general

[void void]

aikar is nice

[hushed hazel]

STOP USING 1.12 ITS TOO FAST USE SHITTY 1.15

[void void]

ah that.. yeh

[pulsar wigeon]

speaking of being toxic

[upper flicker]

ah yes I see why youre upset

youre one of those

[hushed hazel]

kek

[upper flicker]

happy to confirm our toxicity then

[worn ember]

that made me laugh

[vernal moth]

I'll try something different now

Use my bike for the first time in months and try to find the Rhine without my phone

[worn ember]

lol

[vernal moth]

Just by cycling in the general direction that I think it should be 😂

Let's see how good I know my city

[worn ember]

my dad: better study hard, cuz if you fail i'm buying you a pink lunch box
also my dad: playing music for the entire neighborhood while im trying to study

[vernal moth]

Noice canceling headphones 😂

[worn ember]

dude those wont stop it lol

hes literally playing at like 90db outside with some speakers he made

[vernal moth]

😂

[worn ember]

they do sound pretty good tho

[vernal moth]

My bike is filled with spider webs 😂

[void void]

some people have to have music loud to appreciate it

others are jackasses

[worn ember]

i think hes jus fine tuning the highs and lows

[spice finch]

why did they send that to students

they don't care prob

[void void]

guilt

[spice finch]

ah

[void void]

so not going with inflation for just 6 months is gonna cost $300 million wtf

[limber knot]

not having education state sponsored

[worn ember]

lol now myneighbor is shouting to turn up the music, why are they like this

[void void]

in that sense $300 million would be a small amount for them then

[limber knot]

tuituib? laughs in eastern german

*tuition lol

[native briar]

Phoenix how you can add the bot tag?

[void void]

you asked that yesterday

use IRC

[limber knot]

you are either born with it or not

that's insane

it costs like 500€/year to studiy around here, lol. and that's not even tuition

[void void]

it is tbh

[limber knot]

I mean we have nazis marching on the streets so there's that

[worn ember]

around 1k here

[void void]

well mines partly insane cos borris

[worn ember]

did nazi that coming

[still cape]

finally replaced the world i was talking about earlier, behold, otherworld 2.0 https://gyazo.com/6b98426d25d88addbcbccfca267d992a

[limber knot]

eww, round maps

runs

[spice finch]

flat earth evidence

[worn ember]

microsoft streams be like

[still cape]

eww first thing: criticism, nice one

[vagrant niche]

emacs

It's an OS

[golden gust]

yes

[vagrant niche]

ye

[golden gust]

Lots of people highly rate emacs for it's abilties as a email client, a web browser, a window manager

all it really needs is a good text editor

[vagrant niche]

That's why we have nano

[still cape]

but what's wrong with round worlds?

[vagrant niche]

It's round

[golden gust]

lyk ur mum

[upper flicker]

they look pretty on dynmap but can be annoying in game

thats about the only criticism Ive seen

[limber knot]

you can also not use the vanilla world border with them

hi

this is not moomoo

[wide chasm]

Smells like ban evasion

[limber knot]

yes its very useful for that

yikes lmao

[vagrant niche]

hi wizjany

[void void]

the bot tags are spreading

i gotta try out this IRC

[vagrant niche]

nah

[limber knot]

but lax you have so many memories on irc

[twin lagoon]

wiz, what if you leave the discord server and stay on IRC so people can't tag raid you

[limber knot]

why do you people like IRC its so shit

[wide chasm]

tag raid
Sounds like an easy ban to me

[waxen panther]

borrrreeed

[twin lagoon]

well yes but that doesn't mean it's still annoying

lol

[waxen panther]

Fuck you Micheal

[wide chasm]

Sure, but to leave Discord just when you can ban them

[limber knot]

what is so good about IRC

slash ns identify your yourpass

is this guy just here to troll

if you don't like irc i can help you leave

[vagrant niche]

wat memories, I've never been on IRC

[limber knot]

i just want to know why you like irc

[vagrant niche]

/nick LaxWasHere

[limber knot]

lax has repressed his irc memories

[vagrant niche]

I've never heard of this irc

[limber knot]

Did this work

ye

[vagrant niche]

ye, do /nick LaxWasHere

[limber knot]

The best part of IRC is it's moderation features, which are miles apart vs dumcord

e.g.

!quiet TheViperShow

you can do that on discord its just a pain in the dick

[void void]

ok this IRC is confusing me

[vagrant niche]

All I want is to ghost some ppl, smd

[golden gust]

implying I'd miss the opportunity

[upper flicker]

nice term

[golden gust]

hwhy hwat?

[void void]

hm channel is invite only

[limber knot]

)= big sad

[void void]

i'm being dum then

[limber knot]

for the uninitiated https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term

[golden gust]

Coz is cool and retro

unub

[limber knot]

retro == more FPS

same reason people use emacs

Also for the one who don't know

The client is WeeChat

[golden gust]

weeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[limber knot]

Weeb

Chat

just another day in general

[waxen panther]

Hate weebs

[limber knot]

fun fact, i can't write the number sign for unknown reasons here

[void void]

wait so i'm in #paper, what do i do now

[limber knot]

have you registered?

with the Spigot account

[void void]

oh

gotta make a spigot account then

[limber knot]

lmao you don't have one?

[void void]

why would i

[limber knot]

to upload shitty plugin i guess

you don't need to, lmao

[golden gust]

you need to register with nickserv if you're talking about IRC

/msg NickServ help

[limber knot]

oh, is #paper registered only?

[void void]

ah ok

[limber knot]

but didn't you also need to use a Spigot account?

i remember getting a confirmation there

[upper flicker]

you shouldnt need a spigot account

[limber knot]

OwO

[worn ember]

UwU

[vernal moth]

Man am Out of shape

This was a torture, but nice at the same time

[worn ember]

its all the icecream ya fattie

[golden gust]

I thiiiink we threw it into moderated or something during some spam flux

[vernal moth]

Worth it tho

[golden gust]

Yea, +M

[limber knot]

why there is huge space

between name

it looks kinda weird

[golden gust]

it's a zero-width character

Yes

[vernal moth]

That's your client being dum

[worn ember]

more like REEEEEEEEEEchat

[limber knot]

this also causes fun on dumb clients

[golden gust]

probs just need a better font of romething

[vernal moth]

Thelounge

Obviously

[golden gust]

pretty sure phoenix has custom weechat configs, maybe something there? 🤷‍♂️

[limber knot]

wat

I use irssi

[golden gust]

oh, nvm

rip

I knew somebody used to use weechat and didn't have any issues :L

[worn ember]

i use discord for irc

[golden gust]

It's just gonna be down to your font configs, etc

[limber knot]

Well whatever i'll live with those 5 spaces

I mean, I would offer a user on my thelounge instance

[worn ember]

its the space between you and your crush

the friendzone

[limber knot]

But am not at home and it's a pain via phone

Don't worry, I basically only use IRC for Paper and other 2 servers

[vernal moth]

Man, am kinda tempted to cycle another km or two to the other side so I can actually go into the water

Since shits dirty here cause ships

And other side has a beach and stuff

But man that's effort

[twin lagoon]

mini

is there a liquor store on the way

[worn ember]

lol

[vernal moth]

This is cologne, so prolly

[twin lagoon]

exactly

do it

[vernal moth]

I would drive by EA and msft actually

[worn ember]

throw some molotoves while ur at it

[twin lagoon]

dew it

[vernal moth]

EAs offices here are really fancy

Big black box

Right at the river side

[worn ember]

pics

[limber knot]

One questione:

do i get kicked from I.R.C as well when I get kicked from Discord?

(Just answer, no need to try it mods)

[wide chasm]

Did you just say I should try it?

Okay then! /s

[limber knot]

no, the bridge isn't that fancy

[void void]

hmm it keeps saying that i don't have access to any channels in #paper

and i've registered and identified

[limber knot]

have you tried restarting your router?

[void void]

is /join meant to work

[golden gust]

areyou sure that you're logged in to nickserv?

Worth noting that the IRC is basically entirely detatched from the spigot site itself

[golden gust]

what does join #paper say? o.O

[void void]

nothing wtf

/join says the usage thing put /join #paper does nothing

and i'm on the #paper part of freenode

[limber knot]

i can't write the damn hashtag symbol

[golden gust]

we're on spigots irc network, not freenode

[void void]

oh woops lmao

[limber knot]

big oeuf

[golden gust]

There was a bridge on esper, but, really, if you wanna use irc, should stick to the spigot network as that's where we are

[limber knot]

esper bridge is dead

what's the thing with the address when someone joins

like i get cusl vodafone or something

test

ooh

ok now i understand how this works

[void void]

think i'll keep to discord though

[ashen cliff]

Your IP as seen by a rDNS lookup.

[limber knot]

yea, it' just your reverse, but, masked

who needs a mask

*huggles electronicboy *

[golden gust]

that's down to what your ISP exposes in their reverse

bearing in mind that the norm for IRC is to just expose your actual host

[void void]

educational meme, thats new

I am now, for once, having to read the java specs to figure out what f$c is meant to be

[vernal moth]

Inner class

[limber knot]

constructor of the innterclass c of the class f?

*inner

[waxen panther]

[void void]

ok this is starting to make a bit more sense

[void void]

aww

[vernal moth]

That's the only one I have from today

Maybe I'll drive over later, we'll see

[void void]

ah poor cat

[blazing nebula]

my cat died 14 years ago

[void void]

my condolences

[blazing nebula]

I didn't really know it, I was like 4 at the time

[vernal moth]

Those aren't mine

[void void]

my first cat died in a fight with some dogs in the garage

[vernal moth]

I just get to post them online 😂

[golden gust]

first cat we had was ran over, apparently; second cat my mother ended up giving up with most of her litter

Never really been a huge cat person, tbqh, but, they're k

[void void]

same, i'm more of a dog person

[blazing nebula]

my cat hated humans, apparently it stayed in it's own room and never really left except for food

[void void]

so how do you play with your cat then?

[golden gust]

welp, time to perform operation "TheCatShow"

[void void]

poor viper

[blazing nebula]

I'm allergic to animal hair, so any dog/cat that sheds

that's why we have two dogs that don't shed

[vernal moth]

I couldn't be able to handle pets myself

That's why I just play with friends pets😂

[blazing nebula]

that's the strategy ngl

[void void]

honestly i can't live without pets

theres 3 in my house

lmao

fun fish

[blazing nebula]

getting a flatmate with pets would be awesome, all the benefit with little responsibility lmao

[vernal moth]

My sister had hamsters, am traumatised with pets

[void void]

hamsters are nice, once they're friendly and not anxiety mad

[vernal moth]

That hamster was Superman, escaped his cage in the night, craweld up the dressing cabbin or whatever and jumped down

[twin lagoon]

i do not like this story already

[vernal moth]

Dw, he was fine

[void void]

hamsters are rock solid

mines fallen from at least 2m a few times now

[twin lagoon]

[void void]

she doesn't notice even, just continues walking

you know what the best part is

the hamster always chose to do that, they jumped

[vernal moth]

One of her hamsters got stuck in an older cage once and lost a leg

3 legged hamster was still blazing fast 😂

[sacred garnet]

#gifs-and-memes

[vernal moth]

And fucking loud, since the amputated leg made like a clock sound when it hit the ground

[void void]

tf is that

[vernal moth]

What?

[void void]

suprised the joint was able to survive that

oh i mean what that guy posted in #gifs-and-memes

[vernal moth]

He lost like everything starting at the knee

Oh that's the Anon vid that was posted a few days back

Some Anons reviewed some old irc channels

[thick iron]

smh

[waxen panther]

[vernal moth]

Cause of the civil war in murica

[thick iron]

everyone's a fed these days

[potent fossil]

last hamster i had ate himself

[vernal moth]

Wat

[void void]

wha

[fallen oracle]

Kinky

[waxen panther]

[potent fossil]

yea

had to put him down

[twin lagoon]

[vernal moth]

How does that even work?

[potent fossil]

he ate his leg lol

to the bone

idk man dont ask me

[twin lagoon]

well

[potent fossil]

im not a self eater

[void void]

i'm guessing he went mad then

[twin lagoon]

if you're really hungry

[waxen panther]

Shouldve fed him

Smh

[potent fossil]

i did breh

[void void]

^

[potent fossil]

vet said he had some disease

[twin lagoon]

pets are like their parents

[potent fossil]

poor Porky

[twin lagoon]

porky

QWERTY US ANSI

[void void]

QWERTY UK

[limber knot]

maybe you shouldn't have called him food

[void void]

lmao

[potent fossil]

.kill TheViperShow

[limber knot]

throws TheViperShow to Cthulu and watches them get ripped to shreds.

drops creepers on simple's house.

[twin lagoon]

qwerty us is superior

[potent fossil]

my house is made of obsidian

[void void]

viper use withers

[twin lagoon]

no

macos

[potent fossil]

no

that's mac

[twin lagoon]

i mean the design language says enough

[potent fossil]

and i hate it because a lot apps dont support it and then spam the char

there is another way to type accents

which i forgot

but i was using

[void void]

just don't use accents

[twin lagoon]

^

[void void]

most languages still make sense if you don't have accents

[potent fossil]

ah yes

opt + symbol to prepare symbol

then letter

é

[upper flicker]

actually know a lot of people who hate that it does that and doesnt just repeat the key

[potent fossil]

Z, in my perspective, it needs to do one or the other

In some apps it stops typing and shows up

In others, it shows up but doesnt stop typing

[upper flicker]

probably depends on the framework the app is using

[limber knot]

why don't they just provide a meta key for that? lol

[potent fossil]

they do

Opt+Symbol+Letter

but that is in there as well

[thick iron]

compose key is still the best way to do that imo

[limber knot]

meanwhile QWERTZ just has äöüß keys ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[potent fossil]

like holding e and pressing 1 = è

but also opt+backtick+e = è as well

grats

[thick iron]

wait you're saying character composition doesn't work on all apps on Mac?

[potent fossil]

correct

[thick iron]

oh that's weird

[potent fossil]

it pops up on all apps, but the apps it doesnt work on dont stop the typing

like

the selector pops up, but typing just spams the letter

when it should wait

[thick iron]

on Linux it's built into X I think?

[potent fossil]

i think so yea

okay wait

let me clarify

[thick iron]

not sure if it works on Wayland

[potent fossil]

the compose key (opt+symbol+letter) works in all apps on mac

the press a letter, get menu, press number system does not

[thick iron]

ahh okay I see

that makes more sense

[golden gust]

Yea, some apps don't really hook the native chat stuff well

[fallen oracle]

Whoops. A key seems to have fallen out of my back pocket. K7CCT-0GPPI-WK5G0

[upper flicker]

lol

[potent fossil]

wtf is that to

[void void]

steam ofc

[potent fossil]

you fucker

im not on windows

[limber knot]

I mean, steam runs on most platforms

[void void]

^

[fallen oracle]

Hmu in the DMs later Simple, I'll throw you another key.

[potent fossil]

i dont soil my work pc with steam

[fallen oracle]

I just have a bunch of extra keys from giveaways last year and I apparently already have these games.

[potent fossil]

ok

send them all to me

[waxen panther]

[fallen oracle]

You get 1.

[potent fossil]

:(

[fallen oracle]

Maybe 2. I only have like 7 extras right now.

[void void]

"only"

[fallen oracle]

Yikes.

[fallen oracle]

New challenge

Gimmie 12 months.

[void void]

do the .remind thing

.remind

[limber knot]

[-d] [-w <who>] <when> <message...>

I "only" have 442 :S https://i.moep.tv/nxB85qM2.png

[fallen oracle]

How do you check how many twitch games you have

[void void]

I have 3 games installed

minecraft, chess and mario 64

[fallen oracle]

That's all I have installed.

[limber knot]

lol

https://i.imgur.com/1NC8aKf.png xD

[fallen oracle]

That's a lot of games installed.

[potent fossil]

whats yalls steam level

[fallen oracle]

Steam has levels?

[potent fossil]

yes

[limber knot]

35 i irc

[potent fossil]

that means ur lvl 1 glare

fuckin noob

dont even know levels

m8

[limber knot]

*huggles electronicboy *

Oo

[golden gust]

either OVH is having network issues or the box crapped itself again...

[fallen oracle]

For what?

[limber knot]

oh, apparently I have 504 games. didn't have all platforms connected to GOG Galaxy, lol

• a good amount of unredeemed humble bundle codes, lol

[fallen oracle]

I've always considered humble bundle.

[limber knot]

also why is uplay so shit? the don't send the account recovery emails -.-

[potent fossil]

uplay has always been shit

but got dam, it's worth it to play assassin's creed

[limber knot]

maybe if you like RPGs, lol

[potent fossil]

RPG masterrace

[limber knot]

the only reason I'm going to play Cyberpunk 2077 will be the setting, lol

eww, it added fortnite as one of my epic games https://spigot.club/i/jK0HuHvO.png

[upper flicker]

someone forgot to disable logins as root

[spring tusk]

wha

[upper flicker]

dumb unix joke

hi o/

[limber knot]

well I'm not going to play it until I get a new SSD to hold that, lol

[spring tusk]

ah obviously

hi o/

[limber knot]

getting it for free my ass

[waxen panther]

[limber knot]

some friends want to play it some time ¯_(ツ)_/¯

worth enough for that I guess

[waxen panther]

Never really understood the appeal of gta tbh

[potent fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/alone-home-ceiling-staring-at-the-ceiling-bored-gif-13670929

[waxen panther]

Maybe the online races and the rp thing

[potent fossil]

me rn

[upper flicker]

brb fbi

[limber knot]

it's a basic single player shooter in a modern gangster setting ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[waxen panther]

Yeaaa, I guess I’m just more of a story person

[limber knot]

you could ask the same about Just Cause or Far Cry

[waxen panther]

The loop of rob this shoot them doesn’t do it for me

[limber knot]

imo the GTA 5 story is okay-ish

[waxen panther]

Don’t like those two either :P

[limber knot]

but the gameplay doesn't really support it xD

[upper flicker]

I like 4's story better overall

it is nice to see the attention to detail and general generational upgrades with 5 though

[waxen panther]

Hackers when the game goes free and they can make a 1000 alts

[limber knot]

I mean, FiveM exists

[potent fossil]

hey guys it's BMT

Boomer Meme Time

https://sxcu.net/I5w5pC.png

shut up boomer

[waxen panther]

Lol

[potent fossil]

KDE is fucking terrible and reduces the quality of any OS it touches

uninstall it

[upper flicker]

wow thats some hate

[potent fossil]

bro you have it fucking installed literally uninstall KDE and choose a different DE

you dont need a new iso

you dont need to reinstall the OS

[upper flicker]

you should use whatever you like viper

[potent fossil]

but not KDE

[waxen panther]

People mad

[upper flicker]

zimple is now one of those linux people from the gentoo 4chan threads

[potent fossil]

is now

implying i wasn't already

[minor badge]

KDE sucks absolute ass

[potent fossil]

Thank you

[minor badge]

tiling wm gang

[potent fossil]

i3 is nice

[void void]

mate desktop

[potent fossil]

i3-gaps is god tier

[minor badge]

im using bspwm

but im for sure gonna switch back to herbstluftwm

manual tiling is godly

[twin lagoon]

KDE is terrible

[potent fossil]

if you get the keyboard shortcuts down, i3 is like a breath of fresh fucking air after you've been drowning for your entire life

KDE is voluntarily drowning yourself

[minor badge]

i shat on i3 for like 2 yrs before actually trying it, hopped from gnome3 to i3 and holy shit i was addicted

[waxen panther]

i3

[upper flicker]

might have to go put KDE on something later and post screenshots just to bug zimple

didnt know it bugged him

[potent fossil]

[waxen panther]

[minor badge]

[waxen panther]

[potent fossil]

jesus christ look at that fucking taskbar

what a goddamn mess

[upper flicker]

lol

[potent fossil]

and are you unironically fucking using that terminal

viper that is a novelty program not a daily driver

ok

im so fucking done

[upper flicker]

good for you viper

[void void]

buying wtf?

[upper flicker]

lol

I assumed it was just going to be some retro crt thing

[potent fossil]

it looks nice, but it's not for daily work, it's fucking slow

[static badge]

does it come with the cancer they would give you

[potent fossil]

yes

[void void]

vipers paying for cancer now

[upper flicker]

zimple will provide that regardless

its a non issue

[void void]

but like no point

[upper flicker]

is that one better than the freebie one on GH?

[potent fossil]

i can afford it and it's not that expensive = worth it

ok

[void void]

we're talking about retro terminals, there is no logic

[upper flicker]

zimple you need to go get a drink or something man

[potent fossil]

no Z

[void void]

virtualbox sucks

use vmware

i just have 16gb ram

think so

might have to convert format

how?

[potent fossil]

[twin lagoon]

AMD hackintoshes do not support apple's hypervisor

virtualization software like vmware (up until a certain version) & parallels use it

[void void]

no they don't

they use their own hypervisor solutions

[twin lagoon]

nop

[void void]

apple's sucks ass

[twin lagoon]

vmware kills itself on AMD because of appleHV

[void void]

parallels uses its own at least

or well, you can choose

apple's sucks ass
docker desktop sits on top of apple hypervisor and its overhead is so damn huge 😩

[twin lagoon]

would love for people to move away from applehv

means i can go back to macos

kek

[modest gorge]

is there any reason I shouldn't use openjdk 14 for paper-based server?

[void void]

don't think so

[potent fossil]

if the fact that it's not LTS doesn't bother you then no

[modest gorge]

I'm not sure it's available for ubuntu 18 which we're on anyway... hmm. we're on 11 now but I'm setting up a new system

[potent fossil]

11 is current LTS

so its not bad to be on that

[void void]

and its definetly available

[modest gorge]

right, I think it's my latest option anyway so I'll stick with. thanks!

[ashen cliff]

[waxen panther]

Ah yes

[potent fossil]

[waxen panther]

Synthetics

The most reliable measurements in the world

[ashen cliff]

Very.

[potent fossil]

ur synthetic

fuck off synth

[waxen panther]

No

I work for the railroad

[potent fossil]

oh in that case

[ashen cliff]

3119 days have passed and we still don't have a MC benchmark.

[void void]

well its kind of like benchmarking physics tbh

i may be talking garbage rn

[vernal moth]

Well, mojang is benchmarking their systems now, so there's that

[ashen cliff]

Before or after the last snapshot?

Also isn't their aim like 10 players on a server without issue?

[vernal moth]

They are building up a framework now

What's wrong with the latest snapshot?

[ashen cliff]

GPU.

[vernal moth]

Well, they clearly said those changes are experimental, so gib feedback

[ashen cliff]

True, but you don't see MariaDB pushing alphas that have a 50% higher resource usage.

[upper flicker]

lol

any major differences though?

seem to run better?

jesus its even more unreadable

gg that guy

[spice finch]

Can someone explain me why people love macos that much?

[vernal moth]

True, but you don't see MariaDB pushing alphas that have a 50% higher resource usage.
@ashen cliff how else would they test such experimental changes? "Hey, we tried something, gib feedback if it's worse for you"

[spice finch]

And alot of programmers are using it?

[vernal moth]

Seems reasonable to me

[twin lagoon]

Can someone explain me why people love macos that much?

design

functionality

can use unix applications

[upper flicker]

its unix thats better supported by large commercial software than linux

[spice finch]

True

[upper flicker]

ie word, photoshop, all that crap

[spice finch]

you mean microsoft's word?

[upper flicker]

yes

[spice finch]

lol

I didn't knwo that they support macos

[upper flicker]

yes

microsoft is one of the largest producers of mac software

I dont remember by what metric exactly... might just be by sales not raw product count

[spice finch]

I used to use zsh terminal

and addon for it

[upper flicker]

either way

[spice finch]

yeah in Poland bigger tech companies are giving macbooks as work computer

so i was wondering why apple and not opensource soft

[waxen panther]

Windows deving

[upper flicker]

there are some european nations playing with the idea of a fully open source tech stack

with varying degrees of follow through

[waxen panther]

Doesn’t the UN use Linux or something

Or some government

[upper flicker]

MS is entrenched though, in the minds, hearts, and souls

more than one made the switch off and then came back

[waxen panther]

Regular people only know how to use dumbdows

[spice finch]

I just use it because of games

if not they - I'd use ubuntu or other linux distro

but its so freaking hard to stop playing games

[twin lagoon]

windows w/ WSL2 is pretty good though

[spice finch]

Yeah

but still you can't install mysql for example

what sucks

[twin lagoon]

you can

[spice finch]

uh

[twin lagoon]

you can run docker even

systemd works fine

[waxen panther]

Windows but with Linux™️

[spice finch]

what

[waxen panther]

Aka just use Linux

[spice finch]

Was there update or smth like that?

[twin lagoon]

WSL2

[spice finch]

As far as I remember you couldn't do it

[waxen panther]

Wsl2 is big improvements

[twin lagoon]

.g genie-systemd

[upper flicker]

you can optionally enable a linux vm built into windows

[waxen panther]

h u g e

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://github.com/arkane-systems/genie -- arkane-systems/genie: A quick way into a systemd "bottle...: "genie. ko-fi. A quick way into a systemd "bottle" for WSL. What does that even mean? Well, this gives you a way to run systemd as pid 1, with all the..."

[spice finch]

wow

I used WSL prob

[upper flicker]

wsl1 was a more native translator system

wsl2 is just a VM

[ancient bolt]

MS tried to make an anti-WINE

then gave up and just used a VM

[upper flicker]

they gave up on trying to make their stuff fast

[waxen panther]

Pretty sure WSL2 only just released on general distribution

[upper flicker]

yeah just recently

[waxen panther]

It’s been on insiders for awhile

Yea

[ancient bolt]

and it got faster

[upper flicker]

update still blocked on most systems

but it is technically generally available now

just dont leave the VM filesystem

[spice finch]

so I should just download Ubuntu xx.xx from MS Store in order to use WSL2, right?

[void void]

where do i report bugs

[spice finch]

In issues on github

[void void]

thank you

[ancient bolt]

considering how good virtualization technology has become (VMs run mostly directly on the CPU these days) and how small the VM is it's not that surprising that just letting the linux code natively run is faster than adding a layer on top of every syscall

though the fact that some of the more successful WINE ports run faster on WINE than they do on windows is just lol

[upper flicker]

sadly they werent getting screwed at that layer

they were just stuck in bad windows filesystem minutia land

[ancient bolt]

yeah, a big important piece of linux is that the file system is fast. All linux tools are written with that assumption

[ashen cliff]

@vernal moth I'd expect them to at least look at hardware usage.
Like even if 1 person ran the snapshot on a laptop they would hear the thing taking off.
Adding hardware metrics shouldn't be that hard.
Or the time they didn't even test if the snapshot server starts.

[ancient bolt]

Large parts of git had to be rewritten to make it somewhat useable on windows just because git was written assuming the file system was fast. and it's still slow as hell on windows

[ashen cliff]

Basically I expect a company as big as them, to do at least do basic testing.

[void void]

hi

[vernal moth]

@vernal moth I'd expect them to at least look at hardware usage.
Like even if 1 person ran the snapshot on a laptop they would hear the thing taking off.
Adding hardware metrics shouldn't be that hard.
Or the time they didn't even test if the snapshot server starts.
@ashen cliff hardware metrics are disabled for now cause legal reasons, that may change in the future

[ashen cliff]

I mean on their systems.

Not end user.

[vernal moth]

Some mojangsters develop on laptops

[ashen cliff]

Apples without fans?

[vernal moth]

🤷

[twin lagoon]

oh what the fuck i have so many ethernet interfaces

[vernal moth]

Point is, they are experimental builds with minimum testing, if you don't like that fact, don't use them

If you do use them, please open issues

[vernal moth]

Lynx

Lol

[twin lagoon]

nordvpn

nordvpn shows up twice now

so does vmware

wsl2 has systemctl support (with genie) and docker works fine

not really a good example of docker working fine since i can't be bothered to run a container but trust me it works

ok that's less network adapters but hyper-v is still creating one for each adapter

[potent fossil]

[minor badge]

is this some NT joke i'm too libre to understand

[void void]

its "look at all them network adapters"

[twin lagoon]

windows likes to create a lot of dumb network adapters

hyper-v (their hypervisor shit) seems to create a virtual network adapter for every adapter that there is

and windows' hypervisor platform (separate from hyper-v) creates virtual network adapters for those

[fallen oracle]

Correct

[golden gust]

windows being dum?

wut?

Whoda thunk it

[twin lagoon]

so basically

a virtual network adapter creating a virtual network adapter for a virtual network adapter

it's like paper forks really

[fallen oracle]

It annoys me that HyperV doesn't work when you also have an Android emulator

Throws a BSOD

[upper flicker]

oh that reminds me

[twin lagoon]

vmware just fixed the ability to create vms w/ hyper-v alongside

[upper flicker]

wsl2 is built on hyperv

which is why vmware did that ^

finally

[twin lagoon]

yes

finally works now too

their tech preview wasn't working for me

[fallen oracle]

I mean stuff like Nox

[upper flicker]

they better figure it out ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[twin lagoon]

virtualbox had support for it a long time ago

[upper flicker]

theyre all gonna be dealing with it soon

[fallen oracle]

Mhmm

[twin lagoon]

@fallen oracle i opened my android emu to see if it works

i am on my phone now

[fallen oracle]

Lol

[twin lagoon]

i think that says enough

[fallen oracle]

Told you

It's so annoying

It's been like that for years

[twin lagoon]

SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION

[fallen oracle]

I don't see it getting fixed anytime soon.

I've decided to just leave HyperV off for now. I have no need for it anymore.

[twin lagoon]

i just turned it back on for wsl

wanted to do it since i saw the update for vmware today

[fallen oracle]

Oh for 2?

[twin lagoon]

ye

[fallen oracle]

Ahh okay

[twin lagoon]

can run docker now in wsl2

[fallen oracle]

Yeah I'm just chilling on 1

[twin lagoon]

patching paper is also a bit faster on wsl2

[fallen oracle]

I just do docker on my unraid box

That's fair

[twin lagoon]

yeah patching NMS to craftbukkit is near instant now

usually takes 5 - 6 seconds on wsl1

decompiling is a bit faster

[upper flicker]

welcome to how every other OS has had it 🙂

[twin lagoon]

oh i know

[upper flicker]

in other random news, til zombie pigmen can break down wooden doors too

[twin lagoon]

[upper flicker]

or uh what are they called now

zombied piglins

[fallen oracle]

I've only ever made one patch in paper so luckily I don't have to do that sit and wait game.

[twin lagoon]

the sit & wait game isn't that bad

patching takes 15 seconds for me

building takes 35s according to maven

[fallen oracle]

Now, does forge stuff run faster on Linux? Like working with sponge and mcp and stuff?

[twin lagoon]

probably

i'd do any development on WSL2

[fallen oracle]

Fair

[twin lagoon]

WSL is probably faster aswell

especially when you do things on the ext4 fs

[golden gust]

certain things on linux are more optimized than on windows

[upper flicker]

dont do it on the windows fs from wsl2

[golden gust]

Those build processes generally tend to do things like hitting the disk fast and things like creating threads, etc, will be defo faster on linux

[static badge]

certain things on windows are more optimised than on linux

[golden gust]

How much of a hit/sway it will cause will generally depend on what it's doing and hitting

[fallen oracle]

The only waiting game I play is when I work on forge and sponge stuff, but after the initial mapping stuff, it speeds up.

[upper flicker]

yeah my work vpn totally kills wsl2's adapter for some reason

.>

[twin lagoon]

@upper flicker run the vpn in wsl2

[fallen oracle]

Weird

[twin lagoon]

also glare that sounds like something that can be done a lot faster in wsl(2)

but not an expert

[upper flicker]

alright, re-running clean paper build from WSL2 on the windows filesystem

last time it was upwards of 60m

lets see here

[twin lagoon]

it still sucks

don't bother lmao

windows FS is even worse now

[upper flicker]

oh Im aware

[twin lagoon]

they've literally mentioned it aswell

[upper flicker]

yes

I already did this once on an insider build long ago

just wanna double check the result wasnt a fluke lol

Im sure its awful

[twin lagoon]

i'm not surprised by 60m at all

lmao

[upper flicker]

jesus even the shell is slow

hit enter, wait a second, ready to go

[twin lagoon]

[upper flicker]

the new nether biomes are all particles

and yet I cant have my void fog...

thanks mojang

[wary panther]

Does anyone know a good PVP Client for 1.15.2 wich runs on Ubuntu 20.4

[twin lagoon]

.g pvp client 1.15.2 ubuntu

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euEW14I1omk -- How to get Cheats for Minecraft 1.15.2 - download & install...: "Jan 21, 2020 ... Aristois Minecraft cheats 1.15.2 - Udisen show how to install a cheat client in Minecraft 1.15.2 and how to get Aristois cheat..."

[twin lagoon]

same thing

[wary panther]

I did not mean a HackClient

I search for a legit pvp client

[upper flicker]

wtf is a pvp client

[wary panther]

like Labymod (no 1.15 available) or Badlion (not running with Ubuntu)

[twin lagoon]

pvp clients & linux aren't a thing

[static badge]

a pvp client sounds

[wary panther]

Why having Linux doesn't mean you want to cheat in games

[static badge]

wtf is a pvp client

[potent fossil]

lmao

[static badge]

what does it offer compared to vanilla

[void void]

i know about pvp textures

but client wtf

[static badge]

is it just

fps?

some kind of modification to the underlying pvp system to register hits better?

[void void]

apparently thats like one of the main reasons people use badlion

the fps

[static badge]

good grief

what retards

[void void]

agreed

[static badge]

the game runs at 20 ticks per fucking second

[potent fossil]

lmao

[static badge]

all fucking competitive games run at 128

except for the few that run 64

[void void]

huh didn't know that

[warm anchor]

bro Minecraft pvp requires real skill /s

[static badge]

well at the highest levels (ow, csgo) run 128

but for lower it's generally 64

[void void]

well there is some mc pvp that i would say needs real skill

crystal

like you need fucking cheats just to be able to do crystal pvp at all

normal pvp is boring tbh, not compilcated

[static badge]

wtf is crystal pvp

[void void]

pvp with end crystals

[static badge]

ah yes

crystals are fucking op

[void void]

one of the hardest things i've ever done in minecraft

i wonder if its possible to win a crystal match in vanilla

[static badge]

kek you probably can't win against clients

[upper flicker]

it just started decompiling classes

[static badge]

oh boy

[twin lagoon]

https://youtu.be/-I1b8BINyEw is this what being a programmer feels like

[upper flicker]

so yep, still awful

[static badge]

it's slower than ur two braincells i c

[upper flicker]

yeboiiiii

[static badge]

how to solve bugs 101

[void void]

beer

[static badge]

rapidly throw shit around until it works

[twin lagoon]

no wonder tuinity is so bad

[static badge]

[void void]

kek

[static badge]

oh yeah speaking of that

you gonna try the worldeater branch?

[vagrant niche]

Kek

[static badge]

[twin lagoon]

the what branch

This resulted in the ability to create machines
that can duplicate tnt, called "world eaters".

[static badge]

god damn I'm a bit spooked at what that branch could break

[twin lagoon]

tnt doesn't do any damage so for us

i'll pass

the amount of damage stupid 15 year old kids could do w/ working TNT on a surviavl server

no thanks

[static badge]

kek

yeah you know they'd build those machines too

[twin lagoon]

oh for sure

[static badge]

they fucking lag

[void void]

then what happens when you get smart 15 year olds

[twin lagoon]

oh lag is still an issue for some weird fucking reason

i cannot get 20tps at 50 players for some stupid reason on this server

[static badge]

got any sparks

[twin lagoon]

though it has improved by a lot

rn performance isn't even that bad but here's a prime example of "wtf"

[unreal quarry]

this guy created a mock minecraft in Unity3D in less than 24 hours out of boredom.. Imagine if he took it seriously 😮 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj8gt_92c-M

[void void]

holy crap, i might have just found a sweet deal if it works on an auction

rtx 2070 and no ones bidding

[twin lagoon]

everyone bids last minute

lol

[void void]

i'll keep my eye on it, wouldn't mind one

[ashen cliff]

6d left

[frigid ferry]

mind sharing that auction

^^

[upper flicker]

still patching

[vestal jasper]

Toes

[ashen cliff]

Feet.

[vestal jasper]

Got hd cat beans too

[fallen oracle]

Why don't you just kiss it then

[vestal jasper]

Ok I love nano but I'd still rather use vim for that

Nano master race

[minor badge]

my condolences

vim is superior to nano in every way sorry

[void void]

correct

[minor badge]

shut up emacs nerd

[limber knot]

you don't need an IDE for simple stuff

(also you can get syntax hilighting, auto completion and shit in any good terminal editor ¯_(ツ)_/¯)

even nano, lol

[upper flicker]

all done 49:49.34 total

so slightly faster than the 60m time of old

[ancient bolt]

@upper flicker what are you doing

[crude adder]

hey!

[limber knot]

I assume that's a completely fresh build including decompiling?

[crude adder]

I tried to open a server with my friends and he keeps getting connection time out

1.15.2

[slim nymph]

why is this bobcat person on spigot so butthurt about paper

wtf did we do to him

get banned or something?

[ashen cliff]

Exist.

[vestal jasper]

he's been brigading against paper for years tbh

he has an unhealthy obsession with paper

[crude adder]

it has no pluggins, no special config, no nothing

1.15.2

ok

[upper flicker]

@ancient bolt wsl2 building paper on the windows filesystem

[crude adder]

sry!

tks

[slim nymph]

I might of just hurt his soul showing him that more people use paper than spigot then

[ashen cliff]

Just wasting your time there Aikar.

[upper flicker]

linux

[slim nymph]

I think were over on global scale too if you count the uncounted 1.8 users

[vestal jasper]

nah he's been bitching about paper since it was at like 25% usage, maybe earlier, aikar

[static badge]

bobcat?

[vestal jasper]

yeah

[slim nymph]

there's 22k 1.8 users and holy hell we know we dominate that markets usage share

[ashen cliff]

🌮

[vestal jasper]

what's the post that tipped you off to his paper hatred?

genuinely curious

prob not difficult to find one tho

[slim nymph]

ive known it, but he keeps responding here: https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/guide-improving-memory-usage-on-spigot.441638/

[vestal jasper]

oh that thread lol

why do people report so many issues reeeee

oh gdi now I wanna listen to schism

[static badge]

turns out if you don't do anything your software has less issues

[vestal jasper]

lol

last time that thread was mentioned someone brought up how paper has more users, therefore more users to report issues

[static badge]

it's more likely to do with the fact paper makes changes

[slim nymph]

i love this guy said that 1.14+'s problems are caused by the GUI

[static badge]

and spigot just maintains what it has

[slim nymph]

lets strip the gui, itll solve all our issues

[static badge]

not a very good maintainence mind you :>

[slim nymph]

this guy says so

[static badge]

kek

[limber knot]

I mean, not opening the GUI when started through a terminal would be a huge improvement

runs

[slim nymph]

it doesnt if ran in a non gui environment 😛

the issue is your terminal is passing the X server addr so it sees desktop env

[vestal jasper]

There's also the fact that paper inherits spigot issues

[limber knot]

that's besides the point

[vestal jasper]

So you have people with spigot issues + people with paper issues, both using paper

[limber knot]

if I start it in a intellij debug environment I don't want the GUI :P

[upper flicker]

not a good way to determine that

[limber knot]

(or via a start.sh/start.bat)

[upper flicker]

use nogui like everyone else

[limber knot]

well there is a way, just no good one

[static badge]

have a debug configuration

[limber knot]

lets just ignore the 1% where the way to detect it breaks ¯_(ツ)_/¯

instead of ignoring the 99% where it works correctly

[upper flicker]

or you can just use nogui

which is whats going to happen

[limber knot]

nobody does

lmao

[static badge]

kek use nogui

[limber knot]

downloading it is a copyright violation

no

it doesn't

paperclip is a patcher

so?

you can do the same with buildtools, lmao

(of course it takes way longer but ¯_(ツ)_/¯)

and is more complicated

and more error prone

but neither tool is actually a runnable server

[slim nymph]

downloading it is not a copyright violation. the person who uploaded it is the one violating copyright

[upper flicker]

you know what, thats not fair

[limber knot]

well ok, offering the ability to download it

yes viper, lmao

[upper flicker]

phoenix you got a link to the better way so I dont have to look it up again

already need to wrap the dumb gui in a giant try catch block anyway

[ancient bolt]

@upper flicker how is it on the wsl filesystem?

[limber knot]

I just used this: https://github.com/Phoenix616/IDConverter/blob/master/application/src/main/java/de/themoep/idconverter/IdConverter.java#L51 ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[upper flicker]

@ancient bolt exactly as fast as youd expect a VM

speedy

[ancient bolt]

hmm

[limber knot]

which seems to be a good way as it just uses java's inbuilt headless graphics environment support

[ancient bolt]

Couldn't they implement the windows filesystem stuff as a pseudo-network filesystem?

I don't understand why it has to be so slow

[upper flicker]

they did implement it as a network filesystem

9P 3P? something like that

[static badge]

[upper flicker]

and apparently their implementation sucks

[ancient bolt]

oh right, windows

[twin lagoon]

wsl2 is fast as fucc

it's like native linux

[upper flicker]

I dont think its the protocol itself as it gets used elsewhere

but idk what theyre doing

theyre going to work on it supposedly

[ashen cliff]

©️ 🍚: https://posili.me/i/2020-06-03_00-02-41.png

Beta 1.5_02 apparently.

[slim nymph]

so bobcat says he hates the "spam" in log files

[upper flicker]

dont care at all what bobcat says

[slim nymph]

we need moar plugins adding PaperLib.suggestPaper()

[upper flicker]

let bobcat out of your mind

be free aikar

[slim nymph]

i rather troll bobcat than deal with the reality of the US blowing the fuck up right now

[golden gust]

i mean, it's also our fault people ask for paper support on the spigot forums 🤷‍♂️

[vestal jasper]

Paper's to blame for plugins suggesting paper

seems legit

[upper flicker]

we've also literally been called Paper for longer than we were called paperspigot now

[limber knot]

@upper flicker [Auto] We're now known as Paper.

[upper flicker]

thanks babe

[vestal jasper]

I should use suggestPaper in all my plugins now

[slim nymph]

i wish that bot could respond to people on github too

auto comment onissues and commits

[upper flicker]

@cosmic raft feature request ^