@|wizjany hey wud u be interested in dis links
#general
vestal jasper
No but I'm gonna decompile / update it after work today
acoustic pilot
arguably i'd say #2 is what is "missing most" and what people would've wanted to see
with AWE i guess i get it, there's a financial motivation there, he sold his work
vestal jasper
Dw Bart I'ma git it after
acoustic pilot
but FAWE was all free so no idea what their excuse was
vestal jasper
Anyway break time over bye
pulsar wigeon
does it have lootboxes barty
acoustic pilot
being selfish isn't really that bad 😛
"oh i gotta pay my bills" is also selfish 😄
golden gust
I would sooner shoot myself than shove something of barties on my server
quasi valley
Yes please
golden gust
no
woven otter
cat u r rood
static badge
tbh the iq here would rise
quasi valley
Leaf at it again to lower it
serene bolt
btw barty when your server didnt support 1.15.2 like two days ago, the unsupported version text that it shows was literally so long it was going off the screen and made your server hard to even see, because it was showing all of your supported versions which was like a ton of versions
tacit river
fresh granite
void void
nothing has hit me harder than realizing that O'Brien's kid is older than me IRL now
limber knotBOT
His kid was younger than you before?
void void
In the show.
limber knotBOT
😬
limber knotBOT
i r cp
hard kernel
ty
limber knotBOT
yw
austere ivy
chat is async, correct?
limber knotBOT
acoustic pilot
chat is async but plugins can end up forcing it to sync
magic pier
You can use PlayerChatEvent but it's not recommended
hard kernel
void void
for good reason, if you ever think you need sync chat you're wrong and need to go into a sensory deprivation chamber
acoustic pilot
never use PlayerChatEvent, it will force chat to sync
magic pier
Yeah but the option is there if you need it
acoustic pilot
no, it shouldn't be considered an option ever.
austere ivy
if it's not ever useful, why is it still there?
void void
compat
acoustic pilot
deprecation takes time to fully see through
deft bone
acoustic pilot
but yes probably should've been removed completely by now
austere ivy
alright then why doesn't it just hook into asyncplayerchatevent?
if pce's constructor is fired, just fire apce, that kind of thing?
void void
because compat. plugins that uses it years ago are expecting a sync context inside of its handler
void void
if they changed it, everything will blow up
but yea fuck those plugins, it should be removed now
austere ivy
seems like forcing chat to sync isn't worth it for compat, does it force chat to sync permanently (until restarted)?
austere ivy
if you listen for pce would that cause chat to sync?
austere ivy
register as in construct or register as in register an eventhandler
that's pretty interesting
void void
i think if you just looked at the code for chat you'll understand. it's really not mindblowing
austere ivy
where would I go to find that?
acoustic pilot
where the event is called in the server lol
topaz mortar
Kill the PCE. Legacy shit MD has fun of. 😄
void void
clone paper, patch it, then look at the code
austere ivy
would craftbukkit suffice?
austere ivy
mm no
void void
i dont use cb so dont know
austere ivy
wait is it?
austere ivy
if I'm looking at it in this way, would there be no packages because of the way it's patched?
void void
?
void void
no hold on
austere ivy
I'll just clone paper
void void
line 1735 in PlayerConnection.java, NMS @austere ivy
that's the line where it decides to sync or async
austere ivy
did paper p
void void
k
you want to look in the net.minecraft.server inside of the PaperServer folder, PlayerConnection.java, line 1735
golden gust
the async chat event is fired on the calling thread, e.g. not always async, but generally should be
austere ivy
if it would go any faster
golden gust
if you're using the sync event, the task to fire the event will be thrown onto main if it's not already
void void
IJ has to index the entire project, and paper is big brian
so it takes a good amount of time
golden gust
inb4 patching on windows
austere ivy
still decompiling ._.
golden gust
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.whois server.properties
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woven otter
.whois papermc.io
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austere ivy
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pulsar wigeon
poor bot getting abused
proud lance
.whois wizjany
woven otter
void void
the * means an estimation
austere ivy
does net.minecraft.server not use packages at all?
void void
at least the one we get doesnt
austere ivy
there's absolutely no separation of anything
void void
internally at mojang probably
topaz mortar
Apply Mojang mapping to the server jar and brighten your life.
void void
austere ivy
me: hmm oh wow mojang offers mappings?
me: clicks download button
FBI and CIA and the cops: busts down door HOLD IT RIGHT FRIKIN THERE
golden gust
mojang removes all packages bar the bootstrap, basically
topaz mortar
@austere ivy Minecraft has a proper package structure before obfuscation.
austere ivy
it's so strange because this is Mojang code.
the biggest video game on earth, ever
and I'm looking at the very internals of it
I dunno feels weird a bit
void void
lol
austere ivy
it's strange because I thought it'd be so much more professional or something I don't know what to expect
I expected like god-tier abstraction and everything makes perfect sense
golden gust
mfw
void void
golden gust
it's a 10 year old codebase
austere ivy
but then I see PlayerConnection and then a separate PlayerConnectionUtils with a bunch of static methods
golden gust
written by some guy who literally didn't know java
austere ivy
and I'm like wait couldn't utils for one thing just be put in the other class and I thought util classes were bad 
it's a 10 year old codebase but doesn't every codebase go through refactorings quite often?
mine do I guess
topaz mortar
Markus Person started it while studying. So it was awfull. Getting better from version to version.
golden gust
Well, yea...
austere ivy
it's so weird I feel like a kid in a zoo ro something like "wOW LOOK AT THAT!!"
void void
brian's first day exploring minecraft server implementations
golden gust
Refactoring stuff properly takes time, especially if you wanna do it properly
void void
that took you forever
topaz mortar
Yes Cat. Refactoring is a continuous process.
austere ivy
this feels so exhilarating and so disappointing at the same time
so this is literally the only thing that makes it a command?
._.
golden gust
Don't use strings
void void
meaning?...
golden gust
beyond that, there ain't too much you can do to improve that, it's a trivial map lookup
austere ivy
I thought there'd be like EnumCommandFactoryBuilder.getInstance().BUILDER.getCommandType("COMMAND").build().retrieve() and other crazy stuff but no, it's literally checking if it starts with / ._.
void void
im willing to bet you're straight up pulling a user out of a db synchronously on every block break
im willing to bet you're straight up pulling a user out of a db synchronously on every block break
pulsar wigeon
idk simple you think they even know how to use a db?
golden gust
I've seen worse
void void
Why does every new dev make a Core
golden gust
GroupManager#onCommand
pulsar wigeon
well it could be a Main
void void
well regardless, what is Core.getUserManager().getUser() doing
golden gust
Basically, if that's a map, that is literally a non-issue
austere ivy
"managers" infuriate me, because we can't change the actual player class or something, we have to make a PlayerManager or something, or a RandomPlayer like MCMMOPlayer or FloatyPlayer or whatever just so we can add things on to the player to get custom functionality
golden gust
the only advice there is don't use a string...
void void
@austere ivy you'd like kotlin then
golden gust
There is literally no sane reason whatsoever, outside of user interaction to use strings to identify players
austere ivy
it makes a static method
void void
yes, extension methods. im well aware
austere ivy
it's just so infuriating there's no real good solution
void void
other languages have them too
of what??? its fine as is, as long as that's a map and not inducing network overhead
austere ivy
you either have a PlayerManager.getPlayerData("") or whatever which returns a CustomPlayer or something OR you have "extension methods" which are basically static methods.
golden gust
Worry about performance when it's actually an issue
golden gust
Worrying about performance when you have very little clue of what you're doing is not going to end well
void void
brian wtf are you talking about
golden gust
a simple map lookup is not something you're going to optimize much
austere ivy
I don't know sorry just a slight rant
golden gust
(assuming you're using a map and not going totally stupid in there)
void void
we're still assuming its a map bc he hasnt told us
golden gust
I mean, the question is why you're wanting to extend something like MCMMOPlayer
pulsar wigeon
how are you determining that
that line of code you showed us doesn't indicate any issues
void void
he says hes worried about cpu time, which makes me think he thinks that his code is heavy (probably because hes experiencing lag), which in turn makes me think hes shooting off a network request or some sort in his event
how are you seeing "too many resources"
ok once again, and when i say once i mean once, if you sidestep and dont answer me again im going back to what i was doing
what is that method doing
golden gust
- Use UUIDs, not strings
topaz mortar
The mining itself isn't deadly
golden gust
Basically, use proper tooling, e.g. spark or visualvm and actually address hot spots
There is no magical way to make performance fast
wtf lol
void void
bruh
void void
jesus fuck
austere ivy
oh my gosh
golden gust
That would do, yes
austere ivy
it's so adorable because it's not using a map but somehow has final sprinkled throughout
topaz mortar
Liskov substitution principle
void void
u s e t h e u u i d
pulsar wigeon
go learn java 101
void void
how nice
topaz mortar
670434816105119787
This is not using UUID.
void void
i mean yeah you're not longer linearly searching a list or array or whatever that shit was
topaz mortar
O(1) Vs O(n)
void void
thats big O notation, and it describes how complex your function is
golden gust
der
void void
a linear search is slow as fuck because worst case you check the entire list for every retrieval
austere ivy
@void void read this: https://www.javatpoint.com/collections-in-java
austere ivy
or if you want a very smol one: https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/collections-in-java-2/
just do regular hashmap
void void
because you dont need linked nodes.
if you dont know why or for what reason a linked data collection is necessary, dont use it
golden gust
y?
void void
bc stupid
stiff yarrow
Big dong notation
golden gust
https://asciinema.org/a/odInzV4m5q6wA42kOJvG36YeU just coz I wanted to see if asciicinema worked
void void
Alright I just finished my last bottle of ejuice, aaand... I'm not going to buy more. At least, I'm gonna try lol. Just gotta wait to see how them nicotine withdrawals go. :(
void void
is there a reason you're friend requesting me @void void
void void
dum fuk
golden gust
.xkcd git
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golden gust
mfw
unreal quarry
there's 27 singles near you looking to have a good time
void void
thats 27 seconds so get fucked @spare venture
read billy's message then mine.
ok retard
austere ivy
.xkcd version control
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unreal quarry
.g xkcd git
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austere ivy
that's what I JUST POSTED
void void
.xkcd irc
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unreal quarry
.g xkcd irc
austere ivy
that's not what we want
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austere ivy
huh
void void
ok billy
austere ivy
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austere ivy
poor bot alright I need to become producivity
unreal quarry
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.xkcd Billy
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austere ivy
tsk tsk billy
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golden gust
showing above 20 just confuses people
the * indicates that you're losing TPS to maintain that 20TPS, basically
void void
golden gust
i brained that wrong
But like, * == not so great as you're losing ticks, but you're still maintaining 20tps
it doesn't support your version of the server software fully and potentially relies on legacy BS
for some things, basically a non-issue other than bukkit might refuse to load them in the future, for other things, that's bad
bullshit
void void
Bowl of SHIT
golden gust
ur a bowl of shit
void void
no u
golden gust
o, wow, is 2am, wtf
limber knotBOT
same cat
I woke up at 1 pm but I-m super sleepy already
I think I might just go to bed
5 hours of nonstop dnd wears you down
woven otter
golden gust
plz do
limber knotBOT
ur not my mum
I think I'll hold off on jogging till I wake up, I'm super duper sleepy
probably also due to no longer drinking that sweet sweet caffeine
you don't
golden gust
I was reading up and apparently caffeine has no measurable impact on sleep quality
limber knotBOT
but keep striving to look as good as I do
golden gust
is like o.O
limber knotBOT
yeah that's bs cat
golden gust
but, tbh, I drink tea/coffee all the time, so like...
limber knotBOT
was that study brought to you by nespresso?
golden gust
pretty sure in part I'm just immune to caffeine
limber knotBOT
been there done that
I can feel the difference between sleeping when I'm heavily caffeinated and not
void void
youre not, you're tolerant to it, in the exact same way when you smoke a shitton of weed you get tolerant to that
limber knotBOT
namely when I drink a shitload of caffeine even when I do sleep I tend to only sleep for 6 hours
golden gust
your players data, generally periodically and onquit
austere ivy
What is the TPS of the universe?
You could point to "infinity" sure, I guess.
But is there a time so small that essentially nothing happens?
HOWEVER, you could point to something that proves it to be infinite:
austere ivy
It's a paradox, I forget the name, but essentially to move from point A to point B, you must move half from point A to point B, then half from where you are to point B, then half from there, then half from there, and so an infinite amount of things happened in a finite amount of time.
Planck time constant, there it is.
I knew it'd have something to do with the Planck size or whatever.
So, my point is:
void void
what the fuck drugs are you on dude, i swear
austere ivy
we should drop unix time, time should be measured in planck times from 1970
void void
planck time units are so unbelievably brief that you would not be able to store the amount of them since 1970
void void
???
austere ivy
time is truly just a construct
void void
what the fuck is your point...
i swear to god, i dont know how you function as a person b rian
@void void how bout you read the rules
austere ivy
my POINT is
pulsar wigeon
barty why are you so salty about being banned from EH
you don't even use it
the one time you asked a question there it was literally just you not understanding how updating plugins worked
austere ivy
I don't even know, simple
pulsar wigeon
cuz you downgraded like 5 times while trying to upgrade
austere ivy
every moment of my life I'm on the verge of a mental breakdown
stiff yarrow
me too brian, let's start a support group 
worn pasture
woven otter
let's start a support group yes
void void
i need a support group for any time brian has a half-readable brain dump in here
woven otter
I need a support for any time that you smoke weed and don't share with it
void void
im out of weed now and im gonna try and quit, along with nicotine
at the same time mind you so lets see how this goes
woven otter
vestal jasper
Sorry I'm having trouble reading those first 4 words
woven otter
you might need a support group too
vestal jasper
I need a support group for any time simple says something retarded. Which is strikingly often.
void void
which 4 words
vestal jasper
"I'm out of weed"
void void
yeah yeah
vestal jasper
Looks like Chinese to me
void void
austere ivy
I think that I'm tired of the way that my life has been going, and I'm honestly pretty done with the way I've become, and I'd like to change.
void void
then change
golden gust
am gun bed, hav fun wid simpl
austere ivy
Thanks, simple.
One of my worst traits is my procrastination, and I really should be doing something right now, so I suppose I'll do that.
I also don't like how much useless blabber I constantly chat in here so I'll only say things in any chat if they're important, from now on, so please hold me accountable to that.
stiff yarrow
it's hard to get motivated to do things when you're depressed
don't let these dinguses shape you brian
you're perfect
like a flower
austere ivy
No but I really am not. I want to change and I did change for a bit, but I got discouraged because I fell into my old habits.
stiff yarrow
you're also a river and a rainbow
austere ivy
thanks, nossr, lol.
stiff yarrow
austere ivy
wonderful thank you.
yeah but you know what I'm tired of being that person who everyone ignores because I spew sarcastic and useless comments on literally everything.
because that's my only trait on here, sure maybe in real life I'm something more but that doesn't matter, because in the "digital realm" or whatever it seems the only trait that I expose is "lul random uwu" or whatever.
stiff yarrow
pretty sure that's some guy who was really into this one cat from a specific fiction
here's my tip brian
leave discord
austere ivy
there's no other defining trait that I have on here though, not knowledgable or intelligent or wise or whatever, my one trait is that I spew random things and I'm occasionally funny to myself
austere ivy
you're right
I was so productive when I was younger
and I'm beginning to understand why I liked my younger self so much
I didn't give a crap on what other people were doing, or if I'm doing things the right way. I just did things and I made things. if I didn't know how to do something, I learned how to do it.
then I discovered Discord and I would literally hang in here 24/7 wasting my life
austere ivy
yeah, you're right.
austere ivy
did you ping me
after I literally just said about how I'm not gonna spend time over here anymore?
brave, I like it
alright I'm freakin done being the way I'm bein
I'm changing
and you all don't give a crap and that's understandable
austere ivy
oh my gosh I'm excited
for the first time in a while I'm excited about the possibilities of who I could become
and you all don't care that's so understandable and why should you care? you don't have to care
I'm just typing this out because it feels nice to get all of these internal feelings into tangible words
void void
ok
void void
ok
austere ivy
I'll see you all later, it was nice being here but after 1 year of spending far too much time here I'm taking a break, ciao
void void
ok
stiff yarrow
well hes easy to influence
void void
yes
pulsar wigeon
discord formatting kinda breaks when you block people https://i.imgur.com/whyZjYT.png
latent valve
proud lance
I dont even
I can't wait till a discord admin tells wiz he can't blacklist everyone and hes the first discord user they are moving to a whitelist
unreal quarry
nobody is
void void
thank GOD
pulsar wigeon
after tomorrow we're donezo
pulsar wigeon
public disclosure when
cosmic raft
i don't think it will be
cosmic raft
pizza or chinese food
pulsar wigeon
$250 is a looot of pizza
cosmic raft
what do i get :(
pulsar wigeon
get pho
pulsar wigeon
hmm
hot gorge
I hate the discord blocking. So useless
cosmic raft
what's wrong with blocking?
pulsar wigeon
leaves dumb space buttons all over
hot gorge
I just want whoever I block to disappear. Not just be hidden behind a grey bar
latent valve
Wiz unblock everyone that u have blocked no need to hate those people (づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ
hot gorge
No wiz is right. Screw everyone
shell vine
😳
hard kernel
n
latent valve
Discord should add: block counter haha
hard kernel
void void
oh wow jfif is a real format
shell vine
yea 2nd
void void
will you use 1tb?
well i mean, which do you value more
more memory or more disk space
idk if you wont use the extra ram, take the extra disk. if you wont use the extra disk, take the ram
id just take the disk then
well think theoretically as its already hypothetical
¯_(ツ)_/¯
this hard tea is hard not to just straight up chuuuug bc i cant taste the alc
it just tastes like hydrating tea
limber knotBOT
how many more teas do you need
void void
its sold as "hard" tea
shell vine
ice tea and alchol is actually pretty good
void void
On my 21st Birthday I had a drink called "Long Island Iced Tea"
Which, is not iced tea at all
It's one of the strongest alcoholic drinks in the world
Which i didn't know
shell vine
thats where they just put every type together right
latent valve
Barty what host u using?
void void
its 5 things
vodka, tequila, rum, triple sec, and gin
plus some coca cola for the taste
This drink? This drink will FUCK you up.
void void
Hey...ya like jazz?
shell vine
ive switched from ovh to reliable and back to ovh lol
void void
However, on my 21st, I had that right
Then....
I ordered something called "Adios Motherfucker"
which if you can guess
finished me off
yes
shell vine
lottt of problems, idk if theyre better now but, network and hardware issues that drove me crazy dealing with
void void
i was apparently talking to a toilet and got carried out by my feet
chest dragging and all
then i just slept on the sidewalk till someone came to get me
limber knotBOT
One day, I drank tea lukewarm
cosmic raft
kek
void void
Wait, you're using it for what
Ryzen 7 PRO 3700 is the top ranked single core performance processor atm
9900 is #3
not a bad choice
yea i figured
9900k isnt bad
wasnt directed at you
more the other guy
limber knotBOT
I happen to like my Ryzen 9 3950x
proud spindle
urban ginkgo
limber knotBOT
Reminder for @cosmic raft: get a life
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void void
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void void
wiz
my fiance just told me the current new style trend is
"kain pepe"
(brand)
which loosely translates to
"eat pussy"
im feeling this really weird urge to pick up my vape and take a hit
but, my vape is put away, no juice, nada
is this withdrawals?
if so, when do they stop?
proud spindle
This is withdrawals, sort of
I have no idea when they would stop. I haven't any first hand experience
void void
well ima tryna stop nic. i took the vape apart in the hopes when it gets bad ill be too lazy to put it back together
but
proud spindle
Good luck m'dude
proud spindle
Addictions are hard to bust
void void
i mean im feeling hella urge to smoke
but fuck, i need to stop
i was out of breath walking to class the other day
i was like fuck
proud spindle
Find something to distract yourself. Like chatting on discord
void void
lul
proud spindle
It's only half a joke
void void
well i replaced it with drinking for
now
i went and bought some beers
lmao im fucked up
what sane person would say that
proud spindle
Oof
void void
void void
sure idc
proud spindle
I busted my porn addiction by playing video games
Now I'm addicted to video games instead
void void
yea im addicted to that shit too
proud spindle
Perhaps this is a better conversation for DMS...
void void
yea barty im well aware, thats why im trying to quit
i am super addicted
im addicted to a few things
nic, weed (maybe?), alc, and porn
which im not bragging
im pretty ashamed
im trying to stop
proud spindle
Dont be ashamed, honestly. We all go through this stuff
void void
yea thats how it feels
when i am sober, i wanna not be
which is weird
yea, well, i'd like to be at that point but where i am now thats my natural state and if im not in that state, i feel weird
but yeah. i cold turkeyed today
nic and weed, no more
alc, will take a bit
void void
heh
anyway at another topic, this guy said he bought MBP today but?? https://proxy.spigotmc.org/849d1eef6d7e6310d31b8206866cdd9be33b0297?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FswEntsR.png
proud spindle
And even though you barely know me, my DMS are always open. Don't be ashamed to let some of it out in there.
void void
this looks like a bad linux imitation of mac
proud spindle
Lol
void void
im on mac for my daily driver but windows for gaming
void void
mac has ms office support but its not as feature rich
proud spindle
I just couldn't get used to libre
void void
but it DOES have it
void void
I use it because it's close to linux but still has a "less work involved to keep it maintained" vibe
but I do absolutely LOVE arch linux
like, that's my go to bae OS
void void
.g linux l ite
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.linuxliteos.com/ -- Linux Lite Easy to Use Free Linux Operating System: "Linux Lite is a free easy to use linux based operating system that is suitable for people who are new to linux."
void void
does it work with proton 
proud spindle
I’ll have to see if wine works for MS excel properly, doubt it does
It don't
void void
This is MacOS excel. https://f.jacob.engineer/PnFr0Fkf.png
It's just not the same.
Close.
But not the same.
proud spindle
If it isn't Microsoft. It isn't real
void void
That is MS
proud spindle
I have had this album on loop for a long long time
proud spindle
Maybe 8 hours now
I should take my headphones off
Linux, you never know about
People do all sorts of odd things
Like write kernels for webcams that haven't been manufactured since 1998 and the company that made them got bought out
void void
"but its sitting in my closet and i havent used it for 22 years....and the current driver is out of date....this is my calling.........."
proud spindle
That's about right garak
I don't even know who wrote it
Wasn't me
But there had been no kernel for years
proud spindle
And one day, plug it in, and it works again
void void
:P
proud spindle
My Swedish hacker friend had the camera
And when I say hacker
I mean legit a hacker
void void
@heady spear is it you
proud spindle
He is a programmer somewhere now
But he was nearly jailed when he was younger for being bad.
He won't go into detail, but he hacked some high profile stuff
void void
I wouldn't believe him honestly
cosmic raft
anyone here good with web api design?
void void
yes
pulsar wigeon
void void
what do you need kash
proud spindle
I would. I don't just known him casually
proud spindle
I remember that
Not really actually
I mostly know about 4chan from 2b2t
I wonder why music is so powerful in its effect on the human mind
tame pendant
Did anyone here know that Intelli uses light mode with Discord?
void void
well with his shitty plugins im not surprised
limber knotBOT
Name two of my plugins you’ve tried.
pulsar wigeon
why would he try closed source shit
static badge
wiz works for the fsf confirmed
limber knotBOT
Use my open source shit then
void void
no thanks
i dont trust it :^)
im watching this scientists vs flat earthers video and its fucking ridiculous
void void
hm im pretty drunk
cosmic raft
ok
woven otter
are you drunk enough to not get high
olive garden
are you saying that that's not ok?
olive garden
ok
void void
ok
woven otter
void void
HTTP 200
woven otter
403
undone ridge
void void
what
limber knotBOT
<Plain, simple Garak> hm im pretty drunk
limber knotBOT
void void
i didnt say it wasnt
again. not my fault you bitches arent listening
i said i replaced nic and weed with alc
vestal jasper
who are you?
vestal jasper
middle world
limber knotBOT
s/simple garak/rart garak
vestal jasper
any relation to middle earth?
limber knotBOT
Correction, <DiscordBot> <09Plain, simple Garak> read the middle world of "Plain, rart garak" vic
void void
no relation
but i misspoke
thats my cousin
read the middle word of "Plain, simple Garak" vic
vestal jasper
"of"
void void
no you fucking dumbass
limber knotBOT
fucking?
void void
yes
limber knotBOT
that's a nice name
void void
thank you
vestal jasper
"you"
void void
This is where I live, and it's also my namesake. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Fucking%2C_Austria%2C_street_sign_cropped.jpg
Fucking, Austria
vestal jasper
yeah ur fucking retarded
limber knotBOT
lmao
void void
woven otter
Fucking simple
void void
thats right
limber knotBOT
gonna tell some austrian people they have a new place to visit lmao
void void
There's also another one called Fugging
Which was originally Fucking but they changed their name
limber knotBOT
lol there's a place in Germany called Fickmühle (= Fuck mill)
limber knotBOT
I'm scared to google it
😂
wow its wikipedia article doesn't say anything about its name, sad
I want those sexy origin stories
limber knotBOT
simple I want your educated opinion on something
I had a nice discussion with a friend who told me about some maths youtuber that has his fucking hentai dvds or something just laying in his shelf behind him in his videos
and he says that neither this nor even running around naked outside would be something weird, other than maybe "huh" worthy
void void
my honest opinion is that you need to mercy kill both that youtuber and your friend
limber knotBOT
that's what I wanted to hear thanks
limber knotBOT
I really despise the python syntax ngl
it's not the worst thing ever, but it's not good either
static badge
not knowing that
void void
"my ignorance is my excuse" - vic, 2020
static badge
when did the movie come out
vestal jasper
2008
static badge
yeah I saw it when I was 8
void void
being born in the 2000s
static badge
wait vic is 17
vestal jasper
literally can you even math
woven otter
math hard
merry talon
what does it take to know python? well even spot can do it
but being an expert is fucking impossible
because of all the ass backwards and non intuitive stuff it has
merry talon
thankfully
green turret
Python itself is pretty straightforward though. It's the crazy libraries that make heavy use of operator overloading that makes things difficult :P
Then again, a lot of it boils down to familiarity. There's nothing simple about so-called "simple" for loops in C-like languages.
void void
python isnt difficult. it's just disgusting
wise pebble
aikar is mini
limber knotBOT
I have a headhunter hit me up via my github email now
green turret
The dependency resolution tool chain and the many "secretly native C++ with Python wrappers" libraries are disgusting. The language is pretty sweet. Just write some pseudo code in a txt file and change its extension to .py and it runs!
limber knotBOT
pseudo code is also disgusting
so again, easy but disgusting :D
one day I will actually reply to a headhunter and see what they are able to offer me
wide chasm
if pseudocode is disgusting
don't use Python
else
use Python
Forgot the colons!
wide chasm
It's pseudocode, there are no rules here!
limber knotBOT
stef, I'll lock you in a room with nothing but a computer with literally just python and no internet
green turret
Okay good!
limber knotBOT
bai
green turret
Indentation as syntax is great because it prevents people from being lazy about (certain bits of) code style. It's awesome. I guess you can apply linters, but it's kinda nice that it's built in.
void void
no
limber knotBOT
it still makes stuff more confusing
void void
code style should not be syntax. of course, properly indented code is holy.
but as syntax?
limber knotBOT
or less readable
green turret
If you're already doing it right, what's the problem with letting the compiler or interpreter yell at people who don't? :P
merry talon
doing it properly doesn't mean indenting every single thing
one liner if statements can be proper
green turret
I disagree.
merry talon
I just think you're factually wrong then
limber knotBOT
imo the lack of braces makes it a lot less readable https://i.imgur.com/gLXbInE.png
wide chasm
If done right, it can work. You just need to be careful to not make the compiler/interpreter not overly strict (cause then things that would improve the code style can't be done) or overly lenient (cause then you still have garbage code).
merry talon
either way, I agree it should be up to linters and the community to decide that
green turret
Wait till you hear about Go
Kenny why does the lack of braces make it less readable to you? Mass indentation is hard to read/follow in any language. That's more a matter of structure than language.
I mean the structure is the exact same. The difference is that you don't have to trace braces (and hope that the indentation matches the braces) to figure out the scope of code blocks. It's just less noise really.
limber knotBOT
I'd consider this more readable https://i.imgur.com/f2WoExd.png ¯_(ツ)_/¯
vestal jasper
having more than 3 blank lines would also make reading easier
green turret
Yeah but why?
green turret
I mean they're both horrible.
limber knotBOT
that's not the point, just the diff of no/with braces :D
vestal jasper
have no formatting
use brainfuck
limber knotBOT
exactly
green turret
But do you actually trace the braces? Or is it the whitespace that comes with the braces you like?
limber knotBOT
whitespaces don't make it better for me either (or not as good as braces)
green turret
I could understand your point if you wrote it in Allman style.
limber knotBOT
and the thing is that I started with python at school, so disliking that syntax not just a thing of pure habit - I really loved the switch to java/its general syntax
merry talon
I still think not being able to do things like
if (var) { return; }
``` is the problemor wait you don't even need the braces there
bad example
green turret
I don't understand why the braces do anything for you in K&R. The opening brace is really the same as the colon in Python, right? It just sits at the end of the line, opening a block. But if you're not actively tracing them, the closing brackets are just noise.
wide chasm
One line if statements are pretty meh imo Sweepy
vestal jasper
^
void void
green turret
Unless you write horrible code like Sweepy
limber knotBOT
Ewww iPython
vestal jasper
.kill Vertanzil
limber knotBOT
unleashes the armies of Isengard on Vertanzil.
limber knotBOT
well in the end it's just preference, some hate it, some love it
I'm not part of the latter :aaa:
wide chasm
Guard cases are good, but not in the way you write them imo
Just move that return to the next line
wide chasm
if (var) {
return;
}```ew
green turret
Yeah I understand that Kenny, I'm just trying to understand why the braces do so much for you if you aren't tracing them :P
limber knotBOT
might be cause I don't know what tracing means 😂
wide chasm
Putting the return on the same line as the if statement makes it unreadable: you expect code to go below the if, now it suddenly is on the right to it. Hopefully your if statements aren't too long, cause then the return might not be visible to begin with.
woven chasm
limber knotBOT
I use those for gtfo returns, makes me instantly see a "here's an early return and not an actual code block" https://i.imgur.com/StNWLVQ.png
green turret
Ah sorry Kenny, I mean do you keep track of how many opening braces you have seen so far so you know which scope you are in when you meet a closing brace? Because if not, then what kind of information does it convey? The same as the indentation does. That makes the braces unnecessary.
green turret
Yeah that stuff there is horrible.
wide chasm
Whether you call it code or not, it makes it harder still.
static badge
one liners are cancer change my mind
merry talon
ur cancer
wide chasm
I might be glancing over your code and then think there's a bug in there, since I expect the code below it to be part of the if statement, but surprise surprise, you put stuff to the right of the if statement.
limber knotBOT
ah, more or less yeah @mule. and when scrolling through code or greater codeblocks it simply makes me see those breaks easier than an empty line and invisible tabs 👀
(Vertanzil) Wishing Cancer - South Park.avi - length 15s - 485 likes, 10 dislikes (98.0%) - 51,924 views - Victor Moura on 2012.06.18
green turret
Sweepy I spend a lot of time reading other people's code. I can tell you that the "clever" pieces of code where people decided to condense their code for the sake of perceived brevity are the worst offenders in terms of grokking. It throws the reader off because it's an anomaly. Beginners especially tend to write code that is easy to write first and foremost. Most of the time you're not writing code that's never meant to be read again, and most of the time the amount of reads outnumber the amount of writes (you only write it once). That's why it makes sense to optimize your code for readability unless you have a very good reason not to.
limber knotBOT
while we're on the topic, do you poopl leave a blank line between class header and the first class field as well as after the last method brace or not? :aaa:
green turret
I do Kenny! Also at the bottom yes.
wide chasm
At the top, yes, not at the bottom.
limber knotBOT
I also only do the first, prolly just because I've only rarely seen the latter by other people
green turret
The reason you don't at the bottom is because the closing brace provides whitespace!
limber knotBOT
makes sense
the one difference in code style between another dev and me, working on the same project, is that empty space between last method brace and class brace
green turret
Which is why Allman style is really the superior indent style. I don't use it myself and I hate writing it, but it is objectively better for readability. I think Kevlin Henney has a nice talk about it.
limber knotBOT
which becomes oof if two classes have it done differently 👀
wide chasm
I just use what is more common in the language. For Java I use K&R, for C# I use Allman.
limber knotBOT
it really just comes down to what a particular community has adapated as a general code style
green turret
Yes, consistency is really the most important thing.
wide chasm
Imo going with what users are used to makes it easier for them to contribute, since they don't have to switch from what they are used to.
limber knotBOT
if you do allman in java, people will scream at you, if you do k&r in c, people might scream at you
green turret
Yeah what I hate most in Java is catch clauses and else if clauses because they get so cluttered.
limber knotBOT
yep, I always always try to have short early return blocks instead of cluttered if elses
green turret
Yesssss
wide chasm
Returning early is just so much nicer than having giant nested ifs
limber knotBOT
the catches are alright for me, kinda instantly makes it obvious to be a try catch
... if you don't clutter anything else, that is
green turret
Although when it's Christmas, the Christmas trees you get from nested ifs are very festive.
wide chasm
Yes, but I want my code to be readable when it's not Christmas as well 😉
cosmic raft
I don't use K&R or Allman
I use Death.
public class Permuter {
private static void permute(int n, char[] a) {
if (n == 0) {
System.out.println(String.valueOf(a)) ;}
else {
for (int i = 0; i <= n; i++) {
permute(n-1, a) ;
swap(a, n % 2 == 0 ? i : 0, n) ;}}}
private static void swap(char[] a, int i, int j) {
char saved = a[i] ;
a[i] = a[j] ;
a[j] = saved ;}}
.lart kashike
forces kashike to stare at an incredibly frustrating and seemingly never-ending IRC political debate.
wide chasm
The code style isn't even the worst imo, that print statement in there is worse.
green turret
This makes me very uncomfortable and I'm going to go make breakfast because of that.
limber knotBOT
😂
wide chasm
It's a permute method, why is it printing stuff.
cosmic raft
don't ask questions
wide chasm
I won't ask questions if you give me answers
olive garden
this is kinda a deadlock
limber knotBOT
what if the answers will make you question even more?
merry talon
blizzard has a 16 character password limit
cosmic raft
lol
limber knotBOT
remember when you cut make a 32 character rockstar pw put could only put in 30/31 in the client :aaa:
s/cut/could
Correction, <KennyTV> remember when you could make a 32 character rockstar pw put could only put in 30/31 in the client :aaa:
olive garden
MC also has a password length limit I managed to hit
limber knotBOT
seriously?
dusk drift
Password limits fucking blow my mind
wide chasm
My university has excellent password guidelines
dusk drift
when fucking companies use no symbols, 12 as their limit and no caps
merry talon
wtf and battletags are 12 chars max
I've seen longer ones
why does battle.net suck so much ass
dapper nacelle
my university stores your last 22 passwords
and you have to change it every half a year
dapper nacelle
interesting
limber knotBOT
as in just slapping them together
cosmic raft
Isee. Idonotunderstandwhythatisreally
wide chasm
Imo it's better than separating them.
dapper nacelle
it isn't
cosmic raft
my favourite though
merry talon
my workplace handles that the best
limber knotBOT
I hate it lmao
cosmic raft
is I can always tell when a plugin developer on spigotmc is german
<Insert Word Here> System
dapper nacelle
you can't tell which words to slab together and which ones you can't slab together
cosmic raft
Lobby System, Party, System
dapper nacelle
you can overlook a lot of stuff rather quickly
cosmic raft
germans love adding "System"
merry talon
you're encouraged to set awful passwords or else you'll spend 10 minutes typing it in to the gun