ye bsc in CS was hella boring for me as well; and i heard it wouldnt get better either
#general
void void
olive marlin
@tired heath See #paper-help
void void
so i simply stopped attending
olive marlin
And latest github.
willow juniper
but as going through the linkedin recruits
they all require at least associate degree
olive marlin
I was considering that. But kept going cause I felt like it'd be a waste.
So "fallen cost fallacy" or whatever is called - made me waste even more time...
tired heath
ty
void void
yeah that
topaz mortar
Or you just have both. 😄
olive marlin
But it's like 1 month till exams, defend thesis in 3-4 months and get free.
I already have 2 years experience and holy crap that does A LOT for recruiting.
void void
i have bunch of things/exp to show already /shrug tbh
olive marlin
It's so much easier.
vale aspen
Is here anyone except IT-specialist lol?
void void
@willow juniper arguable
willow juniper
@willow juniper arguable
@void void "Probably"
void void
what is good job?
olive marlin
I have an great job and don't have a degree yet ¯_(ツ)_/¯
willow juniper
based on wage? I think
I'm still a HS student and I don't have a job yet so idk
but as browsing through LinkedIn
no degree actually hurts
olive marlin
I earn 3-4xtimes minimal wage, something like that. After 2 years. And it excalated very quickly.
Yeah, Linked in is crap.
wide chasm
LinkedIn is interesting
olive marlin
In IT experience is more important than degree tbh.
willow juniper
that's actually sad
olive marlin
Some companies require degrees for certain positions.
willow juniper
I use LinkedIn to record my profile so I can just directly CV it into my college app
void void
add me on linkedin ty 🤪
willow juniper
what's ur name lol
void void
see my gh with same @
wide chasm
LinkedIn is constantly mailing me with "We found a position for you at x company"
I think I have ten pages of positions or something
I'm not looking for a different job, but thanks I guess
limber knotBOT
People without degrees not getting well paid jobs is frankly, bullshit. Though, it helps.
willow juniper
LinkedIn is constantly mailing me with "We found a position for you at x company"
@wide chasm I just disabled it
void void
gotta hop around for that very long cv y'no
wide chasm
If your CV doesn't need a table of contents, it's too short /s
void void
lul
tbh limiting yourself is the worst thing you could do ye
kinda regret this sometimes but i turned down stable Java job (dealing with Spring app shit 24/7)
earnest bramble
i need 2 players to join my server to test my plugin please
void void
to 4 other startups where i could play with fancy stuff
in one i learnt a lot about Clojure
vale aspen
how long does it take kraki?
vale aspen
DM adress
void void
in one a lot more about nodejs stuff (mongoose etc.)
now am doing Elm etc
a lot more fun in terms of trying and using new stuff
void void
but then again i risk with very unstable income
which of course happened - see corona crisis lol
new companies die like ants under pest killer spray
wide chasm
I read some of the position details for fun, but a lot ask for prior experience in what they use, so not much experimenting. Even for a simple Java application they want 5 years professional Java experience, 2 years Maven experience, 3 years Git experience, 2 years for some outdated library, etc.
uncut moss
i've seen companies require experience for longer time than the thing has existed
wide chasm
Idk
granite salmon
Magic.
earnest bramble
can someone help me please it will take 20 sec
void void
all hours summed up while using git?
granite salmon
Use the all-seeing magic ball.
wide chasm
I seriously doubt that you actually need that much experience, though. Like, how complex is their setup, that you need 3 years of Git experience?
spare stone
rancid crow
uncut moss
5 years experience is stupid
uncut moss
you need a month of experience for that
wide chasm
Sure, but ^
uncut moss
honestly the only difficult thing about git, or any vcs, is fixing other people's fuckups
void void
and honestly i started using rebase etc. only 2 years ago
why? i didn't really need them before
wide chasm
Yeah, so how often are you gonna rebase at that company that they require that experience?
Probably not very often.
olive marlin
I rebase almost daily ¯_(ツ)_/¯
uncut moss
i only use rebase when pulling from upstream or merging branches i haven't pushed
olive marlin
But 3 years smells like you should know some of git internals.
Which is rarely necessary. Although can be usefull.
uncut moss
eh barely
olive marlin
git aliases | grep ^rb
rb ! git rebase -i $(git merge-base --fork-point origin/master)
git pull --rebase does some other magic than just fetching and rebasing
cunning raft
you need 15 years experience working at the entry level job you are applying for
uncut moss
that's confusing
warm anchor
I mean in Asia they start their kid at 8 /s
olive marlin
Offtop, but just noticed how awful some of my git aliases are lol
uncut moss
i've never used git aliases
wide chasm
My experience with Git is hitting buttons in IJ and on GitHub :)
uncut moss
intellij's rebase menu is confusing as fuck
void void
i don't even bother using any git wrappers
olive marlin
Yeah. GitKraken got me started with Git. But all GUIs get pretty limiting and confusing tbh.
wide chasm
The last time I used Git from terminal I barely managed to exit, so I'm gonna avoid using that as much as possible.
earnest bramble
can someone join my server to test my plugin please?
uncut moss
eh i usually use intellij's built in for committing and pushing
anything else i don't trust it with lol
void void
git cli does everything i need... more is less
uncut moss
nah
uncut moss
intellij's new commit thing is nice
void void
(wait actually both ways make sense)
uncut moss
but shit like gitkraken sucks
just makes it more confusing
and gitkraken's tree thing is fucking unreadable
stef to exit pretty much anything in git just hit q
wide chasm
I think I had to do :q or something
void void
it's vim
uncut moss
yeah vim is :wq for saving and quitting
void void
default editor set in your env
uncut moss
does git bash come with vim
void void
yes
wide chasm
I don't know, somewhere on a repo there is a long commit message with me begging for someone to save me from the terminal :)
void void
and it's default
uncut moss
first time it opened vim without me having ever used it i panicked when i couldn't exit and just hit a lot of buttons and fucked something up
void void
unless you explicitly set it to nano or sth else
void void
i used (neo)vim for years as my main text editor/half ide-like thing
switched to emacs recently
void void
i still edit some smaller things in vim though
docker-compose ymls etc
tfw when you think you finished your code, but one thing doesn't exactly work
uncut moss
f
void void
I forgot to do this java for (String msg : msgToSend) { for(Player p : Bukkit.getOnlinePlayers()) { p.sendMessage(Utilities.chat(msg)); } } but instead p.sendMesasge(msg);
minor badge
oh yet another auto message shit?
void void
What's a way to easily corrupt a mc world?
uncut moss
for loops are overrated just spam 30 lines of sendmessage
@void void Press delete key on it
upper flicker
dd some random shit over the region files
cunning raft
rm -rf /
void void
I mean I don't feel like deleting my Linux install but if it makes it corrupt
Alright ty
xD
fallen oracle
Yum
void void
Accidentally deleted server on my other pt gonna tell the players the world got corrupt lmao
fallen oracle
LOL
void void
Lile hosted on the mc server
minor badge
@void void cat region_file | shuf > region_file.new && mv region_file{.new,} also works :p
void void
Ight thanks prox
fallen oracle
LuckPerms++
modest gorge
so how easy is mode 1 anti-xray to bypass for players versus mode 2? and how much a perf hit is mode 2 over 1?
uncut moss
@modest gorge probably impossible idk
fallen oracle
Engine mode go Brr Brr
uncut moss
it's just making the client think there's ores everywhere how tf does one bypass that
modest gorge
we're on mode 1 but I'm pretty sure we have someone xraying already and we're not even public yet
guess I should turn on mode 2 and see
warm anchor
Just gather a list of diamond mined by player and go by that. It works better than trying to block the view tbh
uncut moss
if you're gonna ban x-rayers just ban 75% of your playerbase and you're done
fallen oracle
Make them screenshare when they login
uncut moss
minecraft is boring without x-ray lol
it's not even harder, just takes time and is boring as fuck
minor badge
engine mode 2 makes compression ass btw
slim nymph
warm anchor
mining is part of the game and most hardcore SMP players actual love it
uncut moss
aikar is getting evicted
minor badge
america pepega moment
slim nymph
so, your saying is its best to disable barty, then use detection, so you can ban them easier lol
well if you prevent it, and cant detect them, they may get away with other cheating
warm anchor
idk I run a community that play many games so we actually dont encounter much issue with Xrayers
it's usually the one that just joined and doenst like to chill
slim nymph
diamonds are kinda a poor mans currency for our server
"promo items" (aka custom items) is the real value
warm anchor
yeah
slim nymph
people are all over collecting every custom item
uncut moss
how many players does emc have
warm anchor
or admin's head 
modest gorge
I'd rather get rid of people willingly breaking our rules. so be it if our community gets smaller
slim nymph
we avg 85-100 during peak online
slim nymph
well its 30-40 at 4am
modest gorge
lol
uncut moss
european players
warm anchor
yeah I agree with vive tbh
normal player
the classic one
wont cheaeete
the only ever Xrayer we got are those kids without mic lol no joke
modest gorge
turning the server on is all some people need to cheat, so not gonna take away some moral lesson here. just asked about the anti-xray utility
not what i asked, but appreciate opinions
warm anchor
same. Everyone has different approach
uncut moss
if a server has anti xray i say fuck that and leave
i'm not spending 6 hours for 10 diamonds
fallen oracle
Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, and most of them are ass.
minor badge
i'd use the antixray if it didn't hurt instamining
warm anchor
you reminds me of seeing a dude with 2 assholes Glare. The PTSD is coming back
minor badge
or even without that, especially with regards to players going "oh but it was there??? why's it gone???"
minor badge
i think he called you two-assed, glare
warm anchor
better than half ass'd /s
minor badge
you never know, maybe glare's sexuality benefits from it
warm anchor
fallen oracle
uncut moss
oh i thought the editor was redesigned
fallen oracle
That was too
uncut moss
eh that looks ok
gaunt ridge
which IDE (for java) would y’all recommend me which is similar to visual studio?
twin lagoon
intellij best
worthy zenith
^
uncut moss
damn you really love VS don't you
gaunt ridge
intellij best
I tried this already, I really like it, but I can’t resize the font :/
minor badge
i mean red hat has a plugin for java for vscode
uncut moss
java in vs code is so shit
gaunt ridge
I changed that already but it does nothing
uncut moss
would be dumb to have a setting that does nothing
minor badge
then it probably also has a warning clearly stating that its being overridden
gaunt ridge
would be dumb to have a setting that does nothing
Yeah idk
uncut moss
because it does do something
worthy zenith
did you click ok or apply?
uncut moss
either it needs a restart or is being overridden
gaunt ridge
Yes
minor badge
it doesnt need a restart
uncut moss
idk
worthy zenith
you have to edit the custom font in the appearance settings of intellj, maybe you edited the presentation font
that or the editor font settings
gaunt ridge
that or the editor font settings
I’ll try that tomorrow, I’m going to sleep now. Thanks y’all 💪🏻
simple sigil
worn pasture
Thaaaanks barty
pine lion
idle spindle
upper flicker
be pretty dumb
how dumb kinda depends on what, but they generally only add async catcher to places where plugins are actually causing problems
slim nymph
so you rathr it crash your server through world corruption instead
well def dont bring that up to Spigot devs, spigot doesnt have that check lol
tell the plugin dev to fix their shit
static badge
pretty sure spigot catches the async save
as I pr'd that to them
but like world save, can't remember if there's any api around chunk save
pretty sure there is no api for chunk save
the reason the catcher is there because you can really fuck your shit up if you allow it
uncut moss
what happens if i buy a domain from google domains even though it says it's not available in my country
uncut moss
wtf is .google a tld
cosmic raft
yes
void void
yes
uncut moss
nifty
peak dirge
amdgpu is pretty good
void void
i should buy a dedi gpu some day
limber knotBOT
dedi gpu?
void void
except i'd need passive cooling
uncut moss
discrete?
peak dirge
I got an RX 580, works nicely for my current needs
slender jay
damn that 10900K
peak dirge
though I'm upgrading away from that down the road
slender jay
intels back in the game
void void
i'm on vega 8, good enough for minecraft and quake
uncut moss
what kind of screen flashes
void void
i'd just want the disc gpu for some cooler temps
uncut moss
oh
peak dirge
@slender jay not really - look at how much power it consumes. Sure, it's got a lot of performance, but that performance comes with temperatures you could fry an egg with.
And anyway I'm pretty sure Zen 3 will drop and will destroy Comet Lake yet again
slender jay
temps compared to the previous one are much much lower
and it goes from 3.whatever base to 5.0 when you remove limits
uncut moss
competition is good
void void
more skylake
peak dirge
Intel hasn't been able to get 10nm working and Comet Lake is something like the 7th or 8th refresh of Skylake, lame shit when AMD has been pushing hard with Zen
uncut moss
when ryzen 3600 came out it sold more than all intel cpus combined for like a week on mindfactory
slender jay
yeah amd won that round for sure
peak dirge
Okay, they have working 10nm silicon, but they can't produce it in noticeable quantities
void void
intel should buy out a part of TSMC or smthin
peak dirge
You can buy a few laptops with 10nm silicon but that's it
void void
and clearly that isn't working out to well
cunning raft
????
peak dirge
Intel will probably outsource production to other fabs
Their 10nm barely produces and their 14nm is too busy producing Xeons (the real money makers)
void void
agreed
uncut moss
14nm+++++++++++++++
cunning raft
Intel's main problem is they were caught by surprise because they got to cocky
their fabs are the problem
void void
thats what happens cos of monopolies
cunning raft
Intel has tons of capacity, more than AMD
peak dirge
AMD has to fight for capacity at TSMC
peak dirge
But I think the capacity problem for them is solved right now
slender jay
blazing shoal
void void
da fuk does checkmark mean
slender jay
true
cunning raft
and price to perf exists
cunning raft
????
uncut moss
it's not that big of a difference
void void
i have an amd dedi
peak dirge
Honestly, paying a lot more, with much higher temps and power consumption, for a 30fps bump from my R5 3600 is a bad trade
void void
its awsome
uncut moss
also 10900k should compete against zen 3 flagship, not current ryzen
zen 2 is almost a year old now
10900k vs 4990x
cunning raft
intel will be back tho
uncut moss
that's not even the best one
cunning raft
give them a few years
peak dirge
A 10 core flagship where AMD has a 16 core flagship halo chip...
void void
wait corona renderer wtf
void void
ok, just first i've heard of that benchmark
uncut moss
it's a conspiracy by the chinese government
cunning raft
doubt it
slender jay
poor cooling will keep it from reaching the boosts
cunning raft
intel has very reliable cpus
slender jay
i meant turbo wise
cunning raft
that's another thing they have over amd
slender jay
this time intels cooling is way way better
they did someting with the die and heat spreader
should be an improvement over the 9900
void void
well not way way better, but it'll help with saving money on the cooling system
slender jay
but i think it will still have issues in poorly cooled data centers
void void
i think intel should let their engineers at it instead of having business in control
fallen oracle
I don't trust the virus
slender jay
actually they are both
void void
exactly
slender jay
fuck that reminded me, i should be studying
void void
you can study whenever, you can't always argue about intel
fallen oracle
I finished last week. It feels so good.
void void
nice, do you like uni?
fallen oracle
Barty let's make a server
Summer hobby
Damn
I'll have to find money somewhere else then.
celest coyote
Data centers dont use mainstream cpus in any large quantities
Companies like cloudflare and nvidia are going all in on amd cpus
mighty storm
worthy zenith
amd has gpus and cpus
fleet osprey
anyone here have any experience with deeplearning4j? and just machine learning in general
worn pasture
1.8 pvp
fallen oracle
Pay 2 Lose
worn pasture
offline mode
uncut moss
reee cloudflare
worn pasture
oh lol nvm, he left, again
void void
idiots?
potent fossil
do those ppl in admincraft just ree at offline mode or do they verify it's not operating in bungee mode first
fallen oracle
Why is it bad to be in a discord with a bunch of Minecraft hosts?
void void
why are you still here then?
potent fossil
what
fallen oracle
What
potent fossil
i have no fucking idea what's going on now
void void
well presumably this is also a discord full of minecraft hosts
fallen oracle
Why would you assume that
uncut moss
a lot of the ones on admincraft are here as well
but I never see them write anything in here
warm anchor
Let’s all agree people frequent here are all cool 
tired heath
Hi, can somebody recommend me a Silk Spawner plugin for 1.15.2, at least Java 11+ and kinda in active development/supported?
ty
Could be premium as well
uncut moss
At least Java 11?
uncut moss
Bit strange to require a minimum java version
tired heath
@uncut moss some of them still need jre 8
tame pendant
i think he just means works on java 11
if it works, there's noproblem ofunny
does https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/silkspawners-★-ready-for-1-13-1-14-and-up-to-1-15-2-★.7811/ work?
tame pendant
it says requires java 8 but it should still work on java 11
tired heath
a ok
vestal jasper
@potent fossil afaik timings differentiates between bungee offline mode and offline mode
also 9/10 times the person literally announces they're running a cracked server
tired heath
Funny, why does the dev claim it than
tired heath
A ok got it 😄
uncut moss
only stuff that breaks with java 11 is stuff that isn’t commonly used in plugins
warm anchor
yeah
tired heath
I got problems with Minecord, so that's why I ask so stupid
warm anchor
Hey ofunny this is the one I used. I mean the plug in is simple enough. It's really hard to fuck up
tired heath
So thanks, I'm going to use it
warm anchor
I sent you in DM the one I used. The link is super long for some reason so dont wanna post here
LOL
took us about 3 minute to get the perm right. Then never had a need to change anything after so yeah
uncut moss
minecord breaking with java 11 is weird
i doubt anything that’s removed in java 11 is used in that plugin
tired heath
@uncut moss to be honest, I tried it out with 14 but after asking the dev he said it has to be 8
uncut moss
14 makes more sense
tired heath
so maybe it will work on 11
uncut moss
but most likely works on 11
tired heath
I don't care about 14 anyways since is no LTS, I wanted to test it
uncut moss
still not that many breaking changes between 8 and 14 except Applets and Java EE
snow coral
uncut moss
and not any that’s used in plugins really
tired heath
I don't remember the error, but it will not work on 14, maybe will in the future
uncut moss
weird
warm anchor
well I hope the one we suggested works out for you. It's a simple plug in and probably impossible to fuck up (I hope)
tired heath
I'm just checking it out, prop. installing it tomorrow. If it can drop a spawner, has a permission
Works stable, it will be fine
polar sonnet
good eveneing everyone
slender jay
almost morning
orchid mist
What's morning?
polar sonnet
now please give me paperspigot source
limber knotBOT
@polar sonnet [Auto] We're now known as Paper.
polar sonnet
what is a groupid again
vestal jasper
the id of a group
feral sequoia
void void
wassup
feral sequoia
looking for a 1.7.10 paper jar
void void
i dont think it exists
feral sequoia
it does
void void
check the github thing
feral sequoia
https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper-1.7, the bukkit repos are down and cant build it myself
void void
sending of the jars isnt really allowed, build it yourself
tame pendant
here's the link for the old versions https://papermc.io/legacy
feral sequoia
it is before legacy 😉
tame pendant
but it doesnt include 1.7
feral sequoia
mhmm
tame pendant
why do u need 1.7 anyway? That hasn't had updates in years
vestal jasper
you're unlikely to get it
void void
why is it not on the build bot
waxen panther
👋
vestal jasper
it's insanely out of date
void void
ok lol
feral sequoia
it still exists tho
vestal jasper
we meme about paper 1.8 being out of date but I've only seen like 3 people asking for paper for 1.7.X in the 1-2 years I've been here
waxen panther
Just go pay for a overpriced $50000 1.7.10 paper fork on mc market like all the other people clinging onto it for no reason
vestal jasper
you're new here huh
feral sequoia
scroll up about 20 messages
pulsar wigeon
you're on your own here
waxen panther
no one likes 1.7.10
void void
of course
feral sequoia
all i asked was if anyone had a jar, if you dont just say no or dont say anything,, no reason to be toxic
waxen panther
its annoying that people still ask about it tbh
pulsar wigeon
you were told no almost immediately
feral sequoia
bruh im not asking for support, literally just say "nah sorry"
vestal jasper
you've already gotten your answer tbh I'm not sure what your goal is at this point
pulsar wigeon
you were the one insisting that we must be able to give it to you somehow
vestal jasper
you're not winning this
feral sequoia
you were told no almost immediately
@pulsar wigeon just because 1 person doesnt does not mean someone else might
void void
all of you guys needa chill honestly
waxen panther
z750 told you no when you asked in paper help
void void
fs
waxen panther
idk why you thought it'd be different in general
void void
i would just use 1.8
feral sequoia
void void
its not much different
warm anchor
void void
if you want old version
feral sequoia
the thing about 1.8 is that they patched the thing that lets you reset anvil costs by resetting :\
vestal jasper
so they fixed an exploit? oh nooooo
feral sequoia
also imagine kicking someone because you dont like the same version of minecraft they do
vestal jasper
⚠️ Please do not ping project staff, contributors, or notable persons directly. Ask your questions to the channel flat out.
warm anchor
vestal jasper
no you were kicked because you can't read and broke a rule 
warm anchor
^
vestal jasper
Doesn't matter, says not to ping them
waxen panther
I mean you could make a plugin that emulates the 1.8 anvil cost reset lol
Either way no one is going to be supportive of outdated versions here
warm anchor
BUT THAT WILL MAKE SENSE BROCCOLAI
void void
pinging on discord is considered a crime DONT DO IT
waxen panther
It's bad for the community and just slows down everythign else
waxen panther
z said no
warm anchor
They did said no in #paper-help
pulsar wigeon
we literally said no 100 times now
waxen panther
you asked in here again
warm anchor
lol
vestal jasper
we literally all have said no please fucking read
pulsar wigeon
keep it up i'll ban you
feral sequoia
bruh what am i even doing wrong
feral sequoia
im defending myself against toxicity
pulsar wigeon
you're literally just arguign
warm anchor
LOL
upper flicker
lol
pulsar wigeon
fuck off
vestal jasper
lol
waxen panther
vestal jasper
or go find a 1.7.10 community
warm anchor
But then it will require him to actually do work. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here
vestal jasper
people who care about 6 year old versions of the game
or listen to what z told you
upper flicker
1.7.3 beta was the best version
void void
eh
upper flicker
yes keepitfresh
void void
i used 1.6 before
vestal jasper
honestly z paper for b1.7.3 when
void void
paper superior
1.7.2 was my favourite in 2014
imma be real hoenst
old minecraft is a bit overhyped
it was the community that was the best part of it
not the gameplay itself.
feral sequoia
alright thanks so much for the help, someone pmed me the file
void void
old minecraft community > new community
fallen oracle
You guys actually play the game?
feral sequoia
dumbasses
void void
i watched a server die out
warm anchor
lol
void void
it closed down
potent warren
The fuck are they doing to my favourite programming language.. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/585752545394294789/712850526034722897/Screenshot_20200521-031253.png
void void
sad
waxen panther
dumbasses
upper flicker
lol take your angst elsewhere
potent warren
Welp, they're breaking C# with weird changes
void void
it was on 1.8
warm anchor
I bet you 100% no one DM'd him the file. He said so to save face
fallen oracle
No they don't
upper flicker
no they were banned shortly after that comment
fallen oracle
My localhost server has been up for 6 years.
void void
lol
warm anchor
LOL
upper flicker
damn mods beating me to the good bans
vestal jasper
hurrr durrr people were mean to me on the internet and instead of fucking off and leaving on my own accord I try to defend myself and make them even more mean to me why am I such a victim :((((
void void
impossible
waxen panther
remarkable amount of boilerplate code literally 6 lines
fallen oracle
I haven't even gotten to ban someone yet 😭
vestal jasper
glare ban me
pulsar wigeon
k we just gonna circlejerk now
vestal jasper
save me from this hell
potent warren
All servers die out
except for Hypixel
tbh Hypixel is the server that should be dead..
void void
^
warm anchor
Were you here when a guy wants to plae Hypickle?
void void
The reason why Hypixel is alive is because it appeals to the majority of the playerbase.
13 year olds.
hypixel had a queue a few days ago
that scared me
Hypixel has no competition...
Literally nobody can ever compare to it.
potent warren
They're a bit retard for that... Running a 10k player queue on bungee... Time to lag everyone else.
The reason why Hypixel is alive is because it appeals to the majority of the playerbase.
And because they made it so it convinces kids to get ranks
potent warren
They probably round it
Or something
Their queue has always worked like that afaik
@void void they just want people to get ranks
void void
nope
potent warren
Yes.
void void
me playing minecraft died out in 2017
potent warren
Hmmm
fallen oracle
potent warren
People still play bedwars... I think.. every time I go to the bedwars lobby, they're just saying random fractions (I know it's party size LUL)
warm anchor
idk judging by official MC lgf, it is still fairly popular
void void
Minecraft made a huge revival though a long time ago.
void void
2019
When Pewdiepie started playing Minecraft
the 1.13 was cool but nah
what did they take them
1.9
1.10
1.11
1.12
fallen oracle
20 TPS after 6 years is pretty good, eh?
potent warren
Can't we go back to 1.5.2 /s
void void
1.13 oh here i am
potent warren
Seems fake to me
fallen oracle
Why would it be fake?
potent warren
Dunno, why would it.
waxen panther
absolute scam
potent warren
I don't trust Spanish speaking people /s
potent warren
Isn't EssX dead anyway?
fallen oracle
No?
potent warren
jkjk
void void
LuckPerms
fallen oracle
I plugman the server jars too
potent warren
LuckPerms is dope
void void
^
fallen oracle
That's how I'm on the latest build of paper without losing downtime
potent warren
Wtf
fallen oracle
I give the best quality uptime to my players
potent warren
Sounds fake, again
fallen oracle
Never goes does
waxen panther
void void
plugman only applies to plugins right?
void void
my ass lol
sharp sentinel
Lol PlugMan causes so many random issues with just plugins
Imagine using it for the server jar
Spigot's classloading hacks would set the machine on fire
potent warren
I barely trust Aikar.. and he's the creator of this mess.. let alone you..
fallen oracle
void void
You gotta give massive credits to that.
potent warren
Who's that from?
waxen panther
fuck you
sharp sentinel
citation needed
potent warren
No, not that
waxen panther
i clicked it
potent warren
I'm asking Glare.
Have your waterfall proxy not disconnect the players and keep heartbeating them until the server is up 
sharp sentinel
That reminds me I gotta do some extensive testing of Aikar's flags - In some quick testing one of the flags seemed detrimental on 1.15.2
sharp sentinel
No
void void
just use viaversion
sharp sentinel
Use the latest version
potent warren
There was a bungee plugin for doing that afaik
void void
so you can have 1.8-1.15
sharp sentinel
Latest version with ViaBackwards
void void
nah
fallen oracle
I think it moved them to like fake server or something
void void
the only thing bad about 1.12.2 is dupes
sharp sentinel
This "old version is best version" cult following is super dumb
sharp sentinel
Because 2b2t encourages its players to break everything
potent warren
I think it moved them to like fake server or something
Really? I thought it just kept heartbeating the player until the proxy can connect back.
void void
idk I heard that 1.14.4 and 1.15.2 takes a toll on preformance
With pillagers and etc.
sharp sentinel
1.15.2 performs better in many aspects than 1.12.2, and worse in others
sharp sentinel
With the improvements Paper makes, especially more recent ones, it's better from my testing
potent warren
@fallen oracle found it https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/bungee-reconnect.16429/
void void
it seems that there are significant changes to 1.15
im trying them out now
would you guys say 1.15.2 paper is good?
sharp sentinel
Yeah
warm anchor
idk the last time 2b2t has 20 tps idk what you mean about performance when you list a server that's famous for it's super laggy state lol
sharp sentinel
Also do note most plugins etc don't support old versions
void void
They don't update to 1.14.4 or 1.15.2
sharp sentinel
So if you have a problem and need support, you're out of luck
void void
paper utilizes latest stuff
Due to the massive issues that would happen to the server
Ah ok.
Most plugins support 1.12.2
but I'm fine with 1.15.2
It's not bad right?
sharp sentinel
Most plugins /run on/ 1.12.2, but the devs won't support it
sharp sentinel
There's a big difference between will work and support
waxen panther
They normally just provide the ability to download old versions of the plugin that were out when 1.12 was
sharp sentinel
Eg, WorldEdit runs on every version since Multiplayer was added. If you ask for support on Alpha 1.2.2 or whatever I'll tell you to go away
void void
How come a lot of servers are on 1.13.2
waxen panther
But don't fix bugs etc on them
void void
or a bit younger?
i would not update to 1.15 from 1.12.2
only like SMP servers are 1.15
cause there were alot of differences
but not networks
sharp sentinel
Most plugins will only support the latest versions of their plugin
sharp sentinel
Eg, latest WG supports 1.14&1.15, so therefore those versions are "supported". Latest WE supports 1.13.2-1.15.2, therefore those versions are supported.
void void
Alright.
sharp sentinel
You can use WE&WG on older versions sure, but won't receive support or bugfixes etc
void void
then ig ill use 1.15.2
with viabackwards
I mean if you guys say paper 1.15.2's preformance is good
I'll take your word.
potent warren
Why ViaBackwards instead of ProtocolSupport
void void
gonna use 1.15.2
it says Adds 1.12, 1.11., 1.10., 1.9., 1.8., 1.7., 1.6., 1.5.*, 1.4.7 clients support to your spigot 1.12.2 server
nvm there is 1.15.2 version
potent warren
The description is outdated ;-;
warm anchor
What's the point to allow players in older version to join if they can just install newer version 
void void
meh
potent warren
What's the point to allow players in older version to join if they can just install newer version :Think:
Freedom of choice
void void
justs cause
potent warren
Well, players are retarded.
void void
^
potent warren
Welp, users.
waxen panther
I wouldn't want someone that can't change versions on my server
void void
🤣
warm anchor
you'd rather have those players in your server? sounds more of a headache to me lol
waxen panther
they'd have to be 3 years old
void void
true lol.
warm anchor
If one cant even figure out how to switch version of MC on launcher
It's as simple as 2 click
void void
^
potent warren
If your server doesn't rely on anything 1.15 related, just let 1.14+ join.
void void
they can be lazy
i think majority of my plugins will be 1.15.2
omg but i need to get a villager optimizer and pillage limiter for 1.15.2
😢
potent warren
Doesn't paper have that already?
warm anchor
No you dont. Follow the optimize instruction
void void
oh nvm then
warm anchor
When you encounter an issue, the first step should be optimize it NOT finding a plug in for it
void void
eh
potent warren
Fork it and fix it 😉
void void
depends on your experience with servers
I don't have that much.
I only search up basic optimizations on spigot forums for paper
then copy paste
potent warren
That's your problem. Looking for paper stuff on Spigot.
waxen panther
.optimise
warm anchor
That will still give you better outcome than use stuff like ETF lmao
limber knotBOT
additional tips for improving server performance - https://www.spigotmc.org/posts/3684550
waxen panther
not really a problem, big guides like that one include paper.yml settings lol
void void
"That's your problem. Looking for paper stuff on Spigot."
I looked for optimizations on spigot lol
warm anchor
Given that you aint running server on potatos or paying summer host for that
potent warren
Hmmmm
potent warren
Running on potatoes? What do you consider a potato?
warm anchor
shockbyte 
warm anchor
There are probably a million of them
void void
Essentials economy.
Gringotts.
not essentialsX
Don't install essnetialsx
just essentials itself
I have my own core plugin that basically steals has the essentialsx features I need
ah
then use the economy plugin
that is already within
??
potent warren
Remind me again why people use those kinds of hosts instead of just renting a VPS?
potent warren
VPSes can be cheap I think
warm anchor
They have only $2 budget but they wanna be next hypixel
potent warren
There's no unique ideas. Everything has already been made 30 times...
void void
In terms of Minecraft?
void void
It doesn't necessarily have to be FRESH, it can be a spinoff to a popular thing.
I just wanted to ask a question but I guess I'll head back to googleing
Nah, there are tons of unique gamemodes on Minecraft.
I found an RTS mini-game.
warm anchor
if you can list it, it isnt unique anymore
potent warren
If it's a spin off, then it's not unique.
void void
I mean
If people can come up with Skyblock
people can come up with their own idea
or server.
*servermode
Or get a prexisting idea, and make it better
Like what towny did to factions.
potent warren
Am I the only one that finds Hypixel's skyblock twist so weird and confusing?
void void
It's too much of a grind.
warm anchor
towny is basically faction with different names and a fancier gui lol
void void
but you can make a lot of real-world money off of hypixel
and less of a war aspect too.
I made $240 off of hypixle skyblocky
potent warren
Hypixel is secretly pay-to-win
void void
I know someone who made 30-50 dollars a day off of Hypixel skyblock
it's real life trading
lol
Selling macro clients.
damn
ngl but
I'm a dev on a server with a rise-1 and they make on average $20 a month
pretty good network setup, Should I steal
||jk||
potent warren
don't steal ideas...
void void
20 dollars a month is p good imio.
potent warren
casually, make your own twist of them
void void
Don't steal ideas, Steal server setups!
Most indepedent servers don't even make it past a couple of days.
Steal server setups, then sell them.
the server does pretty good imo
10-15 ||network|| average
warm anchor
You guys completely ignored those community who host for fun not for gains lol
can $20 even pay for the managing time
void void
You can't gain from a Minecraft server lol.
Only like Hypixel can
^
if you wanna gain money from a minecraft server
be a famous ass youtuber
and then make your server p2w
If you come into server managment for money, you won't go far.
potent warren
no, don't.. just make a server where you bully unranked people until they get a rank.. or many.. that's what hypixel does LOL
void void
also there are a lot of big servers still raking in massive cash even though the EULA changed.
I mean you could make your server pw2
p2w*
hypixel's pay to play
but it only works if there is a large playerbase
you legit need to pay to get into skyblock
2b2t and EarthMC are pay to play too lol.
Imagine how much money 2b2t and EarthMc rake in.
or right now pretty much the entire network
warm anchor
Half of the cringe youtuber basically admin abuse server members for videos 
void void
there's a fuckin queue
are you sure there is queue?
I haven't logged in
for a long time
there is
usually 1K
potent warren
there's a queue from time to time
void void
How about create a fake queue system that is full
potent warren
from time to time, hypixel gives you these random cosmetic boxes that require a rank to open..
void void
In order to get people to buy priority queue>
???
that shouldn't be too hard
just use junk bots
Scumbag move, but if the server is overhyped you will rank in cash
aka vanitymc
I know this one server
SaicoPvP, they fucking spoof 2000+ players
potent warren
SaicoPvP.. where did I hear that name from?
potent warren
CreepersEdge?
void void
btw, how do faction servers afford to pay top factions weekly???
They give huge payouts.
potent warren
btw, how do faction servers afford to pay top factions weekly???
they don't
it's all smoke and mirrors
void void
So it's fake.
potent warren
not sure
void void
you can't really make money from minecraft servers
^
you can make money from running minecraft server hosts