stop fighting and love each other
#general
potent fossil
quartz peak
bruh cant believe they still charging for servers when discord allows infinite for free lol
potent fossil
shut up viper
potent fossil
now kith
potent fossil
bye FendiTony
pulsar wigeon
FurryTony
neat smelt
marco
void void
polo
waxen panther
quartz peak
Is there a web admin plugin for paper so I can remote control it like how hosting sites have it?
Gets tiring having to get the other laptop to add/remove or restart it
Yeah I have a old laptop Iâm using to run my small server
Wasnât using it so made it of use again lol
Ssh?
potent fossil
:o
do you legitimately physically carry your server around
that is painful
install ssh immediately and then pick a spot, plop that thing down, and never lift it again
quartz peak
Itâs a old laptop so it stays home. I have a gaming laptop for school/gaming
potent fossil
yea, but ssh will let you manage it remotely
waxen panther
I carry all my servers with me at all times. It's the only way to insure security.
potent fossil
hopefully not windows
quartz peak
hides
void void
.kill TnStriker
limber knotBOT
glares at TnStriker until they die of boredom.
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pulsar wigeon
i mean, you can install sshd on windows
upper flicker
to rdp into it yes
pulsar wigeon
probably just a pain
quartz peak
Look to be fair I tried using Linux and couldnât get the server working on it
upper flicker
though Im sure there's a workaround or something you can kludge together
potent fossil
what you gonna get, a command prompt :D
damn that sounds terrible
well good luck :D
ancient bolt
windows isn't designed to be used without a GUI, never will be
and tbh some of the tools in windows server make good use of that
though making the UI part client side would work just as well
quartz peak
Canât I use pterodactyl?
potent fossil
could install teamviewer daemon that is always listening for connections
just set a good pass
thats all i got tho
waxen panther
That reminds me, I need to change my ssh port 
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potent fossil
quartz peak
@spare venture I can use pterodactyl right?
potent fossil
i agree
it is not a thing to install if you are not extremely tech literate
it even has a warning at the start to not even try
quartz peak
Rip. Guess thatâs out of the question to manage server by a web admin
neat smelt
well, ptero does not work on windows???
kindred storm
don't use windows
waxen panther
Why would they make it for anything other than linux?
there is zero reason for them to go through the hassle of supporting windows
potent fossil
it can probably be bodged to work on windows, like through WSL, however it won't be a fun experience; it will be much easier on you to just install it on a system that its meant to be installed on (linux).
There is a nice guide you can follow to become fluent with linux, if that's what is holding you back from using it
If there is some other reason, then well, idk
Here you go, if you want it: https://linuxjourney.com/
@quartz peak
wraith oracle
@potent fossil WSL is practically a VM for Linux now
So it shouldn't be as much of a hassle as it has been stated here
thorny totem
thinking if WSL can run pihole 
void void
... isn't pihole basically a dns blocking solution?
just grab decent /etc/hosts-based blocklist, slap it into your system's hosts files and there you go
unreal quarry
pihole is literally a barebones OS for a custom /etc/hosts file, iirc
potent fossil
yea mikro, that's all it is; your suggestion is perf if only needed for 1 pc. i'd only use pihole to get multiple devices all using the same hosts file
void void
even using raspberry pi for that is pretty shit because you should rather strangle your router to do that imo
using raspberry pi as a router... is questionable
or wifi ap, whatever
ah right yeah not everybody can do that
ISPs locking their black boxes down
thorny totem
rip
unreal quarry
i mean, the whole point of a pihole is to change each computer's dns settings to point to it instead of their router/isp's. if you're going to do that on each PC, might as well just slap a custom /etc/host on each one instead. If you have a router that lets you set your own dns then it's a benefit, but thats a slim chance these days.
the pihole itself isnt routing anything
thorny totem
I had my pihole setup on an ubuntu system, somehow the motherboard died (had it running on a notebook without keyboard and a dead battery) so I need to reinstall it on another PC but I feel lazy to do that again xD
vestal jasper
Can't edit /etc/hosts on ur phone if it's not rooted 
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unreal quarry
get a $5 pi zero
vestal jasper
ig but why setup 5 different solutions for ad blocking when I can just setup a pi once
and any changes to the pi affect all devices instead of updating each of them every time I want to add entries
unreal quarry
i'd send you mine cause i dont use it, but shipping is more than you just getting a new one somewhere else lol
thorny totem
that would require an usb adapter for ethernet
void void
mnyeah if you're on wifi most of the time then that makes sense
void void
but if you're not then rip
thorny totem
rip
void void
i have no reason to use wifi basically lol, 4g gives me 100/100
while wifi runs over vdsl aand i'm getting 12/1
at best
cunning raft
#paper-github lmao
void void
.try
limber knotBOT
void void
plz like and subcribe
fallen oracle
I subscribed
upper flicker
I did not click the bell icon though
I refuse
I donât want notifications for every video thatâs crazy
Back in my day we just called that subscribing
void void
B
ancient bolt
Apparently people got mad at YouTube for not emailing them whenever a new video was uploaded
void void
Cause
ancient bolt
Why would anyone want that
upper flicker
People only got mad because YouTube started fucking with the subscriptions page
Straight up ignoring new videos, not showing them, prioritizing creators, just generally getting their grubby algos all up in there
So the only way to supposedly guarantee it was notifications
vestal jasper
I like how there's channels where I watch every single one of their videos, and channels where I watch their videos sparingly, yet youtube decides to only ever recommend or alert me of videos by people I watch sparingly.
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MAKE SURE TO SMASH THE BELL ICON AND CLICK SUBSCRIBE
upper flicker
But Iâm sure theyâll start doing that soon
So weâll have to like, sub, click the bell icon, and click the âFFS PLSâ icon
void void
fallen oracle
Whenever I see Vicarious talking I always think it says Victorious
an American sitcom created by Dan Schneider that originally aired on Nickelodeon from March 27, 2010 to February 2, 2013.
upper flicker
So in short: hey YouTube, stay off my lawn subscriptions page
ancient bolt
I have over 100 subscriptions I never see every new video
So I guess I'm not the one they screwed up, or at least I didn't notice
unreal quarry
I don't subscribe to anything. I never understood the point
static badge
billy you don't even hit the like button :>
upper flicker
I use YouTube like TV, pretty much never watch actual tv
So subscribing is like keeping up to date on new stuff from things I know I like
unreal quarry
I've hit like on maybe 2 videos, ever
static badge
nice typo
unreal quarry
Phone :3
vestal jasper
did they change translocator or am I retarded
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definitely retarded
upper flicker
hasStarte
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z no
upper flicker
Didnât even want to know if it was started
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Z
upper flicker
750
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wahat
vestal jasper
nvm the game's just retarded too
it says it's on cooldown but that's to place it
you can still use it
i'm bad
fallen oracle
What's translocator
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kek
void void
lol
cobalt surge
Didn't you get the memo glare
fallen oracle
Nah, My tummy's turnin' and I'm feelin' kinda home sick.
potent fossil
.g translocator
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potent fossil
Vic what mad science are you doing
vestal jasper
overwatch
game doesn't convey the fact that the cooldown it shows isn't shared between use and placement
potent fossil
waxen panther
sus
eternal forge
finite wave
Smart boi
potent fossil
did he actually fucking say that lmfao
im so done
Incredible. I just cured world hunger by forgetting about hungry children! This guy, heâs really onto something. Look out war, youâre next!
finite wave
Itâs great
heady spear
Lmao wrong channel
@fallen oracle I wanna change my code style
Iâve changed my mind regarding annotation placement
Yâall bullied me into giving up on Lombok which was great
fallen oracle
About time
heady spear
I think imma just use standard google code style
short yarrow
do you use any plugins to enforce code styling?
heady spear
You generally want to do that before updating
void void
ehhh when your 25 behind ya just do it lol
i can just we it anyways lol
speaking of updates i gotta get davids spiggot login [plugings really need a damn /updateplugin command >.> or at least the paid ones do]
vestal jasper
You really should audit changes and test them on a test server
auto updating is dangerous and not advised
void void
never said auto just a cmd to run
potent fossil
i mean, that is auto
heady spear
Doesnât matter if itâs requested or not, itâs still a really bad idea
potent fossil
thats why md and i arent adding that to the web api
for one it enables botting dl counts (we could make it no incr, but w/e) but for two, it would enable auto updaters
and just no
heady spear
They are blasting the worst Ariana grande cover at the gym radio
heady spear
Yesterday they blasted CĂŠline Dion
potent fossil
gyms still are not open here
potent fossil
maybe thats the intention tho
"lets play the worst music so people wont come here"
but then city always comes regardless
so they are kicking it up
heady spear
My gains canât wait for some dumb pandemic to get over itself
potent fossil
.
heady spear
If I get scrawny i wonât get a bunch of girlfriends
waxen panther
heady spear
What should I make for dinner
Iâm thinking ramen but I eat that every other day .-.
potent fossil
they do have a username, i believe it is a Hebrew letter
very small
you can, it's just very small
pulsar wigeon
it's not even hebrew
potent fossil
hard to click on correctly
pulsar wigeon
it's just a diacritic
potent fossil
i was guessing
heady spear
Simple is an expert at dealing with the very small
waxen panther
haha look im quirky because i have an annoying to click him
potent fossil
@heady spear yea, thanks for all the lessons on that btw
heady spear
Stop being mean
waxen panther
any nick thats just a random symbol or some other unicode cancer is a instachange from me
pulsar wigeon
i mean this whole guild is basically a shitpost
potent fossil
hello @sharp sentinel
pulsar wigeon
but i'd rather keep out the cancer at least
potent fossil
nvm i like pimple
waxen panther
sharp sentinel
This discord gives me constant -4 mood buff due to no table
pulsar wigeon
rimworld 
sharp sentinel
yeah only "no table" joke I can think of that fits
potent fossil
.g rimworld
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potent fossil
ill check it out!
pulsar wigeon
are you familiar with dwarf fortress
sharp sentinel
It's basically baby mode dwarf fortress
sharp sentinel
Dwarf Fortress has a massively steep learning curve though - so RimWorld is a similar game that's more approachable
potent fossil
Are these all colony builders?
sharp sentinel
yeah
pulsar wigeon
DF coming to steam and getting a shiny tile set soonâ˘ď¸ too
sharp sentinel
I've always wanted to give DF a proper try, but never played it tooo much
potent fossil
unrelated, has anyone tried the budgie desktop env?
too hand-holdy?
oh wait wtf, it's ubuntu budgie? nvm this is not the one i was thinking of
deepin is what i meant
vestal jasper
that github issue, sounds like plugins being retarded
pulsar wigeon
very much does
sharp sentinel
Idk what issue you're talking about, but I agree
vestal jasper
tbf tho 95% of the time it's just plugins being retarded
pulsar wigeon
"hide all the errors plugins are giving me cuz i haven't updated them in 5 months"
vestal jasper
tbh >cracked server
sounds like retardation all around
some combination of his plugins being retarded and him running a cracked server
waxen panther
magic river
unreal pike
What's the difference?
potent fossil
alright ill go search it on YT and see what gameplay is like i suppose
vestal jasper
It's a really good game it's just hard to get into
And has some flaws
As with popular simulation games like the Sims series, in which players control households, or the Facebook fad FarmVille, where they tend crops, players in Dwarf Fortress are responsible for the cultivation and management of a virtual ecosystem â in this case, a colony of dwarves trying to build a thriving fortress in a randomly generated world. Unlike those games, though, Dwarf Fortress unfolds as a series of staggeringly elaborate challenges and devastating setbacks that lead, no matter how well one plays, to eventual ruin. The goal, in the gameâs main mode, is to build as much and as imaginatively as possible before some calamity â stampeding elephants, famine, vampire dwarves â wipes you out for good.```OVHcloud is the U.S. branch of OVH
Ahh got it thanks
vestal jasper
@potent fossil
It's a sims game where the game is so complex the resident cats can get drunk, puke all over the floor, and half of your dwarf population will slip and fall to their deaths
it's great
This is a really fun watch
potent fossil
wow
i feel like my fiance would like that game and become a goddess at it
she lives for sim type games
vestal jasper
yeah
IIRC, dwarves would spill alcohol on the floor, cats would lick it up, get drunk, and puke to death
The game is incredible, if not for the fact of that situation being possible and a reality
Ok the full chain events leading to drunk cat death:
Dwarf goes to pub, drinks, spills some alcohol, cat steps on puddle, decides to clean itself, ingests the stuff on their paw (which the game at the time mistakenly took for an entire mug of beer), gets drunk, and pukes and dies.
lol
potent fossil
wow
vestal jasper
the series of events is still possible but the whole "amount of beer ingested" bug has been fixed
wraith oracle
Vicarious
I am 100% sure it does not work that way
I've ran offline servers before, plugins don't just behave differently unless they are directly related to the server authentication
And very few do
vestal jasper
I don't care about your personal experience
wraith oracle
That's fair, doesn't prove your point though
potent fossil
hmm, Deepin is made in Wuhan đ
potent fossil
finally finished watching that DF vid
pretty funny, but from a technical viewpoint that is pretty fuckin cool
sharp sentinel
Snow-Pyon, not true - many things in plugins can depend on UUIDs even when you don't expect them to. If it tracks players in any way, it may break on offline mode
Someone reported that something was broken on offline mode ages back, turns out it was due to the way Spigot handled that function internally with UUIDs
potent fossil
excuse me
lol he says it so nonchalantly
and then ends that with "right?" like we should be aware of this and it should be a cold hard fact and not at all an unexpected thing to say
vestal jasper
mfw milking a fucking jaguar
potent fossil
pig cheese
vestal jasper
Apparently pig cheese is a thing they're just really hard to milk
potent fossil
yea, i just fell into a wikipedia
started with pig milk then pig cheese then pigs
then pig toilets
TIL of pig toilets
used to be popular in india, put a outhouse over a pigsty and the pigs eat the shit
đ
i am done for today
sorry not india
china
whole bramble
winged ether
wraith oracle
@sharp sentinel UUIDs are as unique to players as they are in online mode
sharp sentinel
Yes, but that isn't the issue
wraith oracle
What's the issue then? I do not see anything besides their uniqueness causing an issue
sharp sentinel
The Spigot API doesn't handle it correctly, sometimes doing lookups - and many plugins also do lookups
It's an issue of interactions
wraith oracle
What kind of lookups to be precise
I can test it that way
Or verify it by reading the source code to the very least
sharp sentinel
I don't remember - I've seen it be an issue for APIs that you wouldn't expect it for though
limber knotBOT
I think they mean the server itself or a plugin might do a lookup with Mojang to get a UUID for a name or a name for a UUID even though the server is in offline mode so that isn't a valid source for a lookup
potent fossil
Isn't octylFractal a WE contributor?
mental meadow
yes
wraith oracle
The only foreesable usage of UUIDs with the Mojang API is skins
sharp sentinel
Yeah octyl is one of the main WorldEdit devs
limber knotBOT
Even though we added something to the player data to store the last name we saw them as so you can do UUID->name without talking to Mojang regardless of online mode
potent fossil
just ran a mirrorlist refresh and octyl's mirror is at the top :)
so my system is using their (?) server
sharp sentinel
That sounds about right đ
potent fossil
their https version is ranked #1 in the USA and their http version is ranked #3 in the USA
limber knotBOT
name->UUID is a harder thing though, if the server is doing it that should handle things correctly by just doing new UUID('Offline:' + name) or whatever the string there is but a plugin might get sloppy and always assume online mode
potent fossil
đ
limber knotBOT
Which is fine, if a plugin doesn't want to support offline mode they're free to do so
wraith oracle
How many plugins would be generating player UUIDs though
wraith oracle
You don't have to create an UUID from the ground-up to do that
potent fossil
lmao wtf, octyl lives like right next to me too
limber knotBOT
Doing /addfriend Snow-Pyon or something after you disconnected but the plugin correctly stores player references as UUIDs
potent fossil
this is too much coincidence
limber knotBOT
It has to get a UUID from that name
wraith oracle
You can still get the UUID from the offline player, since it is stored on the playerdata cache
And still, you wouldn't use that kind of system for a friends plugin or anything similar unless you are depending on Mojang somehow for the authentication of something else
it is just not a realistic case, that's what I mean
limber knotBOT
The server might have added an API for a name->UUID cache since I worked on it but that doesn't change the fact that plugins used to have to do it on their own and still might
I mean, if your plugin only cares about offline mode then it might use a different system for player references, sure
potent fossil
For name->UUID I always just use sk89q's squirrelID lib
limber knotBOT
But I'm talking about the common case, plugins that care about online mode but don't intentionally break offline mode use
potent fossil
which just provides a nice java interface for mojang's api
limber knotBOT
Right so your plugins would break on an offline mode server
potent fossil
mine?
limber knotBOT
Unless that library is smart enough to detect offline mode and generate the appropriate UUID rather than doing a lookup with Mojang
wraith oracle
Not necessarily, that assumption is based off people coming to that conclusion first
potent fossil
i dont support offline mode so, whatever fuck those guys
limber knotBOT
Right, which is the common case :D
potent fossil
(*unless in a bungee setup)
wraith oracle
I strongly believe otherwise
If you lookup on the forums or somewhere else, this won't be the case
limber knotBOT
bungee setup isn't really offline mode, it just defers online mode checking to the proxy
potent fossil
if my code works in offline mode, it's not by my design
it's a (nice?) coincidence
limber knotBOT
I don't care if there are more offline mode servers, I'm talking about the the developers care about
wraith oracle
I don't care either, I do not support it
potent fossil
yea, true amaranth
limber knotBOT
Spigot and Paper themselves don't really care about offline mode but will put in some effort to try to make sure it keeps working
wraith oracle
But I also don't think people should dismiss issues because of it
limber knotBOT
Plugin developers usually don't even think about offline mode existing
wraith oracle
Like the one that started the convo, they are on the assumptions offline mode is breaking it. It isn't the case and most likely will rarely be
limber knotBOT
Hell I put in a bunch of design work to make sure the UUID switch didn't break offline mode in CraftBukkit and we straight up banned anyone from IRC who asked for help with offline mode servers
potent fossil
Well, the project does not support offline mode. I don't think the issue should have been dismissed in the way it was dismissed. Here's what I think should've happened. They should've been informed they are running in an unsupported mode and to go reproduce it in online mode. If they can, then come back. Then the issue should have been closed.
It could then be reopened if reproduced in the actually supported mode.
wraith oracle
It can totally be tested by someone else as well
The problem I have is that people won't do it
potent fossil
Yeah, but that's not our onus and it's not something to finger wag at us about because we didn't.
If we want to, great.
wraith oracle
Because they would also believe offline mode is the cause due to that comment
potent fossil
If not, great.
wraith oracle
Hence, why I am debating it
unreal quarry
The problem I have is that people won't do it
You want to go test every vague description from every ticket? Be my guest ^_^
potent fossil
Yeah, so am I.
wraith oracle
@unreal quarry I certainly do not find joy on it. I've got enough issues on my own projects
I sometimes do it, so do other people
It shouldn't be dismissed right out for the wrong reason, that's all I am saying.
potent fossil
I mean, yes, if the issue is real and happens in a supported mode (this issue is not in a supported mode), people here will test it.
It was dismissed because offline mode is not supported by PaperMC.
At all.
wraith oracle
I meant, the people who commented that offline mode is the issue
potent fossil
Yes, that type of discussion needs to happen elsewhere and not on GH.
wraith oracle
I don't really care if Paper decides to close it for that reason, it's completely fair
potent fossil
Like I said, it should have been closed as unsupported with the option to come back when running in a supported environment and successfully reproduced there.
limber knotBOT
It doesn't really matter what the issue is or what the cause is, if you're running in an unsupported configuration the first (and often only response) from most projects and even commercial support from a company is going to be to reproduce the issue in a supported configuration
potent fossil
The people who were saying those things are not official voices for the project, just people who use it and try to help sometimes.
I agree, not professional responses, but also not a big deal.
Just ignore them.
limber knotBOT
bleh, close paren was in the wrong place
wraith oracle
You're free to tell me to not use unsupported options on your software. That's an understandment
potent fossil
This person is talking about barty and vic going to town on the issue because the user was in offline mode.
wraith oracle
But if my issue isn't caused by this unsupported option, and likely wouldn't ever be, then don't say it is because of it
wraith oracle
The thing kinda went a bit off, more than what I expected. I only meant bartyrealms and Vicarious to be involved on it.
potent fossil
Okay, actually, I just re-read it.
wraith oracle
Apologies if I wasted someone's time
potent fossil
It wasn't shitposty. They were quite nice about it.
unreal quarry
Well, tbf, the entire support given here and on GH involves being in a supported configuration. Running 1.8, unsupported and closed. Running offline mode, unsupported and closed. Enabled the new unsupported duping config option, unsupported and closed. Etc
potent fossil
You aren't wasting our time, we're replying because we're here.
If we didn't want to, we wouldn't.
;)
olive garden
I'm going to have to force you simple to reply to this
unreal quarry
Another one is forks. If someone comes for support with a log froma fork... Unsupported and closed. I tell my users all the time, if they want to report upstream, make sure they can recreate the issue in paper. It's just common sense
potent fossil
People...do that?
potent fossil
Oh wait, yeah, I should know that given how many people have asked for Spigot help here.
unreal quarry
Sadly yes, simple :/
wraith oracle
I believe myself there should be no unsupported options to begin with, but that's something argueable
Appealing to the community isn't inherently bad
potent fossil
It's in MC itself. We don't remove stuff from MC.
But, we don't support that mode.
limber knotBOT
offline mode only exists because vanilla and we had a rule that if it worked in vanilla it should work in CraftBukkit
wraith oracle
Yeah, I know. I was more about the bugfix toggles Paper has
potent fossil
what we could do is move all the unsupported options to a new file called danger.yml LOL
wraith oracle
kinda hard to get the grasp of to be honest, but I am probably being bias
I also have a community myself so I do feel the pain
potent fossil
Don't thonk me William
unreal quarry
Don't call me William :(
potent fossil
:(
limber knotBOT
I thought any unsupported Paper-specific options were unsupported because they were experimental or known to cause issues but provided for the people that really need them
The alternative wouldn't be to provide support for them but to remove them entirely until someone can rewrite them to not break things
potent fossil
i honestly don't know how many unsupported options we have nowadays
are they clearly marked as such?
limber knotBOT
Aikar got sick of keeping his 0 tick piston patch up to date in a fork :P
latent valve
Dont think so
twin lagoon
hi pimple
potent fossil
hi michael
olive garden
who is michael?
twin lagoon
did you kangaroo replied
wraith oracle
I just can't get over the reaction of some people
potent fossil
what
twin lagoon
latent valve
Aikar got sick of keeping his 0 tick piston patch up to date in a fork :P
wraith oracle
Like, "I won't update Paper till they add a config option"
potent fossil
Ha
Well, we can always update our little site to critique his "updated policies".
We'll see.
wraith oracle
or "vanilla didn't fix it yet, why are you doing it?"
unreal quarry
Reminds me of the "I won't update until there's proper pvp again" people ÂŻ\_(ă)_/ÂŻ
wraith oracle
Like, just make a damn fork if you're so attached to the bug
latent valve
Some ppl r retarded 
tnt duper can f your server up multiple time took me afew day to see it was tnt duper causing huge lag when someone enter some portal
Also the fork exist RetardPaper or smt which have setting to toggle 
potent fossil
i still love that city made that shit
unreal quarry
Honestly, I can understand why aikar added it (to shut kids up). What gets me, though, is slicedlime labeling it a valid game mechanic
latent valve
wraith oracle
It is valid to some extent
topaz mortar
Also the fork exist RetardPaper or smt which have setting to toggle
@latent valve proxy created this Fork
unreal quarry
Duping is never valid
viral mulch
Make dedicated config stupid.yml
latent valve
Ye
potent fossil
oh you're right, it was proxi
wraith oracle
No one said a valid mechanic can't be harmful as well
potent fossil
my bad
viral mulch
For stupid options paper shouldn't support
viral mulch
Yeah but we should be more agressive
potent fossil
:P
viral mulch
I guess it would be a nice place to put some other changes too
topaz mortar
Why not just praise proxy and call it retard.yml?
unreal quarry
At least he put it in a new category that's clearly labeled unsupported settings.unsupported-settings.allow-tnt-duplication, however we've seen how well those labels stop people from asking for support
cough 1.8ers cough
potent fossil
Ah so he did. Well, that's fine.
wraith oracle
People don't read, at all. Less if they are just kids using the software for their friends' server
unreal quarry
Now everyone gonna be looking in those timings to see if that's enabled or not before answering questions lol
wraith oracle
I already think they are above average to find the github repo and be able to make an issue
And if they follow the issue format? I praise them
latent valve
Aikar should do smt luke check those setting if true flash text unsupporyef if that happen xD
potent fossil
Can we pr timings to put a big red "unsupported settings enabled" text like it does for the GC flags
unreal quarry
^_^
potent fossil
So we don't have to do what Billy just described
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at that point we might as well extract the unsupported options to its own class or smth so that we can just have a method to check if theyre defaults
potent fossil
Yeah that's #3 for move them!
viral mulch
Should I open an issue?
potent fossil
Make it, I'll +1
minor badge
go for it, tech :)
unreal quarry
You got my vote
minor badge
mine also
unreal quarry
Dance
potent fossil
Take over the planet.
potent fossil
ok
wraith oracle
Eat tacos
potent fossil
Take over Canada. Start small.
cosmic raft
no
minor badge
eat lasagne
cosmic raft
I've felt off all day
unreal quarry
Make a robot that makes tacos for you
cosmic raft
have not found anything to do today
minor badge
revert the unsupported options patch!
potent fossil
Sail the high seas with me on that pirate game
twin lagoon
wraith oracle
I have been that way ever since quarantine started
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fuck you michael
latent valve
unreal quarry
When I get like that, kashike, I boot into windows and play naked Skyrim
cosmic raft
any good movies to watch
potent fossil
What genre
unreal quarry
Watch the show
potent fossil
For the first time?
limber knotBOT
TIL Dinnerbone works on Ruffle, a Rust implementation of Flash meant to target WebAssembly/the web
unreal quarry
Remember those all flash websites? Man, those were the days
limber knotBOT
Like, they have a desktop viewer but the primary purpose of it is as a browser extension to mimic the plugin or as a polyfill of sorts you embed on your own page
potent fossil
bruh lmao
unreal quarry
2advancedstudios was boss at them
cosmic raft
@potent fossil any genre
potent fossil
hold on im booting plex to look at my library
cosmic raft
except documentary or wars
devout dew
unreal quarry
If you have amazon prime, I suggest watching man in high castle
devout dew
hey
potent fossil
do you like Pixar @cosmic raft ?
or you want like, live
because if you haven't seen Onward it's really wholesome
good for when you feel down
balmy venture
limber knotBOT
Not just a random drive by contributor either, he is the #3 contributor to the project
cosmic raft
I would say not animated characters like that either, pimple
potent fossil
ok
limber knotBOT
And #4 is way behind, there are basically only three regular contributors
cosmic raft
@unreal quarry >amazon prime
I used amazon twice last year I think
once this year so far
not worth paying for
potent fossil
Fantastic Beasts and Where To Find Them?
unreal quarry
I paid for it only for that show ^_^
viral mulch
Here is the issue: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/3567
limber knotBOT
Amazon Prime is a decent Netflix alternative that, as a bonus, also gives you free shipping on things :P
viral mulch
I tried to make it very professional. I didn't even mention that we should call it retard.yml
limber knotBOT
I've got Amazon Prime, Netflix, and Disney+ myself. If something isn't on one of those I don't feel bad about sailing the high seas, stop being greedy. :P
viral mulch
Ohhhh Disney+
limber knotBOT
I'm already kind of pissed at Disney+ but they added so much of their back catalog that it worth it
viral mulch
Our VCR player is broken so we can't watch our huge collection of Disney anymore
We'll be out like $300 if we buy everything on DVD
cosmic raft
@potent fossil seen those movies, and all HP ones
potent fossil
"Love, Rosie" is good, if not a bit slow at parts
"Mrs. Doubtfire" is a classic + Robin Williams
"Pokemon: Det. Pikachu" is decent, not as good as I wanted it to be but not bad.
"Shaun of the Dead" is classic zombie comedy. Highly recommend.
"Ralph Breaks the Internet" is cute, but animated. (Still highly recommend Onward for animated category)
viral mulch
Ralph Breaks the Internet was a disappointing sequel
potent fossil
All the other stuff on my plex is like random stuff, star trek, or war related.
So, not mentioning.
unreal quarry
Speaking of rebuying the same thing for upgraded platforms.... What y'all think about GTA5 being on it's 3rd generation of platforms? Lol anyone planning on rebuying it.. again ...
potent fossil
(Then again, if you want to watch Star Trek...boy have I got them all....)
potent fossil
No I won't be buying it again. I bought it once for PC and then...wow
never again
like a sane person (I hope)
quasi valley
hey kid, wanna buy gta for the fifth time?
twin lagoon
i would assume they'll release gta 6 in a few years
cosmic raft
@potent fossil seen most of those actually
potent fossil
Damn
cosmic raft
this is the issue, hard to find things to watch
unreal quarry
I've bought it for pc, ps3, and ps4. Idk about ps5. I might sit this one out
worn ember
Watch "the platform" :)
limber knotBOT
Huh, this old donkey inventory dupe sounds like someone regressed my generic inventory viewer fix
worn ember
Shits messed up lol
potent fossil
I know two really fantastic movies but they are in Hindi so you need subtitles. Most people won't venture to watch Bollywood, so not mentioning prior. But if you are feeling adventurous and want your heart to be messed with (in a good way) watch PK.
limber knotBOT
Or donkeys were special snowflakes and implemented everything on their own
wide chasm
Spirited Away and The Wind Rises are good imo
potent fossil
And the other one is 3 Idiots.
worn ember
I don't get why people find those so good
potent fossil
Both bollywood
wraith oracle
Spirited Away is pretty damn good
worn ember
Parasite was nice too. Very different kind of movie than ur used to
twin lagoon
parasite was amazing
potent fossil
PK is about an alien that looks human, gets dropped off naked in a desert and loses his amulet to call back the ship so he has to wonder around India figuring life out. Ends up causing a whole bunch of hilarious issues.
That's all I'll say.
potent fossil
And then 3 Idiots I will tell you absolutely nothing about but you need to watch it before you die.
If you can stomach the subtitles.
cosmic raft
good lord what is this movie
potent fossil
Which one
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_Sunshine_of_the_Spotless_Mind -- Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind - Wikipedia: "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is a 2004 American science fiction romantic drama film written by Charlie Kaufman and directed by Michel Gondry."
That movie is pretty great
cosmic raft
seen it before actually, just forgot about the funky title :P
cosmic raft
maybe I just watch something else
potent fossil
Sorry I have no good suggestions
cosmic raft
checking another website :3
potent fossil
(except for the Bollywood ones, they are fantastic and will change you as a person)
cosmic raft
hm this looks interesting
neat smelt
romantic drama
nothing for me
cosmic raft
yup found something @potent fossil
potent fossil
What'd you choose
worn ember
i didnt know wiz worked at the AMD helpdesk
cosmic raft
worn ember
kpoop 
cosmic raft
what
potent fossil
Did you see my earlier recommendations
cosmic raft
oh
potent fossil
I recommended PK and 3 Idiots. They're Bollywood movies. Very good
cosmic raft
I cannot afford that
potent fossil
Damn
worn ember
.lombok
limber knotBOT
[03:01:27] <gabizou> fuck you and the lombok horse you rode in on
twin lagoon
just torrent
potent fossil
Where does i3 get started in lightdm?
twin lagoon
smh
potent fossil
I have a full media server that indexes torrent sites and nzb sites, downloads (transmission for torrents, sabnzbd for nzbs), and then renames for me into Plex-friendly format so Plex can ident and grab metadata
All I need to do is type the name of what I want then wait.
potent fossil
Due to the subtitles or it was just boring?
wide chasm
hI
tough cipher
haughty bear
HolyC is recognised as a lang?
heady spear
The IDE that comes with TempleOS supports several features, such as embedding images in code. It uses a non-standard text format (known as DolDoc) which has support for hypertext links, images, and 3D meshes to be embedded into what are otherwise standard ASCII files
wicked birch
I can oc my monitor on windows to 70hz but when I try it on Linux it goes blurry. Must be the timings..
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worn ember
heady spear
soon it's midsummer, nerds. 
worn ember
ok
heady spear
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good night city
heady spear
someone should drink with me
quasi valley
simple will do that happily
worn ember
if ur paying for the booze i'm in
cosmic raft
meh
I cannot even go to sleep since I don't feel tired either
did not really even eat either
worn ember
play some minecraft
quasi valley
or drink with city
mental meadow
City its not even 12 at least wait till its afternoon
worn ember
morning drinking is the best
mossy vessel
City can't afford any booze, its way too expensive where he lives đ
worn ember
poor city (literally)
minor badge
booze isnt too expensive in norway, and i know its cheaper in sweden :p
mental meadow
Always depends on what you consider "expensive" lol
quasi valley
just buy some cheap vodka
olive garden
wtf
worn ember
lmfao i dont actually drink pepsi
olive garden
good
limber knotBOT
ah yes that was definitely the wrong part
ancient wren
spice finch
ok
wraith oracle
you have to put them twice
worn ember
i forgot
latent valve
DED
worn ember
no u
i dont like how Fileconfiguration#getStringList returns an empty list instead of null when the list doesnt exist
granite salmon
letâs talk like this
haughty bear
you ever get random people connecting to your server they found through shodan?
worn ember
cuz then i cant yell at them
worn ember
but its not guaranteed to contain anything
unreal quarry
I agree @worn ember
worn ember
it should return null if the key doesnt exist
worn ember
and empty if it does exist but not contain anything
unreal quarry
It's pissed me off enough times I made workarounds
worn ember
i cant properly validate the config like this smh
has this ever been suggested to MD?
probably would say something like "but reee backwards compat"
wide chasm
Could be a snakeyaml issue, though, which he doesn't have any control over.
Other than replacing snakeyaml with something else I guess
unreal quarry
No, just look at the implementation, then recreate it with a default param and the ability to return null
worn ember
its definitly not
unreal quarry
Snakeyaml lets you check if a key/value exists, it's bukkit's impl that's weird about it
wide chasm
sigh
unreal quarry
Honestly, not having a default param pisses me off more than it not returning null lol
wide chasm
I've been waiting for a sane API for over five years, but it just never comes
wide chasm
It means that the list contains a certain type of element, but we don't know what that type is.
unreal quarry
It's generics, viper
worn ember
it means it can be whatever i think
wide chasm
In a list of object you can put anything, whereas in a List<?> you can't put anything.
With a List<Object> you know that it contains objects. With a List<?> that could very well be a List<Integer> for example, we just don't know.
mental meadow
just save everything in a string seperated with a ;
wide chasm
If you want to change it, yes.
If you do your generics properly, you should rarely need to cast. Unfortunately, doing generics properly is difficult đ
It's important to note that a ? in a generic does not mean a wildcard or something, it means it's unknown. (Although this could be different in Kotlin.)
unreal quarry
On phone, or I'd show you more. I suck at typing on phone lol
worn ember
hmm in this case he just seems to use objects anyway so, does it really matter? (in this case) he's basically assuming its objects anyway
wide chasm
From what I read online Viper, Kotlin's <*> is Java's <?> and Kotlin's <Any> is Java's <Object>.
cosmic raft
gives @wide chasm a Map<List<Map<Map.Entry<Map<Integer, Integer>, Byte>, AtomicBoolean>>, Map<Map<Map<String, Integer>, Short>, Long>>
wide chasm
You can always safely assume anything is an Object Dark even in a List<?>: a get gives you an Object, but a put is impossible. It then casts individual objects to String. Since it reads from files, it's basically impossible to be completely type safe without having to do some kind of type checking, since the contents of the list come from the file and you don't know what the type of the list is (especially since YAML doesn't have a way to enforce a list containing elements of a certain type).
kashike where are my my ? extends and ? supers
I want them
cosmic raft
moment, I will make it better
quasi valley
needs more generic types
golden gust
just ask him to show one of his real ones
finite wave
Oh right
cosmic raft
public final class BlockContentTypeLoader extends MultiTypeContentLoader<BlockGenre, ContentBlock, ContentBlock.Builder<ContentBlock, BlockStateDefinition, BlockStateDefinition.Builder<BlockStateDefinition>>, BlockContentProcessor<ContentBlock, ContentBlock.Builder<ContentBlock, BlockStateDefinition, BlockStateDefinition.Builder<BlockStateDefinition>>, BlockStateDefinition, BlockStateDefinition.Builder<BlockStateDefinition>>> implements Witness, MultiTypeContentLoader.Translated<BlockGenre> {
finite wave
Mastercard
golden gust
â¤ď¸
quasi valley
pretty sure such a class doesn't leave any witnesses behind
haughty bear
I just threw up
quasi valley
twin lagoon
worn ember
is that a real class?
spice finch
Probably 
cosmic raft
yes
worn ember
time to throw the whole thing away
cosmic raft
spice finch
oof
cosmic raft
another nice one:
public abstract class MultiTypeContentLoader<T extends Enum<T> & ContentType.MultiType<C, B>, C extends CatalogedContent, B extends ContentBuilder<C>, P extends ConfigProcessor<B>> extends ContentLoaderImpl<C, B, MultiTypeContentLoader.Entry<T, C, B>> implements MultiTypeExternalContentProcessor<T, C, B> {
quasi valley
stef's kink
worn ember
gets stef his pp hard
wide chasm
Multi-bounded generics, single letter type names, generic extending, this is great.
cedar spade
spice finch
I've never found generics useful in my plugins.. am I doing it wrong? 
quasi valley
if you don't need them, you don't need them
cedar spade
They have uses, but they're not necessary
wide chasm
As long as you place them on Lists and other internal stuff, you're good.
cosmic raft
public final class MultiTypeProcessorBinder<T extends ContentType.MultiType<C, B>, C extends CatalogedContent, B extends ContentBuilder<C>, P extends ConfigProcessor<? extends B>> {
I think that is it for that project
cosmic raft
but the best part is
wide chasm
private final Map<Class<? extends Event>, List<Map.Entry<SkriptEventExecutor, Predicate<Event>>>> REGISTERED_HANDLERS = new HashMap<>(); is probably the most complicated I have
cosmic raft
that first one, the really long one
is this now:
public final class BlockLoader extends RootContentLoaderImpl<BlockType.Child, ContentBlockBuilder<?, ?, ?>> implements Listener {
worn ember
hah
wide chasm
Along with public <T extends Event> ComplexEventProxyFactory registerEvent(@NotNull Class<T> event, @NotNull String regex, @NotNull Function<Matcher, Predicate<T>> filterCreator)
cosmic raft
<C extends ContentType.Child, R extends ContentType.Root<C>> void find(final FoundContent<R, C> foundContent, final R rootType, final Set<ChildContentLoader<C>> childrenTypes);
simpler
oh
here
enjoy this instead
analog prairie
wide chasm
One thing I like about generics is that you can do something like this:
<T extends PlayerEvent & Cancellable> void handle(T event) {}
Then in the body you can use both stuff from PlayerEvent and Cancellable, really useful if you need to block a variety of actions.
cosmic raft
yup
limber knotBOT
net...timeout? :D
finite wave
?
olive garden
time to rant about how bad IRC is?
potent fossil
no
fallen sleet
no
olive garden
:(
golden gust
one of the servers probs just crapped itself
golden gust
The beauty of IRC is that it can deal with a server going down
Well, networking routes
potent fossil
thats why i said net...timeout :D
golden gust
I know that one of the spigot IRC servers was somewhere that often had stupid issues with the network
potent fossil
does anyone know what i should look for in dmesg to figure out why my pc suddenly just completely fucking freezes on boot for like, idk, 6 minutes before figuring its fucking life out
only happening with the budgie DE im trying
potent fossil
doesnt happen to me in any other DE
olive garden
that's called excluding
twin lagoon
have a dog
golden gust
er, issue is that it depends on working out what's holding it back
void void
can you switch to a terminal window while the gui part is frozen
potent fossil
no
spice finch
that's called excluding
thanks đ im not native
potent fossil
i have to open a terminal real fuckin fast
then i can use it while the budgie UI is frozen
golden gust
run htop or something?
spice finch
cute doggo Michael
golden gust
see if something is blowing resources
spice finch
i appreciate correcting me, every day smarter :D
golden gust
tried doing a disk check?
golden gust
Stuff like that often falls around something eating resources and something like hardware blocking
potent fossil
just fine, no issues
uh
doesnt seem right but htop says firefox has 26.5G VIRT memory but RES is only like 221M
o.o
and mem use is just 3.37g
worn ember
"discord so bad, messages never sent"
irc server shits itself
lul
spice finch
golden gust
Yea, but
spice finch
IRC vs Discord part 1
worn ember
fight
golden gust
everybody reconnected and can talk already ;P
latent valve
anyone know how to copy paste stuff that have rail with worldedit and it will be as we copy and not like this? xD
golden gust
With discord we'd be playing up and down for another hour or so minimum, even all day
worn ember
true
spice finch
@latent valve make sure u are running latest worldedit
worn ember
im just messing idc tbh
spice finch
it should be copied normally
sharp sentinel
That's a Minecraft bug
Minecraft goes ahead and modifies the rails /after/ WorldEdit pastes them
worn ember
NotOurFaultTM
sharp sentinel
Someone reported it to MC years ago and they marked it as Won't Fix
The same issue occurs in the MC clone command đ
latent valve
strike again
potent fossil
uhm...
worn ember
that sucks
potent fossil
if im lucky it was budgie's pepega window preview program
void void
mojank
potent fossil
holy shit
yall, never use deepin
first of all its made in #wuhan
but also
it overwrites your fucking /etc/default/grub
without fucking asking
worn ember
it was probably infected
quasi valley
how dare it
potent fossil
yea its gone already
worn ember
linux pandemic coming soon
void void
đŁ
potent fossil
i can't do i3, i lack so much QOL shit
like just getting my fucking headphones connected to BT is a chore
worn ember
pimple, i see a correlation here
potent fossil
otherwise i like it
potent fossil
yes, that's all fine. i mean it's a chore manually starting the applet then fucking with it till it connects
golden gust
It's generally a balance of keeping it raw with i3 and having stuff like NM installed
potent fossil
i want my DE to do it for me
void void
if you have time and energy then wm is good
worn ember
potent fossil
holy fuck can someone please send me their /etc/default/grub
this is fucking pepega as all hell
worn ember
haha the madlad did it http://downloadmoretps.com/
void void
what distro
potent fossil
arch
potent fossil
looks at http://mineacademy.net
void void
grub.default ÂŤ trunk - svntogit/packages.git - Git clone of the 'packages' repository
https://git.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk/grub.default?h=packages/grub
potent fossil
thank you.
olive garden
registering minacademy.net and putting such content in there might actually provide grounds for legal action
potent fossil
I would love for Kangaroo to sue me.
olive garden
but then the existence of mineacademy and their practices are another great ground for such actions
potent fossil
I will destroy him.
olive garden
whose domain is it?
potent fossil
Mine
olive garden
really? fucking love you mate
olive garden
so can someone explain what's this PayPal buyer email address mass mail "feedback" thing was?
golden gust
He basically took all the email addresses from his paypal and started sending emails out to everybody
olive garden
nice
haughty bear
what, advertising mineacademy?
worn ember
https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/3544 
people are so stupid sometimes