existing generated chunks

and we didn't silentban them, nomana

[left swift]

Yes nasa super computers pregen minecraft server chunks for us

Ik proxy I was joking

[warm anchor]

I mean the man did it to himself...

[worn ember]

he was one of the few guys acivily helping in paper dev smh now i'll have to rely on A248

[warm anchor]

mod has to enforce rules even if his MC knowledge is helpful

[worn ember]

i'll just ping cat to help me with issues 🙂

[left swift]

As u should

[waxen panther]

no one here can you help you ded

[woven otter]

#paper-help message

I C

[warm anchor]

@waxen panther

[waxen panther]

[woven otter]

stop being mean to ded

this is harassment

[left swift]

[warm anchor]

I like Peking Duck @woven otter

[left swift]

[woven otter]

I'll quack at you

[worn ember]

reported for harrasment

[visual egret]

how to change fan speed manually in debian

google isnt helping a lot lol

[worn ember]

increase the current

[visual egret]

how to change cpu fan speed manually in debian using software

[worn ember]

the answer is still the same tho

[waxen panther]

yep just google that exact statement oskar !

[worn ember]

.g how to change cpu fan speed manually in debian using software

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://windowsreport.com/increase-cpu-fan-speed-software/

[waxen panther]

thats bing

[worn ember]

[woven otter]

ok fuk u ded

[visual egret]

windows 10 tutorial meh

[worn ember]

dont you need a 4pin to control it manually?

or is that for feedback

i forgot

[visual egret]

then how does it automatically adjust speed?

[worn ember]

bruh

by adjusting its power that goes to it

3x

[visual egret]

and how do i do that in software

🤦

[cunning raft]

google.com

[visual egret]

hmm i wonder why i asked here... probably by coincidence

[cunning raft]

if google cannot help you you're fucked

[waxen panther]

just google better

[visual egret]

thanks for the advice brocc, ill try

[cunning raft]

they're right

you're probably using a shit query

[worn ember]

https://itectec.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-how-to-control-fan-speed/ first result

[clever widget]

whats the absolute minimum amout of ram a paperspigot server can use

[agile tulip]

Hey, does anyone have opinions on tcpshield? Or maybe you can recommend other anti ddos services,

[visual egret]

tcpshield is okay

[clever widget]

theyre pretty good only issue is support is slow

[visual egret]

yeah ive been on that step for quite a bit now

[worn ember]

isnt it pretty expensive too

[visual egret]

cant figure out how to install that

[visual egret]

its free for small networks

1TB max bandwidth, etc

[clever widget]

geyser support is paid

[visual egret]

ive looked everywhere to get geyser support

[clever widget]

i think i know a service

that has it

[visual egret]

the geyser discord said: git good just host a geyser instance somewhere else than your normal network

which is pretty much the only way to get it cheap

or pay for tcpshield

[clever widget]

theres x4b

i think they support udp

idk

[visual egret]

how does it know what attacks are going for you 🤔

its saying ddos protection but for nothing specific

[clever widget]

i think you tell them your service name

[cunning raft]

how do you think any ddos protection service knows whats a ddos attack and whats not

[visual egret]

they usually know what they are protecting

[clever widget]

.

[visual egret]

^

[spiral robin]

.

[clever widget]

some kid started playing survival on the dev server

wtf

[sand epoch]

make a new dev server

[left swift]

Make a new survival

[clever widget]

hmm

i mean why were they even on the dev server

[visual egret]

dev servers: highest security servers known to manm

[clever widget]

its the DEV server

[left swift]

Turn on a whitelist next time

[clever widget]

i know what i should do

./whitelist on

yeah

[visual egret]

no what do you mean i see its survival

nice survival server

[clever widget]

we are survival

thats what we are

1.16 survival

but some kid

was playing survival

on the dev server

which is really not suited for survival

expiermental shit going on

[unkempt drift]

is there an NBT editor for linux?

[clever widget]

https://www.google.com/search?q=nbt+editor+linux&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS867US867&oq=nbt+editor+linux&aqs=chrome..69i57.6623j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[unkempt drift]

I did google it ya know...

[clever widget]

https://github.com/jaquadro/NBTExplorer

NBTExplorer is compatible with recent Mono runtimes, at least 2.6 or later. Minimally, your system needs the mono-core and mono-winforms packages, or whatever package set is equivalent.```

[unkempt drift]

Oh, I thought that was only for windows. (prob cause Ive only used it on windows)

[clever widget]

literally

gooogle "nbt editor linux"
click on first result thats not an ad

make sure its really linux

[unkempt drift]

well the first link was a python package for converting to yaml...

[spiral robin]

[clever widget]

bruh what

are you using bing

[unkempt drift]

no, but I didn't use those exact search words.

so it would be different

but I went w/ https://github.com/Howaner/NBTEditor

[visual egret]

bing is a good search engine

it pays me moneys for using it

free gift cards are nice

[left swift]

Ransomware gift cards

[visual egret]

no they are real

[unreal quarry]

Bing: the search engine thats so bad they have to pay you to use it

[coarse lily]

It may or may not be a good search engine but "they pay me" doesn't make the search good.

Hi Billy.

[visual egret]

meh i dont care

it works

[warm anchor]

[visual egret]

just not as well as google

[warm anchor]

or ddg

[golden gust]

ddg is trash

[visual egret]

never really used ddg

[warm anchor]

idk have you seem bing

[golden gust]

Like, muh privacy, but, like, meh

Well, yea, but, like

low bars and all

[warm anchor]

I mean bing is really good for....ugh...porn? coz it doenst filter...

[cunning raft]

ofc you'd say that

[visual egret]

oh yeah

[cunning raft]

weeb

[golden gust]

step 1) disable safe search

[visual egret]

safe search is bullshit

on bing

[golden gust]

step 2) grab the... nvm

[warm anchor]

No no no no no jroy

[visual egret]

its horrible

[warm anchor]

This is blackmailing

[left swift]

[warm anchor]

[visual egret]

aikar 👀

[golden gust]

your servers drastically overloaded, the stack traces there are potentially (and are) 100% useless

[visual egret]

probably chunk pregen right?

since im doing that rn

dang

-75 seconds

[sand epoch]

surely someone's said something about pregenning on toasters

[coarse lily]

Most likely.

[visual egret]

its not that bad right

definetly better specs than the last one i was running it on

[sand epoch]

so you have a 15W dual core ivy bridge i5

and 4GB ram in total

[visual egret]

this was the last machine i was on:

[sand epoch]

where tf are you getting these from? 😂

[visual egret]

laptops

[left swift]

Is that a laptop

Oh god

[visual egret]

yes

[minor badge]

he's a kid -- these are laptops of the "my existing machine is too awful to use and i have just enough money for a less bad but still trash upgrade" kind

[coarse lily]

Yeah.

That means chunk gen is gonna take a while.

[golden gust]

7 year old mobile CPU...

[coarse lily]

Pick two, oskar: Fast, cheap, good.

[golden gust]

Yea, that's gonna perform amazingly

[coarse lily]

You're in the "cheap + good" venn diagram.

[golden gust]

YOur bar for good is down in hell, apparently

[visual egret]

chunky doesent have a way to make it slow down ._.

[coarse lily]

in this case "good" is "finishes".

[visual egret]

nasa computer moment

jk

[golden gust]

Oh, so, sorta like proxi, done in 5 seconds

[left swift]

😳

[visual egret]

speed

[left swift]

Wdym that's good enough to run a 100 slot 1.16.4 server on it

[visual egret]

i overclocked the old mobile cpu 1000 times to do this im so gud

[left swift]

Load up cpanel and start selling

5$ a gb

[warm anchor]

[visual egret]

wat

[left swift]

/s

[visual egret]

i got a 1tb hdd on this machine, so at least the map can be big

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[coarse lily]

You said it's 5k?

5kx5k?

It won't be that big.

[visual egret]

yeah i guess

[coarse lily]

It'll be ~500MB.

[visual egret]

nobody thats gonna be playing on it is smart enough to get that far

[left swift]

My world is 50kx50k and only 10kx10k is pregenned

[warm anchor]

Real man dont pregen

[coarse lily]

10kx10k is like ~2GB.

50k x 50k is like ~50GB.

[visual egret]

im gonna be honest though, this seed i found looks good

lots of biomes

[warm anchor]

tfw 10% mesa

[left swift]

Looks like a shit version of a world map

[visual egret]

bluemap ftw

[warm anchor]

yeah if that brown part is EU

very accurate

as for now

[visual egret]

oh yeah lol

[worn ember]

ur the orange

there is no yellow in the sc

[left swift]

[visual egret]

Which one is better:

or

[left swift]

Who

[minor badge]

at least it isnt an area covered in covid corpses :')

[visual egret]

britan is

[left swift]

Asked

[visual egret]

joe asked nomana

[minor badge]

ur mun last night

[left swift]

Joe mama is a nice lady

[visual egret]

yeah she tends to ask

[warm anchor]

[visual egret]

weeb

[minor badge]

eternity is NOT weeb

[left swift]

Haha oskar got u eternity

U got owned

[minor badge]

[golden gust]

I just wish mini would kick one of our bombs 😦

[warm anchor]

Oskar I ma tell your mom how naughty you are in PaperMC

[visual egret]

no u weeb

owned

[left swift]

We're such a bad influence we should ban Oskar to protect him from our bad influences

[minor badge]

when are eternity and brocc coming over to watch netjuu no susume w me 😔😔😔

[visual egret]

what is that

[left swift]

.

[minor badge]

not a series for kids .

[woven otter]

Weebs

[left swift]

[woven otter]

[visual egret]

what is papermc 2.0

[warm anchor]

omg I watched it... That's reallllllllllly goood

[woven otter]

Banable offense

[minor badge]

it has wotaku vibes

[warm anchor]

[left swift]

[waxen panther]

yes we are coming next weekend x

[minor badge]

[golden gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvU4KrfJP1Q [NSFW]

[woven otter]

This is a good one

[left swift]

Cat

[woven otter]

was in a spotify's playlist once

[golden gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cyIxkFLjWI

(also NSFW 😄 )

he gets on stage at like 0:30

[left swift]

Zoomer humor

[golden gust]

actually starts at like 1:40

[warm anchor]

[subtle hollow]

i regret updating intellij

i literally cannot move my classes into a package anymore

[golden gust]

you can revert from the toolbox unless you disabled that or are being weird

[meager tusk]

I had a similar issue. The module creation wizard just wouldn't pop up.

similar as in, update being weird

[subtle hollow]

UML class diagram being glitchy too

[ancient bolt]

who the hell uses UML class diagrams

[golden gust]

My uni said that they're used in the enterprise world

am not sure if I believe them

But, that's what they said

[ancient bolt]

they absolutely are not

[golden gust]

[unkempt drift]

my uni said that as well. had to make them for all my classes in a project we did

annoying as hell

[golden gust]

I just screenshot IJs graphs view :L

was much easier to just create the pretty UML pictures in there than it was to actually mess around with visio or whatever the crap it was

[unkempt drift]

I think some professors teach students what they did in the enterprise world like 40 years ago

cause ya know, technology companies never change what they do 😝

[ancient bolt]

at southwest airlines they had us make all kinds of stupid diagrams like that, UML and others, and submit them to the "architect" to sign off on them. The architect doesn't write any code (got offended when it was even brought up that he might write code, cause he's an architect) and we ignored everything he said. We just had the BA create some random diagrams for him and then threw them away after the meeting

but that's the closest I've ever gotten to an enterprise company actually "using" them

[ancient bolt]

That's exactly what it is. Also, many of those professors owned consulting firms so they're just teaching what they had their companies do

[unkempt drift]

probably a good reason why internships at "young" companies are a good thing

[clever widget]

how do i make money of a minecraft server

[cunning raft]

you can't

impossible

[clever widget]

.

.

.

[unkempt drift]

tell your friends they have to pay 20 to get in

[golden gust]

personally, I find that jotting out the entire architecture of a project or like, database layouts, etc, is so trivial to do for projects of reasonable sizes that I don't see the need in diagram

Don't spam

[clever widget]

actually

how tho

[cunning raft]

sell your server to bill gates

[golden gust]

We're not here to advise you on how to make cash

[cunning raft]

he will buy it

[unkempt drift]

yes, do what JRoy says

[golden gust]

Go google or something, there's probably like 200 guides on it

[limber knot]

I think jroy was right when he said you can't

[unkempt drift]

LOL

[clever widget]

ok yeah

[unkempt drift]

🧯 🔥 🔥

[true canyon]

Get incredibly lucky, such that your server becomes popular, and sell good cosmetic perks that your users want. Easy!

[golden gust]

cosmetic perks

unbans

[clever widget]

oh yeah unbans

[golden gust]

starts weighing the two

[unkempt drift]

ah yes, pay to unban.

[visual egret]

yeah bro buy my unban

[limber knot]

pay for creative mode

[unkempt drift]

pay for mod

[visual egret]

i dont care that you tried to crash the server

buy op

[limber knot]

on a towny server

[visual egret]

/op ~ £5000

how to get money

[clever widget]

yeah idc if you get unbanned just give me money
ill just ban you again if you break the rules
then you can give me more money to get unbanned

[unkempt drift]

ez 💰

[clever widget]

but how do i set up a shop

[visual egret]

tebex

[unkempt drift]

I thought it'd be a good idea if the postal service accepted money to not deliver mail (since its all junk anyways), but then the companies could pay the postal service MORE money to ignore your request to not deliver their ads.

[minor badge]

so do you say "pounds 5000" irl oskar

[visual egret]

no

[twin lagoon]

proxi uwu

[unkempt drift]

could make tons of money

[visual egret]

thats where the symbol is placed proxi

[twin lagoon]

same here

[visual egret]

you say "5000 pounds"

but its £5000

[twin lagoon]

€1,50,-

[clever widget]

try to make money from anything we've made; or
wait making money is against mojang eula??

[visual egret]

no

but yes

both

[minor badge]

no it isn't oskar

[unkempt drift]

yes, nobody who plays minecraft can make money Ever

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it's stupid is what it is .

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from anything

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but why is it in the eula

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you cant sell diamonds for money

thats what that line in the eula means

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oh so like mojang stuff

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no the line means that you can't make money from any of mojang's assets

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oh ok

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legal talk time 🍿

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like selling diamonds or emeralds or of the sort>

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wow tebex is so poggers

i guess i cant be a millionare

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need Legal Eagle to cover making money on MC servers

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bro whats up look no p2w server

totaly not breaking eula

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bruh i hate servers like that

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if my server ever becomes huge, im never going to be that much of a jerk

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who pays ~£150 for a rank

and why

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people like you

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children

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with their mom's creditcard

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its children

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and p2w != against eula

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who dont have a sense of value and money

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only if you have a leaderboard

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pay to win is okay as long as it isnt competetive and isnt mojang's assets

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Nah it's not pay 2 win

They only give 64 arrows

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correct

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i think i can understand now

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competitive was defined as a leaderboard iirc

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so if you sell something made by mojang its against eula, but if you're sellign ranks or unbans or custom items, its not?

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they just don't want you selling shit with their art