if it takes effort to explain windows to a middle aged person than linux is impossible unless you learn to use it at 5
#general
next wind
vestal jasper
You're not the average consumer
next wind
exactly
void void
lol
worn ember
my mom gets confused using messenger
next wind
messenger is pretty stupid though
worn ember
thats not the point here
next wind
yeah
vestal jasper
Again you're trolling
slender jay
my mom had me search an e-mail from 2019 earlier today
void void
Again you're trolling
I'm not? lol
next wind
you are though
void void
I mean, you can think that. Doesn't mean it's true.
next wind
your saying that its easier to use the command prompt whenever you need to do anything mildly complicated than using an interface perfected over 10s of years
next wind
decades
slender jay
windows is easier to use and thats a fact
next wind
fax
void void
your saying that its easier to use the command prompt whenever you need to do anything mildly complicated than using an interface perfected over 10s of years
Nope, linux != "command prompt" (a windows phrase btw, it's actually called the terminal) you don't need to use the terminal to use linux.
lament patio
worn ember
void void
You're experience with linux actually depends on what DE (desktop environment) or WM (window manager). Like Gnome (pronounced with a hard g), you don't need to open a terminal for anything. Everything is working out of the box.
void void
But if you install something like i3 or dwm as a new user, you're screwed pretty much.
because i dont need to on windows
bc on windows, you don't have choice.
void void
why would i need a choice, its already perfected
debatable
next wind
unless your running a server, windows is better
void void
why would i need a choice, its already perfected
Tiling window managers would like to speak with you.
lol
next wind
yeah i have no idea what that means
void void
exactly
next wind
because again, i dont need to
next wind
uneducated for not knowing how to use a os that i dont want to know about 
void void
uneducated for not knowing how to use a os that i dont want to know about
What I'm talking about is os-independent.
void void
yeah because my mom would make use of tiling windows
it was just an example
next wind
and it was a bad example because its useless
void void
I'm not saying your everyday person is gonna use a tiling window manager, lol
slender jay
everything that you will list i can counter
with a mom argument
because its a fact that 90% of people
dont know how to move the mouse
void void
lmao, you guys must be trolling, this is ridiculous.
next wind
slender jay
you are the one thats trolling in this case
otherwise you are clearly delusional
and in denial
void void
lmfao
stop acting like an elitist fucker and just admit that windows is good enough for most usecases
I'm not admiting it, becuase it's not true.
jolly crown
I feel like instead of waiting for a mute and feeding the troll you guys should just walk away from this conversation lmao
unreal quarry
you cant battle stupid, @void void. they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience, every time. just let it go 😉
next wind
can someone please help me understand what waterfall is
slender jay
bungee on steroids
next wind
i dont get how its different from paper
next wind
so what is the point of it though
slender jay
proxy
next wind
why would i not use paper
vagrant niche
Don't go chasin' waterfalls
slender jay
to run multiple servers behind
merry talon
there is no reason you wouldn't use paper
void void
there is no reason you wouldn't use paper
except if there is something faster (which there is)
next wind
so if i want like a lobby and stuff and then a creative and a survival server then i would need waterfall
vagrant niche
No reasony to use waterfall unless ur a hipster
void void
so if i want like a lobby and stuff and then a creative and a survival server then i would need waterfall
yes
serene bolt
oh hey lax is here, the tuinity co author
void void
If you want to link multiple servers together
vagrant niche
I got fired, pure.
next wind
theres no way to do that on paper though right
vagrant niche
I've got my own fork now, uwuinity
serene bolt
does it have shoes or were those stolen
vagrant niche
It doesnt have feet
serene bolt
why not?
serene bolt
oh
void void
Waterfall is shit
what about it is bad?
vagrant niche
It aint velocity.
void void
what are the pros of velocity over waterfall?
next wind
so if i want a hub and stuff then just use velocity?
serene bolt
🍿
vagrant niche
Yes, unix.
next wind
alright
unreal quarry
unless you want bungee plugins, then you want to use waterfall
vagrant niche
It's way better than bungee/waterfall
next wind
is velocity a fork of waterfall or what
vagrant niche
It's got unparalleled server support, scalability, and flexibility.
next wind
or is it a totally different thing
vagrant niche
A totally different thing but at the same time the same thing
next wind
nice
is it easy to learn to use velocity after paper
thats my only experience with servers
vagrant niche
Yes, it's so easy a caveman can do it
vagrant niche
Not a literal caveman though, just a hairy man like billy.
serene bolt
next wind
could i get a link to its discord
vagrant niche
next wind
thanks
cosmic raft
hi @serene bolt
serene bolt
hello :D
vestal jasper
You're experience with linux actually depends on what DE (desktop environment) or WM (window manager). Like Gnome (pronounced with a hard g), you don't need to open a terminal for anything. Everything is working out of the box.
@void void
Users don't fucking want to figure out what DE or WM to use, or even know what those are / mean.
void void
and they don't have to?
does a windows user have to know how to use the registry?
or use the command prompt?
exactly
vestal jasper
They don't when they're installing it
void void
They don't when they're installing it
and you don't on linux either.
I mean you can, but that's optional.
vestal jasper
And fuck off I'm at work, I have a job to do. I can't spend every minute of my day arguing with some braindamaged person on the internet.
worn ember
serene bolt
paper guidelines activate
vagrant niche
OH mY gOD uNItY so ShIT smD LOL LMfaO
serene bolt
🤣
void void
what about unity?
?
are you talking about the game engine or the dead desktop environment?
static badge
do I hear guideline violations
void void
?
vestal jasper
exactly
You commented on me not responding within 5 seconds of your response my dude
unreal quarry
i'm on Jettison's side
static badge
oh it's just vic being braindead
unreal quarry
linux masterrace
void void
You commented on me not responding within 5 seconds of your response my dude
no, i was just saying that I made a point. Has nothing to do with your response time. lmao
vagrant niche
@static badge u wan play?!
void void
linux masterrace
yes
static badge
ye gib a few mins
static badge
unreal quarry
thats a TOS violation, lax 😮
void void
Everybody knows if u aint usin gentoo and emacs ur gay
I tried out gentoo, super complicated. lol
unreal quarry
how very un paper-2.0 of you
serene bolt
quoting a guideline violation 
vagrant niche
Spitting facts aint a violation
void void
Gentoo is very complicated.
slender jay
yay paper 2.0
static badge
the violations 
vagrant niche
you could violate me all you want billy. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
unreal quarry
serene bolt
👀
vagrant niche
Friendly reminder that its still locked
void void
bruh, this song is a bop: https://open.spotify.com/track/6LlIPRpFJMDcw8b4b7eSlq?si=G_HlR9ZuQiqlTyf69OYuBQ
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Spotify Track: Katamari On The Rocks by GameChops from the album Katamari Dance With Me https://open.spotify.com/track/6LlIPRpFJMDcw8b4b7eSlq
void void
lol duplicates
static badge
@vagrant niche
vagrant niche
kk
viral hornet
ihatemathihatemathihatemathihatemathihatemathihatemathihatemath
void void
ilovemathilovemathilovemathilovemathilovemathilovemathilovemath
viral hornet
zealous wedge
Everybody knows if u aint usin gentoo and emacs ur gay
i mean i don't use either sooo... confirmed?
void void
lol
limber knotBOT
hmm
zealous wedge
hi chew
limber knotBOT
what if they use both AND are gay, does it cancel out
void void
hola
limber knotBOT
hi z0w0
void void
big brain
zealous wedge
the implication only goes one way
so using gentoo and emacs does not imply not gay
logic
limber knotBOT
979
zealous wedge
that is a number
void void
indeed it is
zealous wedge
979 is in fact a natural number and a whole number and a rational number and a real number
limber knotBOT
A wonderful cat
void void
cats are epic
limber knotBOT
ye
void void
cats be like: meow
fax
Like me or hate me, you got to admit that I am spitting facts.
limber knotBOT
z0w0: do you agree
yes i do
rory is a wonderful cat
:3
:3
would you pet rory for me next time she comes by?
I'll do you one better
I'll feed her
omg so good
you spoil her
no no then she becomes chonk
oooh
void void
chonky cat
limber knotBOT
I also need to give her water
void void
slurp slurp
void void
chonk
vagrant niche
pls dont waterboard cats
void void
rory has been fed and watered
just like a plant
serene bolt
I wish someone would feed and water me 
static badge
limber knotBOT
👀
static badge
is that against tos
void void
is it?
void void
big 🧠
void void
no, but ok.
limber knotBOT
some sort of like "make it rain"
static badge
limber knotBOT
wdym nope, what else does it mean
void void
we will not say
static badge
.g urban dictionary golden shower
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=golden showers -- golden showers - Urban Dictionary: "Pissing on someone (can be in their face, mouth, on their body, on their p**sy, etc.), usually a form of sexual domination/humiliation, or the..."
vagrant niche
its exactly about money
vagrant niche
oh my god what is that definition
vagrant niche
That's totally not what I meant!
static badge
don't play stupid lax
vagrant niche
Are you under 13?
void void
no
vagrant niche
ah shame
void void
?
ashen nacelle
ok this thread is turning NSFW
vagrant niche
this whole discord is nsfw
void void
your profile p is nsfw
ashen nacelle
void void
wtf
limber knotBOT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQlUHBbMuWQ btw this was the first result for golden showers for me
kind of a banger ngl
void void
tf is your search history then
limber knotBOT
why would my search history affect my results
void void
what search engine?
limber knotBOT
duckduckgo
void void
ah ok
uuu
understandable
sus
that song is a bop
10/10
another bop: http://www.gardling.com/coolvideo6
void void
lol wot
limber knotBOT
typo
ashen nacelle
minor badge
chew !
limber knotBOT
hi !
golden gust
AAC is ded
limber knotBOT
advanced anticheat?
jolly crown
thonk
golden gust
https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/aac-advanced-anti-cheat-hack-kill-aura-blocker-paid.63195/ dis thing
limber knotBOT
lol what do you expect from a proprietary plugin
oh so thatll happen to CMI if zrips's domain died
dies*
minor badge
hi cat <3
limber knotBOT
can we like report it
someone bought it 4 days ago lmao
just don't have phone homes
ezpz
minor badge
hangar wont even support ""premium"" afaik
while we cant really enforce standards, there will probably be quite a few rules to keep freemium and shit going on hangar
and stupid drms are stupid
yeah thats fine
nop
its pretty common, actually
limber knotBOT
don't need paid support if no one ever asks for help 
unreal quarry
no one asks for help if you cant hear them scream 
unique snow
I personally think there should be a rule regarding premium plugins with closed source, first of all that the source has to be available to Spigot staff. Second by using Spigots transaction service if you don't provide support for the latest "stable" Spigot within 3 months they take ownership and republish your source code under GPL3/MIT.
limber knotBOT
first is true I believe
unreal quarry
I personally think there should be a rule regarding premium plugins with closed source
there is one. it's called the GPLv3. No one listens to that, though 😛
limber knotBOT
closed source? thin fuckin ice pal. not giving source on request? I'm calling my lawyers
minor badge
lol
you wont pay for it, nobody will; its a spigot plugin
i just hope hangar will require FOSS; paywall is fine (mcMMO style), or just do it freemium where you have a paywall for help
unique snow
There's a license for plugin authors to abide by?
minor badge
GPLv3 requires the dependent to use GPLv3 or a GPL compat licence
unique snow
I thought it was only derived works?
limber knotBOT
Are plugins not derived works?
unreal quarry
@unique snow if you want to learn more, the original Bukkit team knew about the licensing issues at least back in 2011. Worth a read: https://bukkit.org/threads/what-license-is-the-bukkit-project-under.154/
unique snow
Well API usage is a very grey area.
void void
Plugins still use bukkit derived code. It’s all in legal murky water and basically unenforceable because no one cares and google vs Oracle is still happening
that's still going on?
vagrant niche
Licenses only matters if you have $$ to sue or you are being sued
void void
surprising, but you know what's not surprising? How much you can save when you switch to geico, 15 minutes can save you 15% or more on car insurance.
minor badge
well its a link requirement on Bukkit, and as it doesnt have the exception clause (afaik?), it requires GPL
unique snow
I mean, I always thought this way too.. that if you utilize something that's GPLv3 you technically need to open source it. However I'm not an expert on the legalities.. I've read enough to indicate using an interface licensed under it is very hard to win even if you have the money.
Also does spigot use bukkit or craftbukkit, or both?
limber knotBOT
hi pop
serene bolt
hello
serene bolt
📳
limber knotBOT
ah
vagrant niche
😂
limber knotBOT
what
potent fossil
lmao ok, so my professor is definitely a memelord
he told us he's going to make the answers to the test start equalling 69 and 420 to make people question their sanity
He also said RMP is stupid, he caught two students cheating once and then looked at his RMP an hour later and they spammed his page so he was like "they're really stupid"
limber knotBOT
RMP?
potent fossil
ratemyprofessor
limber knotBOT
ah
potent fossil
he lets us meme in the chat while he lectures and then looks every now and then
limber knotBOT
ironic considering i used that same acronym
limber knotBOT
are they on Zoom?
potent fossil
yea lmao
limber knotBOT
epic
potent fossil
also, like i said last time, he said "call me chris or im taking off points"
limber knotBOT
during our orientation (on zoom) they disabled the chat because it got too memey
potent fossil
so literally as class ended, he's like "stay if you need help otherwise bye"
and as he said bye
everyone unmutes
"GOODBYE PROFESSOR BOSSMAN" disconnect
he said he hates being called professor and boss and man
so, triple whammy
limber knotBOT
plot twist: he was using reverse sigh collegey and actually wants to be called that
potent fossil
chew that better be a meme
limber knotBOT
chat's lit
limber knotBOT
same energy as "pool's closed"
potent fossil
hes so young. he also curses all class long
we're currently reviewing the end of calc 1 before starting "real" calc 2 and he's like "whoever thought of this fucking shit is a goddamn genius"
at some point, someone said newton would use wolfram
and he stops class and goes
dead serious
"if newton had wolfram we would be living on mars right now. ok. im very serious about this."
then he went back to teaching
slim nymph
theres really nothing to debate, all plugins are required to be GPL complaint. there is absolutely no ambiguity over that. You dont know the GPL if you think otherwise. Google v Oracle doesn't even apply here.
potent fossil
wat
slim nymph
the GPL is EXTREMELY clear on this
potent fossil
oh the convo is up there aight
slim nymph
only if BUKKIT had the LGPL applied would it be more open, but it didn't
vagrant niche
slim nymph
Oracle v Google is debating can API signatures be copyrighted, as google literally reimplemented the API but used same signatures/symbols.
And oh man I rechecked GPL FAQ, even LGPL doesnt work for bukkit because of inheritance.
minor badge
good ive got my epic gpl script then 😎
fierce finch
➥➥
woven otter
What script proxi
slim nymph
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#GPLPlugins if anyones interested
minor badge
it just deploys gpl, duck
slim nymph
"If the main program dynamically links plug-ins, and they make function calls to each other and share data structures, we believe they form a single combined program, which must be treated as an extension of both the main program and the plug-ins."
dont think you can get any clearer than that
even if you go "I wrote a ScalaPluginLoader! It doesnt use JavaPlugin!" - good luck doing anything useful w/o touching any events/method calls lol
minor badge
there is a gpl with the linking clause removed though
if someone doesnt like gpl applying to plugins
but That Is Pretty Stupid ✨
slim nymph
well bukkit didnt use that one, so it doesnt matter 😛
it all matters about bukkits license
and yes thats the LGPL, but the GPL FAQ says that LGPL isnt really applicable in java due to the OOP nature
minor badge
yeah im not well versed with LGPL at all, as i mostly just use GPL/AGPL
limber knotBOT
too many gpls
merry talon
use the apache license instead
wait no definitely don't do that
i just read into it
potent fossil
bruh this isnt even supposed to be hard, its a test quiz why is this?? fucking me up? https://owo.whats-th.is/2hrGbGA.png
how do i know what the sides of the fucking triangle are
one of the sides is S obv
but the other to find the hypotenuse
wtf
ok is it just me or is this straight up not giving enough fucking information
"a triangular section is removed"
ok????
olive marlin
Wtf is this quiz?
slender jay
Thank you for reminding me why I hate anything math related
potent fossil
it's supposed to be """"""""easy"""""""" to make sure we know how to do fucking quizzes online f
for the fucking semester
and it makes no fucking goddamn sense
and its pissing me off
to no fucking end
olive marlin
Also, it'll never be 4 digit, since it's a float. Are they expecting you to look at the picture and assume the left side is half of the square side or something?
It should be in the picture. Stupid.
olive marlin
It'd rather be 0.75 since they ask for area of the plate - triangle.
potent fossil
my rational is i assumed the triangle's high is s/2 (which is like??? why the fuck am i assuming), and from there i just did 1/2(s*s/2) => 1/2(s^2/2) => s^2/4 and said ok the triangle is s^2/4, whole box s^2 then 0.25s^2 = that part with the triangle removed.
i have no idea if its correct. i dont care.
im so fucking pissed off i literally do not give a shit.
limber knotBOT
ive always wondered, why isnt waterfall just a normal fork of bungee and instead uses patches like paper?
easier to merge upstream changes?
drowsy forge
why isnt 1.12.2 still supported its the most widely used version for serers since its the most stable version ever made
limber knotBOT
because it's many years old
slender jay
Because its 
drowsy forge
infdev?
potent fossil
the answer is because its not. dont like it use a different software
limber knotBOT
indeed
potent fossil
infdev is very old minecraft
limber knotBOT
post indev pre alpha
drowsy forge
oh
Because its
yes it might be
limber knotBOT
considering >50% of servers use paper 1.16, not sure how "most" could be on 1.12
slender jay
Are you sure about that "most used"
olive marlin
A lot of people working on Paper work on newer versions of MC (own survival servers, write plugins etc). Why would they maintain a very old version if it just gives them more work, when they are overworked already.
merry talon
slender jay
Better check your facts @drowsy forge
olive marlin
Yeah, last I checked the stats 1.12 was the most popular Old version, but not the most popular version overall.
drowsy forge
then whats the most popular version?
limber knotBOT
latest
limber knotBOT
why does it look like it's printed on blue jeans
drowsy forge
whats the website?
slender jay
drowsy forge
oh
lament crystal
No resource pack.
Today I learned how useful item frames can be
slender jay
Ovh
drowsy forge
look at china
limber knotBOT
ovh is france only?
drowsy forge
they have many server
limber knotBOT
china is only 7.1%
drowsy forge
yeah but how many servers should china have?
slender jay
Ovh have 15 DCs in france
limber knotBOT
it's likely a lot higher but they don't use bukkit
slender jay
I swear im done correcting the number
drowsy forge
is bstats even legal in china?
slender jay
.g is bstats.org legal in china
limber knotBOT
not sure why it wouldnt be
(DiscordBot) https://bstats.org/global/bukkit -- Global Bukkit / Spigot stats - bStats: "Created with Highstock 6.0.1 United States France Germany Canada China Other Unknown United Kingdom Finland Australia Netherlands India Russia..."
ah yes
drowsy forge
isnt it a thing that china cant report to a country outside of china
limber knotBOT
is bstats a company 🤔
drowsy forge
oh maybe
sharp sentinel
What are the current most used AntiCheat plugins?
twin lagoon
matrix, aac, ncp, verus, spartan, witherac
sharp sentinel
(For 1.13+)
slender jay
Aac just died
sharp sentinel
lol
stray mantle
... what the heck
sharp sentinel
Love plugin DRM
zealous wedge
well if andrew starts yelling... how many hours until spigot gets a no-drm rule lol
sharp sentinel
Don't they have a "no phone home" rule already?
Uhh, is it just me or is NCP <1.13 only?
Trying to reach out to various anticheat devs
zealous wedge
probably but sounds like AAC might've been grandfathered in bc its phoning home predates that rule
twin lagoon
@sharp sentinel there's a fork
zealous wedge
hopefully this ends that
sharp sentinel
link pls
twin lagoon
trying to find
sharp sentinel
I cannot find it somehow lol
twin lagoon
slender jay
People have sent it here before maybe try the discord search
sharp sentinel
Hmm, an apt name
slender jay
Ah there it is
sharp sentinel
Thanks
Do they have a discord or similar?
Trying to work out the best way to contact them lol
Guess I could just make an issue
sharp sentinel
Trying to get some anticheat plugins to actually implement Precogs (an AntiCheat API I made a few years ago to allow plugins to easily be compatible with all anticheat plugins)
ancient bolt
woven otter
@kneni no 1.8.8 pls
latent valve
woven otter
Drop mredok in meat grinder
latent valve
woven otter
@quasi valley ur hard to find
zealous wedge
it's what happens when you're upside down
quasi valley
woven otter
Kneeeny
twin lagoon
🐌
quasi valley
hey if it were up to me I’d even drop Spigot support on Via 😂
green edge
Don't they have a "no phone home" rule already?
@sharp sentinel there are quite a few that still found ways around it
For example 1 developer enables drm if your server is online mode or behind bungee, nobody said anything
limber knotBOT
the only time i "phone home" is when they check the version
and all it does is tell jenkins "whats latest build pls"
and jenkins is like "ya know, not what you're running"
twin lagoon
chuwu
zealous wedge
fix the dictionary
spice finch
Good morning 
cunning badge
Nvidia released their new graphic cards with 24gb VRAM, which costs 1400 USD and with 21ghz clock rate
Temperatures of 98°C are normal 
Someone wanna boil an egg?
spice finch
That's more than my actual RAM
ashen cliff
What card are you talking about?
potent fossil
.g nvidia 24gb vram 21ghz
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.tweaktown.com/news/74545/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-specs-10gb-gddr6x-2-1ghz-max-gpu-clock/index.html -- NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 specs: 10GB GDDR6X, 2.1GHz max ...: "3 days ago ... NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 specs start to arrive: maximum 2.1GHz GPU, ... GeForce RTX 3090 graphics card and its tease of 24GB of GDDR6X..."
potent fossil
3090
spice finch
are these official?
ashen cliff
No.
ashen cliff
Nvidia released their new graphic cards
potent fossil
so in other words, they haven't released shit and people just come to paper to talk out of their asses like usual
twin lagoon
yes
ashen cliff
Legit.
potent fossil
sounds accurate
limpid comet
So, I'm working on running my servers in a docker container. Does it make sense for the container to do this?
- Clone the server git repo (holds latest configuration + the server binaries and plugins)
- Download the latest builds of our in-house plugins from our jenkins server
- Run
twin lagoon
docker or kubernetes
spice finch
Card haven't been announced yet and people are talking about thermal throttling and temperatures 
limpid comet
Docker
ancient wave
@ashen cliff we aren’t reading the same article
twin lagoon
because for kubernetes, you should use init containers
but for docker, you could do that yeah
ashen cliff
That's why I asked, what card.
potent fossil
i mean it makes sense for the image to do that, sure
limpid comet
I'm gonna use docker for now, then I'm gonna work on learning k8s and stuff on my own server
ancient wave
According to a new Device ID listing confirmed by leaker _rogame on Twitter, we have some preliminary specs on NVIDIA's next-gen Ampere-based GeForce RTX 3080
twin lagoon
ok well once you use kubernetes
can fuck that entire part off
and then use init containers
limpid comet
init containers, I see. I assume they contain the basic stuff for the server to work?
potent fossil
the point is nvidia hasn't officially released shit so it'd be real fuckin nice if ppl didn't come here claiming otherwise. if it's tech gossip it's tech gossip.
twin lagoon
no they're just containers that run before starting your actual deployment image
limpid comet
Ahh I see
looking at the docs now
Thanks
So the init container would do all the stuff I said previously, and then the image container would actually run/manage the server?
twin lagoon
yes
limpid comet
That sounds perfect, thanks
I do have one more question that I've been thinking about
When it comes to servers automatically spinning up a server for a minigame, are these custom solutions or are they done through k8s
twin lagoon
custom solutions
limpid comet
Ahh I see, that makes sense then
They communicate with k8s in some way, I assume, to actually run the server though, yeah?
twin lagoon
k8s api
potent fossil
"hey k8s mek me container with dis dis dis dis dis and dat ok done thx bye"
twin lagoon
simple k8s wen
potent fossil
some time
limpid comet
A plugin running on the bungee network would manage routing players to these newly spun servers, right?
potent fossil
yep
twin lagoon
si
limpid comet
awesome now I have an idea of what I need to do
potent fossil
from your plugin you talk to k8s, ask it to make your container, its like ok 'heres ip' (theres more to it than this obv) then you're like 'ok player go to ip bye'
limpid comet
awesome. K8s seems super appealing because if we ever need to expand I can just get more hardware, install the basic k8s stuff and configure it to communicate with the master node
potent fossil
yessm
twin lagoon
@mental meadow uwu
quasi valley
by twitch prime sub expired, now I gotta use 🛑 like a scrub instead of the usual emoji
spice finch
what was the usual emoji?
spice finch
but nitro 
quasi valley
paying discord
spice finch
kneni u rich
zealous wedge
uwu chew
latent valve
limber knotBOT
In my 4 years of high school I never got school lunch
Elementary food slapped but idk about high school, never tried, bit sad innit
uwu z0w0
woven otter
hey if it were up to me I’d even drop Spigot support on Via 😂
@quasi valley drop support for Myles
limber knotBOT
KnenyVersion
zealous wedge
no knenyversion only sleep
limber knotBOT
Oh Kashike is owner now
of?
Look in user list
3 owners 3 admins 3 halfops
oh fancy
a promotion
when did that happen
dunno
spice finch
So I have .jar pastebot-1.0-SNAPSHOT-all.jar. I want to upload artifact on github once GithubActions ends. Currently I'm using path: build/libs/*-all.jar but there's error No files were found with the provided path: build/libs/*-all.jar. No artifacts will be uploaded.. Is my wildcard wrong?
woven otter
Is this irc shit
limber knotBOT
gotta give kashike more pain and suffering
Yes, hop over and see
the only shit that matters
woven otter
spice finch
publish-artifacts:
needs: build
runs-on: ubuntu-latest
steps:
- uses: actions/upload-artifact@v2
with:
name: pastebot-shaded
path: build/libs/*-all.jar
I'm using this
limber knotBOT
What's the opposite of overslept; overwoke?
spice finch
but there's something wrong with my pattern in path I guess
limber knotBOT
Weird, definitely specify name if possible, I was able to do it with mine lemme see
slender jay
i forgot to sleep last night
tranquil turret
Yo, does anyone know a known issue with the 1.16.2 builds in #742779128868241550
limber knotBOT
According to the readme it looks like it can
limber knotBOT
Here's ours that works somehow, C# tho https://github.com/Memerator/memerator-sdk-cs/blob/master/.github/workflows/dotnet-core.yml
limber knotBOT
We ain't got that in these parts
tranquil turret
Where are these webhook messages coming from?
limber knotBOT
The web
spice finch
IRC
quasi valley
just gotta know how to use it
woven otter
^
woven otter
Or you do 
quasi valley
just use https://regex101.com/ and read through common tokens
you want quantifiers, ? * and +
vagrant niche
Succulent
grand pewter
👀
woven otter
mental meadow
Mini you need more memory
mental meadow
More memory
vernal moth
Yeye, I bumped metaspace by 150%
jaunty tulip
up down
smoky python
Download memory
dapper spindle
guys if a mob is falling and he falls on a magma block does he instantly take a damage or after he has become a normal and not a falling entity
vagrant niche
salted snails
cunning badge
Whats missing for a stable 1.16.2 release and anything people can help with?
vagrant niche
Just use it, dm all the errors to aikar.
cunning badge
Im ofc doing that already. Im talking about contributing
vagrant niche
Contributing wat
ashen cliff
The removed dir always has work for you.
vagrant niche
Here you go, contribute https://donate.emc.gs/GitHub
cedar spade
brb downloading a swap file
ashen cliff
That load avg, says otherwise.
austere ivy
am I just dumb or does spigot not allow wget for downloading plugins
er, rather, am I doing something dumb?
warm anchor
quasi valley
yeah I'd also much rather use Spigot's early 1.16.2 builds breaking literally everything they could possibly break
austere ivy
I'm getting ads for spectrum's phone carrier and they're doing funky math
surely no one will use more than one gigabyte, so let's just advertise literally everywhere that it's less than $31/mo
not misleading in the slightest
vernal moth
It's a gigabyte per day I dum dum
Don't you see the ^
Everybody knows ^ means per day
Also
slim nymph
https://www.reddit.com/r/admincraft/comments/id6zxy/negative_about_waterfall/g27lipt?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 my response to that comment on the delay
worn ember
apparently doing calculations on currency gives different results than doing them on normal numbers in excel
exact same calculations
rounding issue, sure, but 0.02 off is a lot 
slim nymph
Isn't there a way to load log4j config from outside of the jar file instead?
twin lagoon
yes
slim nymph
how?
slim nymph
thanks
void void
slim nymph
ah crap this uses the properties file not xml
cosmic raft
what does?
slim nymph
async logging
we found the one person in the world who wants to disable async logging lol
twin lagoon
but y
void void
i wonder who that was
slim nymph
they are doing some really advanced crap using thread local context on the logger
@cosmic raft well if you know how, let them know 😛 https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/4155
twin lagoon
hello kashike
spice finch
My Discord bot .jar is 21MB 
Is there way to make it smaller?
slim nymph
delete discord
spice finch
minimize() in shadowJar throws out kotlin reflection and app doesn't even start
slim nymph
@spice finch unzip the jar, run disk analyzer on folder to find which package is the biggest
cosmic raft
@slim nymph easy
slim nymph
tell them not me 😛
cosmic raft
set LOG4J_CONTEXT_SELECTOR environement variable to org.apache.logging.log4j.core.selector.ClassLoaderContextSelector
environment variables override the classpath properties file
cosmic raft
their own logger?
slim nymph
for the plugin
cosmic raft
good luck
worn ember
@spare venture solve the problem
slim nymph
oh wait they can do -DLOG4J_CONTEXT_SELECTOR=org.apache.logging.log4j.core.selector.ClassLoaderContextSelector right
if so tell them that
cosmic raft
yes, its an environment variable, as I said
if they can't change that, then they can recompile waterfall
slim nymph
paper*
cosmic raft
you said waterfall before!
twin lagoon
kashike dum
slim nymph
I see no waterfall in my message
cosmic raft
I assumed the reddit link was for this
slim nymph
lol no
cosmic raft
@twin lagoon take that
twin lagoon
twin lagoon
marble machines 
slim nymph
ugh i gotta update my old spread sheet to start over on weight loss journey
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19s-tt5YZzrtik466B8TFU8i3NMrpoaZB9Z9apuJumeQ/edit#gid=259780752 this was my last big push
I have a scale that automatically uploads so makes it easy to just go back and fill in numbers later
twin lagoon
smart scale
that reminds me we just got a new smart washing machine
god i love 2020
cosmic raft
god i love 2020
said no one ever
slim nymph
yeah... fuck this year lol
worn ember
2020 sure has been... something
pastel pivot
Aikar may I remind you once again about this https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/4149. Should be fixed.
minor badge
thank u stonar <3
waxen panther
Stonar is my favourite contributor
cosmic raft
merged
pastel pivot
thanks
cosmic raft
that'll be three thousand dollars and twenty-four cents
pastel pivot
but I only have 4k
worn ember
these fukin economics exercises take forever to do. so many numbers
slim nymph
yeah i kinda worked on day job all night last night lol, couldnt look at it
landed a major performance increase to a critical system that can give us 20-40% gains
worn ember
aikar getting gains 👀
slim nymph
had to reallllllly deeply get an understanding of the system to make sure I wasn't regressing anything, and fix previous developers mistakes who didnt fully understand the system either
twin lagoon
https://blogs.vmware.com/teamfusion/2020/08/announcing-fusion-12-and-workstation-16.html why is this such a horrible blog
shit just crashes my chrome tab
cosmic raft
loaded instantly in firefox for me
twin lagoon
works fine in firefox yes
cosmic raft
chrome stinks these days
twin lagoon
For developers, we’ve added new features to our container engine CLI, vctl, while also making it available on Workstation for Windows.
‘vctl’ can now perform ‘vctl login’ to persistently log into remote container registries without having to type the full URL path every time you want to pull an image.
vctl also brings with it a new feature to deploy Kubernetes clusters with support for kind. vctl can expose a ‘docker compatible’ socket for kind to connect to without modification to kind itself.
ooooooo
slim nymph
loaded instant inmy chrome too (havent switched work pc to firefox, though for business purposes makes sense to be on the dominant browser)
worn ember
loads fine in chrome for me too
cosmic raft
mikey is just brokey
worn ember
use IE to test for compatibility /s
cosmic raft
twin lagoon
do it
slim nymph
i see js errors lol, are you using ublock michael?
worn ember
whats the difference between fusion and workstation?
worn ember
less yuck
warm robin
is there a discord where I can ask server related questions not really to do with paper?
worn ember
originalnamecraft
olive marlin
Was it created after drama with admincraft?
worn ember
yes
twin lagoon
a few weeks after admincraft's drama yeah
void void
lol
slender jay
Why is there so much drama in the minecraft community
worn ember
kids love drama
olive marlin
.g discord dramacraft
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://poddtoppen.se/podcast/1352967778/the-josh-corbett-podcast/episode-83-dueling-tournaments-heavy-metal-wow-was-there-war-in-wow-dramacraft-the-hinterlands-lore -- Episode #83 - Dueling Tournaments, Heavy Metal + WoW, Was...: "... have listener calls, heaps of lore, and the debut of a new segment in Dramacraft! ... And join the Countdown To Classic Discord here:..."
slender jay
F
olive marlin
Welp, I guess it's not a thing. Yet...
With the amount of drama in MC community, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it existed lol
But I never understand why there is so much of it. I guess it's just because of the size of the community and maturity of users.
slender jay
I mean we are at a point where things from spigot drama generator will actually happen
cedar spade
https://drama.essentialsx.net/eyJzZW50ZW5jZSI6OTMsInBlb3BsZSI6WzE1LDhdLCJ0aGluZ3MiOlsxMl19 (please use #memes for other posts, only posting here for context of conversation)
worn ember
uhu, context
minor badge
you're gonna need to add context to your context, md
cosmic raft
I love how magical this is :D
ancient wave
anyone here run linux on high refresh rate displays
just curious about what DE/WM you're running on
I seem to be having issues with anything other than GNOME
minor badge
picom now
kind onyx
any1 know when paper 1.16.2 will be available???
minor badge
steel pulsar
it still goes under compton in debian/ubuntu distros
or at least it did three weeks ago
kind onyx
ah kk ty
minor badge
has been a long time since it was called compton doe lol
ancient wave
not an compositing issue, at least I don't think, i've been using picom but there was no difference between before/after I started using higher refresh rates
spice finch
@crystal otter do you rent VPS or dedicated serevr for prod? i9 9900K seems really good. I'm looking for host with good hardware
quasi valley
at first I was fine with its existence as long as I didn't see anyone using it
cosmic raft
so
quasi valley
but then they decided it was a good idea to rod in Ivan 🚮
quasi valley
he's a traitor!
cosmic raft
:-P
minor badge
it was an issue with my async advancements patch, and the yatopia issue was referenced on the issue @twin lagoon
so i thought i'd let them know i fixed 
spice finch
price seems resonable o.0
minor badge
letting ivan experience some rebase pain is also not such a bad thing...
spice finch
I thought machine like this will cost more
cosmic raft
ryzen though D:
shell vine
imagine using hetzner
steel pulsar
i have the EX42 with an NVMe
void void
Hey can someone send me the antixray config webpage?
spice finch
i have the EX42 with an NVMe
how is it doing with minecraft? or you're not using it for mc?
slender jay
.optimize
spice finch
setup fee is large, but anyway it's cheap
twin lagoon
get the ryzen @spice finch
cosmic raft
reasonable setup fee
slender jay
cdfn im using ex52-nvme
shell vine
okay, as an american
spice finch
@twin lagoon We're targeting highest clock as possible
twin lagoon
but why
slender jay
and its good for mc
spice finch
What do you mean?
twin lagoon
you're not going to hit the advertised 5ghz boost clock on 9900k
on like any host
just get the ryzen
spice finch
yeah, but what's the reason? I'm not really into hw
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megahertz_myth -- Megahertz myth - Wikipedia: "The megahertz myth, or in more recent cases the gigahertz myth, refers to the misconception of only using clock rate to compare the performance of..."
twin lagoon
just get the ryzen
spice finch
what would you recommend?
cosmic raft
1 player
quasi valley
at least 1
steel pulsar
also that guaranteed 1Gb/s bandwidth results in 777Mbit/s down and 4Mbit/s up
but who cares
cosmic raft
also
cosmic raft
get an Intul e8-1337Q instead, with 64 QT of michaelry
twin lagoon
cosmic raft
and make sure to use my flags too
-Xms300G
-Xmx300G
-XX:+UseNoGC
-XX:+LockExperimentalVMOptions
-XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=100000000
-XX:+EnableExplicitGC
-XX:TargetSurvivorRatio=900000
-XX:G1NewSizePercent=500000
-XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=800000
-XX:G1MixedGCLiveThresholdPercent=350000
-XX:+NeverPreTouch
-XX:+ParallelRefProcDisabled
ah yes 300GB of RAM
cosmic raft
keep reading
void void
Soo uhh
cosmic raft
:D
slender jay
hetzner had issues with the i9's in the beginning but afaik they upped their cooling and its much better now
twin lagoon
meh eitherway ryzen is more attractive
steel pulsar
ryzen has a cooler name
slender jay
yeah those are like the only xeons that can do minecraft
twin lagoon
there's more
modern e3-1230 & e3-1270's can do mc just fine
e21xx & e22xx can do mc fine aswell
honestly i could not care less about chunk gen speed
lmao
slender jay
1230 has a way lower clockrate than the 2288g
twin lagoon
clockspeed isn't a good comparison method
twin lagoon
no
no that's not how it works
lol
don't compare clockspeeds for performance
that's literally the exact thing that gigahertz myth is about
steel pulsar
theres only 1 clock speed
if your clock is faster than that, it is faulty and oyu should buy a new clock
twin lagoon
2600 is too old for anything mc
slender jay
i dont mean for mc