Love all the new Rory emotes
#general
mighty storm
latent valve
zealous wedge
kashike~
vernal bone
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kash-sama >-<
cosmic raft
uwu
twin lagoon
🥺
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michale!
ancient bolt
Worked on my yarn-patches repo and got most of the setup done, depending if I get a chance to work on it tomorrow I should be able to start working on the first set of patches
vernal moth
Yarn patches = a central repo to make a fully decompiled and mapped version compile?
I guess once you got the setup, ppl could start help contribute?
ancient bolt
That's the idea
Rather than asking fabric to support tooling they'll never use, figure we could just be the central source for decomp patches for yarn and support them ourselves
vernal moth
Is this yarn mappings or intermediate?
ancient bolt
And I figure we could distribute said patches through maven like any other artifact
Intermediary
vernal moth
Ah ok, is it's still the plan to map to mojang using intermediary?
ancient bolt
Right
minor badge
this will be pogu
ancient bolt
I've got a nice Gradle setup that will allow anyone to clone the repo, run a setup command, make their changes, run rebuild patches, and go. The cool part is you can provide a MC version to target instead of the default which would allow going back and fixing mistakes it older patches, or creating new patches for a version that doesn't have any yet
vernal moth
So once we got that, we just need to remap and fix our patches (fix as in remove obf helpers and decomp fixes) and we done?
ancient bolt
There's a few nuts and bolts surrounding building I need to work out, but none of them should be very challenging
E.g. porting paperclip to Gradle, remapping back to spigot mappings after build, etc
twin lagoon
ancient bolt
Also I'm still undecided if we'll use intermediary or mojang mappings for patches - mojmap in dev for sure though. I've run into somethings where not having intermediary mappings would make things significantly more complex or straight up impossible. So if we stick with intermediary in patches (most likely) I'll need to add a remap back before patching system
ancient bolt
Yeah that's what I mean
But that means after changes are made we have to remap back to intermediary before committing and rebuilding patches
vernal moth
That way, these weird forge hybrids could even remap paper to mcp after patches 😂
heady spear
iconscout can suck my left nut. I purchased a subscription and now my account is bricked and I can't download stuff at all and their support keeps reading my messages without responding
ancient bolt
And exactly what that looks like, I don't yet know
vernal moth
Ah yes, rebuilding patches will take longer
heady spear
I think it's because I had a student subscription but why the hell would they let me pay in the first place. Smh. I'm gonna sue random Indians for my $3 😠
vernal moth
Well, hopefully we can consolidate patches, don't patch craftbukkit, etc, so we have less patches in total
heady spear
also u guys are horrible at using channels, this clearly belongs in #paper-dev smh
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@heady spear dumb
ancient bolt
users would either need to manually remap back before committing (easy to mess up), commit a huge commit after remapping so the user just commits their normal changes and we remap that one patch (most likely but the git magic to make that work will be ugly) or have the user run a custom command to create a patch - basically do the first option but automated as a script. Not sure how the dev experience there would be
#2 is the nicest and my preferred, but the most complex
Doing patches in mojmap would remove this step entirely tho so I'm working on fixing the issues I'm having to not require unique member names instead
So we'll see, whatever comes of it we have options
quasi valley
what's the challenge/problem with having patches in moj mappings?
asking because I kinda don't understand the intermediary part 👀
zealous wedge
it would be vulnerable to patches breaking due to mappings changes
intermediary is the class_1234, method_4859 names, that are automatically generated using Matcher to be stable
so even if mojang decided to rename a class, the intermediary names would stay the same
quasi valley
that can't be the only downside, can it?
twin lagoon
zealous wedge
also maybe licensing whatever
there's also the advantage of if you have patches in intermediary, then people can dev in yarn or mcp or whatever they feel like
quasi valley
I see, thanks for explaining it
ancient bolt
When dealing with patches and remapping specific things around patch remapping, there are cases where you have member names and no other information (or the fully qualified info is hard to get)
zealous wedge
of course, having patches in intermediary means code review is more difficult, and paper has to have a reliable way of remapping patches ^
ancient bolt
Intermediary names are unique - a bare name fully qualifies it by default, solving that problem
Remapping patches around intermediary names is trivial for the above reason. Impossible (without absurd tooling, which I'm also building) without
Code review qualms can be helped a little with tooling like the MCP browser plugin
quasi valley
ah heh
ancient bolt
But at the end of the day we'd probably set up something to automatically remap patches in PRs for review
Best solution is still to use mojmap, and just accept the downsides - if it doesn't make our other tooling impossible
dapper nacelle
anyone here who used WSL2 for docker?
docker on windows is really really slow compared to on linux for me
will it actually improve?
quasi valley
™️
vernal moth
I mainly just run databases in docker
dapper nacelle
it took me like 15 seconds for a page to reload on our Symfony project and on linux it happend alsmost instantly
dapper nacelle
it absolutely blew my mind how much of a performance gain it was going to linux
ancient bolt
Docker on windows is just a VM
vernal moth
Yeah something is wrong there
dapper nacelle
docker automatically picked up on wsl2 asking me to enable it
do I have to do any further configuration?
dapper nacelle
how tf do I clone my project in my linux distro
ashen cliff
A yes another Bluetooth exploit, that won't ever have a public exploit/PoC.
tired heath
JustDylan how tf do I programm my tv channel list in my city apartment
merry talon
where tf is bluetooth being used where security is important
merry talon
dear god
I've pretty much never had a good experience with bluetooth anything
audio is delayed, low quality and drains my phone's battery
most other things are unreliable
ashen cliff
Get a better phone/device you are connecting to.
merry talon
no some of that is literally just protocol overhead
ashen cliff
Not on my devices™️.
potent fossil
Hey guys
Ivan hath delivered a truth bomb and we should all bow to his excellency https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/rant-minecraft-is-not-single-threaded.462694/#post-3942931
quasi valley
"The lack of knowledge amongst the minecraft community"
how nice to see Ivan enlightening the minecraft community with his endless knowledge
potent fossil
what the hecc is his purpose in making this
quasi valley
enlightening the minecraft community with his endless knowledge of course
twin lagoon
What probably people mean to say is that "minecraft is single CORED". See, its CORED, and not THREADED. There's a difference from the earth to the moon between a "thread" and a "core" . In fact, there are some (rare) cases where it can take advantage of multiple cores (for example, when you force upgrade your world).
tired heath
Is this real or some fun post troll?
potent fossil
new copypasta michael
twin lagoon
oh my god yes
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lmfao
quasi valley
"Minecraft can take up advantage only of 1 cpu core in most of the time."
WAT
it's time for this again https://i.imgur.com/dWb0B8s.png
tired heath
Can I steal this "There's a difference from the earth to the moon between a "thread" and a "core" ."
twin lagoon
simple gets me
twin lagoon
quasi valley
there you go https://i.imgur.com/Na2ElAv.png
potent fossil
no
twin lagoon
simple hows dbh
tired heath
potent fossil
i didnt buy it
twin lagoon
buy it
quasi valley
how's this https://i.imgur.com/MitQHYC.png
tired heath
fits 100%
potent fossil
beautiful
potent fossil
quasi valley
tired heath
no, is not angry enough, not representing the reality
rotund cargo
potent fossil
This aged well https://owo.whats-th.is/VTAyi8Y.png
quasi valley
your profile isn't even public 
quasi valley
beautiful
zealous wedge
nah im pro-bullying
potent fossil
The Developer of Yatopia Knows All
ashen cliff
AuthMe rewrite when?
rotund cargo
Is it sarcastic ?
potent fossil
no
golden gust
cosmic raft
hallo
quasi valley
gets
rotund cargo
zealous wedge
Guten Morgen uwura
potent fossil
Uhura <3
void void
Hey guys
is there a way to add command rewards in the voting shop from ''votingplugin''?
Currently have this but i dont know if i could add a command somewhere
potent fossil
void void
im sorry im new to developing
potent fossil
Got there from the https://owo.whats-th.is/4kc5vAQ.png link on the resource
has nothing to do with developing
void void
dont really know about github stuff but ye
potent fossil
dont need to. link is on the resource page on spigot
only thing required is reading comprehension
chrome quest
Any mac experts around?
twin lagoon
just ask
chrome quest
Do any of you know what that 48GBs listed as other could be?
twin lagoon
chrome quest
That doesn’t help. It says my hard drive should only be 32.2 GBs full.
void void
ah yes
never ending plague with macos
seems like only solution is reinstall macos every month or so
humble falcon
@chrome quest how much logs do you have jeez
Are you crashing your mac every min or something
chrome quest
What do you mean?
I did a factory reset like 3 days ago and after I reinstalled everything it only took 20 GBs of space, including the OS.
What logs? How can I view them and delete them?
@humble falcon
humble falcon
well you probably need 3rd party tools but also try removing ~/library/caches
it's 2 gigs for me
might be bigger for yours
but yeah get a tool to clean that for you
chrome quest
My library caches aren't that big. They're only like 1.3 GBs last I checked.
humble falcon
I'll actually also be trying cleanup tools so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
ashen cliff
I got mad at a plugin adding auto log cleanup. 9 months of logs gone.
heady spear
they don't. the 2 things responcible here are java and mojang's spaghettios. see in order to make java use multiple cores you need to create a lot of threads constantly, the problem with minecraft is that it is based around a main thread, and for that you blame mojang's spaghetti.
what
ivan
what
@minor badge help this gief headache D:
mental meadow
I didn't know Mojang sold pasta 😮
heady spear
Swedes love their pasta
heady spear
makaroner o kötbullar is v Swedish
or köttbullar med potatismos, lingonsylt och brunsås
mental meadow
does the second one mean köttbullar with potatoes?
minor badge
time to do some basic JNI, city
heady spear
In public projects such as Bukkit, Spigot, Sponge etc, once an API is commited. It's almost forever. You can't go breaking it without solid justification. This is the politics game.
ivan is a poet
This is a lot of politics that we don't have time in our lives to deal with.
mental meadow
right because its not called meatball
heady spear
I mean when I still ate meat I didn't hate the IKEA meatballs
mental meadow
meatball sounds horrible
minor badge
yep
heady spear
he's not even bulgarian
the current minecraft developers still do spaghetti, so the correct thing should be notch's and mojang's spaghettios.
but like
how is spaghetti = one thread per core
is he high
golden gust
No, that's aikars
vestal jasper
Idk I've learned to save myself the effort and never take anything seriously from anyone with the word Plays or MC in their username
heady spear
k
golden gust
i forgot what I was doing
vestal jasper
dw city I never took you seriously anyway
mental meadow
vestal jasper
ok
70% chance it's kash, 30% chance it's cat
I say kash because every time he trolls he doesn't say anything
mental meadow
It's like when you're a white drug dealer in a black neighbourhood, police never suspects you
heady spear
or if you're a black drug in a dealer neighbourhood
warm anchor
worn ember
What's your yt cityplaysmc?
heady spear
sethbling
worn ember
Fake
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is real
worn ember
He's not swedish
minor badge
thats what he wants you to think
how else would he be able to conceal his sethbling identity
worn ember
Well I'm sure it's not hard for him
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@heady spear im installing openjdk and gcc to prove ivan wrong . . . .
limber knotBOT
does anybody know if velocity has an irc?
worn ember
Don't even bother. We already know he's wrong. He's the only one that's too stupid to realize
I don't think so phoenix
limber knotBOT
meh
limber knotBOT
if only they had a usable means of text based communication
warm anchor
Let’s go back to emails
limber knotBOT
email is still the prefered medium for text based communication with longer texts and complex topics
so no need to "go back" to something that is still heavily in use ;)
well I guess forums kinda tried to replace that but they are glorified mailing list viewers anyways
warm anchor
Is there even any good forum left
That doesn’t get turn into god aweful redddit “subs”
limber knotBOT
wat
warm anchor
Like for discussion
limber knotBOT
there's tons of forums depending on the topic that you need
one could even argue that stuff like reddit and stackoverflow/exchange are kinda like forums
warm anchor
I guess so
limber knotBOT
but w/e I actually wanted to check why the velocity forum was down and if people are aware ¯_(ツ)_/¯
worn ember
forums suck
its fine for like updates and shit but god is it bad for asking for support
life chat is so much better for that
limber knotBOT
writing and reading tons of text in a chat that alsways gets derailed and has half a dozen conversations going is a bit annoying though lol
for more complex issues a forum is definitely the better solution
also people are able to just search their issue and find it, with live chats you can't really easily do that
void void
dope
reorganized the pipeline
it was a horrible mess before
idk if i have the picture of it anymore
but base was parallel with tasks to the right of it rn
and lines were horribly drawn
also clearly the order of image building was fucked up
cedar spade
Velocity forums are up for me?
paging phoenix616
Velocity had an IRC in the early days but I think Tux ditched it
quasi valley
irc 
limber knotBOT
down here: https://is.paper.sexy/fL95whst.png
wait a minute
wtf chrome 👀
mfw force-refreshing solved it
wat
I need force reload every page I open. wat
now it works, odd
ashen cliff
It does that sometimes.
cedar spade
this is why we use Netscape Navigator
heady spear
the WWW*
vestal jasper
@heady spear
heady spear
what
heady spear
ok if u don't watch it then this face finna be buried deep inside ur ass so
worn ember
latent valve
stray oyster
help I have a failed vmware host and I dont want to deal with this crap
I hate fridays
even more than mondays
worn ember
just run, and dont look back
stray oyster
I cant exactly do that. Security would sure as heck stop me
latent valve
ashen cliff
If it dies, it dies.
stray oyster
Well
First I had a storage issue
then a backup issue
then a snapshot issue in vmware
and turns out the management services on a host have failed
and it has production-critical stuff on it
ashen cliff
Legit wanted to say that.
ashen cliff
On the end, you didn't update the power supply chip firmware, so it fried itself.
HP/Dell flashbacks.
ashen cliff
INB4 bug fixed: "Out of threads error on systems with more than 32 threads.".
stray oyster
guess what hostapd just crashed
and I cant revive it
soooooooo
I dont have a control process for the machines left
ashen cliff
👏
stray oyster
I wrote this ungodly python script for this very reason
guess what vsphere-HA is working against me
cause I can still create snapshots
but doing that will halt the heartbeat over SAN
lavish nova
twin lagoon
lavish nova
you had to donate to https://tiltify.com/@discord/pride-2020-lgbtq-freedom-fund
lavish nova
not a trademark 😡
fallen oracle
Ooo looks cool
heady spear
what did they do? fixing bugs doesn't fix the code, nor the performance. mojang expects that if they fix a bug or 2 the game would have better performance, but its not how it works. the major problem is still there
ivan is being smart
worn ember
its a start at least
heady spear
ivan is such a good engineer
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@heady spear uwu
heady spear
he criticised mojang for being bad engineers so he's clearly a good one
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i wanna be your stepmum ded xxx
worn ember
ashen cliff
Ivan. Brother.
https://posili.me/i/2020-09-11_15-46-40.png
minor badge
which server
ashen cliff
AuthMe. Dev channel.
heady spear
also daily reminder
ashen cliff
Good thing we share some trash friend.
heady spear
minor badge
literal death threats
find the discord tos part that bans death threats and send to a spigot staff tbh
fallen oracle
You'll see why he's banned from most community Discords.
minor badge
most of them are dumb enough to view that as a threat 😎
@serene bolt included! imagine staffing spigot >:(
fallen oracle
Pure always reads my messages.
Now responding on the other hand.
Dude ignores my good morning DMs
heady spear
it was funny because we also called him out for being a homophobe
and he responded by saying that he isn't because he's not gay
fallen oracle
What
minor badge
@fallen oracle good morning x
minor badge
i cant wait to be banned from spigot 😎
slim nymph
worn ember
we need new content for #spigotdrama tho 😢
heady spear
literally no one is stirring anything
worn ember
yes
fallen oracle
Proxy I'ma be real
twin lagoon
i am stirring soup
wide chasm
Drama creates itself, no need to push it
fallen oracle
It took like me 10 minutes of staring at your message last night
To understand what you were talking about
fallen oracle
You did me dirty and I was beyond confused
But yes I will agree
Alrighty back in a little bit, gotta get ready to head to campus.
waxen panther
@minor badge
heady spear
I wanna go to the store to buy bread n popcorn
but I also don't want to stand up
come carry me proxi
waxen panther
I leave tomorrow and I still haven’t started packing
worn ember
where you going
minor badge
are u being dumb again city
worn ember
when isnt city dumb
limber knotBOT
I know that there are IJ dev ppl in here
how large is my chance to get a 6 year old language support plugin to work in IJ 2020.2?
worn ember
waxen panther
pinged a notable 
worn ember
wide chasm
reeee ban
waxen panther
you'll never get me
void void
what the fuck is your name
vernal bone
Hello! I'm currently switching my server's os from ubuntu to debian. Does there any noticable changes/settings that sould apply?
golden gust
it's quite practically the exact same OS, just more outdated crud generally
vernal bone
I head that debian has a better server side preformance.
vernal bone
I'm also switching from java 8 to java 11, and upgrated my server's cpu to a Intel Xeon E5-1630v3, 3,7 Ghz.
topaz mortar
From which cpu?
vernal bone
An old amd one, I don't know the full name now, some Phantheon.
the only thing that I know is that it's bad
topaz mortar
Ah ok.
vernal bone
Well, i've got 16gbs of DDR4 2133MHz.
For mc I didn't noticed any difference between ddr3, and ddr4.
celest terrace
Can someone help me? I want to iterate through this array with GSON:
{"donations":[{"username":"shayley","gross":20.99},{"username":"vacoup","gross":33.98}]}
String donations = result.getBody().toString();
JsonObject jsonObject = new JsonParser().parse(donations).getAsJsonObject();
This is what I got so far... How can I get donations and then iterate through that?
mighty storm
i dont know gson but with org.json you just do .getJSONArray("donations")
so probably something similar
quasi valley
a jsonobject doesn't have that many methods, just go through the ~5 methods and you'll find the correct :p
golden gust
you have a json object
topaz mortar
Never used it that way. Always using classes.
golden gust
Well, whatever the map one thing is
quasi valley
so .get(String).getAsJsonArray()
golden gust
But, basically, you wanna ^^
mighty storm
ew gson looks weird
quasi valley
you... iterate it
celest terrace
Can I iterate through that?
mighty storm
based
celest terrace
Because there should be 2 objects inside {"username":"Sethcon","gross":9.99},{"username":"vacoup","gross":10}
quasi valley
do you even Java, bro
golden gust
Just use an enhanced for loop
getAsJsonArray returns a collection of JsonElement's or something
get that as a json object
and then you can get the info off it with the get methods
celest terrace
Yes so it's correct there are objects inside the array right
ancient bolt
e n h a n c e d f o r l o o p
celest terrace
String donations = result.getBody().toString();
JsonObject jsonObject = new JsonParser().parse(donations).getAsJsonObject();
JsonArray array = jsonObject.getAsJsonArray("donations");
for (JsonElement pa : array) {
JsonObject obj = pa.getAsJsonObject();
String gross = obj.get("username").getAsString();
String amount = obj.get("gross").getAsString();
}
Something like this probably, Im gonna test that out 😄
gg
after literally 8 hours of trying to figure out how to use json in java, i've done it. no no, we've done it. thanks a lot
yeah xD
it's 1000x easier to use objects and arrays in php
foreach($request->obj as $obj)
topaz mortar
prototyping...
celest terrace
that's javascript tho right lol
quasi valley
mighty storm
hm?
quasi valley
that's paper's versions, but what does that have to do with the issue
mighty storm
I wonder if we should use the existing paper api to get a list of versions for paper
There's no way to get that from API.
that
topaz mortar
Don't care PHP is not the language I prefer.
waxen panther
php 😶 🤚
quasi valley
basically pointless, since only a fraction of those would actually be checkable, and it's more of a one-time listing
celest terrace
php is da best
mighty storm
oh yeah and do what mojira does and if you select an unreleased versions it yells at you and unselects it
can't use rory emotes in #announcements 😔
issues are gone 🦀
gopher it
compact zephyr
where do i download 1.16.0
waxen panther
compact zephyr
that's minecraft
compact zephyr
paper
waxen panther
minor versions aren't supported
use the latest paper build which is 1.16.3
also, 1.16.0 was out for about 8 seconds
queen swift
So... Why TF 1.16.3 comes out? I mean its just for a single mayor bug fix? Or im trippin?
twin lagoon
a dupe bug
it's indeed not the best release out there
protocol bump wasn't necessary at all
quasi valley
very mayo fix
I'd argue protocol bumps are ALWAYS necessary as long as we don't have any other means of determining a client's version
¯_(ツ)_/¯
queen swift
Aight so, I'll stuck in 1.16.2 xD aint updating 11 server just for a dupe fix
haughty bear
or you could update so that you still have support
ashen cliff
Should legit just be drag and drop since nothing else really changed.
upper flicker
wow look at the mods go
twin lagoon
petition to ban z750
upper flicker
oof
twin lagoon
for ghostpinging members
mighty storm
smh
cunning raft
promote z750
queen swift
Yeah i know, but deam, probably a lot of plugins are gonna get buggie af
mighty storm
text? In my KITTEN channel? it's more likely than you think
limber knotBOT
nothing changed in regards to plugins
upper flicker
if chew's avatar is a cat, and I ping her in the cat channel, isn't that okay? 
twin lagoon
well yes but actually no
cunning raft
yes
cunning raft
That plugin shouldn't be allowed to exist
limber knotBOT
^
cunning raft
They're hard comparing version string like a moron
quasi valley
how
cunning raft
ignore the time essentials broke
queen swift
latent valve
U r broke michael
cunning raft
Tbf that was mds fault since he broke version string regex
mighty storm
@twin lagoon #rory-images is a news channel just get kashike to follow it to #adorable-pets so rory automatically gets sent everywhere
latent valve
cunning raft
twin lagoon
we want rory
twin lagoon
are you okay
queen swift
Ight Imma Head Out whit the 1.16.3
mighty storm
i forgot the prefix so i used all of them
upper flicker
plugin life like
latent valve
cunning raft
Weeb shut up
mighty storm
choice 3: pr paper and use paper api instead of nms like a SANE person
cunning raft
^^ best option
wide chasm
Oh 1.16.3 added the outdated build delay back, how fun
ashen cliff
Just rerelease 1.16.
cunning raft
Chew no talk only merge!!!
mighty storm
which is worse, this?
upper flicker
reintroduce bugs to get new contributors
cunning raft
that's my essx pr model
cunning raft
except I pad my own stats
fleet ferry
2nd one
mighty storm
weeb?
latent valve
fleet ferry
at least when I code I get about 50 random errors somewhere no matter what and they don't impact anything at all, instead 2 red alerts means that my code is utter trash and I should feel bad about myself
quasi valley
implying we already have 2.0 because of some guidelines
mighty storm
sorry i forgot to import
wide chasm
Yes, major revision bump each time we do something
fleet ferry
ah, lovely
wide chasm
Announcement post? Welcome to Paper 3.0.
fleet ferry
only 838 red alerts
queen swift
sorry i forgot to import
@mighty storm Time to sleep i think
fleet ferry
can we get to 1k?
quasi valley
except for when you do something major, so everything breaks because people expect little change
wide chasm
"We're hard forking, welcome to Paper 2.0.0-b0.2"
cunning raft
I can't be racist in paper anymore!!! Literally unusable!!? I'm switching to PurPur!!!
queen swift
Wait, is that an actual thing/fork? xd
cunning raft
I hate weebs the most
cunning raft
PurPur is the rideable fork
latent valve
Who like pineapple or banana on pizza?
wide chasm
Gross
fleet ferry
I am Italian
wide chasm
Well, haven't had banana
mighty storm
dont answer he's just gonna put some anime girl eating a pizza
wide chasm
But pineapple is gross
twin lagoon
cunning raft
Wtf
minor badge
@twin lagoon michale uwu
fleet ferry
My goal now is to hunt down @latent valve and I guess force him to prepare a good pizza
twin lagoon
proxi please watch the video i just sent
quasi valley
michale wtf
upper flicker
Paper 2.0: The mods are taking over
mighty storm
2 minutes
twin lagoon
the video describes kenny's daily life
minor badge
that is kneni yes
mighty storm
why is it doing this
quasi valley
boy do I love hugging and squeezing balloons
quasi valley
oh no
mighty storm
ah it was Show Members
queen swift
The ballons guy kinda cute ngl 
mighty storm
👀
quasi valley
is your name Dave by any chance
mighty storm
what happened to pasting code and it auto importing
quasi valley
only if you copy from IJ
mighty storm
smh
woven otter
weeb
latent valve
Fuck
latent valve
I mean duck
woven otter
😭
mighty storm
is a enum method not considered a "Constant expression"?
smh my head
back to if statements I guess
ashen cliff
Time to start using mitigations=off on my AyyMD systems.
cedar spade
chew: is that java?
quasi valley
an instance value of an object is not a constant
minor badge
knenwald 🥺
mighty storm
converting yet another ruby bot to java
golden gust
needs to be compile time consistent
mighty storm
smh
mighty storm
yes, im checking if they have a specified role by ID
but there's no member#hasRole(String id) method
so I gotta say if member's roles contains this enum's "role ID" then say "yeah they have this"
cunning raft
make a util class and iterate thru role list
mighty storm
im doin that
I wish java had the thing with ruby where you can just tack on methods to existing classes
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://kotlinlang.org/docs/reference/extensions.html -- Extensions - Kotlin Programming Language: "This is done via special declarations called extensions. For example, you can write new functions for a class from a third-party library that you..."
mighty storm
class Array
def average
sum.to_f / total
end
end
[1, 2, 3].average # => 2
like that?
ok wtf is the List object from java.awt
keeps suggesting itself to me like no
upper flicker
java.awt.List is the one, the example that makes everyone reeee about * imports
limber knotBOT
so, uh, are nouns secretely gendered in English or how does that work? because I wouldn't usually refer to a player or user as "it" but using "he" or "she" if you don't know the gender seems odd? 
upper flicker
english has evolved a singular they
cedar spade
they
mighty storm
they
upper flicker
it's not historically proper but its common use now
limber knotBOT
I guess but that still seems odd to me, lmao
maybe because everything is Gendered in german
mighty storm
anyway, a "Player" is human, so it's not "wrong", just dehumanizing
upper flicker
wouldnt surprise me if that was "accepted" by le books eventually
limber knotBOT
and they is the same as she in German xD
mighty storm
hell yeah
cedar spade
English has certain words that can be gendered in some contexts (countries and ships are the ones that come to mind) but not many people do that in common speech
limber knotBOT
so rms is "trolling" with this I guess: https://is.papr.best/fJ45Gxor.png xD
upper flicker
yeah RMS is being RMS there
limber knotBOT
upper flicker
oh the her there refers to the user not the server
cedar spade
inb4 shey
upper flicker
the user, she, is sending data to the server
limber knotBOT
he uses it for both
upper flicker
I dont think he does
limber knotBOT
or well, hm
upper flicker
I think he's just framing the sentence very poorly
his argument is it's still the user computing even though the server is performing it
limber knotBOT
I guess the "her own computing" is saying that it does the "computing of her, the user"
mighty storm
ezpz
upper flicker
I don't like that, yeah it's not as clear as it should be
quasi valley
and even if not, that's a hella dangling modifier
upper flicker
English 101 with Paper
mighty storm
lmao
quasi valley
no, Ivan is always right
void void
go back to tinkering with via
wide chasm
Ivan designed the Bukkit codebase
mighty storm
does UncheckedIOException extend RuntimeException like a reasonable exception
quasi valley
I already implemented all of Ivan's wisdoms into Via of course
void void
yes
mighty storm
thank god
void void
otherwise i would not suggest that
quasi valley
hence it's called unchecked
mighty storm
ok i get it geez
quasi valley
void void
also with kotlin you don't have checked exceptions :^)
quasi valley
void void
or well, don't have to catch checked exceptions
wide chasm
void void
if it burns, then it'll burn
upper flicker
blessing and a curse
quasi valley
we both won I guess
mighty storm
let's check irc
void void
stef u suk
wide chasm
Wow, 2-1
mighty storm
irc will confirm
void void
mods
upper flicker
kotlin: We give you a rope, a chair, and a ceiling fan. You can do anything. Try not to hang yourself
wide chasm
Alright, alright, you win kenny
cunning raft
wide chasm
hands over medal
void void
mighty storm
@limber moon curl -JLO https://papermc.io/api/v1/paper/1.16.3/latest/download i think
that too
rose lion
The Kotlin hate saddens me 
mighty storm
if im gonna use not-java ill just use groovy smh
void void
ew groovy
rose lion
^
upper flicker
groovy is awful
mighty storm
The GROOVY hate saddens me :cryingblob:
ancient bolt
no its groovy
void void
would rather suggest you to use clojure
wide chasm
Jython
runs
upper flicker
I quite like Kotlin, there are some things I don't like but I'm generally quite positive about it. I just think there's a lot there that can be used for bad just as it can be used for good, that's all
same with a lot of other stuff
ancient bolt
I guess this project should be called fabric-patches rather than yarn-patches since it's not on yarn right @zealous wedge?
mighty storm
lmk when kotlin has a java eval smh
void void
java eval?
rose lion
Data classes 🥺
ancient bolt
I find companion object {} the most annoying thing about kotlin
mighty storm
like eval java code on the fly
ancient bolt
but overall I like it...obviously
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://kotlinlang.org/docs/reference/whatsnew13.html -- What's New in Kotlin 1.3 - Kotlin Programming Language: "Kotlin 1.3 continues to evolve and improve scripting API, introducing some experimental support for scripts customization, such as adding external..."
wide chasm
There's a built-in REPL, could probably do some hacky stuff
upper flicker
if you took everything away from kotlin other than nullability in the type system, I'd stil l use it
that's the best feature
mighty storm
writing an entire java class to a file and compiling and running it is kina annoying
ancient bolt
yeah it's really well done
upper flicker
every once in a blue moon it will get an assumption wrong about some java lib, but 99% of the time it even does that well
ancient bolt
assuming you leave null propagation and elvis operator - those are pretty important to making the nullability in the type system work well
mighty storm
well the remaining question is can i put a kotlin class in an otherwise completely java project
wide chasm
Yes
mighty storm
dang
wide chasm
Kotlin is compatible with Java, should be fine
I think all JVM languages have such functionality?
I know Scala does
And FiM++
rose lion
If java classes use the jetbrains annotations it should be pretty good to use in Kotlin
upper flicker
most dont
ancient bolt
looks at arnoldc
upper flicker
even without them it's alright
rose lion
Yeah
limber moon
easy command to delete world files?
twin lagoon
rm -rf
zealous wedge
@ancient bolt probably best to not have fabric in the name, or to qualify it - intermediary-patches or fabric-intermediary-patches or sth?
zealous wedge
it is sadly the name they chose lol
ancient bolt
idk who thought that was a good name
well in that case I'll stick with yarn-patches
zealous wedge
but if you don't like intermediary, yarn would probably be a better name
ancient bolt
fabric-forgedflower-intermediary-patches for no ambiguity
limber knotBOT
I mean... there are valid cases for that, lol
rose lion
Call it The Rona™️
ancient bolt
ugh I hate when people call SARS-CoV-2 "covid-19"
mighty storm
i mean coronavirus doesnt necessarily imply covid, the flu (influenza) is a coronavirus, so idk?
ancient bolt
no
it's a fluvirus
coronavirus, fluvirus, rhinovirus, all different types of viruses
covid-19 means "coronavirus disease 2019"
influenza is a fluvirus disease
mighty storm
ah, sars is what i was thinking then
rose lion
Some common colds are coronaviruses though
mighty storm
oop, new day new security alert, what's the problem today
upper flicker
running out of tacos
ancient bolt
coronaviruses have always been difficult to create vaccines for compared to fluviruses in particular
mighty storm
There is a potential Cross-Site Scripting (XSS) vulnerability in Action View's translation helpers. Views that allow the user to control the default (not found) value of the t and translate helpers could be susceptible to XSS attacks.
uh oh
ancient bolt
@upper flicker gonna get tacos for dinner today
upper flicker
nice
ancient bolt
not gonna share any with u tho
mighty storm
tacos 😍
upper flicker
not so nice
mighty storm
"programmers hate her! learn how she fixes all the security vulns in one command!"
bundle update
wide chasm
Just don't add security vulnerabilities /s
mighty storm
ay i dont make em i just prevent em
ancient bolt
TempleOS did it right
everything ring 0, no networking, no permissions
can't have security vulns if you don't have security
upper flicker
but then I cant play mindcraft with my frenz, mom
left swift
We draw the line a 3 digit temperatures
mighty storm
why is it called social distancing and not physical distancing
void void
some people say that there is no 0x0 in templeos
because nullptr is for cia, tricking you into writing bad code which they can exploit
quasi valley
gotta keep those tacos clean
zealous wedge
why is it called social distancing and not physical distancing
@mighty storm it's physical distancing here lol
cedar spade
what about dessert tacos
quasi valley
and breakfast tacos??
cedar spade
and kneny-conveniently-left-something-in-the-oven-time tacos!?
mighty storm
hell yeah
zealous wedge
covid speedrun any%
mighty storm
glad to see twitter being a dumpster fire as usual
void void
always been a dumpster fire
cedar spade
guessing kneny left something in the oven again 🙄
zealous wedge
Was it his breakfast tacos?
mighty storm
ive several questions
cedar spade
yes
zealous wedge
u p d a t e d
left swift
Updated to 1.8.8
mossy vessel
Looks promising
mighty storm
@cunning raft https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/4230#discussion_r479481196 smh
worn ember
mikropp
why does it say /dev/null? is it just to indicate that didnt exist before or something?
cedar spade
DarkEyeDummy
worn ember
left swift
No it's from the link above
mighty storm
hm?
worn ember
im not dw
mighty storm
yeah thats from #4230
worn ember
lmao
left swift
Gotta be so rude to poor ded
olive garden
I don't want my non existent server to catc fire
left swift
God damn
olive garden
Jk, I love ded
worn ember
now answer the damn question you haters
void void
why does it say /dev/null? is it just to indicate that didnt exist before or something?
@worn ember correct
mighty storm
I see that I lurking
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@void void uwu
limpid comet
is there ever gonna be a time where there's too many events
is that even possible
i guess that's a stupid question now that I think about it
Ignore me
humble falcon
no
zealous wedge
@minor badge uwu
minor badge
uwu
twin lagoon
uwu
left swift
What is ur favorite Disney movies; go
quasi valley
hamilton
left swift
Tbh the first cars movie was a banger
wide chasm
Specifically from Disney: Finding Nemo; if you count Pixar as well: Inside Out.
Cars is blegh
stiff yarrow
👀
left swift
The ones after the first one are bleh
humble falcon
dang
wide chasm
Those are more blegh, but the first one is also blegh
quasi valley
I actually really liked the life-action Aladdin
limber knotBOT
my favorite one is either Captain Marvel or Doctor Strange 👀
wide chasm
Cars is literally just Lightning McQueen or whatever his name is being a dick with a large ego for three movies straight.
formal turret
Moana is great
quasi valley
I have (distant) family in Oregon, hope they're alright :/
formal turret
and i also really liked the live action aladdin
left swift
Moana is pretty good too
twin lagoon
kneny
wide chasm
Yeah, Moana is good
left swift
Lilo and stitch aswell
wide chasm
Lilo and Stitch is surprisingly dark
left swift
It is
limber knotBOT
oh and Treasure Planet and Atlantis were also amazing
wide chasm
I only watched it (relatively) recently and I was like "this is a kids movie?"
limber knotBOT
Lilo and Stitch originally had a scene were the space ship was a plane and it (almost) crashed into a skyscraper. movie was in production when 9-11 happened so they changed that lol
left swift
:p
left swift
Deleted comment?
humble falcon
Just thought it came off wrong
heady spear
What is everyone up to? Am bored D:
green turret
Specifically from Disney: Finding Nemo; if you count Pixar as well: Inside Out.
@wide chasm Finding Nemo is Pixar too :P
wide chasm
Is it?
green turret
Yep
wide chasm
Well, scrap that then
mighty storm
indeed i did
wide chasm
Then I hate all Disney movies 😉
green turret
I'm a big Pixar fan! Love their stuff.
still cosmos
i hate ghost unread messages
cunning raft
I'm on mobile chew gh doesn't show me
mighty storm
oh
green turret
Hi MD!
wide chasm
Zootopia then for Disney
still cosmos
hi MD
wide chasm
That one isn't by Pixar according to Wikipedia
mighty storm
@cunning raft it was change com.destroystokyo.paper to io.papermc.paper i think
for the package
green turret
Zootopia is great!
cedar spade
I don't remember much about any of the Pixar films I've watched
wide chasm
Yeah, it's pretty good
cedar spade
Moana is good
still cosmos
@Joshie#0001it was change com.destroystokyo.paper to io.papermc.paper i think
the old one was better
cunning raft
chew: proxi said to do it on merge
wide chasm
All these movies I remember are all from Pixar and none from Disney exclusively.
cunning raft
And no io.papermc is better
wide chasm
Well except Zootopia then 🙂
green turret
In general, if there's magic or princesses, it's Disney.
mighty storm
ah ok idk then
green turret
Arguably there's a little "magic" in Wall-E at the end. But it is pretty un-Pixar.
wide chasm
I mean, no princesses so still good on that 🙂
green turret
But they also loosened the magic stuff a bit with Coco. Although it's closer to Monsters Inc. world stuff than to Disney magic stuff.
It's one of the reasons I lile Pixar movies so much. They usually take a non-fairy tale approach to story telling. Brad Bird is awesome. Incredibles definitely one of my favorite movies.
mighty storm
what do u think of rataatoui
wide chasm
Ratatouille is good
green turret
If you haven't seen Coco, oh my god, watch it just for the visuals. I almost cried just from the lights in the cinema. But I have a bit of a past adventure into CG animation, so maybe it's just the "this is really hard but they did it so well wtf" aspect. Like the subsurface scattering in the food in Ratatouille and the skin in Up!
mighty storm
ah yes, talking off topic in the off topic channel
green turret
Ratatouille is a great movie as well. Awesome story. I quoted it often at uni. "Anyone can program!"
wide chasm
Coco is good, although I usually am not one who specifically cares for all the visual details. Of course if it looks good then that's great, but can't really say anything more specific about such stuff then "yeah it looks good" or "it looks bad".
green turret
Yeah that makes sense.
worn ember
Coco was great
wide chasm
I do always notice that they have a bunch of people working only on lighting in movies when the credits roll by, so I assume that's pretty challenging/requires a lot of effort.
green turret
Lighting is so hard to do well. It's because raytracing is super heavy stuff, but Pixar have their own tooling. Renderman I think it's called. It's incredible stuff! So in Coco you have hundreds of little colored lights all bouncing off everything. Either those scenes took just insane render farm resources or (more likely) they came up with a new way to do it.
Like with deferred rendering in video games you can approximate the massive light counts, but usually it means doing more passes for transparency or omitting it entirely. Different rules for render farms of course :P
wide chasm
I think, who was it, 3Blue1Brown iirc, was at Pixar once and he was talking about some math thing and some engineer at Pixar told him they used a billion lighting calculations for x movie or something along those lines.
Let me see if I can find the exact video.
green turret
Ah cool!
mighty storm
I need to be productive today ugh