It's a renderer in the IDE to mimic what it'd look like in game
#general
magic river
summer jackal
Yep
static badge
p ez to do, you get the inventory texture and the item textures and just draw
fallen oracle
Big sad
summer jackal
Yeh, the hard part is to read the PSI
magic river
Fibers are like goroutines from Go, aka stackful coroutines
Kotlin coroutines are like async/await or generators in JavaScript, Rust, or C# aka stackless coroutines
Stackless is usually considered more efficient although a really good runtime can make stackful faster in practice
The downside to stackless is basically https://journal.stuffwithstuff.com/2015/02/01/what-color-is-your-function/
I like having stackless in Rust because that's what a systems language that can run with no runtime should have but stackful sure is easier to program with
pulsar wigeon
^i like that article
fallen oracle
Corutines is kinda like TaskChain, right?
pulsar wigeon
wat
magic river
I mean, stackless coroutines are basically syntax sugar around a chain of Promises/Futures so... sure?
fallen oracle
Good enough for me
magic river
I mean, it literally is like that
The "color" in this case is the suspend keyword
The kotlin version is a little lower level as rather than giving you async/await or giving you generators they give you a thing you can use to build your own version of either of those
But that just means the keyword is suspend fun instead of async function or function* like it would be in JavaScript for those
Well, it also means async/await and generators are also somewhat more annoying to work with since they're libraries rather than a part of the language
oblique coral
summer jackal
I'm reading this awnser from the Team Leader in the Kotlin Coroutines https://stackoverflow.com/questions/46864623/which-of-coroutines-goroutines-and-kotlin-coroutines-are-faster
magic river
That basically says "there are tradeoffs" which is like, duh
If one was 100% better why would languages implement the other one?
For the longest time M:N threading (stackful coroutines, basically) was abandoned as that was what early *nix OSes had tried in libc and even what the JVM used until 1.2 so everyone who looked at this space after that looked to stackless, for the most part
Then Go showed stackful can work, you just have to design the language and runtime around the tradeoffs from it
And that it has a lot of benefits
We also got a lot more RAM and better scheduling algorithms, which is a big help
Oh, and the main reason people don't like goroutines is because they make calling C code really expensive but, uh, JNI is already expensive as fuck so... less of a problem
And Java doesn't have only goroutines like Go does, in situations where they make sense you can still have native threads or even stackless coroutines
clear shell
waxen panther
knotty nebula
Does anyone know what plugin is used to store bans like this? a ping is appreciated! https://bans.minesuperior.com/
heady spear
@knotty nebula https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/litebans.3715/
knotty nebula
thank you!
celest coyote
https://www.reddit.com/r/admincraft/comments/hawusi/why_does_my_server_crash_when_an_operator_joins/
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Why does my server crash when an operator joins? : admincraft - 5 comments, 2 points - TheRealAlphaHydra, 11h ago
celest coyote
wtf spigot
There is currently an issue with Spigot on 1.15.2. If you are running that, no OP'd players will be able to join. De-op them first.
slim nymph
still sedge
potent fossil
man, went to a brewery after dinner and ordered a full menu taster flight (12).
Got a pretty decent buzz off that, but some of those beers were nasty as fuck
'craft'
heady spear
simple is becoming an alcoholic ๐ฆ
steel tartan
potent fossil
nope just a retarded donkey ass @heady spear
i deleted in IS bc im a mod there i have to be godly
potent fossil
no, like me all the time
void void
knotty nebula
Is it just me getting lower player counts on my server than lets say a month ago?
neat smelt
it was corona time
now its not corona time anymore
even tough its corona time, but people dont care that much anymore
potent fossil
oh right, let me just tell that to my fiance who is on forced quarantine under presidential death threats
np
heady spear
eat it
vestal jasper
I'll eat you owo
heady spear
I have several siblings that work as healthcare professionals and after speaking to them for more than 10 seconds it becomes painfully obvious that we're still in the middle of a pandemic
they're working their asses of and people are pretending that it's no big deal anymore
vestal jasper
I fucking love having to complete furniture orders because people don't know how to stay the fuck home
This shit would be over in a month or two if everyone stayed the fuck home
Tldr stay the fuck home 
potent fossil
They won't unless there is a government order to do so
They simply won't.
They claim themselves to be essential, and they go.
And there won't be such a government order because Trump wants to open up.
He's leading the US right into Wave #2.
So get ready :)
quasi valley
wow I forgot how oof courses at 8 are
actually having to stand up early
even at home :aaa:
candid mesa
vital spoke
drowsy rock
cosmic raft
Well this is annoying
trying to compile a project
An exception has occurred in the compiler (14.0.1). Please file a bug against the Java compiler via the Java bug reporting page (http://bugreport.java.com) after checking the Bug Database (http://bugs.java.com) for duplicates. Include your program, the following diagnostic, and the parameters passed to the Java compiler in your report. Thank you.
something in the code is breaking the compiler
cosmic raft
no
minor badge
ok go on sir
minor badge
try part by part i guess
chrome fulcrum
is it using java 14 features? (I can't help you, just curious)
chrome fulcrum
Sounds like a pain.
quasi valley
imagine defaulting your path to java 8
cosmic raft
?
minor badge
no reason not to use it
hes obviously using java 14 on his own machine where being up to date is more important than saving a few cpu cycles
bleak birch
tough hemlock
heady spear
low carb low fat ice cream is the best
23g of protein in under 300kcal and chocolate? ye boi
worn ember
@heady spear ur fat
heady spear
no u
fallen sleet
ur fat
void bison
sharp sentinel
Iโve had a few compile failures on J11+ with generic inference
elfin parcel
gentle harness
limber knotBOT
so thats way too much time I will never get back https://github.com/directus/api/issues/1932
at least it was work time, lol
limber knotBOT
no
I dont
this is I software I want to use at work
it happens to be written in PHP
and since nobody was providing support (granted, they make it pretty clear that support is paid, for non paying ppl its just support by randoms in the community), I got my hands dirty
tool is actually fucking great
split pasture
Hello, I would appreciate any response: https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/are-they-common-ways-to-hack-a-server.446003/
Ty
worn ember
People that say such shit rarely have any clue what they're even talking about. You can safely ignore it. Just make sure your passwords consist out of more than 3 characters
heady spear
ok dark but what if he ddos's his mainframe by getting the ip of the 0day in the backend?
you can't protect against that by using a strong password
potent fossil
replied @split pasture
split pasture
Thank you !
I use WordGuard and everyone is doeop on join, I do not play as an operator myself. And I will change my password, but I can assure you it is long and strong.
potent fossil
You're more than likely fine.
He's trying to scare you.
good thanks @spice finch
split pasture
Happy birthday late, then !
potent fossil
Thanks! Also, see the reply the other guy put on your thread for some good info. For this specific case you probably don't need it, but it's good reading in any case.
split pasture
Yeah I just saw it. Thanks
split pasture
ok dark but what if he ddos's his mainframe by getting the ip of the 0day in the backend?
By the way, I don't really understand why a ddos can be used to hack something, because for me, a ddos just get the site/Minecraft server down for a moment, but how can you use this to steal some infos ?
potent fossil
You can't.
A DDoS just denies service. It's in the name. Distributed Denial of Service
cosmic raft
hooray, my IntelliJ plugin is working again
split pasture
Ok
cedar spade
Some real r/itsaunixsystem going on in here today
worn ember
Well. Technically it can be used for hacking I think. But idk the details and I'm too lazy to look it up. So let's just assume not
potent fossil
ur a unix system
cedar spade
Does it add cats to IntelliJ
cosmic raft
No, it adds more inspections
cedar spade
Oh
worn ember
More IRS
cosmic raft
inspection.abstract_parameter_can_be_final.display_name=Abstract parameter can be final
inspection.abstract_parameter_can_be_final.problem=Abstract parameter <code>#ref</code> can have <code>final</code> modifier
inspection.abstract_parameter_can_be_final.quickfix=Make final
inspection.literal_ending_with.d.display_name='double' literal ending with 'D' instead of 'd'
inspection.literal_ending_with.d.problem='double' literal <code>#ref</code> ends with uppercase 'd' #loc
inspection.literal_ending_with.f.display_name='float' literal ending with 'F' instead of 'f'
inspection.literal_ending_with.f.problem='float' literal <code>#ref</code> ends with uppercase 'f' #loc
smh not enough cats
I want an IntelliJ plugin that changes the background to a randomly selected photo from #adorable-pets
cosmic raft
:D
finite wave
Yo
The US will not help chinese cititzens at all apparently trump condones the concentration camps smh
olive marlin
Why is BuildTools retarded and if I don't have global user/email set (but I have it set for the path I'm compiling in), it sets it globally and doesn't clean up after itself...
quasi valley
buildtools
olive marlin
I did that recently.
Since it adds it at the end of .gitconfig file, overriding everything I've set conditionally before that.
I have:
[includeIf "gitdir:/tmp/"]
path = .gitconfig-tmp
Use user defined there!
void void
ooh discord has this inbox thing now, pretty useful
worn ember
whats the point of that if its literally messages from every server from every channel lmfao
void void
well like i only keep a few servers unmuted
worn ember
this is pretty useless imo
void void
well then just switch to to the mentions thing
worn ember
i did
twin lagoon
it's useful
heady spear
I hate to agree with dark but...
worn ember
its literally the same amount of clicks to go to the server and click the channel
void void
its only not useful if ur one of those maniacs who has all the servers unmuted
quasi valley
I have like 5 fully unmuted channels total lol
if I get a notification, it should actually be worth instantly checking
else what's the point
void void
^
worn ember
if they need me they can ping me ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
quasi valley
my friends, people in a mod chat or my own support chat won't ping me everytime they write a message 
nor should they
potent fossil
but if you have a channel unmuted, then you get a ping on every message afaik
heady spear
lol pretending u have friends
quasi valley
well I'm on dnd all the time anyways, so my "notification" is either noticing the red circle or a circle with a 1
void void
you get an indicator yes, but its nice to see all of it in 1 place instead of hopping through all the servers cos you were away from discord for a bit
quasi valley
also city, no u >:(
unreal quarry
cant please everyone. just like with the pings. some think its a sin, others think its proper chat etiquette
i happen to be the latter
worn ember
@unreal quarry i know right 
potent fossil
you what m8
void void
@unreal quarry well then i'll ping you everytime i'm talking to you in a conversation
unreal quarry
good. thats the point @void void
quasi valley
@unreal quarry have to disagree
void void
@unreal quarry i agree with kenny, to me its a sin cos of all the yellow things
quasi valley
in a heavily spammed channel with lots of conversation/help going on for sure, but no way that this should be normal etiquette
or if the response is to a direct questions a bit later when they could be gone
void void
yeah it makes sense then
unreal quarry
you ever been in a convo with someone @void void while theres another conversation going on at the same time, then the two start seeming similar enough to confuse who's talking to who? happens all the time in #paper-help ๐
worn ember
i'm fine if you ping me at the start of the conversation or when its confusing ot follow, but obviously not every other message (unless theres some time inbetween)
its not rocket science
quasi valley
200 iq ded
worn ember
yes i know
wide chasm
I don't care if people ping me, if it's annoying I just ignore it.
unreal quarry
right?
potent fossil
i mean, if im here, and talking to you, then dont ping me; if you need to get my attention, ping me.
potent fossil
that's like,,, my gist
unreal quarry
if i'm busy or annoyed i can just ignore it. then later when i feel better i can hit that little mentions popup to quickly find the convo again and catch up
void void
also is it just me or is discords jump to message thing a bit broken
void void
yeah, its weird
unreal quarry
its growing on me
worn ember
also bad
potent fossil
disgusting
worn ember
everything bad
void void
#StopChangingGithub
potent fossil
it's terrible
worn ember
i like the right side but the header needs to change
quasi valley
I really like the sidebar, except I hate the non-centeredness of the tree
worn ember
mfw when i still dont know the difference between left and right
quasi valley
yeah and header should be centered as well (or not as extreme on the sides)
void void
what school did you go to dark
unreal quarry
i like that it's wider. less horiz scrolling
quasi valley
oh yeah for the code view it's better for sure
unreal quarry
Tbh, it's perfect. Any wider and it'll just be annoying
quasi valley
readme is more squashed now tho and starts looking reeeaaally weird/off-centered when the sidebar disappears https://i.imgur.com/xPUpPQ3.png
wide chasm
I think I'd like the sidebar to scroll down when I scroll the page, but I think that might be pretty controversial
unreal quarry
I also like that the top 10 contributors are in the sidebar. Now y'all have to see my face every time you look at papers repo lol
void void
my only problem with that is that then you get a kind of jelly effect sometimes
potent fossil
billy what the fuck is your discord pfp btw
unreal quarry
Trainman from the matrix movies
potent fossil
wtf, why haven't i seen that char? i have watched all 3 twice before
wide chasm
I.e. green Billy
potent fossil
oh i know that guy, i just didnt recognize that weird ass smile
unreal quarry
He's got my favorite line from any character ever.
You don't get it. I built this place. Down here, I make the rules. Down here, I make the threats. Down here, I'm God.
void void
wait thats a smile?
unreal quarry
^_^
unreal quarry
void void
that looks really photoshoped to me
unreal quarry
lol, its legit from the a scene in the 2nd movie
quasi valley
not the other way around, yea ๐
quasi valley
it's been too long since my last watch of it lol
unreal quarry
i've seen them so many times i've got em memorized :3
pallid basin
latent valve
void void
isn't it like 1pm for you
void void
damn, oversleeping for me is when i wake up at 11am
i mean i like am and pm cos less thinking
wide chasm
24 hour > 12 hour
golden gust
It's sorta mixed over here
void void
i think we're meant to use 24hour, just easier to say 12hour for me
golden gust
24 hour has kicked up a lot because of the whole euro thing, plus us techies generally pick it up too, but, many people still use am/pm
spice finch
meanwhile russia with 10 timezones
golden gust
Saying that, for speaking, it's generally 12 hours
void void
yeah i haven't heard people speaking in 12 hour
void void
at least not in english or polish
spice finch
12 hour format in polish would sound atleast weird
golden gust
It's one of the many era/techie derived thing
I think techies and engineers generally pick up 24 hours, layman generally just speak 12
void void
i thought 12 hour format was normal in polish, can't remember someone saying to me in 24 hour
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
spice finch
lol I always use 24 hour :D
potent fossil
i speak 12 to ensure the person im talking to understands
because most americans are retards
not even a kekw moment tbh
just sad truth
spice finch
i laughed at "most americans are retards"
golden gust
can confirm, I've talked to simple
potent fossil
can also confirm, i am simple
potent fossil
its called being american
viral raptor
void void
i wonder how long until my parrot stops "peeing" on me
viral raptor
hey, would you guys reccomend me some light plugins that wont effect performance?
viral raptor
admincraft?
potent fossil
yes, the subreddit
that is where your question goes, not here
here is where you come when you need help with your server, not to get plugin ideas
potent fossil
no, it's "feed me ideas because i cant come up with any on my own"
viral raptor
oh nah i already have some
placid egret
hi @void void lol
viral raptor
i just dont know if theres any good plugins that i havent come accross
i have supertrails, vault, saberfactions, rottenfleshtoleather, dynmap, discordsrv
potent fossil
mkay
viral raptor
wbu
viral raptor
ohhh okay
potent fossil
hence why i say you go to admincraft
viral raptor
ok yeah ima head out
placid swallow
Hi which version of paper runs the best on raspberry pi 4 ?
left swift
That one
potent fossil
none, if you must run on that i recommend you go use cuberite.
void void
um see it will run, but it won't really be playable
placid swallow
Because the cpu ussage is around 30-20% and I get a low tps
potent fossil
yeah, no shit
placid swallow
Yeah sadly I need to run on that... :/
quasi valley
need
potent fossil
then go use cuberite or something, it will use much less resources
paper is not made to be choked out by system resources
quit abusing it
placid swallow
And what is cuberite? Is it able to run plugins? Or it is c#?
potent fossil
it wont run bukkit plugins, no
void void
placid swallow
:/
potent fossil
that's your option if you want better performance out of that thing
you're already pressing your luck
potent fossil
nope, but you're free to go do that
void void
tldr its gonna be bad no matter what
placid swallow
But I have 4 gigs of ram ๐
potent fossil
that's not enough
placid swallow
and a lot of free cpu ussage
void void
IO is also a bottleneck
potent fossil
10gb has been the minimum for a good standard experience since 1.13
for any serious server, that is
i hope to god you are not running a public server
left swift
placid swallow
Ok then I will change for smthing else but I thinked about What If I dont need ot
*to
left swift
.try
limber knotBOT
placid swallow
because it have a lot of free recource...
potent fossil
you do need to, raspberry pi's are not made to host minecraft.
ok, you know what
good luck
i dont care
glhf
placid swallow
๐
void void
simple go back to sleeping
twin lagoon
twin lagoon
timezones are a thing y'know
potent fossil
0441 here
twin lagoon
simple take your pills
potent fossil
no
twin lagoon
yes
potent fossil
no
twin lagoon
yes
potent fossil
ok
void void
yes
still cape
hi what do people use for "LimitedWorldEdit" type functionality these days? do they still use that plugin?
it seems really outdated and i'm wondering if there is a replacement i don't know about
left swift
What is limited world edit
potent fossil
uh. yes, the alternative..is to use a permissions plugin
twin lagoon
left swift
Did u see my bappy hirthday msg simp
potent fossil
no
void void
@potent fossil bappy hirthday!
potent fossil
ur 364 days early
twin lagoon
what the fuck are you smoking
left swift
bappy hirthday again simp
twin lagoon
bappy hirthday
potent fossil
but thanks bois
twin lagoon
bappy 6th hirthday*
potent fossil
left swift
still cape
i have a permissions plugin, luckperms, but how does that replicate lwe?
can you just explain to me nicely and not be sarcastic i am asking a genuine question, how do you limit it to the number of blocks for example
twin lagoon
i think your question would be better asked in r/admincraft's discord
potent fossil
yup...or enginehub
still cape
off to r/admincraft i go i suppose...
https://i.gyazo.com/0dd46f8bbc93b12ecda50b146c3bd11d.png
left swift
potent fossil
you asked what they use it for, ask a more direct question like the one you asked us just now "how do you limit blocks".
Me is literally the WE dev
you have the best source
go back over there
and ask
still cape
well i also don't think he has much interest to answer how to do things his plugin doesn't and isn't intended to do, there is no perfect place to ask it but i'm just asking among people i think are smart and knowledgeable enough to know
left swift
I still dont know what limitedworldedit does
worthy geode
still cape
what that doesn't guarantee though is that they would take me seriously or discuss it with me even what they know so i have to find that balance between someone who knows and is also willing to explain
left swift
Limits what commands? Limits how much you world edit?
potent fossil
its bukkit page says it forces ppl to only use WE in their own owned WG regions
thats all it says
nothing about block limits
still cape
it a) limits players to only use WE in a worldguard region they are a member of, and b) allows the admin to specify a limit to the amount of blocks the player can manipulate at any one time
still cape
and beyond that the admin gives the player whatever we perms they want
well that's in the config
sharp sentinel
People come in to the #api channel asking how to do that from an API-perspective all the time
So presumably no plugin exists and everyone just hires someone to make a custom plugin for it
potent fossil
wouldnt u just get the editsession, see how many blocks are about to be edited, and compare
still cape
this is the whole config, the thing is though that for me only the 1.0.0 has worked, whenever i tried the 2.0 which is also outdated, it would not load... don't know why.. i was going to try it again because, you know, a gazillion versions of paper later... but if i'm going to try it again i wanted to make another effort to find something more recent
sharp sentinel
I'd personally do it from the extent perspective, and filter out any that aren't in an allowed region
potent fossil
well, as Me said
So presumably no plugin exists and everyone just hires someone to make a custom plugin for it
unreal quarry
doesn't WE has a block limit in config.yml already?
placid swallow
Can I ask about what is paperclip? If i now It is when mojang is verifies the paper?
still cape
also the numbers i entered in limits:, in the config, i don't know if that is correct or what those options are meant for because there is no documentation anywhere i can find that explain it, but i would essentially like to be able to give different limits to different ranks and do it from the same config if possible, but i don't know where to begin to ask these things.
sharp sentinel
Paperclip is basically just a paper "launcher" that does all the patching/etc for you
WorldEdit does not natively support per-rank limits
placid swallow
Oh nice so It is updateing itself? @sharp sentinel
sharp sentinel
It supports a "max limit", a "default limit", and the ability to bypass limits entirely
No, @placid swallow - Paperclip contains a single version of Paper
worthy geode
FAWE has region based WorldEdit, but you might not want to use it because of the issues in 1.14+.
still cape
i don't necessarily ask for WG protection, but my first preference would be to be able to limit it somewhere, somehow, and if not, my second preference would be to make sure it can't grief something wg or gp protects of somebody else's
i don't want it to be completely 100% troll/griefer proof, i would not give it to anyone i don't trust so i'm not looking for something that would be protected in a certain area necessarily. i trust the people i give it to quite well before i give them access. it's mostly because they don't know how to use we well, might be super eager, and in the course of learning might do something to crash my server. i don't have separate places for them to practice where they can still chat and be part of the community but be safe to wield we yet. i guess i'm looking for it to be a type of training wheels.
worthy geode
We had that issue as well and we just used DungeonsXL for it, as it has temporarily loaded worlds completely separated from the main world and you can allow WE in only those worlds.
But that is only an solution for you if you already use DXL, its not really what DXL was made for
still cape
and for fun of course not just to train them but they do learn and as they become more proficient i would like to be able to trust them with more ideally with a plugin that helps expand the limits
void void
well as me4502 said, look like most people get someone else to make a plugin to do that
still cape
it's funny you should say that, i ran my server for fiver years and never knew about it but now that i'm in beta with 2.0 and looking more i ran across that one and downloaded it
i haven't had a chance to actually run it, i want to study the features and configs more, but that was something i was thinking of doing
what would something like that take to get someone to make
i'm a poor grad student
but it's all relative i suppose are we talking $20, $200, or $2000
and what about upgrades
void void
well the rule of life is you either pay someone with money, or you pay yoursef with time
still cape
i figured that out already which is why i mentioned it but instead of whining about it i went straight to asking how much
to get an idea if/when i should even start looking
or maybe where should i ask to get a range for a quote
wide chasm
Well, I'm not gonna make it, but you're probably looking at a couple hundred dollars for that.
crisp fiber
void void
simple isn't it 5 am for you now
potent fossil
yea
void void
go sleep
void void
yes
potent fossil
i just made my bed
void void
now go lie in it
potent fossil
but yea, uploaded confidental thing to imgur by accident ((imgur-screenshot tool sets itself as default fucking image viewer on install, because that's the smartest fucking thing ever i guess 
))
requested removal, gone in 5mins
void void
hahahaha
potent fossil
big props
void void
brilliant defaults
quasi valley
good morning simple
potent fossil
Good morning Sir Kenwald Television
quasi valley
Kenwald
potent fossil
yea
quick someone make a kenwald emoji, akin to kazheek
hand drawn in 5 mins style
potent fossil
show
void void
today is april 1st
quasi valley
md also cheated https://i.imgur.com/sqXhjr8.png
void void
cheater!
potent fossil
void void
aww i can't use that one
twin lagoon
cashicc
potent fossil
ok bed time
void void
finally
void void
gutten nacht
potent fossil
ok
void void
dobra noc
quasi valley
potent fossil
Magandang gabi, @void void
void void
wat
spice finch
dobranoc is written together Nirvana 
void void
oh woops
potent fossil
that's Tagalog
void void
see i never learnt to properly write polish
void void
paalam!
worn ember
@potent fossil has glare looked at it yet? 
void void
nice
dense loom
cedar spade
shh stop revealing my bad emoji secrets kenny
fallen oracle
What do you want
cedar spade
you're lucky you got an emoji
quasi valley
I feel very honored
cedar spade
a privilege reserved only for a select few
cedar spade
:pinapl:
left swift
KpopTV
quasi valley
that's just illegal
worn ember
@fallen oracle mcbanners doesnt work for my resource
fallen oracle
Sounds like a personal problem
worn ember
is it tho
fallen oracle
Probably spigot cache again
worn ember
its been up for weeks
fallen oracle
Again, sounds like a personal problem.
worn ember
wow ok then
fallen oracle
Tell simple to reboot the service.
worn ember
he said he doesnt have ssh access
fallen oracle
He's lying
fallen oracle
His ssh key is in there
I'm in the middle of my morning run atm, I'll reboot it in a bit.
worn ember
tnx
quasi valley
wow didn't even notice the new design hides the commit message https://i.imgur.com/3VxloJU.png
void void
wow
quasi valley
in german we have the beautiful (non-)word "verschlimmbessern"
trying to make something better but just making it slightly more painful
worn ember
no
pulsar wigeon
does it really matter if it's cleaner if it's just worse
like, hiding commit message, really
lmfao
pulsar wigeon
"just click"
void void
but i want to see all of them
pulsar wigeon
yes that's exactly the fucking issue
worn ember
more actions for the same result, is not good design
worn ember
trust me i have a degree in graphical design
pulsar wigeon
some fucking retard designer got some bullshit past an actual developer on QA apparently
sharp sentinel
I feel commit message is rather important tbh
Like arguably the most important thing to display
worn ember
took them a while but m$ is starting to fuck up again i hope it doesnt go past beta without some revisions
worn ember
only cuz they have the funds for it
worn ember
but yeah that was good
haughty bear
I see no reason to not use gitlab rn, apart from releases
quasi valley
and stars, forks are just absolutely out of sight in the absolute corner
essentially, the only nice things are the sidebar and code window width, the rest is rather questionable design changes
haughty bear
Microsoftโข๏ธ
unreal quarry
Anyone know where they want input sent about that?
worn ember
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
quasi valley
there's this https://i.imgur.com/QJzp1Rw.png
not sure if there are other ways to send it in
void void
its a shame they don't give an option to use the older design
quasi valley
already sent in 2 texts ๐ one prior about the centering, just now about the commit message
quasi valley
it doesn't make too much sense supporting legacy designs or whatever. and right now you turn it just off yeah lol
pulsar wigeon
void void
ah
quasi valley
I'll just keep it enabled to see if they hopefully change things for the better (or worse)
tribal flicker
Other than paper, does anyone know of any other forks?
unreal quarry
Too many to list, really
tribal flicker
Ill narrow down the list.
woven glade
void void
how many forks deep are we talking
quasi valley
spork level forking
tribal flicker
Ones that are updated today and are super optimized and are updated to 1.15.2
quasi valley
super optimized
void void
ha
tribal flicker
yes
quasi valley
have you heard about paper?
wide chasm
I know people have been using Tuinity, not sure what the state of that is myself, though.
pulsar wigeon
timeout shit aint gonna be fixed by forks
unreal quarry
He means forks of paper :p most popular ones are Purpur, Tuinity, and Origami
pulsar wigeon
that's network side really
olive marlin
.895
void void
theres paperbin also
tribal flicker
yes yes ive seen this yes yes it basically says its not fixed here are some workarounds
unreal quarry
Purpur has a keepalive patch that eliminates false positive kicks, chris
unreal quarry
Tuinity has optimized everything, so has less timeouts, too
I can't say which is better. I'm bias. Purpur is mine ;)
tribal flicker
Billy you clearly know more than me by like atleast a mile, or 20 so im gonna ask what you think is best
o purpur
latent valve
i have has 0 keepalive kick on my server unless that player live on the moon 
tribal flicker
@latent valve What happens is it kicks everyone and then says that lol
interesting
imagine its my host
golden gust
keepalive isn't fixable by us
latent valve
well there was only 1 kick/lag exploit thta nuke half the server
but i patch that
tribal flicker
Actually contacted them, they said that I was the only one complaining about it
golden gust
There have also been a few plugins which completely break keepalives
some anticheat was caught other day causing it
tribal flicker
Tried everything it listed. on .895 it was different to what i have
on that post, people where mainly complaining about players getting it individually as they joined
for me it happens randomly and the entire server just gets kicked
zzzcat was there a list of those?
olive marlin
If it's everyone, it sounds like your host has issues.
Happened to us long time ago on a different host - a lot of people would get kicked, sometimes everyone.
tribal flicker
damn .-.
golden gust
I don't maintain a shitlist, if that's what you're asking
tribal flicker
No but are you aware of a post that has a list of plugins somehow somewhere lol
golden gust
The issue is quite simply "we didn't get a keepalive response", outside of that it's really working out why one wasn't received
tribal flicker
not really staying alive
coz people lag out and bosses kill everyone and people log back and they all combat logged bruuuh
unreal quarry
I'm almost positive my alternate keepalive will help you
tribal flicker
Happy to try it out
void void
you haven't pvpd until you've pvpd at 3tps
tribal flicker
its weird, im far from a computing genius but it doesn't make sense. On our side it looks like the whole server lags and then people get kicked but in reality the server is ticking fine and bosses are continuing to attack lagged out players so weirddd
ill search for purpur now billy
olive marlin
Chris, that's because it's probably not server issue, but networking issue.
barren whale
yeah maybe mess with the compression ratio or whatever it's called
it may help it may not
tribal flicker
The what what
hallow reef
lyric oak
thorny dock
vernal moth
Ok, logging off of work now
Trying to setup ore and sponge auth and everything later
Let's see how that goes ๐
worn ember
its 3:20pm how are you off work already?
vernal moth
Apperently there's a stale docker PR, hopefully that will work
I can get off of work whenever the fuck I want, lol
worn ember
thats nice
vernal moth
Flexible work hours and everything
warm anchor
Living the dreams
upper flicker
Iโll hire you full time to make me tacos. Flexible hours, whenever I want a taco youโre working.
hallow reef
Hello there!
worn ember
upper flicker
Wait youโre not darkeye ๐ค
limber knotBOT
and log out when I dont feel like working anymore ๐
barren whale
that sounds like an amazing job
vernal moth
Any good dev job in Germany will offer you flexible working hours
worn ember
how many hours do you need a week?
vernal moth
As long as I clock in 38 a week on avg my boss is happy
barren whale
lol
worn ember
haha
vernal moth
Plus breaks and shit, I don't clock out for breaks anymore, 30 min are automatically removed anyways
worn ember
werent you a sys admin?
vernal moth
Sys admins have the same perks in my company
vernal moth
Just gimme 30 minutes till I am deep in ore bullshit and you can see how amazing I am at sys admin shit
magic river
You aren't salaried?
worn ember
gotcha
upper flicker
Installs java on a vps and starts minecraft Iโm the sysadmin now
barren whale
lol
left swift
I installed windows server 2008 on vmware, I expected starting salary 250k/year sysadmin job
void void
wat
vernal moth
Wdym salaried? I yet paid for 38 hours a week
And I have to do that on avg
I can go as low as minus 20 hours or plus 50
magic river
Not a sysadmin then ๐
void void
hm $500/h, i wouldn't mind that
tired heath
As long as you clock 38, wow sound relaxing.
vernal moth
And if I have enough hours, I can just not work for a day
I have plus 32 hours right now, that's why I'll not really work next week
And do work on paper instead ๐
vernal moth
But yeah, it's a really nice perk and I will never be able to work without it again
void void
minis being spoilt
vernal moth
I can also work on the morning, take a 4 hours lunch break, and work in the evening
Like to meet with someone for lunch
barren whale
so it's a dev job? What kind of dev is it if you don't mind me asking?
twin lagoon
i n s u r a n c e t e c h
vernal moth
Generally, there is really not much to complain about for my job
Doesn't stop me from ranting tho, lol
left swift
He works for yahoo
magic river
I can do that too but I also don't have to clock in/out
sharp sentinel
Is that basically TOIL?
tired heath
I programmed a public wlan system, server and stuff for cities in germany, I can never go off, since always someone does not know what to do or does something wrong and in the end the call me. I would love a job where i just could go home ๐ฅฐ
worn ember
my working hours would probably start at 10pm lmao
sharp sentinel
Like I can work on average the right amount of time, I feel if I tried going as low as 20 thatโd be an issue unless I took leave etc
vernal moth
Traditionally, am a normal java dev, focused on backend shit, like I manage a ton of spring boot apps, but I also do frontend sometimes, vue, bootstrap, etc
tired heath
What ever that means dorothy
barren whale
that's pretty epic
worn ember
sounds like a dev job wont be so bad after all
sharp sentinel
Like I could probably do 38 one week then 42 the next, if that makes sense - but major differences probably not
Generally only ones I see that allow that are ones that do TOIL
magic river
Ideally I'd be around 9-5 EST/EDT but I only need to be around for like half that and so long as I tell someone ahead of time I can skip those hours entirely and work later
vernal moth
My boss could always say, ehy jo, we have bunch of shit to do, you can't leave after lunch, but that would be over time and paid extra
Since I am kinda forced to work
barren whale
cries in corporate america
sharp sentinel
Wait itโs flexible hours to the point you have no set times? What about meetings?
vernal moth
I have 100% flexibility, I could clock in for 5 minutes to check my mail for all my contract cares
magic river
I have one meeting a week, most of the time
vernal moth
Well, we are expected to arrange our working times so we can get actual work done, not leave early if we know we have important meetings, etc
Company trusts us to make the right calls
sharp sentinel
I used to have maybe 3 or 4 meetings a week, since WFH itโs been like 2+ a day on average, usually more
vernal moth
And would interven if shit hits the fan
tired heath
Dorothy will you pay me that month
void void
wtf 2+ a day
tired heath
Lol
magic river
Oh, I've always been WFH, the company is two states away
vernal moth
I was 30 minutes late for a meeting on Monday since I felt like sleeping more, so there's that
tired heath
Than have a nice day sir
worn ember
"but i needed meh sleep"
sharp sentinel
Today for example I had a meeting with an external company at 8am, a debrief after that at 9, a daily standup at 11:45, and a 1on1 with my manager at 3:30, so 4 meetings
worn ember
sounds like you dont get much shit done in a day xD
void void
hehe
magic river
We don't do the daily standups, only the milestone reviews
vernal moth
Yeah, we have daily stand-ups too, I have repeating weekly project meetings, meeting for all kind of random shit, etc
sharp sentinel
Daily standups are new for me since WFH
worn ember
ah yes the whole "agile" thing
sharp sentinel
To ensure we all know what the team is doing as we canโt physically see each other
void void
ewwww
vernal moth
If somebody sends an invitation to a meeting, i can just look at my calendar, see if it fits and accept deny or delegate
sharp sentinel
I sometimes deny less important meetings
And miss standup every so often if thereโs more important stuff
vernal moth
But like, we know our colleges, nobody would invite me to a meeting at 8, unless it's important, then I know I'll set an alarm and turn up
It's generally expected that you accept meetings between like 10 and 4
That's where most ppl are working
sharp sentinel
Yeah my <9am meetings are always due to international companies with other timezones
I had a 5am meeting the other week
vernal moth
But like, I had coworkers walk into office and first action was going to the canteen for lunch ๐
Yeah, no timezones here
magic river
Oh man back in 2011 I had a meeting like that every week
vernal moth
Normally everybody is on campus
worn ember
happy employees work more ig ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
vernal moth
Yeah dragon, company just lets us do whatever, as long as it works out
magic river
I was on a team that had people on both coasts, Europe, China, and Australia
No matter what someone was getting a shit time
vernal moth
And like, we ain't a progressive company, we a 200 year old insurance company ๐
sharp sentinel
China and aus wouldnโt be too hard
Iโve had multiple meetings with people in China and we could do it nicely
magic river
No no, all those people had to be on the same meeting
sharp sentinel
Europe (Germany at least) usually leads to 8am for me, and America leads to 5am
So I hate having meetings with Americans
Yeah fair
worn ember
murica bad
vernal moth
Generally, I developed a habbit to deny meetings and just send mails
magic river
iirc every month we'd rotate the meeting so someone else would get the 2am or whatever meeting
I just missed half the meetings
Right at the end of my contract with that company they switched it to two meetings
vernal moth
Like, release management inviting me for a meeting to discuss release of a project, I deny, just send a mail with our applications, dependencies and time like and everybody saved an hour
But not everybody has the balls to do that yet
I feel like I can do whatever because I am valued for my competencies and shit
sharp sentinel
I generally attend meetings that I feel like I can contribute meaningfully to
magic river
We don't even have people like that
sharp sentinel
And I created / have most domain knowledge of a lot of my teams stuff, so itโs often required for me to be in them
magic river
I wish we had some project managers but we don't even have that ๐
vernal moth
Our PMs half suck
sharp sentinel
Oof
vernal moth
We have really good ones, but we have some really bad ones
tribal flicker
Whats this bit do?
magic river
Yeah but instead people in the call center or sales just email us things they want
vernal moth
It's a gamble
tribal flicker
disable-move-event: false (for hoppers)
vernal moth
The last project, I just refused to look at the user stories
tribal flicker
Does it stop hopper items being processed through
vernal moth
At all
magic river
It doesn't stop hoppers from working, it just stops that event from working
vernal moth
Granted, I came in late when shit was already on fire, my team lead was like, Martin, go play fire fighter a bit, good luck
magic river
The event is kind of expensive and plugins doing things with it is even more expensive
tribal flicker
So it is unecessary would u say
should i just put it on true
its a server where hoppers will be heavily used
magic river
It's required if you want to stop people from using a hopper to suck items out of a protected chest or something ๐
tired heath
Actually I know a lot of people who love to do meetings just out of that reason that they waste time instead of working so they could pretend the did a lot. Just stealing time an resources with it
vernal moth
I migrated the account data of all our costumers from ldap into azure ad with one test run (containing 20k users in dev env)
magic river
Only if people can build hoppers around the chest though, you could just tell people if they build storage on the edge of a claim they're a fool and deserved it
sharp sentinel
I mean I measure my output in company goals I achieve, not in meetings I attend
Like ideally Iโd eventually end up as someone who provides insights in meetings as like a solutions architect or whatever, but Iโm a software engineer atm ๐
worn ember
Consultants make big bucks
vernal moth
I get dragged into meetings as a architect when I just want to shit out bad code
"hey, what do you think of this? Can you comment on that? How would you solve this?"
sharp sentinel
I think Iโd love to be someone in a company with ridiculously specific domain knowledge who just bounces around providing insight into technical design meetings
vernal moth
we dont really have roles here I guess
bleak crow
sharp sentinel
I get that a bit atm as I designed and wrote our internal CMS for content to add to videos
magic river
lol company's goal for returning to on-site work is August 1 now
I bet in a couple weeks I'll get another update moving it to September 1
sharp sentinel
My work has started partially opening office, but are letting employees decide when
Iโm holding off as long as I can as Iโm way too immunocompromised to feel comfortable travelling to the office everyday
But then Australia has low case numbers
vernal moth
the best projects are where I can do every from start to finish, like this website rebuild we did last year. I switched teams, talked to ppl whats was bad about current tech, talked to designers on new interface, build a tech prototype to test with internal users (basically restrcutured our cms to be headless), build a design prototype with the desgin agency to test on real world users in user labs, then wrote concepts, implemented the project, kicked it into prod, did user tests in prod and fixed a few stuff in a second release
magic river
This is basically just for the call center and IT folks, half the IS folks were WFH to begin with and the rest switched to it after their part of the building was getting remodeled or something
vernal moth
thats the projects where everything is in my control and I cant blame others if shit goes wrong
compare that to the current project where I came in after they implemented half their shit, had a bad concept, everything was falling apart, I ducked taped shit together and finished their bad concept, then we found a list minute security blocker that wasnt considered in the concept, had to do a dum work around which made us miss the release date and now, even after release, am still cleaning shit up to make it work somewhat stable
but hey, next project is shaping to be more like the first kind, so thats good
enough rant about work, time to get my hands dirty with ore
and rant about that
vernal moth
tuesday
candid spindle
1.15.2 support will be poofed by paper:(
candid spindle
it is :(
void void
it will eventually
vernal moth
thats reasonable and prolly what most ppl will do
magic river
Is 1.15.2 especially buggy for you right now?
sharp sentinel
I wanted to have a party when 1.14.4 support was dropped
sharp sentinel
That was a bad release
candid spindle
lol
magic river
Why do you care if more 1.15.2 releases happen in the next two months if it works right now?
void void
more performance!!!
magic river
Which is why you wait, sure
magic river
But it's not like your current Paper build checks for newer versions and commits suicide
candid spindle
then I move lol
worn ember
@quasi valley lets be honest, it will
quasi valley
I'm sure lol
candid spindle
also, depends on how much changes in the internals between 1.15.2 and 1.16
buoyant apex
candid spindle
like, if its like the conversion between 1.12.2 and 1.13 we are screwed
quasi valley
they stopped doing a lot of fixes apparently, 1.16 will prolly stay as is aside from crash fixes for next week
upper flicker
nothing like 1.13
worn ember
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
upper flicker
which part?
quasi valley
yeah I doubt either bukkit api or "security" will give any issues heh
candid spindle
mapping
upper flicker
mapping?
mapping isnt really part of the internal
and is subject to change all the time anyway
void void
mappings not a problem
twin lagoon
there's a release candidate for 1.16
candid spindle
nms
twin lagoon
perhaps this contains the right protocol version for release
upper flicker
alright yeah we're not going to get anywhere here
candid spindle
nms :D
worn ember
quasi valley
a lot?
candid spindle
D:
quasi valley
nms isn't api
ashen cliff
They always change the protocol version.
Even if it's just a single line screwup in the server launcher.
worn ember
it changes from x.x.x to y.y.y every version change ๐ฎ
candid spindle
place your bets on how many versions they are going to go through before it becomes stable?
pulsar wigeon
just twiddle your thumbs and wait
magic river
If you're wondering how hard it'll be to update CraftBukkit then probably about the same as 1.15
pulsar wigeon
making guesses and assumptions about things isn't helping anything
magic river
if you're wondering how much work it'll be for your plugins that reflect into server internals... I dunno, depends on how shit those devs are?
candid spindle
have a track record of making big changes, and making things SLOWER
:(
any change 1.16 is gonna be faster than 1.15
or is that wishful thinking lol
magic river
Sadly in Java making things clean also makes them slow
ashen cliff
Beta already had RC builds, so if you don't have you trashcan regex ready for that: ๐ช
vernal moth
mojang purged streams
twin lagoon
brother spigot isn't even out for 1.16
quasi valley
gooder
twin lagoon
be patient
vernal moth
to early to tell but 1.16 is shaping up to be a good release
twin lagoon
^
compact pulsar
We can test it with Vanilla server ๐
magic river
It's the release where they finally kill off mob farms, right?
tired heath
Why not talking about, 1.17, will it be better than 1.16. Will it be hard to implement, will it be compatible.
Relax bro and wait
upper flicker
those youtubers screaming about them breaking all farms and that farms are going away and mojang hates farms
yeah lime really loves those morons
quasi valley
apparently he was even blocked by one of the brazil youtubers that did so lol
after the youtuber themselves apparently said it didn't matter what works or doesnt as long as he gets the views
can't confirm tho, not brazilian :aaa:
magic river
huehuehuehuehue
left swift
Kkkkkkkkkk
The other Brazilians defending lime says thay youtuber is known for clickbaiting and being a scumbag
upper flicker
I mean youtube encourages clickbait so its not too surprising
quasi valley
ur slow compared to other software
twin lagoon
gimp does the job for a lot of things
worn ember
photoshop is quite fast?
marble sphinx
does naybody here know a way I can get people to place down crystals in 1.8.9?
quasi valley
no
magic river
I don't think GIMP uses Python itself, does it?
twin lagoon
gimp uses C & gimp-python
magic river
It just lets you write plugins in Python
twin lagoon
yes