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zealous wedge
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there are better alternatives like auto value and kotlin

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what also is convenient is alt+insert on intellij tho

limber knotBOT
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im scared if I see it and think it's good i'll use it

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that's the lombok trap

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yeah don't wanna fall into it

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hi proxi

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uwu

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uwu

limber knotBOT
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how u

spice finch
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how do I accept class as parameter in generic type? GWbopkePepethinking

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so like Class<Other.class>

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is it even proper usage?

vernal moth
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Class<Other>?

spice finch
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um

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brain lag

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xD

limber knotBOT
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Hash<Map>

trim steeple
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watching my 7z compression ratio drop as my server backs up

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rip

limber knotBOT
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a cool feature would be a Map of a generic type to another generic type, where the generic type of the key is equal to that of the value

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what

vernal moth
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Map<T, Class<T>> works

limber knotBOT
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particularly if you have a Map<Class<?>, ?> or something like that

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no, but the generic type is different for each key-value entry

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essentially a map of instances, keyed by class

zealous wedge
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you kind of just have to enforce that with accessors methods

quasi valley
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^

spice finch
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but what would that be used for? can't imagine

limber knotBOT
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yeah i know i can just cast, but then i have to suppress "unchecked cast" warnings

quasi valley
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just a map of services/managers whatever

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do an instance check lol

zealous knot
limber knotBOT
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well i would obviously do an instance check on insert, but not retrieval

zealous knot
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oh

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fuck off paper

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wrong server smh

limber knotBOT
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f?

warm anchor
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???

zealous knot
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???

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homie sent a link in the wrong server what's all the fuss about

granite salmon
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!!!

worn ember
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?!?!?!

spice finch
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...

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since wizjany lost mod I've seen him 2 times here

zealous knot
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ultimate goal is 0

worn ember
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smh

shell vine
worn ember
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actually toxic

shell vine
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ye he was

surreal crown
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I'm trying to run minecraft with java 11 and 14, but I keep getting a crash on startup saying unable to call bootstrap (I linked the proper javaw.exe). Anyone else?

vagrant niche
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He doesn't have mod role but he can still ban you if you talk shit

olive marlin
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Didn't have any issues GamerHD.

spice finch
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can he?

shell vine
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i think lax should be mod

surreal crown
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Just updated from jdk 11.0.7 to 11.0.8 and started happening..

spice finch
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gamerhd which paper version u try to get working?

surreal crown
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Client

spice finch
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ah

olive marlin
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Did you try turning it off and on again?

surreal crown
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Yeah xD

olive marlin
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Your PC? Maybe it didn't update some references somewhere or some weird shit.

surreal crown
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Got a framework update pending, will try it

zealous knot
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Lax being a mod here monkaS

shell vine
tired heath
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The bad news, I have to do a Magento project in between and pause my work on the open arena plugin and my server, the good news, I have to do a Magento project and will be in able to upgrade my whole computer afterwards

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AMD I'm coming for you

zealous knot
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aible

olive marlin
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Does anyone know if it's possible to increase the size limit on structure blocks? Need to restore a few builds from backup, but don't have WE to use schematics or anything.

hollow plaza
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Maybe by editing NMS

tired heath
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Mister_Fx sure, why not

hollow plaza
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Actually, what if the structure block limit was a paper config?

fallen oracle
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It won't be.

olive marlin
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Yeah, I grepped for it and didn't see it anywhere.

fallen oracle
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Actually, let me retract that.

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Was in the mindset of this was referring to the build limit.

hollow plaza
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Ah

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I could try make a pr for that but usually structure blocks aren't used much

olive marlin
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Yeah, I rarely use them to migrate some structure without downtime.

hollow plaza
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Guess I'll look into it and if it's a simple change then I'll make a pr but if it needs a lot of changes then I won't

olive marlin
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My guess is it's a simple change, unless the storage it uses is weird and can't handle it.

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But, I doubt it'd have a place in Paper.

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Only adds maintenance.

spice finch
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Why all mojang things are such a mess

cosmic raft
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unrelated:

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another team member at sponge just showed this off:

fallen oracle
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What about it

cosmic raft
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Not opening a new inventory each time :P

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Something new someone tried

serene bolt
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Bless looks great, a must have for any server

fringe quartz
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Is that different than how it's already done via Paper?

cosmic raft
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The inventory stuff on sponge is fun, see link

serene bolt
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oh that's pretty neat actually

cosmic raft
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That's all the code for that entire thing, basically

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(plugin-side)

fringe quartz
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Perhaps I'm humbuggering

fallen oracle
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So it just changes out what is in it

fringe quartz
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Been doing similar inv-management for a couple years

serene bolt
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Inventory builder though POGGERS

cosmic raft
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Not in so few lines of code, using API-only methods

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you'd need a custom framework to make it sane on bukkit :p

fringe quartz
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True, I have a GUI class

cosmic raft
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where as we do it all for you - that code powers that gif above for example

fallen oracle
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Matt designed a few weeks ago that allows you to essentially do an ME system minus the searching and unlimited stacks on a single item. It's a scrollable GUI that you can make and utilize.

cosmic raft
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slot click listeners on the inventory itself, etc

hollow plaza
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I'm trying to make that style of inventory gui but I can't finish it because of all the problems

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I have like 20 button classes

fringe quartz
hollow plaza
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Guess I shouldn't make 20 button classes

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Nice

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Actually I should do that

fringe quartz
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It was a good day when somebody told me "Don't open a new inventory, just change what they're already looking at, forehead"

cosmic raft
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@spare venture Mojang has already improved it a lot for us :)

fringe quartz
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I think we just want actual gui building

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not as inventories

fallen oracle
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Just wait till you learn about async GUI loading POGGERS

cosmic raft
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Bukkit is what is shit with inventories still

serene bolt
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bedrock has some really cool UIs you can make

cosmic raft
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More important things that than for Java Edition :P

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Be happy Mojang has improved the inventory system for us, though :)

fringe quartz
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Ours handles pagination as well which is great to finally not have to think about: addPages(p, pagedList, page, (player, newPage) -> showHeads(player, heads, newPage));

cosmic raft
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They are fixing the game, which is what is more important than adding a fancy gui system right now

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heh

fringe quartz
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But yeah the amount of bullshit to have to learn/use to make the GUI class in the first place was the pain

fallen oracle
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All these top GUI with skulls creating on command and running on the main thread

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"why did my server freeze for 5 seconds opening this gui?"

cosmic raft
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yep, @fringe quartz - we do the hard work for you there with Sponge :P

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Our inventory system is... insane to say the least <.<

fringe quartz
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lol

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once you do the hard work though at least you don't have to anymore

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you know until something changes

cosmic raft
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Here's our inventory implementation

serene bolt
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which is the nice thing about having it on the API side, your plugin won't break and you push the work onto the project maintainers :P

fringe quartz
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There's a lot going on here yikes

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but I don't know anything about how Sponge internals are

zealous knot
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๐Ÿ˜„

limber knotBOT
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oh cool new experiment

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New String: NOTIFICATION_BODY_START_STREAM: "Started streaming !!{activityName}!! in !!{guildName}. Come hangout!"

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skype moment

worn ember
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skrrt

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happy new year

limber knotBOT
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tacoooo

wide chasm
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Inventories are a pain

limber knotBOT
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that's why I wrote my own library, lol

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weird flexbut ok

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whatcha make

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cool

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I should probably add some flashy pictures to that thonk

wide chasm
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I feel like literally everybody has made some sort of system around the standard Inventory. Most just sitting in a repo tightly coupled with other code, but still.

limber knotBOT
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I bet

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I mean this was made for my own server's plugins first too

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but I like sharing my stuff :D

wide chasm
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Mhmm, also helps with better modularization and loose coupling imo

limber knotBOT
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I wish renaming files didn't wipe the history

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on github

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that's a git issue

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has nothing to do with github

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well, github specifically since it tracks renames

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in most cases

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git does ;)

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yep

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but having a standalone library is also pretty cool when you want to quickly use it in other projects... and don't have to spend hours adapting it to a different code base

wide chasm
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Yeah

limber knotBOT
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most of my libraries exist because of the fact that I always repeated the same code and wanted to speed up the creation of small plugins

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e.g. this one for language files is extremely simple but evolved into one that I use in all my modern projects just to stop hardcoding messages: https://github.com/Phoenix616/lang xD

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one of the core plugins of my server (the teleport/server management suite) still has hardcoded messages just because I didn't just do it properly back then

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and converting everything is a pita

wide chasm
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I don't really have that issue since I only maintain one published plugin atm, but I'm planning on keeping an eye on that and separate that stuff when I notice duplicate systems in the future.

uncut moss
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i usually use whatever i use for config for messages

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which is kinda shit lol

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but works

wide chasm
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My current system is also just: get yaml file, get message, throw it through all translators, then use it.

limber knotBOT
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I mean that's basically what I do too

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just that I don't need to write it anymore and have automatic language file loading as well as per-client locale setting language support

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(ok, well, the simple one just uses java properties)

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runs

wide chasm
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I can guarantee my system currently is at least a million times worse than yours, god the legacy code

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The stuff is all over the place.

limber knotBOT
wide chasm
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Like, key changes of the file are in SettingsManager, color code and basic placeholder translation is in MessageManager, PAPI and MvdWPlaceholders support is in a different file, other placeholders are via direct String#replace, conditionals for messages are in another file and after going through all that mess you hopefully get a piece of legacy text for chat. And then the actual code is shit as well, so...

limber knotBOT
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lol

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reminds me a bit of ChestShop

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one day I document the event flow of that plugin, one day...

wide chasm
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I guess my plugin has javadoc on everything, so that's something I suppose

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Still doesn't make the code better though

limber knotBOT
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well, at least it's not designed to be event-driven (I hope)

fallen oracle
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Yeah

finite wave
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nice

limber knotBOT
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not that there is something wrong with event-driven design but it's annoying to work with if you don't have any documentation about how the event flow is

fallen oracle
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People do their own vehicles

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Uhual allows for more packages

wide chasm
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A lot is event driven and, yes, basically that is an issue.

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But there's also some non event driven stuff

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And some small pieces of code are actually not completely terrible

finite wave
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GP must really suck ass i keep seeing it in stack traces or problems

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Yeah

limber knotBOT
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god, why is spiget api so shit? they don't return what their docs say it returns -.-

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no general public

vestal jasper
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that's GP

limber knotBOT
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GP is the "golden shovel one"

finite wave
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One is made by one who uses UpperCamelCase in their methods

limber knotBOT
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isnt it supposed to be getBruhMoment()

wide chasm
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A C# dev I see

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For Java, yes, chew

limber knotBOT
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sweet

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thats what i do

finite wave
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lowerCamelCase thx โค๏ธ

zealous wedge
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at this point GP and GD are quite different - GD is blood's rewrite of his port of GP to sponge

heavy jetty
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Is W1290 currently the best processor for Minecraft servers? A 9900k might be better but none are in stock anywhere, so I think W1290 is a good alternative

limber knotBOT
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oh there's a w1290 now? taxes are a nightmare

heavy jetty
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lmfao

serene bolt
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3800x

heavy jetty
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3800x > W1290? Interesting

serene bolt
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I've personally never heard of a W1290 before so I have no idea how it compares

heavy jetty
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yeah

finite wave
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Higher GHZ = better

heavy jetty
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W1290 has turbo up to 5.2GHz while 3800X is only 4.5 GHz

serene bolt
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I mean a 3900x is better than a 9900k isn't it, but we're talking MC here and not just best CPU ever

golden gust
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GHz ratings mean jack shit

heavy jetty
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yeah xD

finite wave
serene bolt
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yeah because 9900ks issue is cooling

golden gust
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if there is anything to go off intels recent trends, I'd be weary of their newer chips unless you can ensure you're gonna be in a DC which can handle the thermals

heavy jetty
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I know W1290 is good with that, 80W TDP

vagrant niche
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AMD the new gods

vestal jasper
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just be like me and install 8 fans on your computer
thermal issues be damned

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10 fans if you count the two on my GPU

limber knotBOT
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my friend insisted they had an i8

unique snow
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Kind of surprised any datacenter would host on anything but server grade CPU's.

limber knotBOT
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we were like bro what

vestal jasper
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3 in front, 3 up top, 2 in back

golden gust
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TDP stands for shit

limber knotBOT
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that darn poop

vestal jasper
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Toilet Ducking Paper

golden gust
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It's basically a "we left it at the minimum clock and shoved a ton of work at it and it didn't set on fire"

heavy jetty
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I thought TDP was a measure of power usage e.g. amt of heat created

limber knotBOT
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i thought TDP was a protocol for sending data

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or was i merging TCP and UDP

golden gust
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Take a look at the i9, that chip was hardly higher in TDP than the i7; yet the i9 literally fucking toasted itself as soon as you put any actual load on it

unique snow
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Also Intel is making stupid choices lately. Like restricting RAM overclocking to Z series boards.

golden gust
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Intels dumb

zealous knot
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no u

golden gust
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Their entire foundation is on "the enterprise already loves us" and "customers blindly follow us"

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I for one welcome apples move to arm

unique snow
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They're literally pushing enthusiasts away, which means those enthusiasts are not going to say "hey buy Intel" to their family/friends/etc.

golden gust
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It's gonna be a headache, but, fuck intel

unique snow
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Yeah, and EPYC Rome looks pretty darn nice.

uncut moss
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ah yes

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4000 dollar cpu

golden gust
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I wouldn't trust AMD for shit either, tbqh

uncut moss
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sorry i meant 8000 lol

golden gust
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This is nothing new of a cycle for AMD

unique snow
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I don't either, and the AM4 socket is insanely limited.

golden gust
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Intel dominates for years, amd finally show up for a few years with an actual competent solution, something happens and AMD regresses back to the pitiful soul it was

limber knotBOT
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TIL that you can use a .github repo to add default .github settings for all your repos of a user/org Oo

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nice

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i love the secret repos

uncut moss
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meh i'm happy with my amd cpu

unique snow
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SP3 is very nice and they can do a lot with it.

golden gust
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they're decent chips

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They're just often heavily marketing wank

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Last I knew, intel still dominated in games

uncut moss
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barely anymore

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not by an amount that matters

golden gust
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Well, yes; That's the entire fun of it all

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That's how it starts ;P

limber knotBOT
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also I just noticed that I forked Chew/Chew for some reason, lol

golden gust
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AMD "catches up", their first gen catch up has the very same issues as people where screaming when intel started gaining traction again, AMD plays well for a good few years, and some how ends up dropping the ball

finite wave
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Lol

limber knotBOT
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nice lol

unique snow
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Well their biggest problem is AM4, in my opinion. They've gone PCI-e 4.0 because they had to. The lanes are mostly used by the chipset, barely anything left for M.2 and a graphics card.

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finite wave
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I have now also forked it

limber knotBOT
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I just deleted it :P

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oh

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lol

unique snow
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If you want a M.2 you can only get 8x for the GPU IIRC.

limber knotBOT
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why are yal forking and not starring ๐Ÿคจ

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I "stole" your idea with the "spoiler"-like expanding stuff for the descreption ;D

finite wave
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Hmm

limber knotBOT
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lol

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it's quite useful and friendly

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meh, the github android app isn't open source :S

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ironic

uncut moss
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github ios app is a bit poopoo

golden gust
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I'd delete chew too

limber knotBOT
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same

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well it alway sasks where you want to fork it too

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if you're in orgs

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when you go to edit a file it forks it though

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not if you click the edit button on a file iirc

unique snow
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Create a blank org for yourself barty

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It prevents that

limber knotBOT
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is there a point of forking if you never plan on editing the repo lol

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wat?

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how?

finite wave
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I did a pr

limber knotBOT
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how would that disrupt it?

unique snow
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You can have the org hidden if that's how it disrupts

limber knotBOT
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archiving it

unique snow
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ah

limber knotBOT
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what

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what does that even mean?

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i have like 14 orgs lol

unique snow
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Was it when you created or when you went to move repos to it?

finite wave
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It has a commit message smh

limber knotBOT
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no look

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it shows ur my simp โค๏ธ

finite wave
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Oh yeah i sponsored you

unique snow
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So odd.. wtf GitHub

limber knotBOT
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I'll add u to my org

golden gust
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So, apparently

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our gov launched some "fix your bike" voucher scheme thing

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Apparently it launched 10 minutes ago

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site is already dedded

finite wave
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I sortof just butchered your readme chew

limber knotBOT
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dw i got u

cosmic raft
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lol @golden gust

limber knotBOT
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why can't my government do cool things like that? :(

golden gust
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starts mumbling "we have a competent government... we have a competent government..."

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our govs in "kiss ass" mode

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In part, he's blaming the fact that people are fat as to why covid spread and killed so many

limber knotBOT
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๐Ÿ‘€

golden gust
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Not a "he fucked up and didn't call lockdown when he was told to"

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your government and country is retarded

golden gust
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We know

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The issue is that the whole...

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golden gust
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I don't get why the community is so stupid

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i like that response better than the american response

golden gust
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I mean, country

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reeee other party

golden gust
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but, at the same point, it's like...

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I mean, I'd be scared if labour won

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but, in part, both of the main parties are just sketchy af

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corbyn wanted to nationalize stuff again

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because that worked in the past

finite wave
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smh chew

worn ember
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nono

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you're not allowed back in the EU monkaS

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now watch the UK ask for financial support from the EU kek

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for corona

golden gust
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I have no idea where the thread started, but, there is this gut called archer_rs on twitter

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"gut"?

golden gust
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guy*

worn ember
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meh gut is called archer_rs

golden gust
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But, basically, some brexiteer has found out that by leaving the EU, they won't be able to go to their house in france

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and the EU is bad and evil for doing this, and how where they supposed to know that?

worn ember
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?? why wouldnt they be allowed to their house

knotty rose
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in my personal opinion uk never completely entered eu

golden gust
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The worse part with DED is you don't know if he's trolling or that dum

knotty rose
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they didnt adopt โ‚ฌ eg

uncut moss
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...many eu countries haven't lol

worn ember
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dude, its not like cuz they're outside of the EU that they suddenly cant go anywhere in europe anymore

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can't you just apply to get into france or something

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like how every other normal person gets to france

golden gust
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They don't have a residence card thing

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pfffffft

golden gust
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So, they'd lose all the "you can go anywhere in the EU you want" rights

uncut moss
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that's 2022 onwards though

golden gust
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Well, yes; They can do now

worn ember
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yeah well, who's fault is that

golden gust
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But, once shit sets into motion, they basically can't unless they wanna deal with visas and crap

uncut moss
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isn't it unclear if uk will remain in schengen or not

golden gust
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well, yea, that's the entire beaty of it all

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im gonna be real

worn ember
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if its up to me they can fuck right off lmao

golden gust
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Well, right now the UK wants fully out but wants all of the gains from the EU

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It's comical

cosmic raft
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nom

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the "oh no i need to deal with visas to get to my second house" is literally the 1% of first world problems

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like idk if that's a 1st world problem

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it's like above it

celest coyote
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did you guys know that trump supports literal witch doctors now

golden gust
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nobody ever said that the 1% was smart

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I mean, sure, there is a fair chunk who had the smarts, did the work, got the ideas, etc

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Many of them where just born into it

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i mean the ones who deserve it are probably smart

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ye

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the daddy's credit card ones

golden gust
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Could you imagine if somebody like trump weren't born into riches?

celest coyote
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he might be a better person kek

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kinda balances out though

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those that don't deserve the wealth from their daddy just spend it all and lose it eventually

golden gust
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I mean, ideally the concept of cash shouldn't exist and we'd all be happy and do stuff coz we love one another or some wierdness like that

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Trump lives on bank of daddy

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Sure, he has all this shit, but, he's been bailed out many times

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oh no is it an idiot american who thinks russians got trump to be president

stiff yarrow
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Hillary Clinton was one of the worst candidates I have ever seen, its believable trump won against her fairly to me

vestal jasper
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I can name 10 friends who voted for Trump for the mere fact that he isn't Hillary

golden gust
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russian creditors will back anybody if you got the limbs for it

vestal jasper
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People who admitted that they would've voted for Bernie

zealous knot
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I just wanted to say that as a russian , our country fucking sucks

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I moved out but i feel bad for the people who live there

limber knotBOT
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hi

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like hillary was real pepega

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and your electoral college is kinda pepega

knotty rose
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i would say that almost anything is better than trump...im not from us, tho

limber knotBOT
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so whats the deal with this Hydroxychloroquine thing

knotty rose
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so whats the deal with this Hydroxychloroquine thing
it semeed to work, but it doesnt

limber knotBOT
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some doctor was saying it did

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like 200mg with zinc

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it's for Lupus

knotty rose
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some testing demonstrated it doesnt

limber knotBOT
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well you got the studies?

knotty rose
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well you got the studies?
?

limber knotBOT
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"some testing"

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linkss

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well I rarely believe the news, i'm just gonna go to the sources if possible

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i'm not just gonna blindly believe "this bad" when I don't have enough information to form my own opinion/conclusions :p

knotty rose
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then research in the internet by your own

left swift
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That's crazy talk chew

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Ur supposed to believe whatever facebook says

tired heath
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again some covid stuff?

limber knotBOT
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no(t really)

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was testing in production earlier

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took 4 commits to get it to work

tired heath
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Did a domain transfer took you ever longer than a week, I mean I did quit a lot and that never happend to me. I think this host admin wants to fool me

limber knotBOT
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depends, i never have

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had to wait that long*

tired heath
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Me neither, until now

languid cypress
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So you know how I was talking about getting 10k players on one server, we actually managed to get 1700 players online at once, the server was totally dead but it didn't crash lmao

limber knotBOT
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zml: how push central

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oh 2020.2 is out

knotty rose
#

So you know how I was talking about getting 10k players on one server, we actually managed to get 1700 players online at once, the server was totally dead but it didn't crash lmao
why you want 10k players in a server lol?

worn ember
#

why wouldn't you?

knotty rose
#

10k is a lot lol

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can you even find 10k players?

worn ember
#

well he found 1.7k

knotty rose
#

1/10

golden gust
#

ideally you could pack as many players as you want into a single instance without ever caring

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Just, realistically...

hybrid tundra
#

@knotty rose He is a part of the MrBeast Gaming Administration, I think finding 10k players is quite easy.

knotty rose
#

well mr beast server crashed by skeppy doing a replacenear of 50 blocks so probably the harware is not the best lol

worn ember
#

what if you shoved them in one chunk?

hybrid tundra
#

Could work, easier

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@languid cypress Next time, make the server a 'void world' and don't make the players able to move out of the chunk. Should help!

worn ember
#

then delete the chunk and watch the carnage

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instant genocide

languid cypress
#

I still have like 300 connected to one of them lol

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Insane mode activated

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I wanted to see what actual vanilla minecraft could handle not like strictly going for player count

hybrid tundra
#

@languid cypress Message me via the Hytale News Discord, real quick - I pinged you.

languid cypress
#

no

limber knotBOT
#

wut

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well, what to that

hybrid tundra
#

Grr

wide nova
#

squirl

limber knotBOT
#

1234 upvotes

hybrid tundra
#

The quality is unreal.

wide chasm
#

@worn ember #gifs-and-memes

tired heath
#

Well a usual player takes 57.1 kb/s * 10 000 = average 571000 kb/s are 571 Mb/s so not even concidering the cpu, ram and internal bus load of 10 000 players caused by the game itself, at least the pc has to handle constant 571 Mb/s with networkcompression on top, well quite a nice base load

limber knotBOT
#

oof

worn ember
#

bruh

languid cypress
#

Can I post timings here for the 300 player server or no

limber knotBOT
#

oh?

hybrid tundra
#

๐Ÿ˜ฆ

limber knotBOT
#

:(

hybrid tundra
#

That is unfortunate ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

languid cypress
#

Why would you name a hosting company after a super slow animal

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makes me think their servers would be slow

limber knotBOT
#

and one of the 7 deadly sins

hybrid tundra
#

Slothians

grand pewter
#

imo its pretty tasteful

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obviously they're not trying to be slow lol

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yea prob

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i think it sounds better than doing something like CheetahHost though

#

sloth sounds more casual

hybrid tundra
#

Sloth is so smooth, agreed.

#

It's a shame to what ever happened to the Owner, I am sure he is a great guy!

limber knotBOT
#

hope they're ok

hybrid tundra
#

^

limber knotBOT
#

is that a celest pfp krystal

worn ember
#

well clearly they're not ok chew, cuz he dead smh

limber knotBOT
#

no one said they died??

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when did this come up

worn ember
#

oh the host died

limber knotBOT
#

oh host idk

grand pewter
#

lol

limber knotBOT
#

talking about owner

grand pewter
#

the owner is the host though right /s

worn ember
#

i thought he mean the dude hosting the servers kek

limber knotBOT
#

of course, who else would run the server

worn ember
#

that he died

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no

limber knotBOT
#

well, who hosts your server

worn ember
#

i am the host of your server now

limber knotBOT
#

there's always a bigger fish

hybrid tundra
#

MCPro

worn ember
#

who hosts the datacenter?

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how many dads do you have?

limber knotBOT
#

like 6

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they all god banned

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got*

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and 2 moms

worn ember
#

feelsbadman

limber knotBOT
#

oh cool, it got too hard so i stopped playing ๐Ÿ˜ข

#

they use me

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i have like 50 hard drives

fallen oracle
#

IDE drives?

tired heath
#

IDE is like super old

limber knotBOT
#

wait does IDE stand for intelligent development environment

tired heath
#

Totally believe that, some hdd seam to live forever

limber knotBOT
#

.g ide meaning

fallen oracle
#

Okay so it has nothing to do with our IJ programming IDE

limber knotBOT
#

not even close

fallen oracle
#

Oh boy

limber knotBOT
#

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golden gust
#

nope

tired heath
#

Free cloud vms? Whenever I checked out AWS it was fucking expensive

golden gust
#

Like, it's interesting, but, they're only free for so long iirc

#

The machines are also highly limited, so, generally not worth much

worn ember
#

infinite dick energy

golden gust
#

e.g. quick look at google shows that you only get 1G network egress

worn ember
#

i just have the cheapest hetzner option and it costs me like 3euro a month

golden gust
#

Yea, generally better to just go for a cheapo VPS

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You're not gonna get killed with egress charges the moment you actually use it for something

worn ember
#

fairly good price tbh

tired heath
#

What do you do with that limited resources?=

worn ember
#

basic stuff

golden gust
#

If your intent is to host a few sites nobody cares about, etc, that's likely plenty

worn ember
#

have the time i dont go over 5% cpu usage

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*half

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its just to host my jenkins server and some other projects in the future

#

so yeah, nothing cpu intensive

golden gust
#

oh god

worn ember
#

i just need a reliable connection

golden gust
#

jenkins server

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20 GB disk

tired heath
#

I would still go for Netcup

golden gust
#

Other month, I deleted a 200GB log file from jenkins

tired heath
#

especially with coupon

worn ember
#

i mean, just gotta purge that shit

golden gust
#

the surprise was more how fast it managed to do that

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jenkins broke something, and so the error logs would often bitch about something

limber knotBOT
#

oh that sfun

golden gust
#

jenkins /really/ hates the concept of free disk space

worn ember
#

error too much free disk

golden gust
#

Well, hey

limber knotBOT
#

or free memory

worn ember
#

thats one way to fill it up

golden gust
#

If that's an error they detect, they're doing a better job than microsoft

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at least their auto fix tools work

minor badge
#

i've got a 200mb sqlite db with drone, but that's the only really significant thing

worn ember
#

"do you want to find the solution to the problem automatically?" when you're really desperate its worth a try xD

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but it'll fail regardless

peak dirge
#

I was looking to get a GSP server because reasons, thankfully I didn't pick SlothHost

worn ember
#

build server

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it basically compiles your code for you and publishes it if you wish

limber knotBOT
#

does really whatever you want, especially fail

worn ember
#

thats cuz u write bad code ๐Ÿ˜‰

limber knotBOT
#

bad config for jenkins*

worn ember
#

also it wont fail if you dont have tests kek

limber knotBOT
worn ember
#

it literally says "for example"

limber knotBOT
#

and not "credit/debit cards, etc"

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hence, implication

worn ember
golden gust
#

I mean, there comes a point where you deserve to be shrekt

limber knotBOT
#

true

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thats why i always enforce http

worn ember
#

if you get scammed in 2020 you deserve it tbh

kindred storm
#

the thing with being scammed is, you don't know you're being scammed

limber knotBOT
#

the real scam in 2020 is 2020

kindred storm
#

you're completely ignorant

worn ember
#

well thats not my problem xD

kindred storm
#

It's the same conundrum in the case where you happen to do something wrong because of the circumstances. For example, if you open the door while someone is walking by, and hit them.

limber knotBOT
#

they got juped

kindred storm
#

Are you at fault? Well, it depends. If you honestly did not mean to hurt anyone, and you tried to be reasonably careful but still managed to accidentally hurt someone, no. If you were reckless and should have looked further into whether your actions could harm others, yes.

golden gust
#

I have no idea what you're saying

kindred storm
#

If you have been warned of the dangers of scamming, yet still refuse to take good practices, it's almost for sure that you are at fault.

golden gust
#

am more a picture person

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can you demonstrate?

kindred storm
#

This is a demonstration.

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The concept is demonstrated via the door and the accident.

limber knotBOT
#

visualize this

golden gust
#

picks up a door and slams it into A

limber knotBOT
#

imagine you get scammed

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at what point do you know you've been scammed?

kindred storm
#

after the fact, probably?

limber knotBOT
#

after what fact?

kindred storm
#

if you knew it was a scam you probably wouldn't buy into it

cunning raft
#

the fact

kindred storm
#

the scam itself

golden gust
#

The problem is old grannies on the internet prove me wrong

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get out of here chew

limber knotBOT
#

take the bitcoin situation, you send $1000 to your boy elon musk. you're ignorant. at what point do you realize it's a scam??

cunning raft
#

well no

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that's different

limber knotBOT
#

how? it's a scam

cunning raft
#

you need to know more than average to use bitcoin

kindred storm
#

I don't know, really. Depends on the circumstances, probably.

cunning raft
#

if you know enough to obtain bitcoin

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you deserve to be scammed

kindred storm
#

Maybe you don't know enough to obtain bitcoin

limber knotBOT
#

bitcoin isnt that difficult to buy or send

cunning raft
#

@golden gust ban 626170109844783114

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just got a dm advert

golden gust
#

idk who that is

worn ember
#

proof or riot

cunning raft
mighty storm
#

@agile narwhal

cunning raft
#

@agile narwhal

kindred storm
#

but that question gets into another question, which is whether $1000 bitcoin is anything meaningful which when you are deprived of it actually makes things worse

#

It could be argued that it matters very little, in some cases

limber knotBOT
#

report to discord ez ban

kindred storm
#

as always, you need more details to answer the question

worn ember
#

"comunidad"

#

lol wat

serene bolt
#

got the same message from that kid

worn ember
#

i was spared

limber knotBOT
#

probably because yall are up on the list

cunning raft
#

i don't got a fancy role

worn ember
limber knotBOT
#

no one can dm me ๐Ÿ˜„

cunning raft
#

simply a paperd-tester ๐Ÿ˜ž

serene bolt
#

spigot discord is the only discord I have that turned off

worn ember
#

i have i off on big servers

cunning raft
#

and blocking people works better than not accepting dms

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it's not that big of a problem for me

golden gust
#

i always forget to disable it in new dumcords

serene bolt
#

I usually like when people dm me, a lot of the time it's not annoying and it's fine

#

but on spigot discord it was a massive issue so uh yeah

golden gust
#

otherwise I get DMs daily and it's just bleh

kindred storm
#

for some reason they often start with "hello" or "hi"

worn ember
#

if they want to dm me they can ping me and send me a friend request

limber knotBOT
#

nah people just write hi

kindred storm
#

as if they mean to be nice and they're instantly your friend or something

limber knotBOT
#

and then nothing else

golden gust
#

you answer one question and all of a sudden they expect you to hold their hands in DMs

limber knotBOT
#

oi zml

serene bolt
#

my favorite is when people instantly call you

limber knotBOT
#

hi chew

tired heath
limber knotBOT
#

zzcat you can turn it off by default

worn ember
#

i hate when people do that

grand pewter
#

imagine dm'ing pure

kindred storm
#

after they say hi they launch into the private support request

grand pewter
#

lol

golden gust
#

Well, yea; They expect you to engage in convo and start pestering them to provide info

limber knotBOT
serene bolt
#

3rd party discord client spotted

limber knotBOT
#

it's an irc client

golden gust
#

That's the one thing that pisses me off helping people is when you literally need to ask 3 times "grab the logs", then they start having a fit over nobody helping them

worn ember
#

banned

kindred storm
#

.halp

limber knotBOT
#

i love how it's immediantly a 3rd party discord client even though it's 3rd party modifications to the first party discord client

#

whatever happened to 2nd party

worn ember
#

no one wants you at their 2nd party

golden gust
#

we killed those insider skum

limber knotBOT
#

you could bring 2nd party back

waxen panther
limber knotBOT
#

no one wants me at their first party either lol

#

zml: did u see my ping, how do i go from point a (my computer ) to point bee (maven centeal)

worn ember
#

just invite yourself

worn ember
#

No

limber knotBOT
#

you said invite yourself

#

so i did

#

what do you want from me :c

waxen panther
limber knotBOT
#

oh i didn't rip what are you trying to publish chew

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my api lib

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ive been throwing it onto my repo but for stale releases i should probably put them on some sort of central repo :p

#

maven or gradle?

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maven

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ok that's not terible -- sonatype has an OSS parent pom

#

oh were you using gradle

#

the first thing you need to do is make a GPG key and publish it to a keyserver

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done

#

good that's the annoying part

#

gpg keychain did that for me :3

#

either way it's still my irc client

zealous wedge
limber knotBOT
#

and there's no first party irc clients!

minor badge
#

@zealous wedge woa

limber knotBOT
#

owo

#

uwu

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woa

strong abyss
#

Random Q @spare venture but how are you going on 1.16.1?

grand pewter
#

ya seems pretty much like 1.15 tbh for the most part

#

btw barty chunky got like a 50% speed boost from paper-118 lol

#

yeah its real nice

#

i got 10k to load in like 6 some hours instead of 9 some hours

slim nymph
#
oregonlive

Portland City Commissioner Chloe Eudaly said Tuesday the city is fining the federal government $500 every 15 minutes โ€“ the maximum charge --- until an unpermitted fence is removed from Southwest Third Avenue.

grand pewter
#

wtf

slim nymph
#

disgusting in what the feds are doing or what the locals are doing? i home the former

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hope*

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ok good you meant former ๐Ÿ˜›

limber knotBOT
#

yeah poor portland

worn ember
#

i find it funny how easily your news outlets are able to spew out bs kek

limber knotBOT
#

it's still kinda weird seeing a misc building i last went into in like grade 7? or so on a field trip become part of the national news cycle

worn ember
#

we only have 2 media groups that do the news here, one is state funded and one is private, and they pretty much say the same stuff so i assume its mostly correct

cunning raft
#

The Fox News Channel is

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with the FCC

#

so they are not liable for Defamation and shit like that

#

local Fox channels are fine tho

#

they are registered news channels

worn ember
#

idk how you all put up with this

cunning raft
#

i mean

slim nymph
#

yeah...

#

people really arent anymore

cunning raft
#

which is probably best for covid numbers

#

yeah a lot of younger people have taken into looking at politics

worn ember
#

so now they go protest when they should be isolating

slim nymph
#

we're sadly reaching the point of what the 2nd amendment was for.... and when that happens, thats civil war

cunning raft
#

uhh

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bad idea to pull a gun out on those people lol

worn ember
#

lmao

limber knotBOT
#

yeah, the 2nd ammendment at this point is mostly theoretical

worn ember
#

lets point a gun at special forces, what could go wrong

limber knotBOT
#

considering the amount of stockpiling the US military has done

cunning raft
#

not how it works

#

they will win

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you will die

worn ember
#

win win

cunning raft
#

but anyways from what i understand a federal court blocked the secret police shit

limber knotBOT
#

if you start firing on the federal troops, they just bring in the tanks and the drones and the missiles

cunning raft
#

temporarily at least

limber knotBOT
#

yeah

slim nymph
#

yeah the 2a has failed really, even with the rights insistence on assault weapons, the govt still has BETTER assault gear

worn ember
#

i dont think they'll nuke their own ground zml, well i sure hope not

slim nymph
#

and drones

limber knotBOT
#

it's america dark

worn ember
#

yes but even they're not that stupid

#

thats some middle east shit

static badge
#

weren't most drone kills innocents anyways

cunning raft
#

They can only nuke federal land without permission from states lol

slim nymph
#

nah theyll just use it as reason to shoot you dead instantly barty

cunning raft
#

weren't most drone kills innocents anyways
has never stopped the US from using drone kills

limber knotBOT
#

by "middle east shit" you mean the things the US military has been doing in its wars?

slim nymph
#

they wont say "oh man better not arrest them", theyll say "armed terrorist is a threat to our life, take em out"

worn ember
#

yes

limber knotBOT
#

like laws only exist as long as these federal troops want to follow them

worn ember
#

not want to, ordered not to

#

i dont think you'd like the outcome

limber knotBOT
#

except if everyone did that barty, nothing would change

grand pewter
#

if you wait 365 days we'll have skipped a year

limber knotBOT
#

it'd just be one year later

slim nymph
#

the hell, md5 didnt even make a 1.15 branch of CB.

limber knotBOT
#

lol

fallen oracle
#

Okay but I could at least buy alcohol then

worn ember
#

push to master

limber knotBOT
#

this january will be interesting

worn ember
#

so who are the candidates for the elections?

limber knotBOT
#

trump and biden

worn ember
#

thats it?

cunning raft
#

it's always 2

slim nymph
#

horrible person 1 and horrible person 2

worn ember
#

smh no wonder you get nowhere xD

cunning raft
#

both parties want to kill me but i think biden wants to kill me less

slim nymph
#

whats really sad, is if biden wins, there will be more people who disapprove of him than people who disapprove of trump

worn ember
#

we vote for the parties we want and then the other parties form coalitions to get a majority anyway

#

sounds like a way better system /s

golden gust
#

md never makes branches unless he has to backport

cunning raft
#

i mean we'd be voting for biden's vp if anything

#

the dnc is too full of themselves to put bernie in there

slim nymph
#

i disagree barty, i think trumps very likely to win, especially if biden fucking chooses warren

fallen oracle
#

Can his VP be Obama?

cunning raft
#

uhhh

#

yes

#

but obama wouldn't

slim nymph
#

more people voted for hillary than trump, its not about counts

#

its about EC

fallen oracle
#

I think he should go with Mr. Care

limber knotBOT
#

biden is just a bag of meat as a presidential candidate

worn ember
#

cant you vote for no president? that would probably be the better option

slim nymph
#

but is biden hated more than hillary? no

cunning raft
#

not voting is worse

limber knotBOT
#

i mean if you were obama would you go back to he white house

slim nymph
#

but.... were at the same problem of 2016. theres nothing to energize the left to vote anymore than there was in 2016

cunning raft
#

plus the sexists will vote for biden (over hillary)

limber knotBOT
#

does anyone actually care about biden? like imagine having the energy to hate him

worn ember
#

not in this shitshow for sure

slim nymph
#

about the only thing you could say is different is in 2016 it was "theres no way he can win" and now its a bit more real

kindred crater
#

both candidates are absolutely horrible, this election is literally just "so who do you think is less horrible"

slim nymph
#

but noones ethusiastic about biden

worn ember
#

"who will fuck up the least"

serene bolt
#

bidens garbage trump is garbage

#

rip

worn ember
#

i think its time to move

static badge
#

dum americans can stay in dum america

slim nymph
worn ember
#

"uncle joe"

#

bruh

limber knotBOT
#

eh at this point if you haven't left the US you're kinda stuck

static badge
#

boomers love him

limber knotBOT
#

the borders are closed

worn ember
#

good

cunning raft
#

popular vote you mean?

limber knotBOT
#

we couldn't even get that in canada barty

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and that was one of the points trudeau campaigned on

worn ember
#

is canada the better america?

slim nymph
#

ranked choice is when you vote for 2-3 people

cunning raft
#

ah

slim nymph
#

if your ideal candidate doesnt win, your vote moves to next

limber knotBOT
#

it's a mediocre country that only looks good because it's right next to america

kindred crater
#

@worn ember it all depends on your beliefs and what aspects you look at

cunning raft
#

and no Dark, no country is absolutely better than another

slim nymph
#

so it lets you vote for your preferred without "throwing away your vote"

worn ember
#

what does that solve at all tho

#

you only have 2 candidates anyway

slim nymph
#

only because the systems designed to make it that way

warm anchor
#

I mean there are no perfect choice but you can pick lesser evil of them

slim nymph
#

3 way split divides vote

cunning raft
#

no

worn ember
#

you should have more parties tbh

slim nymph
#

the left cant run 2 people or it wont be enough to beat the right

warm anchor
#

yeah

worn ember
#

that way you can regulate better

golden gust
#

it would take a radical shift of voters to fix the 2 party bs

worn ember
#

now you just have the extremes of both spectrums in each others hair

slim nymph
#

well, it might fix it self with age....

#

as the younger generation replaces the older

golden gust
#

Well, that's true too

warm anchor
#

question is if we are able to live to see that phossure

slim nymph
#

just itll be a long time

warm anchor
#

but Aikar people's view chances with ages too

cunning raft
#

if the dncs keeps their shit up it's gonna be their fault too

limber knotBOT
#

yeah, the american political establishmet is useless

slim nymph
#

eh some, but its not that peoples views have changed, its that society has changed, and peoples age aligns with their experience of the world at their points in life

cunning raft
#

NaPaVoInterCo!

#

that's the only way EC will go

slim nymph
#

well there is movement to kill EC atm, its like 50% complete?

cunning raft
#

the movement is NaPaVoInterCo

peak dirge
#

the sad part is that it's either Biden or Trump

#

either I eat a shit sandwich or it's fascism

#

fine, I'm eating the shit sandwich under duress

cunning raft
#

72% barty

warm anchor
golden gust
#

pics or it didn't happen

cunning raft
#

22% pending

#

because we only need to get to 50% in order to control the EC

#

that's when it goes into effect

slim nymph
#

theres a graph

cunning raft
#

oh the entire thing

#

72% of the required 50%

#

once NaPoVoInterCo state members reach a majority control of the EC, it goes into effect

potent fossil
#

so what do we do then Eye Car bc im not voting for trump again

#

:^)

slim nymph
#

use NPVIC that way your saying it looks so weird lol

cunning raft
#

cgpgrey ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

slim nymph
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we take a punch to the gut and vote biden then drink our selves silly until results are announced

potent fossil
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thats what i was going to do anyway

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glad we're on the same page

warm anchor
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isnt the original idea was to make sure smaller state to have a voice in the national stage? so that's kinda normal

slim nymph
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yes, but that 'original idea' gives that little state significantly more power per citizen than rest, its pretty imbalanced

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a vote where the loser had 3 MILLION more votes is pretty damn lame

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the idea behind a republic has failed

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politicians are driven by their party, not by their people

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and lobbyist

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like im sure theres some right leaning states that are not happy with trump, but theres what 3? republicans who are standing up to him

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and sadly one died

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its because as you see with each case, specially with whats going on now with roberts, the rights so quick to stab you in the back if you do anything off script

limber knotBOT
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The 2 party system sucks

slim nymph
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glad roberts is showing integrity, hope they realize them stabbing him in back is only going to encourage him to keep saying fuck you to them lol

cunning raft
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2 parties is both good and bad

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prevents against the cancer than is British parliament

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but also leads to its own cancer

golden gust
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I mean, we're basically the same

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Last election we had a tool vs a delusional moron

worn ember
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Meanwhile we have 8 parties we can vote for

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And they never get anything done

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Politics is great

cunning raft
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at least with 2 parties we can get shit done if we really need to

golden gust
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Part of the reason why "2 party" works is because you generally have one group of people with one set of ideas, and another party with anothers

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You just spend decades with each party undoing the "damage" caused by the other

worn ember
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The stuff we do get through is usually pretty solid. It just takes forever

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So yeah. We still don't have a government since the last elections cuz they can't agree on the coalition

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It has been since February

serene bolt
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I cannot get the paper forums to send me an activation email :( tried a few hours ago and tried just now and still nothing

worn ember
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Have you checked spam?

serene bolt
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yup, nothing

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just a gmail email too, nothing weird

worn ember
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It did that for me with twitch lol

limber knotBOT
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right email?

serene bolt
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yup

limber knotBOT
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ive got nothin

ancient bolt
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I can't log in to the forums anymore

limber knotBOT
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rip

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Your parents are genetically closer to monkeys than you. Their parents are genetically closer to monkeys than them.

ancient bolt
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oh nvm

limber knotBOT
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wut

ancient bolt
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every human generation is 1 more generation further removed from ours and mokeys common ancestor, I guess is the idea

limber knotBOT
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hmm, i guess

warm anchor
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so I can call my parent monkey?

worn ember
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Mfw there's a howler alarm going off. Are the Germans invading again?

limber knotBOT
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also demon whats your fav song from folklore

ancient bolt
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seven atm

worn ember
limber knotBOT
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im glad it's the 7th song in the album

ancient bolt
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I wish she had made it the 6th song or something like that

limber knotBOT
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for whatever reason spotify showed 2 separate albums

worn ember
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Imagine the hate

ancient bolt
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yeah 1 is explicit the other isn't

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haven't even bothered listening to the censored version

limber knotBOT
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indeed

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it's only showing me the explicit one now

worn ember
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Since when does Taylor swear?

limber knotBOT
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oh nvm it's like "1 other release"

ancient bolt
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since 1989 I think is the first time she swore

limber knotBOT
ancient bolt
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Will have to double check

limber knotBOT
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oh hush xd

ancient bolt
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this is the first time she has said the word "fuck" in an album though

limber knotBOT
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1989 doesnt have any explicit songs that i know of

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that was a great album tbh

slim nymph
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why would one listen to clean, its so annoying

ancient bolt
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I think she says "damn", which some americans consider searing

slim nymph
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its another thing im enjoying about SiriusXM

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normal music

worn ember
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Imagine listening to half bleeped songs

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MTV vibes

ancient bolt
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idk what's worse, bleeping or trying to fill in with other lyrics

fiery tapir
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the worst offenders are the ones that just distort it

limber knotBOT
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rappers's songs be like 99% instrumental 1% "the"

slim nymph
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eminem songs are just weird clean

worn ember
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Ikr

fiery tapir
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"what the SWWEEEUEWWW"

slim nymph
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em has energy in his lyrics, those words are placed with meaning

fiery tapir
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just noise

slim nymph
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to take out his words, destroys his message

worn ember
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The old censored songs just cut out lol

limber knotBOT
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yeah aikar i agree

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like they just mute the lyrics

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for that word

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i remember some bowling for soup song had "ass" but the 'radio disney version' just turned off the lyrics for that word

worn ember
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I never got why they need to censor swearing

limber knotBOT
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parents

worn ember
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As if they never swear

limber knotBOT
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i personally don't like swearing unless it's necessary

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gotta keep their vision of their child's innocence intact

worn ember
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Right....

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The ones they swear at when shit goes south

cunning raft
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i personally don't like swearing unless it's necessary
what the fuck are you talking about

limber knotBOT
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like that, unnecessary swearing

cunning raft
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:p

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messing with u

golden gust
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I used to work on a shop floor

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fuck is a comma

limber knotBOT
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like i see some grotesque stuff im like "what the fuck"

worn ember
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The * did you say to me you little *

ancient bolt
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fuck is too versatile to just remove from the language

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some day maybe all other words will be replaced with "fuck"

limber knotBOT
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you can say fuck and shit in so many ways

worn ember
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They censor it but you already knew what whent there so seems pretty pointless

limber knotBOT
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"You are shit" and "You are the shit" insult and compliment, like what other word has that same energy

worn ember
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Fuck

golden gust
ancient bolt
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"you're a bitch" vs "you're a bad bitch"

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add a negative, turn it into a compliment

limber knotBOT
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double negative

worn ember
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I fed my bitch this morning

cunning raft
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it's not just swear words that behave this way

ancient bolt
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yeah but they're the most fun

cunning raft
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but yeah words change with context

slim nymph
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society is so weird, we demonize nudity and swearing but let kids play violent games

limber knotBOT
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well violent games don't have an effect on a growing mind, nudity does for sure

worn ember
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Let them play their fortknight

slim nymph
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uh i disagree lol

ancient bolt
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Well the bible said sex is bad, but the bible has people murdering each other in god's name all the time < basically america's mindset

limber knotBOT
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ah yes nobody owns a body

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I'm referring to nudity in the sense of like porn or whatever

slim nymph
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most games glorify violence, it exhibits gaining enjoyment by killing people and being criminals

limber knotBOT
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does i tho chew?

golden gust
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But, that's not what we're referring to

slim nymph
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yes theres a difference in nudity vs porn ๐Ÿ˜›

worn ember
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Nudity doesn't have to be associated with porn tho

golden gust
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^^

limber knotBOT
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true

slim nymph
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persons just changing clothes and body is exposed? (gender irrelevant), why make a big deal out of it?

limber knotBOT
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but once little 12 year old timmy sees some tiddies he's gonna wanna see more, but that's a whole nother rabbit hole

potent fossil
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i personally like games where i get to be a criminal, that was i can exercise microaggressions without being arrested

ancient bolt
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12 year old timmy has already seen some tiddies, guaranteed