so has literally every other company
#general
next wind
unreal quarry
At least they're not like EA who buy companies and then disband them
@worn ember you know that's legit what microsoft does, yeah? They call it the 3 E's. Embrace, Extend, Extinguish
worn ember
They do. To search for google
cloud dawn
Yes I like my UI on a non touch screen computer to look like a tablet
with massive buttons
cloud dawn
nope
cedar spade
Not in 8
cloud dawn
you're stuck with this forced tablet looking UI
worn ember
@unreal quarry how so?
next wind
7 still had support though, right? couldnt you could just stick with 7?
unreal quarry
@unreal quarry how so?
@worn ember Google it. MS is even the company that coined the term
cedar spade
But tbh, 8's start screen and app search made it way more accessible to a decent chunk of people
limpid comet
im very certain you can use 3rd party programs to use the old menu
cloud dawn
I swear that dude threw the biggest tantrum
twin lagoon
limpid comet
developers, developers, developers, developers!
worn ember
Well I'm just salty EA disbanded Westwood studio's
cloud dawn
Anyone still remember those scroogled commercials
limpid comet
sounds like you only look at the bad side of a company
cloud dawn
They also killed off Windows XP now I can no longer play my favorite game
space pinball
I will never forgive them
limpid comet
they're running xbox into the ground so they can become king of game streaming
worn ember
I'm sure you can find a ported version somewhere
cedar spade
...you can still download and run XP if you want lmao
worn ember
Yeah and shit moves on
cedar spade
It was the childhood of many people here too
cedar spade
Life goes on
unreal quarry
well they also sorta ran the xbox into the ground
@spare venture tbf, it wasnt the Xbox or anything ms did that turned me away from it. It was the userbase. Bunch of angsty teens itching to tell you how good your mom is in the sack, etc :p
limpid comet
itching to tell you how good your mom is in the sack
me when i was 12
cloud dawn
I remember when I got banned permanently on xbox live because I yelled at a bunch of 12 year olds when I was...12 myself lol
so I had to make a new microsoft account
worn ember
@limpid comet me still today
worn ember
Only console I ever owned was a nintendo ds
worn ember
Can't dominate every market
cloud dawn
Remember Windows Phone?
I actually knew someone who had a Windows Phone
The dude kept it for like
cedar spade
Imagine owning a console beyond the 7th gen
cedar spade
9th upcoming
cloud dawn
the PS4 Pro is a good console
4K and HDR support
Doom Eternal looks sexy
Now consoles should start doing what would be the next best thing
and really start bringing support for mouse and keyboard
worn ember
Just get a pc at that point
cedar spade
the Xbox One already supports mouse and keyboard for certain games lol
cloud dawn
Some games do support mouse and keyboard
unreal quarry
i've gone xbox -> xbox 360/wii -> xbox one for 2 days, traded it in for a ps4 -> ps5
@spare venture I went atari -> nintendo -> super nintendo -> sega genesis -> n64 -> playstation -> ps2 -> ps3 -> ps4
cloud dawn
but the category is limited
unreal quarry
Lol
worn ember
Anyone remember having to install games using multiple cds?
unreal quarry
Anyone remember having to install games using multiple cds?
@worn ember anyone remember not having to install games?
cloud dawn
Remember when you can put a game inside a console
unreal quarry
Back in my day, you just ran them. No installs
cloud dawn
and it just plays
cosmic raft
Or, evenbetter
worn ember
You're talking cartridges right?
unreal quarry
You're talking cartridges right?
@worn ember cds, too (ps1, ps2)
worn ember
God I hated that
cedar spade
PS3 had some games that didn't need an install too
cloud dawn
Remember installing a game, but then needing the CD in for it to run?
@cosmic raft Wasn't that like some kind of piracy prevention method
cosmic raft
yes
worn ember
Just mount it
cloud dawn
Virtual CD drives enter the chat
Infact Windows 10 now will allow you to mount an iso
cosmic raft
DAEMON Tools :p
cloud dawn
as if it was a virtual drive
golden gust
Well, VCD worked for some stuff, other stuff needed actual patches, but, where generally pretty easy to find that stuff back in the day
cedar spade
Not just piracy prevention, some early PC games also relied on the CD drive to stream CD audio instead of storing it as files
golden gust
I remember my first time playing gmod using one of those sketchy steam client hacks
worn ember
Last game I bought physical was gta5 and it had 7 install dvds and then I decided it was time to switch
cloud dawn
Game developers try so hard to stop piracy, but everyone fails because THEY ALL HAVE WORKAROUNDS
golden gust
and yea, was gonna say the same as MD, some games you could caux to run without a disk, but, you'd have no actual audio
unreal quarry
stream cd audio
First I've ever heard it called steam lol
cloud dawn
infact I'm waiting for someone to find an exploit for the new nintendo switch
golden gust
was all about daemon tools because it supported mounting and had some hax to make it less visable to games tryna do checks, etc
cosmic raft
and I used to use https://www.daemon-tools.cc/ yea
worn ember
Kash earlier today: we don't talk about exploits here
Kash now: how to exploit with 2 easy steps
cloud dawn
Windows 10 will do it for you in explorer
dapper nacelle
what is a daemon
cedar spade
well, at that point your CD drive and sound card would be acting much like a CD player leaching off your PC; if it's CD audio then the audio is being played as it's read
cloud dawn
@dapper nacelle A daemon is a program that runs on startup in the background as a system process
cosmic raft
DAEMON Tools has proper uses, Dark:p
Windows never used to have an inbuilt ISO mounting feature
cedar spade
Many places also protect your rights to backup software discs and use them
worn ember
Just like yt-download right ;)
unreal quarry
well, at that point your CD drive and sound card would be acting much like a CD player leaching off your PC; if it's CD audio then the audio is being played as it's read
@cedar spade we used to stream music off records using a record player back in my day
runs away
cosmic raft
and I used to use DT for that
twin lagoon
i never liked DT back in the days
cedar spade
Windows only got ISO mounting in 8 (and didn't get exposed in UI until 8.1 or 10 iirc?)
golden gust
It was one of those "it was the best option" at the time
worn ember
That's why I said it
cloud dawn
I'm waiting for my favorite video downloader service get taken down too
like 4kvideodownloader
golden gust
I have no idea if the new system will work for as many games as it did in the past, I guess as they don't know what they're looking for
Those sites have been up for years
unreal quarry
Anyone here remember the original napster before metallica killed it? God, those were the days
cloud dawn
I swear corporations will do the most pettiest crap just to make a quick buck
golden gust
All you gotta do is host it in some sketchy place like russia, etc, and you're golden
cosmic raft
Never used napster
cloud dawn
like DMCA takedowns
golden gust
RIAA is basically a corrupted organisation who really shoud just buy a 20" and go f themselves
twin lagoon
20" what
cosmic raft
lmao
cedar spade
Record
worn ember
Lmao
cosmic raft
record, michael
unreal quarry
Oddly specific there
twin lagoon
television?
golden gust
Hey, if they can get it to fit, I'm all for it
worn ember
20" pp
cloud dawn
RIAA does realize people can repost the yt-downloader code somewqhere else right?
Like post it on a git hosted off-shores
cedar spade
They don't care, the most they thought was "there's a mole let's whack it"
worn ember
Ring 0 anti cheat?
golden gust
Well, there are questions if the DMCA is even legit or if RIAA are breaking the law there
unreal quarry
this conversation has made me miss something
@cosmic raft you know what I miss? This sound https://youtu.be/rdjYk-fle1o
cloud dawn
sudo apt-get install yt-downlo-OH CRAP THE FBI IS AT MY DOOR NOOOO
golden gust
But, the thing is that they're a fuckoff huge company with many lawyers on metric fuckton retainer money
cloud dawn
lol
cosmic raft
@unreal quarry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNXzMBA9VU4
golden gust
So, fighting them on the grounds of their DMCA actually being illegal, is very, you know... glhf, fuqdat
worn ember
@cosmic raft I used to present on gaming radios in tf2 and minecraft long ago
limpid comet
god that song is so nice
cedar spade
XP installation music best music
cosmic raft
it really is nice
unreal quarry
Gross @cosmic raft lol
golden gust
so sad, but true
unreal quarry
Lmao cortana
cloud dawn
to shut that retard up
unreal quarry
Does anyone leave that enabled?
worn ember
Its not even supported here
cloud dawn
I CAN INSTALL WINDOWS MYSELF
cloud dawn
@spare venture Because RIAA was snorting meth Because muh piracy, says RIAA
cosmic raft
?warn @cloud dawn Please be sure to follow the community guidelines - specifically regarding ableist speech
leaden oxideBOT
nolsen#1337 has been warned. || Please be sure to follow the community guidelines - specifically regarding ableist speech
cedar spade
You do realise some people do need assistive technologies right?
Better have the prompt that you can turn off, than get a new laptop and have to fumble around or ask someone else to set it up because it literally doesn't give you any indication what it's doing
unreal quarry
@cosmic raft back in my day, we didn't have install music because it didn't fit on the floppies
twin lagoon
golden gust
it's the magic that ytdl does to reverse the encryption of videos which is the issue, not downloading
cosmic raft
heh billy
cloud dawn
@cedar spade Yeah but I'm not a moron I can install windows myself
They literally baby it
cedar spade
I was under the impression it wasn't even the videos, just the URL to access the stream?
worn ember
@twin lagoon muricans amirite
golden gust
yes, quite easily, just, you won't get the proper quality, etc
cedar spade
You're not every single end user who might buy a new Windows 10 machine
It's not hard to mute it if you're already familiar with setting up W10
worn ember
The sound the readers made was nice
cloud dawn
Like I'm not retarded I installed operating systems all the time I don't need cortana up my face
unreal quarry
Ikr.. I invested a lot of money into zip disks, right before cds killed them
cedar spade
You're not every single end user who might buy a new Windows 10 machine
twin lagoon
you're not the average person
cosmic raft
yea dark
unreal quarry
Zip disks were amazing
worn ember
I still have a Leo game on a floppy
golden gust
Never had a zip drive, but, they look soo cool
unreal quarry
250mb floppy :3
cedar spade
wOw It CoUlD fIt 4 PaPeR bUiLdS
cosmic raft
shhh md
unreal quarry
250mb was a godsend compared to the 1.44mb floppies lol
cosmic raft
don't reveal our backup strategy
Z's closet is full of zip disks full of Paper builds
worn ember
Are floppies rewrite able?
cloud dawn
if i were you i'd read your warning
@spare venture what you talking about?
unreal quarry
Then cds came out and was like LOL 700mb
unreal quarry
I never liked cds, though. Could not rewrite on them. Even the rewritable ones were weird to use
worn ember
Burning cds 
golden gust
Well, issue is that you can't really random-write on CDs due to how they work physically
unreal quarry
I miss when storage was a constraint on game developers
@spare venture my first HDD was a massive 5.25" drive that held a whopping 33mb of data
golden gust
So, any form of edit basically means appending onto the end, or, zapping a sector before rewriting it
worn pasture
you think 5" is massive huh
worn ember
How did it work on hdds tho. Same tech
cedar spade
all hail modern boring flash storage
worn pasture
good to know i wont disappoint anyone
twin lagoon
cosmic raft
this just in, fresh from the archives
a picture of billy with a hard drive in 1979
cedar spade
HDDs are magnetic, not optical - they can just flip the bit, no need to literally burn the disc like you'd do to a CD/DVD
unreal quarry
:o
cosmic raft
heh
cedar spade
uhhhh hard drives aren't analog lmao
worn ember
I meant cds
cedar spade
Nor are CDs
cosmic raft
I'd love to see the faces of people who designed/etc those old huge hard drives
worn ember
That you have to burn them
cosmic raft
of seeing SSDs, etc
cedar spade
"wtf this is cheating I demand a refund"
worn ember
Well they're the ones that lead us here. They should be proud
golden gust
Well, the thing with HDDs is that you're writing data to a spinning disk
unreal quarry
@twin lagoon
worn ember
Lmao
worn pasture
golden gust
as you increase the storage capacity of a platter, you need the heads to be capable of not leaching over between tracks, and the accuracy of the heads if you wanna go anywhere soon
SMR is a bridge between the "not leaching over tracks" limitation, but, it's a fucking disaster
cedar spade
Red and orange books are CD variants, not hard drives
worn pasture
just like storage drives
golden gust
They've also got HDDs flooded with helium, etc, to improve it; But, yea, I'd say that we've realistically hit the limitations of HDDs without adding more platters or some massive revolution on HDD storage medium
worn ember
I just vaguely remember mys computer systems class lol
golden gust
But, really, with SSDs being so cheap, I doubt that we're gonna see a massive storage bump on HDDs these days
ashen cliff
I remember us using some really old 32MB IDE flash "drives". Good days.
golden gust
tapes one of the better options but generally shite for long term
ashen cliff
Initial investment for tapes is crazy tho.
golden gust
Well, long long term
worn ember
Yeah they cost like 12k
golden gust
investment, storage, etc
ashen cliff
For actually tape machines, not those 1 of drive trashcans.
worn ember
For one writer
unreal quarry
They've also got HDDs flooded with helium, etc, to improve it; But, yea, I'd say that we've realistically hit the limitations of HDDs without adding more platters or some massive revolution on HDD storage medium
@golden gust just buy a couple of these, slap them in a full rack, fill them with 16TB HDDs, and call it a day
waxen panther
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
ashen cliff
The good old days.
unreal quarry
Everytime I hear the word cassette I'm reminded of my childhood of having to do this because my player's rewind button broke
unreal quarry
:3
worn ember
That's how I broke mine
copper moss
Or when it gets out of the tape and you are trying to push it back in
worn ember
Yeah that was horrible
copper moss
with fingers crossed hoping it still plays 😆
unreal quarry
Towards the end of that era lots of players seemed to get sticky ... Would wrap the tape around the pulleys and ruin everything :(
worn ember
What did you do to that player billy smh
unreal quarry
Used it
ashen cliff
Due to the belts.
I still have some of them disintegrating in my drawer. Can't even clean that of the floor.
worn ember
Throw the whole drawer away
worn ember
cosmic raft
.1.17
limber knotBOT
limber knotBOT
ayy welcome Korobi you were missed
couldn't do what was necessary from mobile :p
rip
Kash did the needful
hugs mbaxter :3
:3
worn pasture
@twin lagoon
http://imgur.com/a/y20lzGw
serene bolt
my emails don't lie kash!!! I'll always know the original review!
but also, cats.
mighty storm
cosmic raft
hi @serene bolt !!
serene bolt
hello :3!!!
worn pasture
He slep
cunning raft
you should leave the irc outdated
true canyon
Having fun in "how to best store some byte data" land and was curious how protobuf was doing. Then I remembered that a single message storing a single string generates a 650 line java class...
warm anchor
Nice that Paper has its own IRC server now?
cunning raft
limber knotBOT
I very appreciate very much the IRC bridge very working again such nice very goodbye
potent fossil
1960s star trek is fun
untold copper
1960s star trek is ugly
potent fossil
You're ugly.
worn pasture
thanks
viral hornet
ur not ugly turbo
viral hornet
hot
worn pasture
does that change things
worn pasture
movember happened lul
unreal quarry
unreal quarry
yeah, online mode
best security, especially here in a few months when the MSA migration is done and we all have 2FA enabled
void void
yeah, online mode
@unreal quarry bruh
How does blocking commands
relates to paid minecraft
unreal quarry
dont?
void void
its an "imagine"
unreal quarry
i dont imagine.
void void
Okay then its an "lets suppose that"
unreal quarry
nah, there either is or isnt
i'm not bending reality in order to justify piracy
¯_(ツ)_/¯
void void
bro
Im just asking for a plugin lmao
I am not doing anything ilegal
okay I run an offline server yeye
unreal quarry
maybe. but your question is suspiscious... thats like asking a cop outside a bank what mask is best for hiding identities
its not illegal to ask or wear a mask... but come on
void void
it is simple to say "No i dont know a plugin that does that." or smthn but ok
golden gust
I mean, the best solution for security is to not disable the security mechanisms in place
unreal quarry
its simpler to just say we dont support offline mode
golden gust
Also, We're not google, it's getting tiring watching you seem to expect that of us
void void
I googled
But didn't found so I went to my second option
Asking for people's recommendations
unreal quarry
i recommend online mode = true
void void
okay
potent fossil
@spare venture only thing i've got left to watch is the original series, i've seen every other show and all available episodes otherwise
fav show vibes
golden gust
I mean, you're asking for a plugin which literally every competent auth plugin or 2fa plugin will already have support for
potent fossil
"i googled but didn't found" is all this guy ever says btw
cunning raft
you know you have to click the links chivitos right
golden gust
star trek movies kinda like, fell off the rails, tbqh
cunning raft
it doesn't put the answer in your brain
void void
since when
potent fossil
well jj abrams makes fucking shit star trek movies, they're so bad they have to say "this is an alternate universe"
golden gust
I think that the issue is that it's all political scapegoating
golden gust
They try to shove on a strong female character and it just generally detracts from the entire story
potent fossil
show does better plot lines with barely the same budget per episode
golden gust
Like, a character has to be likable
golden gust
Could you imagine watching TNG if picard was an unlikable arsehat?
potent fossil
yes
golden gust
potent fossil
you dont know wesley?!
potent fossil
voyager
golden gust
TNG because data
potent fossil
TNG is my number 2
worn pasture
ain't no one have a more punchable face than joffrey
golden gust
enterprise was tryna be too new age TV show
I think that the issue is that they re-create shows, alienate the existing fanbase, and then wonder why it basically fails
potent fossil
idk, I love how star trek runs. newer shows obviously cut corners, like...ok lemme see, new shows try to force ratings high by dragging a plot line over an entire season
whereas the older episodes introduce and wrap up an entire subplot in 1 or 2 episodes and then they all go together for a season encompassing story
golden gust
it depends on how much they can get in there
unreal quarry
golden gust
I mean, ask any haruhi suzimayia fans about "endless 8"
potent fossil
i might lowkey rewatch enterprise though, it wasn't very good but it wasn't terrible if im honest
worn pasture
season 8 did that series dirty
golden gust
don't recall ever really seeing it bar the odd ep here and there, just, wasn't my thing, TNG often caught me out flicking through channels however
DS9 on a "it's either this or enterprise"
potent fossil
sisko is a boss though
golden gust
I think part of the thing with TV shows these days is that you really gotta have a standout budget or basically be partnered with netflix, etc
There's so many shows out there that getting them onto the channels at a time where you wanna watch it is naff
I remember waiting up all night just to catch an EP of how i met your mother
and now it's like, I've either got a mate who's got it auto pulling, or, I can just watch it on demand or whatever
I just use a tv show tracker
Tells me whenever something I'm watching is released, also helps keep track of progress, etc
I don't really watch many TV shows, however, tbqh
I did rewatch the majority of S9 of HIMYM on the weekend, however...
copper moss
Yes! The Mandalorian is a must
worn pasture
i started watching mando, cancelled my disney subscription though
worn pasture
i probably ended up watching more docos than anything on disney+ lol
golden gust
youtube
golden gust
I mean, I purely raid youtube these days
few shows on prime
refuse to pay for netflix
potent fossil
im unironically tired as fuck and i feel like it's because i didn't have my quota of insane amounts of caffeine
only been awake for 5 hrs lmao
zealous wedge
time for a nap 🙂
i think the 100 was one of those shows that went through like 6 board ops?
unreal quarry
speaking of the 100.. i just watched season 7 and i gotta say that was the shittiest ending ever
worn pasture
so i definitely won't be watching that
ancient bolt
@unreal quarry oh didn't notice there was a season 7. God damnit. I thought the ending of season 5 was a great ending to the whole show
season 6 was fine if a little off the rails
guess I've come this far I need to watch season 7 anyways
finite wave
I stopped watching the 100 a while back
limber knotBOT
hey leaf!
limber knotBOT
leaf just can't talk
potent fossil
finite wave
Was he ever able to talk??
potent fossil
once upon a midnight dreary
worn ember
When he wasn't muted
golden gust
paper 2.0
limpid comet
Just reminded me of the Edgar Allen Poe ERB
hollow plaza
🤔
ancient bolt
paper 2.0? Next version will be Paper Series One X
finite wave
Scuse me
cosmic raft
Pro
ancient bolt
Ultra Max
finite wave
Slong
cosmic raft
HD
hollow plaza
Founder's Edition
cosmic raft
should I get pizza
potent fossil
yes
worn pasture
always yes
cosmic raft
ordered
finite wave
What'd ya get
cosmic raft
pepperoni
vernal moth
Good
potent fossil
should've been supreme
limber knotBOT
Jan why are you like this
finite wave
Hey City
limber knotBOT
Hello :3
visual egret
I’m thinking of starting C++ game dev when I unreal engine 5 or source 2 comes out, think it will be interesting...
finite wave
C++ 🤮
potent fossil
c++ aint bad
visual egret
unity is good enough rn for me
finite wave
C++ is more bloated than maven
vernal moth
If you wanna do game dev without the programming language being a hurdle, use godot with c#
finite wave
Hi simple.
vernal moth
It's ezpz for java devs
finite wave
C# is kindof weird
visual egret
you might say c++ eww but source 2 looks very promising
visual egret
thinking of moving from unity to either of those engines
limber knotBOT
real programmers make their own engines smh
visual egret
lol
visual egret
3 police officers just got on my bus o_o
ancient bolt
only time I'd make my own engine is for a 2d game
anything remotely 3d, including 3d side-scrolling, fuck that
finite wave
M8, 1+1=approx. 2 how hard can a 3d engine be.
limber knotBOT
just add one more dimension lol get gud
visual egret
yeah it isn’t that hard bro
vernal moth
Screams in transformation matrix
finite wave
Han, you wish
limber knotBOT
quaternions r hell tho
visual egret
not in C#
visual egret
oh no what is that
potent fossil
really, are those messages in there necessary
finite wave
Lel
vernal moth
.warn @finite wave rule violations in a jar are still rule violations
Fuck
?warn @Jan Tuck rule violations in a jar are still rule violation
leaden oxideBOT
I can't find user @Jan.
finite wave
This was grandfathered Mini
vernal moth
Oh god fucking dammit
potent fossil
232574916338253825
finite wave
This was already posted in here before.
vernal moth
So why share it?
finite wave
Cause i found it funny.
vernal moth
?warn @finite wave sharing a jar with racist messages and finding it funny
limber knotBOT
I mean tbf it does catch all the hackers
leaden oxideBOT
Jan Tuck#4727 has been warned. || sharing a jar with racist messages and finding it funny
visual egret
since you said its an anti cheat, im assuming its just watchdog messages in a plugon
limber knotBOT
racist?
zealous wedge
the fuck
finite wave
Woah
potent fossil
can yall stop
finite wave
I would like to say i did not expect that.
limber knotBOT
hiiiii z0w0 ;3
finite wave
Guess i'll keep to my religious preaching instead.
finite wave
? You wish to become religious?
limber knotBOT
good D: talking to the bot doesn't feel as nice
finite wave
That wasn't the "raw experience" he referred to karen.
limber knotBOT
way more comfortable this way
vernal moth
Also, just fyi, I didn't decompile that jar, community members found that rule violation
Uhhh, today is space balls day
33 years of that madness
limber knotBOT
I decompiled it. Was quite disappointed. 12y/o edge lord level of trolling, huge waste of time.
i mean do you really think jan could do better, city?
Anton Lundin Pettersson was a school attacker. Not really meme worthy :))
limber knotBOT
why are you all so lame today
mental meadow
?ban @void void Homophobic remarks
limber knotBOT
I expected more spice but this is just idk
leaden oxideBOT
NeverPleased#0285 was banned | Homophobic remarks
zealous wedge
thanks for actually doing something aurora 🙂
limber knotBOT
also I think Jan is incapable of doing anything good because he's Danish and that's just how they r
vernal moth
Danish ppl are the ones committing genozide on minks right now, right? 😂
finite wave
Yep
But not really cause it wasn't legal
So they are waiting for legislation making it legal
limber knotBOT
The fur industry is disgusting & it being the cause of virus mutations is just sad
ok city, i fully belive most danes are better than jan
u r wrong
have u talked to garbagemule?
have you met jan?
mossy vessel
Fortunately no
visual egret
This looks interesting
limber knotBOT
I have never met him in person because Danes all smell bad but I've talked to him for way too long D:
mental meadow
Stop the bullying pls
mental meadow
City that's not what I'm talking about :c
limber knotBOT
oh ok
vernal moth
@visual egret dw he was already moderated (maybe not harsh enough) for that, pls don't bring it back up
visual egret
okay
cosmic raft
new one?
finite wave
I feel offended at this nationality bashing
worn pasture
wtf is going on
unreal quarry
Fun fact: windows doesn't like installing to a nvme if an hdd is hooked up as drive0
finite wave
It doesn't?
unreal quarry
Had to rip open my laptop just to unplug the hdd
golden gust
Not really NVMe specific
windows always installs the bootloader to the first drive iirc
and will generally shit the bed if you have something like grub on the first drive, etc
The entire system is just busted
unreal quarry
Right, but it was throwing a specific error code about it
golden gust
really? o.O
I was just having flashbacks to many horrors
and that one time when microsoft took it upon themselves to break linux installs with their updater
wooo
golden gust
Yea, it probably shat itself tryna install the bootloader or something
mental meadow
Reminds me, I wanted to fix my bootloader so I can finally boot into Arch
For some reason uefi is just too stupid
golden gust
EUFI is generally fine, it's really all that mobo manfs botching it, etc
unreal quarry
First thing I do with any new pc is disable secure boot and enable legacy mode
Fuck that uefi shit
golden gust
oh god, XP was really fun on the MBP
Windows 7 too maybe, actually
Basically, if you install windows with UEFI on some mac models, you get screwed because of some of the drivers not being available, etc
mental meadow
Yeah uefi is just not recognizing my arch drive as a boot option for some reason
unreal quarry
I've already got windows preinstalled on the hdd, but it's rediculously slow.. after using nvme for so long you kinda forget about speed being a thing :3
mental meadow
I liked 98
98 was good
I was 7 and somehow managed to put the recycling bin into the recycling bin which promptly killed the OS
unreal quarry
Lmao
mental meadow
Fuck I felt so bad at that moment but looking back it's hilarious
unreal quarry
98SE was just extra backgrounds and screensavers iirc
golden gust
I curse thee to be stuck with vista
potent fossil
i wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy
golden gust
SE also included many dozen bug fixes, etc, iirc
Heck, even got IE5
Oh, yea, and SE was the first to have USB flash drive support, and
get this
cosmic raft
@golden gust runs IE6
cosmic raft
golden gust
What's fun is I used to have a windows VM which ran 24/7
mental meadow
Of course it had to be some sort of overflow
unreal quarry
Wasn't 98SE the one that crashed on stage when gates showed off plug n play?
golden gust
after a couple of months, especially if I accidently left chrome running on it, windows 7 would just slow down to a snail and just stutter
iirc, yea
He was demonstrating a flashdrive working from what I recall
God, I keep meaning to pick up some flash drives, I have this habit of making them disappear
twin lagoon
pseudo pilot
man i love online classes
cedar spade
no they sat at their PC for 19 days straight duh
pseudo pilot
no
i started the quiz like 2 weeks ago on accident
and i forgot to submit it until today
potent fossil
lmao
cosmic raft
lol
twin lagoon
cedar spade
cedar spade
limber knotBOT
send paper airplanes to your instructors and you'll guaranteed pass your class
minor badge
zml :D
stable sierra
Hi mental illness bots
potent fossil
?
quasi valley
they're just weebs
stable sierra
Dysphoria
quasi valley
not mentally ill
limber knotBOT
huh, when did we become mental illness bots
stable sierra
Dysphoria
potent fossil
this discord is simply filled with absolute trash today that's all
quasi valley
because of you weebs using irc again, everyone suddenly became ableist/sexist
cosmic raft
No, but I can make you fly
stable sierra
Cringe
quasi valley
cosmic raft
?kick @stable sierra Please be sure to read the community guidelines if you choose to come back.
leaden oxideBOT
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cosmic raft
see? flying
limber knotBOT
your kicks are powerful
quasi valley
flying like an ugly fish
limber knotBOT
so stronk
mossy vessel
quasi valley
or that ^
limber knotBOT
tbh i'd love a flying toaster
dapper nacelle
@woven otter https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/682441433298239494/775295432070397983/Screenshot_20201109-0127462.png
golden gust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTvwXI5DRbc | THIS ISN'T COMMERCIAL YET?!
quasi valley
technology has brought us so far
cosmic raft
.kneny
limber knotBOT
potent fossil
imagine you're hard at work but want toast, so just pull out smartphone and summon toaster drone.
quasi valley
technology needs to be stopped 
cosmic raft
bow to your new toast overlords @potent fossil
potent fossil
dont have to tell me twice
untold copper
hai :D
twin lagoon
@quasi valley uwu
unreal quarry
sitting in bath is amazing
potent fossil
wish you didnt even start
unreal quarry
what you talking about
dapper nacelle
toaster flies in bath
potent fossil
the toaster drone obviously has water vicinity sensors to shut down
dapper nacelle
oh yeah I overlooked the obvious
unreal quarry
does your bathroom not have those outlets with the test/reset buttons?
gotta have those outlets man
dapper nacelle
nope
wide chasm
Obviously i.e. after 70 dead
dapper nacelle
imagine your toaster drone getting hacked and it flies into your bath
unreal quarry
😮
zealous knot
You are at the full mercy of your body’s resistance
unreal quarry
i'm scared to ask where is "here" now.. i'm assuming some place where 240v is the norm
golden gust
I mean, toaster drone mode would likely not be running at a "scary" voltage
dapper nacelle
my dog is barking in front of my door 
golden gust
I mean, I'd imagine if you where actually gonna do something like that, you'd use like a kettle base type thing
zealous knot
Also some drones fly battery packs at pretty mean voltages too
golden gust
Yea, but worse it's gonna do is short itself out and the LIPO burns off your face
unreal quarry
hey, cat. does your bathroom have the test/reset buttons on the outlets?
zealous knot
15S packs can give like 68V ofc its not as bad as 240 but it still hurts
unreal quarry
that dog looks very kickable, ngl
golden gust
yes
dapper nacelle
ikr
golden gust
main breaker in the consumer unit has an RCD too
dapper nacelle
ok I came to the conclusion that my camera is shit
vernal moth
Isn't that pretty standard in Europe?
dapper nacelle
golden gust
kinda, sorta
vernal moth
You wouldn't die here if you put a toaster in the bath
unreal quarry
ok, just checking. i thought they were pretty standard all over the world
here in the states they are required by law
dapper nacelle
if its a made in China toaster you will die
golden gust
Basically, in the past, not required
2018 saw the 18th edition of the wiring code which now requires them
dapper nacelle
bruh as soon as you step in the water isnt't distilled anymore
potent fossil
my body is a temple
vernal moth
Here it has been required for much more longer
golden gust
So, 2019+ installs have to have an RCD on all circuits unless you can argue otherwise
vernal moth
More longer, yes
dapper nacelle
so you are saying that nothing will dissolve into the water while you bathe
golden gust
higher circuits over 32A have required them for longer, as well as outlets in "wet" rooms
dapper nacelle
so you bathe without soap
potent fossil
yes
dapper nacelle
ok
potent fossil
because i am pure
dapper nacelle
pure evil
golden gust
Tbh, even thought it's a new requirement, it's been the standard for years as one main breaker with an RCD built in is cheaper than just throwing in individual ones where needed
potent fossil
still pure
golden gust
and, by RCD I reeaaally mean RCBO's, which do the RCB + breaker thing
unreal quarry
golden gust
residual current circuit breaker with overcurrent protection
That's the erm, "debastardised" term
It's basically just an RCD and a breaker in one, which is pretty standard because it saves space vs having two seperate units
unreal quarry
tbh, idk much about electricity. i just know if you use scissors to cut a wire while its plugged in you get a pretty mean spark
golden gust
I used to work on switch gear which did stuff like keeping hospitals lights on when the power goes out
unreal quarry
that, and TVs hold their charge for a hell of a long time
golden gust
CRTs?
golden gust
Yea, they're basically just huge high voltage capacitors
unreal quarry
these things we have now are just large monitors
golden gust
read many stories of people going on free trips across the room
unreal quarry
i pulled one apart when i was like 12
golden gust
oh god
unreal quarry
saw a weird rubber plunger looking thing on the back side of the tube
unreal quarry
i pulled it out and there was jelly around the hole it was covering
vernal moth
A friend of mine got shocked badly after touching TV antennas
Was in hospital for 3 days for Monitoring, passed out for solid 5 min
unreal quarry
me, like the genius I am, decide to rub my fingers through the jelly
shocked the ever living shit out of me
woven otter
@woven otter https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/682441433298239494/775295432070397983/Screenshot_20201109-0127462.png
@dapper nacelle thats a lot of ducks
unreal quarry
felt like it pulled my finger into the hole, so i jerked it back as hard as I could
dapper nacelle
yes
golden gust
I pulled apart a disposable camera as it sorta got really wet and so I figured the film was probably naff anyways, went to a theme park on a rainy ass day, so, not much to take pictures of anyways, backpack was literally flooded
unreal quarry
my brother said there was an arc about 2-3 feet before it broke
golden gust
That was the day that I found out that capacitors can have a pretty nice kick in them
unreal quarry
lmao
golden gust
There was also the time I told my bother to stick his thumb across a lamp socket because i wanted to see him light up like in the cartoons
unreal quarry
we used to have the dollar store cameras we'd pull apart and use them as shocking toys
wide chasm
lol
dapper nacelle
or will I get warned
golden gust
I refuse to deal with moderation stuff on the basis that I really don't understand what upsets people these days
dapper nacelle
same
unreal quarry
I refuse to deal with moderation stuff on the basis that I really don't understand what upsets people these days
@golden gust shoot first, ask questions later
thats the texan way
vernal moth
Kek
I just tried to share an image of my fingers when I got shocked badly
Discord be like "explicitly content can't be shared here"
unreal quarry
mini confirmed dirty boy
vernal moth
wide chasm
I've never worked with PHP, so no
Actually I think I worked with it for 30 minutes, but still no
vernal moth
Basically, the cable of my fan burned away in my hand and I got shocked
dapper nacelle
I do doubt that a JIT will improve speed for most use cases of PHP
golden gust
nice
PHP's been JIT for years?
Oh, seperate to OPCache, they're just erm... more JIT than their past "JIT"
vernal moth
Do ppl actually use php to build new stuff nowadays?
dapper nacelle
PHP will get annotations too
vernal moth
I thought it's just legacy
dapper nacelle
no more having to parse comments
vernal moth
Everybody is migrating away from my experience
dapper nacelle
/**
* @ORM\ManyToOne(targetEntity="App\Entity\Media")
* @JMS\Expose
*/
private $image;
comment annotations are such a joke
golden gust
yes, people still work with php
dapper nacelle
but it is lowkey cool that comments are available at runtime
golden gust
PHP is old, but it's tried and tested
dapper nacelle
I put some comments above a field and it will be included in my api documentation that swagger generates
worn pasture
Was a PHP dev for 3 years. Don't miss it
golden gust
I think that many people are migrating from it, but, many issues these days aren't really PHP issues, but, legacy code-base issues
Which, with new platforms like node around, many people are just basically using it as an excuse to rewrite the app in something more modern
dapper nacelle
our legacy code base is so bad
untold copper
PHP or HTML??
golden gust
PHP has come a looooong way over the years, but, legacy code-bases and the tutorials haven't been updated either, so...
php and html are two entirely different things
worn pasture
Lmao
dapper nacelle
also the PHP framework Symfony that we use was a pain to migrate from 3 to 4 since basically the whole file layout was changed
Symfony 4 to 5 was an easy step
golden gust
I like PHP because it's easy to work with, even if it has some stupid ass moments
unreal quarry
i havent touched php since 5 was new
golden gust
I think that's the horror with node is that if you wanna get anything up and running with it, you gotta be more invested in tooling and all the crap people use
with PHP, you can literally just make it shit out HTML
unreal quarry
i still remember the big upgrade from 3 to 5 like it was yesterday
worn pasture
💩
golden gust
2new4me
dapper nacelle
I wish Symfony came bundled with Blade instead
worn pasture
Twig is still PHP lol
golden gust
I do kinda wanna get into web dev a bit more
But, erm...
That means dealing with things like CSS
and, designing things
golden gust
and if somebody comes in here using IE, I sweat to jebus
dapper nacelle
oh yeah, I feel ya
we write software for the government and we have to support IE
golden gust
just using bootstrap or whatever CSS framework is "the hype" these days?
worn pasture
Tbh I hate using PHP to generate html. Just run separate projects for frontend and backend
golden gust
It's not too bad, it's really just down to structure
worn pasture
Headless backend is 
dapper nacelle
I mean, when you don't need a frontend framework its really fast to build things in full php
when using a framework like Symfony or Laravel
twin lagoon
turbo 🥺
golden gust
I mean, I've worked with HTML for years on and off
worn pasture
twin lagoon
golden gust
I hate it, but, it's easier to poop out HTMl than learn whatever framework people are hyping these days, especially as when I generally pick PHP, it's coz I just wanna get to getting shit done
vernal moth
Bootstrap is still as nice as always imh
golden gust
I did learn a bit of node, but, I've kinda forgotten it, so :L
vernal moth
Especially without jQuery now
dapper nacelle
5 isn't out yet, right?
golden gust
I think that the thing with bootstrap is that it's bootstrap
vernal moth
It's out enough for me to ship it in prod 😂
golden gust
It's cool for just getting shit done, but, imagine if every site was using bootstrap?
vernal moth
I don't care about the design, I care about the functionality
unreal quarry
I hate it, but, it's easier to poop out HTMl than learn whatever framework people are hyping these days, especially as when I generally pick PHP, it's coz I just wanna get to getting shit done
@golden gust now you're sounding like a real boomer ^_^ \o/
golden gust
Like, yea, you can toy with the pallete, etc, but, it's not like you have too much artistic control, which is great for the whole "getting shit done" aspect, but, not when you wanna mek stuff pretti
unreal quarry
kids these days do things weird, amirite?
vernal moth
I override the design, you can't tell the site is using bootstrap
worn pasture
Fighting with bootstrap styles does my head in
worn pasture
Rather code styles from scratch
golden gust
Well, yea, but, by that point, I coulda just like, made my own CSS
Especially with scss ❤️
unreal quarry
puke blue @cosmic raft
cosmic raft
._.
worn pasture
Pale blue
dapper nacelle
uhg I will have to write data migrations
golden gust
puke... blue... tf are you taking?
dapper nacelle
it better not fuck up the production database
cosmic raft
thanks turbo
unreal quarry
^_^
golden gust
flyway ❤️
worn pasture
Cyan is 
limber knotBOT
100% bootstrap
my security prof uses the ikea website to demonstrate vulnerabilities. this is very swedish
unreal quarry
i see a site like that and i just see so much wasted space, mini
limber knotBOT
tho the guy is more italian than a pizza and he's very hard to understand
golden gust
That just looks like you ripped off one of those free HTML templates
unreal quarry
needs more blinking text and marquees
limber knotBOT
o billy i bet you love the incendo webpage then? no wasted space
unreal quarry
link me, city
golden gust
100% wasted space on first loading the page
wtf
Remember when people designed shit to be functional?
unreal quarry
hold on, i'll respond after i find myself from getting lost in this wasted space
golden gust
Now I know why people love free wheeling mice
It's coz they gotta go 10 miles to get to the content
limber knotBOT
i do have several iterations of mx master's so ig that makes sense
but cat, we got a bumpy button to scroll one "page"
unreal quarry
see, back in my day we crammed as much shit on your screen as possible.. there was so much shit that we had to start making things blink and flash just to grab the user's attention. before you knew it, every part of the page was blinking and flashing in competition of that attention...
golden gust
I mean, I have a mouse which has the typical set and two on the side
But, I can't control what those buttons do 😦
See, what weirds me out is when people full screen everything
limber knotBOT
all webpages should a 100vh logo on the top
golden gust
Like, I see people with large ass screens, and their content only takes up like 20-40% of the screen coz gotta look consistent
limber knotBOT
otherwise u might forget what website ur on
cosmic raft
@golden gust https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxaTAFXgykU
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marina 
limber knotBOT
proxi ur cute
merry talon
limber knotBOT
bulma is really nice
worn ember
i see a site like that and i just see so much wasted space, mini
@unreal quarry NO U
dapper nacelle
my friends are all able to work on their individual projects during their internships and I am stuck working on the backlog
worn ember
Citymonstret ew. Since when do you use irc
limber knotBOT
me irc user long time