whoa now, @serene bolt
#general
cunning raft
he also has no interest in helping paper update fast lmao
chrome fulcrum
I totally understand the not releasing server changes. (also not agreeing). But obviously doesn't publish only Bukkit. Because that would mean involving others in API decisions
celest coyote
Expecting the minecraft community to know how to compile a git repo
Did you not see the last dupefix thread
warm anchor
half of them cant even read
chrome fulcrum
^
round cedar
sharp sentinel
Spigot itself is also useless without CraftBukkit/Bukkit
polar sonnet
waxen panther
I hate troublemakers, as a well behaved citizen I don't know what it's like to be kicked.
cunning raft
stuff i found in leaked 1.16 spigot commits
- DedicatedPlayerList requires world nbt storage
- https://i.imgur.com/KqlTTao.png
- MinecraftServer no longer implements Runnable (
runmethod "exists") - WorldServer now implements GeneratorAccessSeed
- EntityLightning -> EntityComplexPart (?)
- CraftPlayer/EntityPlayer has a getWorldServer helper method rather than going thru MinecraftServer
- EntityArrow no longer extends Entity
- https://i.imgur.com/5LjKQEK.png
- PacketPlayOutChat now takes in a UUID
- There is a mapping for MinecraftServer#getDataFixer
- WorldGen[Name] classes are gone (i think) most likely due to the new puzzle gen stuff that structures have now
^^ New StructureManager class (NMS) which prob handles all this
https://i.imgur.com/z6xBRIV.png
not much
just the interesting stuff that's there
sharp sentinel
I mean Fabric etc do exist and make decompiling snapshots easy
fallen oracle
That arrow might cause some issues.
blazing nebula
yeah i wonder why
sharp sentinel
But yeah, the arrow one is a bit odd 🤔
Inb4 they're turning projectiles into particles or something
fallen oracle
Why the lightning change? That might cause some issues too.
blazing nebula
that is the only thing that stuck out, and entityLightning becoming a ComplexPart
damn me and glare had same thoughts
cunning raft
Why the lightning change? That might cause some issues too.
no clear idea why
waxen panther
EntityArrow no longer extends entity wtf?
golden gust
golden gust
Well, am looking at yarn mappings, issue is that EntityArrow in nms more become EntityProjectile and subclasses out
blazing nebula
Trident is an arrow
pulsar wigeon
trident has been an arrow
blazing nebula
not saying it's new
chrome fulcrum
but should it
pulsar wigeon
or at least, an abstractarrow
chrome fulcrum
(I know that's how mojang has it)
blazing nebula
Trident feels like a projectile, not really an arrow but idk, feels like it would cause logical issues in cases if you check if a projectile is an arrow. It also shares like no functionality with an arrow
cosmic raft
read that more carefully, people
cosmic raft
yes
cunning raft
so Entity could be down the inheritance line?
golden gust
Yes
cosmic raft
Used to be an interface, so it has the I prefix
golden gust
IProj is basically no longer an interface ^^
pulsar wigeon
c# naming 
pulsar wigeon
but muh compatability
golden gust
actually maintaining mappings
pulsar wigeon
in nms version-packages names!!!!!!
waxen panther
void void
cunning raft
rip the commits are gone
serene bolt
cunning raft
smh snitch
chrome fulcrum
There wasn't anything that special in them.
cunning raft
well yeah
iron zephyr
Alright. I feel dumb, need help with a plugin, and it doesn't have a discord channel or any support. Is anyone here willing to see if they are smarter than me?
Basically, I am using BossShopPro, with the PlayerShops GUI addon installed. In the configuration, it allows players to "rent" the top spot for their shop for a certain amount of time
Here's what it looks like. I have no idea what the 606024*30 means, or how it actually translates to real time
I've been playing with it for like 30 minutes now, and I think I'm just stupid
slender jay
iron zephyr
But when, by default, the player rents a top spot (once) it rents in factors of 4 weeks. So the first rental is 4 weeks, then 8 weeks, then 16, etc.
I don't see how that translates to what you said wizjany. Sorry if I'm just not getting it!
That's my confusion
pulsar wigeon
i have literally no fucking clue what the plugin is or does
lament patio
.wa 60 seconds * 60 minutes * 24 hours * 30 days
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Result: 288 h^4 (hours to the fourth) - https://is.gd/zj1mPU
pulsar wigeon
i'm just saying that the obvious interpretation of 60*60*24*30 is 30 days
you're not supposed to multiply the units kyle smh
warm anchor
You should look for an up-to-date one anyway. that plug in has been abandoned since 1.13
iron zephyr
Ah kk, I think I’m getting it. That would be about 4 weeks
pulsar wigeon
i mean 4 weeks would be 28 days but yes, about
iron zephyr
Ty ty
static badge
ah yes
iron zephyr
That seems like the dumbest way to make a CONFIG
pulsar wigeon
why
static badge
yeah it is
iron zephyr
But I’m eternally grateful
lament patio
It's just math
pulsar wigeon
would you rather math out the seconds?
static badge
imagine not just using suffixes
pulsar wigeon
.wa 606024*30
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Result: 18180720 - Scientific notation: 1.818072 × 10^7 - https://is.gd/2kJPbl
pulsar wigeon
oh that doesn't translate to irc either
whatever
point is if you put a number of seconds there it's completely illegible
iron zephyr
I mean, it just seems overly complicated
pulsar wigeon
if you put the math it's rather obvious what it means imo
slender jay
iron zephyr
Couldn't they just do a single value?
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mfw plugin devs
pulsar wigeon
ah yes, multiplication is complicated
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fucking
iron zephyr
Like "number of hours" or something
slender jay
that is exactly 30 days
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"1h"
iron zephyr
I mean, I got an arts degree so I wouldn't have to do math xD
pulsar wigeon
if you make it "number of hours" then you can't put any less than an hour
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"1s"
iron zephyr
well, I suppose so
static badge
nobody wants to do fucking multiplication in their configs
what a dumb fucking way to do configs
slender jay
2592000 is burned into my mind from the pex timed permissions era
iron zephyr
I'm glad spotted leaf is in my corner
pulsar wigeon
leaf does have a point that "2w 3d 12hr 30min" is more understandable than 60 * 60 * 24 * 17.5
but in the end it's math anyway
static badge
wiz just wanted to call you an idiot
warm anchor
that's the hard part 
static badge
he actually knows better :>
pulsar wigeon
it's literally only simpler if you have a very simple input like "30d"
sharp sentinel
Having math in the config means your code needs to parse math lol
That sounds like a pain
slender jay
60 60 24 30 is easy to deal with
iron zephyr
No, I'm certainly the idiot here
I'm still not sure I understand what anyone is saying
chrome fulcrum
If people just learned unit conversions. ...
waxen panther
hello city
iron zephyr
But I think it is a weird config all the same
sharp sentinel
Just use the ISO standard and make it be time since 1970 :^)
heady spear
Math in configs is noob level stuff. P2 has JavaScript support for price configurations, now that’s how u do it
pulsar wigeon
like what if one person writes "30d" and another writes "30 days" and another writes "1 month (except februaries and shit)"
iron zephyr
Wiz, if you don't mind me asking about this outdated plugin
if I want to make it 3 days
pulsar wigeon
i do
warm anchor
LOL
iron zephyr
I respect that
pulsar wigeon
i already told you i dont give a shit about the plugin
sharp sentinel
Do you understand arithmetic
slender jay
lets say you want 5 days 6 hours 34 minutes and 15 seconds it would be 15*34*6*5
pulsar wigeon
was literally just pointing out the obvious math
iron zephyr
I prefaced this with "I don't know what to do, I'm stupid, and I don't know where to turn for help
😆
warm anchor
just try your setting and wait for 3 days to see if it update? 
pulsar wigeon
sharp sentinel
You joke but that's what I'm doing with a deploy pipeline I'm writing for work
warm anchor
sharp sentinel
To test if a release cut works, wait for the release cut time
warm anchor
gl to you
iron zephyr
Ty to all
cosmic raft
~limbo uptime
void void
Uptime: 2 days, 3 hours, 32 minutes, 59 seconds
pulsar wigeon
just force push to master
sharp sentinel
I blame GH Actions for not supporting manual triggering of tasks
pulsar wigeon
only release pipeline needed
chrome fulcrum
Arguably. The config is flawed by not specifying what the units are in. But we assume it is in seconds.
limber knotBOT
it's a record!
pulsar wigeon
sorry
force push to main*
i mean it's pretty clear it's in seconds given the math yknow.
sharp sentinel
Nah it's clearly metric seconds and refers to a completely esoteric time period 😛
chrome fulcrum
To: Seconds
waxen panther
science
pulsar wigeon
ah yes, 60 metric seconds * 60 australian half-moons * 24 fortnights * 30 babylonian minutes
iron zephyr
I have tested it out
pulsar wigeon
my favorite units of time
chrome fulcrum
I think you need to go back to Elementary school to learn time
slender jay
why the calcuator you just take 14d16h30m50s and write them backwards
iron zephyr
And divide the Babylonian minutes by Egyptian sunstrokes
sharp sentinel
Nah it's actually 24 fortnites, a similar measure of time that refers to the average length of a fortnite game
iron zephyr
then will I get three weeks?
vestal jasper
I only support Kelvin in my configs ty
pulsar wigeon
rankine or bust
vestal jasper
Ok I lied I also support MS until the inevitable heat death of the universe
heady spear
Vic have u checked IS
vestal jasper
No
heady spear
Some dude is saying that PlotSquared being premium is a gross perversion
static badge
is vic a mod there
sharp sentinel
a gross perversion of what
heady spear
And that it’s unfair to zachbora because he made plotme
vestal jasper
I don't visit IS lol who does
heady spear
Which makes no sense but ok
vestal jasper
I used to be, leaf
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kek how was moderating
heady spear
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moderating gives me cancer
sharp sentinel
oh lol
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you know wiz
you give me the most moderation problems
how many people have I banned for pinging you
pulsar wigeon
heady spear
PlotSquared was a plotme fork for 6 days then I decided to start fresh
static badge
vs how many people did some other shit
chrome fulcrum
This seems fitting for the Richard Stallman talk earlier
waxen panther
moderators are gross
heady spear
Calling it plotme derivative is hardly true lol
vestal jasper
I hated it @static badge
static badge
kek
heady spear
MisterFix was also an IS moderator
I don’t ban ppl for having stupid opinions
Then the server would have 1 member
pulsar wigeon
i wonder how many IS (ex-)mods/admins are banned from paper now 
vestal jasper
I'm fine moderating I just hate moderating city's users
heady spear
Nope, I gave up ownership and I have loads of dumb opinions
I’d get kicked quite early if we purged idiots
Let’s be real
waxen panther
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fast async world corruptor (tm)
heady spear
We no violate gpl but okz
Hell we are one of the few orgs in the community that don’t lmao
heady spear
Meh stupid drama
I created that dumb org
I don’t actually
It’s tiring
I’m just too dumb to stay away from it
waxen panther
hmm
heady spear
It follows me everywhere
sharp sentinel
People keep saying FAWE has much better brushes but never say why FAWE has much better brushes 👀
Like I get that people want VS's erode brush, but FAWE doesn't have FAVS anymore do they?
static badge
just copy fawe features 
sharp sentinel
I generally don't like copying features - but if people tell us what the pain points are I'm happy to add features to resolve those pain points
Looking at the brushes doesn't tell me why they're better though - just shows me a list of brushes
Fair, a blend brush is on our roadmap anyway
As smooth is a mathematical smooth to 0
A lot of people were complaining about stair placement in WE, so I made a tool to resolve it - https://gfycat.com/faithfulhardtofinddingo
But yeah fair
I'd rather be told problems than be told solutions tbh
But yeah a proper blend brush is defs on the roadmap
Thanks
pulsar wigeon
i mean, directional smooth brush would be an alternative but it's really not the same at the core
generally that's what people ask for tho
heady spear
FAWE also adds extra pattern, those are more important than the brushes imo
sharp sentinel
A pattern rework is also on the roadmap to make them have a much stricter grammar etc
But from memory FAWE's patterns were a bit weird and pulled in extra data?
sharp sentinel
Noise gen wouldn't need extra data tho right? Just pos?
heady spear
Dunno what the extra data would be
Not super familiar with the internals of patterns in general lol
sharp sentinel
I remember looking into some of those patterns ages back but found it worked super differently
heady spear
I just remember being super annoyed when we added patterns to PlotSquared world gen
Because WE and FAWE worked differently
serene bolt
I personally prefer AWE to FAWE, but FAWE is faster and of course people want fast no matter the cost
heady spear
Is #clipboard a FAWE one?
sharp sentinel
#clipboard is WE
heady spear
Nice nice
sharp sentinel
Also the FAWE docs claim a lot of features as FAWE features when they're not lol
That always weirded me out
heady spear
Tbh it would have been cooler had Jesse just prd the extra stuff upstream
But that’s not how he worked lol
sharp sentinel
also his PRs were generally rejected due to having too many issues
heady spear
It’s just annoying that the plugins have different feature sets
Internally too lol
He wouldn’t even adhere to our standards
pulsar wigeon
yea he pr'd a bunch of random stuff that just ended up being broken
heady spear
In many cases I was okay with it but some stuff has major security flaws
Like randomly being able to pull resources from remote sources
pulsar wigeon
like straight up would error when running the command broken
heady spear
Also pushing broken shit to master without testing
pulsar wigeon
yeaaaa
heady spear
He broke our world gen and no one knew for half a year :)))
heady spear
Spigot is special
Well yes but he moved a lot of ps logic over to FAWE
Because he wanted to force the entity community over to FAWE
The first thing I did when I came back was to drop special support for FAWE and make WE a hard dependency 😉
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kek fawe
sharp sentinel
Yeah idk why some plugins use the FAWE API explicitly
heady spear
Because it doesn’t (or at the least) didn’t fully implement the WE api
So you had to
waxen panther
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why is fawe such a shitfest
heady spear
More annoying than that, FAWE then overrides PlotSquared classes
So when people run FAWE I need to debug two plugins
Dunno the rationale behind that
heady spear
@waxen panther late check in today, was fucking hard to get out of bed
heady spear
I feel like I’m about to fall asleep in a corner
This is awful lol
I’m just gonna pretend that I’m active and leave early
grand cloak
slender lichen
west coyote
toxic ember
outer tinsel
void void
foggy heron
lyric basin
void void
oh boy the k8s auth 😩
i got client cert auth working ok
but seems like it wasn't that easy
damn overcomplicated clusterfuck
quasi valley
@vernal moth plz fix meta finding on uploading 🐳 / what exactly does it do atm anyways
also, is any of the optional profile info actually displayed anywhere? 
cedar nova
terse marsh
vernal moth
@quasi valley it currently tries to find a plugin.yml to extract info
Like name, version, website, description, API version etc
Not sure about the optional profile fields
They are part of spongeauth not ore
So God knows, maybe forum?
quasi valley
doesn't work with this apparently https://i.imgur.com/wtggm8r.png, plugin.yml is contained in the jar as usual
vernal moth
I'll have to try and look again
I noticed that the paper tag in the resource list for essx is gone
But it's still in the versions list
quasi valley
heh
terse marsh
folks, should I use FAWE or WorldEdit?
till now I've used WorldEdit but everybody says FAWE is faster/better
finite wave
Hah
quasi valley
faster yes, better is debatable 👀
finite wave
@pulsar wigeon What do you think?
terse marsh
well, I just want to use basic stuff like...deleting/creating/rotating/moving
quasi valley
then stick with WE
quasi valley
yes
terse marsh
ok, then I'll stick with WE and WorldGuard
sharp sentinel
I do worldedits of 100 million blocks pretty frequently on my test server
But on a production server you’ll likely have other plugins slowing it down significantly, which WE 7.2 can help with
terse marsh
for a PVP arena what's the best choice?
sharp sentinel
WorldEdit generally always
willow crane
terse marsh
WorldEdit generally always
@sharp sentinel for PVP?
quasi valley
generally always
sharp sentinel
I don’t see how worldedit is used during PvP but yes?
terse marsh
well, I need a arena entry point, selector and fight area. can I do this with WE and WG?
sharp sentinel
Now I straight up just don’t understand what the question is
Do you mean building it?
terse marsh
no, setting it
like...you go to an arena, select your "character" and then go and fight 🙂
sharp sentinel
If it’s not relating to building it, WE is irrelevant
WorldEdit does not provide character selection, no?
terse marsh
yeah, that's why I've asked 🙂 it was another subject
finite wave
It doesnt?
terse marsh
like...I understood your reply about WE so I moved to another subject: PvP arena 😛
finite wave
What, dang i guess i gotta find another character selection plugin then
terse marsh
soooo...what plugin do you recommend for this (PvP arena)?
finite wave
Idk, google it
quasi valley
.g spigot pvp arena plugin
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/pvp-arena.16584/ -- PVP Arena | SpigotMC - High Performance Minecraft: "Enhancing PVP experience with PVP and multi-games arenas. ... Generally speaking, most goals are part of the base plugin and you should be ..."
terse marsh
yeah, I'm using that already, I was just wondering if you know something better
but I guess I'll stick with that
neeext
I just started Paper with WE, WG and Multiverse, here's the WARNs I'm getting:
[10:40:14 WARN]: [Multiverse-Portals] Loaded class com.sk89q.worldedit.IncompleteRegionException from WorldEdit v7.1.0;8e55131 which is not a depend, softdepend or loadbefore of this plugin.```I get that on Craft and Spigot as well... :\
should I get "worried" or just ignore?
void void
ignore
if you read further then plugin even logs a message about it
that you should ignore it because there aren't any alternatives
minor badge
@void void dumdum
void void
no u
minor badge
😠
minor badge
you, for coming here
finite wave
How are you going to leave your country
vernal moth
Aren't EU borders open?
quasi valley
EU™️
vernal moth
And Norway is EU lite anyways
lyric basin
For a very basic hub server where I want to use as little resources as possible, would you recommend Paper 1.8 with ViaVersion or 1.15.2 with ViaRewind? Or something else?
finite wave
Oh well, flights are not ;/
lyric basin
Any reason why if the performance for 1.15 is not as good?
finite wave
mojang
quasi valley
mostly chunk saving/loading, but that's mostly done for with Paper. else entities
lyric basin
wdym?
Would that matter for a hub server where everything is expected to be loaded at all times?
vernal moth
Paper fixed a heap ton of issues around performance
quasi valley
should be perfectly fine for a lobby
lyric basin
I'm planning on using paper regardless, I'm just wondering which version would perform the best for a hub
vernal moth
A hub server doesn't use much resources anyways, no chunks, no entities, not much tiles, etc
lyric basin
So paper 1.15 would be a good choice for that?
finite wave
Paper is a good choice for anything
lyric basin
I know that. I'm just wondering which version of paper runs the best
void void
latest
lyric basin
Ok, thanks
finite wave
?
vestal jasper
finite wave
Oh i see
ashen cliff
Well there are some Spigot issues that Paper fixes.
quasi valley
tbf I can see some people associating spigot with paper, not even knowing there's a less good version of paper lol
vernal moth
There's a new generation of server owners growing up, without knowing what craftbukkit is/was
And that oldest mc devs started that software
potent fossil
ashen cliff
It's better for them not to know what CraftBukkit is.
There are still people trying to run it on 1.15.
quasi valley
waow 😂
ashen cliff
Anime
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you're welcome simple
quasi valley
oh pimple, a man of culture I see
minor badge
@quasi valley just change the volume in ur OS settings
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depends on the os?
quasi valley
windum
minor badge
.g windows set microphone volume
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://support.shadowhealth.com/hc/en-us/articles/360007282013-Change-microphone-volume-Windows-10- -- Change microphone volume (Windows 10) – Shadow Health Help...: "May 23, 2020 ... This will pull up the Microphone Properties window. Click the Levels Tab and you will then be able to adjust your microphone volume..."
minor badge
sure you are :')
ashen cliff
Applications can overwrite the setting.
So most just set it to 100% LOOKING AT YOU CS:GO.
quasi valley
:(
minor badge
sounds like a windows problem i'm too linux to understand
potent fossil
^
quasi valley
sounds like you just use sane software on your os
pretty sure software will be able to change your mic volume on linux as well lol
minor badge
not if you don't give it access to the audio group
quasi valley
what if it still needs to use audio
ashen cliff
Make a pipe and fool it.
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pipe it 
quasi valley
rip windows
ashen cliff
Virtual Audio cable.
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that's what i've set pulse up to do, pipes 100% volume locked into alsa
which is that in recent builds of Paper specifically, chunks are rapidly loading and unloading - i don't understand how other people are running into problems like this, then it works like expected for me when i attempt it
vestal jasper
My car is parked crooked. It wasn't crooked when I parked it..
minor badge
enjoy the price tag
potent fossil
some absolute beast lifted it up and moved it
vestal jasper
There's scuff marks on the left corner
Some cunt ran into it, pushed it, and drove off like it was nothing
minor badge
if you're lucky, some business might have CCTV you can ask nicely to look at
potent fossil
it was me
vestal jasper
Nope. Apartment complex doesn't there.
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f
quasi valley
there's some really nice people out there indeed
quasi valley
my father used 2 of such little scratch incidents to steal stickers from me and slap them onto his old car 😂
ashen cliff
Could always be worse:
30km/h zone, we stopped at a stop sign, looked left and right, on both ways your view is blocked by trashcans, slowly pull out, a old man nukes our car by driving 70.
quasi valley
hope he got according punishment?
ashen cliff
Well. The police originally blamed us, then they looked at the tire tracks, took them 2 hours before they finally said that he was speeding.
Of course the old man didn't have insurance, but out insurance was chill and repaired it for free, since it was only 200€ worth of damage.
But holy fuck, our license plate hit his back tire and shoot into his trunk.
static glen
sharp sentinel
Big yikes
static glen
O.o
finite wave
Even the users helping on spigot are braindead
potent fossil
wot
turbid sphinx
potent fossil
like what i do with mcbanners?
turbid sphinx
potent fossil
no, but you can draw a graph the same way i draw an image
same technology in java
olive marlin
Bstats custom graph?
Or do you want it available per install (i.e. Like luck perms editor / timings).
azure cloak
potent fossil
i see what you mean now
you want to add a panel to your plugin
as long as its secure, nothing i guess
minor badge
it all depends on what you need to do with it tbh
worn ember
potent fossil
i mean, just ensure that your plugin wont accept a WS conn from literally anybody
bc i dont think a server owner would appreciate that
the session needs to be authenticated
if u do that, fine
sure
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@potent fossil sexc
potent fossil
no u
minor badge
i don't see why jan bothers with helping in the spigot discord
they all lack brains and it's just infuriating
you're one of them
quasi valley
yes
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not really, no
quasi valley
you are indeed 1% less dumb
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he made bible plugin without biblethump, @quasi valley
void void
finite wave
Hello is 1.16 out?
quasi valley
can we ban jan
finite wave
😭
vestal jasper
https://youtu.be/rf_Go9eLaAM @void void
void void
vestal jasper
Ok minimod
quasi valley
ur a meme as well
vestal jasper
quasi valley
general should be renamed to #bully-viper-channel
quasi valley
how about removing that thing in the foreground and only keeping the background 🚮
why not
vestal jasper
For our sanity
finite wave
What, not furry?
peak dirge
why would you develop a plugin that shows the bible in minecraft u furry
quasi valley
^lol
vestal jasper
Wouldn't being a furry be considered a crime against god / whatever deity
potent fossil
roger Jan dispatching buddhist extremists
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@waxen panther snowpiercer ep6 is out 
void void
smh
finite wave
no
void void
viper watches anime
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one which for once is really well made
void void
closest to anime i watch is futurama every once in a while
vestal jasper
It's also a movie
fleet ether
heady spear
protein ice cream is awful but if you pretend to like it, it almost tastes like real ice cream
I should stop depraving myself of happiness :<
minor badge
you're my happiness city xoxo
heady spear
ok but out of u and protein ice cream I'll choose the latter
vestal jasper
City help me
vestal jasper
This 1.8 user
heady spear
no ty
vestal jasper
Too bad
limber knotBOT
oh wow, listening to every single packet, ingoing and outgoing, and calling getClass.getSimpleName for every single one https://github.com/Elikill58/Negativity/blob/master/src/com/elikill58/negativity/spigot/packets/protocollib/ProtocollibPacketManager.java
quasi valley
lol nice
limber knotBOT
anticheats in a nutshell
potent fossil
the fuck is the point in that
potent fossil
fucking hell lol
foggy elbow
paper : do not pushed updates for some days
also paper :
limber knotBOT
ppl work on stuff whenever they have time
unreal quarry
i'll take "what is weekend", for $200, alex
limber knotBOT
those were just PRs
heady spear
y r devs lazy and don't work full time
i need consistent updates for my server
so I don't get why you can't just work on it every day
limber knotBOT
I can provide an consistent feed of bugs for your server
unreal quarry
i remember last year people complains about daily updates. like for real were mad
void void
heady spear
nty mini i already use minimessage
foggy elbow
Daily update are better than 1 big update every month
limber knotBOT
you shouldnt daily update your server
foggy elbow
currently paper's work is really great, every day they fix or add something
limber knotBOT
you are supposed to have a staging server for that
foggy elbow
I update it when I see a good update, or every week
heady spear
dats how u get broken server
finite wave
foggy elbow
I'm running paper 354
quasi valley
just don't update and stay on 1.8!
heady spear
my paper build is 3 months old :3
quasi valley
hell yea
finite wave
Stay on PaperSpigot 1.7
quasi valley
the redstone update event will sure be fun
foggy elbow
Still in paper 1.14.0 build 1
limber knotBOT
also, city will enjoy this https://github.com/SpigotMC/SpigotCraft/issues/500
foggy elbow
I like it 
heady spear
i hate updating bcuz i have to remove loads of patches n shit
limber knotBOT
I guess those are the multiverse changes he wouldnt tell you about city?
heady spear
yeah if spigot breaks multiworld support ill just not update for half a year
plotsquared and hyperverse will both break
if he doesn't fix that shit :]]
limber knotBOT
one day left, no pressure :D
heady spear
Ima release my plugins but I'll tell ppl to wait at least a month before updating
initial releases are always super broken
twin lagoon
did spigotcraft ranks get reset?
limber knotBOT
wouldnt be
heady spear
altho hopefully 1.16 is incompatible with v4 of plotsquared so ppl have to buy the premium version 👀
limber knotBOT
I mean
heady spear
hah ur a filthy default
limber knotBOT
could always add something to v4 you know that will break
unreal quarry
looks at his psv5 he didnt buy
limber knotBOT
pull an apple
foggy elbow
McMMO is already ready for 1.16, but 1.16 come out tomorrow ahah
the dev is pretty fast
heady spear
I mean Billy I wouldn't want you to buy it either, you're a Notable after all 😛
quasi valley
you can't be ready for 1.16 spigot api
foggy elbow
he added all new blocks to Mcmmo, but yeah it will need more testing
limber knotBOT
stuff like Via is an exception to this
heady spear
I hope WE takes a while to update
then I can blame WE for not releasing PSv5 for 1.16<3
unreal quarry
btw, ya'll latest updates break the dynmap hook. i had to go in and update that myself. damn PS api changes 😛
limber knotBOT
didnt me say he prepared everything for 1.16?
heady spear
ah lol expected, anything u wanna PR?
heady spear
Ye their fabric version is updated
limber knotBOT
which means core is ready too
quasi valley
probably everything™️
heady spear
well knowing md_5 he probably broke a lot of stuff that mojang didn't even touch
because it's more fun that way
limber knotBOT
I for one cant wait to cause world corruption
quasi valley
and fully borken redstone
heady spear
ew the new loading screen is horrendous
foggy elbow
optifine : bruh we didn't even release an official version for 1.15```logo is great, glowing red rather eeeeeeh
twin lagoon
and fully borken redstone
now this is the most exciting part
fucking finally broken farms & redstone
i couldn't have been happier
quasi valley
lol
heady spear
This'd mean a new community split lol
ashen cliff
People still use 1.9 servers, because they can't read the ViaVersion page.
quasi valley
sometimes legit have people instantly update to 1.15 when we say "sorry that features isn't available on older servers"
polar sonnet
fuk u viper
ashen cliff
How do you even function?
https://posili.me/i/2020-06-22_13-20-41.png
ashen cliff
Good job.
ashen cliff
As always.
quasi valley
messages are also sent delayed for me
twin lagoon
discord is having a small outage in EU rn
heady spear
u only need to pay for it 1/10 of a month because the rest of the time the servers r down
polar sonnet
i got u bro
minor badge
if you write it in a sane language, you don't need any good VPS, viper
a decently sized bot in rust or go should be able to run fine on one of those 256mb memory 1vcore servers you can get for $10/yr
cunning raft
Or you know
You could get a raspberry pi
Run it on your house
Perfect no need to pay for anything
Use that
Because discord bots don't need port forwarding or whatever
minor badge
technically you can write it in C yes
but yeah, an rpi would be fine
yes
it opens and maintains a websocket connection
unreal quarry
until discord does discord things [05:08:40 WARN] [net.dv8tion.jda.core.requests.WebSocketClient]: Got disconnected from WebSocket. Attempting to resume session
no
minor badge
you most likely can't
finite wave
C compiles to assembly you idiot
unreal quarry
i havent seen a discord lib thats < 5mb
finite wave
Yeah, we have no need to optimize it better
ashen cliff
That's because you can't fit all the shit Discord throws at you under 5MB.
minor badge
just get a cheap ass VPS
twin lagoon
viper you already have one
minor badge
depending on the size of it, i can probably just host it for you
potent fossil
proxi too nice
minor badge
i have 18gb free memory and the only cpu it ever uses is for drone & music transcoding
finite wave
Meh, i don’t see any appeal in C when we have Rust now
minor badge
unsafe unsafe unsafe unsafe unsafe
there are certain things which just require unsafe code, where C might just be easier
minor badge
certain things C macros could do well, e.g. list types, is handled through generics & monomorphisation
twin lagoon
though last time i hosted drone it was a pain to use
minor badge
drone is easy as shit to use now, michael
drone-server:
image: drone/drone:1
container_name: drone-server
volumes:
- /srv/docker/drone/server-data/:/data
environment:
- DRONE_GITHUB_CLIENT_ID=lol
- DRONE_GITHUB_CLIENT_SECRET=lol
- DRONE_RPC_SECRET=lol
- DRONE_SERVER_HOST=drone.proximyst.com
- DRONE_SERVER_PROTO=https
- DRONE_USER_CREATE=username:proximyst,admin:true
restart: unless-stopped
networks:
- composed
drone-runner-1:
image: drone/drone-runner-docker:1
container_name: drone-runner-1
volumes:
- /var/run/docker.sock:/var/run/docker.sock
environment:
- DRONE_RPC_SECRET=lol
- DRONE_RPC_HOST=drone.proximyst.com
- DRONE_RPC_PROTO=https
- DRONE_RUNNER_CAPACITY=3
- DRONE_RUNNER_NAME=docker-runner-1
restart: unless-stopped
depends_on:
- drone-server
networks:
- composed
set up nginx reverse proxy, then it's done
finite wave
minor badge
don't do that, at some point you might change it to not use 100% controlled values
twin lagoon
minor badge
always prepare to be stupid
finite wave
Funsies
potent fossil
oh yikes
quick pasture
hi michael
ember dagger
minor badge
oh yikes it's simple
potent fossil
shut up stanky
twin lagoon
hi frank
grizzled tulip
twin lagoon
haha funny secks numbr
finite wave
Secks?
minor badge
sekzee
quasi valley
I have all the hahas right now
minor badge
warp > rocket smh
potent fossil
👀
minor badge
warp also compiles on stable rust
potent fossil
rocket has a better website tho
minor badge
hmmmm
quick pasture
potent fossil
it what m8
minor badge
look at the amount of pages in its guide lol
potent fossil
just means its well documented
potent fossil
i prefer overdocumentation rather than underdocumentation, that's for certain
minor badge
also warp is made by sean-chan
potent fossil
who the fuck is that
minor badge
seanmonstar?
potent fossil
is that supposed to ring a bell
potent fossil
well i dont even use rust so
minor badge
br uh.
potent fossil
fuck sean monstar
potent fossil
no u
potent fossil
i dont need to pretend
minor badge
wanna kiss city xxxx
heady spear
ok nvm
quasi valley
hey city I like your... your... nose
quasi valley
it's pretty cute ngl
quasi valley
oh wow
heady spear
irony is that the girl that called me falcon was named Cassandra Öhrn, and "örn" is Swedish for eagle
and her nose was longer than mine
wide chasm
Just should've "no u"-ed her
unreal quarry
or, use it as common ground to hook up
quasi valley
wanna peek your beak into mine?
quasi valley
lmao
left swift
Is common ground a new survival game coming out?
potent fossil
what are you not getting
quasi valley
wat
potent fossil
16/4*4 = 4*4 = 16
um, ok discord
anyway, it's not following the order of operations
quasi valley
use code formatting
potent fossil
wrap it in parentheses
quasi valley
viper you fuk you didn't define a method, but a literal replacement
limber knotBOT
you are doing (16/4)4, you need to do 16/(44)
mortal root
quasi valley
just throw it into a method like a normal human being
potent fossil
yea, that macro is literally just expanding syntax, its not calculating the result
finite wave
C has a dedicated pow operator?
limber knotBOT
I don't know, that's why I'm asking :P
ah, it's a bitwise XOR in C
also just use pow(x, i) lol
quasi valley
same for java isnt it?
finite wave
Prolly
quasi valley
C is ugly, and I haven't even messed with a lot of allocation yet
wide chasm
I have nightmares from malloc and free.
limber knotBOT
finite wave
ipow dpow
limber knotBOT
best language: https://rosettacode.org/wiki/Basic_integer_arithmetic#Chef
quasi valley
nah man, https://www.emojicode.org/
limber knotBOT
eww
leaden wyvern
limber knotBOT
interestingly only Perl (**), D (^^), FreeBASIC (^), PARI/GP (^) and ZX (^) have an inbuilt short operator
minor badge
pythonk?
void void
limber knotBOT
oh, right it has ** too
finite wave
Scala has one too iirc and doesn’t kotlin too?
limber knotBOT
"Kotlin does not have a dedicated exponentiation operator"
finite wave
Oh i see
limber knotBOT
Seed7 also does seem to have a by default overloaded ** function
finite wave
I think scala allows you to implement operators tho
limber knotBOT
same for TCL, that site just sucks for searchign I guess
lots of languages let you add additional functions ¯_(ツ)_/¯
minor badge
yeah you can use implicit classes and it'll work
void void
quasi valley
💯
finite wave
C is messy
C++ is also messy
They are old and features keeps getting slammed on top of legacy features
minor badge
void*(*(*viper)(void)) is this pretty, @still smelt
quasi valley
maybe that's just viper's kink?
finite wave
Yes
minor badge
you're my kink kenny ;)
finite wave
Why this no wooork halp
minor badge
ok explain what it does
quasi valley
u.u
minor badge
that's the variable name
a proper example would be ```c
void*(*(*viper)(void)) = x;
no
smh
C is all just a mess
unreal quarry
I just use sort()
quasi valley
lmao
static badge
mfw
minor badge
or in a modern language like rust, first_element.cmp(second_element)
it's fine to be scared of segfault-free code, but don't dismiss it right away :)
rust is a systems programming language, so yes, you quite literally can
limber knotBOT
That only works if someone implemented Ord and their implementation is going to be that same old if/elseif/else
So if it's a custom type and you need a comparator for it you're not going to be just calling cmp()
minor badge
indeed, but if you wanna compare or sort them, you usually would derive/implement ord anyways
finite wave
There most likely is a arduino rust implem
limber knotBOT
Sure, just like he has a compare function he can use for that :P
minor badge
limber knotBOT
Although his has some issues, if he accidentally an array of bytes instead he won't be going to space today
finite wave
Easy
limber knotBOT
btw it's a fork because LLVM upstream doesn't support AVR yet, iirc
And the rust folks don't want to carry that patchset in their LLVM
(plus some people build rustc against their system llvm)
potent fossil
shut up furry
lament patio
Check out finnegan fox too
potent fossil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp2e5d_1wNY
idk, would i @heady spear ?
what should i expect
left swift
Smelly train and bad sleep
fallen sleet
anyone know the exact release date of 1.16 like when at june 23
left swift
Tomorrow
fallen sleet
what timezone though
left swift
That one
limber knotBOT
just look at when the other releases were released ¯_(ツ)_/¯
hollow zodiac
latent valve
@potent fossil tbf just take a plane lol
potent fossil
but the point is riding the 13 hour swedish night train
i unironically hate noel philips
he's been flying around the world every since covid and hasn't stopped even once
and also doesnt wear a mask, ever
2cool
left swift
🧢
worn ember
@potent fossil tnx for fix 
potent fossil
waxen panther
🧢
minor badge
stinky brocc
quasi valley
broccokasi
dim cobalt
quiet hare
heady spear
@potent fossil luleå is fucking awful
potent fossil
wtf is that
cinder kelp
minor badge
Luleå is a city
potent fossil
sounds terrible
minor badge
it's in northern sweden so i dont think SO
simple cedar
gentle nest
how to disable the advancements?
wraith pelican
finite wave
I just saw this and puked https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/teleport-all-players-every-minute-to-a-random-place-in-30-block-range.446819/#post-3849257
There is some gamerule iirc yan
quasi valley
jan you spend too much time on spigot
tardy plank
quasi valley
oh and there we go again, someone posted example code with a new random created for every random location
late field
slim nymph
you know, MC Dungeons im so glad i didnt pay for