stop talking about it then
#general
cunning raft
umbral parrot
I just ended it
umbral parrot
I'm waiting for the package to just be an envelope filled with ants
and then for them to tunnel out of it
median crane
you know
the species i got are called houdini
because they scape of all the nests
umbral parrot
perfect for the average drunk person
umbral parrot
median crane
did u know ants make sound
lapis marlin
hallo
umbral parrot
these still have to be done after like 9 months https://img.legendeffects.co.uk/pyRUW
vestal jasper
Anyone have the 1.16 bstats graph for spigot/paper?
fallen oracle
viral hornet
It's growing!
serene bolt
27k servers on 1.16 in general already, god damn
fallen oracle
Ikr
Gotta finish updating projects
But I'm pretty busy cause PayPal disabled my account.
viral hornet
Glare stop pesterting 😦
fallen oracle
I didn't say to update I said when do you plan to start testing
serene bolt
I need to convert all of my code over to minimessage tonight I think, all of the new RGB stuff is extremely useful, the gradients are so good
viral hornet
Pop mentioned that in Discord actually
serene bolt
haven't heard of that, will check it out :D
viral hornet
I haven't heard of Kyori before
viral hornet
Ahh
serene bolt
ah gotcha
fallen oracle
I plan to switch to it at some point in time so I can allow users to customize the help menu of VoteParty.
void void
did viper get banned?
waxen panther
Yes!
void void
why lol
pulsar wigeon
:^)
void void
he asked about 1.16 two thousand times?
waxen panther
No he joked about school shootings
void void
hm
pulsar fox
claim minecraft.* is banned from paypal
slender jay
lord almighty i just finished reading what nossr wrote
someone should just stick brianna in jail and let her rot there
thorny totem
Here's a table for you
┬─┬
tawdry sapphire
hello!
lapis marlin
😳
vast idol
Spigot discord is so toxic 😂
serene bolt
this place really isn't much better at times, don't let a vocal minority classify the entire group
golden gust
knocks over the lithium salt
but, yea, mc communities in general are just saturated with vocal arsehats
take rez here forexample
vast idol
Thank god I don't hang around other people that run Minecraft servers irl, phew
grand pewter
this server is toxic too, but you just don't notice it because you're the same kind of toxic
golden gust
runs
grand pewter
jk
golden gust
(jkilydontkillme)
vast idol
Haha
serene bolt
celest coyote
welcome to the abuse club
grand pewter
just keep in mind everything i say is a joke unless i'm serious
celest coyote
I am not liable for anything I say however you should definitely take this statement as fact
golden gust
i forgot to plug my damned headphones in before i crashed, think I was only expecting to go for a nap, not a bloody 11 hour sleepfest
thorny totem
Don't think that would be affected to minecraft hosts? Myself I'm paying for a dedicated server on OVH, that should be okay.. unless they sees I host minecraft servers
pulsar fox
the 100% made up boogeymen can't hurt you TNTUP
waxen panther
cat being mean again s m h
vast idol
When one of your players loses their netherite to a cured zombie villager
serene bolt
"hello admin i fell into lava because of lag and i had a full set of netherrite on me, can u give it back pls?"
vast idol
Haha
pulsar wigeon
"hello admin i got a new account my last account was a moderator here can i have mod back pls"
vast idol
Funny thing is I had someone last night to legitimately fall through the bedrock on top of nether into a lava lake after coming through portal
vestal jasper
"hi I'm from pmc and I'm here to review ur surber"
This name really is growing on me.
vast idol
"I am Minecraft. I have play anyone?"
My favorite is when on the Mojang big site you see "I lost my armor can you please give it back?"
Bug*
waxen panther
@vestal jasper
pulsar fox
@serene bolt tbf that was valid on bedrock lol
vestal jasper
@waxen panther
waxen panther
@waxen panther
thorny totem
lol I remember that PMC trend... old times xD
vast idol
I asked my players to test anti X-ray last night, and the ones I instantly expected would do it instantly replied that they would test. They were like "whoa so laggy and ores everywhere, yep X-ray doesn't work" , then I proceeded to turn it off without telling them
neat smelt
they'll probably find it out sometime and will xray again
vast idol
Probably but there's always coreprotect
serene bolt
why are you turning anti xray off?
vast idol
Noticeable lag while it was on, due to half my server plays on potato laptops
Well FPS more so
serene bolt
use engine mode 1 then, it's better than nothing
vast idol
Yeah true
I always know the answer I'm going to get when I asks how much ram they have
Tell me gang what's the answer
shut marten
I'm guessing 4-8GB
waxen panther
0
gleaming rivet
37 and a half
vast idol
I'm like how you even running Windows
heady spear
Hello morons what’s going on here
vast idol
I had to play mc on bedrock last year for months with some coworkers because half of them didn't even own a pc anymore lol
heady spear
I over slept by an hour because I stayed up reading about dum Minecraft drama. I’m very angry rn >:(((
serene bolt
lol same
vast idol
What was the drama lol
fallen oracle
City, you missed so much.
Did you hear that mxbaxter agrees EssentialsX is disappointing on bStats?
serene bolt
no way... I can't believe he said that
pulsar wigeon
i heard glare has a $300/month patreon goal to make paper compatible with sponge
neat smelt
serene bolt
wow, and I thought so much better of him than that
pulsar wigeon
city is rushing to the gym right now for his checkin smh
heady spear
FYI I’m stuck on the toilet, can send audio evidence
I need to rush to the gym tho because I’m an hour late there and it’s extremely upsetting to me
pulsar wigeon
no don't
hazy veldt
Please don't city
pulsar wigeon
will ban
heady spear
Now there will be a bunch of thots there
heady spear
Did we reach a conclusion regarding the PayPal mess?
Was it just songoda being songoda again? I missed a lot during my sleep, it seems
hazy veldt
If you aren't whatever that website was you're fine
golden gust
to my understanding, yes
pulsar wigeon
99.9% songoda being songoda
heady spear
I’m on there but we’re never sold anything there so I’m Gucci
pulsar wigeon
i mean, they likely got themselves banned from paypal for whatever reason, does not affect anyone else outside their site
heady spear
Worst case scenario notmyfault would have been banned by PayPal, not a big loss tbh
pulsar wigeon
you know city it really annoys me that your name is missing a t
i assume this is a swedish thing or something
heady spear
Would suck for him tho, then he can’t order weird gardening shit online
vast idol
I haven't used PayPal in over 7-8 years. Don't plan on it. If that's the only payment method I pass on anything
heady spear
Hm, stad instead of stat?
pulsar wigeon
damn scandanavians taking the hard consonants out of the barbaric german language
Stadt
heady spear
Could change that, stat means state (as in city state) 😛
pulsar wigeon
yes, i figured as much
heady spear
Lol we are gracious people
pulsar wigeon
it's just...to me your name looks like a typo
stiff yarrow
99.99% likelihood bri went to the lengths of faking a voice chat to make herself look better so she wouldn't look as bad when she had to tell her fan base paypal banned her
heady spear
Lol so everything is exactly as it should be
I love this community, it’s so fucked up
waxen panther
stiff yarrow
she's likely got that condition when people can't help but lie about everything
heady spear
Well nossr the good thing is that you’re no longer affiliated with her
Mythomania, but I think she’s a bit of a sociopath 👀
peak dirge
relevant drama generator image
waxen panther
her staff were very angry about mcmmo lol
heady spear
Without mcmmo on there, there’s no bigger creator that she can brag about
waxen panther
just a bunch of shitty broken plugins
heady spear
You were one of the people she mentioned when she was trying to get me to sell PlotSquared on there
neat smelt
*Stadtmonster
heady spear
German = bad
waxen panther
We need a new fan club theme
neat smelt
indeed
pulsar wigeon
it's funny cuz none of the songoda plugins are compatible with plotsquared
waxen panther
stiff yarrow
I don't got enough brain space to store all this songoda drama
heady spear
Or maybe it wasn’t a competition, idk, the shit where she pretended to be affiliated with Microsoft and ended up deleting her Twitter
Wtf she’s still going and she’s doubling down
hazy veldt
You're going to illegally sell plugins on spigot
So that's her plan. Use this to try and damage spigot's market
heady spear
Choco was the one to close the spigot thread lmao
stiff yarrow
the whole thing is setup to distract you from the fact Brianna did some unknown thing to get banned from PayPal
pulsar wigeon
this whole thing was orchestrated by kangarko bribing paypal to ban songoda so the drama would move away from him
hazy veldt
Was that the drama generator?
stiff yarrow
.g kangarko
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heady spear
heady spear
Daddy Kangaroo
livid plume
does the anti xray work in the 1.16.1 nether?
I remember it not working in previous nethers I think
golden gust
Yes, but you probs wanna configure it
e.g. boost the max sections so that it actually obfuscates the entire nether, etc
livid plume
thanks <333
also thanks a lot for helping to maintain this awesome project jesus christ
saving our lives
pulsar fox
subtle bridge
When the vanilla issue of No key position_predicate in MapLike is resolved by Mojang in Vanilla, it will be updated on Paper, correct? This issue is not us...?
Just confirming my understanding of #announcements
golden gust
well, yes
if somebody else wants to fix it, we're not gonna stop them, but, that stuff is basically low priority
heady spear
Righty, so because the email mentions their TOS we should interpret it as Minecraft plugins being illegal
Rather than songoda(‘s website) having broken the rules
That is indeed a logical conclusion
vast igloo
I cancelled my pledge xD
thorny totem
where did u get those kangarko emojis? 😂
heady spear
Secret
thorny totem
okie xD
woven otter
charred ore
Hi
neat smelt
@pulsar fox and ideas which discord user made the anti xray github thing? bc the [2] picture was made by me
not complaining that he uses it, thats for what i made it
pulsar fox
@pastel pivot
neat smelt
oh xd
serene bolt
the secret to closing threads on spigot is to just close them without posting about it being locked so they don't know it's me, choco is a champ for taking accountability for locking everything 
heady spear
Songoda is trying to do damage management in her discord and it’s not working out
Had some of her more prominent creators dm me telling me they’re fleeing site 
It’ll be interesting seeing whether or not she’ll recover from this shit
unreal quarry
One day she'll learn flashing tit pics can't get you out of everything
heady spear
Also idk how I find myself involved in this too. Either I’m attracted to drama or it’s attracted to me
grand pewter
Lol was joking
heady spear
Who is shadow modding now .-.
grand pewter
Its ok i deserved it
unreal quarry
for you, cat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=312Sb-2PovA ^_^
golden gust
the top comment lol
Boris Johnson 'concerned' by Leicester coronavirus outbreak
It's almost like... his scientific advisors have spent the past fuck knows how long warning him about this....
unreal quarry
I got kicked out of 2 stores today for not wearing a mask :(
pulsar wigeon
have you considered wearing a fucking mask
magic river
No one here (Iowa) does :/
pulsar wigeon
not surprised billy doesn't either honestly
he takes pride in being that kind of person
unreal quarry
I have a beard... Masks kinda don't do anything
gleaming rivet
I got kicked out of 2 stores today for not wearing a mask :(
@unreal quarry
Come to denmark, nobody cares and or are too scared to speak their mind..
magic river
I didn't take mine the other day because I didn't know we'd be going in anywhere (thought we were hitting the drive thru for some ice cream) and was super self conscious about it but literally no one else in the store was wearing one
Stayed as far from people as I could, touched as little as possible, and GTFO once I got my shake
winter stirrup
just don't go outside 
gleaming rivet
Solution to everything: just don't xD
golden gust
Did chrysti not shave her beard either?
winter stirrup
gotta do what ya gotta do eh?
unreal quarry
chrysti didnt want to go. she was all 'you need to get some outside time'
i laughed, but then realized she was serious, so went
golden gust
ah, yes, the "fuck off, but nicely"
magic river
I pretty much only leave my house to walk around the neighborhood or go grocery shopping at this point
And if they weren't swamped I'd get grocery delivery or curbside pickup for that instead
winter stirrup
I order my groceries and have them delivered, I go out to walk the dog and the occasional fast food.
vast idol
The setting for loot regenerating, is that for all structures or what?
unreal quarry
@vast idol not a structures thing. any container that has a lootable tag will regenerate it's contents
vast idol
Only if it's completely empty? (Didn't see much details on it)
unreal quarry
nah, it'll just add more until its full
then you'll start seeing message in console about containers being full
vast idol
Awesome thanks. If chest is destroyed it's done? Or regenerates?
unreal quarry
destroying a chest destroys the nbt, so yes, the lootable tag gets destroyed
vast idol
Simple and helpful thanks 🙂
celest coyote
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heady spear
Would like to announce that I’m Brianna’s best friend now
vestal jasper
@heady spear simp
heady spear
I think I might actually enjoy drama
Might be surprising to y’all
But it’s true....
pulsar wigeon
not rly
heady spear
At least pretend to be surprised
heady spear
I’m neutral in all of this tho
You’ll find that I never really contribute to shit lol
heady spear
Stop being Swedicist
potent fossil
stable enough, not quite 1.15. take backups. try it and see for yourself.
peak matrix
thanks, im just running an smp server w/ some friends and last time i tried 1.16 we got 9tps probably because that was the first spigot build
i hope this paper build is more stable
ill try
potent fossil
i place emphasis on take backups
also, follow the optimization guide
it's not really optional these days
it's necessary
peak matrix
i always take backups from everything and i go through every spigot,paper,bukkit yml to optimize my server
magic river
lol
heady spear
Stop calling me a simp
magic river
I haven't liked them long, only like 20 years or so 😉
vestal jasper
I'm 22 I haven't really had that long to like them, approx 4 years at this point for me.
golden gust
I'll stop calling you a simp when you stop acting like a simp
vestal jasper
@heady spear fuck off simp
magic river
When Lateralus came out I spent a bunch of time sitting in my room in the dark after school listening to it
Kicked back in a chair, relaxed, eyes closed, closest I ever got to drugs I guess 😛
Was like meditation
golden gust
be gone thotsimp
vestal jasper
God I love Rosetta Stoned
heady spear
I love you
magic river
If I had to pick a favorite song from them I think it'd be Eulogy
gleaming rivet
Would this work in theory?
https://omniscorner.blogspot.com/2020/05/optimizing-tps-in-minecraft-server.html
magic river
I doubt it'll do anything, most of your time is spent running JIT'ed code, not the JVM itself
neat smelt
would work in theory, but wont help much
magic river
That would, at best, speed up the JIT code generation but it wouldn't make the JIT'ed code any faster
magic river
If you even notice a difference outside of tiny benchmarks meant to show the difference I'd be shocked
magic river
If you got a 5% perf boost I'd be shocked
neat smelt
OpenJ9 > HotSpot
but you need to figure out how to tune it properly for 1.13+
runs way faster on 1.8 for example tunes right
.openj9
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gleaming rivet
I currently run openjdk11
neat smelt
aka hotspot11
gleaming rivet
Adoptopenjdk is all it says in java --version
neat smelt
yeaht
OpenJ9 is a bit faster, but you need to tune it for that
which hasnt been done for 1.13+ Minecraft so far
also uses less ram while beeing faster
gleaming rivet
Hmm :/
neat smelt
was able to run a 1.8 vanilla server with 512mb ram while beeing faster than hotspot with 1gb
also had 1.8 optifine run with just 256mb ram just fine while again, beeing faster than hotspot / oracle java
gleaming rivet
All this tweaking man...
potent fossil
slim nymph
well songoda doesnt need one, not like you should trust it even with an ssl cert
vernal moth
An ssl cert doesn't say anything anymore
It just means that the admin isn't a total idiot
winter stirrup
Songoda is just too "good" for one.
golden gust
looks at mcmmos site
god, somebody needs to design like a pillow
That just like, goes over your keyboard and doesn't hit the buttons, etc, that way you don't gotta shuffle your desk too much
winter stirrup
If you put enough pressure on it, won't it collapse? or is there something in the middle to prevent that
slender jay
winter stirrup
👍
golden gust
I CAN DREAM HAROLD
winter stirrup
or, you can just get a wireless keyboard and move it
golden gust
I already got a wir... shut up
winter stirrup
¯_(ツ)_/¯
waxen panther
eyes
neat smelt
whats that
ancient bolt
dev stuff
unreal quarry
nice \o/
naive bloom
Is anyone super picky with spawn builds?
potent fossil
wot
twin lagoon
quick pasture
naive bloom
Like, I guess really judgmental when you first join a server and see their spawn
twin lagoon
hi frank
vernal moth
well I made a ridiculous amount of progress on papermcp
@ancient bolt is that public somewhere? I might be able to contribute
ancient bolt
I'll share it with you when it's in a position to receive contributions
right now I'm mostly updating it from where I left off in 2018
but i'm able to do some cool stuff now with delayed configuration in gradle that I couldn't do back then due to new features gradle has in later versions
vernal moth
So still same principles as last time?
ancient bolt
lol yeah, but I'll let you have access soon-ish
vernal moth
Nice, thanks
ancient bolt
haven't tested survey / mercury / other cadix stuff in a while, so I'm curious if any of it has improved
vernal moth
I did some stuff for mercury/Lorenz together with Jamie, but it still has the dum inheritance issues. Jamie attempted to improve that, but it didn't seem to work for me (and I kinda stopped helping him test, lol)
ancient bolt
well if we can't get mercury working this project is dead in the water lol
but maybe the last few steps won't be hard to fix
ancient bolt
it's lorenz you're having issues with?
vernal moth
It's just that there are some cases where I need manual SRGs because the inheritance is strange
ancient bolt
that's what I had issues with last time
vernal moth
There are places where a class overrides and changes return type I think that is causing issues?
ancient bolt
sounds familiar
vernal moth
Yeah, thats what we took at stab at fixing, but it didn't really work and I just did manual SRGs for that
ancient bolt
I have a few fixes on top which resolves some of those issues built into paperweight / papermcp
so I'll need to update all of that for 1.16.1 and see where I stand
vernal moth
Since I had manual SRGs for papers obfheloers anyways, since they sometimes clash with mojang names
ancient bolt
that's exactly what my solution was
manual srgs to fix specific issues
not the best, but simple enough and a one time / version thing
vernal moth
It's like 150 lines in total iirc
slim nymph
this isnt too tied to mcp is it, cause im not sure im on board with mcp anymore, pretty much has to be yarn or mojang
slim nymph
doesnt matter if they arent out on day 1
ancient bolt
they are out on day 1 though
vernal moth
Yeah, I was gonna bring that up too, if we switch, I think the benefit of speed for yarn and mojang are undeniable
slim nymph
day 1 of snapshot*
ancient bolt
forge released quicker than spigot did
slim nymph
mcp releases on snapshots now?
vernal moth
We would want to at least track prereleases
slim nymph
i thought he held back mcp until official release
ancient bolt
mojang mappings would obviously be optimal
tbh...I wonder if we could just use them
considering it's at dev-time only
vernal moth
But I mean, the mcp situation improved greatly, tooling is open, the mcp update was made by the community this time iirc
slim nymph
i can ask dinnerbone if its at dev only and not 'shipped' if thats ok
ancient bolt
yeah go for it
slim nymph
remind me tomorrow, i gotta go to bed and hes obviously not around
slim nymph
well i dont wanna engage convo when im supposed to go to bed 😛
so you can ask if you want
ancient bolt
I need to go to sleep before I make tomorrow even more misserable
but @slim nymph no MCP isn't required, BUT there is a big caveat there
vernal moth
The general tooling would work for any mappings since Lorenz handles that and has adapters for everything
It's just the manual SRGs and the rewriting of patches
vernal moth
(which could be kinda automated)
slim nymph
im just worried binding our ability to START an update on an external party that doesnt have strong precedent on relasing as fast as mojang
ancient bolt
MCP isn't just the mappings, MCP also provides patches and exceptors (for mcinjector) which means MCP output is 100% compilable
those patches wouldn't work on mojang mappings
so I could theoretically do something like
spigot -> SRG -> apply MCP patches -> mojang
but ehh
slim nymph
as if we break off spigot, we gotta make sure our tooling lets us be able to release faster
ancient bolt
idk, would have to fiddle with it
oh if we don't have to support spigot compat this is trivial
so don't worry about that
slim nymph
well not there yet obv lol
potent fossil
is this conversation what i think it is
slim nymph
but we need to make sure dont put ourselves in corner
and if forge gets held up on some release and doesnt release what we need for weeks
vernal moth
We would need to support nms plugins for a long time
slim nymph
that would suck hard core
quasi valley
moj map or gtfo
ancient bolt
yeah, a core feature that paperweight (my name for papermcp) is that it will be able to remap patches
slim nymph
well if we break off spigot as "authority", nms plugins just have to map to w/e the hell we ship
sharp sentinel
Is Yarn an option?
ancient bolt
if I don't have that feature, I won't go forward iwth this
if I can remap patches, then even if something goes wrong horribly, we can still remap our patches back to spigot and use old tooling
sharp sentinel
As they’re fast - removes the MCP issue
slim nymph
oh if you can rewrite patches thats nice
ancient bolt
I have the process of how to remap patches pretty solid in my head, just need to work out all the tiny kinks
slim nymph
i was worried about if we have to manually rewrite patches, never would do that more than once
ancient bolt
@vernal moth my plan is to remap back to spigot mappings in reobf
vernal moth
Ah that would keep combat, ye
golden gust
combat
ancient bolt
yeah, that's why I've decided that automatically remapping patches is a requirement
vernal moth
But we also want to allow plugins to benefit from our mappings
ancient bolt
Yeah, my idea there is to provide a user-facing version of paperweight
twin lagoon
how much of a delay are we talking about?
if it's a minute i doubt people would mind
waxen panther
ancient bolt
which will also remap to spigot in reobf, but will give a forgegradle-like dev environment
slim nymph
for us devs working on paper a minute is a lot lol
ancient bolt
but that's on the back burner
twin lagoon
live-updating paper jar
slim nymph
minute is 'break nms plugins instead'
twin lagoon
ancient bolt
I'll play with yarn's tooling
maybe get some examples going with yarn vs mcp vs mojang
will help decide which tooling cost vs output quality we would prefer
slim nymph
k am gone
vernal moth
I'll see if I can ping bone about it
ancient bolt
but I still think MCP might still be a good option, I know they do produce pre-release mappings and the open tooling for MCP + faster updates now removes a lot of the past issues MCP has had
and yeah also gone
vernal moth
Pinged bone, let's see
golden gust
Imma go nap, try and hit a few things on my backlog and shit when I wake up
potent fossil
next thing we know, cat has slept all day and doesnt know what time it is
wait nvm thats me
quasi valley
isn't it 9am for you cat
ancient bolt
@vernal moth I'm worried that even if we are allowed to use it for dev env, using those mappings in our patches would be the deal breaker
But we'll see
vernal moth
Yeah
waxen panther
hello simple authority
vernal moth
I know that he personally wants to enable us to use them, but he doesn't decide
potent fossil
hello broccoli
ancient bolt
Yeah
smoky python
Sooo any updated bois?
potent fossil
What are you asking
smoky python
Pp shit
potent fossil
potent fossil
This shit again
quasi valley
bs
twin lagoon
it's songoda only
potent fossil
Songoda is still spinning lies
twin lagoon
until someone else reports so
waxen panther
At the end of the day even if one of their random, underpaid, overworked support people said that it doesn’t necessarily represent PayPal’s corporate opinion
smoky python
Okay alr thanks to confirm
cedar spade
mcp? what's a cat meant to do with mcp?
smoky python
Just wanted to know how far we all are
potent fossil
i mean?? even so...they're just taking the payment... the digital goods can just be changed to be "programming services".
like??
waxen panther
Yeah lol
smoky python
Can it?
potent fossil
yea...
they dont need to know what you programmed...
i mean, it's a loophole
lol
smoky python
I mean isn't programming service when someone request a plugin with his wishes?
potent fossil
unless they're going to just ban everything and go out of business
cedar spade
PayPal bans payment processing from PayPal
potent fossil
yeah, you're not technically lying
when they click dl button, they just requested a plugin didnt they
boom programming services
quasi valley
potent fossil
(like i said, it's a loophole)
i mean, i dont see a problem with that logic and i think it would work but in practice who knows
paypal is shit anyway
heady spear
Chazza is a songoda creator lol
stiff yarrow
that would be dope demon
potent fossil
#ignored
smoky python
That explains alot
vernal moth
Why do ppl listen to anything Charlie says?
heady spear
they don't lol
potent fossil
i didnt know he was a songoda creator tbh, that it was a random twitter post that got linked
vernal moth
It's not like it's news that he likes to talk dum dum
smoky python
And I didn't believe it, but I was about to
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whose charlie
potent fossil
chazza i guess
heady spear
https://twitter.com/ChazzaCodes dis nerd
Twitter
smoky python
BRuh
potent fossil
i remember a few years ago he was on spigot posting noob threads
or is this not Chazzmondo
smoky python
Noob threads
heady spear
potent fossil
lol
vestal jasper
He follows the Clash of Clans twitter account
potent fossil
yikes lol
vestal jasper
anything he does or says is irrelevant
smoky python
BRUH 150??
stiff yarrow
what makes Songodas claims very suspicious besides the fact it completely absolves her of all responsibility for getting banned from PayPal is that it implies that PayPal decided to target her and her alone instead of all these other Minecraft mod markets which are far bigger on the ecosystem, Songoda is like a needle in the haystack compared to Spigots sales but she gets targetted by this unverifiable policy first? Seems quite unlikely. It sounds like the kind of thing she would do to fake a phone conversation to deflect blame from herself as well.
potent fossil
what the fuck even is Clash of Clans
like, what is that
i always see it but never looked it up
vestal jasper
it's the world's shittiest mobile game
potent fossil
sounds about right
waxen panther
quasi valley
wouldn't be the first they they make ballsy claims lol
potent fossil
nossr, that is actually probably exactly right
heady spear
leaf she lied about being affiliated with microsoft and that microsoft would fly people out to a convention and pay for their hotel if they worked on her software for free
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I also doubt paypal would nuke minecraft mods entirely lol
potent fossil
lmao
heady spear
to create some robot shit for kids to learn programming
heady spear
I do too. She told me way in advance 😐
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yeah ik she lied about that too
heady spear
then she got called out on twitter by helen and deleted her account
potent fossil
helen?
smoky python
Helen?
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helen's a community manager iirc
heady spear
So her lying about paypal banning minecraft isn't really that far off the charts
yes, helen is the mojang community manager
twin lagoon
i am very sad that i got banned from their discord
latent valve
smoky python
Me too
potent fossil
i lold
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tbh I wouldn't be going over to their discord and shitposting
potent fossil
is helens post still up
heady spear
I'm still a verified creator on there =]
potent fossil
i wanna read that lmao
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you're just gonna feed their little narrative of "we're being attacked for no reason"
heady spear
We had a nice conversation, now barty thinks I'm a simp
stiff yarrow
Songodas loyal followers and partners in dubious deeds will probably avoid the uncomfortable thing (cognitive dissonance) of thinking about her claims or actions critically, since its easier to just stay ignorant and believe what she says at this point, they are invested in having her be right so they don't have to be wrong in supporting her, and being wrong feels bad so we can't have that
smoky python
I mean after the event she deleted all VC & the offtopic channel
vestal jasper
I got banned from songoda's discord for moving a few channels around when their bot got compromised and nuked the entire thing and gave everyone admin perms
latent valve
heady spear
Her followers already think that they're being targeted and now that some of them are actually getting banned for being idiots, it's just confirming their beliefs
vestal jasper
He did things which he shouldn't have was their reasoning lol
quasi valley
how dare you vic
viral hornet
when their bot got compromised and nuked the entire thing and gave everyone admin perms
I'm always terrified of this happening with my bot, even though there is no reason it should 😂
heady spear
potent fossil
i just joined their disc and its dead
vestal jasper
Don't give bots admin perms and don't give them roles that are hoisted above all other roles.
They broke both of those rules with their bot. There was only a single person capable of stopping the bot, and it was bri, and she was offline at the time.
heady spear
ye #general died after barty and I stopped talking
there's some shit in the creator channels tho
but it's pretty quiet
potent fossil
vestal jasper
she and kangaroo cunt have something in common, greed for money.
potent fossil
idk why Camm got banned yesterday when i was being infinitely more disrespectful and md just double kicked me
latent valve
potent fossil
I deserved a gline tbh
smoky python
Kangarko has the girl on his side? Damnn such a gentleman
heady spear
he's hot
twin lagoon
kangarcunt
smoky python
Yeah yeah
waxen panther
Sure u are
latent valve
sure city sureeeee
stiff yarrow
whats the kangarko drama
smoky python
U simping her!
exotic lily
huh, link for downloading 1.16 is missing?
latent valve
waxen panther
I know how you really feel 
viral hornet
he's hot
@heady spear please be joking
heady spear
did u really miss all of the kangarko shit
latent valve
.download
heady spear
you're lucky
limber knotBOT
pulsar fox
when you only go for looks and not personality 
waxen panther
@viral hornet gm
viral hornet
Good evening 😛
potent fossil
first we got him to remove all banners, then he added some back...and then he DMCA'd our document, so then shit went down and MD tiraded for over an hour yesterday @stiff yarrow
stiff yarrow
depression does a good job at keeping me away from discord lately
stiff yarrow
just changed my meds tho 
exotic lily
heady spear
smoky python
Damn, u missed the biggest meme in your life
latent valve
Grumio ctrl+f5
unreal quarry
@exotic lily press ctrl+f5 in browser to force cache reload
heady spear
we also discovered they were leaking premium resources
heady spear
"by accident"
viral hornet
But that's in the past so it doEsnT maTteR
potent fossil
viral hornet
Lmao
heady spear
basically shaming us for being mad at him and telling us that we r 2 dum to understand
then he lectured us on English law
heady spear
and told us that crimes only matter if they're happening right now
viral hornet
I'm gonna send a letter to his parents
heady spear
if u did something wrong in the past then it doesn't matter n u shouldn't be punished for it
stiff yarrow
what did he do that got attention brought on himself, the document is a bit tl;dr
heady spear
u should only be punished if ur currently a baddie
pulsar fox
Bruh I don't get why the doc is missing one of the biggest things, and md_5 didn't mention in his rant either even though it was in the thread.
The fact that he is breaking US Federal and EU law
heady spear
no one cares about laws
potent fossil
basically, his ads were all over spigot. plastered on his resources, as his spigot bio, in his avatar, in his sig, in random posts everywhere.
so, we wrote that doc and yeah
heady spear
we're all anarcho-communist smh
pulsar fox
lol
heady spear
yeah and the fact that he's scamming kids into buying his awful course
smoky python
Md5 speech; #694661573125472256 message
heady spear
and he admitted that his staff were taking the jetbrains course to write their course
bcuz like
that's what teachers do, I guess
stiff yarrow
this guy contacted me wanting a sponsorship but I never examined the offer because I wanted to review his educational course before sponsoring him, and I never reviewed it because of severe depression 
heady spear
well it's shite
wide chasm
The course is bad, I did the free trial
heady spear
andrew took it and said it sucked .-.
wide chasm
So now I can complain about it while being educated
stiff yarrow
I have full access to it since I told him I'd need to review his thing, but haven't looked over it
vestal jasper
Don't forget him hosting premium resources for his buyers, essentially stealing thousands of dollars from premium resource devs :D
heady spear
I said that already
vestal jasper
rip
heady spear
but it was an accident
smoky python
You can compare all his tutorials to this https://youtu.be/MAlSjtxy5ak
heady spear
and happened in the past
vestal jasper
sorry I was replying to DMs
heady spear
so we can't judge him
wide chasm
Wow, free full access you just saved yourself 600 euros
heady spear
things happening in the past r forgotten n u need to forget it asap k
vestal jasper
"an accident" how do you accidentally setup a maven repo with a bunch of premium resources
heady spear
and a github repo
heady spear
aw fuck
twin lagoon
now they have their own gitlab
viral hornet
It's pretty gross
heady spear
^also how we describe kangarko
y doesn't the document include his response where he basically admitted to doing everything we accused him of D:
pulsar fox
oh common, you don't like constant 500 errors while reviewing pull requests?
heady spear
dis was before he edited it and added an Isaac Newton quote
oh yeah he did that too, which was pretty funny ngl
potent fossil
the same isaac newton quote that's on his personal site? http://matejpeco.com/
ngl i laughed so hard at that
heady spear
funny guy, he writes in his tos that leaking his plugins means u'll get stressed and get a heart attack
stiff yarrow
oof thats a very narcisisstic quote in modern day context
potent fossil
potent fossil
yeah i saw that shit the other day but wasnt awake enough to fully investigate
stiff yarrow
is that the jetbrains art at the top
potent fossil
now he wants to teach people how to live
first he teach minecraft
then he teach life
smoky python
How to do the dishes?
smoky python
Good morning!
smoky python
He just sits there
stiff yarrow
he got to practice questionable ethics with Minecraft and now its time for the big leagues, facebook 
smoky python
Its been 9h since Paypal last contacted me yez
stiff yarrow
apparently there's a lot of ways to make money as long as you're willing to be completely unethical is what I've learned from recent drama
potent fossil
correct
haughty ridge
Hi. Has anyone heard of this minecraft cms realli similar to xenforo?
pulsar fox
wait, we're just gonna skip over his websites og:description?
Helped 300+ people break through invisible walls holding them back using pattern analysis and energy work.
haughty ridge
I can't remember its name 
smoky python
it's all about the social engineering
pulsar fox
yea it's pretty decent
potent fossil
fucking enjin
zealous wedge
pulsar fox
imagine paying someone else to take your money
@zealous wedge in case you were confused
zealous wedge
you know, it looks almost exactly like facebook
neat smelt
@stiff yarrow there are far better ways to make money if youre unethical
zealous wedge
i sure was confused
stiff yarrow
its strangely hard to find a high end dedi rental service in NA that offers the current best single threaded performance cpus
haughty ridge
hetzner is goot, but ir is only on europe
Germany & Finland
They recently upgraded all their servers with new amd epyc cpus
pulsar fox
stiff yarrow
xeon and single core perf usually aren't the things that come to mind
pulsar fox
True, but the issue is no decent US server provider is going to lease desktop hardware
which is why you've found it so hard
ornate spindle
2288G's are basically i7's
ornate spindle
passmark heavily favours intel so best to look at the scores from early march
but can also look at geekbench
stiff yarrow
yeah passmark isn't reliable anymore
neat smelt
use geekbench and not Passmark
median crane
hello hackers
waxen panther
saas?
median crane
I bought ants yesterday
stiff yarrow
I was told Intel literally bought passmark and skews the scores to favour things intel CPUs are better at than AMD
very sketchy business practices from Intel
neat smelt
intels buisness side is sketchy af
unreal quarry
We need a new benchmark. Like, how many tnt does it take to crash on certain cpus
runs away
ornate spindle
I mean, I get more fps in 1.16 than my friends who use i7s/i9s with 2080 Ti's while I have a 1080 + 3900x
stiff yarrow
normalized
neat smelt
and yes, thats a original intel market slide and not a meme
stiff yarrow
back in my day we compared hardware by using test rigs with as identical hardware as possible
stiff yarrow
@ornate spindle FPS in Minecraft seems pretty random, on certain distros I get 3000+ fps, on some I get 150+ fps
ornate spindle
yeah rn my friend with an i9-9900k OC'd to 5ghz and a titan rtx only gets 63 fps where as I get 230 - 300 fps
void void
that sounds like vsync
stiff yarrow
63 fps 🤢
ornate spindle
he had it disabled
stiff yarrow
did he have gsync disabled too?
ornate spindle
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ornate spindle
I don't think it matters unless you're full screen
neat smelt
depending on the version and map, i get between 100 and 2000 fps in minecraft, really depends on what type of server it is and how good its optimized
stiff yarrow
nah they made it so gsync can be run in windowed
ornate spindle
huh
stiff yarrow
its optional you have to go into nvidia settings for it
worn ember
is mc still more cpu intensive than gpu? or has that shifted over the years? i dont play enough vanilla to know really
neat smelt
both
worn ember
minecraft benchmark mod when
pulsar fox
But you certainly don't need a 2080Ti to run it or anything
lament patio
If you put your graphics on "fabulous", it gets extremely gpu intensive
pulsar fox
unnecessarily with almost no visual benefit lol
neat smelt
but with some benefit
worn ember
eh seems like its still mostly CPU
neat smelt
yep
lament patio
On fabulous?
pulsar fox
Fabulous just affects particle z-depth overlays by using shaders, so it really only fixes visual "glitches" doesn't make the game et al look any better
neat smelt
minecraft just runs like shit
smoky python
👀
worn ember
then it goes up to 30% lul
i dont get any crazy framerates, around 100
but it stays rather consistent
oh vsync was on lol
now i'm up to 140 with everything maxed out, fair enough
waxen panther
e
smoky python
F
worn ember
yeah
and it was a pain to use
"For versions before 0.96.1.11 you will have to use the Github Packages which has a fair bit more setup required:"
finite wave
Isn’t maven central free?
finite wave
People too lazy to apply?
unreal quarry
I've suggested everyone publish to central a million times, but I always catch beef for saying it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
worn ember
you shouldnt publish spigot plugins on maven central tho
potent fossil
spigot plugin APIs are fine there
worn ember
i mean its in their guidelines to not put api dependant stuff on there
potent fossil
you dont publish implementations on maven anyway, so of course you wouldn't put a plugin itself there
idk, they let me do it
potent fossil
oookay
finite wave
Meh
smoky python
jitpack is that thing that gets everything from github
worn ember
towny plz
worn ember
its a game obviously /s
twin lagoon
it's not even a good site use 1337x, rarbg for movies
worn ember
i dont really use it either
smoky python
jitpack ?
worn ember
more like shitpack amirite
smoky python
I am hella confused now
worn ember
twin lagoon
nick you are the definition of a bruh moment
smoky python
LFMAO
smoky python
Cats are cuter tho
vernal moth
The sounds tho
smoky python
They sounds like minions
smoky python
What does CDFN stands for?
spice finch
long history
cedar spade
Content Delivery Flippin' Network
smoky python
Oh smart
potent fossil
how is base paper different from vanilla? (is spigot different from vanilla?)
just trying to be edumucated
in terms of gameplay that is
obviously they're different
golden gust
implying we have a list
potent fossil
just throw me like 3 things im trying to tell someone else
golden gust
implying anybody who cares cares to put the effort in to make a list
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so long as you don't care about dupes and bugs fixed, there is essentially no difference whatsoever
unreal quarry
there is a list, over on the forums
smoky python
Doesn't paper handle mob spawning differently?
potent fossil
paper or spigot forums
smoky python
or is it also a vanilla thing
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mob spawning too yeah, but in no way that really notably differs from vanilla gameplay afaik
potent fossil
i mean, the question is if someone who plays vanilla and does vanilla xp farming (aka, those ppl who stream on twitch doing SP runs and stuff) would notice paper if it had no plugins (they want it just for performance)
potent fossil
yeah :p
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well
a streamer could probably notice shit like mob spawning being different, in that it spawns a lot more on default settings if you're 2+ people
potent fossil
obv then, that precludes doing the optimization guide bc those are game breaking
for them
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there's nothing that really notably changes tho afaik?
potent fossil
but aikar's flags + base paper should be better than just vanilla jar
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i mean, paper patches dupes & exploits that might be nice for streamers (nothing that can't be modified tho)
proven lily
what is the true limit for height ?
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and introduces a bug (disable the no perm block exploit fix and it's working like usual again) where movable blocks cannot be broken which breaks ilmango's huge tnt thing
spice finch
wdym rumdum
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Y 255
spice finch
it is 255 then
proven lily
its not changeable right ?
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you can reduce it, not increase it (without mods)
proven lily
ah ok
smoky python
Soon people be like; Why do I have 20 fps in my server while my server has 6gb ram?
viral hornet
LOL
tawny junco
every day after work i come back to being like 10 builds behind lol
ya'll are working hard
pulsar fox
bruh, his reply to the auto updater
script with like 6 depends for something that can be done entirely in bash
(ok maybe wget/curl and jq)
stiff yarrow
a complete list of paper features would be nice but who could be bothered to maintain the list
quasi valley
should be easy to maintain once it's actually written with all of the current bits
pulsar fox
The smart thing would be use a standardized way of noting feature additions/changes in the patch notes and then parsing them
spice finch
parsing them where?
quasi valley
uhm yeah, I uh, forgot something in the oven...